pvp-arena

[keen vapor]

There's always free vote where you can type

[tropic summit]

what a chad

[cedar orbit]

put in Helm

[tropic summit]

in Helm?

[eager mountain]

oh u didnt, thought u did and didnt work

[swift mango]

They didn't even ask for which Collab they should do now that they already have schedule for a year.

[tropic summit]

i benched RRH i can stall this stage at least
naga better deliver else awaits

[eager mountain]

[tropic summit]

[eager mountain]

u benched what

u benched cdr in campaign?

[keen vapor]

We did vote for Stellar blade before, what you mean

[eager mountain]

i want oregairu but i dont think it will happen

[swift mango]

It doesn't matter, current survey doesn't have Collab question.

[tropic summit]

yes i did and i don't regret it a single bit, also naga still gets afterall because she died at the end
(but at least got me to boss down to 1%hp)

[keen vapor]

Survey up ?

[cedar orbit]

the easiest stages are the ones where you can run RH as B1

[tropic summit]

cheese strats

[swift mango]

Few day ago.

[tropic summit]

stall, get crown 19 stacks, go into boss, taunt and let alice spam clicks

rince and repeat for more 🧀

[eager mountain]

yeah, those are flexible stages

[keen vapor]

oh right, where I answered that is annoying to have to wait till union members hit the bosses until there's the boss I want to defeat

[eager mountain]

almost spoiled by 3pm lunch as i said so

[tropic summit]

i can see it
wait for me

[swift mango]

You can defeat a boss all by yourself?

[cedar orbit]

everyone should tell the survey to not put a coreless water weak boss into UR

[eager mountain]

as if doing it twice a row wasnt intentional

[keen vapor]

no

[keen vapor]

But we have Helm now

[tropic summit]

4 seconds in, jesus le christ

let me breath once

[swift mango]

I'm fine with coreless boss but not boss that deal barzilion dmg if I don't cover up.

They expect every one doing union raid at lv500 now.

[shell hazel]

[tropic summit]

i feel ya

this is a slaughter over here

[shell hazel]

it's doable for a bit I think but an evil stage could stop me 😄

they get way more evil after chapter 20

[tropic summit]

that's when the intern found out there was no paycheck for the unpaid overtime he already did

[shell hazel]

haha does feel like it

[upper grove]

ch 19-20 were released along with mod banner afaik, you instantly notice the dagger and glasses spam

[umbral crown]

Yes but 361?

[eager mountain]

tho blabla nik stat can be used for pvp inquiry, not ordered in power but u can see all their skill ol etc

[tropic summit]

ok i can go to bed

@fathom rock i'm coming, tomorrow more stages (who's the boss btw?)

[eager mountain]

a random boss

with a shield i think

[swift mango]

Can you not show it?

[tropic summit]

oh no

it's not that rebuilt something

[keen vapor]

Soon

[umbral crown]

2035?

[eager mountain]

hide it in settings

[eager mountain]

sounds like a rebuilt something

[tropic summit]

i'll be 361 before Echo is

[umbral crown]

New chaps so open to 361, wjats stopping you?

[keen vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1026322546934698004.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=whyyysnapped

[umbral crown]

Or even me

[tropic summit]

wait wut.

[umbral crown]

Im 330

Its a sigm

[keen vapor]

The most annoying bosses

[tropic summit]

how many boxes you hiding there

[swift mango]

You aren't clear the boss stage without a pure b1.

[umbral crown]

Imagine a boss stopping you to level up

[swift mango]

Rosy is quite behind in campaign. Like 7 chapters behind...

[umbral crown]

0

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

oooh right i remember now 🤔

[umbral crown]

I open everything as soon as iget it

[keen vapor]

He doesn't invests PvE

[umbral crown]

Just imagine the besto pve

Auto and hope for the best

[raven plover]

same

[keen vapor]

Laplace

[tropic summit]

i used to run rh crown liter naga la+, relatable

[umbral crown]

3 FB and the stage is done

[keen vapor]

You're using Laplace

[tropic summit]

I was using her aswell until Retro corrected me

[swift mango]

You aren't running Laplace?

[keen vapor]

No

[umbral crown]

Echo problaby does not habe the treasure for the hero

[tropic summit]

sinner

[keen vapor]

[swift mango]

Your lost

[tropic summit]

time for

[keen vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1026322546934698004.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=whyyysnapped

[shell hazel]

[swift mango]

I OLed grave just to bench her because low CP and bad OL rolls. Should have keep her at 0 ol....

XMaiden also only use for PvE now.... Worse than Noir and Drake. Despite rerolled for 3 CS line.

S.Sakura is basically useless after the nerf now.

Many bad decisions...

[eager mountain]

noir drake feed nor like running them in def anyway

[swift mango]

They deal more dmg to p1 then XMaiden. I use none of them in depend though.

100 roll and 200 ticket just to get XMaiden at 0lb...

Should have just skipped her.

[eager mountain]

[swift mango]

Miden indeed

[eager mountain]

she served me well enough, not u

[upper grove]

maiden for behemoth HM

[swift mango]

You need healer for behemoth. And Cindy+Anis is already 2 b3. No slot for Xmaid

[upper grove]

wasn't behemoth like cindy rouge sanis xmaid crown

only snake really needs a healer

[eager mountain]

nor is heal mandatory for behemoth

[swift mango]

Behemoth deal AoE dmg that pierce cover at phase 3. You can (not) evade.

[upper grove]

just tank it, rouge burst at the end of fight has hp up

[swift mango]

If you can tank it then you can just (near) blue it as well.

Even lowest clear for behemoth use healer.

There is basically zero lowest clear without healer.

[eager mountain]

that’s cuz lowest deficit clear is finally when u can’t really tank it

[swift mango]

Like I said before, if you could tank it then you could use anything. Low CP clear need healer.

Xmaid is useless for behemoth.

[eager mountain]

if u think she’s then she’s

[swift mango]

[upper grove]

I had no sanis nor built team for low sync malding regular behemoth and I had to mald with naga yes. but in terms of maximum dps it's still with xmaiden sanis cindy

it's not like you have to be almost blue to clear with that kind of team because it's a lot of dmg

[swift mango]

To use XMaiden there you will need Blanc instead of Crown. That's a huge reduction.

[upper grove]

okay I'll stop here

[swift mango]

That's assuming you have XMaiden built more than someone like HelmT in the first place.

My Xmaid is like 40k CP below my HelmT

[nocturne arrow]

I can easily defeat him, but he can also defeat me. Why is that?
Did he forget to change his defense position, or is there something I don’t know?

[eager mountain]

def is always harder

[nocturne arrow]

i mean if he can defeat me why not change his def position?

[upper grove]

it's rookie

[raven plover]

are you saying hes using his def as atk team, vice versa?

[eager mountain]

if he he’s getting def wins against someone else then might as well not bother it’s rookie atk solutions are more obvious

[near plank]

reorganizing means new bracket right?

[grizzled bone]

the reshuffling is upon us

[calm zealot]

would any good chaps out there be willing to help me form some teams for special arena this fine night

[crystal flicker]

I was thinking about building MOran and Noise only to realized I don't have enough Tetra gear for them

[eager mountain]

partially new

[quick lake]

Reshuffle to the same old ppl

[raven plover]

back to my not chill bracket

[grizzled bone]

just means you're in primary universe

[graceful grotto]

i just want my c1 to get the hell out hahaha

[umbral crown]

si

[fathom rock]

Rebuilt vulcan
Grats

[viral spoke]

that doesn't seem fair.

i got targeted by the whaler and i got brought down from top 10 to far below? in a heartbeat??

this bracket is a joke

SU need to give less point for beating down underlevel players for this

they are literally 100 level gap above me

guess NIKKE PvP is the only rank system was made while drinking alcohols

[crystal flicker]

It's rookie though, doesn't matter

[eager mountain]

rookie arena be like rookie arena

[glacial lion]

Su change sp arena since when? Iirc it was 3 months, now they reshuffle monthly (?)

[raven plover]

isnt it still every 3 months, tho idk when exactly the 3 months shuffle started

[umbral crown]

last one was in december

[raven plover]

its for sure 3 months

sp starts shuffling to 3 months

[glacial lion]

Wth, 3 months already

[keen vapor]

Alice

[strong hull]

Alice

[graceful grotto]

was rookie reshuffle?

oh yeah it was i forget

[swift mango]

+10 whales

[coarse lake]

the emotional part of me wants to be shuffled so that I stay comfy 1st without conflict

the logical part of me wants things to stay the same, so that I can keep testing out all sorts of comps

I'm quite sure that very little change gonna happen, since I already got to this new server group last shuffle, the odds of me getting shuffled out or a whale getting shuffled out should be near 0

[whole pawn]

they open spa? IG not yet

[shell hazel]

at reset 12 hours or so

[swift mango]

You will be 6 new whale shuffle in. Then you could do all the tests.

The damn mother whale is so laggy on my phone it's worse than 30fps arena.

Forgot about the lag I tried... Nah I'm not beating this shit with 20fps. Will just wait to blue.

[onyx scaffold]

reroll

[onyx scaffold]

sir. i have been suffering this challenge 7 for 3 months

[harsh verge]

It doesn’t make sense that I can’t win

[coarse lake]

Why are you trying to mirror match

Bruh every other time I've checked this channel in the past few days, it's someone running scarlet into scarlet

[whole pawn]

maybe they are out of choices

[umbral belfry]

Got that, 'well, if i can't beat em-' mind set

[swift mango]

Just run 2rl Scarlet and they win

Closest I got to beat it. Should be a clink at 361.

I'm still having a fever so not malding anymore.

[valid fern]

they gap you in raw stats. And while you do gap them in CP, its not enough for advantage to kick in.

[eager mountain]

wont be a stat gap if its noise b1 vs jackel b1
noise not linked and/or wrong indom

[spiral onyx]

This is the whole reason I made the "Countering the Meta" video in the first place. Initially too many people were just running the exact same team or similar variants and saying "why aren't I winning? I have slightly higher CP"

PvP in every game is always about rock paper scissors, not who has a bigger rock

[raven plover]

"it doesnt make sense"

[spiral onyx]

It's also the same reason I haven't made an updated version of the video with newer units. Even though the meta units have changed, they still do the same thing as the old units. Just different colored rocks or shinier scissors

[eager mountain]

I think blue colored rocks are better cuz that’s 🐳 color

[spiral onyx]

Ein is probably the only "new" type of unit to use cause she's both a rock and a scissor, but few people use her and she's not crazily strong enough nor does she even have a specific hard counter

[worthy knoll]

I think I saw an Ein vid whose feathers just stuck on hitting a non taunter all through out

[spiral onyx]

Actually, I don't even think Ein falls in that category of double. She would if she has SAnis level base stats

[worthy knoll]

Oh wait, it was on an inactive unit #pvp-arena message

[spiral onyx]

Rock = bruiser
Paper = assassin
Scissor = AoE cleave
Rock < Paper < Scissor < Rock
Bruiser < Assassin < Cleave < Bruiser

Right now we only have Scissors (Cleave) and one Rock (Bruiser), aka SAnis. But SAnis has one glaring weak point which is Jackal-Scarlet so no Paper (Assassin) is needed just yet. And at the moment it's possible to just super buff up Cleave enough to win

[eager mountain]

@spiral onyx do u have any idea of frame breakpoint in pvp?
Like does 3% or 3.33% or 4% cs gives u initial frame advantage for the rl using

[spiral onyx]

Ein is both cleave (AoE nuke) and damage over time (bruiser) but lacks the survivability that is needed to be considered a bruiser, so she's still mainly just a cleaver

[spiral onyx]

No, but you can calculate it. Arena runs at 30fps

Charge time are like 1s/1.1s/1.2s I think depending on the unit?

Things also round down not up afaik

[hollow anchor]

I don’t want to waste my 5 battles so I ask first, i tend to loose against this guy, so who do I use to hopefully WIN?

[spiral onyx]

As in you won't get one frame earlier unless you're the full frame worth

[eager mountain]

🤔 there was cs line speed formula of summing identical lines and then rounding all to add up instead of rounding everything or adding everything first
And yet considering 30fps it would be 3.33% per frame
If cs is frame based then I donno if that rounds up or down or simply never rounds

[spiral onyx]

Same with burst gen. 99.999% rounds down, not up

[eager mountain]

🤔 if it rounds down the cs frame frame point would be like 4% 7% 10% I suppose

[spiral onyx]

I think it's add together first but don't quote me on this. I remember the test was done in shooting range using Alice Maxwell etc. I'd assume PvP calculates similarly

Cause I remember the goal was for figuring out how to squeeze out more damage from Scalter by trying to speed her up as much as possible

[eager mountain]

The cs formula they were talking about

[spiral onyx]

Mmm, that looks like a different test than the one I was thinking of

[eager mountain]

A bit counterintuitive, and donno which Chinese tested that graph

[spiral onyx]

I think the test I'm thinking of might have been internal to my guildies who were trying to min max Scalter for UR

[eager mountain]

And there they still using number like 0.15s which is not frame based

[spiral onyx]

I didn't pay too much attention cause I only care about PvP

[eager mountain]

Lol 3 cs sbs minmax

[spiral onyx]

This was some math done during damage loss calculations due to FPS drops

I keep it around cause arena (and co-op) runs in 30fps

[eager mountain]

🤔 its for non charged weapon only? What was the math they did for the sbs minmax

[harsh verge]

🙄 I don't have Noah. My PVP career is a failure.

[spiral onyx]

Oh that's I didn't keep track of. They were trying to figure out what level for Alice's skills and what OL lines to try to aim for

In the end it became irrelevant cause we just all maxed out Alice's skills and now have enough rocks to just keep rerolling OL lines

[hollow anchor]

@tropic summit

[spiral onyx]

Here's some context around how the calculations were done:

Rate of Fire as its listed in game data files:
AR = 720 RoF
SMG = 1440 RoF
MG = 4200 RoF
---
divide the number by 60 (dont ask why) to get the intended shots/seconds
AR = 12
SMG = 24
MG = 70
this is the "target" shots per second, but heres where the fps bug comes in:
---
take your fps and divide it by the target shots per second (example: 60fps):
AR = 60/12 = 5 (1 shot every 5 frames)
SMG = 60/24 = 2.5 (1 shot every 2.5 frames)
MG = 70/60 = 0.857 (1 shot every 0.857 frames)
---
now, round it up to whole frames:
AR = still 5
SMG = 2.5 -> 3
MG -> 0.857 -> 1
---
now convert it back to shots/second if you want:
AR = 60/5 = 12shots/s
SMG = 60/3 = 20shots/s
MG = 60/1 = 60shots/s 
---
AR loses 0% of its intended rate of fire at 60fps (pog)
SMG loses 16.66% of its intended rate of fire at 60fps
MG loses 14.3% of its inteded rate of fire at 60fps 
----------------------------
now lets do the same example with 30fps:
AR = 30/12 = 2.5
SMG = 30/24 = 1.25
MG = 30/70 = 0.428
---
now, round it up to whole frames:
AR = 3 frames/shot
SMG = 2.5 -> 2 frames/shot
MG -> 0.857 -> 1 frames/shot
---
shots/s:
AR = 30/3 = 10shots/s
SMG = 30/2 = 15shots/s
MG = 30/1 = 30shots/s
---
AR loses 16.6% of its intended rate of fire at 30fps
SMG loses 37.5% of its intended rate of fire at 30fps
MG loses 57% of its intended rate of fire at 30fps

[eager mountain]

oh woah, that should explain stuffs

And possibly even bs like inconsistent delays

[spiral onyx]

I would assume charge speed multiplies onto the "rate of fire" stat, which is frame based, not time based

That stat is not publicly shown, we don't talk about that here

But most RLs are standardized so you can backwards calculate and guess

[eager mountain]

Yeah just gonna test it on centi jackel etc first before going to Noah rapun laplace

[spiral onyx]

Units like Emilia and Scalter and I guess Cindy even are weird exceptions

[eager mountain]

Xmaiden emi have the same looking rl bullet but they feel diff when I manual them, could be just sound effects diff

[spiral onyx]

Overall though we do need a frame based burst gen calculator

We have all the numbers, it's possible to calculate the exact frame at which you burst

Just need to set up a very complicated spreadsheet with lots of lookup tables and formulas

Then we can finally ditch this imaginary X-RL system that we originally borrowed from CN theorycrafting for convenience

[eager mountain]

Yeah a ton of work that’s why the current gen speed sheet guy intended that but eventually delaying the plan, think that’s what he said

[spiral onyx]

There's also all sorts of exceptions too to consider. Some units got their skills fixed to apply no animation delay in PvP (e.g. XAnne) but some still have a delay (e.g. Noah)

Multi hit units like Maiden, Cindy, Ein, etc also have delays on when their damage lands

[eager mountain]

[spiral onyx]

Rockets have travel time as well (which resulted in the whiffing issues) and we don't have the distance numbers for arena (that lives server sided) so we also can't 100% accurately calculate things

But we can still do a better theoretical estimate than "slightly faster than 3RL but slower than 2.5RL"

[eager mountain]

Travel time part would be mostly based on clipping frames from diff spots to take a good guess ig

Regular rl P1 hitting another P1 is like 0.18s

[quick lake]

@eager mountain
#1189528036165550252 message
Previously some charge speed work done on SBS Alice last time

[spiral onyx]

"Why did my 3RL team's Noah fail to block their 2.5RL team's Scarlet?"
Well son, that's because you both aren't actually X-RL. "X-RL" is just a simplified bucket we use for ease of reference. His team is probably "2.2RL" or something like that and your Noah's shield doesn't actually take effect at "2RL" time but maybe at "2.3RL". If we used exact frame count values instead, you'd be able to figure out the exact timings and differences.

[eager mountain]

the whole 17% cs idea of having 0.5s (which they refer as rl, its not) advantage over opponent thing triggered the thinking of frames

thats like assuming opponnet have 0 cs, and cs rounds above decimal

[spiral onyx]

Yeah. Assuming they are doing proper PvP investment, that's 3 OL lines x 4 pieces x 5 units, so 60 OL lines

Of course not all units are RLs and the RL may not necessarily be the bottleneck (could be a SG)

But that's still 60 lines that could randomly have a charge speed line on and potentially affect the final frame of burst

[eager mountain]

sp is more and more filled with rl with more options to get rid of SGs so ignoring SG based gen speed more and more

tho inevitably plugging them back for CA

[spiral onyx]

In the end, it's just all math. Math that may not always matter cause, again, rock paper scissors is more important than min maxing rocks against other rocks

[eager mountain]

meanwhile pve pvp hybrid like me still busy minmaxing rapi

can never get proper cs on all RLs at the rate

[spiral onyx]

I double checked my latest CA team comps and it looks like I'm still using 3SGs. Two (SAnis + Drake) likely won't ever be replaced though

Could have swapped Drake with XMaiden though

[eager mountain]

treasure Drake? havent seen any using her yet

most too busying s3ing helm whos obviously broken

and well... consider possible burst helm stall options

[spiral onyx]

Not treasure Drake

[eager mountain]

curr conclusion is no matter sync non-noah stall still suffer against (buffed) cindy one tap issue, higher sync just means more buff needed
didnt really test thru tho

[spiral onyx]

Treasured Drake bricks SAnis

I just never C7d XMaiden so can't use her for PvP for CP reasons

She'd only give a marginal gain over Drake anyway

[eager mountain]

the only c7 xmaiden id ever witness would be from sr ranker lol...

[eager mountain]

so "CS buffs only have 10ms precision" 🤔 hmmmz

well 3am bedtime gonna leave all those perhaps after done with finishing up works left off due to sick

[quick lake]

Wait for CN to come up with frame calc

[eager mountain]

they actually committing it rn?

[quick lake]

Dont know. Not that I know of

[sleek root]

Noise/Noah/Biscuit/Anis/Jackal. Crown literally feeding

[spiral onyx]

They're generally not precise, RLs were just used as reference because they happened at an easy to visualize and count frequency

And arena is mostly RLs so when an RL land is when the burst gen is added

But people forget it's possible to have ARs or SMGs/MGs be the ones who "fill the gap"

Ultimately it boils down to who is the last unit to push the burst gauge over 100% and can we optimize that and make it faster

Imagine it as an assembly line. The speed of the final output is only as fast as the slowest part

Like there's a possible scenario where you have 4 RLs that contribute 95% burst gen and one AR that contribute 5% burst gen

If you have all the RLs charge faster, it's possible to get to a point where it doesn't matter anymore cause that AR isn't shooting any faster

But on the flip side if those 4 RLs contribute 105% burst gen, then the AR doesn't matter

[quick lake]

Hopefully CA makes it more developed

[fathom rock]

Ca next month allegedly

[keen vapor]

I just saw #game-news

Second update

[swift mango]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think anyone in your bracket would compete with you on CP even if you put blue in?

[oak gale]

yep 💀 im playing in windowed for the fps 💀 so deal with it
but what i was asking is if mana's team requires specific characters in pvp

also to hide nikke incase anyone ever comes to my room

[swift mango]

Mana is used similar to Rapunzel, you put her in to protect p1-5 if you know they would be ded.

[pale knoll]

There's sky and another guy his sync

[oak gale]

[swift mango]

All in the same bracket though? I doubt it.

[pale knoll]

Yes

[swift mango]

How much time difference do they group up max level whale? In months? I remember Keripo said he started a little later than most.

[bleak shale]

One-day I'll finish the frame version, surely 2.0

[swift mango]

Or all the whale happened to start around his times?

[bleak shale]

And people will be confused for a different reason

[glad meteor]

I remember you are in keripo bracket?

[swift mango]

He is only 389 synch...

[pale knoll]

I managed other account

I also have a 495 sync acc

[glad meteor]

I was right

[swift mango]

Bruh purposely delay leveling to do low clear is nothing to brag about then.

[glad meteor]

I spent too much time in pvp channels

[pale knoll]

Do you read at all?

[swift mango]

I think he could effort the XMaiden with that CP difference.

[pale knoll]

Didn't even remember you

[swift mango]

I see that your other account is for PvE low clear. With all the rock went to prefect OL line for campaign.

No reason to make it otherwise.

That's not how you preaching to me about balance my gameplay.

[pale knoll]

That's not the case tho

I treat them all equally for both pve and pvp

[swift mango]

Doubt.

Show me your spa team CP.

[pale knoll]

I range between top 3-5 in spa

With the 389 sync

Noahless too

[swift mango]

That's could be just lucky bracket and level difference.

You aren't even r1

Show me your SPA CP.

[pale knoll]

Tell me how to beat a whale with 100+ levels over me

[swift mango]

Then r2

Show me your spa CP

[pale knoll]

1 sec

[pale knoll]

Can only show this since season is restarting

Nice try again tho

[swift mango]

Yeah, this CP is mighty low for your synch level.

[pale knoll]

Month old screenshot

Duh

[swift mango]

Still very low for 371 range. Assuming you level up 18 times a month.

[pale knoll]

Got everyone in pvp OL'd. Not really gonna look for cs lines as of now

Just some skill investments on important units. I told you there has to be a balance

[swift mango]

Yeah, you spent 4 rock per arena nikke. And all the rock to campaign low clear.

[pale knoll]

I'm not gonna fully commit to neither pvp nor pve. If I'm getting. Top3-5 in spa, what point is there to try to get more cs lines or whatever if I'm already getting max rewards

I invest on raid units too

Tell me where to get more rocks

[swift mango]

You are just lucky with a lazy arena bracket I guess.

Everyone there has higher CP than you.

Could easily beating you down.

[pale knoll]

We are all about the same as of now

[swift mango]

[pale knoll]

And they are all active, just mess up and whatnot. I do too

Legit just trying to look for the most miniscule excuses

[quick lake]

What

There’s nothing there

[keen vapor]

THERE'S AN UPDATE AGAIN!

[quick lake]

There was an update, then they took it down?

[shell hazel]

[quick lake]

CA 2035 it is

[swift mango]

March 7th 2037.

[magic marsh]

hi guys, is this girl good for pvp?

damn, tierlist said 9/10, okay @quick lake

[quick lake]

Yeah, she’s barely used in pvp nowadays

[magic marsh]

ahh i see, thanks!

[magic marsh]

can i see ur atk lineup?

[quick lake]

Mostly this for now. Usually customised to opponents

[magic marsh]

what's that s10 character

[quick lake]

Ideally u should always tailor to opponent’s teams

[magic marsh]

damn they're all w/ costume, i don't even know xD

[swift mango]

I have never seen she being used for arena above newbie level tbf

[quick lake]

Its Helm Treasure. Great for pvp

[magic marsh]

OH, okay, i'll try to get em

"you're lineup"

[quick lake]

Generally,
Scarlet Blanc RH flex Jackal
Noah Centi Biscuit Cindy Noise

My units are a little more on the niche side

Focus on Scarlet/Cindy/SBS for nukes and Blanc/RH for buffers

If u’re ~200 sync, u should focus primarily on ur campaign team first! Can worry about pvp later

[magic marsh]

mine is like this, for now at rookie

SP still close, but its kinda look the same..

im really close going to challenger, SP already closed lmao!

[swift mango]

I haven't seen rail cooking today.

Our chef is going on a vacation.

[shell hazel]

sp-arena break means day off

[lusty gull]

[swift mango]

There should be something like this in ping somewhere. Thanks for showing.

[shell hazel]

[harsh verge]

https://tenor.com/view/syuen-nikke-mad-scared-angry-gif-15019597870922751405

[tropic summit]

just working hours, 8:30 - 18:00

smartwork does help messing around but when i'm at the office i'm kinda cut off

although nikke being PG13 should be perfectly SFW

[shell hazel]

oh yeah 100% safe

[modest summit]

Ive gotten some new nikkes I didn’t have before like Crown, Biscuit and Noise, any good teams I could craft for the new season @tropic summit sensei?

[shell hazel]

crown feeds

can only use crown on attack if you don't need to worry about feed

[tropic summit]

you're dealing with an unbuffed scarlet 2RL, any 2RL noah variation (ensure noah survives 2RL, either add biscuit or throw a revive in there like rapu)

[tropic summit]

post your current 3 teams and we can see if they fit anywhere

[tropic summit]

is it the one that raises a shield or is it the one you need to avoid breaking parts because it goes steroids?

[fathom rock]

Shield

And shoots an ungodly amount of missiles

[tropic summit]

send video need cheese strats

[fathom rock]

Rng and cover everyone when it shoot gun till full squad alive
Time iframe for missiles
Thats literally the entire fight

[modest summit]

1. noah-centi-cinderella-laplace (no treasure)-liter
2. sbs-blanc-alice-maiden-jackal
3. campaign team

[tropic summit]

oh i see it hasn't changed then

lots of yolo and pray for RNG

[swift mango]

I'm bad at the iframe stuff.

[fathom rock]

Not bad enough to screw this up

[swift mango]

Iframe is like random event to me.

[tropic summit]

ok won't need crown or noise yet, can although use biscuit instead if subbing laplace doesn't tank CP

[valid fern]

The iframe for that boss is either really tight or really random. I could never get it consisten. I jsut malded until a lucky run

[modest summit]

I see alright, thank you sensei. I imagine I need Rumani or Rapunzel to make a solid team 3?

[swift mango]

Anyway, I need 8 more level.

[shell hazel]

[tropic summit]

yeah could use a tad more batteries, CP padded team is still a form of defense so don't worry about being in a haste

[swift mango]

We will get there one day.

[modest summit]

thank you for the explanation 🙏

[pale knoll]

Do you have p3 helm?

[tropic summit]

what do you mean? phase 3? yeah i do, but burst is lvl 5

i'm using her as battery only

[pale knoll]

Haven't tried her to snipe jackal link yet?

[tropic summit]

someone did, it's essentially an improved version of xmaiden on burst lvl 10

just single target instead of p1 and p2

edit: thanks @coarse lake for confirming, only hits p1 my bad

it will kill linked nikke

[pale knoll]

Lvl 7 enough?

[tropic summit]

no idea

[pale knoll]

Alr ty

[icy glen]

i need pvp team guys

[keen vapor]

Maiden affected both?

[tropic summit]

iirc she hits 2 spots

[tropic summit]

throw jackal, blanc, noise, anis in synchro then try again, atm just go auto team or this

[icy glen]

okay

[grand plaza]

How does biscuits invincibility works in pvp? Does it really activate twice?

[eager mountain]

who @'d me and then deleted msg

[coarse lake]

? pretty sure maiden only hits 1

[tropic summit]

pretty sure or sure?

#pvp-arena message

iirc Merry was mentioned hitting p1 and p2 but then again I could be remembering wrong

maybe it was just linked p1 and p2 though and it's really just p1

[coarse lake]

? I didn't see maiden bursting

[tropic summit]

that was the part when we were discussing xmaiden i'm trying to find the vid

[tropic summit]

example of noah triggering biscuit s2 twice

(0:00:05)
(0:00:14)

if timed well you can do 5s invulnerable then 3s noah invulnerable followed by 5s invulnerable, a total of 13s invulnerability

[grand plaza]

Do you need rapunzel (or another review) for this?

[tropic summit]

you need to trigger the condition to proc

can be any healer or any reasons that the unit falls below 50% hp

[modest summit]

Question, I don’t have maiden ice rose, just regular maiden. Is that the same ?

[tropic summit]

completely different kit, although both are clip SG burst gen tier

xmaiden doesn't feed, maiden does

[modest summit]

Would I change maiden then for anything else ?

[tropic summit]

emilia, laplace+, helmT else nah

[grand plaza]

Just realized it is max hp, not heal.

So as long as you have a healer as well you can get back to back 5 sec invincibility for an unit right?

[tropic summit]

the unit gets healed by 18.46% (in this case due to skill lvl 6) caster's final max HP, so you don't necessarely need a healer, just need to meet the condition

[grand plaza]

[tropic summit]

@umbral crown so this is also your new name on Nikke?

[eager mountain]

no more anchor

[keen vapor]

Where's Rosy

[tropic summit]

Indeed

[knotty fern]

watch this 6th place to diamond 1 haha

every reset get worst

[umbral belfry]

praying i truly did get isekai'd

[tropic summit]

1 minute to find out

[umbral belfry]

IM FREE

it's just the whale that can't break my def (yet) but the rizzler is gone

but also

https://tenor.com/view/wh-gif-4365587

[tropic summit]

hmm bracket got merged with my former whale and now there's 2 of them, gonna be interesting watching them fight each others

[solemn matrix]

Garbage as always.

[umbral belfry]

[glad meteor]

My alt bracket has retro

[eager mountain]

[keen vapor]

Oh no, watch out

[tropic summit]

oh actually even 3 whales in fact

so many possibilities

[umbral belfry]

in the meantime, time to sit back and wait for rei 2.0 testing

[tropic summit]

gonna be ch4-ch6 range for this 3 months i guess

[umbral belfry]

lock in

[solemn matrix]

Stuck 4 whales in one bracket lmao

[tropic summit]

also my theory of scoring ch1 didn't work exactly, seems to be merging on some sort of other criteria

ch1 of my bracket = ch2 in this bracket (me)
ch2 of my bracket = ch3 in this bracket
ch3 of my bracket = ch4 in this bracket

🤔

there's just no escape uh

[whole pawn]

nothing changed ?

even before reshuffle, I found myself on diam maybe I will find myself at dia 1 anyway

[unkempt kestrel]

My bracket didn’t really change…

[keen vapor]

Welcome to my world

[lone sequoia]

rem v2

don't pull

[unkempt kestrel]

Still got that whale

[keen vapor]

Noir v2

[lone sequoia]

scam banner

[whole pawn]

mmmm so no change in term of opponents

[lone sequoia]

also i got 3 new whales and some tryhards is my sp bracket

[whole pawn]

it was a lie

[tropic summit]

3 new whales? jesus christ

[unique mountain]

They didn't remove anyone
They brought in vadhris banshee and pablozh , i define this as hell , i will come out of this season as a different man

[solemn matrix]

At least today my rolls went nicely. minimum 10-20 rolls for each of the banners.

[oblique magnet]

wooo, praise the reshuffle. lost 2 whales, which means rank 3 is up for grabs, lol

[lone sequoia]

my bracket was full of core max units already

[tropic summit]

what server was it again?

SEA OR NA?

[lone sequoia]

NA, sub sever range 390~420

[tropic summit]

oof

[cedar orbit]

I got into a new group, I was in the same group with 2 whales after the 1st shuffle (they were like 40 lvls up), it seems that they didn't push hard campaign and we are at the same lvl now, but additionally got a dude who is 60 lvls up above everyone and another dude who is 20 lvls above me despite being on the same hard chapter

[tropic summit]

well... when's CA already...

[gaunt cypress]

are you record in nokia 3310

[unique mountain]

The inbuilt recorder is ass

[cedar orbit]

look at these teams

[gaunt cypress]

weird ass deff team

[cedar orbit]

since he is 60 lvls up, I guess his def just never mattered to him

[strange rain]

ez wins

[eager mountain]

back to the old group with same old bastards

[gaunt cypress]

yeah my bracket filled with lot of malder now

[onyx scaffold]

@swift mango are you free to cook 3 def teams for me

[cedar orbit]

bro has every char maxed, sitting at lvl 460, didn't even clear normal campaign, actually a collector

[oblique magnet]

for my bracket, they did good. everyone from rank 3 to diamond 1 is in a pretty narrow CP range

(rank 1 and 2 are whales and their CP is in outerspace)

[pale knoll]

My ass got a new whale

[cedar orbit]

my rank 5 is a dumb refreshing whale and I'm sitting at 2nd, it's unfair

[coarse lake]

my bracket lost a small whale, that's about it

[cedar orbit]

I wanna exit my bracket

[gaunt cypress]

since when nikke pvp is fair

lvl gap , cp gap = ez win

[tropic summit]

in 3 months you could

[bleak latch]

got transferred to new bracket

RIP my laziness

[tropic summit]

who's that with 2kk more than everyone else

[swift mango]

Could post your box so Rail could cook for you real quick.

I'm not too good right now.

[bleak latch]

mega leviathan

[cedar orbit]

that's not 200k, that's 2 mil

[tropic summit]

synch lvl 701 what in the world

you gonna need an exorcist to deal with that

[gaunt cypress]

6M

[onyx scaffold]

ok. i trust @tropic summit too. so could u help me..

[bleak latch]

nah im not i'll find my sweet spot and camping there

don't want to boiled my blood pressure

[tropic summit]

[onyx scaffold]

i have to kill my ele. so not for now

[tropic summit]

helmT s1 is lvl 10 rite?

[cedar orbit]

can't believe Shiftup just wants to take 300 gems/2 weeks out of my pocket

[onyx scaffold]

I need 10% ele

[onyx scaffold]

10/10/9 now

[tropic summit]

probably last questions:

-any of these have 17% charge speed?

centi, noah, jackal, rumani, anis

-emilia has 21%CS?

[cedar orbit]

17% CS is not real

[onyx scaffold]

for emilia. she has 11% cs from gears
s1 lv7 => 11.65%
centi 10%
noah 10%
jackal 5%
anis cannot be used cuz cp nerf will guarantee a rip

[tropic summit]

alright then standard teams it is

no rosanna either as she seems pretty low on investiment

[onyx scaffold]

rosanna 477 0 atk

[whole pawn]

@tropic summit same ppl, with 2 Chinese whales

[vapid lake]

well my bracket didnt change much except +1 whale

im pretty sure all the reshuffle accomplishes is jsut adding more whales into everyone's brackets

[tropic summit]

it sure did this time

ch1 ch2 and ch3 will be out CPing

pointless even thinking of defending against those

can still attack at least

[cedar orbit]

wonder if I can win vs the dude with 60 lvls up

[lone sequoia]

the main problem is the cp

[cedar orbit]

you just have to believe big enough

[eager mountain]

2 cp gap, 1 mf who would burn thousands of gems to stick in c3

[lone sequoia]

you can beat people many sync tier above but you can't do anything if the debuff from cp is too high

[tropic summit]

go for either these specific teams based on your investiment (var 1 3rd team is your highest CP auto)

else build toward these (you'll need to invest in rumani, laplace+, rosanna): #pvp-arena message

note: the anis is actually s.anis, silly copypaste

[rapid escarp]

how does tempering cube with jackal link? does everyone get reduced damage, and can it stack if multiple chars use it?

[tropic summit]

the one hit will calculate the dmg received then share it

[lone sequoia]

only affect the main target

[rapid escarp]

thanks

[onyx scaffold]

wow emilia is benched

[tropic summit]

can place her instead of xmaiden but at your sync it's free meat for rosanna

[cedar orbit]

2 teams look easily beatable, I'm just in a 30% deficit

[onyx scaffold]

so it is ok if enemies dont have rosanna? i will stalk

[tropic summit]

yeah worth a shot, try to build toward the teams i've linked and not just the ones in the table

adding rosanna and rumani especially will increase your flexibility

rosanna doubles down also as huge threat for helmT

[onyx scaffold]

is it possible to remove anis on team 3?

[tropic summit]

yes that's s.anis

just copy paste went anis instead

[umbral belfry]

someone running p1 cindy in rookie

[onyx scaffold]

thanks

[tropic summit]

it's time to unleash your first 1RL team?

[umbral belfry]

Nah I'm not that quick yet LMAO

[tropic summit]

[umbral belfry]

I just blinked and death happee din that vid

[onyx scaffold]

how do u beat this one without scarlet jackal?

[wise horizon]

Looks good? @tropic summit

[swift mango]

Rei.A is playing hard to get. 50 pull and doesn't show up... I got the messenger so I should just stop...

[umbral belfry]

holy just wanted to cp pad

almost nearing that

[swift mango]

My Blanc has t11 ATK, ELE and Crit on her first OL. Hit happens.

[umbral belfry]

Truly blessed by luck

[swift mango]

I finally figured what happened when last season ended... At least force the dude to finally use his compensation coin.

My new bracket is with the small spender (buy skins and 10 level higher than me) I was with in Rookie last season. The bigger whale and half of my bracket moved out another newer half bracket move in though. Not that much changed.

At least I could attack everyone in my bracket now lol

[tropic summit]

that's actually a very slow team, only need to survive on p5 due to shotgun pressure

(your teams are on the left)

beware that if opponent is running sacc, they'll purposedly let p1 die

in that case play defensive with

(rosanna will sacc but hit p1 or p2 due to absence of attackers, biscuit will activate s2 on both)

[swift mango]

I need your luck if I want to MLB my rei A....

In the 250 pulls I have left.

[umbral belfry]

May you be blessed

[tropic summit]

hmm looks like you dealing with this

[lone sequoia]

+250 no rei

[lunar pawn]

used my selector, am I finally gonna be a pvp gamer?

[swift mango]

Really? You should have stopped at 50 like me.

This game likely have bad luck seed.

[tropic summit]

T1 is fine, T2 gonna depend on s.anis but should outdps

[tropic summit]

automatic pvp main

[swift mango]

Other gacha doesn't have much of this but I feel Nikke has it. If you are unlucky, you would see the sign in 30 pulls.

[lunar pawn]

only problem is I'm at 0 rocks

[swift mango]

From the experience of being ruined luck for months in this game.

[severe nimbus]

is 7/4/4 okay for t.helm in terms of pvp for the burst gen?

[swift mango]

Just farm

[lunar pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-computer-notebook-explaning-gif-21152267

[swift mango]

If they CP pad with full OL and leveled doll then you would have no change. Speaking from experience here.

If they tried to be smart and use their uninvested Noah+Jackal in 2 team then you would have a chance.

The whale 40 level higher had the audacity to CP pad me in rookie... It worked for one day at least.

If he wanted to CP pad at least open his wallet to buy 20 levels first.

[glacial palm]

[eager mountain]

[tropic summit]

[vapid lake]

[glacial palm]

https://tenor.com/view/luna-terra-ust-message-money-gif-23530621

[pale knoll]

[tardy canopy]

It's not about money.
It's DORO it's always DORO

[keen vapor]

[tropic summit]

[solemn matrix]

Already getting probed for my safety spot.

[keen wolf]

It's been quite a while since I've updated my Special Arena teams, and given that we've got new matchups it seems like a good time. Was hoping someone could recommend some solid options. This should be all of my relevant roster. Thanks in advance!

[tropic summit]

taking a look

-helm treasured? stage 2 skill 1 lvl 10?
-laplace treasured?
-emilia CS%?

[keen wolf]

Yes
Yes
Looks like 0%, lol. I could do some rolls if she'd be a key include

[tropic summit]

emilia on 21% CS allows the chance to hit better burst gen thresholds, although not mandatory

that's fine thanks for answering will work with that info

[tropic summit]

scarlet blanc rh anis jackal
centi cind helmT noir noise
noah biscuit rapu sbs laplace

cubes

quantum on jackal, anis, centi
vigor on biscuit, rapu, noise, blanc
temperance on noah
any other nikke run highest lvl cubes available

notes:

-build rumani to replace anis (better CP)
-build blanc asap, looks fairly low investiment (SR5 doll, 4/4/4, 4 OL lvl0 minimun)
-once rumani is ready, change T2 into noise centi cind helmT rumani (adds backup B1 and makes your B2 a bit more protected, moves cindy in p3 to avoid feeding enemy extra 1.25x burst gen)
-emilia: consider investing, can allow a variation on indom T1 (emilia blanc rh flex jackal), also an extra battery for other variations if needed

[keen wolf]

Awesome, thanks! Wasn't aware of Rumani being an Anis replacement, I'll build her up. Blanc is invested but missing any collection item so I'll get that on her.

[strange linden]

did we change the bracket again?

[tropic summit]

yes, every 3 months

it just happened with this reset

[strange linden]

man this bracket has 6 opponent with 40lvl above mine this time, I'm so done

actually even more below top 10 💀

[pale knoll]

[tropic summit]

aim for 2.1k-2.4k gem, it's generally realistic enough

[strange linden]

that mean staying at top 10, I'm really not sure this time

[raven plover]

my bracket only get 1 new people on top 10

[polar bolt]

Mine too actually

[valid fern]

In my bracket, I am the 🐳

But im not C1. C1 is a guy who gems and I make him waste a minimum of 700 gems per season.

Waiting until CA finish before unveiling a real defense team.

[pastel owl]

its jover the active guys are back, all in the same bracket

[lone sequoia]

people spend gems to keep C1~D3

[quasi prism]

@terse abyss

https://i.gyazo.com/8af0a3d57818256c7822500ae6a6b540.jpg

Good to see you again

[vapid burrow]

i recently invested into rumani and was wondering how or if should be including her in a special arena team?

[tropic summit]

post current 3 teams let's see if she can fit somewhere

[vapid burrow]

ive been switching between a few set ups but these are two:

[tropic summit]

T1: ok stall team
T2: too much feed
T3: exposed blanc in p1 together with a SG it's begging to get scarletted, also doesn't help running water code B3 in there

i'd say review t2 and t3, remove shotguns as much as possible

[terse abyss]

familiar faces here

[quasi prism]

yup yup, at least the guy with lvl 331 units is gone

🤣

[vapid burrow]

oh are shotguns now just not so great?

[terse abyss]

wow i have not seen a lv331 guy

[tropic summit]

they feed jackal and scarlet on enemy side

essentially turns your team in a free win

then they just need to use a quick noah on the other

= impossible to defend

[vapid burrow]

makes sense, thank you. is there anyone in particular rumani should go with ?

[tropic summit]

turn your T2 in a feedless indom and T3 in a better protected blanc

something like:

now as long as emi doesn't have more atk% than scarlet, you can make a better and safer T3:

T3 gains a backup B1, while remaining very fast (2RL)
T2 gains more splash (pressure) remaining same speed (2.5RL with feed or better)

a longer term investiment would be for you to obtain rosanna (7/10/10, SR15, 30-40%atk, some crit%)

turns T2 in a very high pressure fast team

will force opponent to commit a lot of resources or skip it entirely

[vapid burrow]

thank you makes sense. i really appreciate the explanation on it. ill start investing into rosanna, idk why but at some point i told myself she wasn't going to be helpful so i feel a bit dumb now 😅

[tropic summit]

she's very expensive, although she's one of the few of her own role

1- sacc plays
2- very high pressure and forces specific teams
3- lethal to water codes (emi and helmT)

on a very invested rosanna, she can be lethal even to non-water code

[vapid burrow]

im always down for heavily investing into pvp nikkes. oh on that note, should i also be investing more into helm ?

[tropic summit]

helmT stage 2 10/x/x is all you need

as her main role as battery is fulfilled then

[vapid burrow]

ok cool thank you again for all the help

[dim sapphire]

hows rei T on pvp?

[vapid lake]

Good question i want to know that myself too waiting for the folks to test and math

[glad meteor]

Looks like stronk nuke

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

I got Rosanna MLB so I can build her for pvp and have an invincible team

[glad meteor]

I think without counter being a factor, she’s a stronger nuke than scarlet

[vapid lake]

Yea but i just needa know if this applies to herself before the nuke hits

I'm too dum to math to find out if it does

[vapid lake]

If it does then this unit can literally be 1/1/10 for pvp

[glad meteor]

1 attack OL

Jackal + elegg burst

[sleek root]

It does

[vapid lake]

The hit is near instantenous too, literally 0 delay

So its just drunklet without the counter

[glad meteor]

And doesn’t need stacks

[sleek root]

True, Drunk Scarlet counter still a menace though in pvp

[sage burrow]

my peace and quiet
i have to fight again

[shell hazel]

almost 2 months oof

[oblique magnet]

whales be whalin - he might be upset that he's not rank 1 anymore (after the shuffle, the biggest whale is 80k CP higher, whereas preshuffle, he was 200k-500k higher than everyone else)

wish i had his bank account, lol

[eager mountain]

love the old group that doesnt even bother with normal campaign but only malding pvp

much like that mf in the ranking group where he only does pilgrim tower for the ranking eventho he couldve has better chance to kick my a*s in manufacturer ranking by doing other towers

omega stupid a*s losers in jp server

[heady trout]

So i kinda need help building good team for arena so can u guys help?

[tropic summit]

taking a look

[tropic summit]

ok for starters throw in sync noah, xmaiden, pepper and anis

[oblique magnet]

oof, you got a while to go, but you have good bones for pvp teams

problem is that since you're so early in the game, it's questionable whether or not you should be diverting your very limited resources to pvp units, as opposed to focusing on pushing campaign as far and fast as possible

[tropic summit]

SP Arena:

bsoda noah scarlet anis liter (until anis is in synch run auto)
naga grave cind xmaiden pepper (until pepper is in synch run auto)
auto

rookie:

scarlet noah liter anis xmaiden

[shell hazel]

Railtracer sir how is your new bracket looking?

[tropic summit]

we going for ch4-ch6 for 3 months

[shell hazel]

whales entered the chat?

[tropic summit]

top 3 whales of all my brackets merged into mine

if anything it's gonna be interesting since they'll be fighting each others for ch1

out of the 3 whales i can only reach 1 barely with CP

[tropic summit]

easy 3 months ahead of you

[shell hazel]

mine so far looks OK - top 3 is old top 3 - guys below aren't massively cp heavy

except one dude got a ripped campaign team 😄

[heady trout]

Ah I see

I will try focus on it

[tropic summit]

all 3 of these are between 45 to 55 levels ahead

[shell hazel]

the guy in 8th got this squad

my top squad is about 330K 😄

[tropic summit]

eh you're fine

that's nothing

[shell hazel]

this guy attacked me, not noteworthy in itself but I saw my first Helm in the wild on their squad. I ran my biscuit/noah comp on it easy win! This was just rookie arena mess about 🙂

[oblique magnet]

follow railtracer's advice with regards to the team; sync them at the very least. use your 2 attempts daily, and just climb as high as you can without investing much. in an ideal world, you invest in units that are good at both PvP and campaign (red hood, black scarlet, and scarlet are big ones). with rookie, use your 5 attempts to get yourself familiar with PvP in general - there are no stakes in rookie, win or lose, lol

[shell hazel]

guessing you can hit 3rd one due to cp

[oblique magnet]

at the end of the day, campaign progress is probably the most important, since this game gives resources relative to how far you've progressed. the further you are relative to other players, the faster you'll grow

[shell hazel]

if you can push campaign more you will get an advantage in pvp as well, just by power

doesn't mean instant win or anything but if you're 10-20 levels higher it's an advantage

[lunar pawn]

I need a cook

also, what's the latest arena calc tool?

this channel is kinda abandoned, y'all need to ask a mod to re pin the new tools

[shell hazel]

I agree with the advice if you can push campaign core units that you can use in both pve and pvp then it's a double winner

[raven plover]

the doc is auto update tho, so theres no new tools really

[tropic summit]

wow no chill

someone tilting hard

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/sniper-pubg-loading-sniper-reload-gif-15505006

[tropic summit]

if one could read

#pvp-arena message

or

https://nikke-deck.web.app/

[formal cradle]

could anyone help me with my best sp defense teams? i just got drake lvl 3 favorite item and pulled new rei if thats relevant
these are all my nikkes info https://www.blablalink.com/shiftyspad/nikke-list?uid=MjkwODAtNDYwNDMzODYyODI0MjE0ODk5Ng%3D%3D

[lunar pawn]

if one could read

[tropic summit]

the files themselves are updated

[eager mountain]

who’s typing an essay

[tropic summit]

been a while like that

[lunar pawn]

[shell hazel]

[lunar pawn]

ok thoughts?

[rustic sandal]

Man... It's getting harder to hold top 10 without the arena girls. I'm slowly slipping out cause of people having Emilia, Rumani, Bay

Hadn't raised my Bay or Rumani yet. But no Emilia, Couldnt get her in time even after saving up gems for hard pity at the time

[keen vapor]

Railtracer symptoms

[dreamy zenith]

Bruh how does SP arena re-grouping work? last time they did that most of the ladder got shaken by a group of 7 players that came out of the blue and on average had 100k to 150k power advantage over last challengers, some of us managed to barely navigate this, by learning specific formations [this took weeks to figure out for me, studying and learning what works better by try and error] to climb back to the lower challenger brackets at the very least.

Which takes me to my main issue, today they dropped 3 mofos who have 300k power advantage and one that is straight up 1kk power.

I get that there always will be players stronger than you and all of that, but this is just ridiculous and discouraging, after overcoming last player shuffle and adapting, the totempole just went up, I started playing this game since the first EVA collab so there are things that are still new to me, this being one of those, so can someone, please, explain how this matchmaking/shuffle thing works so I decide wether or not this is even worth keeping up with

sorry for the rant and the text-wall

[keen vapor]

It adds active people (whales)
It gets out people who quit

Other than that we don't know

[rustic sandal]

Yes... You don't have to take arena seriously it's a side grade to getting more element books or gems

[dreamy zenith]

so is basically a wallet fight, great, just great

[rustic sandal]

It's always had been when gacha is involved. He who spends more usually wins

[dreamy zenith]

Well I was invested because it was in my possibilities and knowledge to counter commanders who had 100-200 power advantage over me, but after today I'm just gonna give up on arena

[dreamy zenith]

Do you know by chance where are the commander send after they quit?

[rustic sandal]

Understandable... But don't forget to collect the resource still

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

wut, what do you mean?

[tropic summit]

cute

[keen vapor]

Other bracket we can guess

[eager mountain]

no more anchor

[tropic summit]

he's done writing essay @eager mountain

[eager mountain]

yeah saw that

Hate the old group I’m back to

[keen vapor]

IM DIAMOND 1 IM DONE FOR

[umbral crown]

You already have her

[tropic summit]

i'll keep it short:

-PvP is not f2p or even low spender friendly, it's toxic, it motivates you to spend more than others to get advantage enough to be able to pad them out, because meta teams are unable to win against equally skilled/invested opponent, as 2 teams out of 3 will inevitably get countered easily

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

the whole point is to understand that and just do what you're able to do

can aim for ch4-ch6? gud enough.
can aim for more? do it
can't? settle for what you can

[oblique magnet]

does it really kick out people who are inactive? i thought it was a server thing - and they just cluster servers with similar starting times together

[tropic summit]

i just aced my ch3 and he can't win after 5 attempts

i got a tiny bit wet

[keen vapor]

ASDF IS BACK

[keen vapor]

To other brackets, yes

[tropic summit]

2k gems is still 2k gems

[oblique magnet]

so people on the same server can be in different pvp groups?

[lunar pawn]

how the heck did rh steal indom

[tropic summit]

either emi died before you hit indom or emi and jackal have higher max HP than RH

[dreamy zenith]

because she's epic

[rigid inlet]

Hi, I have a good invested Helm with treasure, can I swap her for any unit on rookie arena and the other?

[tropic summit]

show your rookie and sp arena teams and we can suggest that

[oblique magnet]

treasure helm is amazing, lol

[lunar pawn]

nah, emi has 200k hp less than RH by default

unless crown is handicapping the team

[keen vapor]

Yes

[keen vapor]

How not

[tropic summit]

SBS hit dropped your whole team HP, if anything it's really close

[keen vapor]

It happens to me all the time

[tropic summit]

although RH being the lowest max HP on blanc cast is the only reason

[lunar pawn]

doesn't make sense considering emi has lower max hp than rh

[rigid inlet]

Rookie: Scarlet - Blanc - RH - Cento - Jackal
Sp: the same above
Noah - Biscuit - Anni's Summer - pepper - poli
Noise - miracle xAnne - Emilia - Rapunzel - Noir

[lunar pawn]

time to report a bug?

[rigid inlet]

Yes!

[tropic summit]

ok that 3rd team is a bit weird

[tropic summit]

as i said, it looks very close in terms of HP bars and there was an AoE hit, might've been an SBS crit on RH and a non crit on emi, that makes your RH lowest max HP

[umbral crown]

Bricked to D1

[lunar pawn]

doesn't matter if an aoe hits for crit on one and not on the other if the damage is literally shared

[oblique magnet]

it would be awesome if we got battle logs for pvp, lol

[tropic summit]

well thing is your RH got indom and emi didn't

although go ahead and report it, it's worth a shot

[rigid inlet]

Do you suggest a good one? Or simply I can swap any character for helm?

[keen vapor]

[tropic summit]

need to see your box to come up with one

post nikke in order of strength

[tropic summit]

did you just report the player

[rigid inlet]

Ok give me a second

[lunar pawn]

Idk if they actually reply to you on these though

[lunar pawn]

Idk where to report so ingame is quicker

[rigid inlet]

Or a good half hour to open the game lol

[oblique magnet]

LOL oh no

[tropic summit]

poor lad done nothing wrong got reported

[umbral crown]

Your cp is kinda low for your sync and you not investing much in pvp. You do not open boxes and people in your bracket already did

[tropic summit]

@keen vapor sir, you can take this 🧯 with that 🔥

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

[raven plover]

they "stay". once they coming back, game will readd them to the group

[lunar pawn]

my whole bracket updated, after like 2 years seeing the same people, only 3 people I recognize in the top 10 now, but I'm one of 2 f2ps in the top 10, the other guy is ranked 10th

[raven plover]

2 years same bracket is very good

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

Not really, in rookie it gets bored when everyone avoids you and you do not hsve any motivaion to play. SP just the last days people started hitting but just 1 boi tried his luck and won

[raven plover]

no one hitting is my motivation to play

[remote sphinx]

o/ can i ask for some more arena comp assistance?

[rigid inlet]

In this moment helm is my powerful character

Laplace have the treasure too

[bleak latch]

Thelm buff is more than enough

[umbral crown]

Why not for pach? With 361 boost im confident i can take down any 401-410

[tropic summit]

is laplace treasured?

[rigid inlet]

Yes

[tropic summit]

scarlet xanne rh centi jackal
noah biscuit pepper sbs helmT
blanc s.anis emi rapu laplace+

quantum on centi, jackal
vigor on biscuit, pepper, blanc, rapu
temperance on noah
resil on s.anis, s.anis must've burst lvl 9 and no ammo OLs

notes: wishlist cinderella, consider building rosanna up to 7/10/10 4 OLs 30-40% atk on the longer term to upgrade T1

[keen vapor]

He seemed to know PVP better

[tropic summit]

i need 361 but when i'll be 361 they'll be close to 421

[umbral crown]

But you do not?

Echo can be 361 anytime but miedo a exito

fear to success

[tropic summit]

echo commiting sudoku on himself

@keen vapor silly you

[keen vapor]

Harakiri*

[rigid inlet]

Thanks! I can use the same deff teams for attack? And rosana you mean summer rosana or the normal one?

[tropic summit]

sudoku sounds more hilarious*

[umbral crown]

A rival went from 346 to 360 in 1 night

[tropic summit]

-atk teams should be tailored based on what you facing, although scar-jack and s.anis team can be used as is depending on archetype
-yes normal rosanna

[tropic summit]

that's me, but from 341 to 353

[umbral crown]

I practically have more cp than echo and im 330

[rigid inlet]

Thanks! I'm eternally grateful! 😚😚

[umbral crown]

🧱

[tropic summit]

@keen vapor

[umbral crown]

You give me 341 boost and i will be over 1.6m

[remote sphinx]

i'm back to consult the smart ppl, got some new units and wondering if i can improve anything arena comp wise

(new ones marked)

[keen vapor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/946720097031045161/1297132224541364246/kisama.mp4?ex=675763c5&is=67561245&hm=75448ce1e766fdbdf153671138ba7ff0ba79d5642bbf4f34dd6c067de52a2a93&

[tropic summit]

nothing useful there, just hit us again once it's anything on the suggested wishlist

[remote sphinx]

o7

[tropic summit]

the mukiiiiiiiiiii always gets me

[bleak latch]

@tropic summit it's begin one of whale just poke my team

he gonna figure out soon enough

[lunar pawn]

I have no idea how to use the customer service page nikke has, it's so messy, I reported the arena issue under account ban issue

[tropic summit]

well, all defenses are made to be broken at some point, just cross your fingers

only silly opponents fail more than twice

[lunar pawn]

need a new defense, I have rumani but she's as unbuilt as can be

[bleak latch]

try mine it's working for now but not sure how long

[lunar pawn]

bay is unbuilt too

[bleak latch]

you can just replaced her with blanc

and swapped scarlet to P1 if you use blanc

[lunar pawn]

I guess, cheers

now I need to cook this guy

[tropic summit]

what are those teams

if T1 is a sacc that's at least smart

the indom centi is gonna be hilarious on the other hand

and t3 is begging to be scarletted

[tropic summit]

off to sleep

[lunar pawn]

cp penalty in t2

ty anyway, g'nite

[upper grove]

nice reshuffle, 3 whales came back into my bracket

including the Korean sniper from 3 months ago

[umbral belfry]

[lunar pawn]

ok used some boxes, no longer cp penalty

indom did land on centi lol, won all 3 rounds

kudos for the rec

[upper grove]

I actually have to invest in pvp units now

[umbral crown]

Kill anis, block nuke and you win. No more B2 or a way to revive

[lunar pawn]

didn't block nuke, just nuked before he did and won

[umbral crown]

Excellent

[lunar pawn]

new whales everywhere in my bracket now

[stray loom]

Wait levels go up to 500???

[final wedge]

any1 tries Blanc 4/10/10 and maxing SR15 on her with ovrload lv.5 helm, torso and boots???? is it worth in combat???

[umbral crown]

up to 900 for now

[umbral crown]

it is

[final wedge]

i got spare dolls to play but keep wondering if it is worth to went all in for Blanc

[umbral crown]

the more the investment the better

[final wedge]

cuz just finished Rapunzel and it is very good with her 1sec stun

[umbral crown]

but try to treasure helm before that

[final wedge]

yea done dat till S2 tho

[umbral crown]

nice then feel free to work in the unit you use the most in pvp

[final wedge]

yea Blanc is like 100% must use unit....problem is i got too many choices....Moran, Noise or Blanc.....since Blanc is the only B2....my favor goes for her

[stray loom]

Dam

[final wedge]

I saw the healing Tick on lvl.7 is quite good on prolonged battle.....I wonder if it is gonna be good if she has more HP with dolls and OL

[umbral crown]

then go for it

[stone iris]

Enemy Helm seems to be bursting faster than my team

[sleek root]

Haha haven't seen the guy for 6 month. Finally we met again!

[lunar pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/legendary-battle-worthy-opponent-finally-a-worthy-opponent-our-battle-will-be-legendary-gif-14616660

[solid flare]

2 new whales and 1 new tryhard

[dim sapphire]

one idiot*

[gaunt viper]

SP def squad composition suggestion please? Helm is treasured btw, thank you

[dire root]

I wonder if I win this.

Oh right biscuit should be slot 2.

[crystal flicker]

1 whale without PvP knowledge

[dire root]

Won't their burst I die pretty fast and brick their team? Or do they have something to keep B1 alive,

need to look through skills.

[dire root]

At the end of the day all you need is a credit card to win sometimes lol.

[crystal flicker]

Shoud bring 1 defender if you use Biscuit, otherwise she's useless there

[solid flare]

do i even win here or should i stop being lazy and actually build attack teams

[dire root]

I keep getting defenders and supporters confused

[keen vapor]

Or Summer Anis, summer anis is good with biscuit

Guys, what we thinking on jackal biscuit summer anis Rapunzel flex?

[crystal flicker]

Judging from the sync, I doubt he has SAnis~~ or he just skipped her~~

[keen vapor]

Too risky on every round I think

[fiery parcel]

Can anybody recommend teams for this pvp?

[keen vapor]

Uh, I think you have low CP problem right now

[fiery parcel]

That i do

Because most of them have t9m, but i havent done their OL yet

[keen vapor]

You're supposed to invest units

Giving you new teams is pointless otherwise

[fiery parcel]

Been trying to get the meta units maxed out first. Just finished with thelm, and now about to invest into asuka wille and rei 2.

[empty cedar]

I have a question.

How fast is scarlet-blanc-rossana-Emilia-jackel

Was it 2.5

[keen vapor]

Chuckles

I'm in danger

[keen vapor]

Rough guessing is 3 RL

[empty cedar]

Really was it that slow?

[keen vapor]

@tropic summit

[keen vapor]

Is standard speed actually

But I guess you could say is relatively slow to our current days with Helm treasure

[empty cedar]

I had to get a doble take when I saw the gems dude are you saving for Nikke 2 or something

[keen vapor]

My wished collab

[empty cedar]

Goals.

I'm at the mercy of shift up when they release siren I'm core 7 her on release

[keen vapor]

There's no need to level up gear post overload tho

[half grail]

Is new Rei good pvp?

[tawny vine]

she feeds jackal but her burst looks like mpriv + 2 buffer in one

so up to you

[eager mountain]

look like just another nuke thats mostly for offense not defense
should hits harder then most nuke (not tested), but can be easily cheesed with sakura burst

[coarse lake]

need someone to test if reit/blanc/rh/centi/jackal against 4 rockets + sanis is enough to nuke in time

so against something like noise/noah/biscuit/sanis/rapu

[tulip quest]

That's my old bracket LOL

[sleek root]

Whats your new bracket now? Might have some people i know off

[tulip quest]

My whale friend 100+ level gap and 35+level gap Ticket whale

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1177116972593463316/1343114186355380268/image.png?ex=67c0b54f&is=67bf63cf&hm=60fd5ed40d1a5bc3803398b95574f71f69372583690b625c86ea4b41e9781d48&

[tulip quest]

Careful that guy will gem u Maybe

[tulip quest]

MY New bracket

[sleek root]

LoL... i am that guy lol... And its not gem. its free SP arena chips

[tulip quest]

Oh lol my Bad XD

[sleek root]

We got like 5 free SP arena chips last time from conpensation or something, and i was messing with you because i was bored without any action haha

[tulip quest]

My Bracket barely attackable now

[tulip quest]

I thought you were testing Teams for Champion tho

1st can't test teams

[sleek root]

Pretty sure our last one was the same, month go by without any fights

[tulip quest]

it's kinda bad spot if no attackers

[tulip quest]

no point man 1-2-3 same 3K Gems

2nd place is better if you wanna experiment attacking teams

That was why I was like begging u to take 1st place LOL

Kanda please take 1st

[slow heart]

a new whale got added in my arena and beat me for first place, I win with the cinderella team. any tips for teams 1 and 3?

[eager mountain]

calling anyone 1+ lvl higher then u a whale

[slow heart]

not just the 10 lvl

thought my crown, rapi, cindy and helm still have more pwr

[tulip quest]

Oh ticket whale

seems winnable tho

[tulip quest]

Your 3rd team got centi?
Take out viper

[slow heart]

yeah the other 2 matches were close

[tulip quest]

Actually take out grave

[slow heart]

the reason I use viper

[tulip quest]

ya take grave and put in centi

[eager mountain]

2rl nuke first, 2rl noah second/third
not gonna cook

[waxen tartan]

pretty sure its almost a year?
its pretty chill in this bracket

[slow heart]

I lose about 65k pwr

[tulip quest]

Also just tip man Blanc will NEVER INDOM CINDERELLA Because of decoy she doesn't get damaged until late game

[tulip quest]

Lol ya Chill bracket is rare in top 10

[tulip quest]

Ohhhh

[sleek root]

We met again.. the 3rd spot guy is attacking me lol... why... Attack you on the 1st spot lol!

[waxen tartan]

idk, that dude never tried to atk me

[tulip quest]

Still not deficit tho put in centi take out grave

[waxen tartan]

and the only person that was attacking me is gone lol

[sleek root]

I just wanna chill... and this guy is picking fight with me who is on the 2nd place..

[slow heart]

should I swap blanc then?

[sleek root]

Never seen him in my bracket before.

[tulip quest]

Nah if you don't have better alternatives, Take out B soda instead