pvp-arena

[umbral crown]

just look at the time i joined the server

[vapid lake]

it time for tibi to spam until turn blue

[eager mountain]

its way more then that, this ignored as lot of renewable sources

[keen vapor]

Can confirm

[eager mountain]

no

[umbral crown]

you prolly remember the rapunzel era on general chat back then

or the ruru when i joined

[raven plover]

the reason why Im hobo is because I forget things easily, so Im sorry I dont remember

[umbral crown]

nhaha happens, im really thinking in a new ingame name for this new sp season

you know, to give the bois new vibes

[crystal flicker]

frfr

[umbral crown]

like:

oh, a new person is here, we finally get rid of Rosy

[keen vapor]

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

now the hard part is to think in a name that looks its a whale

[crystal flicker]

Use CN / JP name

[umbral crown]

true

c7 unit and thats it

[vapid lake]

Write ||色色大叔||

[umbral crown]

hmm

[crystal flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/social-credit-social-credit-score-meme-john-xina-gif-23649557

It'd be funny if C1 name is John Xina with "Bing Chilling" as their bio

ad C2 name John Cena with "You can't see me"

[unkempt kestrel]

usually we use noise to buff cindy but is xmaiden a good buffer for cindy as well?

[crystal flicker]

pvp? not really

[unkempt kestrel]

is there any other good pvp support for her?

[quick lake]

xmaiden doesnt buff cindy nuke

[unkempt kestrel]

it looks like xmaiden is mainly good with sanis

only other electric unit i can think of

[quick lake]

xmaiden basic attack hits really hard. So she’s a good unit by herself too

[eager mountain]

It’s single target so if p1 is protected then it wont get job done, but could be used to snipe unprotected ones like using sg

[keen vapor]

this is making me think Helmet won't buff her

[quick lake]

atk dmg buff when entering full burst, doesn’t buff nukes

Ein and BSoda nukes are the exception iirc

[digital whale]

how to fight PVP 1-1

[keen vapor]

my Cindy helmet team is trash then

[keen vapor]

Emilia 2 RL bad?

[digital whale]

Didn't do it

[quick lake]

Rumani Blanc Biscuit Cindy Laplace

[keen vapor]

Huh? How does that work

[quick lake]

Delayed cindy nuke team

lemme send a vid

[keen vapor]

[quick lake]

#pvp-arena message @digital whale

Idea is that Biscuit will invuln defender B1 and B2. Cindy will never die from opponent cindy’s burst (because decoy will always eat the nuke). So ur burst chain units all alive to stall out Noah’s shield

Delayed Cindy can be abit wonky sometimes because of the timing

[digital whale]

thank kub

[eager mountain]

same team but sanis instead of cindy. profit

[quick lake]

This team could technically work too

[keen vapor]

No, Cindy is the one who has double defender HP bar

[eager mountain]

melts anyway, thats what i use

emi team might actually lose that cuz of cindy hp not sanis team

i was like "what", literally have the best atk lines on emi, and 1 hp bar Cindy melts my whole team

[wicked horizon]

What does Rapunzel's burst do exactly? Not the revive part.

[eager mountain]

stun enemy for 1 sec if Rapun is under 30%

Just another decent offense tactic

[keen vapor]

Heal

[wicked horizon]

When does this happen?

[eager mountain]

By literal when her hp under 30% when burst activates

[wicked horizon]

So it won't activate if her HP falls under 30% while the burst is active?

[graceful grotto]

they should update rapunzel

[eager mountain]

[graceful grotto]

make it so the 'under 30% stun' thingy activates even when not bursting

[eager mountain]

While the burst is active, it’s more like an instant, so only the moment she burst, hp check for that instant

[wicked horizon]

I mean, full burst lasts like 10s

[final wedge]

guys??? question.....whats minimum chargespeed for Helm to gain RL benefit??.....i know Jackal, Centi, Anis are 17%....what about helm???

[eager mountain]

burst skill is not full burst

[eager mountain]

12ish enough

[final wedge]

ah icic tyty

[magic marsh]

Hi, i need team build for pvp, thanks

[wicked horizon]

Well, if we take it as written, being below 30% is also not falling under 30%, so there is no way that skill could ever activate.

Either the falling part is wrong, or the part where it doesn't have a duration is wrong.

[eager mountain]

Go can go annoy someone else I don’t have rail’s patient

It’s by literal

[wicked horizon]

What does "by literal" mean?

[magic marsh]

is my current team already okay? or do i need to change?

[graceful grotto]

assuming it's rookie: jackal liter biscuit og asuka noir

[magic marsh]

yeah its rookie

im still new at pvp xd

og asuka is the old one right?

[graceful grotto]

yeah

[magic marsh]

like this?

[graceful grotto]

yeap

[magic marsh]

umm, how about sp?

[graceful grotto]

ur team is far too few to have a decent sp team, just stick the same team on 1 team and auto the other two (cp pad)

[magic marsh]

ah okayy

so its gonna be jackal-liter-biscuit-ogasuka-noir, and the two is auto?

[graceful grotto]

yeap

[magic marsh]

is defense line gonna be the same w/ atk line?

[graceful grotto]

atk line is highly based on the defense you're attacking

since all units have counter

[magic marsh]

can you recommend me a defense line for now?

or stick the same as the atk line

[graceful grotto]

? i just did

those i recommend are defense line

[magic marsh]

OH

[graceful grotto]

atk lines are dependant on the team you're attacking, there's no fix atk team

[magic marsh]

i thought that was atk lines

so sorry xD

[graceful grotto]

no worries

[magic marsh]

okay, thanks for the heads up!

[swift mango]

Phantom+Naga+Liter+Noir+Jackal

Anis+Biscuit+Privaty+Dorothy+Wind Asuka

Auto team

[magic marsh]

damn, thanks!

[brazen ledge]

There is

You could but stun isn’t efficient, debuff cleanse is very niche and immunity is popular against nukes

When I attack a team I just check if there’s jackal (and scarlet usually) or Noah or sg users or Cindy full left or right or something else

Thats the things I try to check bc I’ll build my teams off of that (Im not the best at PvP but it works)

Listen

I didn’t go back all the way to check your conversation, sorry I don’t have this much time allowed

I try to help people on my free time, there I tell you about what you asked

If you want me to help you build a specific PvP team against someone, tell me it’ll be faster

Nukes are not stun

[worthy knoll]

Its similar to Rouge burst that its a bunch of consecutive "ifs" that activates if the condition is true when the unit bursts. But yeah, the "falls below" is kinda bad grammatically. Prolly just better to make it simple like "Activates when hp is below 30%. Affect all enemies: Stun 1 sec". It is like they wanted to make it sound more professional but it backfired and made it ambiguous with their wording.

[brazen ledge]

Why would you stun when you can go faster and one shot the other team ?

No

[wicked horizon]

I think you're both in the wrong

[sleek root]

What is this Nikke Deck tool your using, btw?

[eager mountain]

well rosa buff cleanse was decent enough, but yeah they didnt really design pvp chara with those in mind for whatever reason

now u look new chara is rl theres a good chance to assume its pvp lol

ig lets see what campaign arena really is, tho i dont have much hope

gacha like this is to sell characters, not gameplay afterall

[tired field]

I just wish I wasn't stuck in hell. everyone in the next rank above me has +400k power

[eager mountain]

regi date based matchmaking be like that, u take a brake and rip

[sleek root]

Doubt it, the fact that Champion Arena has been in limbo for 2 years, says they're not focus on investing on that side of the game.

Its been delayed and delayed forever

[eager mountain]

they too busy getting off-game apps like blabla and other web events to feed their intern -kun, as well as off-line events

no matter the intern they get they cant really fix game's potato code

[tired field]

maybe they realize twitter is the real pvp, so they made their own twitter

[eager mountain]

do nikke ppl even argue over there

[tired field]

sure, just type "we need a femboy nikke" in an official post and now you're pvping

[eager mountain]

we dont need a femboy nikke

chatterbox being the cloest to it is enough

[brazen ledge]

Where am I wrong ?

[eager mountain]

this game has potato skill wording so arguing over effects is normal
tho rapun's pretty straight forward

kinda a skill to have nerding this pvp mode tbh

[wicked horizon]

You do realize I have to be critical of the guy whose English is sub-par when they claim that a skill description that is very ambiguously worded is obvious.

[eager mountain]

[wicked horizon]

Man woke up and chose violence today, idk.

[eager mountain]

maybe the lil programming knowledge makes it more obvious how its usually done

but yeah its not worth keeping this convo

[quick lake]

https://nikke-deck.web.app/

[eager mountain]

the deck is better then the spreadsheet imo when it comes to personal use, and also for those whos relatively new

no quantum3 option but i have 7 anyway im biased

[tired field]

Thank you for saying literally, otherwise I might have thought you were talking figuratively about pvp skills

[eager mountain]

u wanna do a lil math if it barely does 100% like 100.18% with 17% cs

to account non-charge weapons gen

tho, generally its just turning 3rl into 2.49rl (3-0.17*3)

[quick lake]

17% is a break point. 17% cs or more allows RL/SR units to fire an additional projectile in the same amount of time i.e. more burst gen

[eager mountain]

but the faster the merrier as always, 17% just a break point

and should be more important in champion arena

and anything over 17 is quite hard to get as if 17 isnt hard enough, not only 4 lines but also all decent ones, lots of rocks

technially u can go 25 and turn 2rl into 1.5rl but

that will take hundereds of rocks for one rl nikke since it takes blue black lines

[quick lake]

15% is the minimum

17% or more, just allows u to shoot 3 projectiles in 2.5RL time (assuming no motion delay)

20.8% assuming 0.25s motion delay

.
Just some quick math on cs:
Assuming no motion delay, 16.67% (what we typically round up to 17% CS) charge speed allows u to hit 3 rockets in 2.5RL time
Assuming 0.25s motion delay (irl delays ranges between 0.216s-0.25s), u need 20.83% cs to hit 3 rockets in 2.5RL time.
Assuming 0.25s motion delay, you need >15.00% cs to enter B3, before the opponent enters B2. (For eg, in the situation of 2.5RL vs 3RL, where 2.5RL allows u to B3, when opponent only B1)
.
From what I have gathered on cs in general

[eager mountain]

is motion delay inconsistent

if its just a constant then its no big issue

[quick lake]

According to JP frame by frame analysis dude, it ranges between 0.216-0.25

[eager mountain]

u got the link?

[quick lake]

His sheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_0Nj1a_fxNaRtVEqbssZXZ0q5ycw5naDfHSj1qOIiVY/edit?gid=833914035#gid=833914035
His twitter page:
https://x.com/USANIKU_NIKU

Functionally this:
0.25 row, is the motion delay assumption
1 0.792 0.844 row is time taken for 1 projectile

yeah. Not as robust as pve no doubt

From my own math, u just need 15% to use B1 before opponent uses B3. (Just like how 2.5RL vs 3RL typically plays out) (*Assumes 0.25s motion delay)

For dps units in general (most obvious case being SBS), more CS generally just means more dmg, more auto attacks

SBS specifically has some cs breakpoints: 4.9/11/20 to allow 18/19/20 attacks during burst cycle

It just shoots a little faster. But nothing very significant at least for pvp

[eager mountain]

🤔 nice sheet there

gonna dig into it, recently looking at frames stuff

i followed this guy but didnt pay attention to his sheet

[quick lake]

yeah. I think Kosmiu also mentioned that +1% cs probably will not even show up, cause there's no frame improvement

so there might also be frame improvement break points

[eager mountain]

ive been confused how frames works in pvp since its 30 frames so 3.33% second as an unit and yet

[quick lake]

[eager mountain]

so i tried to at least roll the only cs line to at least 3% and see if it should be frame based or not or whether it rounds up or down but didnt really test it thru at all

rrh isnt great

[crystal flicker]

frfr

you don't want rrh in pvp

[eager mountain]

its always 30 fps, hitcount also based on that, and non mg like ar has diff hit count here despite not shotting over 30 bullets per sec

[quick lake]

Nuke numbers. 1st column is unbuffed raw dmg. 2nd column is when nuke is buffed by that buffer. 3rd column is buffed by column 2 and 3 if possible

[crystal flicker]

I can throw scardrunk and she'll just die in no time

[eager mountain]

its just a temporal dps when u dont have the metas, lower sync env

[vapid lake]

Wind rei looking good

[eager mountain]

think 2nd column is optimal single buffer and 3rd column is highest possible single buffer

[crystal flicker]

Cindy with Noise and Blanc just too slow

[eager mountain]

noise buff is quite minimal, takes something crazy like rouge stacked max hp buff to do wonder

since バフ一体is one buffer

[crystal flicker]

wonder if I should build NOise

I just finished OL Pepper

[eager mountain]

should worth, esp in ca

[crystal flicker]

What is CA? Myth?

[eager mountain]

[quick lake]

My guess is something along 13-14%

[coarse lake]

does cs cube round up if it's 1.59%

[eager mountain]

appearently? so lv3 lv7 being the saem......?

[coarse lake]

helm still needs about 17% for 3 in 2.5rl

rls can't actually reach 2.5rl with that due to travel time

[eager mountain]

well we talk of 17% as if its actually 2.5rl so its aligning that that

else rl needs an unrealistic rolls of cs

[quick lake]

I think the recent ammo patch (i.e. they added all ammo % OL then rounded), also applies to CS% rounding now @bleak shale
Okay ignore me. Idk anything

[coarse lake]

I got an opponent whose helm seems to be same cs as mine, I can throw on 1.59% cs cube tomorrow and see if that changes things, should get me over 20% threshold assuming cube just rounds up

[quick lake]

My RL cs% seemed to round up now

[coarse lake]

how would you test that

[quick lake]

Previously all effective 18% CS all shot the same. Now after new formula, one of them shooting faster i think

[coarse lake]

I don't think a 1% rounding diff would make it noticeable

assuming that one even gets extra 1% cs

tbh most of the time the rounded cs and the raw cs rounded end up same number anyway

[quick lake]

Rumani at 19%, while the other 2 at 18%

[coarse lake]

do that in pvp tho

and also what are rumani's cs lines

that timing diff seems way too big for 1% cs

something that noticable if replicated in pvp looks to me more like 5% or something

[quick lake]

The extreme right side was the effective cs from rounding than summing tgt

Maybe in pvp not as noticeable/meaingful yeah

[coarse lake]

eh... actually less than 5%

my 5% biscuit has a bigger delay still

[quick lake]

Maybe at 60 fps, delay is more noticeable

[coarse lake]

rumani with old cs calc is still 19% tho

9 + 10

[quick lake]

[crystal flicker]

[quick lake]

okay. My math failed

[eager mountain]

[shell hazel]

that bit in the event did make me laugh

[lunar dirge]

Depends of noise investment

Lvl 7 noise burst is like 20% nuke dmg increase

For cindy

[swift mango]

So 2.12 round up to 3%?

[quick lake]

Just rounds normally to 2% i think

[swift mango]

If they did that, Won't it be unfair to people who upgrade CS cube to lv7?

[quick lake]

idk. Probably

[swift mango]

Are you sure CS cube even round up?

[quick lake]

No idea tbh. Its an assumption

[swift mango]

I mean how does that even work?

3.54 line becomes 4%?

So 4 x 3.54 line because me 16% instead of 14%?

[quick lake]

Eg if there’s 4.92 4.92 4.33
Then Round(4.92+4.92) + round(4.33)
This was the OL% calc previously (before the recent patch)

Recent patch, Ammo % Calc is now Round(Sum of all OL%). Not sure if they did they same for cs calcs

[swift mango]

So it would be worthless to get black line CS because 5.51 tier 13 line is already 6%?

So get 4 line CS tier 13 and you have 24% CS ?

Getting Black line x 4 also 24%?

Are you sure it round up this way?

Ammo round up because you can't have a half ammo.

[quick lake]

This was the formula previously. Confirmed by Kosmiu

[swift mango]

But 0.49 CS is huge

I mean do CS round to 1% and not 0.1%? That would make many roll worthless. Unlike ammo.

[quick lake]

Recent CN vid that talked about this:
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1vgfVYSEQw/?share_source=copy_web&vd_source=c68f5cb3de601f805050cb6cd1edd267&t=170
The bilibili vid that was posted previously talking about cs

Takes a while to google translate, but that's what it says. Kosmiu confirmed this too (long time back)

[modest summit]

What’s this? I haven’t been able to attack since last night

[swift mango]

This rounding doesn't really behave like I said.

Like, if you had 2 x 4.33 line it became 9%. Not 8%.

So if you had 4 x 5.51 line it would be 22% not 24%.

[quick lake]

Its Round(4.33 + 4.33). Same tier OLs are added tgt then rounded

While if the tiers are different, its individually rounded then summed tgt

[swift mango]

Kinda weird so I would take it with a grain of salt.

It kinda made CS cube worthless to upgrade.

Maybe I would upgrade Quantum instead.

Any explanation why does it not round after sum everything but only sum the same value line?

[quick lake]

Nope, they didnt say. Seems to be just nikke wonky dmg formula

[whole pawn]

@tropic summit today I stayed at chal 8 for 3 h, then gone to chal 1 , then after to dia 2, then i climbed to chal 9 and stayed for 4 h , then returned to dia 1
I have to survive 1 day

I have one chip, do u think I should use it if I risk to demote from chal before the season ends

[quick lake]

Dmg formula was backsolved. Wasnt really brought up and complained per se. Nikke's crit dmg formula is also pretty weird, was raised up before but no response afaik

[swift mango]

There are tons of wonky things in arena like Cindy decoy. Bullet whisk. I don't expect they fix anything.

Crit dmg has been bad in this game since day one and no fix

[quick lake]

U should have seen Day 1 nikke bugs

Bugs became features

Nikke goddess of bugs

[swift mango]

Today's rock all gone because I misclicked ... Should I keep it.

[shell hazel]

I wouldn't

[swift mango]

[quick lake]

3 lines better for cp

[swift mango]

Could lock and reroll

Feel stupid now

[tropic summit]

check point score and assume opponent has 12-18hrs to claim still, do some maths and you know if you can have margin or better secure a ch spot, check ppl behind you and what rank they are

[whole pawn]

not sure how to do math

[tropic summit]

your main interests are the current battle ranks of the following:

ayanami
user114...
kioukei

are they dia or ch atm

[whole pawn]

ayanami is chal 9
user 11 is above me on diam 1/ rank 14
kouikei is chal 7

I think I should take chal 7 as soon as next reset comes

[tropic summit]

ok so if you've to hit someone next time, hit kouikei or ayanami, you can safely ignore user11 as they'll never catch up to you, that's roughly between 3k to 4k points, not possible in 48hrs

essentially your 2.1k gems are secured

[whole pawn]

mmmm

ayanami is chal 9, koukei is chal 7, do u think I should fight ayanami then koukei at the same time?

[tropic summit]

you can estimate the gems they've yet to claim based on their last login time then multiply it for the income of their respective rank, if you curious

[tropic summit]

nothing will change, you're stuck at either ch7-ch10 range, same income regardless

[whole pawn]

that way I might loose my attempts, but at least ayanami could be far, and koukei is gonna attack me anyway
but then I I'll use my chip on him

[tropic summit]

just kick their ass as revenge if anything

pointwise it's a done deal, no more time

[whole pawn]

so I don't have to wait couple of hours

straight up take ayanami and koukei places

that if we assume they didn't either rank or derank

ayanami and user 11 doesn't really use meta def, but their cp is huge

so they can just cp gap me and attack my def

I will try to wait 1 h after reset, and climb straight up and take koukei place, then we leave it for god to decide whether I can get 2.4 k gems or no

[tropic summit]

you won't get 2.4k

it's done

6th place is earning ch income, you're on dia income, less than 48hrs left and you're behind

it's bayonara

2.1k gems is good enough considering your situation, in fact pretty good

[shell hazel]

where did you wind up on the previous season btw?

I went back and checked mine, it goes back like 60-70 days but I was 2nd in all of them until this one lol

I think it lost some older ones though as I'm sure I had previous ones before those, maybe it just truncates after each season

[whole pawn]

I felt like I got stabbed in my back
it's joeaver

[whole pawn]

I don't remember, but I got my 2.4 k gems

[shell hazel]

it's the last bit before each season reset

or roughly that

says in the records anyway

[swift mango]

Today rookie was pretty productive.

Dude hit my 5 times just to ended up rank 4 at the end.

[whole pawn]

[swift mango]

My first 2 days I didn't even hit anyone.

So low enough score to kick him to r4.

[shell hazel]

oh I use my tries atm still need points for the challenges

for the final level of the core to get last dispatch slot

then my re-rolls on those will be even better

[tropic summit]

stabbed in the back by whom? just consequences

if you had the same p2p or more you'd be sitting higher

i wouldn't call it a victory in that case, honestly. Rather save your money for more relevant stuff than wasting them on a gacha

keep in mind pvp in nikke is mostly if not entirely p2p, for high ranks especially

[shell hazel]

yeah I'll compete as long as I can without resorting to p2p 😄

but if p2p comes in and beats me it's done, I won't chase them

[tropic summit]

i'll be f2p forever, noway in hell im throwing cash on this

[shell hazel]

I spend a bit but it's for other stuff not levels/pvp things, I just want more units and skins so my spend goes there

[swift mango]

40 level difference is still fine. Just look at me just kicking his ass.

[shell hazel]

yeah, I figure you can at least annoy the whales even if they a bit above 🙂

[quick lake]

Blue

[vapid lake]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1332646076519284760/1337701496019746977/Shitpost_65.mp4?ex=67bd7f19&is=67bc2d99&hm=2fa5479ddebd6ff304f56b008a8be2751fae6e579bd7a64d7c38530ef5aced99&

[swift mango]

But this one

Not this one.

[vapid lake]

now this channel is all blue

[swift mango]

Full of this one.

[shell hazel]

not me yet

need to yap more

[quick lake]

Small blue

[tropic summit]

blue gang

[vapid lake]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68ugkg9RePc

[whole pawn]

I didn't mean it

[whole pawn]

I wasn't serious

well it's just 300 gems, not much difference

[swift mango]

I got the feeling you would be purple soon.

[tropic summit]

can't i stay blue forever

the amount of yapping done kicks in

[whole pawn]

me waiting to be blue

[swift mango]

Point in SpA competition... You need to be able to def and only focus on fighting against 1 guy who could break your DEF.

[whole pawn]

almost everyone can break my def, especially on my T1 and t2

if only I had noise and noah, that's gonna be a different story

[tropic summit]

and invested pvp units

noah won't solve your issue of having 220-240k CP teams against 280k

[whole pawn]

yeah ik

atleast it won't make it worse than this

[graceful umbra]

Ion gon lie i cant even tell if my pvp build is working or not cuz i just look at the statistic when im winning or losing just to see either my team in full health or cinderalla being the last one standing

If it works then it works ig idk

[swift mango]

If you can't def then switch it up. First you look at the guys you want to def. Gauge the CP point where you won't be deficit. And build your team to that.

A 4rl Cindy no stat deficit no Noah is better than 2rl Cindy with Noah at 30% deficit.

[whole pawn]

0 rocks today barely gonna do smt to ;irror

[swift mango]

Simple at that

[whole pawn]

honeslty i dunno, i m following rqil teams, since my cp is low, no team can defend

[graceful umbra]

Cant even understand that sentence, am i cooked in pvp

[swift mango]

Well, if his team doesn't work then build your own. Check pin, learn arena mechanic.

Most importantly, check your bracket to see the CP break point.

[quick lake]

Should learn what u can by urself. cant always be asking rail

[whole pawn]

i said its cp problem, no team can wrok against 280k teams

[swift mango]

If you can't hit that CP just give up the rank.

[whole pawn]

barely have enough pvp units so i dont see any problem from asking help

idk why even make a pvp channel if u are telling me to do it myself, because i dont have time for this shit

[swift mango]

I didn't have Noah for a year and still kick everyone asses who have Noah. It's normal.

Try to block the guys you want to beat and find the one log in the least and snipe him only.

Check their log in time and out log them if you can't beat them the normal way.

I didn't even have Jackal until This new year.

[whole pawn]

they mostly log everyday, not sure if i can know which exact times, u said i should block ? as if blocking their profile?

[whole pawn]

well my issue mostly came from cp, and i m stuck with cp for now, barely getting rocks from kraken

[shell hazel]

I got 0 rocks yesterday

[whole pawn]

0 rocks this reset

[swift mango]

You could get 1 rock guarantee each day if you p6 kraken

[shell hazel]

miles off I'd say at my sync 😄

[swift mango]

[shell hazel]

4 is my max atm

[whole pawn]

s3 for me

[swift mango]

Yeah

[whole pawn]

well i need half bar for s4 actually

[shell hazel]

I barely farmed kraken anyway I still need gear, trying to get boots for Helm from the big spider thing

just usually hope for a rock or two from the other bosses as I go

[swift mango]

I would say spider is the hardest ai boss for me

[shell hazel]

I get that to 4 as well

I think I can get all to 4 now

but none are that close to 5, just a level thing

[glad meteor]

You can check pins to learn about PvP deficit formula and Burst Gen calculators which show what RL timings are

[swift mango]

At the early day of doll system, I was sitting on C1 for a whole season. The 40+ lv gap whale couldn't even break my def because he had zero arena investment lol...

I was very focused on farm gear at the time. Most people at my bracket back then just started OL a little even their PvE team wasn't fully OL but my Arena was 15/15 will all 4/4 OL.

So even the whale couldn't CP press me without enough OL units, I was actually CP pressed him.

That adding the doll CP all goes to Arena relevance units, which is just much too far CP gapped to the rest of the bracket.

[fathom rock]

@tropic summit wtf

I couldve swore blanc bursted and healed emi

Usually she indoms and bursts this time she what now

[swift mango]

Yeah, I remember I was similar level to you now when it happened.

221-241 range. 15/15 4 OL. And I was farming EI, not AI. I started farming EI 1 boss to phase 7 since my 3rd week. And p7 3 boss from my 4th week, before I even level up to 200.

So I guess you was a little lazy with farming interceptions.

[fathom rock]

Or just unlucky

[swift mango]

What?

1 rock is enough to ol 1 gear. Your bottle neck to OL are the gear exp

[fathom rock]

0x3=0 moment

#pvp-arena message do you know what happened here

[swift mango]

You need a whole 4 days to get enough gear to ol 1 piece. And you can't be so unlucky you can't get 1 rock

[shell hazel]

yeah it's my experience as well

[swift mango]

Sometime I got 1-2rock a week but it's still enough to make gear exp the bottleneck

[fathom rock]

You can but its very unlikely
But yeah xp is always a bottleneck

[shell hazel]

I get enough rocks to add 1 rock OL to all gear as I level it up with gear xp and sometimes I get some extra rocks 😄

gear xp is my bigget bottleneck as well

[swift mango]

You just need to save enough of your rock and not use them.

use the law of average.

[fathom rock]

And then like my alt join the dark side and spend 50 rocks on rrh no ammo

[swift mango]

That's not my problem

[swift mango]

My RH is 6 ammo. And I have no complain

[fathom rock]

Rh ≠ rrh
Try 300 ammo rrh

[shell hazel]

300 ammo on MG is pretty rough

[fathom rock]

Haven't actually felt it till i got access to 60 fps

[swift mango]

My rrh has 1 ammo line and I use her with crown only
And you technically can't have 300 ammo RRH if you dolled her.

[fathom rock]

314 still same issue

[shell hazel]

think my RRH is 600 odd ammo and Crown 700 odd

still need more 🙂

[swift mango]

I crown has like 1000 and RHH not even 600.

[whole pawn]

literally me

[swift mango]

But RRH is fine because I use her with crown only.

In fact you don't need ammo on MG since you could use them with either Crown or Maid duo now.

Next we have ReiA2 who could reduce heat speed.

[fathom rock]

With crown the fast rld + short windup enough to have a noticeable dmg loss
With maids sure but who is running rrh b3 with maids

[swift mango]

Rhh B1.

[fathom rock]

Kraken privelage

[swift mango]

Noticable is fine so long as it's not huge.

[fathom rock]

Difference only big at 300 ammo 60fps with crown

314 since you count doll for some reason those 14 ammo wont save your mg

And what about all the times she isnt with crown

[swift mango]

I won't use her without crown, ever.

Maybe some weird solo raid comp but then again I'm not maiding it.

Union raid I use her with crown as well

[crystal flicker]

I use her for mono fire if possible

[strange linden]

do you have a second suggestion for the same roster? opponents already found a counter
I think I'll just alternate between this and another comp since it's hardly possible to win a DEF

[brazen ledge]

Certainly not you

[whole pawn]

we get 3 rocks next reset trust

[brazen ledge]

I get anomaly attacker visor next reset please

[crystal flicker]

I think I only need Tetra support for NOise

[graceful grotto]

u have treasure helm?

[lilac laurel]

only phase 2

[fathom rock]

Ma grats
Anyway i have access to 60fps now

3.5-4rl noah biscuit
Is this rookie?

[lilac laurel]

yeah

[brazen ledge]

Really !!?!

And te I finally got it

Only had to try a second time after making a guide and translating it in French

[fathom rock]

https://youtu.be/3KZI8pKw7hY?si=7M_MswHkKH7pW2TY does this look low fps to you

[onyx scaffold]

help me beat this guy. thanks. no rumani btw

[brazen ledge]

Might do that for other guides

[brazen ledge]

Imo this looks like a noah sbs (or whatever dps you have) t1 and scar jack t3

You go same speed noah t1

[onyx scaffold]

full team plz. im very noob

[brazen ledge]

I like using red hood as main dps against elec stuff

But it’s not the best

Could fit a Laplace Treasure in there

[onyx scaffold]

oh welp. no laplace treasure either

[graceful grotto]

u can either do a slow noah team comp (3-4RL) or a 2RL nuke with cindy

[brazen ledge]

Thats t1 3rl and t3 too right ?

[lilac laurel]

where i can see a guide about what those numbers mean

[brazen ledge]

Im in the bus

[swift mango]

Noah SBS team 1.
ScarJack team 2-3

[fathom rock]

Noah/biscuit/liter/rapunzel/cinderella

[brazen ledge]

Omagad im getting better at PvP

[fathom rock]

https://discord.com/channels/946719263866101821/1153017654332883055

[lilac laurel]

thanks

[brazen ledge]

And for t1 you do noah biscuit sbs centi noise
T3 Scarlet xanne rh anis jackal

I think

You have good feed on t3 with 2 sg

@swift mango right ?

[onyx scaffold]

ok?

[swift mango]

Could make common scarjack 2rl.

[brazen ledge]

Too much deficit

Uh no

[onyx scaffold]

the first team gets cp diff yeah

[swift mango]

You could also try Cindy p5 + 4 SG their Blanc team.

[onyx scaffold]

6k cp off

[swift mango]

[brazen ledge]

And units aren’t placed correctly

You’re using rapunzel bc good cp ?

[fathom rock]

3rl t1 can be potentially 2.5rl
3rl t2
3rl t3 very likely to be 2.5rl

Use
2rl noah vs t1

2rl scar vs t3

[swift mango]

SBS might need buff to win with that level difference.

[fathom rock]

Can sg their blanc on t3 but i dont wanna picture a universe where rh solos

[brazen ledge]

Heh

If I wasn’t trying to help someone I’d use Rosanna

I like playing her I like her gameplay

[swift mango]

Moran+Blanc+DrakeT+Noir+Cindy

Maybe not working too slow.

Replace Blanc with biscuit and you would win.

[onyx scaffold]

i just remove s.anis and throw sbs in

[glad meteor]

@lusty gull not major, red hood gen is 5.6 in 2RL,

Ram too

[fathom rock]

[swift mango]

Where is your Red hood?

[onyx scaffold]

my basement
i said i was a noob

no treasure laplace

the rest is invested.

but a lot of them are like this

[brazen ledge]

he surely has some charge speed on overloaded gear

[brazen ledge]

what matters on rosanna is skill obv and atk on ol lines

but anyways

[onyx scaffold]

I just take a screenshot for example

[brazen ledge]

can you show your nikkes ordered by cp pls ?

for myself im doing these kind of absurdities btw

[lusty gull]

update is live thx
added 17% to red hood too even if she should need less

[lusty gull]

if you find any other burst gen issue, please tell me, it's easy to fix

[brazen ledge]

whats the cp of emi @onyx scaffold

[onyx scaffold]

180k without cube

[brazen ledge]

ok thx

[fathom rock]

Does your emi have cs?

<@&946725432554836008>

the moment i ping he vanish

[onyx scaffold]

11% from gears

[brazen ledge]

and what abt thelm ?

[quick lake]

Can I follow u on blabla?

[fathom rock]

And thelm s1 lvl?

[fathom rock]

You sure can but will he follow you back

[onyx scaffold]

the link is public in my profile

[quick lake]

That's fine. I want to stalk his nikkes

[zinc lion]

auto-muted by the bot, he is now banned

[onyx scaffold]

0 from gears. Skill lv is 10109

Emi is 777

[fathom rock]

Vs t1 :
Vs t2 : scarlet biscuit emilia rh jackal
Vs t3 : noah centi rapunzel cindy helmeT
@brazen ledge double check

And check cp

[onyx scaffold]

Can I just give everyone resilience cube for cp?

[fathom rock]

No one here needs quantum in that setup so should be fine and you have rapunzel in t3

Man id really prefer run viper in t2 for b2 option but ik you have her treasure

[brazen ledge]

i wanted to do that (this is t1 i send t3 after) for cp padding hard and i want to hit t3 with scarjack bc its too beautiful to not do that with 2sgs

[crystal flicker]

need strong Nuke to beat those Scar Noah

[fathom rock]

But what on earth is 3rl sbs beating here

[brazen ledge]

t1 is 3rl too

[fathom rock]

All it takes is 17% cs on jackal for 2.5rl

[crystal flicker]

Can't he just survive Scar Nuke and use Emi to counter?

[brazen ledge]

No

[fathom rock]

[crystal flicker]

0 Buff ScarDrunk is a joke

[brazen ledge]

Emi is too weak for that

[brazen ledge]

EMI is water

[crystal flicker]

ScarletBS then

I did beat similar comp with buffed ScarletBS

She survives the Nuke though

[brazen ledge]

Thats what I used

I put Alice for cp padding he can put smth else if he has enough cp for that

[crystal flicker]

where's the buff for ScarletBS

[brazen ledge]

Alice

[fathom rock]

T2 is mighty fine if anis doesnt make him hit cp gap

[brazen ledge]

Thats the only issue I can see but his helm as good investment

[fathom rock]

Just t1 that questioning, but why arent we attacking t2 and t3 instead

[brazen ledge]

I don’t like t2

Rly I just hate making teams against Moran biscuit

[fathom rock]

Scar nuke it leaves moran centi vs your team

Moran is sure a handful

[crystal flicker]

just drop Cindy Nuke and they're gone

[fathom rock]

Just 2rl cindy enemy t1 then

[brazen ledge]

Cindy nuke is the way to go I think bc she’s very high cp too it seems

[fathom rock]

Noah centi rapunzel cindy helmeT

And scar nuke their t3

[crystal flicker]

Good thing they use Noise Rapu and make their gen slower

[crystal flicker]

It's 0,66RL before Noah burst

[fathom rock]

Enemy is very likely 2.5rl

[strong hull]

Did anyone see Echo?

[fathom rock]

And cindy before noah bursts is just a win

[quick lake]

Single buffed scarlet isnt gonna work in today's economy

[crystal flicker]

Blue

[swift mango]

Scarlet hit Emi

Cindy hit ASS

RH hit Scarlet.

Need lv7 Quantum

[onyx scaffold]

shiet. i misclicked and attacked the wrong guy

[swift mango]

Just need to crit.

[crystal flicker]

F

[swift mango]

Can be 2.5rl with CS. 2rl with enough feed.

[drifting hazel]

Crown in PvP?🧱

[swift mango]

Her buff is huge.

[brazen ledge]

I still don’t really know when to use crown

[swift mango]

And everyone has her high CP

[drifting hazel]

Is it like a stall so you can shield?

[brazen ledge]

But Rosanna exists, why b2 buff when b1 anihilates the enemy team ?

[swift mango]

Rossana can't kill anyone these day from max HP unless Ele stronk

[umbral crown]

https://tenor.com/view/uhhhhh-gif-7739071221619055385

[untold lion]

Hi guys, 55days into this game. need some update on both my rookie and 3v3 team. this is my current team. TIA for the advice < 3

this is what i currently have

[umbral crown]

Blood gonna cook for you

[swift mango]

You missed out on 1 strong attack option

[swift mango]

Rail gotta do it.

[cedar orbit]

enemy Rosanna 1-taps my Noah through Biscuit, since their team is so bad they can't take her below 50% hp in 2 RL

[swift mango]

So, did you win?

[cedar orbit]

can't win with Biscuit as B2

[swift mango]

Your OP Cindy should be able to tank it all.

[cedar orbit]

it was S.Anis tanking

[whole pawn]

have u considered adding an auto ban ? like whenver someone sends a link discord like that gets insta banned?

[cedar orbit]

I'm 35 lvls down, gigawhale decided to use his core boxes since new chapter came out

[hearty ore]

Need a non feeder team 3, probably build around scarlet here i guess? What do I partner her with?

[cedar orbit]

Blanc and Jackal

[brazen ledge]

[hearty ore]

jackals in the cindy team, which...is probably better cuz i've invested in cindy and not scarlet

[cedar orbit]

Rosanna is a disgusting cheese character, game would be better if she got removed

[cedar orbit]

put your treasure Helm on the team instead of Jackal

[hearty ore]

she's not treasure...yet :<

[cedar orbit]

Jackal is literally SR Anis on the team

[hearty ore]

nods

[cedar orbit]

she links to Cindy and the hero noob, so literally no one

SR Anis does the same thing on the team

[hearty ore]

oh okay

what b1 do i use on that team then

[cedar orbit]

oh right, you have no B1

download Rumani

[hearty ore]

noah?

i mean noise

[cedar orbit]

does Laplace have treasure?

[hearty ore]

yup

[cedar orbit]

damn, wasted mats

[hearty ore]

[cedar orbit]

you can't run a 2RL Cinderella team without Jackal in your current state

[hearty ore]

is this bad

[cedar orbit]

if you can accept the fact that you lose to 3RL Noahs or 2 RL Scarlets

[umbral crown]

[glad meteor]

It’s fine if noah can tank

[cedar orbit]

xd

actually, you have Pepper instead of Neon

[hearty ore]

Ty ty, realistically 1st in my arena is 400k power over me, so it's a fight for second place atm

[cedar orbit]

probably should run Centi in slot 1, Pepper or Anis slot 2

[hearty ore]

i thought we wanted noah to tank?

[cedar orbit]

wait, you have Noah on the team, didn't notice

weird seeing 2RL Cindy with only Cindy as a B3

[onyx scaffold]

Blood-sensei. u cooked
first team got cp diff i believe @swift mango

[cedar orbit]

don't think Blood accepts children who don't win all of their matches

[umbral crown]

Excellent

[onyx scaffold]

helm burst tho

[umbral crown]

But

[onyx scaffold]

i will. eventually

[umbral crown]

[onyx scaffold]

bro im losing 40 levels against a whale so i take it

[umbral crown]

Thats the way

[onyx scaffold]

i will bully the f2p 3/3 next time

[cedar orbit]

whale him back

[onyx scaffold]

i need to fix my sbs first

then im free from pve

[umbral crown]

To become a slave from pvp

[cedar orbit]

you inspired me to roll on SBS again

[glad meteor]

Sentenced to a life of hell, such a cruel punishment

[onyx scaffold]

W

line 3 never dropped

[swift mango]

RH high chance could suicide to Scarlet counter.

It's within expectation.

You could replace Blanc with Grave and do Blanc+RH do Scarlet team as well... Maybe swap Emi and HelmT too so team RH up to speed.

But a win is a win. 👍

[onyx scaffold]

Like I said, it got cp diff.
Biscuit got nuked quickly. And RH didn't deal enough dmg cuz deficit. Will try to get some more cp on that team. I feel like it could work.

[swift mango]

Damn

[swift mango]

I expect he used temp lock.

[onyx scaffold]

I mean I wasted 10 rocks to do no-lock reroll. Never got a line 3

Yesterday

[cedar orbit]

yeah, temp locking, although, I did manage to reroll a black line 3 elemental damage on Cindy before with those

[onyx scaffold]

my sbs

[shell hazel]

confirmation required? you can leave the screen and decide later?

[swift mango]

You definitely don't need the boot at lv5

[onyx scaffold]

[onyx scaffold]

I forgot why I did that tbh. I often have reason to do that tho

I mean I only level up boots when Im stuck

[shell hazel]

CP pad I guess

what is the best levels to get to for optimal post OL?

[onyx scaffold]

1 . Attacking characters pursue
attack power: head +4, hands +3, armor +1; then tap hands +4, head +5, armor +2; finally tap hands +5, armor +5

2. Supporting characters pursue
   HP : Armor + 4 shoes + 2 heads + 3 later shoes + 3 Armor + 5 heads + 4 last head + 5 shoes + 5

3. Defensive characters pursue
   HP: Armor + 5 shoes + 2 heads + 3

I used google translate from a chinese guide

[cedar orbit]

1-2 levels are relatively cheap

but it only really matters for coop

1 lvl only gives like 300 CP

[shell hazel]

I need all the CP I can get to clear MC 😄

[shell hazel]

useful thanks

[swift mango]

Head to 3. Hand to 2. Minimum. For DPS.

Toitorse to 3. Head to 2. Minimum for healer and tank.

Don't need to do the expensive options

[shell hazel]

for now this is mainly for my campaign team

pvp ones sat at OL +0 for time being

[swift mango]

Likely CP pad for campaign

[shell hazel]

once I done basic OL's on everyone I'd probably bump main 5 in campaign to +5 across the board if I can :d

even if it's a bit wasted, I'll be needing CP for hard mode for a while

[swift mango]

My campaign teams all with Helm lv5 at least.

[shell hazel]

big invest though can't do that for a while, maybe some months

[swift mango]

The only black line Ele I ever got is Line 1 on HelmT arm.

[wicked horizon]

Blue name I've never seen. 👀

[swift mango]

[swift mango]

It's Rosy.

[cedar orbit]

my Cindy had 2 black Elemental lines until the temp lock incident

[shell hazel]

the temp lock incident? 😮

I had black line ele on Rapi

I think it's the only great piece I had yet 😄

[swift mango]

Stop flexing.

4 black line Ele when?

[cedar orbit]

I was rolling on line 1, didn't notice line 3 had no lock, I saved it

I have a black line def instead

[shell hazel]

I had black line CS on crown lol

had to roll it off

probably best thing I have on all my units

[swift mango]

I have C.Dmg on crown and never roll it off.

In fact my crown has zero ATK or Ele.

[shell hazel]

I have 20% atk on crown, atk crown

[cedar orbit]

people rolling for atk and ele on their 0 dmg supports are psychopaths

[cedar orbit]

I remember a guy here, we were trying to make a Scarlet Jackal for him, but it turned out his Naga had 4 attack lines, taking link from Scarlet

[swift mango]

100% Ele Crown deal good dmg to Elec, buffed by RH.

🏃‍♂️

[shell hazel]

I had a similar issue with Noir but it was only 1 atk line and it wasn't intentional

but my scarlet has low atk, she needs more work

[cedar orbit]

be like the whale in my bracket, roll with 0 attack Emilia and full attack supports, so she dodges S.Anis

[swift mango]

Or just bring higher ATK RH + taunter/ higher attacker in her team

[cedar orbit]

every tauner flops after a few shots of SR.Anis

[swift mango]

Biscuit gaming

[cedar orbit]

what I say, Anis keeps shooting Noah, Noah taunts away 1 missile, the other missile keeps nuking everyone else

[swift mango]

Just add tia.

ASS can be Scarlet easily or stalled out by Cindy. Not the most reliable for DEF these days. You often only use her for ATK.

[cedar orbit]

no

[glad meteor]

PvP is bugged again, please wait till the battle ends

Live leaderboards, and this shi happens

[glad meteor]

Nero moran moran noah mana

[glad meteor]

Sanis being outstalled by Cindy is kind of

[keen vapor]

https://x.com/blyoof/status/1893912392741929455?s=19

bloof 🫧 (@blyoof) on X

@ShitpostRock Foreman: The game files are verified, House. It has to be the drivers.

House: No. If it were the drivers, it wouldn’t have passed verification.

Cameron: Maybe a corrupted install? We should redownload—

House: It’s not the install. The game loads fine, it just crashes.

X · Feb 24, 2025, 6:34 AM

[zinc lion]

no, we don't want bans to be handle solely by a bot, a moderator or a community team member will review someone's activity on the server before and then decide if it's ban worthy or not

[cedar orbit]

they would probably ban Blood on accident

[tropic summit]

@swift mango you've been spared it seems

[keen vapor]

The end 😭
https://x.com/blyoof/status/1893965109468287088?t=Aq1qT0P0RHyzPJPL3yrd7w&s=19

bloof 🫧 (@blyoof) on X

@Klab51945453 @ShitpostRock [Final Scene: House’s office. House is lounging in his chair, tossing a stress ball against the wall. Foreman and Wilson walk in. Wilson is holding his Steam Deck, already annoyed.]

Foreman: So that’s it? The GPU just got old?

House: That’s how electronics work, Foreman. Not

X · Feb 24, 2025, 10:04 AM

[tropic summit]

yeah it's a time window "bug"

merry already reported a thread open about this on this discord

Essentially, if the indom target dies in that brief window of application, she receives healing, but she's already dead (note her HP)

[keen vapor]

This me, all the time

[tropic summit]

opponent might be smart, an alternative would be to make a full CP padded team and force opponent to pick the 2 meta teams, ideally one involves indom the other involves a noah stall team

[tropic summit]

weak DNA

[tropic summit]

officer, he went that way

[strong hull]

[umbral belfry]

reshuffle soon

[tropic summit]

1 more day

and then judgment will come

[umbral belfry]

All I hafta do is survive

altho that did attack me but def won

[tropic summit]

your superior cookin' showing

[umbral belfry]

[cedar orbit]

can't wait for SU to shuffle in 3 more whales

[tropic summit]

you'd get bored just hugging ch1, surely

[umbral belfry]

as long as I'm out of this bracket or this other guy is, idc

[tropic summit]

the rizzler

[umbral belfry]

[tropic summit]

he's gonna be heartbroken if he's separated

[umbral belfry]

and I'd be clacking my feet and going 'yippie!!!'

[whole pawn]

ik, it's better that way

[upper grove]

How did the rizzler actually start rizzling though

[tropic summit]

his bio with interesting messages specifically for hime

lad is a true ~~stalker ~~loverboy

[fathom rock]

Ill add this to times i lost tries due to bugs

[tropic summit]

aye, unfortunate

[glad meteor]

Cast time, need to trigger indom faster

[fathom rock]

Thanks to that im now dia 1 and will keep it for a total of 15h

[tropic summit]

oh no, what rank you aiming for?

[fathom rock]

2.4k

[glad meteor]

Is tough, when not many options

[tropic summit]

hmm might be salvagable then

[fathom rock]

I just want 2.4k

[glad meteor]

I want 3k

[tropic summit]

aim for ch6 and kick out anyone directly above in points againt you

send them to dia ideally

[glad meteor]

We get more gems from skipping pvp units

[fathom rock]

I have many options but the enemy stupidly high cp is pain
Also jackal link almost ded before burst

[glad meteor]

Yeah, combat power diff so less options

[upper grove]

that's so weird

[tropic summit]

bro might be a lurker here we'll never know

[upper grove]

true, how else could he know just from ingame sp arena

[shell hazel]

we still holding chal 1 here no one tried any funny business lately

[tropic summit]

tomorrow is the day

remember le plan.

call it the "rat denier"

[shell hazel]

the rat trap

🐀

[fathom rock]

Pls make reshuffle fix me

[upper grove]

25 hours until reset

[keen vapor]

Pls make reshuffle have mercy

[keen vapor]

Me:

[strange linden]

I don't think that's possible since all my top 5 opponents have at least 20lvl+ than me, but I feel like they are trying to brute force my comp and see what works rather than using an appropriate counter

[proud relic]

can u help me with rookie arena too pls

[tropic summit]

sure, run this for rookie

[proud relic]

thx

[jagged sedge]

How good is Helm burst generation when ypu have her skill 1 maxxed?

[bleak shale]

Check burst gen calc it's been up since she got treasure

Don't have it on hand atm

[jagged sedge]

I have her skill 1 at 8

Still feela slow though :/

[tropic summit]

best battery ingame, her own tier

[cedar orbit]

she is hot

[bleak shale]

slow? did u put her with like 4mg or smth

r u sure u have treasure?

[whole pawn]

@tropic summit

[jagged sedge]

Yea i have her on my odd 3rd team, Moran, Anis, emi, helm, and winter Maiden

[tropic summit]

isn't that the same opponent with same lineup you beaten before? 🤔 where's your scar jack team for T2

[whole pawn]

forgive me, I forgor

[whole pawn]

I climbed from dia to chal 8, this guy is chal 7

I have one attempt

[tropic summit]

wew going all in are we

well nothing to lose either way

either way for T2 scar-jack or that cindy team should do

[whole pawn]

I don't remember scar jack team

maybe wait

[tropic summit]

found it

#pvp-arena message

you should consider archiving your wins, makes your life easier if you ever re-challange them and lineups is unchanged

you ran scar grave liter tia jackal

double check CP just in case it has changed, for the rest should be guaranteed

[whole pawn]

ok

let's just cope now

[lone hill]

hi guys

yesterday I was testing with you guys my arena teams

and you guys said that I need some change

Im going to repost the video so can remember

[vapid lake]

raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa overclock sim room

[tropic summit]

who's next opponents

your teams likely can take care of enemies up till challangerish or dia1

just need to avoid using scar team against noah on faster speed or using diesel against scarlet on enemy side

[shell hazel]

cheating!

[swift mango]

@quick lake

You could see if the formula was round up for cube and line. My Noise with 2.57+1.59 would be 5%. Noah with 4.92 would also be 5%. But no, my Noise was faster and stole taunt from Noah.

[tropic summit]

wait, the one slower should get aggro priority

taunt is overwrite mechanic based on the last one to apply it

[swift mango]

Yes. They would be same speed if the formula was like Rheax said.

[eager mountain]

well the tested stat is literally above my msg there
just that it allows noise to contribute both offensive and defensive buff

[swift mango]

@tropic summit

[tropic summit]

[unique mountain]

[tropic summit]

why does my noise and noah not work like yours (noise has more CS%, noah gets taunt priority)

[glad meteor]

So noah and noise have same cs?

[swift mango]

Both would be 5% and same speed so Noise can't steal from Noah. But noise stole it.

[swift mango]

No. In theory of the CN formula it should. But turn out Noise still slower.

[tropic summit]

@eager mountain

[eager mountain]

[lone hill]

this is the next guy

[glad meteor]

Same CS? Position + noah is inherently faster ?

[swift mango]

Noise doesn't steal if I put her in p5 though. So position matters regarding bullet flying speed.

[tropic summit]

isn't it the exact same guy as last time

but ye can run the teams as is, go

[glad meteor]

I think that’s normal then. Same CS is position dependant, but I don’t remember the positioning priorities, so I just use adjutant to confirm

[swift mango]

NoahP1+NoiseP2 same speed, Noah would always be the one who taunts. We know this from having 0% CS on both.

[lone hill]

is other guy rank 44

[glad meteor]

[tropic summit]

go get em, should win with as is selection

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

[eager mountain]

noah's special projectile is slower?

[swift mango]

No, it's just p1 hit later than p2.

[eager mountain]

so its pretty much the same speed unlike la+

[swift mango]

If you switch 0% CS Noise to P1, Noise would taunt instead of 0% Noah.

[lone hill]

now I rank 44

[swift mango]

[glad meteor]

I already used hits on my alt, so I can’t test same CS noah noise

[swift mango]

It's old knowledge.

[tropic summit]

ok aim for someone higher up let's continue

[swift mango]

From god comp day

That's why old player always advise 0% CS on both.

[eager mountain]

gonna test each non regular proj's speed like emi's rapun's etc and thought noah's diff

[tropic summit]

[eager mountain]

[lone hill]

the new options are the rank 17, 22 and 36

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

17, all in

show teams

[tropic summit]

on same CS% right?

with adjutant you'd reverse them?

[swift mango]

So either 1.59 cube is rounded to 1-1.5% or this formular is wrong.

[tropic summit]

[glad meteor]

Doesn’t the CS formula we use say they have same CS

[lone hill]

here

[glad meteor]

Yeah, you can see the original question

[eager mountain]

why is this diff

[tropic summit]

jackaless scarlet in p4 jesus le christ those opponents

[tropic summit]

you're cooked by CP tho, pick whoever is above than rank 17

[south panther]

omg I got my first win since I've been back... and its against someone with higher CP than me in the rookie arena

I can consistently win against their team yippeee

[lone hill]

rank 16?

[eager mountain]

u know that their team isnt even sync'd

[tropic summit]

to give you an idea, 640k CP vs 841k CP is 24% CP deficit, e.g. impossible for you to win

[south panther]

my team :

[south panther]

yes I know.. but this is the most progress I've made in Pvp so far... and they are just under twice my level

[lone hill]

so instead of above you should say below

[glad meteor]

Just bring rh buffed cindy and hope their team garbo

[tropic summit]

yep correct, opponents with teams at most 740k are within your range of doable

as that'd be 14% cp deficit, within range of non-deficit penalty

[swift mango]

According to this. Each unique line would round before adding to each other. Same % would combine and round before combine again.

2.12% CS cube is round down to 2% before combine.

1.59% cube should be round up to 2% before combine. But this could be wrong. Because they never mentioned 1.59% in this fomular.

But 2.57% would be 3% according to this chart. So if 1.59% be 2%. Noise would be 5%.

Noah would be 4.92 round up to 5% as well.

But it's not the case at all. Noise was only around 4-4.5% at best. So she steals taunt at p2. And doesn't steal at p5.

@quick lake

[eager mountain]

so same cs noah p1 noise p2 does noise taunt or noah yall saying 2 versions

[lone hill]

Im going to try rank 24

[tropic summit]

sure, send screen again

FYI this is the penalty we're trying to avoid

[tropic summit]

CP looks doable, let's see teams

[swift mango]

If both have 0% CS, Noah would always taunt.

[glad meteor]

That’s assuming noah and noise have the same projectile speed and distance they’re targetting.

Something something pythagoras which I’m too lazy to calculate

At same CS p1 noah doesn’t have taunt prio over p2 noise, noah also has an inherently faster projectiles iirc

[tropic summit]

run teams like these:

T1 and T2 are likely to win, T3 is gonna have to try really hard

[swift mango]

They have the same.

Like wtf... Just @coarse lake Eon

[glad meteor]

Why does eon put his noah in p5

And noise in p1

[eager mountain]

[swift mango]

?

[glad meteor]

For god comp

[tropic summit]

i'd assume it is to split tank

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

higher CS% noise would tank only early on, while noah gets second wave of hits due to taunt?

[swift mango]

Higher CS noise would not taunt and Noah would taunt...

[tropic summit]

noise still gets 1st wave of hits during 1RL-2RL range

for being in p1

noah then taunts and gets the rest up until 3RL and burst

[swift mango]

1st wave of hit ofc you need to hit once to taunt.

[tropic summit]

= split tank

that's enough to get a noise to live even being in p1

(pre burst)

[swift mango]

The taunt only start after Noah and Noise hit...

[lone hill]

like this?

[swift mango]

So after 1st RL...

[umbral belfry]

time to survive until tomorrow

[tropic summit]

wait, positioning is wrong

please make the teams like in the screenshot, in order

also rapunzel isn't supposed to be in scarlet team so be careful

[lone hill]

oh wait I read it wrong

[tropic summit]

scarlet blanc rh xmaiden jackal
noah rapunzel alice la+ tia
diesel centi helmT biscuit noise

then just put them against the respective teams on the right

[dim sapphire]

bruh found one of my nemesis on blabla.

#1 enemy actually

W

dirty ahh gemmer

[swift mango]

Hmmm do your Noah and Nosie have same CS?

[swift mango]

Could be he used 2 hit both days.

[dim sapphire]

used 200

[swift mango]

Or the 4 free ones

[bleak shale]

is that marked on their blabla

Lmao

[glad meteor]

No

[dim sapphire]

nah i know he doesnt have the free one no more. he gemmed

[glad meteor]

I got a black line noah, and 5 + 2 on noise

Trapped, had to spend rocks for CS on noise, couldn’t let a black line go to waste

[lone hill]

ready?

[glad meteor]

On my alt I have same CS since barely even have OLs

[umbral belfry]

How do you even find your ops on blabla?

[swift mango]

Then test it on your Auto. Both 0% no?

Noah+Noise gogo

[glad meteor]

I use my rookie hits already

[swift mango]

This early?

[glad meteor]

I don’t like keeping my hits now, I’m trying not to care about arena rank

Game broke me

[jagged sedge]

We have a team of people working together on our pvp server.

[tropic summit]

why are you running mirror scarlet that's not the order

[swift mango]

How about doing Noise p1, Noah p5 on your main?

[lone hill]

F

[tropic summit]

you can drag and drop the entire teams in the team selection, no need to add em 1 by 1 in case you didn't know

[swift mango]

To see if Noah steal from Noise?

[glad meteor]

Noah taunt prio? Noise already has more CS, I usually use adjutant cube and I haven’t had an unintended target yet. If I had to guess, 1% CS enough to switch prio.

[swift mango]

7% vs 6%.

1% difference with different positioning.

Then you could do Noise p5 without CS Cube. And Noah p1. So 5% vs 6%.

[lone hill]

F I run the fight I lose bc I didn't read properly, sorry ex genshin player here, but I going to save this pic and try again tomorrow

in anycase thanks again Railtracer 🙂

[swift mango]

Jackaless Scarlet p1. Rapu or Mana rev her. Rossana Sacc her.

🏃‍♂️

[tropic summit]

sick strats, now if only the opponent knew

[jagged sedge]

Can Rosanna take out Red Hood if she has high enough attack and burst level?\

[dim sapphire]

match their name if u can find it. not gaurantee

[swift mango]

Not against equally invested RH.

[glad meteor]

Noise prio 1% not enough

Noise 2.28 + 4.92
Noah 6.09

[swift mango]

That's for sure

[jagged sedge]

I see.

[swift mango]

Bruh ... 2.26? Is this another Cs line?