pvp-arena

[shell hazel]

are they are in your sp-arena?

[hollow lagoon]

This person is not in my sp arena

[shell hazel]

ah was going to see if any of that paid off in sp-arena for them

[hollow lagoon]

Wouldn’t know

Investing in PvP is like starving your resource gain

[shell hazel]

I have to do a bit of both to compete, but not incorrect

[hollow lagoon]

Like me let him farm me in rookie and I out sync him in 2 month and now tables turn

[shell hazel]

striking a balance, doing even some basic pvp investment beats most people though

[hollow lagoon]

Tbh units like helm, mana, redhood and Cinderella does both

So it’s not like you have 0 investment in PvP

[shell hazel]

yes correct

[hollow lagoon]

But going hard into Jackal/biscuit is kinda yikes

[shell hazel]

too much there certainly

Blanc for Scarlet comp she also works in pve

Noir/xMaiden for burst gen units do decently well in pve as well

[hollow lagoon]

I pulled scarlet recently ish

Didn’t get a chance to play with her yet

[shell hazel]

she is OK too, she doesn't do crazy numbers for my solo raid teams but not awful/somewhat usable

not finished building mine, she needs a bit more investment than say biscuit or jackal though

[hollow lagoon]

But I pulled TQuancy super early on so she’s my nuker instead cuz she’s my major water dps

[shell hazel]

for units like biscuit/jackal I do basic OL where I can and basic doll but I don't think I could ever really get them to SR-15

4/4/4 skills type of deal

[hollow lagoon]

Man I don’t even go over sr5 for most nikkes

[shell hazel]

a lot of my pvp ones are still R-0 tbh

[hollow lagoon]

Yup

[shell hazel]

lack the materials yet, boosting Cindy from SR-10 to SR-15 when I can

as you said she works in both so my plan was to get strong Cindy / RH for core team use

[hollow lagoon]

I didn’t know the doll stuff at first so I accidentally sr 15 my Rouge Lel

[shell hazel]

yeah I def wasted some materials as I went along

not to that level maybe but I was using wrong materials in wrong places

[shell hazel]

and not knowing when to swap to SR dolls

[hollow lagoon]

I taught my sync 410friend that last Sunday he had a 40 second facepalm

[shell hazel]

my highest CP is RH at 66K but you do get jumps in CP at 241 / 261

[hollow lagoon]

Yep

[shell hazel]

am interested to see what 241 gives

[hollow lagoon]

Expect a 8/9kteam cp jump at 241/261

[shell hazel]

I hope so 🙂

you should be able to clear chapter 32 easily enough

[hollow lagoon]

I basically kept track of cp/ level

[hollow lagoon]

Lel 409k cp first stage I can hit up to 455 but end boss of 32 is mirror container

[shell hazel]

this was good as of my progress anyway

it is yeah, but more outpost levels

[hollow lagoon]

I use rapunzel over naga cuz I spam shots for burst gen

[shell hazel]

RH does that

actually Helm is amazing for it sort of as well

[hollow lagoon]

My rh is not very strong

[shell hazel]

if I can build my Helm strong enough going to see if she can become new off-burst in campaign for a bit

[hollow lagoon]

My ol gear are level 2 I don’t really go higher than that

I tried

Problem is her healing exists but is low af

[shell hazel]

yeah I know what you mean

though if you burst it's very strong on her

should scale up a bit as she gets stronger though

[hollow lagoon]

Yeah but I don’t have phase 3

[shell hazel]

me neither - need 50 more so 17 more days

[hollow lagoon]

That roll on helm is pretty premium tho

[shell hazel]

it is but low values

good stats

[hollow lagoon]

I’ll reroll %

When I have the meth

[shell hazel]

yeah CS one is OK there but the other two are super low

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-walter-white-jesse-pinkman-heisenberg-vince-gilligan-gif-17016123874427286459

[hollow lagoon]

Elysion attack helmet and chest ain’t dropping for me atm so I’m not in a hurry

80% of my characters are working with default ol rolls

[shell hazel]

is the standard way you can't really even whale for rocks properly 😄

[hollow lagoon]

Even my account is scared of whaling meth

I’m not ready for kraken yet cus my SBS has 0 elemental rolls and my wind team is my weakest element atm

[shell hazel]

5 rocks? $50 easy lol

[hollow lagoon]

Mean while my snipers likes to roll hit rate

[shell hazel]

I get 4 on kraken at best just using normal team

rh/cindy etc

[hollow lagoon]

I think my kraken is at 3

[shell hazel]

if I can get 4 you can

[hollow lagoon]

I can

[digital fractal]

I assume you all are missing sbs Alice?

[hollow lagoon]

Kraken is just not my priority

My Alice and sbs have bad rolls

[digital fractal]

Summer Sakura or mana are good alts to Alice for easier time

[shell hazel]

not properly invested

[hollow lagoon]

We are kinda new so no summer units

But I use mana yes

[shell hazel]

this on auto gets me 4

[digital fractal]

Ah I see

[hollow lagoon]

I been skeptical of putting Cindy in kraken

[digital fractal]

She dies instantly lol at stage 5 I assume

[hollow lagoon]

It’s like crown on indivilia

[hollow lagoon]

We r too weak for stage 5 anyway

[shell hazel]

yeah I barely get into 4 on kraken at least

[digital fractal]

Yeah need more sync levels

[shell hazel]

I say auto but I do need to manual RH B1 once near the start to make it more reliable 😄

[hollow lagoon]

I’m busy farming gear first I’ll prob kraken when I hit 300

[shell hazel]

yeah I actually need more ammo back on cindy as I rolled it off earlier for ele instead 😄

I don't think I hit 4 as reliably anymore every M counts

[hollow lagoon]

My Cindy have lucky rolls

3 lines of atk 3 lines of ele and 2 lines of ammo

And I only rolled 2 piece of gear like 2-3 times

[shell hazel]

yeah I can't claim the same luck sadly 😄

[hollow lagoon]

Most of my other units have proper bad rolls

My rouge have 3 lines of hit rate

When her gear are like 2 line each

I wanna roll but she supporter lel no rock

Meanwhile my crown has charge speed and charge damage

[shell hazel]

my crown has black line CS lol

completely pointless but cp pad I guess

[hollow lagoon]

I only have 1 black line

Crit rate on my Thief Quancy

Which is actually useful

[solemn matrix]

Arena Change Vouchers for rocks when.

[umbral crown]

Tomorrow, trust

[dim sapphire]

use to but they removed it lol

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/nicolascage-breezy-smiling-feelinggood-niceweather-gif-4961337

day 1 player who hoard ticks when it happens

[umbral crown]

But what if im day 365

Or 425

Yesterday marked 1 year playing

Still no RH

[eager mountain]

so joined right after rh and sbs banner

[umbral crown]

Yes, during maid privaty banner

But for sbs does not really matter, i did pull during her rerun and already got her C1

[umbral belfry]

@shell hazel first you jinx my t9m, now you jinxed Eva 1st collab reruns confirmed

are any of them decent in pvp tho i know that Asuka is p good for raids right?

[raven plover]

rei screen wipe is good but shes mg and we have cindy so..

[vapid lake]

I thought it was "we have kilo"

[raven plover]

kilo is risky shield gone burst gonna be useless iirc other than that yea kilo is fine

[swift mango]

She is better than Kilo

[vapid lake]

Kilo cuter tho

[swift mango]

no

[quick lake]

Arguably Rei and Mari are good.. at least for CA

[vapid lake]

We all know CA getting delayed again march announcement: delayed until 2026

[grizzled bone]

2077*

[vapid lake]

Damn nikke will be live for that long

[grizzled bone]

nah but they did say 20 year life span is their plan

[eager mountain]

20 is pretty long

[vapid lake]

U saw new chapter poster?

[eager mountain]

So liberalio in 17 years

[grizzled bone]

EoS countdown to 2042

[eager mountain]

Yeah

Poor leviathan

[vapid lake]

Playable levi soon

[eager mountain]

Tho rip no liberalio

As if liberalio gonna save her instead of other beasts… no way

[rich quail]

2035

So I have said before

So it shall be done

The prophecy

#pvp-arena message

[tropic summit]

well you learned the lesson of not running mirror scarlet... they've rosanna on their side, she breaks your jackal link at 2RL, which generally leads a scarlet on 3RL to her death before she gets to burst, also doesn't help that rosanna is a B1 which means she'll oneshot your scarlet pre B2 and B3 (pre blanc indom/noah shield)

to help you undestand, this is a 2RL team against a 2RL scar-jack-rosanna, watch how B1 still lands before noah can get her shield up

(noise and SBS are hit by ros B1)

[nocturne arrow]

i cant win agains him and tomorrow he will take that 1st place
how to defeat him?

[vapid lake]

I have won against this team be4 but the units require high investment

Is rapi b3 and laplace treasure

[tropic summit]

i'm familiar with that team, 3RL single buff s.anis can work it out

in your case, you seem to lack RH, might aswell try: noah biscuit s.anis sbs jackal

you should expect something like this, sadly i lack a similar noise jackal linked 3RL opponent

[oblique magnet]

dang, there is a whale fighting tooth and nail for 4th place, lol. this season alone, he has spent at least 300 gems

like, 4-7 get the same rewards...lol

[vapid lake]

Maybe he saved his 4 free attacks from months ago until now

[oblique magnet]

possible. i still have mine, lol. but he's probably used them a while ago. he's been doing this since last season as well, but i wasn't keeping tabs. he's a pretty big spender it looks like, so i imagine 100 gems is nothing to him. I'm also not the only one fighting for 4. basically everyone in top 4-7 does musical chairs

though if one thinks about it, he's probably spending attempts on rank 3, but failing. otherwise, why so active in attacking 4? hmmm

[pastel owl]

rookie arena 2RL cindy / scarlet can't win over 3RL noah-noise-biscuit
cindy burst seems to get two or three hits before noah kicks in
scar burst seems to land but not only did tiny damage
am i slow or is is normal for 3RL noise burst 1 kicks in before 2RL burst 3?
appreciate any wisdom

[tropic summit]

against a noah you want to prefer DPS oriented B3s over delayed nuke oriented B3s, unless you're certain to catch them with 1RL difference, especially in cindy case

enemy team is not really 3RL, but faster due to jackal, enough to land B2 while your cindy nuke has not snapshotted yet

scarlet team instead, while being instant nuke, has extra feed due to AR (scarlet) on enemy jackal, makes them faster than 3RL and enough to catch your nuke with their B2

a rosanna here would probably work wonders, as she'd break the link at 2RL and kill linked nikke or at the very least s.anis 🤔

something perhaps like this

another option would be an invested indom emi, s10 + atk% OLs wouldn't let even a jackal linked noise survive, leaving only invulnerable nikke alive, killing them post nuke

[swift mango]

With your line up I would try.

Blanc+noise+Rumani+Biscuit+Cindy.

[limber rampart]

can win? my thelm s1 just lv8

[coarse lake]

they seem a bit faster than 3rl

also you're a bit slower than 2rl

good data tho, their noise b1'ed before cindy b3 happened (heal tick happened a good bit before the screen darkened from cindy

gotta have it so screen darkens from b3 before their noise heal

or at least same time I think

[pastel owl]

dont have rosanna or emi, should admit opponent does cook a defense that requires a high investment to break then
dont think i can slow him down though
also thinking if t.helm s3 could snipe s.anis when i get there later

[coarse lake]

is helm treasured and s1 lvl 10

you even got lucky that their p2 was taunt prio, so you got more gen than you normally would

[pastel owl]

s1 lv 7, but i run the calcuator that is should be 2 rl

[coarse lake]

this is your noah's 2nd hit, you need to have bursted by here

you prob overestimated cindy's slightly rng gen

who's using quantum and what lvl

[pastel owl]

centi has quantum lv 3 cube
can speed up a tiny bit by using jackel myself with quantum lv 3 cube ig, but no idea if it will be faster
noah has 3 cs line, so she is in fact faster than any other rl in the screen

[coarse lake]

hmm

is your helm phase 2

[pastel owl]

yes

[coarse lake]

s1 lvl 7 helm should subtract 3.9 gen from 2rl, but that should still be enough... esp since you got additional gen from p2 taunt

[swift mango]

Their team is around 2.6rl.

Noise was able to trigger before Cindy.

Cindy landed 5 hit but non crit and couldn't even get anyone HP below half.

Noah triggered and you lose.

They probably won't even need Noah to win this considering how weak your Cindy is. Anchor would probably do.

[pastel owl]

no way my maxed everything cindy is too weak 😭

[swift mango]

LV difference

[valid fern]

But is she core 7

[coarse lake]

how did you judge that they're 2.6rl

[swift mango]

Well, Noise needs 2.7 RL to catch 2rl Cindy. And she heal before Cindy a bit so 2.6rl.

[coarse lake]

problem is that he's not exactly 2rl

like 2.1-2.2rl

I think he's relying on an extra cindy hit for the last gen, rather than noah hit

[swift mango]

?

[coarse lake]

this is when he should have been full bar, when noah lands her hit

[stray wadi]

Usually you didn't need to get a new copy since it automatically updates, but since values has been changed, you would need a new copy instead of just waiting for it to update.

[swift mango]

Noah should have some CS while Noise or someone else has zero.

[coarse lake]

hmm wait, nvm, centi is the last one to shoot in 2rl

enemy noise b1 heal tick didn't seem right for 2.6rl, seemed a lot closer to 3rl

[swift mango]

Noise steal Noah taunt there.

See noise HP.

Wait this one is too early but anyway.

[coarse lake]

that shouldn't change things except make his 2rl very very slightly slower than 2rl due to extra distance that centi's shot had to travel

[pastel owl]

yea cus noah cs line make her slightly faster
but it should not give opponent extra feed ig?

[swift mango]

It's doesn't make much difference. maybe 1 more frame.

[swift mango]

Yeah, no extra Regen with your positioning.

[coarse lake]

hmmm

trying to judge the gap between cindy and noise, and cindy and noah

it's about.... 30% or so of the way from noise timing to noah shield timing that cindy's hit works (although snapshot may be a tad bit earlier)

assuming gatrix's burst sequence timings are right... enemy is approx 2.7rl

altho, what's interesting is that biscuit did receive both hits

cindy just too weak to even kill her

[swift mango]

No one received 2 hit in that team... Maybe Noah because I don't look at her immune.

Biscuit also only 1 hit.

[coarse lake]

biscuit did, watch her hp

takes 2 massive chunks, each time from about a 1.4mil hit

[pastel owl]

yea i only see this hit and is alr after noah proc

[swift mango]

Yeah, she got his twice. Mb

[coarse lake]

I don't think there's enough dmg procs from the linked units for any to receive a second hit, but it's a bit hard to see, ig divide biscuit's dmg by approx 3, and look for shared hits of 400k-500k

[swift mango]

Burst started at her position

[coarse lake]

first one, 479k

[swift mango]

I still stand that it's 2.6rl.

[coarse lake]

I wanna see how many is found, 3 probably

[pastel owl]

why the second hit proc so late or is it just display delay?

[swift mango]

I guess 1-2 frame (I assume 1) per hit. And Cindy does 10 hits.

If I assume 1 frame per hit and she does 10 hit then it takes about 0.25 RL to finish. If I assume 2 frame per hit then it takes about 0.5rl to finish

[coarse lake]

I only saw 2...

a second hit of a bit over 500k, prob sanis or noise target

[coarse lake]

cindy hits don't happen at equal intervals

[swift mango]

I doubt Cindy burst take 0.5 RL to finish, ain't no way.

[swift mango]

Try 0.25 speed, they do.

[frank ingot]

can I ask if how you guys win against scarlet/xanne/noir/rosanna/jackal?

[swift mango]

The phone I'm using only do 0.5 speed. At 0.25 speed you could see each tick of dmg on different frame.

[quick lake]

Such a weird case

[swift mango]

No 2 tick happened on same frame.

[limber rampart]

17% deficit can i win with 3rl?

[coarse lake]

for it to be 2.6rl, cindy burst should have been in the middle between noise burst and noah activation

it's a lot closer to noise burst

[umbral belfry]

p1 cindy

[coarse lake]

and that's considering cindy burst "start" at same delay as noise, as in when you actually see the left bright beam, if you go by screen darken, it's much much closer to noise

[umbral belfry]

unless if i'm mistaken, if you have a bisc + defender doesn't that hard counter alice?

[coarse lake]

seeing how biscuit still managed to get double hit, while linked units somehow only got 2 hit, there's some.... iffyness between snapshots

[quick lake]

I think its jackal feed bringing the opponent to <2.4RL

[coarse lake]

biscuit is hit 3-5

[swift mango]

You kinda force my hand to switch to the phone at could do 0.25 speed.

[coarse lake]

the linked units took the first 2 hits, noah still wildcard

[coarse lake]

no way it's sub 2.5

[swift mango]

Let me see at slowest speed.

[limber rampart]

thats my issue no any biscuit

[umbral belfry]

oh no

[coarse lake]

assuming the 5th hit is the third linked, it means that biscuit's 2nd hit (hit 8 or slower) snapshotted before hit 5

although it could just be link messing things up

bc there are 2 linked targets with earlier hit prio than biscuit, so they should have gotten repeats

... link might force it to unsnapshot

that's the only explanation I can think of, explains why 1 of the linked units got 0 hits, and how no linked units got repeat hit, despite biscuit (who's later target than 2 linked units) getting 2nd hit

maybe it's the extra calc step, of having to divide the dmg by 3, that breaks the snapshot and forces it to obey noah invuln

[valid fern]

Yall not analyzing frame by frame?

[coarse lake]

if your cindy had more dmg (net neutral cindy here (technically a bit net negative)), and they didn't have jackal, it would have worked

noise sustain more than offsets noise buff to cindy (which is actually very smol in comparison)

so you're working with slightly net negative buff cindy already

[umbral belfry]

t2 should def win bc their cindy p1 gives you a lot of burst and im assuming you have helmt? idk about t1 tho, i am no cook sorry. maybe someone else can help

[coarse lake]

rechecked it, the last linked hit they took was right before real time noah invuln went up

so yeah jackal link forces cindy main hits to obey real time noah invuln

breaks the snapshot

[swift mango]

Okay the thing that actually happened was they only landed 3 hits.(Not counting Noah)

The first hit on linked Noise. So you see 3 dmg instances.

The 2nd hit on linked ASS, so you see 3 dmg instances.

The 3rd hit on Biscuit, which got her HP to 10%.

The next hit is immuned.

Your Cindy wasn't weak at all.

[limber rampart]

i got thelm phase 2 s1 lv8, lv10 need 4day, phase 3 need 1 more month

[coarse lake]

cindy still weak, 2 main hits on biscuit couldn't kill

he wasn't winning even if jackal didn't ruin snapshot without lucky crit

[swift mango]

Only 1

[coarse lake]

biscuit took 2 main hits

dropped down to like 10% hp

hmmm... this is a bit of a problem for cindy

anyone got vids of 2rl cindy vs 3rl noah jackal

I need to verify if jackal link recalc works at full 1rl diff

[swift mango]

I don't think Biscuit could get 2 hit in the same frame this "second hit" should be Cindy DoT dmg that crited.

[coarse lake]

but yeah, bigger than 0.5rl time diff should still let cindy get 2 main hits off on everyone if jackal link isn't present, so it's not actually a timing issue here

[coarse lake]

it's much later

[coarse lake]

.

the additional dmg procs always obey real time invuln

linked units also force main hits to obey real time invuln

the only 2 hits the linked units took also had the additional hit, so they get blocked at same time as each other

so the main hits on linked units also ended up obeying real time invuln

[pastel owl]

i'm not sure i understand what u mean, is it that my noise buff to cindy do less than the opponent's noise hp buff (net negative)?

[swift mango]

maybe we are on to something here. Notice the time stamp on my record. 2 hit on Biscuit one after another rather than moving on to Jackal?

[coarse lake]

it's never one after another, all the hits inbetween the biscuit hits got blocked by realtime invuln

also there's too much delay between the two hits anyway for it to be actually back to back in the hit chain

pretty sure what's going on is that by being linked, it forces cindy main hits on those linked units to also obey real time invulns

meanwhile unlinked biscuit can still snapshot the second hit

[swift mango]

You see, each hit has 0:03 distance in my record at 0.25 speed.

And these 3 pics are 0:03 after each other.

That's one after another. Nothing in between.

[coarse lake]

the delay is too big, watch the first 3 hits (2 linked and 1 biscuit)

the next hit always happened before the number from previous disappeared

biscuit's first hit number disappeared fully before second hit popped up, there's a longer delay

[swift mango]

First hit here at 0:22

Second hit at 0:24 as above

[coarse lake]

second hit popping up, first hit still there above

third hit (biscuit) popping up, second hit still there

[swift mango]

The delayed number doesn't matter. When you play at slower speed the number disappeared.

[coarse lake]

biscuit second hit popping up, first hit already ascended to heaven earlier

[pastel owl]

🤔

[median flare]

is this help?

#pvp-arena message

[swift mango]

Well, the record doesn't lie. It's 0:02 between first and 2nd hit. 0:03 between 2nd hit and biscuit. And 0:03 between biscuit 2 hits.

There is just no time for more than 1 hit in between .

[coarse lake]

you're not counting frames precisely enough

[coarse lake]

I assume the 3 linked units lived until invuln was over?

[swift mango]

And how to count the timer that already written below each pic?

[coarse lake]

same deal happened there, invuln units forced cindy main hits to obey, only saw 3 hits on linked instead of 6

[coarse lake]

bruh the timer is nowhere near as precise as it needs to be

[median flare]

#pvp-arena message
this is actual video

[swift mango]

Because? Your eyes are better than the hard number?

Or I'm trying to trick you with Photoshop?

[coarse lake]

bc the timing is very off based on the dmg numbers

[swift mango]

What's off about that?

[coarse lake]

unless you're claiming dmg numbers disappear at different rates

[swift mango]

Dmg number in slow mode fade faster than full speed.

That's why I used it to see the fight easier.

[coarse lake]

what slow mode

[quick lake]

@coarse lake u’re right

I managed to replicate this

[coarse lake]

in the same viewing method the dmg numbers should fade at same rate

[quick lake]

Gimme a sec to send my vid

[swift mango]

This is the exacted time of the first hit. 0:21

[quick lake]

2RL opponent, vs my 2.5Rl Scar Noah Jack

[swift mango]

The numbers fade after 0:01. So you don't see such this at 2 dmg instances on top of each others.

[quick lake]

Jackal link recalcs, un-snapshots Cindy, and Noah’s Invuln applies to linked units

[coarse lake]

0.6 gap (idk units used here) between hit 1 and 2

0.57 between 2 and 3

0.97 between biscuit 1st and second

[coarse lake]

yeah the only 2 cindy hits that made it past the invuln were the killing blows on noah and mod

[swift mango]

Since you don't use slomo lemme record it on slomo for you.

[quick lake]

Wow, figured out something new today. Jackal link un-snapshots Cindy’s nuke

[swift mango]

Higher resolution

See, biscuit got 2 dmg instances one after another.

Where it comes from? I don't care at this point

[coarse lake]

maxed zoomed in so I'm moving it by 0.01 each time:
first hit 0.56
second hit 1.12
third hit (biscuit) 1.71
biscuit second hit 2.69

.56 gap between 1 and 2
.59 gap between 2 and 3
.98 gap between 3 and 4

[swift mango]

Idk how you count it but it's still not enough for a full circle.

[coarse lake]

very obvious, you're not looking at it precisely enough

this is 2.69 btw

and this is 2.70

that's how tightly I'm looking at this

[swift mango]

Let's say your eyes are better than screen recording snapshot. It's still not enough for a full 5 hits cycle.

[coarse lake]

you can't even see the immune numbers move between those 2 pics

[swift mango]

I can dude. But it doesn't mean much.

Noah immune is 3 seconds.

[coarse lake]

those aren't seconds

[swift mango]

The dmg just happened nothing to do with Noah immune.

If Noah is up before the dmg registered then there should be no dmg at all.

[coarse lake]

??? no that's not how cindy snapshot works lol

without link present everyone except noah (invuln early duh) would have taken 2 main hits each

that's why biscuit still took her 2 main hits

[swift mango]

And with link everyone with link should take 6 hits each. If Jackal immune then 4.

There's is no such thing otherwise

[coarse lake]

yes, except now the link makes the main hits obey real time (removing snapshot)

[swift mango]

[quick lake]

@swift mango I think this vid shows quite nicely. Seems like indeed jackal link un-snapshots/recalc in real time Cindy’s nuke

Allowing Noah to proc, post Cindy nuke

[swift mango]

If you say it like that then slower Noah without Jackal would never catch Cindy. Except she does.

[coarse lake]

she doesn't

you even have noah shield visual there

wait I got a better vid somewhere

[valid fern]

jackal once again proving she is in another whole ass tier by herself.

[pastel owl]

[valid fern]

never thought i'd be shuttering at the word: unsnapshot

[fast harness]

what a find

[valid fern]

unsnapshots your Cindy

[quick lake]

Didnt we prove Cindy snapshots her nuke dmg, when using Bay to test

[swift mango]

This one doesn't count. Their Noise triggered after your Cindy hit them.

Long after.

[quick lake]

Bay’s cover takes all of Cindy’s nuke. Then afterwards, there were some vids on Noah proc, but Cindy’s snapshot still went through because Cindy proced first

[swift mango]

Well, I guess It's like Eon said but his video still doesn't count.

[quick lake]

Yeah. Rmbed him sending a diff vid last time

[swift mango]

[coarse lake]

couldn't find the exact one, but you can see biscuit get an immune (from additional proc), but still dying to the second hit

[quick lake]

Arena mechanics really held up by ShiftUp’s spaghetti code

[fast harness]

Champ arena gonna get delayed again

[swift mango]

This is still the same as the last video. Their Noise proc'ed long after your Cindy hit.

[coarse lake]

what does that have to do with anything

how else you do think a main dmg hit goes through after the unit already got an immune

[median flare]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1228057524985528350/1312678886542278686/YouCut_20241201_141358724.mp4?ex=67b239ba&is=67b0e83a&hm=869ecfd2a10fc3db6b9e4f9479f2f9f88f010b9db07a5b54b77da786611a487b&

[swift mango]

Well, they should be too late to even care about Noah catching up.

[coarse lake]

??? their noah caught up, do you not see their immune and shield visual

[swift mango]

Maybe she caught up a little too late.

[coarse lake]

yeah serene's vid is even better, everyone except noah died post invuln shield

[fast harness]

that being said this kind of makes sense I guess Jackal link is probably recalculating every hit realtime to split the damage, during this it probably needs to take in real time damage reduction and all that including immunity. I guess the after effect is that it recalculates cindy's damage correctly taking into account noah's immunity.

[quick lake]

Thanks Serene for the clear vid!

[coarse lake]

yeah that's what causes it imo

the recalc of dividing the dmg by 3 forces it to update and thus get unsnapshotted

[quick lake]

Spaghetti code

[pastel owl]

i still have attempts, if need test anything let me know

[swift mango]

This looks better than Eon's Video. Thanks.

And R.I.P

[median flare]

not mine anyway

[coarse lake]

cindy has like a.... half dozen quirks at this point

[median flare]

thanks for his contribution

[swift mango]

Some bro had to make sacrifice for the greater good.

[wet patrol]

Hello 😄 Would I be able to get some SP Arena team comps help here or should I ask in #team-building

[valid fern]

need to aim for 1.7RL cindy now

[quick lake]

Buggerella lives

[swift mango]

Thank you for analysis too. I was always iffy about Bay case.

Now it's all make sense.

[quick lake]

Can send ur full roster

[coarse lake]

I'll list out all the cindy quirks I know:

• Cindy main hits snapshot, but additional hits real-time, thus bypassing all forms of immune and even bay link (can snapshot bay cover state as well to cindy's detriment), does not bypass indom or linked units
• Cindy main hits 6-10 order is always the same as 1-5
• Cindy main hits will hit a dead entity that it previously targeted (in hits 1-5) (including dead decoys, and dead units that got revived inbetween the 2 hits), as a result, cindy will never be able to damage another cindy with her nuke if decoy is up, even if decoy dies to first hit
• p1 Cindy causes target skip, doesn't work on SGs or SRs
• Piercing Cindy decoy doesn't hit cindy
• Decoy gives enemy rls extra gen
• Cindy gen is a bit rng depending on how many targets her hits actually hit (rng-based)
• Decoy blocks smart dmg (dmg that change based on something, like bscar distributed), and snipes (smart targeting), dumb nukes like full team nukes bypass (still working on the logic for this, but this is about right afaik)
• Cindy is immune to Rosa dispel (probably bc rosa dispel is smart and "dispels" decoy (which does nothing)), meaning she keeps her link with jackal

[harsh venture]

what would u guys say is best on defense these days, i have 2 people that are contesting me and it’s getting snnoying af

[median flare]

another one
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1177116972593463316/1302513015173808208/NIKKE_2024-11-03-12-55-03.mp4?ex=67b2d0c6&is=67b17f46&hm=a22ea3e0aedbb9270b7b3938f1d811ad8c3bd0254d755440c83d6251d36cbc40&

i think i got it from here

[quick lake]

Oh wow, this is pretty clear too

[coarse lake]

I'm probably one of, if not the most knowledgable person regarding cindy pvp mechanics tbh, at least those in the NA space

been able to test out almost every single case bc my whale peers use so many diff comps

[swift mango]

That last one is really weird.

[coarse lake]

it is, but if you think about decoy as an entity that takes the spot of cindy (like substitute in pokemon), it makes more sense

[coarse lake]

rosa dispel targets cindy, but the decoy is substituting for her, decoy itself has no buffs, so dispel does nothing

[median flare]

this is sg vs cindy p1
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1228057524985528350/1304089939427856394/sgvscin2.mp4?ex=67b29ea6&is=67b14d26&hm=f6f4549f099530016388aae1570df170f5705c4f302795902a9a0d18f518c545&

[coarse lake]

ah good to know confirmation on that

[quick lake]

Decoy takes all the SG attacks

[coarse lake]

sgs are just weird in pvp man

[swift mango]

So decoy doesn't block Scarlet slash at all? That explain Scarlet easily one shot Cindy.

Always wondered how Scarlet could be so strong as to cut 2 HP bar in one shot.

[coarse lake]

did anyone test p1 cindy against defending SRs

[wet patrol]

This is what I'm trying out for now for SP Arena, some of the nikkes are really under developed because I've been putting resources into PvE stuff at the moment. Just wanted to know if this is the right direction to be heading down, if so then I'll put some resources into these nikkes

[coarse lake]

do they skip or nah

bc SR is the other one with weird targeting

[coarse lake]

yeah it's a dumb nuke, so doesn't care for decoy, same for scarlet counters, both bypass

[fast harness]

Regarding the second last point, does this mean sbs skill 1, the distributed damage does no damage to cindy at all if decoy is up?

[coarse lake]

still a bit unsure on bscar interaction, but the distributed nuke does get blocked by decoy

iirc bscar's second combo hit likes to exclusively hit decoy, which is weird, since it should target by proximity, not even lowest def (which decoy has none)

[fast harness]

What a weird interaction given aoe nukes still hit her

[coarse lake]

bscar distributed dmg is based on number of enemies alive, so it's categorized as smart

if it's smart, it gets tricked by decoy that's the best explanation I can give

[pastel owl]

nuke hits all targets, so make sense
while sbs the decoy becomes the target instead of cindy ig

[fast harness]

Yea but technically distributed damage in the case of sbs skill 1 proc 3 should be all targets as well

Just got to accept it is how it is for now

[coarse lake]

if you can change something (that isn't defensive) on the cindy team and affect the dmg or target, it's smart

so adding attacker to change rosa snipe target, changing atk to change rosa dispel target, removing a unit to take extra dmg from bscar nuke, removing unit to consolidate ein drone strikes on remaining 4, cindy target order being affected somehow by taunt (haven't looked into it much)

[fast harness]

I get the rationale now, makes sense, aoe nukes are non discriminate, the examples you listed can all be manipulated

[coarse lake]

it's just a "rule" I made up that can explain every case I've seen, there could be exceptions

[swift mango]

I wasn't testing but I remember it was target skip when I hit the whale with their auto attack no RL team so I put Cindy p1.

Not sure, lemme check if I still have that record.

[coarse lake]

[swift mango]

No target skip to Alice here.

[coarse lake]

so like SGs then

something weird with SGs and SRs, something with their targeting, causing them to deviate from normal targeting already, and not skipping cindy decoy too

[swift mango]

I can't find the p1 Cindy maybe I deleted it.

[pastel owl]

the snapshot thing make it appears so confusing, it should either proc 10 hits at the same instance or proc real time like sustain damage

[coarse lake]

their rapipi skipping cindy while alice didn't is enough proof I think, but yeah p1 cindy to confirm would be nice

[fast harness]

is sustain damage realtime? I don't remember much when s. sakura was released, what was the interaction with noah there

[swift mango]

I remember the case when @vapid lake

Showed his Ein's feather not hitting Cindy at all.

And just hit air with only Cindy left on opponent field.

[coarse lake]

also added that pierce doesn't hit cindy, shown here and also in my own p5 cindy tests vs rh, prob bc decoy is off center

[swift mango]

Maybe another weird interaction

[coarse lake]

off center decoy is likely also reason for p1 target skip

[coarse lake]

I'm not sure, haven't tested with ssakura

noah blocks the main ssakura hits, but the dots will still hit after invuln is over

it doesn't bypass, works properly afaik

[quick lake]

Real time I think. Sustain dmg cant go past Noah's shield okay idk

[coarse lake]

cindy is just weird bc she snapshots burst main hits (a lot of units do), but it takes her so long to get out all her dmg, so you notice the interactions

[quick lake]

lemme see if I have any old vids

[swift mango]

#pvp-arena message

[coarse lake]

oh wow

seems to ignore drones completely, drones so smart they just don't even fire at decoy

[swift mango]

Feather is a unique mechanic to Ein. Looks like it doesn't work well against Cindy.

[coarse lake]

oh wait

I know why drones hit anis dead body, bc it's the last valid target

when anis was alive all drones attack anis, since only valid target (somehow they don't consider decoy valid)

so anis died, so they have no target, and ig they keep shooting old target

[fast harness]

drones aint falling for the ole decoy trick

they aint shooting the right target either

[coarse lake]

decoy messes with drone targeting somehow

I assume drones want to target decoy, but something about it makes it invalid target

[swift mango]

Well, the point being feather doesn't hit decoy lol 😂 So another quirk.

[coarse lake]

wait no

either it's also locked onto dead frima body

or... the decoy off center makes the drones target the p4 slot (frima)

need another test where the unit to the right of cindy is dead really early

so the drones get target skipped by cindy essentially

so they end up hitting p4 and p1

[pastel owl]

i'm afriad it is not just visual but whether the interval between proc allows things to happen
that's almost a whole second delay between the two proc on a unit, if only the 2nd hit kills, does the unit considered not dead yet on the server side and still doing its thing in within that 1s?

[swift mango]

Target skipped units still hit Cindy and her decoy if she is the only one on the field.

The feathers don't.

[coarse lake]

yeah it's not visual

true... but the feathers also hit dead anis body, while nikkes don't

I think feathers got no qualms with desecrating the dead

[fast harness]

probably not worth testing but I wonder how vesti's burst would interact with cindy

[coarse lake]

they'll consider it valid target if no other target, and can get skipped to it, but will need another vid of this happening to confirm it's not bc frima lived for a while

[fast harness]

only other unit with drones that I can think of

[swift mango]

Maybe, probably like Ein's feather 😂

[pastel owl]

rei has decoy as well

[coarse lake]

vesti burst is funny

you see these 2 huge rockets (1 of them mostly offscreen) travel super slowly

causes the fight to take longer to load

[swift mango]

No one use Rei in anywhere.

[pastel owl]

she could be hidden meta

[fast harness]

this is amazing

[swift mango]

How did you saved each and every single comment you made?

Or you could search them somehow?

[coarse lake]

that's merry's vid, I just searched up vesti

it's in rps server tho

pretty sure they didn't bother pvp-ifying her rockets

so it's using the pve variant, causing it to take a very long time to load and do nothing

yeah looks the same as in pve kek

[swift mango]

I think I encountered Vesti burst once when my bracket is still new.

Was nothing hard to beat.

[coarse lake]

put vesti on your team if you're getting sniped last second, force them to be late due to longer load time

[fast harness]

big brain

[swift mango]

I wonder if we give Vesti Rapipi treatment. Would she be able to win the fight by herself?

RH+Blanc+10/10/10(+crown)?

[coarse lake]

idk what vesti even does ngl, lemme look

[copper creek]

inb4 u get reported

[coarse lake]

vesti probably can't solo, her multipliers don't seem big enough

although maybe you can do something with the full burst cut

but for dmg I don't see it happening

[copper creek]

dmg insufficient, cant rmb where but someone did the math

[swift mango]

Takes out two Missile Containers, dealing 15.56% of final ATK as damage to the enemy with the lowest remaining HP every 1 sec for 18 sec.

Probly too low ig

31% per sec

But Rapipi is pretty low too...

Maybe could win if no healer.

[swift mango]

Vesti missiles in this video remind me of this. Guess I should eat some vesti's cannon tomorrow.

If you wondered what it is. They are bananas before they fully grow.

[shell hazel]

Blood I rolled that piece yesterday to this in the end but wasn't lucky enough to get a line 3

will park it there for now

[swift mango]

Look 1+2 and roll 3. GL

[shell hazel]

I will roll the others instead, better odds I think

that ele roll on line 1 is low on the 3rd line 11.81% atk so could just roll that and hope for a good line 2 / better line 1

[swift mango]

That's some good luck.

[shell hazel]

crit rate/charge dmg isn't doing anything too insane either so lock atk line 3 and full roll there also possible

[swift mango]

Lock Ele line 2 too if you wanted to minmax

[shell hazel]

for the blue line crit damage one I'll probably just keep it

and re-roll line 1 on it

[swift mango]

Well, you need to crit first

[shell hazel]

cindy can crit right? not her most useful stat but think she can do it

it's serving as CP pad which is handy

[swift mango]

Sure

[shell hazel]

the two pieces with atk line 3 I'd probably go for min/max on those if I can, so 3 good lines

roll them until I get a good line 2 at least, as line 1 is easiest to roll for

I'll probably just accept blue line crit line 3 and perm lock it + temp lock ele line 2 and roll line 1 to something more useful than def

result should be 10 useful lines out of a possible 12

need more rocks again but also gear still may head back to the gear farm for a bit

[reef fog]

Hello, quick question, what are the 3 meta teams for pvp now? Been out of touch for a while

[swift mango]

ScarJack

Noah Cindy

Flex

[nocturne hull]

chat can anyone help me with both arenas teambuilding it's been months since i've changed these and got plenty of new units

[swift mango]

@keen vapor oh our MA, it's time for you to shine.

[strong hull]

You do it

[tropic summit]

post your box with nikke ordered by strength

we can take care of that from there

[swift mango]

Our hidden MA.

[swift mango]

[vapid lake]

[tropic summit]

[rich quail]

[vapid lake]

I got pinged to look at TEMU drones clip again

I never send ein against cindy anymore

Never again

[rich quail]

Why not?

Is fun

[vapid lake]

Fun for other ppl to watch and point and laugh not funny for me

[tropic summit]

as blood said, mostly 2 archetypes (noah + cindy and scar + jackal), on higher sync and late pvp game you'll want also helmT and rosanna

A few examples of teams anyhow, just pick your poison

[shell hazel]

@tropic summit dunno if this guys just beating me with RNG or what but def held somehow

[nocturne hull]

hold up let me show that

[shell hazel]

I didn't change anything except my cindy got a boost to ele and lost an ammo roll 😄

[tropic summit]

pick your poison, these are 2 decent versions of late game teams

[nocturne hull]

there

[tropic summit]

taking a look

[tropic summit]

for starters, throw jackal in synchro

make her 4/4/4 and try to get her body to OL lvl 0, rest slowly aswell

[swift mango]

At least, SR0 doll her too.

[nocturne hull]

my broke ass got no collection items rn

[tropic summit]

he's sychro lvl 160, gonna be expensive

better focus on pve anyhow and he needs to cross lvl 160

[swift mango]

Well, only real RL for PvE right now is SBS. So afterward could give to Cindy or Noah or Jackal.

[tropic summit]

you can run these atm, get them reviewed once you've found also:

noah, rumani, rapunzel, noise

T1: centi biscuit cind noir rouge
T2: scarlet blanc rh xmaiden jackal
T3: sbs naga grave rrh alice (cp padded temp team)

[quick lake]

Scar Blanc RH BSoda Jackal
Noah Centi Cindy Biscuit Liter/Noise
Auto

[swift mango]

Didn't see this one. Some bro sacrificed for science again.

[median flare]

nw, it was from my alt other teams still win

[vapid lake]

more ammo for pvp lets go

[raven plover]

ok message sender

[wet patrol]

Ok! I'll invest into those nikkes, thank you!!

Any team for S.Anis or am I missing pieces

[quick lake]

u can if u want. Better to just auto last team imo

[tropic summit]

would need to split noah from cindy and make a 3rd team with s.anis and stalling in mind

that's an option you can consider if rheax's teams start failing

a CP padded team is a good defense, better than a low CP 3rd meta team

[quick lake]

U could probably auto 3rd team until sync 300+ maybe?

[wet patrol]

Yeah I would tend to agree with this haha, have to up the CP of the nikkes before I can sustain 3 meta teams

Are there any nikkes I should be wishlisting to open up or strengthen any of the teams?

[quick lake]

Only Rumani tbh. Its mostly just investing into ur existing units

[brazen ledge]

In PvP ? Ye rumani ig

[swift mango]

Come get your 2 gem codes before they expire..

[sleek ginkgo]

Why do we stop at 17 % charge speed ? Isn't higher charge speed the better ?

[brazen ledge]

Its like a breakpoint ig

[sleek ginkgo]

So no point going higher than 17 % ?

[shell hazel]

it's quite hard isn't it getting higher? you'd need like 4 CS rolls at high phases

can't remember the max on that, think black line is 6%

[sleek ginkgo]

I got a black line, on helm, so I was thinking going for at least 20 %

[shell hazel]

I suspect breakpoint as well

[unique mountain]

[tropic summit]

i mean if you really want to... there's 38 CS% emilia

[shell hazel]

24% is about the highest it could get with some luck but it seems unreasonable to get 4 black line CS 😄

[shell hazel]

does she double the CS on gear or something? can't have that much via OL

[tropic summit]

it's available on the web app 🤔

[shell hazel]

I don't have her so not sure how her kit works

[tropic summit]

it's adding the s10 CS% else 38 is an insane number without

[quick lake]

Higher is generally better. However most of the time u need multiple RLs at high CS%. If u have a 23% CS and another 0% CS unit, The other 0% CS unit can be the limiting rocket launcher

I think like 25% CS allows u to hit 4 rockets in 3RL time if u really wanna go for it

[tropic summit]

imagine the rocks needed to be thrown to achieve that

i'd rather bankrupt

[shell hazel]

we'd need a new rock mine

[quick lake]

[unique mountain]

We need creds and fodder

500+ peeps don't even level up OL gear anymore , only get zero OL for OL lines

[quick lake]

Yes, fodder

[shell hazel]

not 500 and already having to do that just to get some stats and CP 😄

[pastel owl]

at 30 fps 3.33% cs make a 1s charge rl/sr 1 frame faster right?
while your example no real burst speed gain due to the 0% cs unit bottlenecked
on the other hand i wonder if every rl/sr unit in the team use the charge cube will it burst faster than a same speed team without cs

[quick lake]

Yeah, it will probably burst faster if u had the cs cube on everyone. Ultimately, having the burst bar full is dependent on that last projectile to hit the enemy. So u are as "fast" as your slowest unit

There's also some cs% OL rounding. So effective cs% should be round numbers e.g. 10%, 17%, 20% etc

[pastel owl]

rounding is tricky, does it round up/down before or after adding up?

[quick lake]

OL rolls in the same tier add up tgt, before being rounded. Whereas OL rolls in different tiers are rounded than added tgt.
E.g.
4.63 4.63 5.21 = Round(4.63+4.63) + Round(5.21) = 9 + 5 = 14%
4.63 4.92 5.21 = Round(4.63) + Round(4.92) + Round(5.21) = 5 + 5 + 5 = 15%

[pastel owl]

i see
iirc the lv 3 charge cube does 2.x% cs which alone translate to less than 1 frame and does nothing 😆

[quick lake]

Hmm possible as well

Not sure how much cs% needed to actually translate to real frame improvement

[nocturne arrow]

okay this worked, thanks mate

[whole pawn]

@tropic summit def teams

[modest summit]

Question, how much should I invest biscuit and noise to replace cp pad pve units like, do they have to be OL’ed etc and dolls high lvl to be suitable replacements or is there a threshold ?

[whole pawn]

all pvp units should be oled and have dolls

[rich quail]

Start off with all OL+0 and SR5 doll, and go from there if you feel like you wanna pvp more

[cedar orbit]

your CP shouldn't be lower than 15.41% compared to the enemies you attack, OL helps a lot with that, Biscuit doesn't really need special treatment, but Noise tends to tank and generally needs purple doll

[whole pawn]

ol first

[wet patrol]

got it, I'll chuck her in the syncro, thanks!!

my last page didn't send through

[cedar orbit]

Now that reshuffle is coming, can they put all gemmers into the same bracket?

[raven plover]

nah

idk how many shuffle we get so far but its only 2 different groups for me

[quick lake]

U have all the pvp units. Just gotta slowly OL them all

[wet patrol]

So I'll add Rumani to the list yeah. And fml dolls are nasty to level up

[shell hazel]

need another solo raid 😄

[limber rampart]

nice try bro

[whole pawn]

with this treasure, I summon @tropic summit

[shell hazel]

it's the anchor pfp again

we were talking about it last night, anyone with anchor pfp is evil

[lapis field]

poor anchor got defiled by them

[frank ingot]

can I ask how you guys defeat a scarlet/xanne/noir/rosanna/jackal?

[tulip quest]

Noah comp, or just use Scarlet, Blanc, Centi, Anis Rossana

I just Noah comp scarlet comps, or just soft counter with Noise Scarlett, hard counter would be Noah

[tropic summit]

glad it worked

[tropic summit]

imagine a bracket only for whales to eat gems on each others, the dream

@whole pawn

teams: #pvp-arena message
box: #questions message

might be better turning your teams in 2 meta and 1 cp padded, having feed in cindy team is just ruining it anyway

try this

centi biscuit cind sbs rumani
scarlet blanc rh xmaiden jackal
naga liter grave rrh alice (cp padded temp team)

get them reviewed once you find noah, noise, rapunzel, helmT

[strong hull]

[shell hazel]

steammmeeee gift card

woooo

steammmeeee gift

it's raining gifts

https://tenor.com/view/oprah25dollargiftcard-oprah-yougetone-gif-15171593

[real ocean]

we killed it

[brazen ledge]

Nice

[whole pawn]

so I can change teams I see
ok once I have these 4 , I will ask u for help

[ancient kayak]

what with all those son of a b

[tropic summit]

ikr

just like with spam calls, the blacklist grows larger, yet they never end

[eager mountain]

yey i got my egifttttttt

both cdk already overlimit

[shell hazel]

Railtracer we holding

[whole pawn]

do u suggest not rush in pvp? I play pvp entries and I demote faster not 2 h later xd
maybe I should wait before reset by 2 h to use those entries

[umbral belfry]

friends is there any use for non treasured laplace? i just got her

[whole pawn]

mmmm no
she should be treasured to have a value overall

[umbral belfry]

then she's not getting treasured for a longggg time

[whole pawn]

tbh, treasures shouldn't be ur priority, especially if u didn't finish building ur primary units

[dim escarp]

it's chill here

[umbral belfry]

tell that to rng who gives me every t9m except for my campaign team

I'm mostly at 3/4 or 2/4

[shell hazel]

I was super chill at 2 but Railtracer made me attack number 1 and now he won't stop trying to get it back 😄

[dim escarp]

as long as you stay in the top

[whole pawn]

this is where the fun begins

[shell hazel]

so far so good

[tropic summit]

what the heck, how is he suddenly losing? 🤨

[shell hazel]

I haven't really changed anything except I rolled ammo off Cindy and added ATK %

wonder if that extra attack is stopping whatever he did 😄

[tropic summit]

-you need to play around 8-12h after reset, neither 2hrs earlier or 2hrs later, if your aim is to retain position
-you need to play slightly before reset and right after if you want to climb 4 positions (dia1 ch7 ch4 ch1-2-3)

[shell hazel]

either that or their wins were down to RNG of some kind and it doesn't reliably go in their favour

[whole pawn]

mmmmm that's hard to understand
just tell me straight what I should do

[tropic summit]

hey don't blame it on me, i reckon you wanted to do it after reset but then you did it right after we told you

[shell hazel]

I am liable to collapse to peer pressure

[tropic summit]

dafuq how is it hard

[shell hazel]

[tropic summit]

totally worth it, 10/10 would do again

[shell hazel]

haha no regrets it made it more interesting

and that guy I think was whaling a bit so good to show him they can't win without trying harder 🙂

[tropic summit]

@whole pawn

scenario 1:

you're in dia1, you wait from now 22hrs, play 2 tries, wait reset, play 2 tries, climb with x4 victories (ideally)

scenario 2:

you're already at the ideal challanger position (one you can retain at least comfortably), play defensive only reclaim and around 10-12hrs after reset (ppl will mostly have used at least 1 attempt if not 2)

[whole pawn]

I just don't wanna demote fast, do I play as soon as reset comes or what? do I follow the first strat or second

[tropic summit]

read above

[tropic summit]

yeah but did you change lineup or they losing against previous one? 🤔

[shell hazel]

they did lose against what we setup before at least once but they were then winning, and I was just winning right back

[tropic summit]

uh

[shell hazel]

but I haven't modified anything no

[tropic summit]

so strange tho, maybe they really relying on crits

[shell hazel]

I did OL Crown today to add some CP to team 3 but they lost before that so.. unsure 😄

[tropic summit]

haha still rocking the grave instead of blanc and the temp padded T3

[shell hazel]

yeah

I will actually OL Scarlet some more in t1

[tropic summit]

well, don't change what works i guess

[shell hazel]

Blanc needs too much work for now

SBS can wait a bit

[whole pawn]

so I am rn at dia 1, do I wait until 2 h before next reset?

[tropic summit]

SBS gonna help you a lot with rocks

[shell hazel]

yeah she will but I still need gear

[tropic summit]

if your objective is to be ch4 or higher, yes

[shell hazel]

so that can wait as well

[tropic summit]

odds are better that you def succesfully at dia1 than challanger

[whole pawn]

I just want 2.4 gems

[tropic summit]

that's ch10-ch7 range

should be within your chances

[whole pawn]

idc about rank, I just want 2.4 k gems

[tropic summit]

ye well you need to retain ch10 at least

[whole pawn]

so do I wait until 2 h before reset?

[shell hazel]

the gems you get are based on time in rank so the two are linked

[tropic summit]

in your specific case, i think it's best you play in around 10-12hrs from now

take a screenshot of who's ch10-ch7 and the ppl directly below you in dia1

if in 10-12hrs those have changed, fight whoever used attempts

it gives you an increased chance that those won't be able to fight back

then play defensive and repeat with next reset

[whole pawn]

how to play defensive?

[tropic summit]

aim for ch6, so that dia1 can't reach you without going through lower ch

[tropic summit]

i just told you

[whole pawn]

ok so I am dia 1, I can probably wait 10 h from now, use my entries
do I repeat this every reset?

[tropic summit]

first you claim your comfort position, in your case any ch10-ch7, although ideally ch6 to prevent a single attempt from any dia1

then you just play defensive as above

[whole pawn]

as I told u, if i play pvp rn and reached ch7 or 6, I might return to dia1 in less than 2 h xd

[tropic summit]

that's why you wait as i told you before

if ppl use attempts, less chances they'll attack you

[whole pawn]

mmmm ok Ig I will wait 10 h and check

[tropic summit]

10h from now you claim either ch7 or ch6

then you wait for reset and play defensive

[whole pawn]

by playing defensive u mean to wait 10 h after reset right?

[sudden badger]

what should my teams for rookie arena and sp arena be

[tropic summit]

you've gotta be trolling

[whole pawn]

soory, I m serious

[tropic summit]

read above

[tropic summit]

for starters, throw centi in the synchro

[sudden badger]

k

[whole pawn]

ok let me think, I am diamond 1 rn do I follow the first scenario or the second one, then once I am at the rank I want, do I use the second scenario? that's how I understood it, soory for not being able to understand you

[tropic summit]

naga cind xmaiden anis noise
sbs bay rh rumani jackal
auto team (can run p1 defender and biscuit in p4, rest any high CP)

once centi is 4/4/4, replace anis with her

wishlist:

noah, rapunzel, scarlet, aim toward getting Helm treasured

[whole pawn]

@fathom rock

[tropic summit]

look, i'll do it very simple for you, because i've ran out of how else to explain it

you're dia1, wait 10-12hrs to claim any ch10-ch7, if possible aim for ch6 - this is for TODAY
you're already in ch10-ch6, wait to attack back, possibly 10-12hrs as ppl will have already spent attempts - this is for ANY DAY AFTER TODAY

[whole pawn]

ok so for today I will wait 10 h , then try to reach chal 7 or 6
then for next reset, if I am still at chal 10 or more, I wait 12 h and attack again

[fathom rock]

[tropic summit]

yes you got it !

[tropic summit]

holding strong

[fathom rock]

Rumani 2/4 and rapunzel full ol absolutely helped eith that sanis comp

[whole pawn]

tahst literally the same thing , but what happened if I wait 10 h, claimed my lead into chal 6 and before 10 h passed after reset ,I find myself demoted, shall I do the same things again ?

[sudden badger]

oh btw
what should i do for rookie arena too?

[fathom rock]

Do your tries cmon its rookie

[tropic summit]

let's merge the two and use this

noise centi cind sbs jackal

[fathom rock]

Minmaxxing rookie is beyond me

[sudden badger]

should we also use biscuit?

[tropic summit]

i'd rather not yet

would lose out on CP and we need to rotate the lineup

[whole pawn]

my fear is after 10 h, I won't find railtracer online , that's why I attack pvp now because he is online

[tropic summit]

anyone can help you with pvp

just type in the chat

plus it's ch10 and ch7-ch6 opponents, they're probably silly teams

(unlike retro's team that are trying their bestest to survive for dear life)

[strange rain]

guys any improvement i can do to for my def teams ?

this team is a problem but idk how to fix it without tanking my cp hard

[tropic summit]

that's because in your case it's better having 2 meta teams and 1 cp padded team

should also consider scarlet instead of alice in T2

she's unfortunately an easy to counter B3

[strange rain]

slotting peper makes that team rl 4

[tropic summit]

same goes with RH in T1

[strange rain]

with scarlet

[tropic summit]

you've ein and scarlet as best B3s

privaty can work too at your synch lvl in fact

should design teams around these 2

[eager mountain]

i thought i was joking but

getting that MC title actually tilted them into attacking me 24/7

[tropic summit]

they'd have attacked you anyway

[eager mountain]

no, that 6th guy didnt bother until the day i got it

[tropic summit]

dunno about other ppl, but i barely even pay attention to titles

[eager mountain]

and the 8th didnt attack nearly as often

its no joke its actually this dumb

[strange rain]

this is tanking my cp hard will these teams survive 20 % defecit ?

[tropic summit]

then don't bother with teams and just bother with CP on 4RL

at your synch lvl it matters the most

[strange rain]

gotcha

ty tho maybe ill switch them up when cp will be higher

[eager mountain]

anchor used

[tropic summit]

pve is your focus anyway, if you can then fit them in pvp all gud, else just stick to cp padding until then

[tropic summit]

her B2 is actually tasty 🤔

[strange rain]

shes too cute i definitely dont have a better burst 2

[strange rain]

im actually on challanger 1 so i trying to keep it XD

[eager mountain]

its, have both defensive and offensive application, just that the former is half a joke if u pair with helm for the s1 heal just to have both nuked, and the latter isnt enough

[tropic summit]

imagine being water code in an elec code dominated mode indeed

[eager mountain]

and they were like: AI BOSSES DOES 5X DMG TO ELEM WEAK NIKKE

[tropic summit]

let's be honest, in NIKKE PvP was probably an afterthought anyway

[eager mountain]

huh.... as if crown shield gives a f....

[tropic summit]

noway they ever tested it properly

let alone balancing

[eager mountain]

and they randomly patching back then duelwield thing

suddenly noah is the best non carry without a doubt

[strange rain]

with this team they will focus on noise so peper should be alive ye ? pos 1 is ok here ?

[eager mountain]

noise only taunt their p1p2

but either bursting is fine anyway

[tropic summit]

you do reduce part of the dmg pepper gets, but having 2 B1 in p1 and p5 is already a good pillow

that's actually decent, scarlet even gets a buff at least

once you've jackal you'll want to rotate scarlet in p1, while anchor can stay

[strange rain]

[eager mountain]

i realized one thing

we dont even have a green hair wind nik in this game

the cloest is D

real rainbow team plan failed

[tropic summit]

indeed, missed chance with Kilo

[eager mountain]

yeah im quite a green hair fan... what a shame

[strange rain]

worth addint a doll on noise ? or save the dolls

[eager mountain]

worth, as long as u have dolls for pve rl already
you will eventally have enough sr dolls for all the pvp rl as well, takes time tho

[umbral belfry]

cabbage

[tropic summit]

they did Kilo dirty

[eager mountain]

sw beats chatterbox, kilo beats chatterbox

conclusion: kilo is pilgrim equivlent thus overspec

[tropic summit]

kilo overspec 2025 confirmed?

make her wind and we good

[eager mountain]

make her pvp wind nuke instead to have sakura fan cope since ssakura also sux

[valid fern]

Whats mc title?

[umbral belfry]

@tropic summit the attacks has started once again

but i am holding down the fort as much as i can. everyday i get tempted to OL my batteries more bc i literally cannot get the remaining t9m to drop for my mains

[tropic summit]

don't forget you've yet to play your secret card

they shouldn't provoke the sleeping dog

[umbral belfry]

wait

what's thr secret card

i forgot

[tropic summit]

le jackal, you not using her yet irc? 🤔

[umbral belfry]

about that

[tropic summit]

oh no.

[umbral belfry]

I'm all out of cards

[tropic summit]

d-don't worry

we can probably still figure something out

[umbral belfry]

looking so hard at my xmaiden rn

[eager mountain]

title from beating AI mirror container
it cant be coincidence, mf never used coin/gem for 3rd hit until that

[umbral belfry]

I'm getting the OL itch

[tropic summit]

wew

@keen vapor

[keen vapor]

[tropic summit]

you're gonna miss them when this season ends and you've ppl with another 100 level difference instead

[keen vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1026322546934698004.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=whyyysnapped

[umbral belfry]

wait, or would it better to level up my current OL gear instead?

[eager mountain]

getting ol does way more cp

[shell hazel]

basic OL is best

[umbral belfry]

when it wants to give me the right ones

[shell hazel]

any stat is better than 0 stats

[umbral belfry]

being patient is hard

[shell hazel]

I've been doing some OL on my pvp support units to keep the position stronger

mainly just upgrading someone in the weakest team each time

[umbral belfry]

i could OL more of my xmaid gear rn hmhm

but my main team

[shell hazel]

think one of the gear slots is best to improve first as well

might be chest?

[umbral belfry]

that's the one I need for my sbs

[shell hazel]

I have all my main campaign units with basic OL set on the slots I have

I miss a couple of pieces still so farming for them now

whilst I wait for those I'm OL pvp units and will work on SBS/Blanc at some point 😄

[umbral belfry]

must be nice having full OL on campaign units

[shell hazel]

ideal if the unit is also used in both pvp and pve

[umbral belfry]

xmaid a decent choice

[shell hazel]

I track the OL so I know which boss to farm the best

[harsh venture]

any advice for defence teams, im losing to like 3-4 different people

[shell hazel]

orange = OL, blue = can be OL

[umbral belfry]

at this point I'm just switching chest/arm/feet bosses everyday

[shell hazel]

I can't help you really here but nice skin I want it

are you working on trHelm? she is great for pvp

[umbral belfry]

is this a public spreadsheet btw

[shell hazel]

it's not I just made it in Excel

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

if you want I can maybe send it across 😄

[umbral belfry]

if it's a hassle it's okay! I was just wondering. ty though

[shell hazel]

you have to manually add stuff ofc - the totals are automatically added

[harsh venture]

i am p2 atm with like 50 things

[umbral belfry]

may your rng and luck be blessed even though you have doomed mine

[shell hazel]

oh maybe I can help a bit, Railtracer posted these earlier can you make these teams work cp/investment wise?
#pvp-arena message

if not I guess he can probably look at your actual Nikke and give better advice 😄

[shell hazel]

no worries any questions let me know. The counts just work off 1 being in the field for the appropriate slot

if you want to add a new character in the lists just add it somewhere in the middle or it moves the sum bit about

[harsh venture]

ty will have a gander

[umbral belfry]

wait

ty rng gods

[shell hazel]

no way

I'm going to keep these until next SR I guess

I don't see them appear in the dispatches very often

[umbral belfry]

[eager mountain]

yeah u can just follow rail's pic if u have rumani
u can post ur curr def here to see if something is really wrong with the current one

[shell hazel]

I need 3 more RL dolls and the SR ones for later 😄

[harsh venture]

nah i was running my offense teams, ive saved the teams and ill work on building them now

i think ill just tank whatever rank i get for this season

[shell hazel]

if you got solid def teams you can get some attacks cooked up

[harsh venture]

yeah i can beat most of the people that are hitting me, theres one guy that im just CP gapped by atm

[shell hazel]

looks like you whaled a bit as well due to the skins and cores, they must have really whaled 😄

with the new level infinite thing maybe letting us see characters I wonder if we can export/import stuff out of the site for better review

[harsh venture]

cores ive just gotten lucky most of the time, but yeah i have whaled

[shell hazel]

I mainly spend on pulls/skins/resource kit for skills so not levels

I don't want to rush the levels really I'll just take them as they come using in game resources

I'd prefer to have a nice skin or a unit than some levels

[harsh venture]

yea h i buy both monthlies and the smallest ticket pulls

then i just buy skin passes and stuff

[shell hazel]

yeah it works pretty well 🙂

[vapid lake]

next patch better fix this bug

nah who am i kidding, too busy milking eva fanboys with 5 banners

[eager mountain]

eva collab is everywhere anyway

[vapid lake]

i got hit 20 min ago, cant hit back

[eager mountain]

su: maybe just dont get hit so that u wont need to hit back

[vapid lake]

[eager mountain]

the 150 gem normal pull isnt that bad after the pilgrim wishlist and adding maids there so that elysion wishlist isnt full of garbages
technically 1% of wanted pilgrim but really efficient with pulling other dups
no gold ticket tho
good for smol spender ig

[dire root]

t's funny that every other player has red hood rapi but me, I suppose it's a super common character given to everyone.

[eager mountain]

everyone sho joined during or before her banner should have her

the rest is rng

[unique mountain]

[shell hazel]

def wasn't given away had to pull at 1% banner rate or gold mileage it

[vapid lake]

Raaaaaaaa i love pvp

[dire root]

It's very common. Want to say about 90% of players have her in a team I fight.

[shell hazel]

it was just because it was a strong unit and pretty much 90% of active people were trying to get her 😄

[dire root]

I wonder why they are so low level if they have been playing so much longer then me.

[shell hazel]

it was only back in Jan

was NY unit

[fast harness]

Did you get your attempt back?

[vapid lake]

Ya can't even spend my attempt

Ig i have to wait an hour to hit back after i get errored back to main menu every time

[tropic summit]

taking a look, asking beforehand is your helm treasured and does she have s1 lvl 10 and phase 2 at least?

[harsh venture]

yeah i do

s1 is 7 atm but im working on getting her to 10/10/7

[tropic summit]

oh oki perfect, you could run this taking in account your CP

(left table)
noise centi cind helmT emilia
scarlet blanc rh xmaiden jackal
noah biscuit dkw sbs soda:TB

(right table)
if laplace is treasured removed emilia and put bsoda in her spot instead, can use then laplace+ in T3 to reduce SG feed

ideally on the longer run invest more on emilia then you can use emilia, la+ and xmaiden as clip SG burst gens but without being actual SG (feeds enemy jackal)

Keep in mind SG still puts pressure on enemy p5 at least, but it's generally less advised

notes: consider investing more in biscuit, noah and building up rapunzel, they seem very low on CP

last thing, i don't see rumani, consider building her to use her in T1 as a sub b1 in case noise still dies within 2RL timeframe

[eager mountain]

he didnt even bother to post his curr def so

[harsh venture]

i said my currrent was just my offense, ive redone it using the pics

dont own rumani yet, im stocking up on standard vouchers to spend when maids hit that banner

[quasi prism]

I'm no longer red hood less

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/cr1tikal-penguinz0-meme-woo-yeah-baby-gif-19316511

[quasi prism]

Actual irl reaction

6849 summons in total done

[umbral crown]

https://tenor.com/view/pool-boy-dopinder-deadpool-live-the-dreams-mr-pool-gif-22377230

[vapid lake]

help i might drop my first $60 on a gacha skin its helm

[crystal flicker]

feels good

[nocturne arrow]

help me make teams for Special Arena

[grizzled bone]

maybe you'll get lucky and only spend $10

[vapid lake]

Dont tempt me

[bleak shale]

u need the rocks anyways

[upper grove]

dew it

[vapid lake]

Ya'll supposed to be discouraging bad habits

[upper grove]

we are in a gacha game discord

it's either true f2ps, "f2p btw" crowd or whales

[umbral belfry]

🐬

[valid fern]

Doesnt look like this new Helm skin is gonna be better than her dress skin tbh. Might get it to flex tho.

[umbral crown]

no help for you, go spend

[coarse lake]

Depends on back shot

[eager mountain]

Dont they they have collab gacha costumes already, and now helm gacha costume?

[umbral crown]

thats because they heard my prayers saying i need helm with a costume since she is good unit for pvp and pve

good units always gets a gacha skin, its a sigm