pvp-arena

[umbral belfry]

mhm!

[shell hazel]

which one? 😮

[umbral belfry]

now to put all these abnormal stuff to good use

[shell hazel]

you mean furnace?

[umbral belfry]

this one

[shell hazel]

ah yeah that one

good luck!

[umbral belfry]

watch me not even get a pilgrim defense piece

[mild lion]

@tropic summit just wanted to follow up with you on yesterday. They hit me while at work so I replied on mobile and couldn't record. The Scarlet team is too slow with RH instead of a 3rd RL so I took RH and put Rapunzel in and that worked. Obviously I had to do some slight position changes.

The SAnis comp worked great.

Thank you very much!

[shell hazel]

I really struggled with pilgrim def the most

[umbral belfry]

and just like that you jinxed it

[shell hazel]

in the wise words of railtracer

it's your furnace not mine to jinx 😄

[umbral belfry]

[mild lion]

Can't wait to be done with manuf gear for all units so I can not bother with furnaces anymore

[shell hazel]

problem is new units appear

and then you need gear...

[umbral belfry]

a neverending cycle

[mild lion]

Yeah but I built up a stockpile from never hitting kraken and getting gear types I already completed

[shell hazel]

they need a better way of target farming gear really

because when you need just 1 item it's high RNG

I reckon it took me 6 weeks of farming Ultra stage 4 to get 1 pilgrim def helm

[umbral belfry]

stuck on 3/4 for alice and sbs bc that one missing piece trolls me

[shell hazel]

in that time I had like 10 elysion def helms

maybe more 😄

[mild lion]

I am actually pretty close, just a few helmets and chestplates for some of the SRs. The main issue is lost rock income. My lines are awful for my account age.

[shell hazel]

I did Kraken yesterday - no rocks except pity

think rocks are just poor in general

[mild lion]

Imagine how much worse when they decide to add other line types like reload rate or something

[brazen ledge]

They won’t ever do that

[mild lion]

Not reload specifically no. But they 100% would add more line types to OL gear as time goes on.

Especially if they intend to run the game as long as they claim to want to, major overhauls are inevitable

[valid fern]

unless they completely rehaul the system and refund us a shitton of rocks. doubt it.

[mild lion]

They'll add a tier 2 rock that's red and give more advanced properties

Interception next major update.....4 years from now 🤡

Maybe more like 2 years

[tropic summit]

hey that's good to hear, good job

[gaunt viper]

honestly probably the worst feeling. we worked so hard to beat them only for someone else to immediately scoop it up from me

[mild lion]

I don't envy you guys who have actually competitive brackets. I lucked out. 1 leviathan that sits peacefully in 1st and just one other guy who actually plays well enough to fight with me for 2nd and 3rd based on who holds 2nd longer.

It doesn't even matter who wins 2nd or 3rd lol. We just do it for clout I guess

[gaunt viper]

I used to have something like that a while back ago but big shuffle messed it all up

[valid fern]

when did you start? just curious

[bitter cipher]

What’s a good rumani team rn?

[copper creek]

u use rumani as fill for burst gen
u dont build a team around rumani

[keen vapor]

That

[bitter cipher]

I see

[keen vapor]

Unless you're going for a 5RL-speed team

[bitter cipher]

I’m just trying to build another decent team, I gave up on building all three teams. I have one already (Noah, sbs, HelmT, RH, and Jackal), so now I just need another one. I got rumani recently so I was curious

[copper creek]

you put the 2 strongest burst gen units (helm+, jackal) and noah on the same team of course you are going to have trouble building 2 more teams

[jagged sedge]

I noticed Rossana debuffs Blanc's inviclbility skill. Sure way to beat Scarlet.

[glad meteor]

Noah centi rapu cindy helmt is 2rl nuke. Can run dps blanc buffer battery jackal in another team

[bitter cipher]

Yeah, it’s literally my RA team

[copper creek]

RA ?

[bitter cipher]

Rookie arena

[copper creek]

yep thats why a lot of rookie arena teams arent practical in spa/ca

[glad meteor]

Oh wait. That team doesn’t include rumani

[bitter cipher]

It brought me up to rank 4 so it works

[copper creek]

in rookie you can put noah, biscuit, helm+, jackal in the same team

in sp.a probably not your best idea

[bitter cipher]

[glad meteor]

For sp can switch jackal for rumani. But more susceptible to counters then

[copper creek]

anyway if in doubt, build a nuke team, a stall team and 3rd team is just whatever you feel like

so maybe 1 team scar/blanc/rh, 1 team noah/noise/...

[bitter cipher]

A nuke team you say

Is scar a better nuke than Cindy?

[keen vapor]

Scar is faster and consistent

Cindy is relatively slower but stronger

[bleak latch]

sneaky bastard faliled

[umbral belfry]

failed snipe

[eager mountain]

random bastard started attacking me again, it cant be the aggro from dumb title

[solemn matrix]

Change name to assert dominance.

[umbral belfry]

@echo oyster

oops wrong ping @shell hazel

thanks for the jinx

[bleak latch]

[shell hazel]

anytime 😄

[grizzled bone]

nobody click that link

[glad meteor]

I missed the steam voucher

[unkempt kestrel]

The lvl diff is so unfair for me 😭😭. I’m rank 3 rn but it’s so hard to maintain it

[vapid lake]

Damn bro has a leviathan in his bracket

The others look like they just outleveled u cos u slack campaign/hard campaign too much

[unkempt kestrel]

Oh true

I’m hard stuck at 18-6 hard but they are all 20+ in hard

[lilac pier]

what server number u in?

[unkempt kestrel]

How do you check?

[lilac pier]

on your profile

top right

[fast harness]

Also what's sync difference?

[vapid lake]

Yea if u several chapters behind the others over a long period of time this is wat happens eventually

50 commander level is a big gap

[oak gale]

yeet

[unkempt kestrel]

9807

[umbral belfry]

how is that even possible LMAO

[unkempt kestrel]

They are all 310+ I’m 287

[umbral belfry]

you just gotta accept the L that's crazy 😭

[fast harness]

Even the gigawhale?

[unkempt kestrel]

The first place dude is 545

[fast harness]

Wtf

[unkempt kestrel]

2RL team diff but im not done with OL yet

[vapid lake]

Bro buys out the entire cash shop every time it refreshes

[umbral belfry]

no i mean the c1 😭

that gap is so wild lmao

[unkempt kestrel]

Yeh lmao

[umbral belfry]

gg 😭

[unkempt kestrel]

At least it’s resetting soon

[umbral belfry]

at least the shuffle is soon

[unkempt kestrel]

Reshuffling

[lilac pier]

tbh u kinda behind with that sync and that server number

[vapid lake]

Big copium

Shuffle will add more whales into ur bracket just watch

[umbral belfry]

reshuffle and he stays

[vapid lake]

[unkempt kestrel]

Yeh I fcked up by not buying event cores.

And I +5 all my OL gears when I was a newbie

[fast harness]

When did you start? I need a time frame for the whale?

[unkempt kestrel]

I started at the end of crown banner

[strange rain]

guys is this winnable ?

[lilac pier]

???? how do u have lower server number than me when i started on sanis summer banner

[fast harness]

Approximately 9 months for sync 545

[lilac pier]

u started and took break?

[fast harness]

Different region most likely

[unkempt kestrel]

Didn’t take a break

[lilac pier]

ooh yea im on global

[unkempt kestrel]

I’m NA

[lilac pier]

u never ever going to beat that levi

he is buying dialy core dust

top 3 all has the same rewards so u good, no?

[vapid lake]

he can hold his spot but he has to think twice as hard as the other ppl

others can just cp gap 1 of his team

he can't

[unkempt kestrel]

I’m good with 4-7

Last bracket It was my first time getting 10th

Getting 300 more gems will be nice

I’ll just need to push hard campaign soon once I’m done with my PvP unit

Or else I’ll fall further behind

[umbral belfry]

you'd burst first, maybe? idk if RH would be B1 tho

and if liter dies on their team it's gg

[strange rain]

fingers ccrossed

[umbral belfry]

[strange rain]

shes dead

ezclap

[umbral belfry]

[strange rain]

finally gott the first place

[grizzled bone]

@lusty gull i just noticed the 17% cs option in your app. What is that for?

[shell hazel]

they burst too slowly, you could be bursting quicker with a better team

biscuit skills are working on anis here which is a bit unusual I think, to use her as the main carry for biscuit defender

modernia is pretty bad at the pvp side but maybe she has OK cp to make up for it, if modernia was jackal or centi or noah you'd hit 3RL

[strange rain]

ye juwst lemme pull onr of these rq and ill change it

shes there for cp

[shell hazel]

still you burst quicker than they do

so that is a win anyway

[strange rain]

ye wiped them

[shell hazel]

you got cindy? biscuit goes well with her as she is tanky + good dps

anis is normally there just to burst gen as she is good at it but she is kind of tanking in p1 there

[random tundra]

@final wedge Seriously?

[tropic summit]

hime's cookin'

[umbral belfry]

I still dunno if RH would be the b1 over liter tho i don't have rh myself to know

[tropic summit]

oh wow you already ran it, nice

[tropic summit]

yeah RH can cast B1/B2/B3 and if placed before a B1, she'd be the one to cast B1

unlike RRH, who will not cast B1 if a B1 is alive

[umbral belfry]

[tropic summit]

e.g. typically you don't want RH to cast B2, while B1 and B3 can be good depending on who you facing

B2 makes RH taunt, that's generally a really bad idea in pvp

[umbral belfry]

ohhh

good to know if and when i ever get a rh

[tropic summit]

B1 is a big whole party atk buff, B3 makes RH into steroids alice

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

it's same as auto, left most one who can go, will

[tropic summit]

a typical usage of RH is to either just cast B1 alone and let someone else be the B3, or you can run indom RH with casting B1 and B3 while blanc casts B2

[shell hazel]

so you have to balance unit positions with this in mind (and not putting anyone too weak in position 1)

[umbral belfry]

is that why i see a lotta rh on scar-jackal team

[tropic summit]

yup

[umbral belfry]

and with blanc's indom + debuff

[tropic summit]

the so called double buff indom scarlet is exactly that

there's an even stronger nuke, although, it is triple buffed emi

or so called ICBM

this is probably the must hurting nuke in the game you can make in pvp

[vapid lake]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1162985219830329374.webp?size=128&animated=true

[umbral belfry]

[tropic summit]

blanc buff, RH buff, crown buff (procs once healed)

[vapid lake]

Nah change centi with helmT

[umbral belfry]

i won't ever know this bc no emi and no emi in my bracket

[tropic summit]

yep, maybe it's for the best

emi makes at least 1 defense team generally meaningless

the other team then can get screwed over by noah + cindy

just these 2 teams, in general, will probably beat most of the defenses

the team that emi loses against would be a quick rosanna team with indom p1 (e.g. typical scar blanc ros flex jackal)

the team that cindy would lose against is a equal 2RL noah with DPS B3 (SBS or s.anis)

in a sense, makes arena very silly once you reach that point

[umbral belfry]

2RL cindy for me one day

[wise horizon]

Looks ok? @tropic summit

[umbral belfry]

is what i would say if i had a HELM

[tropic summit]

that's a long way to go

[umbral belfry]

sr15

or maybe i can 2RL my scarlet in the meantime

altho the cp loss most likely isn't worth it

[vapid lake]

Very tempted to attack

[tropic summit]

yeah should work, 3RL indom emi vs 3RL noah

[tropic summit]

well now that's gonna be an interesting race 🤔

0 feed vs 2 rifle feeds, but 0,5RL difference

[vapid lake]

I should win if my blanc burst later than his because ein's drones has 2 hits right at the very end of full burst time

[tropic summit]

true gacha experience

[vapid lake]

aka as soon as indom wears off

[tropic summit]

if you run it record it, i kinda wanna see it

[vapid lake]

maybe won't happen

I need to defend my current position first

He switched some stuff around and his team 3 that was an easy win now cp gaps me

So i can't beat him anymore

[tropic summit]

ah sadge

but new chapters soon if u stocked up on boxes

[vapid lake]

I have 28 levels worth of boxes these guys aren't hoarding i'm the only one hoarding in the bracket

[mild lion]

June 2023, around the midway point of Bluewater Island's run.

[jagged sedge]

what should I level Rossana's skills to? I'm not using her burst

[brazen ledge]

Why would you lvl up then ?

You do rosanna sac to burst with her too

[coarse lake]

if you're not using rosa burst, don't build her at all

[trim fable]

what can I use against this in rookie?

[glad meteor]

Have you gone in that fight yet? Can you confirm if they are 2RL

[trim fable]

yea they're 2RL

[glad meteor]

I’d try noah biscuit emilia redhood jackal

[eager mountain]

i usually just go 2rl noah sanis stall against this
2.5rl would also work here

[lone sequoia]

full rh, full ssrapi, emi oneshot+blanc or something like that

full dmage or full stall, not enough damage from them to kill you if you just tank

[trim fable]

that one works ig

[final wedge]

Lmfao....i guess his yesterday's 2 failed attempt teach him somethin

He succeeded in breakin thru my 2nd team on 1 try since one of my team is kinda 50:50. I updated my team to 2:2:3 RL now, gonna see how it goes

[eager mountain]

oh wait, aaaannnooottther p2 cindy

[final wedge]

I always fond of spreading my def despite its a fixed biscuit, blanc jackal, n Noah or blanc biscuit, jackal, noah

It's kinda "readable" but it's comfy

[vapid lake]

Wheres the smug anchor face

[wanton juniper]

I have a guy like that, he flailed around for a bit with zero idea on what to do. Then copied my comps still lost, flailed some more and finally went hard on his credit cards to CP gap me. 46k CP difference now, but I was beating him at a 20k cp deficit. Won't be long before I'm doing it again and keeping him up all night and day wondering when I'll attack him again.

Also, made him really angry. That I kept 1 shotting him for rank 3 in SP. He took it out in rookie arena like it matters. I got back to rank 2 with just my 5 freebies.

[vapid lake]

Using gems on rookie arena is wild

Except the guy im attacking isn't a noob he's the #1 in the bracket

Pvp expert

Theres no reason for me to hit him i just hit him for fun if i still have attempts left

[shell hazel]

looks like you got a rookie arena gremlin there 😄

[wanton juniper]

It really is. It was so funny when I saw that.

[vapid lake]

Rookie arena i just click lowest cp x5 times and look away

My def team is some garbage that gives ppl free wins so i can click lowest cp easier without having to double check

[shell hazel]

rookie arena doesn't matter I'm surprised anyone cares enough to gem on it 😄

[wanton juniper]

Yea, Rookie arena is irrelevant. He's rank 3 in SP and apparently me 1 shotting him and making him use his credit cards made him angry. Can only beat me once in SP to take 3rd so he went to rookie lmao!

[vapid lake]

Make him pay for intern-kun's paycheck more

[grizzled bone]

Maybe they're just using their 10 free tokens

I still have mine

[vapid lake]

Damn what're u guys saving those for

I spent all 10 as soon as i got them

[wanton juniper]

It's not even that, it's the fact he held them for that long if that's the case and suddenly decided to use them. I'm laughing at how angry I made him by making him spend a ton to CP gap me. At least they can finally get some sleep. I'm in Korea for the orchestra and this dude was actually checking his phone at all time of day. No matter what time I hit him, he was on an hour later. Paranoia set in.

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

Forna worthy rival

I still have mine there

[grizzled bone]

havent seen a reason to use them tbh

Rookie is more important for newer players anyway

[grizzled bone]

playing mind games i see

[wanton juniper]

Yea basically. It was fun while it lasted. I'll eventually close the gap again and do it again.

Should likely close it up during EVA event since I've hoarded gems and will spend if I need to in order to get them all.

[swift mango]

I was testing comps one day and used them all that same day.

Man people in my bracket might be thinking I'm suck at attack because I keep losing in rookie.

[keen vapor]

[grizzled bone]

i do the same but havent used the chips yet

[wicked horizon]

The more you think about it the funnier it gets.

How does one beat a 2RL Cinderella team? (with Jackal in it)

[eager mountain]

2rl noah

[wicked horizon]

Hmm, yeah can't pull that off without deficit I'm afraid.

[wanton juniper]

Could be worth a try, I was beating my opponent with a 20k deficit. He doesn't know what he's doing. Took me having a 40k+ deficit for him to finally hold me. Even still I'm beating one of his 3 teams. Just can't do 2 anymore.

[wicked horizon]

I think he knows what he's doing with that team.

[swift mango]

4 star mission is 2 hour. 5 star mission is 2:30 hour. Man I wasted 300 gem on today reset....

[wicked horizon]

What's the hours got to do with anything?

[coarse lake]

2rl emi nuke with enough buffers

[wicked horizon]

I still don't have Emi

[coarse lake]

4-5rl delay cindy comp (depends on their exact units)

[swift mango]

Well, another guy yesterday didn't count the mission by star but by hours. I was pretty confused.

[wicked horizon]

When I'm attacking, I gotta watch out for the enemy's shotguns sniping me from behind, right?

[swift mango]

This spell out nice but in reality, hard to do.

[coarse lake]

if they got strong splash sub dps it's very doable

[swift mango]

Can just wall with Noah Biscuit and healer now.

[coarse lake]

although a 2rl comp with strong sub dps is.... kinda hard to do

well it really depends on the exact cindy comp

[coarse lake]

if you got the dps for it sure

[fast harness]

shotguns on defense attack p5 first yes

[wicked horizon]

Maybe deficit is overrated.

[wanton juniper]

I was referring to my person not knowing what they're doing. He had a scarlet/jackal comp that I was beating with a comp that shouldn't have been possible. He just sucked.

[coarse lake]

why don't you actually show their comp

[wicked horizon]

Nah, is okay, I won already. 👍

Lost that battle though, but I beat their team that was meant to CP diff win.

[wanton juniper]

Nice

[swift mango]

You don't need to say "still", make it sound like you will have another chance of getting her.

[wicked horizon]

Not the first time he's recommended Emi to me.

[coarse lake]

if you ask general question I'll give general answer

[wicked horizon]

I'm not faulting you for that.

I wouldn't remember who has what.

[serene orbit]

Could someone help cook SP team?

[umbral crown]

I still do not have RH

[keen vapor]

Can I use Moran on def?

[coarse lake]

sure if you want

[keen vapor]

But is it effective?

She's 6/10/10

[coarse lake]

depends on the rest of your comp

[keen vapor]

How to 2RL Moran Google search

I did it! I'm invincible!

@tropic summit I finally cooked something

[eager mountain]

but tf is the point running Moran here tho

[keen vapor]

uh, it was....

[umbral crown]

Cindy P2

[eager mountain]

Moran stall or either wasting Noah here or anchor emi for the rest of the team to tank nuke just so that both to be nuked anyway without Noah

[keen vapor]

If I use Noah is 2.5 RL

[strong hull]

@keen vapor u free?

Cook this man some stuff

[umbral crown]

@keen vapor

[keen vapor]

[strong hull]

Been a while since i calling you up for a 3 def

Its actually not my account tho

[vapid lake]

why dont u learn to cook lilbro u're an MA

[strong hull]

I can do but echocho better

My fav

[keen vapor]

Scar Blanc RH Centi Jackal

Noah Noise Cinderella Emilia Ice Maiden

Moran Tia Biscuit Scarlet Alter Helm treasure

[serene orbit]

tyvm

[keen vapor]

Be sure that noise has higher charge speed than Noah

Else, go Noise Noah positioning

[wintry viper]

Hi what teams should i use for the following defense in rookie arena?

[keen vapor]

Here @tropic summit
This is defense V3

[keen vapor]

Where your summer Anis

[keen vapor]

Scarlet 2 buff 2 RL

Nothing that Noah 2 RL can't take care of

[stray prism]

hi what team should i go to counter these 3? 🤔

[vapid lake]

T1 play scarjack, triple shotgun and MG feed u'll burst at the speed of the light (but ur pos 5 might die to 3 shotguns shooting it)
T2 just play cindy noah also but burst faster than him, which should be easy because he put his cindy in pos 1. don't make the same mistake as him

[keen vapor]

Moran Rapunzel biscuit summer Anis and SR Anis (or Centi and Rapunzel with quantum)

Noise/Jackal/Cinderella/ice maiden/Noah

[stray prism]

can you name specific comps? i forgot to link my roster: #pvp-arena message

but tyy so much in advanced

[serene orbit]

if helmt is s1 instead of s2, does that change comp rn

[keen vapor]

A bit

[hazy shore]

possible to beat without emilia or summer anis? (rookie)

[keen vapor]

Helm treasure?

[quick lake]

2RL Cindy

[quick lake]

Got rumani? Helm treasured?

[vapid lake]

Damn i just watched rapi one shot THREE UNITS on my opponent's team because they were jackal linked and the target of rapi's burst was electric
Wish i recorded that

[serene orbit]

no rumani, helm at s1

[coarse lake]

did nearly a 5 unit wipe bc they bursted with bay prior

[quick lake]

phase 1 u mean?

[serene orbit]

ye

[coarse lake]

strong 2rl rapipi has the potential to work

if their noise is linked and taunt prio

altho I didn't see recording bc it was during the time we had tons of pvp bugs, but I did "win" a fight with that

[vapid lake]

Rapi strong at attacking

I always believed

My opponent was noise-jackal-cindy link and all 3 died immediately when rapi bursted on noise

[hazy shore]

I will have her very soon just neeeeeeed mats

[serene orbit]

cheers ty

[wintry viper]

Thank you, the Noise team worked but the Moran team did not, too much CP difference, but that's okay

[tropic summit]

noah in p1 as the only single B2 on 3RL...

let's pray she has SR15 doll and temperance

[quick lake]

If Noise taunts, Noise can die too

[tropic summit]

also boosts enemy team burst gen if that happens

[quick lake]

[swift mango]

Use Rapu instead of Noise

not that I have rapu

[tropic summit]

considering it took you an year to find noah, maybe end of this year? 🤔

[tropic summit]

wait, didn't you find her?

[swift mango]

[quick lake]

She’ll spook u… eventually

[swift mango]

Finally 3/3 the 40+lv gap whale after awhile.

[tropic summit]

Elegg supremacy

[swift mango]

No Noah so Bay got to work...

[swift mango]

I was Jackaless until new year banner.

[grizzled bone]

[coarse lake]

you're lucky your whale uses trash teams

well ig that scar crown one could be worse

oh btw I finally tried out rosa sac and snipe today on atk

[swift mango]

He used Noah before but it was easier to beat his other team. So then dude realized he doesn't need Noah for that team to be 2rl lol

[coarse lake]

with 1 sac, my 30% atk rosa did.... about 60% of their laplace's hp... with a crit (actually it could have been someone else's hit instead of crit)

still worked out bc I factored in rosa snipe not doing anything, but it's funny

didn't kill their scar either

only reason I used rosa was to get speed advantage, but it just goes to prove that i'm right for not relying on rosa for atk, esp for snipe

used for sac only bc I had no other option

[lusty gull]

to handle cs breakpoint

[coarse lake]

got lucky with that whiff

[tender valve]

yap

[coarse lake]

tbh just match their speed and bring some good splash sub dps

get their biscuit to take indom

[vapid lake]

LaplaceT

[swift mango]

My rosa with 60 Ele could one shot his HelmT from max HP provide no deficit. Ofc you can't say investment issue on HelmT because HelmT is basically maxed doll...

But ofc you use Rosa for burst gen mainly now, not one shot.

[solid flare]

is there any benefit to getting Treasure helm skill1 lvl 10 to 17% charge speed?

[coarse lake]

sounds about right factoring in 1.7x dmg boost

[swift mango]

2.5rl team easier. And make 2rl team faster than actual 2rl

[coarse lake]

just barely

[quick lake]

With 17% cs from OL, u hit 2.5RL speed much more easily

Charging faster also helps build burstgen in pve faster as well

[tender valve]

https://tenor.com/view/death-note-gif-25596232

[swift mango]

Where are you going Mr.Iceshard?

[tender valve]

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-cook-cooking-up-american-psycho-christian-bale-cooking-gif-13777956329105100946

[swift mango]

There is also the bullet from Blanc that's about to kill her.

Where can I get this much power?

[covert lintel]

if we atk a team that has SG with rosanna in P5, which position will get targeted by their SG?

[swift mango]

P4 and move on until Rossana s1 expired that is

But only when you attack. When they attack you it's SR hitting p4

[strong hull]

@swift mango you free?

[solid flare]

I have that now. both 17% and phase 2 treasure with 10/7 skill but skill 2 doesn't affect charge.

just the extra stats from treasure upgrade

[swift mango]

SBS+Alice+Blanc+Mana+Rossana (Rossana s2 lv4+)

Maiden+QuencyEQ+Noir+Centi+Liter

Tia+B.Soda+Privaty+Anis+Rapipi

[strong hull]

[swift mango]

Miranda Treasure buff more than RH in some case.

[white zephyr]

anyone know what this mean?

[quick lake]

Can run 2.5RL with 17% CS on helm

[white zephyr]

or like alink to a guide

[quick lake]

https://www.prydwen.gg/nikke/guides/pvp-intro/

[white zephyr]

thanks

[quick lake]

2RL 2.5RL 3RL are burst speeds, can read more

[iron valley]

@graceful grotto can you help me with an update on the defense team for special arena ? i'm still using the old one you made for me but i got some new nikke since then

Blanc-Red Hood-Noir-Centi-Noise

Tia-Pepper-Biscuit-S.Anis-B.Soda

Crown-Rapunzel-Laplace (Treausre)-Sugar-Jackal

[sleek ginkgo]

What ol line gives the most cp ?
I tried some and atk def, doesn't gives that much cp compare to charge speed, charge DMG for rl,
I think even hit rate gives you higher cp

[graceful grotto]

Blanc-Sanis-Xmaiden-Rapunzel-Jackal

Noise-Grave-Anis-Cinderella-Noir

Centi-Biscuit-Laplace (T)-Red Hood-Bsoda

Try this

[graceful grotto]

Ele% give the most

Others are the same, it depends on the % range u rolled

[sleek ginkgo]

Rlly ? My bad roll charge speed, gives me more cp than 2 lines, atk% and def % combine

[graceful grotto]

Prolly higher roll

[iron valley]

no scarlet?

and i was so happy that i finally got her

[graceful grotto]

Scarlet? U mean scarlet: black shadow?

She's pretty good, once you invest enough on her, she can be slot in T3 as a main B3

[iron valley]

yes. don't look at which one of my nikke are invested into or not. i can invest into them without any problems

i just wanted to know, based on all the nikkes i have, what defensive teams would be the best so i can work on upgrading the new nikkes (if needed)

[graceful grotto]

U can do centi-biscuit-sbs-red hood-laplace (T)

Some meta unit you can try to get/wishlist:

1. Scarlet OG, Noah, Helm (Treasure)

2. Rumani

[swift mango]

Get helm treasure then.

[graceful grotto]

Yeap helm treasure is priority for pvp

[swift mango]

GL

[graceful grotto]

If you get her, then you will have much better team comp (2 RL)

[swift mango]

With 0Lb helm

[graceful grotto]

How's your helm blood

10 7 7?

[swift mango]

775

3 CS line

[graceful grotto]

I have 0 CS line

[swift mango]

[graceful grotto]

Stones are not helpful

[swift mango]

Just roll for them

[graceful grotto]

I think my helm is now more like a PVE based lol

All ele and atk came but no CS

[swift mango]

My priority is CS>Ele>>>>>>ATK>All

[iron valley]

wait. helm treasure?

[swift mango]

[graceful grotto]

Yes

She's the fastest burst gen unit in the game now

[iron valley]

huh. aight. had no idea

aight. i will focus on getting her treasure

[swift mango]

Rossana is technically the fastest.

Jackal is optionally fastest

[graceful grotto]

Yeah true

[swift mango]

[graceful grotto]

Jackal with Scarlet still fastest kewk

Link goes brrrrrr

[swift mango]

Helm is the fastest without any condition attached.

[graceful grotto]

Now we know Eva weapon type, no new pvp meta for now I supposed

[swift mango]

Well, Rossana is arena meta even with MG

[graceful grotto]

Hahahaha imagine if we get a Rosanna like niche but Meta in PvE too

[final wedge]

He manage to break thru us @random tundra

I think I'll switch back to my 50:50 formation

[random tundra]

on it.

[random tundra]

sec cooking, he changed his defence comp

[random tundra]

done

[final wedge]

Ok my turn

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

Wait for kits

Blanc is AR and she meta

[grizzled bone]

even if no pvp units, Asuka last EVA collab ended up being pretty meta for pve content

[fathom rock]

Also realized that eric guy probably does wipeouts

[summer copper]

Because their guild is chinese?

[fathom rock]

Because their commander lvl is higher than the bracket avg
Aside from the fact that he is a spender anyway

[swift mango]

Wipe out and do your tower more.

[grizzled bone]

doing an additional wipe out daily translates to more resources but you basically lose out on a 10 pull or more down the road

generally not worth it for newer accounts when you're trying to complete your box

[umbral crown]

Imagine doing that...

Could not be me

[summer copper]

Only wipeout for liberation

[fathom rock]

Sorry wha

[fathom rock]

Elysion and pilgrim pushing
Missilis 285 walled
Tetra 279 walled
Main 390 walled
Campaign 23-21 walled
What you wnat me to do more

And i need 1 more port down to beat 390

[shell hazel]

I'm doing it twice a day atm helps me progress a bit quicker for a small cost

I can burn 3000 gems quite easily on a 10 pull for nothing I feel like this at least gets me something no matter what 😄

I cover it with the daily gem pack though atm

[cedar orbit]

whales

[fathom rock]

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/fish-gif-22511058

[fathom rock]

Oh that felt good

[swift mango]

Guess you just have to wipe out more then

[shell hazel]

it should show a special icon if you lose all 3 fights in the records 😄

I rarely bother trying to win 3 and just throw anyone into it

[eternal finch]

Any recommendations vs this player? Lose all 3 rounds now.

[shell hazel]

check your cp deficit for starters less than 85% of their CP = you get stat penalties

your team 2 is at deficit.

[eternal finch]

YEha I think they got more cp now,

That's what I feared

[shell hazel]

they quite far ahead you may just be dead from cp gap

[eternal finch]

Top 4 are whale son my end so I guess I'll stick to #6 from now on lol

[shell hazel]

if you can hold 4-6 it's fine

can't beat the proper whales unless they stop, or you get near enough on them in terms of power

[eternal finch]

Any recs for defense wiht my current roster?

[shell hazel]

it's 300 gems less not worth too much hassle 🙂

I can't help with it really I got my teams from Railtracer here, they may help you when they get online 🙂

also may have comments on whether you can even win those but I am not sure, whale gonna whale

[glad meteor]

Did you not block nuke in team 3?

I’m wondering if they have CS

[fathom rock]

Works as insurance incase something goes wrong

[eternal finch]

team was too fast, didn't burst in time

[shell hazel]

if they have units with CS they can burst quicker and you can't see it necessarily

[glad meteor]

They probably have CS

[fathom rock]

2rl scar nuke t1
2.5rl noah biscu cindy nuke t3

Cs on t3 huh

[swift mango]

You mean 0+50 gem or 50+70 gem?

[shell hazel]

0+50

0+50+70 is a bit too whaley for me

[swift mango]

Be clear on what you say

[shell hazel]

well it is clear haha, two wipe outs per day is two wipe outs 😄

two additional wipe outs per day is a different thing

[eternal finch]

yeah, I think the CP is greater now, penalty is affecting at this point

[shell hazel]

if you can get within CP range it's doable

you just need to take their CP and multiply by 0.85 to see your min

[fathom rock]

cindy comp can handle some deficit, t1 wont tho

Have helm treasure?

[swift mango]

Do you?

[shell hazel]

we were just chatting about that in the team building channel 😄

[fathom rock]

I can phase 3 her but those stupid dolls dont super success

[fathom rock]

So he doesnt

[swift mango]

This is real whale.

[shell hazel]

he didn't, maybe on the way

[fathom rock]

What im f2p

[shell hazel]

#team-building message

[swift mango]

Phase 3 before a month in whale territory

[fathom rock]

Bro i just has wayyyy too many leftover laplace and exia mats thats all, i accidentally got 320 instead of 160 on laplace for example

[fathom rock]

So no
Well this is rough

[swift mango]

The exchange rate is still 5 for 1.

You need exchange 800 for 160.

[wild badge]

[fathom rock]

Ill have mats to phase 3 before i get sr15

[swift mango]

107 already?

[shell hazel]

@eternal finch you can get to 2RL with Helm easier as she basically has the best burst gen in the game atm

[fathom rock]

And i wasted first 3 days on drake dispatch so not even most optimal

[fathom rock]

But he have no helmeT

[wild badge]

wya for doll level for helm retro

[shell hazel]

he's working on it 😄

[swift mango]

I also wasted 3 days and no even close to 100

[fathom rock]

How many of these can you actually convert tho

[wild badge]

none

[swift mango]

This is still not enough for 160 btw

[fathom rock]

Yeah i just need to wait a few hours and claim my dispatch

[eternal finch]

I just literally OL my Helm from zero

[swift mango]

Still not enough

[shell hazel]

how far off on doll/materials to treasure p3?

[swift mango]

Need like another 3 days.

[fathom rock]

107 + 3 current dispatch + 47 from convert is 157

[eternal finch]

Tresure will take a while, I focused on Drake because she was part of my PVP defense

[fathom rock]

Dang

[shell hazel]

i'm hiding my helm for now as she is like my ace in the hole

[swift mango]

Not 160

[shell hazel]

I doubt many people have invested in her in my bracket yet

but she's awesome on attacks to beat enemy to bursting

[fathom rock]

Just gotta wait a bit more

[wild badge]

thelm for me is still on sr5

[swift mango]

3 guys who higher synch than me in my bracket have Helm. The non whale CN guy first. 2 whale later on. The rest still no helm. (Not sure since they haven't hit me down for awhile).

[shell hazel]

my bracket still middle of campaign it seems they aren't too focus on helm or other pvp units yet

[eternal finch]

Current Helm rolls after 20 rocks

[shell hazel]

not bad 🙂

[swift mango]

Unless you were 501+ you would always be in middle of campaign.

[shell hazel]

she's good on kraken btw, try her as a replacement for Naga if you run her now

[eternal finch]

Had to sacrifice 3 rocks and 40 locks for a extra ammmo

[fathom rock]

Well if what i told you aint within cp range on t1 or his t3 has enough cs to push 2rl wont work
Was thinking
scar/centi/anis/rh/jackal t1
Noah/biscuit/cindy/rumani/emi (must have 21% cs total) t3

[shell hazel]

she doesn't want too much ammo afaik

as her skill has a last bullet thing - but a bit more ammo is good

[eternal finch]

exactly, that single line empty at the end, that was the ammo re-roll to elimiante it

[swift mango]

She still died in phase 5 Kraken to me. Not getting one shot like Naga but still ded

[shell hazel]

rapi b1 stops most of the missiles for mine

which otherwise would maybe kill her 😄

[eternal finch]

Helm 10/10/10, right?

[swift mango]

Tentacles swing just wipe your team at phase 5+.

[shell hazel]

yeah it is, 10/4/4 for pvp

[swift mango]

[shell hazel]

but you want the other 2 for pve

[fathom rock]

If have helmeT can run t1 scar/centi/helmeT/rh/jackal t1 for padding

[shell hazel]

might be why I can't hit 5 yet

[eternal finch]

working on T right now

[swift mango]

Guess I need either 4th Ele line on SBS or wait for 361.

[shell hazel]

i'm sync 237 so can't get anyone to 5 yet though most are 4 except MC

[fathom rock]

Mine not pvp ready yet (im farming boots i ran out of elysion)

[shell hazel]

and that is probably as I have no idea what I'm doing with all the spinning QTEs and invincible bits 😄

[fathom rock]

Just comfy s3 till you can go for s6

[shell hazel]

yeah I need boots as well... I need to go back to harvester for a bit

[shell hazel]

I can auto to 4 on kraken reliably, it's the easiest one to auto I find

[swift mango]

Yeah, I'm gonna keep auto with Naga for phase 5 until 361.

Manual and still phase 5 isn't funny.

[fathom rock]

S5 at 341 is crazy how you not s7 yet

[shell hazel]

i'm not running SBS / Alice as my RH/Cindy do more damage due to being properly invested somewhat

[swift mango]

Real question is How YOU aren't phase 7 though?

[fathom rock]

But i am s7 wdym

[swift mango]

Last I saw your comment few days ago you said you could only hit phase 6.

[fathom rock]

https://youtu.be/O7LlcsY1CMs

[swift mango]

[fathom rock]

Recorder is even nerfing me more

[swift mango]

You player on mobile but with mini keyboard pad so it's not actually mobile.

[fathom rock]

Mini what now

[shell hazel]

i'm just going to accept 2 rolls on this cindy bit for now but I want to push the ammo roll up a bit, should I temp lock the atk or just try my luck at blue/black lining something?

[fathom rock]

I dont use my k&m on mobile tho, i rarely do that

[swift mango]

Sure

[fathom rock]

You should full roll for a 3rd line or tempo lock atk and go for element if you dont care about getting 12/12 cindy

[shell hazel]

it took me 12 rocks to get no decent 3rd line on full re-roll

I can't spare more to keep trying it for now

[fathom rock]

Avg ol experience

[swift mango]

Lock attack until you get Ele or 3 line

[shell hazel]

eventually I would if I come back to it but I think I'd need more rocks

like a lot more rocks

for now I just wanted better ammo roll so not sure if just reset attributes on both was better odds than temp lock 2 and just re-roll 1st one

[swift mango]

The 27.84% ammo is basically none.

[shell hazel]

it is indeed hence I want to improve it 😄

[swift mango]

Temp lock attack then reroll

[shell hazel]

those 2 lines was still the best roll I had in the 12 rocks I fed into the grinder

[swift mango]

If getting 3rd line or Ele then stop.

[shell hazel]

I want to move onto some other gear after that, I'm just using spare rocks from basic OL for now

I can't afford it atm, but if a few rocks gets these a bit better I'll take it for now

I don't have any spare rocks at all right now

[fathom rock]

Thats +7 ammo to cindy

[swift mango]

What no decent you mean? Crit rate, Charge DMG, ATK and Ele are all decent on Cindy.

DEf is also nice for arena

[shell hazel]

yeah either line 3 missing or just like hit rate or w/e

[swift mango]

I would rather 11.8% hit rate than that.

[fathom rock]

Best : element/ammo
Good : atk
Decent : crit rate/ dmg
Meh : charge dmg/speed
No : hitrate/def

[fathom rock]

Wild statement

[swift mango]

That's 10k CP vs 7 ammo.

[fathom rock]

But its cindy 7 ammo more raid dmg and she wont be used much in campaign

[shell hazel]

if I can get ammo to like 50-60% I'll just leave it for now I have other pieces that need more rocks 🙂

[flint halo]

How do u beat noise noah cindy biscuit jackal team

[bleak latch]

same team with anis summer instead cindy
but swapped noah to p1 noise to p2

[swift mango]

You either lock ATK for full reroll or just move on to another piece. Lock ATK to reroll attribute on 2 lines aren't good.

Just dont

[shell hazel]

well lock atk to roll attributes would only be on 1 line after the lock

[swift mango]

Unless a line is blue or Black, don't lock it when reroll attribute

[shell hazel]

that was my question, should I lock it as 9% atk is OK or just spend 1 rock to reset both and see?

instead it's kind of turned into a full re-roll for line 3 but I can't try it yet, whilst I do appreciate it's the better long term thing

[swift mango]

I would lock ATK and do full reset so I have the chance for Ele line and 3rd line.

But you do you

[shell hazel]

yeah I know it's best but I can't afford it atm

I'll have to return to that idea when I have saved up some

[swift mango]

But you CAN afford lock attack to reroll attribute

[shell hazel]

not really if it takes too many I was kind of hoping it would be a rock or two and then done 😄

if I lock line 2 and re-roll it, my odds of getting right stats on 1 + 3 are kind of low

I mean 30% of line 3 even appearing, this could get costly fast

[swift mango]

3rd line could be DEF and it would be better than none.

[shell hazel]

but if line 1 is bad I then have to lock 2/3 and re-roll 1

[swift mango]

Not really unless both line being Hit rate and DEF. Even then if combine rank being above 10 it's still decent.

If you don't want that then just ignore that gear

[shell hazel]

wish rock income was a bit better it's so slow, even people that clear stage 7 seem to support that

[swift mango]

I once lock blackline Ammo to reroll tier 3 CS for tier 3 CS again, even tier 1 could happen. It's nothing guarantee.

Locking attribute is the most wasteful of it all.

You could also lock ATK and get Ammo again anyway. Even exactly same tier.

So good luck

[shell hazel]

yeah no worries thanks, I'll have to consider options.

some are a bit more obvious like this is clear lock line 3 and re-roll

[eager mountain]

tier11 is usually high enough that’s already top 5% roll

So getting the mc title actually tilted that mf into attacking me… the hell is wrong with him

[shell hazel]

yes that would be perma lock for 11.8%

wouldn't try to min/max that really not worth it

[eager mountain]

Generally u wanna aim for higher elem tier then other rolls but that’s more of a pve thing

[shell hazel]

yeah I do use Cindy in both (she's in main campaign team atm)

[eager mountain]

Cindy wise

Ol doesn’t do much to her

Atk diluted heavily cuz of hp scaled buff

[shell hazel]

yeah somewhat cp pad. I think ele/ammo are good on her though

[eager mountain]

Ammo isn’t bad but not that essential compared to many others

[shell hazel]

attack longer and better against elec weak then

[eager mountain]

So pve wise only elem matters for her

But atk line obviously still important in PvP

So it’s still elem>atk>other dmg line

[eager mountain]

1 ammo is more then enough

[shell hazel]

these are her rolls atm

two on right I was leaving for now

[eager mountain]

🤔

[shell hazel]

am ok with blue line crit on line 3

[eager mountain]

Wait a sec, lemme atk that mf back first

[shell hazel]

yeah no worries I was going to throw some food into the oven quick

[eager mountain]

havent use rh for attack b3 for decades lol

if u still wanna toss more rocks on her then

reroll shoes's 1st and 2nd first til a good line pops up, if u get ammo from it then maybe u can reroll out head's for elem line, etc

crit dmg line is still mostly for cp pad

[shell hazel]

cp pad has it's purpose for now (need more CP on campaign team at least)

on body I'd probably roll the def off for something else, it's 3 rocks a go but 100% chance to be something at least

guess I could just temp lock atk on helm and re-roll it for 2 rocks, I'd def get something on line 1 and maybe something on line 3

and gloves just temp lock and re-roll and hope for a good line 1/2 seems the way, but yeah I do need more rocks 😄

[eager mountain]

Yeah, I would say not worry too much on Cindy now

Ur still sync 237, I recommend getting good rrh lines for all ai and campaign teams first

[shell hazel]

RRH is OK, better state than cindy I think, but yeah could be made better 🙂

4 x ATK, 2 x Ammo, 2 x Ele

[eager mountain]

It’s good but sadly far from being min max’d (not getting the good 3rd line first) tho she don’t need all gears to be minmaxed

[wild badge]

can reroll that bottom right image fully for sure

at least until you get something good on 3rd line

[eager mountain]

Yeah, reroll the whole thing, since only good line on 1st line

[brazen ledge]

Need 3x ammo for her

[eager mountain]

She need 145%-155%ish ammo line in total, assuming sr15 doll

Tho 2 69 lines is enough as b1 since faster cdr

[shell hazel]

will do 🙂

yeah bottom right was just OK for now type deal

[eager mountain]

Don’t lock atk

[shell hazel]

nah I know

[eager mountain]

Average 10ish rocks fresh roll will get u one of the lines she want for 3rd

[shell hazel]

she's 100% long term used everywhere need good line 3

[eager mountain]

More importantly, she’s highly ol dependent

Unlike Cindy

[shell hazel]

think bottom left was 1st roll I had as well

[eager mountain]

Ammo and atk and elem, all does more to rrh in comparison

[shell hazel]

didn't spend too much on her yet (except top left that took me way too long to get 2nd line to appear)

luckily it was ammo honestly I was going to just accept whatever it was 😄

[strange rain]

what u guys think winnable ??

[shell hazel]

it took me 8 rolls with 1/3 locked for anything to show up on middle line so 24 rocks, and 8 lost 50/50's

[eager mountain]

Looks winnable despite deficit, only2 rl messing with rh

[shell hazel]

or 7 lost ones I think

[eager mountain]

Minmax is almost always starting with 3rd then 2nd then 1st

She need 3 gears doing that unless of lucky ammo tier

[shell hazel]

yeah it's a longer term thing for sure I do plan to return to her as well, but I need to full OL SBS as well at some point. not enough resources yet

[bleak latch]

love seeing this

hope i can hold out atleast a week

[shell hazel]

@swift mango lol 😄

it's ele line 1 but damn that is like the lowest possible roll 😄

don't even know if I want to take it, I guess ele better than ammo maybe here but I need to get a higher roll than 10.94%

my luck on OL rolls is extremely variable

this will do for now

[strange rain]

how bout this ?

[unkempt kestrel]

any chance i win?

nope got destroyed

[hoary hill]

3rd place again

[tropic summit]

always calculate deficit first richard

364k vs 457 = 21% deficit
397k vs 483 = 20% deficit

lose both, remote chance with scar-jack teams or with biscuit teams

[unkempt kestrel]

i won the first one.

my second one just got fcked too hard

[tropic summit]

yes cuz jackal

you'd need a jackal team + a full campaign team against those CP

[unkempt kestrel]

yeh

[wise horizon]

[tropic summit]

T2 maybe, T1 lose as slower and your RH is in p1

don't use RH in p1 (your teams are on the left, enemy on the right)

also use burst gen calculator so you can get a better idea yourself, don't just ask always in chat

doc: #pvp-arena message

web: https://nikke-deck.web.app/

[strange rain]

oh iv'e been looking for it tysm : )

[tropic summit]

yeah we might need to tailor your teams better against that opponent, post enemy 3 teams and your box

🤨

[shell hazel]

skill 10 next target

[tropic summit]

out of curiosity, emi is burst skill lv 10 and is full OL geared, right? any atk% OL on her?

@wise horizon

[shell hazel]

we're stealing back 1 and holding it most of the time so far Railtracer 😄

they have not adjusted the teams they use, so I'm just auto winning them, but maybe one day they will

[tropic summit]

oh he's not gemming yet uh

[shell hazel]

nope

[tropic summit]

gonna be a while like that i guess

[shell hazel]

yeah 😄

if he changes def I'll re-consider approach but so far it's same as the other day

and I'm still working on helm

man they are persistent with the scams

[wise horizon]

One attack line. All OL geared and 4 7 7 skills

[glad meteor]

No noah oh. There is noah

[coarse lake]

Hmm, it does seem to sorta line up with my theory

5rl Blanc Cindy

Blanc/Rumani/biscuit/Cindy/rapipi if in cp range

[tropic summit]

oh ok non maxed burst skill that's why they survived with full team instead of just jackal and noah

remind me is your helm treasured?

either way you could try this next, else just get emi to lvl9 or lvl10 burst skill

[umbral belfry]

I keep getting t9m gear for everyone but my campaign team and it's tempting me to level them up

[gloomy igloo]

this way in defense Rumani > Noise > Centi > Cinderella in term of burst use?

[shell hazel]

Rumani > Centi > Helm

left to right auto burst

left most b1, b2, b3

if you want cindy b3 swap her with helm

[gloomy igloo]

But in defense?

Not attack

idk if its the same thats the question of burst order

[shell hazel]

does it flip the positions around? I can't recall

[glad meteor]

It’s the same

[gloomy igloo]

Bet thnx

[shell hazel]

so yeah place with left to right in mind

[gloomy igloo]

Yeah got it just swap helm and cindy

[strange linden]

need advice against these comps, not sure how to proceed

[grand plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/excited-smile-creepy-haha-matrix-gif-17389141

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/toy-story-aliens-cute-the-claw-gif-2992999473414330557

[wise horizon]

Yeah it’s T2 but it can T3 if needed

[shell hazel]

if you got the materials I'd boost it to T3? seems a waste not to

she is useful elsewhere as well

am planning to build mine for pvp primarily but I'll make her usable in other places as well 🙂

[remote sphinx]

could i ask assistance for setting up 3 pvp teams with what i have right now? to try get the points/rank up if possible for gems. my campaign team (liter,crown,naga,sbs,ein atm) has the highest cp atm idk if that matters

[tropic summit]

taking a look

[tropic summit]

looks like you can run 2 4RL teams and 1 cp padded team for now

miranda naga ein anis liter
crown sbs maiden anchor n102
auto team

wishlist to improve your teams:

biscuit, noah, rumani, centi, scarlet, cindy, rapunzel, noise

get your teams reviewed once you find some of them

on longer term objective work toward helm treasure

[remote sphinx]

4RL?

[shell hazel]

imaging helm treasure before most get 160 wall broken 😮

[tropic summit]

looks like you dealing with kind of a weird opponent... they've fully stacked batteries on cindy team (even beyond needed) while making the other 2 teams rather average

-for T1 you can run a 2RL noah comp, possibly without feed, it's scarlet without indom so you only need to catch her burst then kill her off afterward
-for T2 it's actually a very slow team, either a 3RL or faster cindy buffed nuke or a standard scar-jack on 3RL or faster
-T3 is probably best ignorable, else you can beat it with a 2RL noah with a DPS B3 (s.anis, SBS)

[tropic summit]

you can give this a read, should take you 5 mins

https://nikke.gg/arena-mechanics/

teaches you all the jargon you'd need to familiarize with

[remote sphinx]

oh i was about to ask if theres a good resource to learn about pvp lol

[tropic summit]

oh i c, just go with the above for now then lemme know how it goes

#pvp-arena message

[tropic summit]

gotcha covered

[remote sphinx]

thanks a lot for this tho! i do have some of those on the wishlist, mostly went for pve meta/waifu there but added a few pvp units i saw people say are broken

[shell hazel]

it's not broken as such just more use in pvp than pve

[tropic summit]

yes there are clear tiers for pvp units, some are essentially core units in fact

[remote sphinx]

[shell hazel]

some combos are strong/some units are neede to make certain strats work

[tropic summit]

you'll want to have at least 2 archetype set up

-a jackal team that can benefit from feed, possibly comboed with scarlet or indom
-a noah team that can anti nuke and counter with its own nuke or a DPS B3

once you've those 2, in general you can win any attack attempt, unless CP gapped

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/helm-gif-27489455

and the best unit treasured

[remote sphinx]

feed as in?

for the jackal

[shell hazel]

if units attack jackal linked units they feed you more burst

so if enemy has like MG units it can make you burst quicker

[remote sphinx]

ah

[shell hazel]

or if they put cindy in p1 (show em the vid Railtracer) 😄

[remote sphinx]

thanks both, i will probably return here if i happen to get any pvp relevant nikkes or just questions

[shell hazel]

it's all Railtracer - I'm a student, he is the master

https://tenor.com/view/bruce-lee-bow-master-smile-gif-12836743947500287438

[elder walrus]

hey... so this has been my current team since someone helped me pick one out but i was wondering if there was any changes that someone might offer at this time? #pvp-arena message

i didnt get emilia and i still havent been able to pull cindy

[strange linden]

scarlet doesn't work on the first team? I tried her and she died so quickly even with jackal's buff
still somehow win with Helm burst killing his scarlet in time

[hollow lagoon]

Hakotaro of server 24173

I have cracked your team mechanically, you will be farmed

[shell hazel]

they might be here, in the walls!

[hollow lagoon]

My team of 250k will now proceed to chew you every day

[hollow lagoon]

Good if he finds out, more fun. This guy has been farming me for good 2 months, now it’s pay back

[shell hazel]

haha

I had a rookie arena guy kept beating me and then I started beating him so we just traded a bit 😄

it's people with the anchor profile pic

[shell hazel]

see, anchor pfp people are evil 😄

[glad meteor]

It’s true

[hollow lagoon]

If I change my def team he will lose bus I don’t want him to know my new team so I’ll just keep trading

[glad meteor]

anchor profile pic even steals my teams

[hollow lagoon]

I haven’t changed my profile pic since the beginning

[shell hazel]

we have 3 confirmations, so it's 100% confirmed!

[hollow lagoon]

I been product 23 for eternity

[shell hazel]

not an anchor pic so it's not evil

I don't set a proper rookie def mine is just my campaign team 😄

[hollow lagoon]

Now I will proceed to rule rooky arena until more than 1 person crack my def team

[hollow lagoon]

Lel high cp deterrent?

[shell hazel]

I don't want people to be able to test an actual def team I use in sp-arena if we happen to share the brackets

as rookie doesn't really matter I just try and get 5 wins per day and hit back at people who try and hit me too much 😄

[hollow lagoon]

My sp arena teams aren’t as sophisticated as my rookie team

[shell hazel]

sp-arena is more important there be gems there

rookie is just for messing about

[hollow lagoon]

I haven’t been attacked in sp arena in a while

[shell hazel]

am in a tug of war for 1st atm

[hollow lagoon]

Here’s my story

[hollow lagoon]

I build 2 working PvP team and a meh ish team and I ended in a tug of war

Then one day my brain told me why don I improve 2 teams a bit mechanically, and just shove the highest CP attacks in the last team

Then I end up with this

[shell hazel]

you gap CP a lot there

[hollow lagoon]

880k deterrent

[shell hazel]

my bracket is much closer

[hollow lagoon]

Well no

If I tried to build 3 teams it would be around the 600-700k mark

But my team 3 is honestly just

[shell hazel]

problem is anyone who knows what they're doing can just skip the silly high CP team

[hollow lagoon]

They can but they have to guarantee 2 win from of my 2 properly built PvP teams

[shell hazel]

you're level 253 with sync 265?!

[hollow lagoon]

Yes sir

[shell hazel]

im 267 but sync 238 😄

[brazen ledge]

Because you didn’t really use your cases wisely

You could’ve waited and be much higher by now

[shell hazel]

I dunno I haven't had that many cases to save up

[hollow lagoon]

Idk use immediately to level up so u can push further so you can get higher dust/ hour

[shell hazel]

the people near me are similar levels to me highest is like sync 246

when did you start playing?

[hollow lagoon]

Mid of old story

[shell hazel]

similar here, not sure how you got so many extra levels, I'd need thousands of core dust boxes to make that gap up 😄

[hollow lagoon]

Being home owner mean you don’t pay rent

Being single means no paying for dates

=anime waifu gets my wallet

Also erm my account according to my friends

Is lucky?

[shell hazel]

how far in campaign/hard pushed?

I'm spending a bit but not really on core dust

[shell hazel]

similar here, I'm a bit further on normal and a bit behind on hard mode

[hollow lagoon]

I only push hard because on normal I like to go through 1 setting

[shell hazel]

I was going to push hard mode a bit when I OL next bit on crown - for CP reasons

[hollow lagoon]

Crown is great

[shell hazel]

I started like, 2nd or 3rd of Nov I think

[hollow lagoon]

Me too on 3rd

[shell hazel]

the level gap is mainly bought core dust things? it's a lot of levels 😄

[hollow lagoon]

Core dust bought yes

[shell hazel]

what do you buy typically?

I got the gem/supply pass packs, and some of the event ones for tickets mostly

[hollow lagoon]

Dust/skill books

And the gear level up

[shell hazel]

you buying daily packs? which ones if you can show me?

[hollow lagoon]

The daily ones

The 6.99 cad

Bro u do not want to play like me lol

[shell hazel]

nono I was just interested in what the difference was haha

as we started at a similar time

?

[hollow lagoon]

I also wipeout with gems a lot

[vapid lake]

🐳

[hollow lagoon]

Yes

[hollow lagoon]

Yes

[shell hazel]

nah I won't buy too much I don't mind spending some but yeah that starts to add up 😄

[hollow lagoon]

It’s adding up for me too tbh

But it’s not like I need money at the moment?

[shell hazel]

being realistic I could drop $20/day on stuff and be fine but I don't think I'd look back and think it was wisely spent

[hollow lagoon]

My small account has 50k CAD in it

So I’ll be fine as long as I keep it above 30k

[shell hazel]

I invest most of mine it's earning me interest etc

[hollow lagoon]

My bulk of saving account is in a 4%

Interest

[shell hazel]

I get these ones

[hollow lagoon]

I like these too

[shell hazel]

the left most pack on the events usually

20 pulls/$20 basically

[hollow lagoon]

That’s the only worthy pack from events tbh kek

[shell hazel]

if they do it the step up first 2 steps is decent enough

[hollow lagoon]

Gold molds are scam

[shell hazel]

yeah they are, I get the battle pass with the adv tickets usually as well I don't bother with the other one

I got the Sin one I don't even have her 😄

[hollow lagoon]

Well I skipped out on Isabell’s skin

And I regret

[shell hazel]

that is kind of how I work anyway just limits stuff to a couple of packs a month and then the daily pass stuff

I use those for skill books mostly right now

[hollow lagoon]

Yeah

Gotta level skills on Helm lol

[shell hazel]

not judging at all btw I was merely interested to see how you did it, I guess the core dust packs do add up if you do that each day

[hollow lagoon]

Also wipeouts

[shell hazel]

if the guy I am competing with wants to buy levels I'm not going to keep up 😄

yeah they are good I just do that once extra - so 0 cost + 50 gems

small nod to getting more core dust in

[hollow lagoon]

Tbh I been groomed by my friend to join his day1 clear union so I kinda pumped fairly hard

Bro is like your ain’t commander 250, im like yeah but most 250 ain’t sync 260

[shell hazel]

we were like 3 bosses off day 1 clear last one

for normal mode, some afk I'm sure

Helm 9/4/4 working on it myself as well

[hollow lagoon]

I was in a day2 clear union

They don’t lack power But they have afks

[hollow lagoon]

I’m on 8/6/6

[shell hazel]

skill 1 is key pvp skill

get to 10 before others if you can

[hollow lagoon]

I don’t need it

Bursting too fast now days I had to remove quantum cube

And SP bracket nobody is trying to deal with me

[shell hazel]

in pvp? don't think you can burst too fast

faster the better? instant burst if you can 😄

[hollow lagoon]

No cuz if that’s the case my Noah is not catching the other guy’s Cinderella burst

[shell hazel]

what levels are the guys in 2/3 at sync wise?

[hollow lagoon]

240

Or 230 range

[shell hazel]

yeah would be about right I think

[hollow lagoon]

The problem is this one guy must been investing in PvP only

He’s 280k but I’m working with a 250k team even tho my sync is 40 higher

Guy must have ol and max dolls on every unit lol

[shell hazel]

let me see what my team is if I use the same ones

[hollow lagoon]

He’s sync 223 and 291k

[shell hazel]

lmao yeah quite a lot more invested 😄

they've switched p4/p5! 😮

[hollow lagoon]

Wouldn’t matter his team will die to my counter team

Burst rotation is still the same

[shell hazel]

my Noah is about 10K CP less than my usual pvp unit basics are

[hollow lagoon]

My Noah is

[shell hazel]

so I guess if I had somewhat put any effort into Noah I'd have 210K at 238 sync, vs their 291k at 223 sync

[hollow lagoon]

41437

[shell hazel]

so yeah they def done more work, overloads and dolls and such certainly