pvp-arena

[quick lake]

Yeah, I think this is better

I usually like the following:

Cindy/ (Noise + Cindy)
Scar Grave RH Jackal
Blanc Biscuit SBS/SAnis

Unbuffed SBS can have a hard time trying to kill the opponent. No indom on her for T2 as well

But generally ur teams are fine

[plucky charm]

nice thank you

[raven plover]

damn naked t2

[plucky charm]

what could i change

[raven plover]

nothing

[umbral crown]

Show and give

[stone warren]

Hi everyone, need some new perspective for special arena def. These are my nikkes, thank you 🙏 😊

[keen vapor]

Let's see

[tulip quest]

Special arena hmm will it come march for sure?

[keen vapor]

We're waiting for Champion Arena Lazypod

[solemn matrix]

I can't wait to get combat power gapped

[tulip quest]

ya but shiftup was known To have delayed it already so im about 50-50

[umbral crown]

[tulip quest]

Noah Team, Noise Cindy Team, Emilia Blanc Team, 2 others could be Moran, Bay 5th ONE IS HIGHEST CP TEAM

This is just my general suggestion could be different depending on your taste

[keen vapor]

Lazypod

He didn't asked for champion arena teams

[keen vapor]

Holy, is that maxed skills Rosanna with 40% attack?

[umbral crown]

Lazypod cooking

Learn echo

[keen vapor]

[tulip quest]

Oh my bad hahahha

[keen vapor]

You won this

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/946720097031045161/1297132224541364246/kisama.mp4?ex=675763c5&is=67561245&hm=75448ce1e766fdbdf153671138ba7ff0ba79d5642bbf4f34dd6c067de52a2a93&

[tulip quest]

im not using core dust cases 2600 now stack so that Shift up would give me lower leveled bracket

[gaunt viper]

Thoughts on how to beat this comp? I struggled against him in the past and seeked help here and managed to come to a solution in the end but now they've changed it up by adding THelm and I'm not sure how to counteract it. thank you for any aid

[keen vapor]

I already tried that, it doesn't works

[tulip quest]

Avoid Cindy Team HELMT Too fast burst gen

[umbral crown]

I better... say nothing

[gaunt viper]

[umbral crown]

This channel should be renamed to : the bricked bois

[quick lake]

Seems like ur main pvp units are invested well. Can consider more fringe units like:

Mari as another buffer
DPS Blanc + Mana
Moran/Bay team 3
THelm
SSak Blanc RH Jackal
Stall team

[keen vapor]

[umbral crown]

Box of culture
I like it

[umbral crown]

Yew but...

Hola

[glad meteor]

Team 3 needs quantum to block nuke

[gaunt viper]

ngl idk what id do against the 1st. before I was just consistently beating the 2nd and 3rd

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-what-confused-awkward-gif-4331504

[umbral crown]

I better do not yell at them

[gaunt viper]

rn Noah (Tempering), Biscuit (Vigor), SBS (Bastion), other two are Quantum

[vapid lake]

ammo for pvp bois

[tulip quest]

Noah, Noise, Sbs, Centi, Rumani can ignore team 2 can ur team win vs his second?

[umbral crown]

Were not you getting 1000 gems?

[gaunt viper]

hmmm? I posted a video below it with the verdict for better understanding if that helps

[umbral crown]

[tulip quest]

if you gonna use ammo for pvp man just use it on 50, 70 gems on outpost wipeout

[glad meteor]

Level 3 quantum on noah rumani and centi should suffice in terms of blocking the nuke

Wrong person

[gaunt viper]

alright i can try that

[glad meteor]

[tulip quest]

okay

[vapid lake]

1400

Aka 7 extra attack every season every month

[tulip quest]

yea go Noah Noise vs his team 1 n ur good cause your 2nd team wins

Ignore team 3 really risky, RL bug specially sometimes could easily wipe u whiffing n stuff

[gaunt viper]

so Noah, Noise, Sbs, Centi, Rumani vs t1 then?

[tulip quest]

yea my suggestion can ask other bois for opinions also

[gaunt viper]

i mean worth a shot, let u know how it goes

[tulip quest]

aight

[gaunt viper]

should I keep quantum on Noah or put Tempering back on?

[tulip quest]

can just put quantum I think but if you think Noah will die before burst then tempering

[gaunt viper]

I'll stick with Tempering cause this guy normally hits pretty hard i think

[tulip quest]

I just focus on Resilience cube and try to max it to 20 Mine is currently level 11 for Cp purposes and pve

[tulip quest]

yea go

trust instinct

[gaunt viper]

Trusted the instinct

[worthy knoll]

Cube cap now is on 20?

[tulip quest]

ya man it was given on notice

[gaunt viper]

I will say tho real close to not getting burst off i think 🤔

[tulip quest]

oh wait 15? not 20?

[worthy knoll]

I thought it was on 15

So they just made it 20 just now?

[tulip quest]

maybe some charge speed? cause that team made for scarlet counter

[tulip quest]

might be wrong 15 maybe just that my goal is focusing on 1 cube

[gaunt viper]

I think i might swap for quantum on him and should help, seemed like i was able to live pretty well

[gaunt viper]

ty for the assistance on it

[tulip quest]

No problem I ask also on this discord help if I need it BROTHA'S

[umbral crown]

Or just use them all in 1 day

[stray prism]

thoughts on how to beat these comps? thank you in advanced

[unique mountain]

Mlb makima with 355 sync , bricked vs bricked wars

[glad meteor]

Need 465k+ power

Cindy team vs Cindy
Scarlet team vs scalter

Noise is better than rapunzel as long as she can survive naga or she has higher charge speed than noah

[stray prism]

thanks for the advise, I won! (i lost to their first team cuz cp diff hits hard but somehow managed to won the 2nd team with this random ahh comp)

also is there any pvp team that i can cook with 2b?

[glad meteor]

She’s mostly just there to nuke. Fill her team with a burst gen battery and buffer usually.

Someone could cook if you show roster. I started after 2B release so have not used her much.

How much cp was on t1

[stray prism]

like 380k cp, aside from cinderella i havent invested much on the other 4

this is my full roster

[dim sapphire]

mana worth investing s2 level 10?

[eager mountain]

no

[final wedge]

where ur going with her?

dont tell me s2 lvl.10 Mana is for PVP....cuz....it will be

[coarse lake]

it ain't even worth it for pvp, her gen increase from it isn't big enough

[final wedge]

like...barely noticeable

and whenever i saw SBS as the main dps on def team....ill just insert Sakura

goddamn Alteissen made Sakura appear to be useful at that time....now....its like

[coarse lake]

an actual og sakura user? there must be dozens of you

[quick lake]

Sakura works.. assuming there’s no deficit

[tulip quest]

yea but her use kinda Niche bad investment unless u full pvp and no plans for pve

[final wedge]

the thing is....20 levl difference wont have much CP gap in high lvl....so....using 4/4/7 OGSakura is so whatever as long as she is bursting

[eager mountain]

she pretty much doomed the possibility of having meta wind carry appliable for def team
tho... even in that case like when sbs released... investing on sakura burst... lol nah

[cedar orbit]

Who would invest in Sakura just to counter SBS

[quick lake]

Exactly this Probably only rare day 1 players who invested in her for easier SI train clears

[swift mango]

Also good for auto kraken

[swift mango]

Prime example of 🧱 . Trust him.

[swift mango]

What's this?

[quick lake]

Valentines web event gives 214 gems and some other resources

[swift mango]

How to join? Too late now?

[quick lake]

#game-news message

[swift mango]

Thanks

😭

[swift mango]

Maybe invest in Tia and CS to counter SBS. No need Noah.

They removed 9 dust box from log in.

[eager mountain]

while gem gives u 20% less cd if u use it for wipe out, the rest still gonna worth more then 20% cd
tho reroll does more anyway

[onyx scaffold]

do u do 50 gem wipe out daily?

[swift mango]

Yes

Ever since I finished campaign

Normal mode

[swift mango]

My today hoard

Rare lucky day

[stray prism]

once again i need some help to counter these teams u_u
here is my full roster: #pvp-arena message

[swift mango]

@eager mountain maybe you could try cooking once.

[eager mountain]

60gem equivlent wipe out gives 2.4/3 boxes of cd = 80% of 3boxes there, wipe out credit equivlent is 26.66% cd box, adding up thats 106.66% cd box worth + misc(exps gears recycle)
and well even 5 rule its over 106.66%

i already sorta did today

[swift mango]

So we move up the bar to 70 gem claim now?

[onyx scaffold]

lemme do quick math

[eager mountain]

ig its not hard to cook this one

[onyx scaffold]

actually

yeah 70 gem wipe out is slightly worse than the LI coin exchange shop

15% worse

[eager mountain]

sync rumani
treasure helm, level up her skill 1
toss helm in one team, jackel + rumani in another, emilia + noah in aaanother team, profit

lazyass asf cook, its pve + battery vs pve teams

[eager mountain]

999 coin gives u 60 gem vs 3 cd box, thats 2.4cd box/credit/exp/gear/misc

2.4 credit is 0.8 cd anyway so sum of those already over 3

[onyx scaffold]

the shop has ratio 20 gems : 1h cd

[swift mango]

You should stack up to 4999 coin for 320 gems. It's the best value.

[eager mountain]

tho for lower sync ig no point of looking at credit, but blood isnt that far from 400 so

[onyx scaffold]

the 70 gem wipe out has ratio 23.3 gems : 1h cd

[eager mountain]

yeah but comparing those boxes with lower value gem already shows gem is better

320 is even better

[onyx scaffold]

Firstly u need to answer yourself
Do u prefer 20 gems to 1h cd
Or similar question

[swift mango]

I'm not looking at credit in that shop, ever.

69
.

[eager mountain]

use 3credit=1cd exchange equilibrium in higher sync gives u around 15gem per cd box in wipeout equivlent

20>15

[onyx scaffold]

Is that for the 50 gem wipe out?

[eager mountain]

yes, and dispatch reroll has greater return when theres are bad rolls so using the 60 gems for that is even better

[onyx scaffold]

there are 50/70/100/120 gem wipe out. Idk which one(s) are you using for the math

Ok so you are talking about 50 gem wipe out.

I was talking about the 70 gem one.
We have nothing to argue

[swift mango]

He should be claiming 50 and 70 everyday now. hence the 60.

Man is very gemming.

[eager mountain]

where is the 70 coming from tho

not arguing just restating some resource per gem math

[onyx scaffold]

[eager mountain]

the scalar number doesnt matter, let it be 9999

[swift mango]

You keep talking about 60 gems which is (50+70)/2

[onyx scaffold]

You jumped in and explained why 50 gems wipe out should be better than the exchange shop but I never disagreed with it

[eager mountain]

no need to do the 70 at all tho, just 50*1.2

[onyx scaffold]

If you want to know about coredust efficiency, the result is
50 gem wipe out > shop exchange > 70 gem wipe out

It depends on how far you want to sacrifice your rolls for coredust

[eager mountain]

70gem wipeout is about whale level stuff

[onyx scaffold]

Guess I'm gotta whale

I would say 50 gem is already whale level but it is just me.

Me f2p

[swift mango]

Tell that to the old "3 wipe out" mossion

[eager mountain]

its kinda whale already, but just the option for the sake of dumb competition, reroll does it better with dolls mat

[onyx scaffold]

Just for the useless liberation units

[eager mountain]

i just ignore those

tho.... lol... liberation.... feels like decade old already

[onyx scaffold]

They still ask for 2 wipeout now

[swift mango]

Liberalio, next liberation, trust.

[eager mountain]

TAKE ALL MY GEMS I NEED HER 0.1 DAYS EARLIER THEN POSSIBLE

nah f dont let her be useless

[onyx scaffold]

Lemme tell u what I think as a retired pvp player: it isn't that worth sacrifice gems if you want to compete against the ones buying $15 dollar supply pack monthly

but if u want to kill the bricked ppl's hope for catching up, sure

[eager mountain]

its 0.5 dups (2% banner) worth of gem if u reroll for like an year

[onyx scaffold]

unless u have at least 15 levels higher than them, everything is meaningless

[swift mango]

Idk, I not compete against guys 40 level above me, I just casually hitting them down.

[onyx scaffold]

they are 40 levels above u FOR NOW

[eager mountain]

[swift mango]

Until they are 60 level above me I continue hitting them down.

[eager mountain]

well the competitors are the equivlents of how much u spend

so its down to spending efficiency and diff cd management

[onyx scaffold]

u can even beat them at 60 level diff. but it will be 80 levels/100 levels eventually
||it happened to me||

[swift mango]

Depend, the 45+ lv whale is investing in their Arena after a year of being hit by me.

[onyx scaffold]

the ppl in my bracket thinks they catch up to me

[swift mango]

So at 60+ they could have decent enough CP and good team to gap me.

[onyx scaffold]

i give them hope. im a good person

[swift mango]

🐳

[eager mountain]

thats just hoarding for the sake of hoarding lol

[onyx scaffold]

i cannot even afford wipeout

[shell hazel]

I want them

[onyx scaffold]

not really when i actually can stay challenger

im also at chap 32 hard campaign

[swift mango]

Wait until real whale who doesn't stack boxes but ATM cards instead join your bracket.

[eager mountain]

thought u hoard that much cuz u had no issue beating campaigns

[onyx scaffold]

nah it is not how the bracket works.
the pvp bracket consists 50 sub-servers
I have already met all the whales. currently, even if I open all boxes (getting 60 levels), the whales still have 50 levels higher than me.

[eager mountain]

u said ur retired so like not messing with c1-3?

[swift mango]

We found another @keen vapor comrade.

[onyx scaffold]

they are 120 levels higher than me. I can get around 57 levels if I open all. no point

[eager mountain]

jesus

[onyx scaffold]

like i say, f2p cannot compete against ppl who buy coredust often

[eager mountain]

well kinda same for the whales in mine, except i didnt hoard this hard at all

[swift mango]

You will be surprised when the bracket sinked enough. You will be met will whale from 50-100 bracket earlier or later than you.

[shell hazel]

I wipe out once extra per day for 50 at the moment, I do get the supply pass but I need skill books so it all goes on those and I still need millions of them

[swift mango]

And whale level is only depending on their wallet.

[eager mountain]

and reroll?

[shell hazel]

if I have at least 6 things to roll I do yes

[onyx scaffold]

i have tracked it since the day they merged it. sometimes the bracket has 0 whale. sometimes it has 6 whales (my current brackets)
I don't count the dolphin.

dolphin = skin+pulls
whales = coredust buyers

[eager mountain]

well then thats 1.5 dups 2% banners per yr

[shell hazel]

I roll once only

so 100 gems per day but sometimes I get gem rebates in the 6+ things I re-roll on bulletins

[eager mountain]

0.5 dup loss per year from reroll and 1 dup loss per yeah from 50 wipe out per day

ish

[onyx scaffold]

here is what I tracked
server
3445 to 3490
3445 to 3485
3456 to 3496

now that im retired so i dont track anymore

[shell hazel]

it helps me keep on top on pvp though so I do earn more gems from it I think than if I didn't wipe out/re-roll

[quick lake]

Day 1 players probably seen everybody already

[onyx scaffold]

I also tracked their level to see who buy coredust
red is me

[swift mango]

Buying core dust alone only works when you are lower level. If you want to buy after 400 you will have to buy all of them from Core dust to battle data to credit.

[quick lake]

Wow. Thats really stalking ur opponents

[eager mountain]

the tiny extra sp areena income wont nearly earn those gems back at all, but at least u can progress everything faster

[onyx scaffold]

that is called as analysis

[tulip quest]

Shudn't they release the Kraken or in this case BUFF Nihilister already considering she wants revenge vs other heretics

[eager mountain]

still not a fan of wipeout, unless u paid more then just the gem pass

[shell hazel]

skill books are the main thing right now not sure I'd need to buy core dust etc by then we'll see, I may even not bother once I'm happy with where the skills are

[shell hazel]

I get gem pass it covers both daily atm

[eager mountain]

the whales in my bracket are now 621 at highest... lol

[onyx scaffold]

some whales left the games tho.

[eager mountain]

rip whales

[onyx scaffold]

then there are some dolphins starting whaling

i guess they got job promote

it is ok. they feed the devs so i can enjoy the game as f2p

[shell hazel]

yeah I am trying to complete on outpost as well with the people near me, only the guy I stole challenger 1 off last night is further along than me

[eager mountain]

they feed the devs so that there can be more and more anchor alt

[shell hazel]

theirs to mine

[eager mountain]

campaign malding can get really tough

[onyx scaffold]

well say

[swift mango]

You gain a little advantage over other F2P of your bracket and story clearing speed in exchange for 1500 gem a month.

[shell hazel]

it took me 80 pulls on anchor banner to even get an SSR, so many thousands of gems for nothing 😄

at least wipe out always gives me something

[eager mountain]

thats pretty much the idea of 5 rule, except costing less(gem return), slight less cd, but more doll mat, crucial for pvp

[onyx scaffold]

50 gem wipe out isn't that bad as long as u keep pushing campaign

[tulip quest]

yea im stuck at 30:6 HC im tired i'll just wait for more levels

[shell hazel]

I am working on it, I'm not going beyond the 50 atm anyway, think already ahead of a lot when I buy the event tries as well for gems to get more core dust

[tulip quest]

420 level

some insane people finish it at 389 some 397

[onyx scaffold]

i also logged my level up progress

[tulip quest]

my alice targeting close to non existant

[eager mountain]

🤔 ik 30-6 is a wall but forgor what its already

[onyx scaffold]

nikke was my job back then

[shell hazel]

if you done all normal chapters and are 30 hard mode then it's not a huge deal I think - the outpost gains aren't that significant

[tulip quest]

Cute Sea Horse and raptures with fart rapture

yes 1 shot

[swift mango]

Not really. Reroll is another thing and it's luck based. You can't really calculate your luck.

One guy could one tap 30 core dust boxes a day. Another guy get 2 CD box after wasting 1000 gems.

50 gem claim is the staple income. Gaining 1 level over other F2P who don't every 2 month.

[onyx scaffold]

basically you get sniped in first 2-3 second before u can burst

[eager mountain]

oh

just mash harder,

[onyx scaffold]

just cover

[eager mountain]

yes and that

[tulip quest]

I reroll till I get At least 4 120Minute dolls

[shell hazel]

30-6 was pretty hard I remember it

[eager mountain]

mash 12ish shots, cover everyone else, mash another 2-3 shots

if remembered correctly

decent rng alice didnt die= profit

[quick lake]

Minmaxers everywhere

[onyx scaffold]

then they burn out and leave

[tulip quest]

thats RNG Hell

[swift mango]

Yeah, I only reroll dispatch now because doll mission. Before it's always a loss, 5 mission rule? I did 7 missions rule and still lost comparing to 50 gem claim. It's all pure luck in t he end.

[tulip quest]

hope that rapture don't hit alice first or red hood

[eager mountain]

just hope they hit everyone else while u cover others and spam alice/rh

[shell hazel]

the doll dispatches don't show up that often for me, can go some days without seeing any

[tulip quest]

I do 50 gem and 70 gem on Outpost

[eager mountain]

usually alice since its fireweak + alice usually have more ammo

[tulip quest]

with red hood tho you can Pause scum

hit core =1 hit then pause scum nother 1 hit again

I literally wipe the whole set of rapture except fart it kills me

[eager mountain]

lol

tanky farter

u can do the same for alice anyway

[tulip quest]

but man pause scum needs brain cells i push later kinda tired

[eager mountain]

just way more annoying to, since its not auto like rh burst

[quick lake]

Thats alot

[tulip quest]

410 can then 420 still cant

[swift mango]

You mean you reroll until 4 x 4 star mission or 4 x 5 stars mission?

[tulip quest]

430 gonna try again

[swift mango]

The later one is pretty much whale

[tulip quest]

yea at least 3 if not I roll

[eager mountain]

120min is 5x i think

150 6x highest

[tulip quest]

nah I just buy the 5 dollar a month 100 gems a day

[eager mountain]

anything above 4x is omega expensive to reroll

[swift mango]

We only have up to 5 star mission.

[shell hazel]

my bulletin rolls will get better when I unlock the last one as well, not top level yet so 1 less on cap

[swift mango]

No such thing as 6 star mission now

[tulip quest]

I mean my bracket is quite literally close to whale maybe even whales 60Costumes other 1 was 38 costumes and another was 40 levels above me and still rising

also the Outpost gem is 100% Rng roll of a banner 300 is just rng

[eager mountain]

my brain somehow made it as highest nonexisting 7star and "actual" highest is 6 then

[swift mango]

Wdym by yeah? 4 stars or 5 stars?

[eager mountain]

cuz the highest star still never a thing, theres a 6 star ui, but not a thing
but highest is 150m
so 5 star 150
4 star 120

[shell hazel]

we need a rock dispatch slot

[tulip quest]

just the doll 120minutes DISPATCH

[shell hazel]

have to send doro

[tulip quest]

forgot what star

[tulip quest]

haha lol

yea hopefully

[swift mango]

You mean the 60 doll fragment?

[shell hazel]

there's 20, 30, 40, and 60 material ones for dolls, guess you mean 40 at least or 60?

[eager mountain]

4 star 120

[tulip quest]

ah no no just the materials I hate the Red1

[tulip quest]

there is a chance it gives purple doll if traded for materials

[shell hazel]

excess dolls can become materials as well though it's weird you can't turn SR dolls into them

[swift mango]

Sorry to break it to you but unless you want the SR doll from it, the 5 star mission for doll frags is worse value than a common 4 star mission for doll upgrade mats.

[eager mountain]

still expensive if wanting all to be 4 star, better of rerolling with regular rolls instead of aiming for all doll rolls

[shell hazel]

yeah I think they mean upgrade materials here

[tulip quest]

yea that

[shell hazel]

I need dolls badly so I want them both

[swift mango]

The 4 star mission for doll frags is same value as 3 star mission from doll upgrade mats.

Anymore lower are pretty much trash.

[shell hazel]

[tulip quest]

yea that I aim for mats not the doll 1

[onyx scaffold]

no longer. they removed 6th star. 5s are highest

[swift mango]

Yeah, and many people don't need purple doll now. But the doll upgrade mats. So the doll frags lose its value much more.

[eager mountain]

the ui is still there if u check it, it says 2-5 stars, but for each rolls, it will show stars out of 6, weirdly

[shell hazel]

yeah I guess they planned for 6 star missions that haven't been added yet

[unkempt kestrel]

Is rerolling missions random? I’ve never rerolled before

[tulip quest]

`We get The one where you can choose what purple doll u want every solo raid

[tulip quest]

Random

[shell hazel]

you take the good ones first then if you got enough bad ones you re-roll for 50 gems

[onyx scaffold]

they forgot to removeit ig

[unkempt kestrel]

O Ty

[shell hazel]

but for me this is like I need at least 6 re-roll candidates to bother

maybe 5 if I really need doll mats badly

[eager mountain]

Sounds like a su thing to do

[tulip quest]

I think reroll is fine depending on what you value 1 Gacha of a character is okay for me MLB kinda for the rich anyways

[eager mountain]

valuing dups or pulling all banners or not

[tulip quest]

like rerolling and Outpost wipeout made me above my bracket in HC by 3 chapters vs the other highest and he is 20 levels above me, others just prolly lazy pushing

[eager mountain]

u can pull most banners with regular incomes, minimal rerolling will burn half of a 2% banner per year
whether its reasonable or not... up to how u view it

[tulip quest]

The greatest bait of Nikke is ROLLING FOR PILGRIMS

Gotta use the YELLOW Ticket only for that

[shell hazel]

280 pulls on Rapi for 1 copy 😄

[eager mountain]

ofc 1% is ticket only lol

thats why using 2% banner as a unit

u can get more then enough tickets for a dup, the thing is that they are broken so if u wanna mlb them... lol gl

[tulip quest]

I got core 5 cindy

[shell hazel]

I used 600 mileage for the rest for Rapi mlb, but I can't afford to mlb everything

[tulip quest]

NO REGRETS

[eager mountain]

use that for easier mc finish gives u legit feeling of what premium coping is

[tulip quest]

I think your fine in Nikke unless you pull for absolutely every1

[tulip quest]

yea she is highest dps when bursting

[swift mango]

The real dispatch tier list to me is

T1: 2 gold box.
T1.5: 2 gold mats, 3 purple mats
T2: 1 gold box, 2 purple boxes, 2 purple mats.
T2.5: 60 doll frags, 1 gold mat.
T3: 3 blue mats, 1 purple box, 40 doll frags.
T3.5: 30 doll frags, 2 blue mats, 1 purple mat.
T4: 20 doll frags.

[shell hazel]

I skip the 3 blue ones normally is that bad? 😄

[swift mango]

So doll frags suck ball

[tulip quest]

When Emilia Re Runs tho I might try To MLB her

I mean CORE 7

[eager mountain]

lb1 cindy is quite line and optimization taxxing for ripping mc, id imagine c5 is much more forgiving

[shell hazel]

the whales can core 7 the limiteds and those I will never even try on

[eager mountain]

and yet, i used to pray for frags when they just released dolls, even knowing there will be enough sr dolls to use in the future

[tulip quest]

The other guy on my bracket CORE 7 HIS 2B AND IS HIS WAIFU I think highest CP PAD Character

[swift mango]

It's fine so long as you didn't skip it for 1 purple box or 30 doll frags or below.

[shell hazel]

I need dolls badly though, so 30-40-60 doll frags I do want for now

once I don't need dolls so much then yeah I think the value of these drops down

I take any in your list to here:
T1: 2 gold box.
T1.5: 2 gold mats, 3 purple mats
T2: 1 gold box, 2 purple boxes, 2 purple mats.
T2.5: 60 doll frags, 1 gold mat.

• I do want 30/40 doll frags for time being so I grab them as well

[eager mountain]

ye thats the reroll standard

[shell hazel]

need to roll cindy doll to SR-15 next

got enough golds for now but need more blue/purple to get 11 first

[tulip quest]

I usually phase 11 then try to 15 after that

[shell hazel]

yeah that's the plan

[tulip quest]

higher chances

[shell hazel]

once I spark 11 those 60-70 oranges have a chance at least

after that I'll start saving up I guess for SBS doll next solo raid as I need to get that from SR-5 to SR-15 for longer term. Alice is still on SR-5 as well! 😄

[eager mountain]

orange

[shell hazel]

orange(s)

[stray wadi]

Hm

[lapis field]

My trauma, didn't even get to phase 15 even a single nikke during the recent solo raid

[shell hazel]

my SR ones went OK but my SBS normal one to R-15 was a challenge that took way more materials than it should have done 😄

[onyx scaffold]

There is no "1 purple mat"
U almost gaslighted me

[fathom rock]

my new def not deffing @tropic summit

Rapunzel raised can use her now

[swift mango]

[lapis field]

At least you got her at 15, mine was from 5 til 13 now on my cindy from day 1 til the end of solo raid, didn't even worked the orange material twice... Rng doll gods didn't blessed me this time

[lapis field]

The blue sr dolls are decent to max it, if you changed it to ssr purp doll, it will start at phase 5 if your blue doll is at 15 max, its like skipping many times due to higher succession rate if you just poured a few blue & purp materials. If you started ssr purp dolls on a nikke without the blue, which has a lower rate than the phase 5 startup percentage, it is a waste of materials to begin with and its all fine if you maxed your blue sr dolls

[tropic summit]

doesn't look daijobu

scarlet doko

[tropic summit]

let's reconsider T1 and T2

back to indom emi and double B2 + noise in p5

-emi blanc rh rumani jackal
-naga centi cind flex noise

[swift mango]

If others in your bracket are at 361 then your teams CP are a tad bit too low.

[fathom rock]

You mean 381 with c7 units?

[fathom rock]

Naga?

[tropic summit]

boost CP

also adds pressure to p5 to prevent non jackal indom against you

[swift mango]

My 344 team with lv60 sr Anis is 470k.

[fathom rock]

What happens when you full invest pvp

[swift mango]

The one with lv60 Biscuit is 440k and I even worry about this team when my competitors aren't even 341.

[tropic summit]

you can assume T3 is getting scar-jacked or skipped, T1 and T2 we should focus on them getting antinuke or fast burst

[fathom rock]

Hmm

[tropic summit]

one of the best for that job is indom emi, although she can get countered by 4RL noah

cindy on 3RL is kind of all-rounder, suffers against noah anyway on 3RL

if your opponent is smart, you're screwed regardless as long as they use noah and scar-jack smartly

point is trying to make them fail somehow

[gaunt cypress]

1. emi nuke
2. rossana
3. usual scar team
   

[fathom rock]

Rumani needs ol

[tropic summit]

looks ok minus CP on T2

[fathom rock]

No built ros (wont build her)
No scar

[fathom rock]

Rumani needs ol

Well she is next in line anyway

[tropic summit]

can go

noise naga cind laplace rumani
emi blanc rh centi jackal

might balance CP better

naga in p2 should be safe enough

[fathom rock]

For now till i ol her sure
I also need a doll for her i ran out of those again

[tropic summit]

[fathom rock]

@swift mango how much cp on your rapunzel

[gaunt cypress]

I mean, your deff team is very easy to counter with that generic comp

[fathom rock]

Bro lv344 with more cp than my main campaign comp

[fathom rock]

Well my bracket works in mysterious ways

[stray wadi]

did you mention that people need to get a new copy for Kosmiu burst gen calculator? he said that he still sees people that have an old copy

[fathom rock]

Indom ein held for a long while, 2nd best hold after 5x sg como

Like my bracket stopped making sense a while ago

[tropic summit]

hopefully last season in that bracket @fathom rock

reshuffle in a few days

[shell hazel]

yep I was maxing to R-15 first. I need an SR doll to swap to SR-5 but am aware 🙂

[fathom rock]

And my cp is low on all comps for some reason

@swift mango send your campaign comp cp

[tropic summit]

for reference @fathom rock

my def teams averaging 475k-490k

[fathom rock]

This makes sense
Blood doesnt

[gaunt cypress]

yeah like this guy, how can you lose to random SR team , im just trying to give some free win today

[tropic summit]

helm c6

[fathom rock]

Dying in rookie to an alice b3 comp is some wild work

[bleak latch]

how fast is this comp can burst?

[stray wadi]

2 RL

[stray wadi]

you can use the deck builder on the pinnned message if you want to quickly find out how fast a team is

[umbral crown]

Hiw so

[umbral crown]

But what would the cp be with proper teams and not lv60?

[fiery parcel]

I used to be able to beat team 1, but recently i cant. I dont think the enemy compositioj changed.

[quick lake]

Team 1 is abit slow. It needs to be 2.5 RL. Can swap out laplace for a clip RL

Can swap laplace for Centi/Anis. Give up on team 3

[brazen ledge]

went back from c6 to d2 with this one !

[tropic summit]

use these teams, ensure CP is not 15% or more deficit and you'll easily win, those teams are hardly anything challenging

[tropic summit]

what was CP of your former teams against these new ones?

because if those nikke are not invested, then you're better off with non meta teams but higher on CP

CP padding beats meta unfortunately

[brazen ledge]

t2 was 593k t3 was 610k

went back to them

[tropic summit]

old t2 593k
old t3 610k

?

[brazen ledge]

yes

rapu is low af

[tropic summit]

oh ok, keep old teams until invested then 🤔

[brazen ledge]

btw, losing against this team

[tropic summit]

you mean you can't defeat this one?

you can run any 2RL nuke variations, it's an indomless scarlet with no buffs

[brazen ledge]

yes, i went emi indom against the other team i tried to beat but i think its better to go emi indom on the 2nd one ?

(this one)

[tropic summit]

any of these 3

[brazen ledge]

this against the one i sent ?

[tropic summit]

nah don't mirror against scarlet

noah + any nuker or DPS non-feeding oriented on 2RL will do

check my screen above, use any of those and you'll be safe

[brazen ledge]

can i put jackal instead of centi since i use her for 1st team ?

@tropic summit

[tropic summit]

yeah you can use jackal, gonna need to turn around the teams a bit to benefit from links

[brazen ledge]

emi benefits from jackal link ?

bc i could just put jackal instead of centi here

i don't have thelm on this account...

[tropic summit]

oh ok now i understand

post your box pls so i know what you can use

[brazen ledge]

1 sec

laplace is treasured

[tropic summit]

yeah sure lvl 7 is enough too

[brazen ledge]

its good

i should be back at chall 3 now

(f2p btw)

[swift mango]

Above 500k

[swift mango]

Zero because I don't have her.

[swift mango]

Around 610k

But that comp suck

[fathom rock]

Yeah how my highest cp team is 580k at lv355 all sr15

[swift mango]

At least you aren't stuck in mother whale waiting for blue.

So you are fine

[fathom rock]

Im instead stuck in mw 390 and 23-21 due to fps
Thats not what i meant tho how your cp so high how stacked is the ol

[swift mango]

OL only counting the rank. I don't have much ATK line at all.

I have 2 hit rate line on RH and I had to keep it that way.

Only 605k

[fathom rock]

"only"

Thats some stacked ol, nice

[swift mango]

Maybe I should invest in Resilience cube to level 9-10.

Nah, I still need my Adjustant to 7 first.

It's feel weird cooking for people with Adjustant lv7 that I don't have.

[tropic summit]

why are you stuck on MW, surely you've liter/RRH crown RH/alice modernia flex 🤔

[swift mango]

No Modernia either

[tropic summit]

no doro either i suppose?

[swift mango]

Just my average luck.

[tropic summit]

wew

i personally wouldn't know how to clear whale without modernia

the mobs would kill me

[swift mango]

SR is enough for 10% frame.

[tropic summit]

probably needs some timely SBS or screen wipes (privaty/scarlet/ein)

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

oh and i've heard of snow white innocent days being able to help there 🤔

[swift mango]

Just Blue it with RH shooting core

Last I beat it in Normal mode that way.

[tropic summit]

i see

i guess that's an option if all else fails...

[fathom rock]

He just gotta blue cp or swid or time scar cindy nukes

[bleak latch]

trying to do some balance defense team will this be decent enough ?

just managed to get Thelm

[quick lake]

Scarlet teams generally need 2 buffers. T1 scarlet wont kill opponent at all

T3 is fine. Just make sure that Noise isnt the one taunting, otherwise opponent u would be giving opponent extra burst gen

T2 is slow, seems 4RL which is bad

[bleak latch]

emilia team all of them having quantum/adjutan/3-4 charge speed per op should be able to hold right? maybe 3RL atleast

[quick lake]

Oh yes. Emilia is 3RL my bad

[bleak latch]

scarlet team i think she would kill all of my competitors there since all of them has lower cp than my team like 100k-300k different

[quick lake]

With that CP difference, u ~~could ~~ should full auto 3 teams and win purely from CP gapping them

[swift mango]

She won't, unless crit or CP diff above 20%.

Por if you fight another Scarlet team that got hurt enough by normal attack.

[quick lake]

Ur average team CP should be ard 120k+. Ur auto teams should be 160k++ and i think ur oppnents will always have deficit

[bleak latch]

only ch2-4 attack me

[quick lake]

U are too far ahead in terms of CP/sync

Easier to just auto at this point tbh

[bleak latch]

4 seem to be failed mostly but somehow 2 is always beat me

i think he might be using 2 strong team ig?

[quick lake]

Ur teams arent the best per se. But ur CP is just very high

[swift mango]

1.1m teams vs 1.3m teams. They could get it below 15.4% I guess

With the CP you could press them back even they hit you down anyway.

Easily

[quick lake]

[brazen ledge]

y'all know when is echo going to be online ?

[quick lake]

Just ping him

@keen vapor work work

[bleak latch]

i could but i hate being attacking at last minute before reset

[quick lake]

Can try:

1. Scar Blanc RH xMaiden/Laplace (whichever higher cp) Jackal
2. Rumani Noah Biscuit Cindy THelm
3. Auto last team

[bleak latch]

auto last team?

[quick lake]

yeah. Probably unbeatable cause of cp

[bleak latch]

1.32m highest i can do with this

auto team

[brazen ledge]

BAY !!!!!!

[quick lake]

I guess if u really wanna make decent teams, can try:

[bleak latch]

i will go rumani on 2nd team it seem interesting

[brazen ledge]

can you give this website ?

i have a bad looking one

[swift mango]

Move bay to p4.

[quick lake]

https://nikke-deck.web.app

[brazen ledge]

its in french!!

[bleak latch]

was swapped her wit rapunzel just realized after i post it

[quick lake]

Umbuffed Emi kinda mid

[bleak latch]

she deal 45m w/o buff what you want more

result

[swift mango]

....move Noah to p1

[quick lake]

yeah, noah taunting should put her in P1 oops

[swift mango]

Unless u have specific reason putting her p2

[bleak latch]

done ! let see how it's going tonight

[quick lake]

45m dmg is for 10 targets, 5 cover, 5 nilkes. So ur actual dmg to nikkes is 4.5m per nikke. Which isnt OHKO

Defender HP Is probably 5.5m or more depending on cores

[bleak latch]

welp i don't think anyone would survive her repeated nuke tho

unless indom

[quick lake]

Well, ur current team works because ur opponents have lower syncs and lower HP

But assuming equal sync, Emi alone generally not enough to OHKO

[strange rain]

gotta love this

[bleak latch]

3 healer comp

[swift mango]

Watch some guy with 80% Ele Scarlet or Cindy wipe it.

I guess it's still better than Bay.

[shell hazel]

still holding for now @tropic summit he hasn't tried to claim it back yet

[onyx scaffold]

how much % cs does Emilia needs

[bleak latch]

i'll replaced bay when im done with anchor gears/stuff right now she has too low cp and drag overall cp downhill so much

[onyx scaffold]

15 seconds before reset

[swift mango]

As much as possible. At least 8%.

[onyx scaffold]

no breakpoint after 8%?

[tropic summit]

he should be able to, he'd out CP you probably on at least 1 team

better that way i suppose tho

[swift mango]

The next break point is 23.4%.

[onyx scaffold]

doesn't seem a lot

[swift mango]

At least 2 black line.

And 2 blue line

That's not a lot at all.

[onyx scaffold]

huh. 23.4% from gears?

[bleak latch]

[shell hazel]

doesn't seem like he's really invested in the pvp units though his team has a strong dps core but is just relying on level gap atm, I'm a few away from 241 myself which will close it

[swift mango]

[shell hazel]

either way keeps them on their toes 🙂

[onyx scaffold]

i thought it included s1

[swift mango]

If 8% not included skill1 then 23% wouldn't either.

[tropic summit]

so you saying there's a chance for perma ch1

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/city-hunter-ryo-saeba-shrug-i-dont-know-i-dont-care-gif-14623021

[onyx scaffold]

[shell hazel]

who knows well I've had it almost a day and that is basically infinity right? 😄

[brazen ledge]

youre only 241 ??

[shell hazel]

i'm only 237

[brazen ledge]

i thought you were much higher

[shell hazel]

nope

[tropic summit]

pretty much considering how eager ppl are to attack within minutes of losing a position in most brackets

[brazen ledge]

like 281

[shell hazel]

nah, just chilling at 237 taking ages to get levels

[brazen ledge]

using cases ?

[shell hazel]

he's been at 1 for ages got complacent I think

[shell hazel]

i do use them yeah and battle data conversion as well

I figure it's not great in the end but if I can push more stages I'll make some of it back

[brazen ledge]

i think i told you that a while ago

[shell hazel]

at the moment top end CD/hour is what 84? I get 64 currently from outpost

[brazen ledge]

bc i didn't spend a single penny in the game and i can get to 241+ with my cases

[shell hazel]

I need more power to push past Ch 32 and into the hard stages more

[brazen ledge]

you could've waited

[shell hazel]

impatience 🙂

I'd rather get the levels I need sooner and boost my outpost level and progress when I can

241 is a big one for me potentially I can push chapter 32 then

the team isn't bad but could be better still

[brazen ledge]

im still crownless

[shell hazel]

I can OL her boots in a few days will boost it a little then

[brazen ledge]

to tia does the job for now

[shell hazel]

cindy SR-10 to SR-15 will help as well

Helm may also work as Naga replacement once I OL her more she'll potentially have a lot more CP

[brazen ledge]

but what abt this skin ? ...

[shell hazel]

true 😄

naga is great still I'll find a way to use her, it's the only gacha one I got so far

[brazen ledge]

tiga is still the way to go for raids

[indigo prawn]

guys, what's the best team possible for now? assuming all nikkes are acquired

[brazen ledge]

in pvp ?

[tropic summit]

there's no actual best team, but there are a few archetype with a better chance of winning than others

mostly involves 2RL with jackal/noah

helmT has also become a staple due to her battery potential

[brazen ledge]

now treasured helm too

[indigo prawn]

yeah

sp arena

3 best combination

[tropic summit]

an example:

[stone warren]

Only 7/10/10 with 30% att, still trying to get the remaining 10%

[tropic summit]

another variation without xanne and s.anis

just stick to these archetype i guess

[indigo prawn]

waowwwwwwwww

there's a charttt for this?

[tropic summit]

yeah, it's pinned, here you go:

#pvp-arena message

i'm personally using the kosmiu one, there's also a web app one

https://nikke-deck.web.app/

[indigo prawn]

waw

thanks

[indigo prawn]

o syit laplace treasure?

[tropic summit]

yeah, works for several purposes:

-iron unit, deals elem. weak dmg to elec units (most of the pvp meta units are elec)
-clip SG burst gen tier, but without feeding
-works as splash off-burst

[cedar orbit]

Treasure Laplace propaganda

[tropic summit]

haha, well with helmT released she takes priority if anything

[indigo prawn]

is there an alternative?

[tropic summit]

for clip SG burst gen tier an example is xmaiden

else all the other clip SG, but those involve feeding

[indigo prawn]

i see"

[indigo prawn]

yeaaa she's otw p3 tho, but i don't have enough for laplace T_T

maybe i'll just put in her... without treasure

that's fine i guess

[tropic summit]

laplace without treasure has far weaker burst gen tho, keep that in mind

[shell hazel]

would be nice to build laplace T as well but I guess I'll see what the next treasure units are like

and focus on other stuff for now 🙂

[tropic summit]

expensive late game pvp unit, once invested tho it shreds noise for example

within 2RL-3RL timeframe

[upper grove]

Next treasures in 6 months anyway

[shell hazel]

haha so 1st def one, he's burnt 2 tries I could hit em back if they didn't change def

[tropic summit]

took him 2 tries at least

[upper grove]

Laplace nukes the electric spam in pvp

[tropic summit]

you still got 1 try right? show his team

[shell hazel]

I do yeah 🙂

[tropic summit]

we gonna make him gem

[shell hazel]

well that or spend his free tries he had a while back (I still got 2 of those)

[tropic summit]

lool still very winnable

poor guy gonna have a bad time

[shell hazel]

he boosted his overall CP by like 5k somewhere

[tropic summit]

focus on these 2 teams, you can probably re-use yesterday team for T2

T1 just needs scar-jack with cp padding and possibly blanc to indom her

[shell hazel]

same comps as I had yesterday

[tropic summit]

12% deficit, no deficit

you're ch1 again

[shell hazel]

shall I hit it again? I'll record again

[tropic summit]

eh i guess on the safe side

seems like he assumed you beat their campaign team

[shell hazel]

yeah

oh team 2 had like a 6k boost but that one horribly lost anyway

#pvp-arena message

it's same comp and t1 is same cp

I crushed t2 yesterday without a sweat, shall I pull the trigger? I need to move quantum cubes back over to Noah and Ice Maiden I think

[tropic summit]

ye u do

if t2 isn't 2RL you kinda risky it afterall

[shell hazel]

yeah

ok that's done so if it fails it fails

[tropic summit]

probably gonna need to consider a def change to attempt making them fail again tomorrow 🤔

[shell hazel]

I could do but ultimately if he doesn't change his def comp I can keep stealing it back

so I may let him change first

I did record but it basically went same as yesterday I think no real diff

[tropic summit]

yeah figured

you can either decide to keep bullying them daily and avoid revealing your cards by changing def or duelling them

the safer choice is obviously the first

[shell hazel]

we get re-jig of brackets soon potentially not sure if I'll wind up in some one as this

I don't want to play Helm card too early I guess

[tropic summit]

try to claim ch1 before end of season happens btw, should place you in ch1 for your next bracket and reduced chance of you starting with a ch1 whale 🤔

[shell hazel]

yeah I'll see if I can do it 😉

[tropic summit]

think you can as long as they guy doesn't turn out having 5k boxes of red dust

[shell hazel]

I think he may have burnt some already as he wasn't 10 levels above me nearer 220

and then he suddenly was

[tropic summit]

what a waste considering new chapter behind the corner

attacking him was worth it just to provoke that

[shell hazel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc1udbJGuwE

new one btw but yeah much the same

I think it's a re-roller as they started similar time to me but seemed to bee-line to hitting the end they've basically done chapter 34 already

[tropic summit]

that's a very slow scarlet, he better remove ein at some point

[shell hazel]

I saw some of their clears from when I was doing campaign and could see the power they had, was a heavily built trio of SBS / Ein / Alice

so guess they threw them into sp-arena core teams

[tropic summit]

likely

[shell hazel]

I'm going to OL another noise gear later, but otherwise can't do much to improve my def teams except to add helm and that is playing the ace in the hole

I got Noah but super unbuilt as is Blanc, so they work on attack if I calc the cp but not so good on def

[tropic summit]

yeah noticed against their scarlet team, if it wasn't for biscuit she'd melt

[shell hazel]

it's just a case of what I invest into next really one thing at a time

I need to build SBS, Blanc, Noah, and presumably still want more power in Scarlet and some of the other core units like Jackal etc

to direct swap Blanc for Graves she needs +13K CP on what she has, so it's skills + OL and things, eventually I do need to do it but I don't know if I can easily yet

Scarlet is 4/4/7 with 2 pieces basic OL (not rolled them) and SR-5 doll so I did put a bit of thought into it

[tropic summit]

well investing in blanc and sbs doubles down in improving for your SR, tower and PvE in general

[shell hazel]

it does yeah

[tropic summit]

noah and scarlet are kinda primarly pvp afterall

[shell hazel]

but also want to finish Helm S1 which is 8, so a couple more there

[tropic summit]

oh right

helmt then sbs then blanc perhaps 🤔

blanc can stay on 4/4/4 with 4OL and doll SR5 or R15 if anything

SBS is more expensive instead

[shell hazel]

yeah, though Blanc has 0 OL and it takes me at least a few days to OL one bit

I want to get Cindy burst to 10 as well (she's 10/5/9 atm)

we should get more skill books and things in with Eva event store

i'll need SBS for chapters 33/34 some I think, so she's still a good target to do, and as you said Blanc applies to raids also

[tropic summit]

a bit less now with anchor and mast, but i don't see them bench yet at least

[shell hazel]

they are like 1/1/1 skills and no gear etc as well 😄

[umbral crown]

In all 3?

[swift mango]

Yeah.

[umbral crown]

Should be over 600k

[umbral crown]

Smol

[shell hazel]

it's potentially not the end of the world to also boost my team 1 def a bit with more investment before I pivot over to focus on SBS

scarlet can have 2 more OL applied, and Jackal/xmaiden have gear I can OL as well

I could spend the next week or so getting those three a bit stronger (whilst skills go to helm s1 and cindy burst) and then I can leave them be to focus on SBS more

[swift mango]

So, about Miranda Treasure, I feel it could work with Ein or B Soda's nuke. Can anyone confirmed?

[shell hazel]

miranda and milk treasures both looked kind of weak in general

[swift mango]

A guarantee Crit Nuke is a bigger buffer than Red hood.

[shell hazel]

maybe there is a niche there but unless you run out of useful dolls to upgrade it's hard to say it's worth it

[swift mango]

Drake is nice but she only buff B.Soda mainly.

Level up SR5 to 15 is nice and all but Idk.

[shell hazel]

i'm saying this as someone with a shortage on all dolls though it's harder to find the spares to just try it out

helm was a big investment but I wanted hers the most

i'm probably months away from considering getting someone else to treasure status

[oak gale]

hilp

[brazen ledge]

?

Yes ?

[swift mango]

Miranda looks very strong for Arena B1 but only for attacking. For defense it's hard to justify her unless CA ...

[shell hazel]

thing about uncommon good units is they are a wildcard on attack as opponents can't see who you used

and many players won't invest in things like miranda treasure so in that sense it's an interesting one to play

[oak gale]

everyone until noise is full ol gear , except blanc and centi have 2 ol gear (currently getting centi to full ol
things worthy noting is that most of the top nikkes are maxed out in tallents around 10 10 10 , until u get to after scarlet since
scarlet 10 7 10
bunny soda 7 10 4
phantom 10 10 4
grave 4 4 10
etc

[brazen ledge]

Yes and what do you want ?

[oak gale]

well im having hard time figuring out what i should do against #2 and #1 in the pvp arena since i been demoted this morning

currently #1

and #2

any idea what ishould do?

[shell hazel]

why are you running quency EQ on attack? 😮

[oak gale]

quency was serving to increase the attack power points

[shell hazel]

you need to burst quicker than you need cp usually tbh

as long as you're not at deficit, I'm not as good at railtracer on this but if you put your team 1 attack into the calculator it says you're 3.5RL

[oak gale]

kinda , but the older oppunents had more cp than me which lead to regardless of bursting early i wasnt able to beat them so we ended up balancing out to win the encounter

[shell hazel]

with centi instead of bsoda you get to 3RL

you burst quicker = blanc invuln quicker

[oak gale]

mhm

[shell hazel]

you may need to be faster than 3RL though they have Noah

Noah can eat your burst and then you're dead

[shell hazel]

I'd wait for @tropic summit support on who works best here on which teams maybe 🙂

but in general Noah can eat your full burst unless you're quicker

[oak gale]

alright ill wait for his opinion till then thanks

[shell hazel]

and you probably want your own Noah team against their Scarlet nuke

you do have a few hours until reset I'm sure he'll help more 🙂

do you have treasure helm in the works?

[oak gale]

lets say i wasted today's 2 free tries and lost

[oak gale]

i dont , i didnt rlly work on any treasures since i didnt touch that area yet

[shell hazel]

treasure helm is great consider it

[oak gale]

till now most of my time was spent on oling nikkes that i will use in pvp and campaign and leveling up ppl like liter and grave and bunny soda

[shell hazel]

also if you want to know burst speeds you can put the opponent teams into the calc, it can help to see them

that opponent team 1 looks very fast

[oak gale]

mhm , how do i get the calc anyways?

[shell hazel]

at 2RL they will burst really quick and Noah will eat any nuke + their Cindy will nuke you dead

tis in the pins burst gen calcs, the one here is the google sheet (you can make a copy as it says in first tab)

assume most common units have quantum 3's like jackal/centi/ice maiden

[oak gale]

lemme check uhh

currently 💀

[shell hazel]

jackal and centi are common ones to throw them on for your teams

that is your enemy 1 and yeah, team 1 looks annoying 😄

team 2 is the weakest/slowest though rapunzel can res

oh forgot to add quantum 3 on jackal but it's still 3RL

[oak gale]

mhm

*finally , found the tool *

[shell hazel]

as you only get 2 attacks I find it helpful to lay the enemy teams out so you can see, and maybe your own as well but you probably need to adjust what team you attack with

[oak gale]

ye , i constantly been like #2 for the past 2 seasons , and didnt rlly bother getting to top #1

[shell hazel]

your def teams could maybe use some work as well

if they worked out how to beat those

[oak gale]

its the same as the atk team

[shell hazel]

effectiveness of your team is fine as long as you're within 85% of the opponent cp btw

so if your team is 300K CP the opponent team won't put you at deficit unless that is 85% of their CP

300K can fight with full effectiveness against 352K teams

[tropic summit]

looks like you can beat both, you've the cards to do so

[shell hazel]

(300K * 0.85) = 299.2K

[tropic summit]

these are the 2 opponents you dealing with

[oak gale]

guide me oh so great lord of pvp

[tropic summit]

rank 2 is overcommiting on T1, your candidates are T2 and T3

[shell hazel]

as I expected

[tropic summit]

rank 1 has a pretty solid T2, at the cost of a weaker T3 and ultra feed oriented T1

which one you wanna defeat?

you're in CP range with both so no problem there either

[oak gale]

any is fine tbh

[tropic summit]

let's go with both?

[shell hazel]

see @tropic summit I am learning!
#pvp-arena message

[oak gale]

sure

[shell hazel]

[tropic summit]

Hippo cooking soon

[shell hazel]

i'll just cook so that every team has Helm in it

[tropic summit]

ok so let's start with rank 2

[shell hazel]

also I discovered these atk teams are also their def teams so those could be fixed as well Railtracer 🙂

legal discovery search completed

[oak gale]

isnt that how everyone does it? or is there areason to have different teams?

[shell hazel]

oh you definitely can have different teams

def teams are more to hold the position against poor teams where the opponent can't cook a good attack

[oak gale]

mhm

[shell hazel]

attack teams you have to consider how the fight will go and who counters who well

[tropic summit]

ideally your def teams should not reveal all your more powerful cards

realistically, to hold your rank, you still need to reveal some

unless you're gonna spam gems to retain it

[oak gale]

mhm

[shell hazel]

also weird they put scarlet in p3 I thought she was best at p1?

due to feed

and her counter

[tropic summit]

gonna take this chance to have a sample of mana usage actually if CP allows 🤔

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/tyler1-nikke-mana-gif-27632466

I hate the guy but relevant mana

[oak gale]

mana mentioned

[tropic summit]

oh mana should be p4 and s.anis p3 i'll corect it

[oak gale]

hold on im getting rejected-

[shell hazel]

btw it's not obvious

but keep on doing the claw thing until you get 1 of each prize

[tropic summit]

mana ideally should have s2 on lvl 4 btw (or higher) 🤔

[shell hazel]

there are gems / battle data / credits / core dusts in the claw machine as well as the gifts

[oak gale]

i did just get them, not sure if there is a correct option for sakura tho or if its just a fun event

[oak gale]

ye got them too , one of each

[shell hazel]

nah it's just a fun event don't think they wanted to actually have people be rejected 😄

[tropic summit]

btw the poor lad might've assumed noise is a defender, that biscuit makes no sense in that team @shell hazel

[shell hazel]

it's a pvp unit it has to be good just lob it in :S

[tropic summit]

might be sustain oriented copium with alice, noise and rapu 🤔

[oak gale]

prolly used ai chan 💀

[tropic summit]

let's see if they can outheal RH

[oak gale]

lemme actually get out of the event and open pvp

[shell hazel]

btw when you do the fights record em

[tropic summit]

very curious match this one

[shell hazel]

fun to see if you can!

[tropic summit]

yeah we need le vids for maximun ~~entertainment ~~ science

[shell hazel]

for the sake of Mana in pvp

I have her, naturally she is at 1/1/1 and no OL 😄

[tropic summit]

mana ironically is gonna be more of a failsafe addon, 2RL probably won't be long enough for noah to die ...

although she might ress post nuke

there's a chance we see her in action afterall

[oak gale]

im out , i escaped the woman

[tropic summit]

temporarely*

[oak gale]

wdym s2?

[tropic summit]

skill 2

if mana is 4/4/4 that's good enough, to cut it short

[oak gale]

lemme check , idealy i can even lvl it up to 4 if i didnt yet

[tropic summit]

yeah only s2

[oak gale]

eek

saved 💀

[tropic summit]

bare minimun investiment

let's hope it doesn't tank CP too much

else we'll give up on the mana idea

[oak gale]

i didnt invest at all in mana yet

since im focused on the rest of the pvp like u told me last time , aka centi and noise and such

[tropic summit]

ye that's legit

she's more of a CA pick than SP arena pick

[shell hazel]

still holding guy may have run out of tries

[tropic summit]

well low risk low reward from ch2 to ch1

probably saving up 🤔

[shell hazel]

haha, depends if they spent the free ones as I still got 2 chips

and I barely see them kicked off 1 so they could still have some of those

he runs the same attack and he gets it back, unless his win/loss was pure RNG

[oak gale]

meanwhile 💀

[tropic summit]

uh just realized you don't have RH in your box

gonna think of something different for T2

[umbral belfry]

i see i see...

[oak gale]

redhoodless , crownless , modernialess

[tropic summit]

and your SBS seems pretty bricked

[shell hazel]

but not maidenless (thanks Nikke)

[tropic summit]

what's her investiment?

[oak gale]

also more than 50k gems down the drain with no mast 💀

[oak gale]

none yet

[shell hazel]

oof

[oak gale]

4- 4 -4

[shell hazel]

even worse than my SBS 😄

[tropic summit]

🤨

[oak gale]

[tropic summit]

sadge

gonna have to bench the mana idea...

@oak gale

[oak gale]

should my focus be on sbs and mana after im done with centi blanc and naga?

[tropic summit]

oh

what's your doll lv on noise?

[tropic summit]

sbs is needed in a lot of content so definitly

naga is pve so also takes priority, centi and blanc can follow, mana for last

[oak gale]

bak , was doint interception kraken

noise doll lemme see

noise rn is lvl 5 doll

[tropic summit]

ok

we're ready then, let's start with rank 2

[tropic summit]

this guy

[oak gale]

mhm

[tropic summit]

set these teams then show CP

[unique mountain]

Is drakeT meta in pvp?

Is she worth getting

[tropic summit]

becomes a better SG, but still SG (feed demerit), battery is essentially nearly unchanged

[unique mountain]

Like viperT then

Pve ele niche

[oak gale]

aight 1 sec

[tropic summit]

definitely better value in pve than pvp

[grizzled bone]

No, I've never mentioned it in the pins. It makes sense for people to make new copies as new units are added in the game though since the link is to Kosmiu's master copy that needs permissions to edit. Same goes for Gatrix's calculator since it's also a google sheet.

[grizzled bone]

Honestly, I still don't really see the need to mention it. I just thought it was common sense. Nice thing about the web app deck builder is that you don't need to make your own copies but the details you get are different from the google sheet calculators

[brazen ledge]

Rly ?

[tropic summit]

hmm 275 vs 313 and 266 vs 279, let's see

[brazen ledge]

So which ones better ?

[tropic summit]

13% deficit
barely deficit

seems good

[brazen ledge]

Huh

[tropic summit]

arrange them against the respective teams in the table record and launch @oak gale

#pvp-arena message

[brazen ledge]

Imagine if you’ve never beaten someone with 15.53% huh

Couldn’t be me

[grizzled bone]

which one is "better" is subjective. I've used all 3 for different purposes, just use the one you like the most. They all do the same thing more or less, they differ in the conveyance of details

[bitter cipher]

Is there a good rumani team that doesn’t include RH, HelmT, Noah, sbs, and jackal?

[brazen ledge]

If the values differ, one should be better than the other

Numbers can’t be subjective

[oak gale]

[lusty gull]

what do you mean by details are different @grizzled bone ?

[tropic summit]

dafuq 3 wins

[umbral belfry]

my bracket has been quiet lately

[tropic summit]

even your random team won and it was against a scar-jack

[oak gale]

team 2

[umbral belfry]

I smell mischief

[tropic summit]

oh you CP gapped them with cindy in p1, beautiful

[oak gale]

yep , my strongest units cp wise

[tropic summit]

or you're just too stronk, must be the def teams you cooked

[tropic summit]

ok now ch1 is a bit different, kinda penalized we can't run RH 🤔

[grizzled bone]

the values aren't different though?
Gatrix's calculator will show you the speeds in RL
Bastial's calculator will show you speeds in percentages

you can use them for different things

[umbral belfry]

you mean that you cooked

[tropic summit]

those are YOUR teams, i just typed random stuff on discord

[grizzled bone]

nothing alarming. Just the way speeds are conveyed

[umbral belfry]

graduating from a dishwasher to a trainee cook

[lusty gull]

ho ok, i was curious if i need to improve something

[oak gale]

i could try tmr ch1 if i keep my position in ch2, since i just spent a token rn (from the bug fix rewards in the mail incident , not gems) to try against ch2

[tropic summit]

hmm as you wish

[grizzled bone]

nope, yours is great. Speeds in percentages is a fresh take on conveying info.
I also think it's probably easy to understand for newer players/players with incomplete boxes that are likely to have slower teams

[lusty gull]

i don't know what to do to improve the app at the moment except drag and drop party

yes i want to keep app easy to understand

[tropic summit]

Bas7ial app is also fool proof, warns you if you missing B1/B2/B3, allows you to add even CS%

wouldn't be surprised if SU stole the idea and implemented it in game at some point

[grizzled bone]

yeah the web app is great. Can't think of anything to improve it at the moment (also at work)

[shell hazel]

you say tomorrow but it's in like an hour 😄

[tropic summit]

i think he wants to see if he lives through 20-24hrs on ch2

[shell hazel]

makes sense

did you adjust the def teams?

[oak gale]

me realizing i could have waited 2 hours instead of spending a token

[shell hazel]

they looked like they needed work as well

[shell hazel]

tbh it's fine tokens are there to be used somewhat. and you can start with better def in place

[umbral belfry]

oh wait rail, a question for you

I'm gonna try to get pilgrim def stuff from that pvp t9m box, but should I put it on Noah, cindy, or crown (for campaign)?

I was assuming cindy

[tropic summit]

hmmm

yeah priority wise definitely better cindy as candidate

[oak gale]

perhaps ye lol

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

pvp t9m box?