pvp-arena

[whole pawn]

rail u probably have an idea about what I have

[tropic summit]

good enough, run this

[keen vapor]

1.49m

[whole pawn]

man the team has less cp than I thought mmm

[umbral crown]

Slacking, in 1.475

You have kinda 2 boost over

[hoary hill]

@keen vapor can i do something with them so that this team is gonna defend against other a bit too basically

[whole pawn]

mmmm it's 200k cp and my opponent is 250k cp mmm

can I use smt else than blanc?

[tropic summit]

post your box and it's quicker

[whole pawn]

I have to open discord on pc
here goes my fps

[vapid lake]

Im gonna cause chaos in my bracket today

Once I work out what time my target logs in everyday

[keen vapor]

But Noah so low

[umbral crown]

📦

[hoary hill]

i got no pilgrim gear for her right now

[keen vapor]

Ok you win

D wife/Naga/SBS/Rapunzel/Noir

[eager mountain]

@tropic summit i didnt change my team nor cubes nor leveling up, that mf only hitting me so i doubt he changed his team, but he failed one time randomly
crit rng stonks ig

[hoary hill]

i got an sr rocket launcher doll but this takes her ag max to 30k cp

[keen vapor]

CP padding for the win

[hoary hill]

oke thanks sir

[tropic summit]

god bless that RNG crits you getting lol, makes them randomly waste attempts

[hoary hill]

well iam still challenger 6

[upper grove]

@quick lake defense lasted only 1 day. That guy really wants to take my spot

[hoary hill]

but i dont want too have the second team out thats why i mostly ask

my sentence doesnt makes any sense lmao

[whole pawn]

@tropic summit

[hoary hill]

btw @keen vapor last sp arena i got rewards from challenger 10 and not in 6 but this time i actually do pretty good and yes i will try to get noah up and schakal and the others

[whole pawn]

rail is gone

[hoary hill]

i progressed actually pretty good i gained over 30k cp since last time or more

now i have to wait until tomoroww until i can get rapis skk titel welp

[eager mountain]

rail cant be here all day the best is to learn how to cook from how they cooked for ya

[hoary hill]

ohh

[keen vapor]

Aim for the highest

[hoary hill]

i have enough for the titel

[tropic summit]

i'm back was cooking for Rosy

taking a look now

[hoary hill]

i aquired rapis commadant yesss

[vapid lake]

No i want rail to be my personal chef 24/7

[whole pawn]

but he asked me for roster

[hoary hill]

lvl 40 bond rrh

[tropic summit]

i'm not worthy

[hoary hill]

iam happy

completed finally

[keen vapor]

Rapi MLB

So whale

[hoary hill]

not really but yea i spend like a dolphin level

[whole pawn]

you guys really have ur time creating good covers

[vapid lake]

If my opponent puts cindy p1 i multiply the burst gen value here by x1.5 right

[hoary hill]

yes i aimed for this for so long

[vapid lake]

Because theres 3 targets

[keen vapor]

X1.75

[hoary hill]

rapi is queen bro it took so long to get the rapi title and the thes rest lmao

[vapid lake]

why is it x1.75

[hoary hill]

but when redhood comes rapi gets replaced probably

[eager mountain]

trying to monopolize rail the motherly savior of this channel? such can be considered as a he*tai act

[keen vapor]

Is a lot

[tropic summit]

try any of these 3, if one loses try the other and keep repeating, also try to push for helm treasure and get noah

[final wedge]

Lmao yea he hit me as well now

[eager mountain]

target skip locking p2 so 3 target 1.5x, +0.25 since decoy is 0.5 targets

[vapid lake]

Anyway the #1 spot in my bracket made a big mistake putting cindy in p1, im gonna show everyone hes not invincible
||Once i find out what time he logs in everyday then i hit him immediately after he logs off||

[tropic summit]

lol, the poor lad doesn't know what awaits him

[hoary hill]

lmao once i had some even swap his formation to keep me off the first place lmao

[umbral belfry]

hunting him down

[vapid lake]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1162985219830329374.webp?size=128&animated=true

[whole pawn]

let's see if I have the cp

[eager mountain]

while login time have patterns, its usually not that static tho, means that u still need to be around a bit even for those with highly predictable login time

[vapid lake]

I know i wait until last login 30m before hitting

[eager mountain]

[vapid lake]

Nobody bothered to hit him for weeks so he must be complacent and doesn't check

I was already in top 3 so theres no reason for me to pick a fight with him but today im gonna cause chaos for fun

[hoary hill]

well the thing is he aint gonna be only the whole time so go for it i guess its not like hes plasing ark survival evolved or rust where you can get raided and soaked

[tropic summit]

if you want to push CP to the max while still having a somewat doable rookie team, there's also this option

[hoary hill]

i did that too i kicked the 3 place and then the first place then i was 3 place for 8 hours until i got back to my original place

[vapid lake]

Cindy p1 3RL --> 2RL

[tropic summit]

profit

[vapid lake]

His team looks like 3rl just off eyeballing

This should be a free win

[eager mountain]

mfs keeps putting cindy p1

[tropic summit]

aye you're spot on

[hoary hill]

had that too but didnt take to long until i made him be gone from my place he took from me lmao

[eager mountain]

its not even assuming it works like p1 + jackel or p1 + bis, ppl just keeps doing that

[whole pawn]

@tropic summit

[tropic summit]

is that enemy helm treasured i wonder? 🤔

[keen vapor]

Me fr

[whole pawn]

idk

what if it is

[hoary hill]

uff that guy is pretty consistent

[tropic summit]

this happens

[hoary hill]

always somehow the japansese or chinses idk what it is actually

[keen vapor]

Yeh

[keen vapor]

I call him Tsubasa

[tropic summit]

only one way to find out tho, @whole pawn

[whole pawn]

i give up?.

[eager mountain]

2rl since he have 2 ar feeding jackel

90+ 3.55*4+rl feed(0)

[hoary hill]

i have the same problem

like this guy is like yours only difference he didnt win for the past days against me

besides today why ever that happend

[tropic summit]

yeah that's a team you'd want to noah against if anything, but he doesn't have her

[whole pawn]

do I try different team?

[eager mountain]

yeah noahless be like that

[tropic summit]

probably for the best, your odds are slim without noah against that one

either way it's 12:51AM here, probably time i hit the sack, good thing tomorrow is last day then weekend comes

[eager mountain]

nighty

[eager mountain]

dont think neither has a good chance

[hoary hill]

yea

[whole pawn]

ofc they don't ,

[whole pawn]

even this isn't working

[whole pawn]

nvm I won with this

[keen vapor]

Guys, I got 2 SG purple dolls

[hoary hill]

its probably gonna be who gets his burst first

[hoary hill]

i need that

[whole pawn]

he got it by 0.5 ms, we both had Cindy left but mine won

[eager mountain]

better cindy won

[keen vapor]

I get them all the time

[hoary hill]

nice

[hoary hill]

i need them for dorothy and grave guillotine

but i need shotgun dolls right now more lmao

[vapid lake]

time to start work
Chaos will have to wait

[keen vapor]

I said SG

[hoary hill]

sg in nikke is ar

[whole pawn]

mine did

[hoary hill]

sf is shotgun

weirdly

but yea i would take the shotguns too of course

[eager mountain]

yeah so rh buffed cindy > higher cp helm buffed cindy, well done

[hoary hill]

always get confused that in weapons category sg is ar and not shotgun and shotgun is sf

idk why

[keen vapor]

What is SF

[hoary hill]

shotgun

[keen vapor]

Where's the F

[eager mountain]

nikki tiny ui bs, used to mixed up smg and mg cuz the tiny line on smg barely visible depending on screen

[hoary hill]

if you go on filter sf is shotgun

[keen vapor]

No....

[hoary hill]

sg is ar there

[keen vapor]

No

[hoary hill]

it is

iam not lying

look i choose sg and got ar

if i choose Sf i get shotguns

[keen vapor]

Ah right, you're french

[hoary hill]

actually german

[keen vapor]

I thought privatia... Well, nvm

[hoary hill]

ye

so thats why i said that of course with sf and sg

[keen vapor]

Well, in English Shotgun is SG

[hoary hill]

i know of course to sg is short for shotgun buz yea

yea i know

Sf schrotflinte could make sense but idk

sturmgewehr sg yea yea

but when you go on the shotgun doll its sg

yea its actually Schrotflinte for sf but Sg for short there just stupid

I got elegg today and i understand since i got further in campaign why everyone likes her so much

[graceful grotto]

joined the thelm gang

[hoary hill]

Soon i will be there too hopefully next week

[umbral belfry]

happy for you

[paper peak]

Guys need a good pvp team, for team 2 and 3.

My team 1 is same as my story mode,

Team 1 = Crown, Naga, Rapi RH, Ein and Sbs (These are with skill invested)
Team 2 = ?
Team 3 = ?

[quick lake]

Man, it didnt work

[final wedge]

i shouldnt use my rookie chance this mornin...now i cant try my new team @random tundra

long long long time ago i wanna have biscuit lifesteal + noah burst shield....and now i can with Helm give so many burst gen

not to mention Drake treasure give massive boost to SG DPS....I wonder if it is any good

[raven plover]

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

use 100 gems or the free tokens

[crystal flicker]

Assume CP difference not more than 15%:
ScarletBS Crown Naga Jackal BSoda
Blanc Ein Pepper Biscuit Anis
Marciana MPriv Neon Rapipi Maiden / just auto for cp pad team

Your main Nikke for PvP will be Treasured Helm, Blanc, Biscuit, Anis, Jackal, ScarletBS, and probably BSoda and Pepper
Priority: Try get Helm to 2 star, lv 15 SR doll, and bond 30 to unlock her treasure (You can get her dupe from silver mileage shop, gacha, etc)

[valid fern]

Is Scarlet S2 an aoe or does it only affect the attacking individual?

[crystal flicker]

The counter? only attacking individual
This also why usually you put her at P1

[tender valve]

Thanks for this def Nice team

[umbral belfry]

[umbral crown]

[copper creek]

generally its fine , if u're guys were looking at the clip on prydwen, thats mine

i dont remember the exact stats but the ASS, noir and mpriv (poor guy went forever without scarlet) at least were built

[umbral crown]

munch cooking

[swift mango]

OL Privaty

[crystal flicker]

munich

[copper creek]

nah its just the cindy vs 5x SG video i think @tulip quest was referencing here #pvp-arena message

nothing new from me, not that u wont see in rps anyway

except all the messed up teams that will never burst or the teams with missing p2 so opponent cant gen burst 🤣

[umbral crown]

we not part of the new generation of pvp

[copper creek]

pls im washed

martinis and top200 SR

[umbral crown]

real stonk, slowly getting close to top 100 then top 10

[copper creek]

dont want, just top200 enough for me

[copper creek]

oh shit, long time no see

[umbral crown]

but before 1% was enough

[copper creek]

fair point

[copper creek]

you finished your helm+ yet?

[umbral crown]

kinda, she is already treasure but now working on OL lines and skills

but best thing she has treasure, the rest will come eventually

for 2.5 anni we might get skill resets so i can max her and other units

[copper creek]

gud stuff

i 101010'd mine already

3atk 3ele 3cs
though will wash out a cs for 4th ele

but i think maybe dont need to 101010

[umbral crown]

Hahaha waos, i got 1 blue line ele om her

[copper creek]

give ty

my rolls all low

[umbral crown]

Inwas lucky , she had boots just 1 line ele 23%then got the blue line along with charge damage

Just need to save more rocks to keep trying

[copper creek]

go go go

top 3% this sr

[umbral crown]

thats too much for me yet haha

that will require investing on anchor and mast

and no books for it

[copper creek]

dont need

this is going to be the most infuriating SR

i havent put in timestamps yet but u can see guide in rps

i think should be free 3% for PC players

[umbral crown]

but i do not play in pc

[copper creek]

p-chan 🙂

[umbral crown]

mobile will carry me, auto and hope for the best

[glacial lion]

Scar 1 buffer cant nuke defender anymore

[copper creek]

long wasnt reliable brotherman

when dolls came out we did the math already

1buff scar is absolutely not gonna happen past sync361ish

[umbral crown]

[glacial lion]

but ppl were poor back then, not enough doll kits for pvp nikkes only at that time

[umbral crown]

even 1 buff scar could not kill my biscuit

[copper creek]

sr5 enough already bro

or was it sr0, idr

[worthy knoll]

I was wondering why the background song seems nostalgic.. then I remember it was Soul Land

[bright mantle]

is the break point of emilia 37% or 38% total?

[keen vapor]

I never get RL SR dolls

[keen vapor]

Is that charge speed?

[bright mantle]

yea, i figured out its 38%

[keen vapor]

[merry echo]

Helm with treasure definitely has the same burst gen as jackal, if not faster.
Is it wise to use her in my third SP team? The BP is quite low though

Or is it better to pair her with jackal since it affects all units

[keen vapor]

[rich quail]

@keen vapor It’s ok bro

I’m getting shafted so hard on banner pulls right now

[keen vapor]

Ouch

[rich quail]

Yeah

205 pulls on RRH until I finally got her
61 pulls on Mana, did not get her
20 pulls on Mast, did not get her

Pitied once on RRH, and once on Mana

Completely broke rn

[keen vapor]

[umbral belfry]

if a jackal isn't as tanky as other units yet, should she still be p5 when there's a sg on the opposite team?

[rich quail]

That’s a good question

[umbral belfry]

I would assume no?

[rich quail]

I dunno for sure

But my Jackal is Core +6

So although she isn’t super tanky, I don’t have many problems with her and opponent sg units

[keen vapor]

Define tankyness

[umbral belfry]

this basically I was just thinking about playing around with comps in rookie since I'm at a safe cp to do so and was curious

hence why, at least for me, it wouldn't be wise to put jackal p5 for now

[keen vapor]

: Always invest your batteries

[umbral belfry]

I know I just got jackal

but soon tm

back to the waiting game i go then

[quick lake]

The dmg that the linked units recieve is dependent on who gets hit. So if ur Jackal has SR0/5, with high defence, similar ur linked units get less dmg

Jackal P5 should be fine imo. Tanky or not shouldnt matter too much

[umbral belfry]

i'm doll-less im out here in the trenches

[quartz prawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1162985219830329374.webp?size=128&animated=true

[umbral belfry]

but good to know!

[quick lake]

Yeah, P5 is fine

[umbral belfry]

[rich quail]

@quick lake

[umbral belfry]

one day

[rich quail]

Easily highest def in my team

[quick lake]

Look at those cores

[rich quail]

I kept getting her early on, so I’m grateful to have her

I still have the ability to make her even stronger by working on her gears

and OL lines

[graceful grotto]

@quick lake dude did u OL drake?

[quick lake]

Way earlier last time .Will work on my Rapi doll first

[graceful grotto]

hmmmm

i'm thinking should i start working on drake's doll

[quick lake]

Can probably wait out imo. Can wait for Eva2 units. Also need to potentially save mats for half anniv chara

[umbral belfry]

is this an okay order to start building batteries + noise(would like to upgrade her doll)

[quick lake]

Noise Jackal Noah priority in that order imo

[umbral belfry]

are we starting with noise first bc she's already somewhat higher on the list vs everyone else?

[eager mountain]

anchor is so adorable that all i can see is her there

[umbral belfry]

she is very cute though

[crystal flicker]

I guess because you'll use her with Cindy, and her burst will buffs CIndy HP = More Damage

[umbral belfry]

ohhh good point good point

[eager mountain]

tbh still the best interest to invest pve = pvp cp but yeah noise jackal noah high priority pvp supports/battery

[crystal flicker]

I haven't touch my Noise

[umbral belfry]

then I will priorize those first for pvp outside of my mains. ty ty

[coarse lake]

does anyone have vids of cindy dying mid-burst, but someone else on cindy team living through it (so fight doesn't end immediately)

[crystal flicker]

Tetra support gears are hard to get

[coarse lake]

if so, send vid and ping me pls

[graceful grotto]

yeah that's what i thought too

if next raid is fire then i can just proceed i guess

[atomic wolf]

how do i counter this/

[vapid lake]

https://tenor.com/view/police-come-here-gif-13262177

[graceful grotto]

just slap defender + biscuit?

[graceful grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/denzel-training-day-gif-16743259178450786472

[atomic wolf]

how does that work, i dont play in pvp arena that much so idk

[crystal flicker]

First thing first, avoid using MG in PvP

[graceful grotto]

SBS is their B3

She's a distributed dmg attacker, so if she hits 0 on the leftmost unit, everyone will be distributed with 0 dmg

Biscuit passive will nullify any dmg deal to the defender unit when their hp drop below 50% for 5 seconds, essentially nullifying sbs dmg if sbs is targetting that defender

[atomic wolf]

ah

[graceful grotto]

In general, things to consider in pvp is

1. Burst Generation Speed (avoid using MG, SMG, AR or even SR for low burst gen except some special unit like Scarlet, Grave, Blanc etc.)
2. Survive their B3 dps OR kill them before they kill you

B3 dps all has their flaws

Team wiper like Scarlet, Cinderella, QEQ, Rei.A etc. are susceptible to Noah's counter (and Bay)

ST DPS like SBS, Alice, Red Hood are susceptible to Defender Taunt + Biscuit

something like that

[atomic wolf]

i only build for PvE... these people just builds super hard on PvP just to get 300 more gems

[graceful grotto]

i mean

you build for PVE also to get few more gems (raids)

and PVP need 3 teams, raids need 5 teams + ele advantage unit

[umbral belfry]

I'm happy with my 3k gems from sp arena

[atomic wolf]

i only get 2k7

[swift mango]

People build for raid mainly because they level brick in Arena. And some want to get those rank 1 frame rather than gem.

Arena required you to play daily and doesn't reward shiny frame

[quick lake]

Inb4 CA new PvP frame and doll mats

[boreal surge]

Nah bro I'd Win😎

[quick lake]

So that’s what the report player button was for

[swift mango]

Said Defender needs to be 100% HP when she nuke though.

And RH buff is much stronger than Blanc.

It's also rare to see Blanc with s3lv10.

[coarse lake]

my anis takes about 80% hp dmg from unbuffed 2rl scar

If hitting with high sync advantage, net 1 buffer scar is enough

[leaden canyon]

Made my rookie team noise noah cindy helm jackal and noise is linked lol

[coarse lake]

Instead of Cindy?

[leaden canyon]

yep

[coarse lake]

That's great actually, optimal, don't want Cindy link

That way you got a chance against enemy Cindy

[leaden canyon]

yeah, idk why I didn't do this before lmao

Not like it was getting beaten yet, but I think this just made it a lot harder to crack

[coarse lake]

Correct speed emi nuke still kills kek

But other than that, can't think of any consistent counters atm

[leaden canyon]

Would it kill a cindy with nosie hp buff?

thats a lot of HP

[coarse lake]

Cindy never kills Cindy

But you can do it if Cindy is linked

[leaden canyon]

oh my mistake I thought you meant emi bursting

[coarse lake]

Oh emi nuke, 2 buffer

Emi Blanc rh flex jackal

Your team is 2rl right

[leaden canyon]

yes

[coarse lake]

Who has taunt prio, noise or Noah

[leaden canyon]

nosie p1

[coarse lake]

Noise Noah jackal Cindy helm position

So enemy emi doesn't get decoy feed

Force them to run high cs everyone, their own helm+, or 1 buffer emi

Bc double buffer emi can't reach 2rl otherwise

[leaden canyon]

hmm, I'll try it

also I was just saying which position noise was in, I think when bursting happens its noah that gets the taunt because she taunts second which overrides the first taunter right?

tbh idk much about how taunting prio works in pvp

[coarse lake]

Post burst is a bit awkward, but doesn't matter much here

Pre burst is what matters, and that's determined by their cs and position

[leaden canyon]

gotcha

how much more burstgen does a 17% charge speed helm do btw

because mine has 17% charge speed

[coarse lake]

Should be about 3 shots in 2.5rl like the others

Won't make a diff in 2rl speed

[leaden canyon]

alrighty, thanks

[valid fern]

i mean technically it would make her around 1.7RL for 2 shots

[fathom rock]

@tropic summit ein is doing something

[leaden canyon]

Hm, this got beat finally, however the only change to it was emilia having resilience cube, it won twice against the same guy and the team was 3.5RL, I changed her to quantum for 3RL and lost a defense, idk if that matters or not

[graceful grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

[leaden canyon]

Hi I do both, you never have enough materials and feel sad all the time

[fathom rock]

Same
Top 1% raid?

[leaden canyon]

I got 0.5 last raid

I just did it once

I dont bother for higher

[fathom rock]

I wish i had 60fps

Centi seems to always survive

[graceful grotto]

same

[fathom rock]

How centi tanks scar nuke is beyond me

[graceful grotto]

when u focus SR, pvp drop

vice versa

[leaden canyon]

the shield, defender stats and doll, also might have tempering cube on

[vapid lake]

😱 Fk me i made a fatal mistake that i only noticed after loading into the fight THAT'S EMBARRASSING

Laplace and ein should swap pos 😱

[fathom rock]

I think you wanted to swap la+ and ein

-1 try

[vapid lake]

I bursted way before him but laplace burst does no dmg in pvp

[leaden canyon]

looool

well yeah biscuit and noah

[vapid lake]

Chaos will have to wait one day

[fathom rock]

Why i like to double check my comps here
If i dont notice someone else will

[vapid lake]

My 3k gems are pretty much locked in already so now im just attacking random ppl for fun

but fk this is still embarrasing

[fathom rock]

we all human its fine

[vapid lake]

I brought shame to the bros here i should exile myself

[rocky warren]

[quick lake]

My team was 2RL… but forgot to have a B1 unit

[tropic summit]

beautiful, maybe you've found your cope scarlet afterall, good thing you also got as backup plan still Rei aswell, maybe there's hope

[swift mango]

You are a tad overestimated Cindy there.

With Biscuit Cindy will always survive Cindy. Without Biscuit? There are many variables.

[strange rain]

are these comps viable ?

or should i slot rouge wit noir comp

[tropic summit]

what are you going for exactly? the only one somewat viable, albeit a weak B3, is the team with alice

highly suggest to arrange teams either for CP padding, hybrid CP pad + meta 4RL or actual meta 3RL (or faster)

[strange rain]

hm ig i dont have many options went with cp could you advise if i can change some stuff ?

[swift mango]

Could work at your level.

Good positioning at least

But rail probably could build you better team.

[tropic summit]

naga liter ein rumani noir (liter rumani ein naga noir for better safety on single B2)
anis privaty rh neon biscuit
pepper anch:IM alice drake noise

wishlist: jackal, centi, blanc

@keen vapor a neon cook rare chance

[strange rain]

Ty

[keen vapor]

[limber rampart]

20% deficit auto lost right?

[quick lake]

Not auto lose. Just a really challenging fight.. that u likely lose

[limber rampart]

how much % deficit that certainly lose?

[quick lake]

Probably when >20%. No hard and fast rule

Team building matters a lot too

[glad meteor]

SG hit hard

On deficit too

[crystal flicker]

more deficit = more stat reductions

[swift mango]

30%

I haven't seen anyone win at 30% deficit I think. 28% I saw once, against very bad team that could be tank with biscuit.

35+% then just give up.

Ofc if you got lv gapped heavily then even worse....

[glad meteor]

I think I did once at 30%+

Was pre cp adjustment

Blanc biscuit x ros scalter

P2/3 died to emi and scalter prayge

[unique mountain]

[tropic summit]

[pale knoll]

[velvet moat]

Is A2 good on pvp?
Guess i need more RLs for Champion arena later so starting to invest remilia and consider to build a2

[runic coral]

he did it

[tropic summit]

now change defense a bit

[tropic summit]

yes A2 is a decent burster

[runic coral]

no point he's wasting gems to end up in top3 anyways I don't get it

[tropic summit]

it's ego and e-pen

those ppl don't fight for gems

[velvet moat]

https://tenor.com/view/writing-pen-ok-got-it-noted-gif-5849903637368710956

[summer copper]

gems are infinite, you can just buy more, arena position however...

[runic coral]

he had his 44 minutes of glory, I took back my spot with 1 chip

[glad glade]

Wow that's a lot of gmes

[runic coral]

it's a whale losing to f2p, at this point he'd pay to beat me in pvp

[tropic summit]

brute force ftw

[shell hazel]

if at first you don't succeed, try, try, try, try again!

[pseudo arch]

Is rosanna good for defense?

[tropic summit]

rosanna excels at attack, but can work on defense

[random tundra]

@final wedge hit again

[lunar pawn]

rosanna in a 3RL or faster team can easily disrupt several comps if she's built enough

[oak gale]

yall is there a difference between top 1 and top 3 when it comes to rewards?

[swift mango]

I tried fighting at 30% deficit.

My Crown got one shot by Alice and can't trigger Biscuit.

Yeah, 30% is about certain lose.

Opponent is 74 lv above me though. If you fight enemies equal level to you +20, maybe crown could trigger Biscuit... Who knows...

[umbral belfry]

@tropic summit has been breached i fear

but doesn't look like it's consistent

[tropic summit]

lad might be running some lucky crits there uh 🤔

is it time to dish out le jackal?

[umbral belfry]

i did

and now they lost def

i saw their t1 has scar + jackal and that was the easiest skip i ever saw in my life

too much for me rn, and i'm getting cp-blocked again. time to beef up

[tropic summit]

aye, throw some rocks and dolls at them and beef em up

remind me, you did get noah right? you could beat their scarlet team if so

[umbral belfry]

time to get yoked up, batteries

[umbral belfry]

i do! i forgot to take a pic of the team i used to take c1 back bc it was at one min before reset so i had to rush

[tropic summit]

wow rat strats, hime hitting them when it hurts

[umbral belfry]

i just remember using noah + bis for their t3 (noah/bisc/sbs) vs that same team but my own sbs

[tropic summit]

~~they grow up so fast ~~

[umbral belfry]

chef in training

or just a trainee cook

[tropic summit]

me so proud

[umbral belfry]

dish washer

[tropic summit]

oh ye that works

good choice

[umbral belfry]

my main priority is beefing up my batteries and finding a way to get to 2.5 RL cindy w/o destroying my cp

[tropic summit]

good chefs start from washing dishes to cooking for ramsey, all part of the plan

[umbral belfry]

but i'm one of the lowest CPs if i wasn't cp gapping so i have no choice

[tropic summit]

hmm you could but you might take a hit to the burst nuke dmg, else you gonna need some rocks

[umbral belfry]

i still need to get 4/4 OL before rocks too

[tropic summit]

haha, that will take some time, hang in there and be patient

[umbral belfry]

[tropic summit]

scoring ch1 is no average feat, pretty good result so far

closest you can get to 2.5RL cindy is probably this

[umbral belfry]

beefing up my anis is gonna be pain

[tropic summit]

aye

CP may also get tanked, so not necessarely worth it

[umbral belfry]

2.5 RL is just a dream for me

[tropic summit]

think you're best sticking to a scar-jack and 3RL cindy team for the time being

[umbral belfry]

you're right

now all i need is a scar

[short moth]

ty for the tips bro i went from 110 in my group to 18

[tropic summit]

well dayum nice job

[tropic summit]

yup, then you can punish a lot of comps

in fact being ch1 without a scarlet is fairly interesting

[umbral belfry]

[short moth]

the peoples champion

[umbral belfry]

wait today is x2 rewards beef up day starts now

[tropic summit]

||hopefully it's not 0x2 day||

||because that's still 0 ||

[umbral belfry]

gonna pretend i didn't read that as i go to harvester

[tropic summit]

indeed, godspeed

there i hid it, so you literally didn't read it

[umbral belfry]

not 0 drops

[tropic summit]

good, or i'd have felt bad for jinxing it

[vapid lake]

[tropic summit]

oh no

[swift mango]

@eager mountain Your question the other day....

Guess I had to lock...

My very First Ele black line...

Lucky enough

[eager mountain]

helm elem is pretty much useless rn in pvp so

locking that ele also means expensive cs roll for that gear

[swift mango]

Black Ele never useless in arena, it's best CP pad line

[glad meteor]

Nice.

[eager mountain]

well... 18ish extra rocks on average for cs, getting u some cp (or cd can)

[glad meteor]

My laplace doll is being a pain, my helm doll was much easier

[swift mango]

That's pretty cheap

[swift mango]

We both know a single black line cost much more than these.

[eager mountain]

yes, but not like ur goal is rolling backline for sr mald but cs for pvp mald

[swift mango]

My goal is having higher CP than other of my level on top of CS

[eager mountain]

the diff actually wont be as big as u'd imagine tbh

[swift mango]

CP>everything at the end of the day

[eager mountain]

roll cs, then roll other 2 lines of any, then reroll some tier, u get a very close cp from that

[swift mango]

Try lv60 p2 like me and you will know.

[eager mountain]

black elem line is 24n cp, random line is 2-16n cp

gl rolling for cs then, if u get it first roll then its giga worth

[swift mango]

Black Ele line worth 18 ranks.

You wouldn't be even getting that much rank from 3 line if you where unlucky.

[eager mountain]

isnt it 24

[swift mango]

I rerolled 3 line for total of 5 times once and only totally 16 ranks.

[swift mango]

Black line is rank 15 or 16? Not sure. Remember r15.

[eager mountain]

for other lines, 2-16n

first tier is 2 and raise by 1 by each tier

for elem its *1.5

[swift mango]

Ele is *1.2 though.

[eager mountain]

lemme check... not like im that sure at all

[swift mango]

My all rock are for CS.

And Ele. Only those 2 line matter the most for Arena. ATK and crit are nice to have though.

[eager mountain]

oh its 1.2

so 2.4n ~ 19.2n

then rolling cs only then random 3 lines gives very similar cp then, and also likely more useful then helm elem in pvp

but up to u

[swift mango]

Similar in your dream. I rolled random 3rd line twice and it's both rank 1 lines.

[brazen ledge]

For rosanna atk is more important than ele I think

[eager mountain]

and u reroll it, and all that would cost u less then 18 to get a very similar cp

but again up to u

[swift mango]

Try Rossana team with 40ATK at 20 deficit and 0ATK at 15% deficit then

See which Rossana is better

[brazen ledge]

It is just that without atk rosanna deals considerably less dmg

So like ok she won’t be more useful, but she’ll be pretty much useless (outside of sacrifice for burst) in both cases

[eager mountain]

1.2x cp not a major diff and pretty much only iron maybe wind benefits much from elem line in pvp, most other pvp dps would want atk, rosa is elec so she wants atk as well

pve content certainly favoring elem, even then id argue alice rh would want atk for campaign snipe over elem

[brazen ledge]

And her burst scales a lot with atk lines iirc

[swift mango]

Rossana even without any ATK line is enough to pick off 20% HP Scarlet. And Rossana with 80% Ele with kill Emi much easier.

At higher level even 50%ATK Rossana won't be killing anyone but those 2 anyway.

[brazen ledge]

Alice wants more atk than ele imo

When you use her, it’s mostly paired with sbs where it’s wind weak

[swift mango]

You could pair with SBS on fire weak as well. But this is arena chat. Though

[eager mountain]

not like u need the fire elem to kill fire campaign targets neither, its for SR and indivilia

[swift mango]

Boss 35 is Fire weak, with core that need pierce to reach, trust.

[eager mountain]

even s7 indivilia feel quite hard without well invested asuka before rapi comes out lol

[eager mountain]

that would be depending on what type of dps they wanna promote, which will be similar to the dps that that release alonside ch 35/36 lol

50% chance to be wind weak chapters again, to me, but boss itself can change

[swift mango]

Just trust

[eager mountain]

oh btw they just released first look of colored crown skin figure

guess its gonna be $300

[strange rain]

winnable ?

[eager mountain]

should be

[strange rain]

even with defecit ?

[eager mountain]

first team has some deficit but biscuit tanks it anyway

[strange rain]

should i remove neon with doro to lower the defecit ?

[eager mountain]

doesnt really matter privaty can die

and she wont even die anyway

[strange rain]

so worth a try ?

[eager mountain]

oh

for second pic

swap naga with liter or rumani, in case naga dies and no burst

[strange rain]

kk

maybe slor modernia instead priv ?

boosts the cp by a bit

[eager mountain]

should win anyway, but this team is indeed slight better

[swift mango]

trust.

[swift mango]

May swap Biscuit and Mordenia

You don't want her to ded to Marciana early

[strange rain]

won ;-; tysm

[swift mango]

This team is less than 15% deficit though, so no stat reduction

[strange rain]

how about this one ?

[grand plaza]

How often groups change? The current group I am in is super fun, competitive fun near challanger 10 spot, I hope it won't change soon

[strange rain]

end of fab

[grand plaza]

Always a month?

[swift mango]

Look kinda lose to me but could work

[strange rain]

no every couple of months but they announced the brackets gonna shuffle in the end of fab

[swift mango]

20% deficit. If you could kill they Noah before they burst you win.

[grand plaza]

[strange rain]

[swift mango]

It's 3rl vs 4.5rl.

[swift mango]

Well, we are talking about helm Ele. She is one of the best water DPS right now. So it's worth it if you outside of Arena

And even in Arena she will be in every line up. And could use the high CP to carry the team.

[umbral belfry]

how would jackal's link work in this team? noah + noise are taunters but noise + bisc has the most atk (and are these positions okay?)

[swift mango]

I could have beaten my 75 lv gap whale if I had more Ele black line.

[swift mango]

Okay but you won't get much feed here.

If Noise has less or Equal CS to Noah you could move her to p1.

[tropic summit]

if noise is linked, she's great to have in p1, specifically if noise has lower CS% than noah, she'll get taunt priority

[umbral belfry]

none of these outside of cindy have OL, so i can only assume their CS is mostly the same? everyone outside of cindy and noise are pretty new and not really built, but it wins in attack

but i'm not sure how to check who has more CS

but noise 100% has a link

i think noah might have more CS now that I think about it bc she has adjutant cube and noise doesn't

[tropic summit]

although, you could consider just using noah elsewhere

if noise is linked, in p1 she'll survive regardless you hit noah b2

[eager mountain]

looks like a rookie team to me

[umbral belfry]

this is just my attacking team, t2 is just to cp gap win and this is my t3

[tropic summit]

oh naruhodo

[umbral belfry]

and it wins, i just wasn't sure how the placement works

otherwise i woulda used noah elsewhere if otherwise

[tropic summit]

gotcha

[umbral belfry]

and since they're using sbs, def + bisc hard counters right?

[tropic summit]

in SP arena it's very likely you won't have cindy and noah together, although noise will want to stick with cindy at least

[tropic summit]

yup that's correct

defender taunter + biscuit denies nearly all dmg from SBS

as distributed dmg on an invulnerable target kills its dmg

[umbral belfry]

then i figured if she's not gonna be anywhere else on this specific attacking team, might as well use her here

[tropic summit]

hime's cookin'

[umbral belfry]

[undone wyvern]

I need help

[umbral belfry]

so would the positions be this? assuming noise has lower CS% than noah (which i think she does bc cubes?)

[eager mountain]

my idea was elem% itself is useless for helm in pvp, its usually cp padding only until they have fire meta, so rerolling cs then having all 3 lines with decent tier not only cost less rock, but also has better chance getting atk in the process, and the cp diff wont be big
but ofc if the goal is cp then lock black elem, roll for cs, then lock and roll for 2nd/3rd line

[umbral belfry]

or would we want noah to burst here

[eager mountain]

ofc u want noah burst

[umbral belfry]

makes sense, just figuring out the placements is giving me a head scratch

[eager mountain]

for this team its usually noah noise biscuit cindy jackel, with lower cs on noah

but, this shouldnt be ur sp team

[umbral belfry]

ahhh

[eager mountain]

this is a rookie team

ur wasting too many chara on this def

[umbral belfry]

i understand that. i'm only using this for a specific sp attacking team bc:

• cp gapping one team
• t3 i know wins bc it happened already.

unless you think i should still change it up?

altho i will admit my cp gapping attacking team for this specific team is a bit overkill, just wanted to make it a certain win

[eager mountain]

atk team is def team dependent so

[umbral belfry]

mhm

[undone wyvern]

I need help someone build my team pvp

[umbral belfry]

i guess i'll see how it goes if they beef up more bc i'm already behind and start losing, then i'll stop being dumb ty regardless!

[umbral belfry]

you gotta post your roster for the chefs to cook

[eager mountain]

dont think i wanna cook rn tho, oh rail is here

[umbral belfry]

[tropic summit]

post your box with nikke ordered by strength

[eager mountain]

waiting to see hows the top raiders cooking with b3 helm

tho, doesnt mat H has perm core? in that case b3 helm shouldnt be that great at all

[swift mango]

Mat H core is hidden 70% the time I remember....

[eager mountain]

typo, lower cs @umbral belfry

[eager mountain]

i can hardly remember if its or not lol been too long fighting ch24 mat h

[undone wyvern]

Thank you first

[eager mountain]

another poli believer btw

helm not treasured?

[umbral belfry]

i assume if noah has higher CS, their positions would be reverse?

the struggle of not having enough cube levels

[eager mountain]

ideally, u want noah p1 for that team

[umbral belfry]

makes sense okay dok ty!

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

taking a look

[strange rain]

should i add collection iteam to biscuit for cp boost ?

[tropic summit]

sbs blanc rh xmaiden jackal
noise centi cind noir pepper
noah biscuit rapu s.anis tia

cubes

quantum on jackal, centi
vigor on blanc, biscuit, rapu, noise
temperance on noah
resil on s.anis
other nikke run highest lvl cube available

wishlist/notes: consider wishlisting scarlet, wishlist rumani, aim to get HelmT
i've added teams you can aim toward to

[swift mango]

Yeah, always

[final wedge]

Lmfao omg

[undone wyvern]

Bro i dont have xmaiden 😭

[vapid lake]

we love nikke pvp i can't attack the guy who attacked me for the past 30 minutes

how is this issue still around

pressed attack, went into loading screen, got booted back to main menu

and now bam

permanently in battle

[wise horizon]

Hey @tropic summit @swift mango any advice here?

[keen vapor]

Why skip with SBS

Btw, 40 rocks gone, no max ammo on Scarlet

I got one extra attack and ele tho

Guys, never reroll with 2 locks as first option

[keen vapor]

I don't get Summer Anis there

[keen vapor]

You're 1 RL late bc of Anis and Emilia will die, if that's your plan then 👍

Team 2 should win

I think Natsu hates me

[vapid lake]

Help echo im blue now

[eager mountain]

we call that "water group"

[keen vapor]

[wise horizon]

That’s the idea. To sacrifice them to win the battle

[wise horizon]

There’s no hate except for the raptures.

[keen vapor]

Yeah is good, do it

[umbral crown]

Because i would

[umbral crown]

[pseudo arch]

Is x Anne worth upgrading for defense?

[eager mountain]

not priority

[quick lake]

She is good if u can slot her in

[radiant storm]

What team for pvp to include when using Maid Anchor?

[rich quail]

I will use these 66 rocks on Valentine’s Day

[quick lake]

[rich quail]

I expect colossal disappointment

[keen vapor]

Where is your core dust

[rich quail]

I used most of it

Like a good boy

[vapid lake]

I guess im a bad boy now

[rich quail]

In fact. I have tried to go up one sync level every 2 days

I had done that for about 2-3 months now

But it may be in jeopardy today

Because I need 2500 cd

But I used up a lot of my battle data

I’m down to 5000 1 hour bd cases

Debating on whether or not to use some of the stash

[fiery walrus]

Could I get some help with sp arena teams

[swift mango]

[rich quail]

[swift mango]

That's a lot of BD case, easily 5 level

[swift mango]

List out your units that has 9% CS and above, and their CS.

[rich quail]

Yeah, I’m trying to use them gradually until 2000… then stop using them and save again

I don’t want to use all at once because I want to save for emergencies

[raven plover]

built moran

[fiery walrus]

my laplace is 9.5%, alice is 104 in burst 14.5 out of burst, I think that is it

[swift mango]

Is there any CS on Red Hood?

[fiery walrus]

2.86

[swift mango]

And her skill 1 level?

[fiery walrus]

5

[swift mango]

Nvm that then.

[swift mango]

Charge speed of Noise and Noah?

[fiery walrus]

noise is 4.92 noah is 0

[swift mango]

Since I already asked so much, to which units you have OL on?

[fiery walrus]

everyone up to maiden is 4ol after that is a mix of 1-3

[swift mango]

Everyone you showed?

[fiery walrus]

yeah in the first picture

[swift mango]

I mean everyone in 2 pic have at least 1OL on, right?

[fiery walrus]

most of them do

the top half do bottom doesnt

[warm vortex]

what is helm-tr burst gen at skill 1 lvl 7? i don't have the resources to lvl 10 her skill yet, with solo raid/maid duo going on

[swift mango]

Your Quantum cube level?

[fiery walrus]

7

[eager mountain]

if s2 treasured, 17.96 per rl

[swift mango]

Yeah equip LapT with Adjustant

[eager mountain]

why that t1 tho

[warm vortex]

nice, looks like i barely hit 2RL even at lvl 7!!

[eager mountain]

shes broken

[fiery walrus]

ty for the help

[swift mango]

He have 'em built so I had 'em use.

[unkempt kestrel]

so I got a quick question.
enemy team: Noah, rapunzel, sanis, naga, rh 4RL
my team: blanc, sanis, helm, rumani, xmaiden 2.5RL

enemy cp 360~
my cp 326~

my xmaiden got super low super quick and my blanc gave idom to her instead of sanis. Should i move blanc to p5 and shift my team left so it becomes sanis, helm, rumani, xmaid, blanc?

im assumming sanis and naga killed my xmaid

[eager mountain]

so anis off dps

[swift mango]

Buffer for Ein

[covert lintel]

place rumani to p5

or change xmaid to iron code RL such as centi

[swift mango]

You better just wipe their team with Scarlet. But if you want... Bring Biscuit and swap Rumani p5.

Also, if you want ofc, move ASS to p1 and Blanc p5

[unkempt kestrel]

my rumani is tankier than my xmaiden

[unkempt kestrel]

I dont have scarlet invested because I just got her

ill keep my position in mind when attacking some SG teams next time

[swift mango]

You only need Jackal TBF... Ein, SSakura, Cindy can wipe.

[swift mango]

You want biscuit to help Rumani having higher HP than Anis..

When u burst

F auto correct

[unkempt kestrel]

ohh trueee. I replaced biscuit because i still need time to build her.

ok so it wont be an issue once I use biscuit again

[glacial hound]

is anyone here familiar with helm treasure burst gen? based on the burst gen calculator treasure helm s1 level 10 + s2, which is what i have (10/7/7, stage 2) should fill the burst gauge about 80% after 4 shots, but based on a quick run in shooting range this number seems like it should be a lot closer to 95%

[graceful grotto]

Noah-Noise-Centi-Sanis-Laplace

Scarlet-Blanc-Red Hood-Noir-Jackal

Rumani-Bay-Biscuit-Cinderella-Xmaiden

[glacial hound]

i tried using only treasure helm and mast and they consistently achieve 4RL in shooting range, despite the calculator saying they shouldn't

[crystal flicker]

Get Helm dupe and get her Treasure

[glacial hound]

looking at the numbers, the chart says 39.82% after 2 shots, which would basically be equivalent to (2.8 * 2 (s2 proc) + 14.31 (s1 proc)) x 2 (2 shots), however this seems to be underestimating the total burst gen

maybe theres some kind of weird interaction going on to create that extra ~14% burst guage in 4 shots

or the s2 proc somehow gives more burst gen that anticipated

[valid fern]

pve gives bonus gen to the nikke who you're behind.

[glacial hound]

oh shit

damn ok, learned something new today

[sweet obsidian]

oh, wow, same. I thought it was just hit rate bonus to nikkes you manual

[glacial hound]

+20% to burst gen seems to check out based on my observations

when you are sitting behind the nikke

[coarse lake]

the gen is multiplied by the charge % of the shot

so only SR and RL benefit

[glacial hound]

that's just full charge multiplier, should be a different thing

for pvp calculations we already always assume full charge

[coarse lake]

in pve full charge multiplier also multiplies the gen if you're behind the unit

[glacial hound]

full charge multiplier is x2.5, i was not seeing x2.5 burst gen compared to expected

i was seeing like +20%

[coarse lake]

did you full charge the shot

[glacial hound]

yes...

[coarse lake]

is that treasured helm

the gen from s1 isn't affected by it, use a different sniper

see this little thing? it's the multiplier on your regular shot's gen

[glacial hound]

maybe ur confused by what i was asking about, I know that you get more burst gen by full charging SR/RL shot, that is the basic assumption because in pvp the AI forces you to full charge you have no say here. I was commenting that the burst gen i was getting here in shooting range is a bit higher than what is listed on the pvp burst gen data sheet, which keeps track of the burst gen of all characters for team building and speed matching in pvp. As the other guy explained, in pve when you hover over a character they get slightly extra burst gen (seems to be around 20%), when you shoot manually you also get like 20% bonus hit rate, you can notice the circle become smaller on MG, SMG when you do so

again, nothing to do with the full charge multiplier because i am never NOT full charging the shot, i am letting helm auto shoot as she does in pvp situation

yes this is indeed treasure helm, if you bothered to read what i had typed earlier

[whole pawn]

didn't know this is question 2.0

[glacial hound]

bro asking me about the question i was asking

[coarse lake]

never heard of any innate burst gen increase by hovering over unit that isn't tied to charge %

try it with a different unit and let helm do those same shots on her own

well ig that doesn't work bc she wouldn't get the full charge part

in pvp afaik units do not get the full charge bonus

[glacial hound]

ofc, i tried already
hovering over helm with mast on the side, 4 shots to full burst
hovering over mast with helm on the side, 5 shots to full burst
I didn't know about it before either

[coarse lake]

and only the raw unmultiplied dmg, that's why snipers have such trash gen

rls have high gen bc they hit 4 targets each hit

[glacial hound]

snipers have trash gen in pve, have you tried using a sniper?

[coarse lake]

yes, complete trash gen

[glacial hound]

only redhood and alice have good gen because they can pierce multiple targets

try shooting a single non boss target with redhood

in pve

you will take forever

[coarse lake]

the increase you see is helm's default shots getting boosted by 2.5, but the s1 dilutes the value bc it doesn't change

[glacial hound]

it can't possibly be boosted by 2.5

pvp list says around 20% per shot, boosted by 2.5 that would be 50% per shot

[coarse lake]

what 20% per shot

[glacial hound]

idk what you are on about, but pvp certainly does get full charge multiplier

[coarse lake]

pvp gen existed before full charge existed bruh

[coarse lake]

the vast majority of it isn't helm's base shot

[glacial hound]

maybe try to understand what i was asking about before you try to correct me on what i wanted to ask lmao, the other guy already gave me the correct answer

[coarse lake]

helm base gen is 5.6 in 2rl, that's what gets multiplied in pve

lemme math it out for you

helm gen in pvp (without full charge) is 5.6 base + 34.22 additional from skills

[tropic summit]

welcome to the blue gang

[coarse lake]

helm gen in pve (with full charge bonus) is (5.6 base * 2.5) + 34.22 additional from skills

so helm gen in pvp is 39.82, helm gen in pve is 48.22

[vapid lake]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1332646076519284760/1337701496019746977/Shitpost_65.mp4?ex=67a86719&is=67a71599&hm=9ad72996bbf67256914d9fa8bca950cca1e851ec01b361e2f882485f79bceafd&

[coarse lake]

48.22/39.82 = 1.2109 = 21% boost in gen

that's the 20% you're noticing, the full charge bonus gen

there is no such thing as innate 20% gen boost

that dude gave the right answer yes, the answer being pve units you're behind get their base gen boosted by whatever charge lvl they're at (2.5x for full charge regular snipers/rls)

not that there's innate gen increase

[sweet obsidian]

no, there definitely is. i tried it out, and cocoa took twice as long to start burst vs the boss in union training room when i didn't manual her compared to when i did. yes, some of it is cuz of reload, but there's definitely a difference from manualing vs not

[eager mountain]

🤔 wait its not target

[sweet obsidian]

how long it took for burst to be available. on the left, i manualed cocoa, on the right, i hovered diesel and didn't dps, so cocoa generated burst all by herself on auto. this discrepancy is too big

[coarse lake]

Are you on auto

[sweet obsidian]

cocoa was left on auto while i hovered diesel on the right. i manualed cocoa for the left result

[coarse lake]

Auto as in the top left setting

[eager mountain]

🤔 if autos on then its not treated as manual

[sweet obsidian]

i can't leave it on auto, or else diesel will contribute to burst gen

i had diesel cover and manualed cocoa to actually fire

[coarse lake]

Bruh

That's full charge bonus, I thought she wasn't charge unit

If you're over cocoa, she gets 2.5x gen

If you're not, base gen

Try it with a non charge unit

[eager mountain]

this game takes longer and longer to boot each day

booting a AAA game takes way shorter

wtf SU

[vapid lake]

Btw i still cant attack the guy who attacked me in sp arena 6 hour ago

Im actually locked out permanently in battle

Stupid bug

[eager mountain]

could it be the ai debugging

[sweet obsidian]

oh, i did, and yeah, it's about right, no change in burst gen. did it with diesel on auto and manual (slight discrepancy from my bad aim mid-work)

took the same time.

[coarse lake]

[eager mountain]

🤔 yeah its manual burst gen, and auto on or not doesnt affect that, unlike hitrate

[sweet obsidian]

hey, now i understand though. thanks

huh, i was assuming that cuz of the hit rate when you directly manual a unit, that's my bad

[eager mountain]

i saw the manual burst gen thing somewhere else before but kinda forgor its existence

[sweet obsidian]

i was aware of the hit rate bonus when manualing, but not burst gen when you hover on a rl/sniper

[coarse lake]

It's their attempt to mitigate the value of spamming charge units in pve

[sweet obsidian]

i remember the change was done to slightly nerf sniper/rl spam to burst gen, but I can't remember when the update happened

[coarse lake]

Spamming still better, but full charge is a lot closer now

[sweet obsidian]

anyway, ty for the help

time to hover helm for my kraken runs for the time being, lol

[eager mountain]

[valid fern]

speaking of kraken, I managed to get my first stage 6 today.

[shell hazel]

i'm working on helm skills as I add treasure, I started her at 4/4/4 but I guess skill 1 is her main pvp skill?

[eager mountain]

s1 burst gen

[sweet obsidian]

it's by far her most important skill in pve and pvp, yeah. sets her apart from almost everyone with how absurd the burst gen is

[shell hazel]

so a good target for now would be 7/4/4?

[sweet obsidian]

yeah.

[shell hazel]

I'm going to probably bump cindy burst to 9 before I switch back to burst skill on helm

we get some burst manuals in daily event soon

[sweet obsidian]

helm burst is weak without step 3 fave item. helm does just fine as an offburst with step 1/2 (though it still provides good healing for dps allies)

[eager mountain]

that didnt summon rail

[sweet obsidian]

with step 3, her single target nuke is absurd

[shell hazel]

I have 86 treasure items of the 160 I need

25 days at 3 per day before i'd have p3

[sweet obsidian]

ah, so you can already hit step 2, that's big

[shell hazel]

yeah, bond 28 though is hurting me

[sweet obsidian]

just shower her with gifts

[shell hazel]

I'm out lol

[sweet obsidian]

wdf... how is that even possible

[shell hazel]

we get 3 elysion gifts in daily event today going immediately to helm

[shell hazel]

newish player I tend to use them as I get them so not got a stockpile

[coarse lake]

I run out very often too

[shell hazel]

3 month account

[sweet obsidian]

ahhh, truuuue

[coarse lake]

I use them on important units very often

[shell hazel]

oh 27 with 2 purple ones for 28

[eager mountain]

cant really run out of them unless u pull dups often or new

thats like even if rerolling out dispatch gifts

[shell hazel]

this feels like poor value a little but I guess if I get desperate...

[coarse lake]

I run out all the time... Whenever I got important units done, I would get a dupe and back in the daily advise rotation it goes, along with all my gifts

Bscar and rapipi still aren't done

[sweet obsidian]

i always get 20/20 advice before i max out their bond nowadays

[eager mountain]

ya, usually

[sweet obsidian]

feels kinda bad advising them for 0 bond

[shell hazel]

what does 20/20 thing do?

[eager mountain]

sticker

[sweet obsidian]

give you a hexagonal sticker of their face

[eager mountain]

i use doro sticker the whole time

[shell hazel]

I could also use these wrong manufacturer but 600 co-op resources for 100 bond is also not amazing

I did the normal + elysion one already lol

[sweet obsidian]

ya, don't. honestly, i'd buy, but not use on helm

in your situation, anyway, with your lack of stockpile

[shell hazel]

the elysions ones we get today will boost by what 200 each? 3 of em

[sweet obsidian]

if you're diligent with co-op runs, you always have enough currency to clear out the whole shop

[shell hazel]

I have 30k co-op resource left as we got the drop yesterday so I could probably buy them

[coarse lake]

I only started going for 20 recently, since more bond than quick anyway

No plans to use any sticker that isn't bikini or bunny or accessories

[shell hazel]

co-op store resets in 2 days or so, I think I can get helm 30 by then at the latest

hope all my dispatches are bond tickets later 😄

[strange rain]

19.7% defecit winnable ?

[swift mango]

The problem with my Helm is that I'm still waiting for skill reset...

[covert lintel]

when is it

[swift mango]

Maybe after I get her s1 to 10.

And phase 3 her.

Maybe after I already 10/10/10 her.

Maybe after I already 4 CS lines her as well.

[covert lintel]

i needed for this

[sweet obsidian]

when they feel like it

[swift mango]

You are lv510, you don't need it to get to phase 6.

[covert lintel]

phase 6?

all anomaly are level locked

my level is meaningless

[tulip quest]

NOPE He has NOAH

Kay my bad I take it back I think u win

My estimate is you burst before them and kill him before noah burst

[rich quail]

Skill resets usually happen during anniversary or 1/2 anniversary events

So I guess May is the next one

[umbral crown]

Practically... never

[tulip quest]

Dorothy, Rapi and Guillotine basically has close to no burst generation

[strange rain]

I burst before him but he still won :/ oh well

[tulip quest]

Oh my bad my estimate, wrong sorry

[tulip quest]

Just a Guess tho your red hood died?

1st?

[strange rain]

Nw i took the fight before u even wrote 😂

[tulip quest]

u got recording?

[strange rain]

No i just got nuked when he bursted

[strange rain]

Nah

[tulip quest]

I guess level difference and prolly overload

[swift mango]

2/4 already... Maybe 1 a month or two.

[umbral crown]

What are the 2/4

[swift mango]

2 charge speed line

[umbral crown]

Hmmm

And whas your current sync?

[swift mango]

343

How about you?

Kinda stuck with these 2.

Wondering if I should lock the tier 14 DEF line.

Sound like a bad idea

[sweet obsidian]

it definitely is for a dps

[swift mango]

Yeah, I will just spend 2 rock to Perma lock the ele line and 1 rock roll the other piece.

[sweet obsidian]

blue or even black line of a stat you don't want is no good

[swift mango]

Ele lines is best line, ofc I want it.

DEF is well, bad idea indeed

[covert lintel]

prydwen not updated yet?

[swift mango]

I'm not in my game today, being high fevered and end up hitting a whale without checking his defense that he just changed and lost.

Time to rest...

[tulip quest]

LOCK IT Cause it's 30% anyways

3rd line

[sweet obsidian]

it takes a lot to change the layout/rating with fave item into consideration.

laplace guide + rating for fave item was out 2 1/2 months after fave item introduction

[tropic summit]

rest, you'll be able to fight another day

[sweet obsidian]

honestly, probably not a lot, but other things to worry about make it low prio

[tulip quest]

Right Now Helm, Laplace for PVP

Drake if you go SOLO RAID Shotgun Team

Also Helm dps is kinda high also for PVE

[sweet obsidian]

helm is SS tier for sure, same with drake.

[sweet obsidian]

oh, yeah, that just made me realize, lol. gotta be through with the testing, and getting fave item ready is time gated... calculations is one thing, actually testing the units with maxed out fave item is another

[tulip quest]

CAN I PUT Youtube on this discord?

[sweet obsidian]

160 fave item mats is maximum 54 days (54 x 3 = 162) with no solo raid help, so it checks out

[tulip quest]

On SKYJLV's video

HELM > SBS

CINDY > HELM

But really close

So yea HELM IS SSS

Both PVP AND PVE

[glad meteor]

[tulip quest]

Maybe just SS pvp

[glad meteor]

My alt is bricked without helm

[tulip quest]

But either way she's a monster DPS WISE

[sweet obsidian]

i posted a screenshot of helm maxed fave item burst critting in elysion tower discussion (it's confirmed the easiest tower now, after pilgrim tower ofc, if you have the right units)

152m dmg (normally, it's 90 - 100m)

[tulip quest]

YEA She's a BEAST

But I gotta HOPE From COPE considering my mats are close to non existant right now at it's level 2 R doll

[sweet obsidian]

you'll get there someday

[tropic summit]

that's fine, teams on the right are those you can aim toward but that you cannot run now, you can also consider this one instead if you find scarlet sooner than xmaiden (eventual xmas rerun)

[tropic summit]

you probably got help already, but i'll leave it just in case

[swift mango]

If Max out Helm isn't SSS for Arena then no one is.

1.5 a clip Reload. Buffer. A strong B3. All in one package.

[tropic summit]

adds sustain too iirc?