pvp-arena

[tropic summit]

@livid rover #pvp-arena message check CP of this one 🤔

[brazen ledge]

so t1 i do my crown rrh rh alice naga ?

[eager mountain]

replace lowest cp with a battery

[brazen ledge]

lowest is naga

rh is already used somewhere else huh

and same for scarlet which is my 2nd highest

[dim sapphire]

i got scarlet now after a whole year and a month but too many unit to level up xD

[brazen ledge]

best i can do

[eager mountain]

safe even with 15.4%+ deficit but u can get as low as 552k before deficit even hits

[brazen ledge]

if i don't use scarlet or rh

[glad meteor]

It technically may work. But scarlet team will be 2.5

[brazen ledge]

t1 is the noah rapu team right ?

[tropic summit]

they've 3 SGs hitting jackal on p5, wouldn't cindy team be 2.5RL aswell?

[glad meteor]

Could scar blanc rh sanis, and noah biscuiy scarlet

[glad meteor]

Ah yeah

[tropic summit]

or at least i hope

[eager mountain]

ur first img is their cp diff team so i assume thats t1, and the pve + battery is for their t1

[brazen ledge]

ye mb

so i go for this one and which one ?

t3 you said ?

[eager mountain]

t3 would be insanely ez if blanc isnt linked but if u donno then assume shes linked ig

[brazen ledge]

so how do i do that ?

just faster burst, same strat ?

[eager mountain]

did u fought him and did his blanc die

[brazen ledge]

i never fought him

i did but a while ago

[eager mountain]

t1 order would be something like crown/alice/liter/sbs/battery

[brazen ledge]

the other one i did noah scarlet anis noise jackal

for fast fast burst

[eager mountain]

which

[brazen ledge]

3rd

[strange rain]

are these winnable ?

[brazen ledge]

against the blanc team

[eager mountain]

did u win

[brazen ledge]

i didn't try for the moment, do i go for it ?

[eager mountain]

no

just want their link data before u try

[brazen ledge]

or rh instead of noise ?

[brazen ledge]

we wont have that

assume the worst for it

[eager mountain]

is ur rosa built

[brazen ledge]

shes built

[eager mountain]

b1 lv and ol%?

[brazen ledge]

7/10/10, 30% atk, 30% ele

[eager mountain]

yeah just rosa emi that team then

[brazen ledge]

can you be more precise ? like rly im new to pvp

i try to understand it still

[strange rain]

guys could you please take a look if i burst first or have a chance to win these teams above ?

[brazen ledge]

show your other units pls

[strange rain]

these the team im runnning

[eager mountain]

if ignoring t2 then throwing teams at him at this point so noah/bis/emi/rosa/tHelm

[brazen ledge]

i don't have thelm yet

[eager mountain]

ur emi s1 cs ol and b3 is?

[brazen ledge]

lvl 7 b3, has 21% cs

[eager mountain]

replace thelm with any clip rl then

[brazen ledge]

t1 go tia/biscuit/ein/anis/noise
t2 go naga/rh/pepper/drake/rumani ig

atk teams, don't always use but should beat the 2 youre gonna fight

[eager mountain]

typo

[brazen ledge]

i put anis

lets see

[eager mountain]

no 15.4 deficit would do, well would do even with 15.4

and lets cook a random t2

or u can try anyway

[brazen ledge]

im in the fight

t2 worked, t1 no

[eager mountain]

no clip?

[brazen ledge]

centi

too slow

[eager mountain]

video i mean

[brazen ledge]

oh no it doesn't work idk why

crown died too fast

[eager mountain]

but centi should live tho

[brazen ledge]

she did, sbs had time to use burst but died instantly

[eager mountain]

ur t1 doesnt have 552k?

[brazen ledge]

it had

maybe i can try that ?

[eager mountain]

wont work they have rosa u need anne instead

is their blanc linked

[brazen ledge]

with anne im at 546

[keen vapor]

I want to see those lines

[brazen ledge]

she died with emi's burst

[brazen ledge]

47% ele, 12% atk basically, not amazing

[eager mountain]

would be much easier if u cliped that one then i can see tfs going on cuz i dont cook teams much so have to assume a bit unless im using my acc in my sp

[keen vapor]

I said I want to

[brazen ledge]

IK I WOULD LOVE TO DO SO TOO BUT I CANT

[eager mountain]

phone issue

[brazen ledge]

im on pc

[eager mountain]

how cant u on pc

[brazen ledge]

but t2 worked anyways

IDK ITS BUGGED NVIDIA DOESNT WORK

[eager mountain]

it worked but tried to see if it will do with less resources

and idfk how t1 didnt work

worked for me everytime i fight those cp diff teams

[brazen ledge]

546 is too low ?

[eager mountain]

tho u can just anne scarlet it but deflict.... well might do tbh

scarlet anne should still be enough at 546 just that 552 is safe asf

[brazen ledge]

anne scarlet is too much, im at 546 i need to find the last 6k

[eager mountain]

cubes?

[brazen ledge]

jackal and anne have endurance

i can change for higher one

[eager mountain]

551866 is lowest before deficit

[brazen ledge]

i can just put bastion and resilience on them, not optimal but gives enough cp

if i change endurance for that on jackal and anne

[eager mountain]

change it, wont need endur if u can kill cp diff

im just doubting if scar dying twice in a row before killing all of them

[brazen ledge]

just changing for resil on anne give 4k, ill just upgrade gear a bit

[eager mountain]

dont upg yet

[brazen ledge]

552305

if it doesn't work im gonna end it all

[eager mountain]

might do, not sure about this part just

[brazen ledge]

LETS GO FOR IT

YOLOOOOO

come in vc so i can stream

[eager mountain]

[brazen ledge]

you see it ?

@eager mountain

[eager mountain]

ye

[brazen ledge]

ok for teams ?

[eager mountain]

woah scar didn’t die at all

[brazen ledge]

PLSPLSPLS

im a good person

LETS GO

thx

[eager mountain]

no thx didnt cook well couldve done it one try

[brazen ledge]

and after its whale territory

[eager mountain]

my c1-2 are sync 600+ mega premium whales and c3 is a regular whale

[brazen ledge]

1st on my lobby is 458

2.7m...

[eager mountain]

both have 80+ costumes

[brazen ledge]

full f2p here

[eager mountain]

just hit 521, gonna hit c3 in a bit

[brazen ledge]

I see a whale there

[eager mountain]

just enough cp to not hit deficit on 1 team for prev atk used for others, gonna kick his a*s after back to home

[livid rover]

yeah I'll do that later

[tropic summit]

shame on the alice + sbs try tho, indom bugging out was not accounted... plus it's even consistantly gonna be bugged if 2 on 2

with cindy it should be less RNG based

[fathom rock]

@tropic summit spend 100 to strike?

[keen vapor]

The moment you spend you lose

[eager mountain]

it’s a dumb vengeance game

Tho y’all already used all coins, I still have 4 left

[jagged sedge]

For Centi, Jackal, and Anis; should I be using quantum cube or boost cube?

[keen vapor]

Same

[keen vapor]

Quantum unless you reach 17% charge speed

[jagged sedge]

In gear? or combined?

[keen vapor]

What

Combined

[jagged sedge]

Thanks a bunch. That was really good info. No guides had that.

[umbral crown]

Rem was gos tier till Crown released

[tropic summit]

that's the thing tho, you can likely beat em all up, but they're gonna endlessly CP gap you

should rather try to find the few you can def against and leave the others untouched

like the former ch2

[keen vapor]

Lie

[vapid lake]

i'm losing confidence in my ability to judge how tanky my units and my opponent's units are

either my laplace too high dmg killing opponent's p2 too fast or my oppo didnt OL the units he throw into his p2

losing because my team turns into 4rl is embarrassing

its time to go to diamond rank

[keen vapor]

Just stop using Laplace

[median flare]

Looks excusable, but you should've considered elemental advantage as well

as your sync getting higher

[vapid lake]

your momif i stop using laplace i have to use shotguns aint doing that on defense

[vapid lake]

my opponent put biscuit in p2 and noise in p2 and both times they die in 2 rl shots to laplace, 3rd shot no splash become 4rl

uninvested units

theres no way they have OL gear if they are so squishy

[eager mountain]

Yomomma mentioned

[keen vapor]

You used calc already?

[vapid lake]

what calc, i just don't want to use feed on defense

[vapid lake]

i know burst gen calcs exist i just refuse to use feed on defense

[eager mountain]

and yet, a major purpose of la+ is to pressure and kill those squishies

she did her job!

[eager mountain]

technically ar still feeds a bit

[vapid lake]

i only use 1 ar on def and its blanc, i dont want any of my other teams to have shotguns

[eager mountain]

yeah with more batterys out, we have a lot of options to completely avoid sg even in sp now

[median flare]

you should bait them with it.
Oh, looks like they have SG, so I can use Scar-Jack.
Turns out they're fighting Laplace + Noir with high ATK ED lines.

[eager mountain]

tho the one ar almost always used would be scarlet

and blanc still used a lot

[vapid lake]

I knew u will say that because that is not a problem for me

[eager mountain]

ik ur scarless, just general feeder

[vapid lake]

i cannot punish people who carelessly run mg/multiple sg on 1 team in def its annoying

[eager mountain]

u can run jackel indom without scar tho just that scar is best option there

[vapid lake]

i do

[ruby iris]

Bruh afk farming

[vapid lake]

swap places ?

[ruby iris]

[median flare]

you use ein?

[vapid lake]

i change every once in a while to catch opponent offguard

sometimes they just click attack without checking

[eager mountain]

or also everytime losing def

[vapid lake]

yes i like to test if my opponent paying attention

[keen vapor]

Scarletless def

[livid rover]

t1 won but t3 lost 🫠

I changed emi from res to adjutant and I won \

[keen vapor]

Pog

[livid rover]

also a upgrading head gear from 0 to 5

[eager mountain]

emi generally not the one to cp pad cube with

[livid rover]

i will keep camping this guy if I got pushed down the ranked ladder so I don't need to ask again

[eager mountain]

other batteries can use resil equiv when neither quantum adju affects burst time, for burstin emi, adju can almost always matter to a degree

[vapid lake]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1162985219830329374.webp?size=128&animated=true

[glad meteor]

Noah biscuit emi rh scalter maybe more optimised positioning

[eager mountain]

quite a imo thing tho, u could be in a senario where extra flat atk or elem secures the kill but... shes water

i sometimes toss resil on centi to secure scar pick

and noah emi for instance. emi can between invuln and nuke, vigor/temp might secure that but aduj is more general

[umbral crown]

[keen vapor]

Lie

[crystal flicker]

[tropic summit]

what in the world

as long as you made it work though, all good

[livid rover]

I need a new counter guide video. keripo video is 1 year ago

[upper grove]

I wanna try out indom sbs on attack but no idea what's ideal. It's only for rookie atm and I want to try something new besides just scarlet or cindy nuking everyone

[outer pike]

In my defense team, do I slot jackal in p5 too?

I heard other than SR attacking p5 , the rest all p1? So I slot jackal in p1 in def team? and p5 in attack team ?

[upper grove]

Usually you put jackal with scarlet and you want jackal to eat attacks with some of her linked units. As long as that is ensured, she can be either.
It's mainly about the linked unit if they want to burst as in: if you put scarlet + RH in 1 team, they're most likely linked so scarlet has to be further to the left than RH. Otherwise RH bursts B3 and you still want scarlet or RH to eat hits -> scarlet p1 jackal p5 for example

[mighty haven]

Here's your homework @limber patrol

[dim escarp]

time to stop leveling this one (forever)

[upper grove]

3 slots

Or is it 4?

[dim escarp]

4 atm

[mighty haven]

....

6 is 4 slots, 7 for boost

[upper grove]

Now it's vigor or tempering time or just res/bastion ele boosting?

[dim escarp]

tempting to lvl8 for helm treasure but I don't even know if she'll need it

[dim escarp]

na I ll stop focusing pvp cube for a long time I guess lol

I did focus my pvp team for 2-3 month 💀

[mighty haven]

Get Resi/Bast u0

[dim escarp]

yup!

[swift mango]

Actually, the tier list I mentioned was before crown release. Emilia already better than Rem for campaign since then.

Bunny and School Girl were still go-to for Campaign. Rem needed Emi to even function as buffer, LapT didn't even exist. And campaign doesn't need sub dmg B2 healer.

Rem only better than Emi for boss fight, and that fact still stand until now.

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

Actually, Rem is much better to use than before thanks to LapT, Cindy, and XMaiden existing now

Just we have more B2 now.

[umbral crown]

Yeah

[swift mango]

HelmT needs Adjustant cube

[dim escarp]

[swift mango]

I will do Adjustant next month

Then back to lv8-9 quantum

Then I will see what I could do from there. It's already 2 months planning ahead.

[dim escarp]

sheesh gl

[swift mango]

Maybe lv9-10 resilience

[sick notch]

Hey im kinda new to PvP , can someone guide me with what i have

[keen vapor]

That's Kilo 🙂

Those are gacha skins 🫠

||Reroll is so over ||

[quick lake]

There’s Rem too

[bitter cipher]

Kilo in sync is crazy

[upper grove]

Sync is a bit low for that roster

Maybe big cd stash like echo

[bitter cipher]

There is potential for rookie arena tho no? They have pretty decent units

[quick lake]

Not so much of the units, but having Rem means he started at first year

[keen vapor]

💀

[quick lake]

His bracket peeps should be at 440+ i think

So its just completely CP gapped

[bitter cipher]

Then he’s cooked

[keen vapor]

Misinfo one year ago is not the same as launch

But still, 1 year of disadvantage.... Is very bad

[quick lake]

[quartz prawn]

[nocturne arrow]

i have like 60% chance of winning agains him, any idea on how to increase it?

[placid breach]

if helm+ pvp unit what she good in?

[quick lake]

Generally not encouraged to use SG SAnis against Jackal cause of feed

[bitter cipher]

Noise couldn’t tank

[upper grove]

Treasure Helm = highest burst build up with S1 maxed, put her in any team which you want to get to 2RL

[keen vapor]

How do you know the chances

[quick lake]

Helm is a massiv battery, good everywhere

[nocturne arrow]

i tried, lose some, win some

[placid breach]

if just obtain her treasure it good enough right? seeing mats im broke rn t-t

[upper grove]

Treasure is for skill 1 yes, you still want to max it though. Phase 2 is for skill 2, also very good, but more important for pve

[tender valve]

[bitter cipher]

Mkay, my turn(?) I’m at Diamond 3 rn for SArena. Could I perhaps get some help to go higher or am I cooked? (I MIGHT fall asleep after this so pings are welcome)

[quick lake]

Lacking Rumani and Noah hurts burt gen abit. Can consider getting THelm

[umbral belfry]

what do the %s mean in that picture? the speed?

[quick lake]

Yep! The team speed. Similar to the one in the sheet calc

[umbral belfry]

[vapid lake]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1162985219830329374.webp?size=128&animated=true

[quick lake]

It actually means when the burst bar %, at different RL time

[quartz prawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1162985219830329374.webp?size=128&animated=true

[umbral belfry]

[quick lake]

So at 2.5RL for T1, it is 74.55% full, so you cant burst. and thus have to wait till 3RL

[oak gale]

help, right now third team only works , and i tried scarlet against scarlet but it seems like they get their burst first

everyone until noise has overload gear and doll
and all cubes are around lvl 4-3 except resiliance which is at 9

[eager mountain]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1162985219830329374.webp?size=128&animated=true

[crystal flicker]

At your current condition you might having hard time in pvp,
try push campaign to get more resources/hours so you can reach higher sync faster

We can give you suggestion on who's to invest, but I think this not all of your Nikkes yeah?

[eager mountain]

🤔 looks like a post crown acc, so not sync bricked

thinking about it, cs helm actually not bad in pve, easier to auto for triggering last bullet 3 sec buff, mashing is fine but not the premium masher since s2 has a bit of dmg

[crystal flicker]

Well, assume he's started at Re:0 collab, that's only 9 months ago

[eager mountain]

prob not rezero

[crystal flicker]

Sync 225 achievable around ~5 months, so he's only 4 months late

still ~80 sync diff though

[eager mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/nick-young-question-marks-what-excuse-me-huh-gif-19938846

am i blind for missing a rezero banner in his roster?

[crystal flicker]

I'm talkin about Etheriss though

[eager mountain]

ah yes im blind

the way earlier one, hes beyond bricked

[crystal flicker]

They get burst first because you using Liter and Grave (low burst gen)

which one

[eager mountain]

throwing him with the calculator ig
@oak gale https://nikke-deck.web.app/
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11KWYeyvef91A-vfFuqglJJ8-OhR90TcKFVpJ6Ny_5h4/edit?usp=sharing

[eager mountain]

etheriss

[oak gale]

wdym?

[crystal flicker]

that's for tb

[eager mountain]

gb

[crystal flicker]

80 sync still not that bad

he's whale too

[eager mountain]

ye got all the $50 skins

[oak gale]

[eager mountain]

their scar is 2.5 rl cuz ur ar feeds a bit

[crystal flicker]

If you only want to burst first, Scarlet Centi Rumani Noir Jackal will do the job, though idk you deficit with that team
Can replace Centi to Blanc for more dmg

[eager mountain]

1 rock

[oak gale]

ill try when i open thanks

[crystal flicker]

for T2 just make faster team with Cindy

[swift mango]

So should I do left or right?

[crystal flicker]

Left more versatile

[eager mountain]

you will still need her in ch33-34 even if u can s7 kraken

[covert lintel]

[eager mountain]

25ish deficit ez clears 33-34 volleyballs

[swift mango]

Etheriss?

[swift mango]

How?

You mean the volleyball?

[eager mountain]

ye, wind weak volleyballs

distribute dmg goes thru it

[swift mango]

It's like 1 year+ before I get there.

[eager mountain]

pretty much about 1 yr yes

but u s7 kraken already?

if not braindead sbs burst

[swift mango]

I'm doing auto for lv4 daily

[eager mountain]

[swift mango]

Maybe need to build mana for better auto.

[eager mountain]

thats like the most important part of daily farming

[swift mango]

5 minutes gameplay saved everyday.

[eager mountain]

at the cost of rock sanity

[swift mango]

I will able to to auto to stage 6 when I get to 400 easily. No need to pressed for it now.

[eager mountain]

1 rock is 1 rock but yeah

[swift mango]

That's 1% of one rock though

[eager mountain]

forgot howmuch but ig 10-20% of total rock loss

[swift mango]

Nah, not that high. Not like I'm doing stage 1 and quit.

[crystal flicker]

It's still gacha though

[swift mango]

[crystal flicker]

0 x 3 = 0

[swift mango]

Yeah, can't get to the % if you don't get the box in the first face

The real gacha is when you rerolled though. I would waste 10 rock for nothing when some other guys could just one tap.

Same to Treasure upgrade.

One guy on reddit came and complain farming HelmT mats too slow because he used 30 blue and 10 purple to get from SR5 to SR15.

69

[crystal flicker]

Dolls is bricked frfr

[eager mountain]

ah, underestimated, its 75%ish of stage7 income, so 25% loss

[oak gale]

no luck

[crystal flicker]

Do you record it?

T1 need at least 214K to avoid deficit, and T2 need 279K

[sleek ginkgo]

Cinderella burst is rlly random

It can lose fight if Cinderella burst doesn't target the nikke you want first

[eager mountain]

when the lil xtra clip rl cs kicks in

[coarse lake]

If you're relying on Cindy target rng to win, don't, find a better way

Only time where you kinda have to is Cindy into an indom comp, otherwise the answer is usually bursting 1 rl faster

[swift mango]

Better getting 4% more CS for your whole team then

[eager mountain]

and then ur oppo also getting a lil xtra clip rl cs

we call that arms race

[swift mango]

Rinse and repeat until both of you 25%.

[sleek ginkgo]

I think it's bugged, the site says he never burst , I burst in 3 RL
But he still can indom meaning Cinderella misses all her 10 attacks on emiliana

[coarse lake]

Do you have vid

[sleek ginkgo]

I have both winning and losing

[coarse lake]

Give me losing

[eager mountain]

phone cliping phone

[swift mango]

This opponent team can be close to 3rl with enough CS. Even 8% CS on Emi already made it 3.3rl.

I don't even need calculator because it's one of my attacking team.

Calculator actual count it wronged somehow

[coarse lake]

Cindy prob needing both hits to kill someone, giving time for indom

[eager mountain]

why even

[swift mango]

Bruh

[sleek ginkgo]

Oops

Will delete it

After analyzing

[coarse lake]

Yeah your Cindy not strong enough to 1 tap emi, but also not fast enough to bypass indom

[eager mountain]

im on pc i aint fliping my pc gl cookin for him

[swift mango]

Their Blanc basically cause your Cindy. So add 10% CS to your Clip RL or trying another team.

[sleek ginkgo]

I have a 90 % ele DMG on cindy no way I don't os her

[coarse lake]

Actually...

[swift mango]

Like I said, their team is 3.3rl and your team is 3rl.
3.3 RL Blanc will cause 3rl Cindy nuke.

[coarse lake]

Yeah it's just bad Cindy rng there, emi hit was 4th or 5th

Either go to 2rl or run diff counter

[sleek ginkgo]

Yeah, so the site is rlly bugged because it says emiliana team never burst

[swift mango]

No, just need 2.7rl team

[swift mango]

What site(

That team should be at least 4rl in any calculator.

[coarse lake]

Nothing to do with your cs

Just got lucky with who on enemy team had lowest hp when they indom

Go 2rl Cindy to prevent any indom

Deal with t2 with a better team, to free up jackal or something

[swift mango]

You could try 2.5RL Cindy tbh... Much safer.

[coarse lake]

Their rh prob can indom if 2.5, but you might live that

[swift mango]

Just can't.

[sleek ginkgo]

Got it cover with Noah with biscuit

[swift mango]

Unless RH pierce cover 100% of her shot and his Emi has 25% CS from OL like Keripo.

[coarse lake]

Remove noise for more gen

For a clip, you don't need the buff

Or honestly

[swift mango]

Otherwise, that team just can't catch 2.5rl Cindy nuke, at all.

[coarse lake]

Swap t2 and t3

[sleek ginkgo]

I think I will just roll for more cs on Noah with stone

[swift mango]

If that team could catch 2.5 Cindy nuke then my Attack team would have much stronger option by now.

[coarse lake]

If rh was last target they might catch it

[swift mango]

Or just replace Noise with Pepper maybe

[coarse lake]

Significant delay from indom proc to Cindy 10th hit

[sleek ginkgo]

How do you know when a team is 2.5, 2.7, my site only has 2, 3, 4?

[coarse lake]

Little bit cs isn't gonna help

Literally just swap t2 and t3 and you're probably fine

Wasting jackal against such a weak team

[swift mango]

No need CS.

[sleek ginkgo]

It's not drake treasure ?

[sleek ginkgo]

Why swap can increase burst gen ?

[coarse lake]

Their t2 is pathetic, your scar jack outspeeds and out nukes the Blanc team, unless weak

[swift mango]

Thing to note here is that Emilia Regen 1.166 time her normal burst gen because Cindy P3... So they may get to 3.2-3.3rl even without Red Hood piercing cover.

An option to try would be Mover Cindy to p4 and switch Noise out.

[sleek ginkgo]

So on my losing match, both my opponent got rlly lucky and I got unlucky?

[swift mango]

If you go with Noah+Pepper+Anis+Cindy+Drake they you won't need to care about luck .

Or CS

[sleek ginkgo]

I'll do it next time

[coarse lake]

Inb4 cp diff

[swift mango]

Yeah, ScarJack would be feed to 2.5rl or less.

[swift mango]

Rail forget to add Quantum to Emi.

And ofc didn't use Emi 21%

You could see 99.1 % at 4rl. That's easy 4rl team.

[sleek ginkgo]

Learn lots of things thank you all

[tender valve]

good luck

[swift mango]

Do you have the video of the fight? Post it again

We could trace their actual speed with Slomo video.

[sleek ginkgo]

The losing ?

[swift mango]

Yeah

Any

[sinful topaz]

Need special arena team suggestion here, I'm planning to properly build my pvp harem rn

[tropic summit]

is helm treasured?

[sinful topaz]

No, not yet

[swift mango]

They started healing after you entering FB... Should be after you B3 with Cindy.. maybe 3.5rl...

[oak gale]

will try it tonight thanks

[tropic summit]

naga centi cind noir noise
scarlet blanc rh emi jackal
noah biscuit rapu sbs b.soda

cubes:

quantum on jackal, centi
vigor on biscuit, noise, blanc, rapu
temperance on noah
any other nikke run highest lvl available cube

notes: wishlist/build rumani, raise your CP on the nikke marked by X, which are currently on lower end (priority from 1 to 2):
notes2: get helm treasured asap, then build her (s1 priority)

replace any team with auto team if it's way lower in CP than the other, until built

[swift mango]

You didn't one shot Emi and and that's for sure. Biscuit ded due to a crit. No Crit on Emi.

Then Blanc trigger after and heal Emi back

There team is like 3.5rl, not 3.3. You was just unable to one shoot Emi.

[sleek ginkgo]

Emi was already low she didn't get hit,
I think Cinderella hit all on red rapi so she became the new lowest and gaining indom, causing my win this time

[sleek ginkgo]

Will try a 2.5 teams like you said or swapping team 2 and 3

[sinful topaz]

Wow, what a comprehensive one. Tysm, I'm saving it and studying it accordingly

[swift mango]

It really weird me out that Cindy wasn't able to one shot Emi... What's your Cindy Skill level? How is your Level and CP comparing to your enemy?

[sinful topaz]

Sorry what's exactly "RL" in RL burst?

[sleek ginkgo]

My Cindy is a monster, 90% ele , 10/10/10, 20% atk, cp diff 100k,
She just didn't hit emi with her burst at all

[sleek ginkgo]

Rocket launch, you will enter full burst after X RL, the lowest the fastest

[swift mango]

She did. As you could see in the first pic and did around 2-3m...

[sinful topaz]

Ahh, i see

[sleek ginkgo]

Pretty sure that was not her burst but other nikke

[swift mango]

Okay, my bad... She didn't hit Emi. Their team was around 3.3-3.5rl so very close.

I just looked again and it wasn't a 2m hit.

[sleek ginkgo]

7 billion on biscuit ?

Just saw it in first pic

[swift mango]

Millions

Yeah

[sleek ginkgo]

Indeed haha, i'm tired

So Cinderella is inconsistent, I'll change her team for attack

[swift mango]

Yeah, the first hit, hit Biscuit dealing 7m.

Then hit Emi dealing 16m... But it was too late by then

[swift mango]

So 2.5rl Cindy should be fine.

[swift mango]

Yeah, you should go with 2.5-2.7rl Cindy or switch out for some other team.

Their team is 3.3-3.5RL Blanc. So could catch your 3rl Cindy with RNG.

[tropic summit]

i suggest giving this a read, you can get an overall idea of how arena works if you're not familiar especially with the jargon

https://nikke.gg/arena-mechanics/

although, in specific, for RL it's essentially this:

[swift mango]

Note that my images were captured at x0.25 speed... Everything there just happened in an instant. Actually.

So the hitting order was Biscuit> Rapi > Emi > RH...

Blanc trigger right after the first hit...

[swift mango]

The 1st hit One shot Biscuit. 2nd hit move to Rapi here... The same team as Blanc heal. Then the 3rd hit on Blanc.. The 4th hit on Emi and she already ate Blanc buff.

@sleek ginkgo

[sinful topaz]

Thank you, I am currently tryna deepen' my knowledge abt the game mechanics

[swift mango]

Here are Cindy hits cycle back to RH then 4m more on Biscuit who already ded.

Basically, make Cindy 2.5rl and you would be fine.

Blanc totally cause Cindy Ulti after the first dmg instance proved that their team was 3.3rl.

Not faster or slower.

My first comment about that team's speed was right

[sleek ginkgo]

2.5 RL team with cindy , Drop to 800k, 200 k cp diff now, should still os right

[jagged sedge]

Wpuld assault cube be better on Scarlet if the burst starts beforw they reload?

[quick lake]

Assault is hit rate right? HR not relevant in pvp

[eager mountain]

not like that cube is ever relevant, barely adds any

[sinful topaz]

Who will be replaced by rumani & helm later on?

[swift mango]

Nah .. Just use scar+Jackal on that team..

3rl ScarJack would be fed to 2.5rl against that team and win easily.

[swift mango]

Best DPS cube for Grave.

__

Theory craft time...

Assuming Arena is played at 30fps..

Cindy sequence dmg should be 1 frame per hit... Or 10 frames = 0.33second or around 0.25rl...

Considering Blanc could catch a B3 wipe if 0.26rl slower... A 0.5 RL slower Blanc or Noah should be able to catch the last 1 or 3 hit top....

Thanks to playing video at 0.25 speed I now know that Cindy hit one by one. Not 2 waves of 5... Yeah, learn something today.

[quick lake]

Cindy against Blanc seems like a bad RNG matchup in general

[swift mango]

I mean, just 0.6-0.7 RL faster and your cindy should be fine.

[quick lake]

2.5RL Blanc would be unbeatable by Cindy then

[swift mango]

Nah.. if 2rl Cindy has 15% CS it would be 1.7RL Cindy and win just fine.

[quick lake]

Stop coping CS% on Cindy

[swift mango]

I mean the overall CS of other RL, not cindy

[whole shell]

This bytch is nothing but persistent

Ffs

[swift mango]

I actually just roll off 1 CS on my Cindy and replaced with an Ele line...

[tropic summit]

we can promote cindy team to 2RL and reduce feed on other teams (SGs are generally a bad option due to that), aiming for something like this

la+ treasured would be a good addition, but expensive. Getting an xmaiden instead of b.soda reduces SG feed while preserving RL threshold and is more cost effective

[swift mango]

Now Cindy finally pass than my DKW and became my strongest CP Nikke...

[quick lake]

Team wide 15% cs hmmmmm

I guess its possible

[swift mango]

10% should be more than enough

[quick lake]

But everyone (except Cindy) must have at least 10% or more cs

[swift mango]

I mean, the game round down to nearest frame so some 1% CS may change nothing.

So idk

[quick lake]

If we're not relying on Cindy's shot for burst gen, yeah. With >15% cs u should be able to hit 1.7-1.8RL i think

[spiral onyx]

Correct. Cindy, SSakura and Ein are all generally considered "AoE nuke" units but because the damage lands as separate consecutive hits, they will always lose to any "sudden death" matchup

If another true AoE nuker bursts at the exact same time or even a few frames later, that team may win instead

[swift mango]

A few seconds later is much too late. Consider 1rl only around 1.2s. I assume that Cindy would finish her 10 hits in 10 frames or 0.33 second or 0.25-0.3rl.

[quick lake]

For theorycrafting, if we have the set up on the left with all relevant units except Cindy with 17% RL, we should be bursting at 1.66RL . So probably with ~10% CS team wide 1.8-1.9RL should be possible

[spiral onyx]

I typo'd, corrected to "few frames"

[tropic summit]

1.66RL

does that bypass noah/blanc B2?

on 2RL speed

[quick lake]

Based on what Blood said, I think it should? idk havent tested before

[tropic summit]

that'd be the true unblockable 2RL

(unless mirror)

[quick lake]

You are as fast as ur slowest RL unit. So as long a 1 unit doesnt have CS%, u cant burst at 1.66RL

[tropic summit]

that's fine, let's assume you can hit 1.66RL

just curious if it would bypass

it would make 2RL noah weaker if anything, as you still catch part of cindy buffed nuke

[quick lake]

1.66RL Cindy vs 2.5RL Blanc?

[swift mango]

2.5 RL Blanc/Noah... Not 2rl Blanc/Noah.

[tropic summit]

oh alright phew

else i had to review my def

[mighty haven]

@limber patrol we blocking Wafuri from holding C3-C6

[midnight spire]

help me build 3 team for arena

[swift mango]

I think I finally get the realm of @cedar orbit . Thank you for all the slomo explaination.

[brazen ledge]

is there a number of ammo scarlet needs to have with her ol lines ?

to proc her passive a certain number of times for example

[swift mango]

Well, either no Ammo so she trigger target skip on reload or very high ammo so she would never reload I guess... There was a guide somewhere about her Ammo % but Idk where I saw it, nor remember the exacted %...

[brazen ledge]

i think i have a lot of ammo on her, but dunno if its enough or not

lemme check that, 1sec

[swift mango]

You should be fine so long as she doesn't reload at the very end of Blanc 10 seconds buff .. Because that could cause you to lose a Blanc vs Blanc fight...

[brazen ledge]

PvP is harder than I expected it to be, it’s interesting

Im at 161,59% max ammo on her ol lines

I have 60% ele and 20% atk

[quick lake]

Looks good enough

[crystal flicker]

Seems like I missing the good part lol

[modest summit]

Question about season end, the gems you get as a reward is it based off your battle ranking or your chips point ranking in SP arena ?

[crystal flicker]

Chips

[modest summit]

Wowza alright, thank you 🙂

What do I do about a guy stalking me? Like I beat ppl, get up to challenger whatever, hold every Defense, but then this one guy from like diamond 4 crafts his team to take mine out and then I’m back to diamond 2-3 or whatever. Then he loses his Defense to others and goes back down, rinse and repeat every day

[crystal flicker]

Make better defense

[modest summit]

I did and held him off then he doesn’t attack anyone else, crafts his team to beat my new one and rinse and repeat

And I can’t atk him because he waits for me to attack in the 24hours 😂

[crystal flicker]

If someone can break through (assume no cp pad) then there's an issue with your defense

[sinful topaz]

Thank you for the insights dude

[glass thorn]

Hey I'm looking to build some pvp teams teams, can I make anything out of these

[tropic summit]

you're quite welcome, good hunting

[tropic summit]

naga rumani cind anis dkw
scarlet xmaiden blanc rh jackal
auto team (p1 def + biscuit)

cubes (when available)

quantum on anis, rumani, jackal
vigor on blanc

wishlist/build: wishlist centi, build up blanc asap, as you'll need her for both pve and pvp, wishlist noah, work toward getting helm treasured

get your teams reviewed once blanc is more invested and you've found noah or centi
T3 throw a p1 defender (highest CP available is fine) and biscuit on p3 or p4, rest just auto whatever is left on high CP

[tropic summit]

bay pepper privaty anis noir
naga centi bsoda liter drake
jackal bay rrh rumani moran

wishlist/build asap: noah, rapunzel, cinderella, SBS, scarlet, noise, biscuit, grave, blanc

get your teams reviewed once found any of the above

[crystal flicker]

For some reason I decide to take higher Resil cube instead of burst gen or cs cubes

[tropic summit]

not a bad decision considering PvE is more important than PvP 🤔

[crystal flicker]

Also, how "durable" is Moran if I were to use her as single tank in P1?

I'm considering to build her and Noise for P3

[tropic summit]

i'll quote a Merry line:

"she's as good as she's able to tank a scarlet nuke"

since then i realized the investiment i'd need on my moran wasn't worth it yet and has been benched since

[crystal flicker]

[tropic summit]

although Kara runs a very good moran + bay lineup, they can survive cinderella for example

and ofc can survive a scarlet as long as bay has cover pre scarlet B3

which is kinda interesting to consider 🤔

[glass thorn]

thanks so much!

[crystal flicker]

It seems like K run Moran with Bay and Bis

[tropic summit]

yeah can probably find a vid he uploaded a few days ago against a cindy nuke

[tropic summit]

#pvp-arena message

there was one where he survived it although it's probably even older in the chat history

[quick lake]

Moran + Bay is the only way to tank cindy

And Moran can be monstrous P1 defender

Even then, Moran Bay still tough as ur B3 is not buffed. Hard to take down enemy as well

[tropic summit]

it's either s.anis or sbs B3 i suppose

[quick lake]

If opponent runs Noise eg Noise Cindy, SBS/SAnis also might not consistently win as well

[quick lake]

Does this only work with Jackal? From my testing Cindy destroy when Bay is alone

[tropic summit]

oh yeah this one is a good showcase

[quick lake]

Opponent might be pretty weak if 4RL including Emilia cant destroy cover

[crystal flicker]

I'm looking for a team to deal with Noah Noise Cindy Biscuit

I'll consider Bay & Moran

[quick lake]

Moran Bay also cant consistently get past Biscuit as well

Too much invuln + shield

[crystal flicker]

yeah

Might need Rapu

[prime stag]

Hi, I need a team for sp arena. Any recommendation??

[crystal flicker]

I mean if CA is truly coming (doubt), we need to build them regardless

[tropic summit]

post your box with nikke ordered by strength, so we can tell investiment to arrange them

[prime stag]

Sure, I have all of them

[tropic summit]

what do you mean doubt it's coming at the end of this month, surely

[strange linden]

So treasure Helm is as broken as we thought at the start?

[prime stag]

My biscuit, Noah and Rapunzel is full OL btw

[tropic summit]

it's the best battery in the current game version

[quick lake]

THelm broken she's even good in PvE

[strange linden]

nice her damage is good as well right?
I only need one phase until the treasure

[tropic summit]

is laplace treasured btw?

[quick lake]

Above average dmg definitely

[prime stag]

Yep, 3 stars too

She's full OL too

Idk why I'm building her

[tropic summit]

well, for pvp purposes you did good building her

being iron + splasher is great to get rid of elec nikke, which just happen to be the majority of the meta pvp nikke

[crystal flicker]

[prime stag]

That's true, ig she's not really useless

I'm trying to get back to challenger, it should be easy but rank 1-2 is impossible on my server

My current sp arena team is so outdated

[quick lake]

Yeah, she's still really nice in pvp nonetheless

[tropic summit]

naga centi cind emi noise
scarlet blanc rh xmaiden jackal
noah biscuit rapu s.anis la+

cubes:

quantum on jackal, centi
vigor on noise, biscuit, rapu, blanc
resil on s.anis
temperance on noah
anyone else run highest lvl cube available

wishlist/build: wishlist rumani, get helm treasured

if rumani is built, can remove naga from T1 to decrease feed
if helmT built, can upgrade T1 to 2RL

[prime stag]

Thank you for the team, fully noted

For rumani, I can actually MLB her, I'll try to build later.

For helm she's at level 11 so far, my luck on swiping the doll is horrible

[tropic summit]

oh yes with helm take ur time, mine is also coming in probably 2 months...

[lunar dirge]

looks 4rl if 5th one is rapunzel,you can scarjack it,if 3rl,try blanc emi rh biscu centi

[tropic summit]

as for when you've rumani ready, you can turn T1 into this @prime stag

[prime stag]

Interesting

[tropic summit]

finally with helmT becomes this:

you can then use emi on scarlet team instead for better splash dmg (instead of xmaiden)

[crystal flicker]

2RL Cindy vs 1.5RL ScarJack

[prime stag]

When I said horrible, I mean it

[quick lake]

How does one even get 1.5RL scarjack

[quick lake]

omfg

[lunar dirge]

mana+rosa shenanigoons?

[tropic summit]

at some point, luck will balance, and you'll get from SR5 to SR15 in a few blue dolls surely

[quick lake]

I guess so. Sounds sussy

May RNG bless you

[prime stag]

It has already happened, my early luck on dolls was so lucky since I got a SR15 Laplace and SR15 Alice with few blue only. Karma ig

[tropic summit]

oh ok, at least that happened

yep just karma catching up

[crystal flicker]

At least you have Helm

[prime stag]

Still painful tho, hopefully it won't happen again. Spending tons of kit for Xmaiden is not really worth it

[prime stag]

[quick lake]

xMaiden was worth it

[crystal flicker]

Mixed feeling though

I might able to slot her with SAnis if I pulled her, but I don't

[prime stag]

Not for me, I'd rather use it for favorite nikke tbh

[prime stag]

you can buy her at the shop, but it's not worth it too

[bitter cipher]

Mkay, I read a bit down as well to see what y’all were talking about too. I do have Noah (she’s in the first picture on the middle left), but I don’t have Rumani yet. I also have enough spare bodies for Helm and more than enough bond tickets to boost her to bond 30, but I don’t have the mats for the doll (she’s has an R doll at phase 0 cause I just put it on her yesterday; she’s completely unbuilt). Also, I ain’t even close to getting Laplace treasure (C0, no spare bodies) (I just woke up so my brain is all bleh rn, but thank you for the help)

[crystal flicker]

I really need SR fr

My battery still only using R15 or SR5

[quick lake]

Ooos my bad. Missed the Noah. Can do T2 and T3 as such

[tender valve]

It could be, we also need to update Cindy here.

[quick lake]

Havent really tested/figured out Jackal + Bay interactions

Maybe nothing special probably

[dim escarp]

no way

[prime stag]

Yea, it is what it is

[dim escarp]

I think I've never been above lvl 12 until succes for SR doll

[prime stag]

Should've used a gold kit after reaching lvl 14, but I'm being greedy there

Just unlucky

[dim escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/pikachu-sadness-pet-head-caterpie-sad-gif-16792400

[prime stag]

[eternal finch]

Any recs vs these teams? Ignore T1. I was moving stuff around.

T2 is losing on a coin toss. T3 always wins.

[quick lake]

For Team 2, both teams are 3RL. So u're praying that scarlet RNG bumps u to 2.5RL which is a flip

[glad meteor]

Their t1 looks free to emi nuke

Though there 2-2.5rl

[quick lake]

For Team 2, can swap xMaiden to ur highest CP unit (like SBS, or Modernia etc) and burst at 4RL+

[mighty haven]

Best girl

[midnight spire]

ty

[swift mango]

Well, Cindy should also a full block at least according to some recent video on this chat.

[mighty haven]

[swift mango]

Ofc timing with Bay is even harder than timing with Blanc...

[swift mango]

I say he doesn't have enough fire power.

[swift mango]

If same speed, Scarlet often win the Blanc Duel...

~~Unless she reload right before Blanc buff ends ofc ~~

[swift mango]

Could replace XMaiden with crown to make sure you are slower. Slower Blanc wins.

[mighty haven]

Absolute madman hit 321

[swift mango]

Eh you are neck and neck on level there... I though he would be more whaling lol...

[mighty haven]

The whale is the CP gap team of 550k, I can't even reach deficit with strongest team

[swift mango]

I remember you started at the end of Emilia banner, right? So you have Emi, right?

[mighty haven]

After Crown, start of Trony, so no

[swift mango]

Oh

No Emi bracket.

[mighty haven]

No Emi/Built Rosies to worry about

Also no XAnne

Yet to see XMica in bracket

[swift mango]

No one has Anne counting the start of last year haha.

[mighty haven]

Everyone praying for XAnne

[swift mango]

You won't, ever.

Like Keripo said, there maybe 5 people around who built her lol

[mighty haven]

Wait till CA

[swift mango]

@keen vapor go build your MLB Xmica to 101010 sr15, be the 6th person around with her built.

[keen vapor]

I can't even built Helm treasure

[umbral crown]

Imagine being he 6th

[mighty haven]

My alts got Helm T2/T1

My main has her stuck at R10 fuuu

[swift mango]

When skill reset come my Helm will also max along side Treasure. So she can stay sr10 for now.

[umbral crown]

Max your mica

[swift mango]

I only have SR Mica.

[umbral crown]

Why

[tropic summit]

mine is coming... eventually

[swift mango]

Didn't have much luck and needed to save for Collab.

[umbral crown]

2027

[tropic summit]

i hate how that's a possibility

[umbral crown]

Imagine saving for collab

[swift mango]

Well, I play this game mainly for Collab.

[umbral crown]

Undestandable

I spent a lot on eva collab to end up not using any of the units

[swift mango]

1 copy of XMaiden cost me 110 pulls and 200 tickets. That was everything I could spare for Winter.

[umbral crown]

what a waste of gems

[swift mango]

I will build my MLB Rei.A, like it or not. Only a matter when.

[umbral crown]

Eva 2.0

[swift mango]

Maybe after Mana and HelmT built...

Eva2.0 character gonna be 99% benched.

Still pull for them anyway.

It has been peaceful today, no one is hitting me.

Gonna hit C1 for fun before I log out for the day.

I don't even know if my new def would work because no one hitting me.

[umbral crown]

If pvp

[quick lake]

pvp slaves

[umbral crown]

Asuka took 120 pulls for 1 copy to just be 1/1/1 0 OL

I better save for pvp units

[swift mango]

If you do not dislike EVA, maybe get new Rei.A so you have one each of the trio.

[umbral crown]

I missed rei last collab

Maybe rei will be pvp this time

[quick lake]

[umbral crown]

Its a sigm

[mighty haven]

Rei A is a nuke, just very underutilised/better options

[swift mango]

I built Bay, Moran and Noise just so they are all benched from my DEF teams now... Won't be bad to build ReiA and Elegg

Btw, Should I fish 4th ele line for my SBS?

[keen vapor]

Elegg?

[swift mango]

[keen vapor]

Poli does better

[swift mango]

Unlike you who don't want to built your XMica. I will build my Elegg after HelmT, Mana and Rei.A.

[keen vapor]

Poli does better

[swift mango]

You build her then

[keen vapor]

For a feeding B2 defender Crown has always work

[swift mango]

Now you are running away again.

[keen vapor]

<@&946725432554836008>

Wth is steamu

[white zephyr]

is there a best team comps for special arena?

[swift mango]

Best team is a team that CP gap the rest of your bracket by 40%+.

[white zephyr]

no shit

[keen vapor]

Only whales are invincible
Not us

[swift mango]

Well, optimally you will need to have CP close to your campaign team and 2-3RL hard to beat comps.

It's a stall order ofc... My campaign team is 570k and I would be hard pressed to make 3 good enough 500k teams.

So in the end, lv60 p2 is the way.

If I can't CP gap them, I would need to Burst gen gap them instead.

[untold cape]

need help for atack and def team pls

[swift mango]

I just realized Alice and DKW can pierce cover just like RH to double their burst gen

My DKW just get a bit better for Arena then.

[tropic summit]

rookie or SPA? for rookie you can alternate on defense these three (just change 1 for the other if def fails)

they can also work for attack, in particular you'll want scar-jack for any team that has SGs/MGs

[coarse lake]

you running 4rl dkw comp?

oh god, don't tell me you're gonna roll for cs lines on dkw

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

oi, don't give him funny ideas, he's already throwing enough rocks as is on his CS%

[swift mango]

Don't ruin my copium man.

[swift mango]

This is going to be hard... HelmT will replace any DKW spot in my Arena teams soon...

My DKW has 1CS line that I rolled for long ago because people recommend her to have at least 1CS line.

She is having 12 lines too for CP padding.... Reroll her would be a pain.

[coarse lake]

[covert lintel]

dkw and rouge 2cs line rec

[swift mango]

I don't think I ever had a problem of her CDR not trigger fast enough. Not with her having 20+ Ammo.

[tender valve]

https://tenor.com/view/faker-shut-up-sht-finger-worlds-gif-15277355

[swift mango]

I think the +75lv whale could have a discord account and saw my teams that beat him... He leveled up twice and swap Rouge with Red Hood... Just enough to normal attack my Moran and Cindy...

Gonna beat him again when I get to 341 then... That's when his 2nd strongest team won't be able to gap me by 25% anymore.

[eager mountain]

true, and mines lv7 already

[mild moat]

any good new rookie all rounder attack teams? i don't really want to try and switch to best opponents

[tropic summit]

depends on what you've, the common mostly used all rounders, rotate them each day to see which works best in your bracket

[eager mountain]

[grand plaza]

Why Alice has less* than normal burst gen?

[eager mountain]

gotta like the braindead rookie stall

[eager mountain]

thats pve, cuz of pierce spam

[grand plaza]

I am looking at list from the pins, which is pvp burst generation

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11KWYeyvef91A-vfFuqglJJ8-OhR90TcKFVpJ6Ny_5h4/edit?gid=136921467#gid=136921467

[eager mountain]

what u meant then about alice burst gen

[grand plaza]

I fixed the question, I meant why she has less than usual SR burst generation

[eager mountain]

alice charge time is 1.5 sec unlike most others

[grand plaza]

Hmm ok makes sense

[jagged sedge]

Would full item Helm be good at pvp? The healing and possible insta kill seems like it would be a beast

[tropic summit]

wow that mirror tho

[tropic summit]

helmT can be both jackal link killer / dmg share counter and single target 1hitko, although she's mostly used for her battery potential, being the best at moment

lifesteal can be an added bonus on a team that can maximize on it (stall teams), but i lack self testing on that front 🤔

[jagged sedge]

Yea I have her at skill 2 and only have about 40/100 for her burst

maybe next week?

[eager mountain]

ye gonna test that on rookie once i get it

[fathom rock]

@tropic summit daily report
Damn he cracked it

[oak gale]

master @tropic summit

[fathom rock]

HELL NO I JAVE TO BLANC INDOM AGAIN

[eager mountain]

4 in a roll

[oak gale]

my man was collectively sent to the shadow realm by the council

[fathom rock]

Thats just a normal sunday

[tropic summit]

issue with retro is that nearly everyone in that bracket CP pads so hard it's insane

he could build really good meta teams, but then they come in with their 15%+ deficit teams and makes it meaningless

[oak gale]

[tropic summit]

@fathom rock although if we're to learn from yesterday, running a cindy team with biscuit might give you some increased odds at stealing some def wins

[fathom rock]

Copy that 2nd place but with maid priv

[tropic summit]

the other two should be fairly high CP teams with ideally indom and jackal 🤔

[tropic summit]

ye that's also an option, pmaid on double buff can still wipe

[eager mountain]

yeah thats a bit bricked

[oak gale]

hilp

[fathom rock]

[tropic summit]

the only downside of that is that you're weak on 2 teams to scarlet, but let's just hope opponents are running CP padding brainlessly

it's worth a shot at least to test the waters

[oak gale]

[tropic summit]

oh ye ensure pmaid has less max HP than laplace, but probably does

[fathom rock]

Yup she does

If it fails ill try swapping pmaid with sanis

~~Now lemme recreate that miracle from yesterday ti hit ch8 ~~

[hidden wind]

I'm up against a Noah-Noise-SBS-Biscuit-Rapunzel team. How do I beat that?

[eager mountain]

t2: 3rl noah, t3: 2rl cindy, t1: mirror a 0.5 rl slower indom

[fathom rock]

Noah/biscuit/sanis/rapunzel/noise easy win
Can also go blanc/emilia/rh/biscuit/centi

Biscuit comps make easy work of sbs

lets try this

[oak gale]

wdym?

[limber rampart]

this guy so strong that he made 2.5rl for the t1
i try to make 2rl team but so hard to build a 3rl team then🥹finally i build a 3rl on t3 but i lose too much cp 💦maybe my team be wiped all before do anything because he got ein & redhood on t3
need some advices

[eager mountain]

build ur team based on that, and check ur rl, their t1 has jackel so their rl is dependent on ur feed, its 3.55% per 10 bullets

[hidden wind]

First one lost, but second one worked! thank you!

[eager mountain]

or u can still wait for @tropic summit ig
i cooked once yesterday and used up all my cook energy for this month

[oak gale]

it happens its fine

[eager mountain]

that was ur team from yesterday right

[oak gale]

nope
put cindy against cindy team , and replaced grave with blanc

[fathom rock]

Back in full swing

[oak gale]

im cooked

[eager mountain]

thats not what i meant but use rl calculator for that, i can elaborate on jackel feed a bit if u building for t1

https://nikke-deck.web.app/

[oak gale]

sure elaborate about it 💀 bc i kinda have no idea what even is going on in pvp

[eager mountain]

https://nikke.gg/arena-mechanics/

did they just automatically named it feb 2025 despite its not patched today

[oak gale]

seems like it

[eager mountain]

its patched a week ago, tho nothing specific about the machanics being any new

basically u wanna focus on the burst gen part, rl is pvp meta and we calculate team's burst speed using rl shots as a standards, so 3rl is a team that bursts after landing 3rd rl shot per nik

[fathom rock]

Why not Scar/blanc/boda/liter/jackal vs t2?
Check that scar has less hp than boda first

[oak gale]

i could try and show ya

[fathom rock]

Check hp first, scar needs to have loeer hp than jackal and boda

If she doesnt tell me

[oak gale]

i wish i could read

[fathom rock]

Send the other 2 i can read this

1533914

[oak gale]

bsoda

jackal

[fathom rock]

Boda would steal indom

[eager mountain]

tbh most boda wont have more hp then most scar

[fathom rock]

What about noir, same?

[oak gale]

is it by alot , bc i could level up bsoda's head piece or smthn

[tropic summit]

give vigor to bsoda, scarlet also does self-harm to herself, that's the best you can do to attempt fixing it

[oak gale]

nah , she aint even ol

[fathom rock]

Then noir is no ol

Ill try to find a solution thats not the cope strat rail said

[tropic summit]

yeah would be for the best

unless you've no other card to play

[oak gale]

with vigor

[fathom rock]

@oak gale if scar/blanc/liter/rumani/jackal how much cp?

[oak gale]

246k

[tropic summit]

need your box and we can arrange something perhaps, can you post it?

[unique timber]

This the right channel for putting arena teams together or is that just team building?

[tropic summit]

yeah it is

[limber rampart]

Here we go

[tropic summit]

taking a look

[unique timber]

Here's some of my strongest, I also just pulled first jackal yesterday.

[umbral crown]

[wild hemlock]

Bump if anyone could help me out with a SP Defense team

[tropic summit]

can you put your teams (left) against enemy (right) and show CP?

[fathom rock]

Dead af

[oak gale]

no hope?

[fathom rock]

What if you swap liter for cindy
How much cp

[wicked burrow]

can I win him? I used to but yesterday I lost probably attacking like this

[fathom rock]

T1 died?

[wicked burrow]

yesterday died all 3 but I dont remember if I used the same teams

maybe I went with 1 and 3 swapped

[oak gale]

cindrella?

[fathom rock]

Did t3 lose or no

[fathom rock]

Yup, here is hoping thats over 280k (90% cope)

[wicked burrow]

dont remember sorry

also I was 276 lvl

later went to 281

so maybe I will just over-stat him now

[fathom rock]

Well that sanis comp beats t2 effortlessly if you swap order to jackal/biscuit/sanis/naga/xmaid

Im rying to figure out t3

[wicked burrow]

good

[umbral crown]

@keen vapor

[oak gale]

team 3 currently wins so i never touched it , as for the team here ya go

[fathom rock]

Thats not 3rl tho

[oak gale]

wait what is alice doing here 💀

[tropic summit]

15,4% cp deficit in favour against T1, can you boost any gear from SBS/Alice/blanc/liter?

(would be nice getting 15,5% or higher just to ensure you gain the benefit)

[fathom rock]

Rumani, how much cp ?

[oak gale]

270

[fathom rock]

[oak gale]

[fathom rock]

What about boda?
Compare boda atk stat with ol vs cindy pls

Since ik your boda be missing ol but im still coping

[oak gale]

cindrella

bsoda

[fathom rock]

Atk ol?

[oak gale]

?wdym

[fathom rock]

How much atk % ol on both

[wicked burrow]

well I tried and failed

[fathom rock]

Can you send your unit list?

[oak gale]

cindy

[wicked burrow]

maybe this guy is easier to win but not sure

[oak gale]

bsdoa

[fathom rock]

Just jackal on p1 and cp pad rest

[oak gale]

i have 7 cyrstals so i can try rolling

[limber rampart]

how can u calculate it?

[wicked burrow]

so anis team against 1st team and sbs noah against 2nd?

[fathom rock]

30.5 on cindy vs 21.51 on boda lemme do math

[fathom rock]

Nah t3 will die

How much can you pad vs t2?

[wicked burrow]

nah I mean I ignore t3 and fight 1 and 2

you think they will lose?

60k is acceptable no?

[fathom rock]

You lose that

You want biscuit here

[tropic summit]

xmaiden viper rosanna
noah viper biscuit cind noise
liter pmaid rh anis moran

wishlist/build: jackal, rapunzel, scarlet, blanc, centi

get teams reviewed once you find those above

[tropic summit]

lowest CP x 100 divided by the higher CP then substract 100 and you find the percent

in your case

(138k x 100) / 163k = 84,6% = 100 - 84,6 = 15,4%

[fathom rock]

@oak gale cindy 63631.8
Boda 63537.56
And scar has 1 atk line right?

[wicked burrow]

so I remake teams completely? kinda getting confused

[fathom rock]

Sbs/liter/boda/noah/noise vs t1
Jackal/biscuit/sanis/naga/xmaid vs t2

[eager mountain]

i tend to just calculate lowest deficit cp with higher cp*0.846

[fathom rock]

[wicked burrow]

okay gonna try thanks

[tropic summit]

that's an option, just habit on my side

[wicked burrow]

🛐

[fathom rock]

Please do us a favor and calculate the small numbers too cuz 15.4 is risky af

[eager mountain]

round up a bit and its good

[wicked burrow]

but he can probably fight back and it will be bad since I wont have any free attempts left, but we will see

[keen vapor]

Be sure that both Scarlets are linked

[oak gale]

scarlet's relics

[fathom rock]

@oak gale does your scarlet have 1 atk line on ol?

[oak gale]

i mean ye i think?

[fathom rock]

What cube was on boda btw?

[wicked burrow]

yesterday I tried to cook my def teams, they're all 3RL based on calc, so should be fine

[limber rampart]

hmm im gonna raise it to 15,48% will it make any change?

[oak gale]

rn vigor , but i had hit rat one

[tropic summit]

yep hence why i asked if he can drop some gear upgrades

[unique timber]

Are these for SP arena or normal setup options? (Viper is in there twice)

[tropic summit]

15,5% is a safer choice

due to funny roundings

the reason we aiming for that is because you'd have a 15% stat boost compared to opponent

which only begins at deficit

[fathom rock]

What lvl is quantum, is it below vigor?

[wild hemlock]

ty ty

[wicked burrow]

how would you rate those anyway?

[oak gale]

all are 4 except resiliance at 9

[tropic summit]

ah yes apologies, forgot a copy paste, here you go:

these are SP arena teams

[wild hemlock]

You put down Helm Treasure in team 1 and team 2

[fathom rock]

Ok give jackal and boda quantum, give cindy your absolute highest lv cube, show cp for scar/blanc/cindy/boda/jackal

[keen vapor]

Fu-

[unique timber]

Thanks, I'll get em setup

[keen vapor]

Ok, wait a little longer

[oak gale]

u sure cindy with resiliance and not vigor?

[fathom rock]

10000%

The lvl diff is massive

Same for scar she get resil too

[oak gale]

AAAAAAA

[fathom rock]

Cp for the whole team, the atk is good we checked that

[oak gale]

jackal

soda

cindy

[unique timber]

Should I do anything different for rookie arena or just go with team 1?

[limber rampart]

bro u can only attach 3 per time

[oak gale]

scarlet m blanc

[oak gale]

i did attack 4 before

[fathom rock]

Doable now hit t2, same exact order of scar/blanc/cindy/boda/jackal and record the fight

[fathom rock]

Yup its up to 4

[tropic summit]

for rookie you can take the best units of each of the 3 teams and just merge them:

[oak gale]

lemme show u the lineups before i launch it hold on

[fathom rock]

Funny enough you actually risk blanc dying more

@tropic summit does cindy being p2 affect enemy regen much?

[tropic summit]

p1 is 1.75x, p2 is 1.25x, on most use cases it's barely making a difference, unless they're borderline to the next threshold

[eager mountain]

p2 cindy mega feed

[fathom rock]

Yeah we pray your blanc lasts

[tropic summit]

although cindy on p2 is especially abusable from emilia, keep that in mind

[fathom rock]

[fathom rock]

Attack enemy t2
The one with tia

And record it all

[oak gale]

cant record bc potato laptop 💀

im tyyping in like 3 fps

[eager mountain]

wut laptop

[oak gale]

dell inspiron 💀 back when windows 7 was peak old days

[eager mountain]

did blanc die

[oak gale]

@fathom rock also , what characters should i level up currently or focus on , since i just finished oling noise today

[fathom rock]

Sbs

[oak gale]

well about that

[oak gale]

definition of copium

[eager mountain]

u done with normal campaign?

[fathom rock]

No sane lv254 has finished ch34

[oak gale]

i have last 5 chapters left

[eager mountain]

then focus on ur campaign teams first

[fathom rock]

Scarlet black shadow

She seems quite low in terms of cp

[oak gale]

i cant do much in campaign besides waiting to level up , same with tirbal towers , im already top 1 on them on my leaderboards

so the only thing to focus on rn is just raids and pvp

[fathom rock]

Lv254 should be in ch32

Anyway ill go eep

[oak gale]

mostly bc beside phantom , no one in the team is ol

[eager mountain]

well ye, cp pad crown and maybe, getting good lines on rapi sbs rh alice and maybe mod/asuka, thats pretty much it

tho trying mix max sbs a bit would give a rock advantage pushing kraken s6/7 asap

[oak gale]

rn my lineup is
liter , grave , quency escape , cindrella , phantom
or
liter grave , summer anis , cindrella , scarlet