pvp-arena

[umbral belfry]

ty ty!

i'll give that team a try and hope for the best

[glad meteor]

Some people use noise rumani sbs bay biscuit

Rumani taunt and biscuit defender

[umbral belfry]

if this team fails i'll look into those bc i have them all

but you basically wanna use cindy + noise together right?

[fathom rock]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1332822980345991300/1332842262002012160/video-output-2C83CC01-98B8-476A-A995-B87487FA2D59.mov?ex=679b56d6&is=679a0556&hm=85a61b3941b0e89b36afa5fce8147a57b87ba5a6ac356bf977011b9a5056a5c7&

[glad meteor]

Noise cindy is synergistic. But she’s not a must i’d say. But team building is easier with her. Cindy being a defender tank, that noise buff is stronk

[fathom rock]

Scarlet/laplace/centi/xmaid/jackal
Noah/biscuit/sanis/rapunzel/noise
Emilia/blanc/redhood/rumani/noir
Try that first

I'm surprised how you holding up when lv 301 and emilia

[coarse lake]

you just have to outspeed the bay

be 1 rl faster than them

[subtle pilot]

Surprised that I'm holding up because I'm level 301 and emilia or surprised I'm not holding up? Also thank you so much will try!

[keen vapor]

Where are you holding up?

[keen vapor]

my cook not good enough, I know it

[kindred tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/balançando-cabeça-negação-não-gif-17196864744151477201

[subtle pilot]

Ah so sorry didn't see your reply! Thank you as well!

Now I don't know which one I'm spoiled for choice. Will try them both out

[knotty fern]

bro in my server

bracket

[fathom rock]

Well It ain't my vid lmaooo

[keen vapor]

But which rank are you?

[subtle pilot]

Challenger 3/4

[keen vapor]

That's surprising yes....

You started right at the end of Re Zero Collab?

[subtle pilot]

I did indeed

Why do you ask? Comparing my bracket to my partners bracket who started at the same time my bracket is so chill

[keen vapor]

You seemed underleveled
But ig we (Retro and I) calculated your starting time wrong

[subtle pilot]

To be fair it wasnt for a while(I think maybe around crown) that I realised I could buy the event story tickets for more red boxes

[keen vapor]

Yeah, we all notice quite late

[subtle pilot]

But I really don't wanna spend on just leveling, pulls are atleast something

[shell hazel]

that is one thing that people here said to do, I think as a result I didn't miss buying extra tries on any event yet 😄

the extra tries to core dust ratio is really good for the gem cost

I guess even the gems I get in from arena cover that kind of thing, but likewise I mostly spend for pulls (and some of the skins)

[keen vapor]

Gem cost is really cheap

[shell hazel]

I'm also wiping out twice per day (50 gems) and re-rolling the bulletin assignments a max of one time per day as well (also 50 gems)

wiping out isn't great value but I just want to level a bit quicker and keep ahead a bit on my pvp bracket

[subtle pilot]

Gem cost of what?

[keen vapor]

Event stamina

[shell hazel]

the extra tries in event shop

[subtle pilot]

Oh yeah I do that every single event now

But no other spending on leveling

[keen vapor]

Yeah, that's good

[shell hazel]

re-rolling the bulletins does seem kind of worth it so far, especially for extra chance at dolls materials

and sometimes you get rebates if something rolls to gems 😄

i'm at 100 pulls now I'm just keeping for eva collab, wonder if they'll do any pvp focus units

[subtle pilot]

My moran is low investment (no overclocked gear and only 4/4/4) should I still run her?

[keen vapor]

Skills are fine, but you should try to overload her before trying

[keen vapor]

Btw, why is Poli so high

[subtle pilot]

Ok so run with retros until Moran has full overload?

[subtle pilot]

Lmao during a longtime where I wasnt getting attacked I was just overloading/leveling up the gear of my current teams and that included poli lol

[keen vapor]

Yeah 👍

[keen vapor]

I see

[eager mountain]

was that ai/bot or mod

[keen vapor]

?

[eager mountain]

ad deleted

[keen vapor]

Good

Hero is back at business @tropic summit

So
At this moment
Everyone can beat everyone but me

I can't beat Tsubasa-san

From C3-C6

This bracket is funny

[limber patrol]

lol

[keen vapor]

I'm the weakest of them all

I'm not beautiful

[limber patrol]

bruh

[main trail]

does treasure helm require s2 levels or only s1 level 10

[vapid lake]

[keen vapor]

Required? Skill 1
Extra benefit? Skill 2

[main trail]

and phase 2 fav item right

does s2 levels increase burst gen or is it just for more damage

[kindred tinsel]

display manu gear itll show more gear

[keen vapor]

More damage

Which translates to best PVP unit

[vapid lake]

Thats how u brick ur account

[keen vapor]

I just realized Im 3 levels off from 11k core dust

I'm brick!

[vapid lake]

Damn then everyone above lv 350 is bricked

[eager mountain]

Damn I’m done for

[vapid lake]

[keen vapor]

I'm going to need a whole extra level for 361 :hu tao why:

[eager mountain]

it’s more like u stop leveling faster and faster since 200 cd wall

since cd income increases along

It’s kinda similar to cd income increase rate

[keen vapor]

[eager mountain]

So ye it’s not that bad

[eager mountain]

to clearify, so campaign upd about every 91 days, at lv450+ after credit req increase become stablized like core dust, it would about about 2.5-2.6 days per level up, this number excludes cd income from extra daily boxes (like during new year) and cdkeys (and assumes u use gem for event hard cd boxes)
so u get like 35 ish lv up between campaign upds on average
and per 50 lv theres cd increment
10/7 campaign updates per increment, cd increment per upd is about 4, so 40/7 cd income increase per 1k cd req increase
for my level its 14k and 86 cd, 1/14 increase in req vs 1/15 increase in income, mostly the same

so no panik

[quick lake]

It gives a little bit more burst gen Gives more dmg

[eager mountain]

he prob meant leveling up s2 after phase 2 trasure

[umbral crown]

yes

[keen vapor]

4.92x3 + lv7 Adjutant

It's fine, charge speed rounds up

[vapid lake]

TiBi did the math

[eager mountain]

did it back then cuz i panik if the lv400+ credit req stall me from catching up with cp increase in new ch

[vapid lake]

very good

[keen vapor]

@swift mango is not 15 monthly

[eager mountain]

its for 400+ so
350- sync that beat most hard ch somehow (40+ deficit) can possibly be close enough to 15, shouldnt be 15 unless paid or wipe out tho

[coarse lake]

huh that's enough?

[eager mountain]

16.88

[glad meteor]

15 + 2

Technically. Level 3 and level 7 adjutant is the same lol

1.59 rounds up. 2.12 rounds down

[eager mountain]

every line skill rounds?

[glad meteor]

Yeah. Only when it’s the same line is it added then rounded

[eager mountain]

I thought it’s the 30 frame thing

Technically 3.333% per 1 frame

[glad meteor]

No idea, I just follow what the info seems to be

They say I get free CS, I happy. Though my 2 4.63 is 9

[swift mango]

He doesn't include extra rewards from login, dispatch and outpost gem claim.

[keen vapor]

[swift mango]

And the co.op shop? Did he include it? Idk.

And why I'm blue now?

[umbral crown]

waos

everyone plat

[wicked burrow]

Stupid bot

[swift mango]

@wicked burrow do 5 attachment per comment and below.

[glad meteor]

Try to send roster in horizontal , reduces images. If that’s part of the issue

[swift mango]

@wicked burrow Okay, send 4 and below. Can't send 5 myself.

Can send 4 just fine

[crystal flicker]

That means you just joined Suisei's gang

[muted stag]

@swift mango it worked out thx

[quick lake]

Is that HI3

[umbral crown]

name of that waifu game

[wet crystal]

question, how does bursting work for defending team? since it's flipped, does the order go from right to left instead of the normal left to right?

[quick lake]

Answer is here:
https://www.prydwen.gg/nikke/guides/pvp-mechanics

Only opponent order is flipped

[wet crystal]

I was wondering how to order my defending teams, but if burst order stays the same, then good

[swift mango]

#pvp-arena message

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

blood got dynoed

[eager mountain]

wut did he

[umbral crown]

si

apprently no hacked yet

[eager mountain]

cultured new pfp

[umbral crown]

indeed

[keen vapor]

Anchor

[eager mountain]

found the illustration

from neong

[keen vapor]

[umbral crown]

[eager mountain]

dispatch cd/credit included and even rounded up cuz of reroll being optimal, login included, but output paid wipe out not included

[eager mountain]

the only thing that didnt include is what i mentioned in og post, oh it was done before discord sign-in event so also that (few hours of all boxes per month), nothing else
literally included raw cd from towers chapmaign and even monthly 1 coin 30 cd etc, and approximated tower income with approximated cp growth

[eager mountain]

[eager mountain]

and account this, didnt account things like 5 weeks(35 days) of coop xchange within a specific month(30.4 days) cuz i used average

[keen vapor]

Are you El Capitan?

[covert lintel]

[crystal flicker]

Mf tryin to cp gap me in SP smh

He's lucky my dolls still R15

[limber rampart]

haha im defeat because ein die after burst 🗿how to make b3 burst nuke before gonna die 🥹

[crystal flicker]

Who teach you that line up

[limber rampart]

i think ein must be die first then sbs will ace 🥹

[crystal flicker]

Show your nikke box and ppl will cook

[umbral belfry]

the max attachments you can send is 3 i think @limber rampart

[limber rampart]

:))

my opponent

[wicked horizon]

I'm assembling defense teams I could use right now... And sometimes I'm not sure whether to prefer CP or burst gen.
What do you think of these options?

Team 1 options:
Scarlet - BSoda - Blanc - Rumani - Jackal - 2.5 RL - 251k CP
Scarlet - Modernia - Blanc - Rumani - Jackal - 3 RL - 293k CP
Scarlet - Modernia - Blanc - SBS - Jackal - 3.5 RL - 323k CP

Team 2 options:
Noah - Biscuit - Rapunzel - SAnis - TLaplace - 3 RL - 297k CP
Noah - Biscuit - DKW - SAnis - TLaplace - also 3RL actually - 324k CP

Team 3 options (idk, this team is a bit messed rn):
Noise - Centi - Cinderella - THelm - XMaiden - 2 RL - wait, I don't have THelm yet...
Noise - Rouge - Cinderella - Centi - XMaiden - 3 RL - 224k CP
Naga - Rouge - Cinderella - Centi - MPriv - 4 RL - 288k CP
Or just F it and go Crown - RRH - Liter - Alice - Naga - no burst - 368k CP?

[crystal flicker]

No more SSR below Mast & Yan line?

[limber rampart]

i think they unusable

[eager mountain]

best general PvP advice: get tHelm

[limber rampart]

how?

[eager mountain]

first wishlist for lb2 helm, then give her sr doll and max it, and profit, best PvP battery, also really good on pve, but still cost u some campaign doll resource

[crystal flicker]

oof I forgot lol

[crystal flicker]

Jackal ScarletBS BSoda Alice Naga
Blanc Ein XMaiden Rumani Noir
Crown Noise Cindy Anis Centi
Check CP

[limber rampart]

real? Helm Treasure can upgrade from normal helm? 😳

[eager mountain]

ye for all treasure available. lb2/max affinity requirement tho

[limber rampart]

uhat is lb2?

[wicked horizon]

Limit break 2 - it's the little stars that show how many copies you have of the unit.

[crystal flicker]

CP is depend on your enemies, as long as you're not below 15.4 deficit, you're good

[wicked horizon]

Defense teams
I can't know if the enemies will out-CP me or not.

[crystal flicker]

I always avoid MG if there's better option

[crystal flicker]

yeah, just take your opponent cp as reference

[wicked horizon]

Which opponent?

[crystal flicker]

available opponent?

[wicked horizon]

Mate, there's like 20 people who I'm in range of.

[crystal flicker]

Like my opponent average is 1M/team, so I try to build team more than 850K cp

[wicked horizon]

And what if someone that's above average attacks that 855k CP team?

[limber rampart]

ohhh i know
i heard somewhere that lb2 can up nikke to max bond lv

[wicked horizon]

Yup, that's one of the requirements to get the favorite item (aka treasure) for a character.

[spiral onyx]

[keen vapor]

8 slots

[limber rampart]

hmm 🤔i think i have only 60% win

[eager mountain]

blanc will die before burst
noise p2 next to cindy? swap her with centi

t1t3 still winning anyway, prob

sbs should have higher atk w/OL compared to soda to be linked else rip t1

[white compass]

Mast pvp relevant?

[eager mountain]

no

[umbral belfry]

@tropic summit it's working

[wicked horizon]

I lied, it's now.

I'm going to challenger.

[limber rampart]

holy my **** this insane
i lower cp a lot but i won 3-0
are u the strongest magician?

[eager mountain]

@crystal flicker "strongest magician" ur new tag

how tf did blanc live for t2 to win

[wicked horizon]

These challenger guys got hands 😰

[wicked horizon]

Literally this

It's between getting CP gapped and getting a 2.5RL nuke

[crystal flicker]

It's magic

[limber rampart]

she die first but she burst in time

[crystal flicker]

And it's deficit lol

[eager mountain]

woah didnt expect her being able to burst, their fire nik must not have any elem OL nor lv5+ cube

[wicked horizon]

Do I win this?
If their Emilia has enough charge speed, this could well be a 2.5 RL comp.

Maybe that's a good thing. I don't know why, but people keep saying you have to burst later vs Emilia.

[eager mountain]

to noah tank her nuke, but not a must

[crystal flicker]

Towa plays Nikke

[eager mountain]

no rosa?

[wicked horizon]

What's Rosa do here?

[eager mountain]

she's a destinated emi assassin

[crystal flicker]

Losing 1/3 is acceptable though, if you don't have big cp gap with them

[wicked horizon]

Well, the other teams aren't exactly easier.

[crystal flicker]

[eager mountain]

la+ burst3

[wicked horizon]

The first second team is a pure CP gap team that doesn't burst.

You're right, Cindy won't burst

[eager mountain]

the 1st team is much better then their other teams

get those 2 and u win

[crystal flicker]

What a waste separating Scarlet from Jackal

[wicked horizon]

You mean their team 1 or the first image?

[eager mountain]

first img before the other 2

[eager mountain]

to cp diff ig

[wicked horizon]

Can I actually beat their big CP team though...

[crystal flicker]

The Scarlet one? doesn't seem like an issue though

[eager mountain]

any 360k+ cp team with any battery, place ur bursts p3-p5, profit

[wicked horizon]

Don't have such a team.

[eager mountain]

then use meta units for their blanc team

[limber rampart]

Do u have any way to counter this team? Jackal so unbreakable

[eager mountain]

u do

[eager mountain]

noahless you dont have the best obvious answer to that team

but 2rl cindy will do

[cedar orbit]

He gets 1-shot back

Enemy will have an invincible Jackal+full hp Cindy vs full hp Cindy

[eager mountain]

hmmmz

[wicked horizon]

Lessgooo, challenjeur!

[eager mountain]

indom la+ burst won

[wicked horizon]

Absolutely clenched asscheeks for 1st and 3rd round.
Losing 1st round, but I got their DKW before they could burst so just before my Liter died I got a burst in and finished them off with the 2 remaining units.
3rd round was just staring at each other through simultaneous Noah invulns, but SAnis had enough time to kill them after.

[crystal flicker]

Why even use DKW

[eager mountain]

waifu

[wicked horizon]

CP padding

[crystal flicker]

Seems like PvE gang

[eager mountain]

and then wasted cp pad when rapis out

thats why i sr15 and cp pad crown but not any other supp, she will stand and other will FAIL

[crystal flicker]

Still usable for SR though

[eager mountain]

and then 2.5 anni backstabs me with a even stronger b2.... nah

[eager mountain]

lv10 her cdr and thats all u want from her in sr no lines no cps

[crystal flicker]

My Day 1 bracket

more likely bricked

[eager mountain]

a lot of chinese

[crystal flicker]

Coz we don't have Nikke CN yet

[eager mountain]

a good number of them in JP server

[wicked horizon]

Can I replay rounds?
I wanna see wtf happened

[eager mountain]

u cant once u watched for once or quit

[wicked horizon]

I saw it live but was unable to quite grasp it.

Noah's invuln went through, but Biscuit and Anis were already dead somehow.

[eager mountain]

noah invuln a bit too slow, ur team is slower

but wtf is their team

[wicked horizon]

Blocked Scarlet, I'm quite sure.
Yeah, idk what their team is.

Funny land here

My team shouldn't be slower? 🤔

[eager mountain]

they have 2 batteries u have 1 noah

[eager mountain]

sanis feeding they are prob 2rl, ur noah aint blocking that

[swift mango]

I don't think you can count how many free core dust they give you every month though.

[eager mountain]

sample previous login bonus of 14days 21days event and average them

cdkeys and anni stuff are more unpredictable so didnt count but dont change that much

[swift mango]

Yeah, that's the inconsistent part

[eager mountain]

level and decifit tryhard is the main factor of difference

1-160 skyrockets, 200 wall, if have tons of cd then skyrockets for few lvl, then halts, but gradually faster til 350, then almost static

[swift mango]

Not that much tbh. Just clear according to your level. Try hard 40% deficit need to have the 3 lines on everything and high CP or they won't be any better than player with 3 bad line but high CP playing at 20% deficit.

And even then 2 hard map more won't make much a difference.

[eager mountain]

tiny% of cd hr income is a main diff compared to other potential diff other then lvl itself

and by that im comparing like 10 or even blue auto deficit vs tryhard

[swift mango]

The difference not even half a level a month with just 2 map difference.

[eager mountain]

bigger then 24hr boxes they give from cdk and anni, can easily be more then 2 maps

[swift mango]

The 3x 24 hr boxes honestly a bigger source.

That's half a level already

[eager mountain]

3/365 < 1% of 24hr income, 1 map > 1% of all source income

[swift mango]

1 map is 1/73 at my level.

[eager mountain]

yes and even lower at mine

and thats 1.3% ish there

looks unimpressive but quite a lot compared to other factors other then lvl

[swift mango]

We are talking about monthly level. 24hr is 1/30 of a month. Not 1/365.

[eager mountain]

the scale doesnt make a diff, let it be day or year, all % based

i count it per ch upd for it to be consistent with growth

[swift mango]

It make a difference. When you say comparing to 1/70 being higher than 1/100. Vs 24hr being less than 1/100.

[eager mountain]

cuz 3*24 hr box per yr is less then 1% outpost income alone, and thus further less then all sources

i pharsed it that way for it to be more obvious

champion progress scales with almost all sources counted excpet for like 50/30 daily 1000+ per lose sector 750 per ch boss etc

[upper grove]

Another jackal pulled

[swift mango]

But we are talking about the scale month, not year

And expected income, not trade blow on level with other player. In which case, ofc higher map clearance make bigger difference in the long run.

[upper grove]

Failed successfully, even better pvp

[eager mountain]

unless u meant u get 3*24 from cdk per month else whats the point

[swift mango]

Well, it's depending on the month.

[upper grove]

Tibi, when are credit boxes more worth than cd? Or never. I'm only sync 265 atm so I don't know when the credit drain kicks in

[eager mountain]

they dont, u always trade for 1xcd box instead of 3xcredit for govn't box before 450, but you will start wanting to trade exp and event points for credit instead of cd past 400

1x cd always > 1x credit, the matter is that what to choose from options that scales with 3:1 or even higher ratio

[swift mango]

Then you should trade Gorvement box for Credit early, no?

[eager mountain]

exp to credit compared to exp to cd is higher then 3, so does event point

[eager mountain]

a mix of cd and credit, hitting the balance there

[swift mango]

Rather than getting credit dispatch for 1/3 the value instead of Core dust dispatch?

[eager mountain]

tho that has to do with me using all gear for exp

[swift mango]

[eager mountain]

if not leveling up OL at all, can use slightest more for cd, wont make actual diff, but its a thing

[eager mountain]

so thats why lv400+ 3 hr credit almost = 1 cd worth

[swift mango]

I think leveling up OL actually give more value if that unit you using 100% the time. Like Jackal, Biscuit for Arena.

And whichever you use for Campaign.

[eager mountain]

yep, thus i level up OL at the cost of the slighest CD lost

[crystal flicker]

I need Tetra Support head for Biscuit

[eager mountain]

by trading slight more credit boxes for govn box

[swift mango]

So better picking 3 credit box from the begin.

[eager mountain]

only worth for core pvp units and core campaign unit

[eager mountain]

credit exceeds a bit if all govn't box used for credit, so some will be cd to hit the spending balance

[swift mango]

G.Boxes are rare any way. compared to your level.

[eager mountain]

most of them are login bonus ye

so account that part for level per day/month/ch is a bit tricky, since the usage balance can be diff

tho still accounted

[swift mango]

I have like 68 of those stack up right now. And I haven't used them for months.

[eager mountain]

what sync u at again

[swift mango]

337

[eager mountain]

still opting cd then

[swift mango]

I Opt CD for dispatch ofc

[eager mountain]

starting 400 wanna save and use for credit/cd depending on need, for govn't boxes, the higher toward 500 will be more toward credit, and after that it will be stablized

[swift mango]

But these gor.box. I save for dry days ahead.

[eager mountain]

since by then lvl req for both credit and cd increased in pretty much the exact rate outpost level increases

[swift mango]

Well, that mean core dust still have more source of income and I shouldn't waste my time finding Credit dispatch instead of core dust if I could help it.

[eager mountain]

2 credit box still 10 gem ish worth in wipeout equivlent and rerolling a 10 gem slot isnt worth

since average "value" of each non doll slot is supposed to be 5 gem

[coarse lake]

[swift mango]

If you count Gov. Box value then

Core dust = 3 credit.

8 credit = 50 gem
2 credit = 12.5 gem

That's if you count Battle damage as zero gem... Which isn't true because it could be exchanged for core dust now...

I guess 10gem = 2 credit is you estimated among?

[coarse lake]

I always pick CD if given choice, dispatch I keep cred and cd

I converted enough that CD is still bottleneck, but if not careful cred will be in the future

[eager mountain]

[eager mountain]

sync 400- all govnt box opting cd is safe, hitting 400 is a good idea in general

[coarse lake]

I always have cred shortage looming, managed to keep it ahead of me for now, wanna keep it that way

[eager mountain]

but whether u opt for cd for event shop or exp exchange or not, thats a diff story, it will be a long term loss, but if u need to beat something or need it for AI, worth for CD

since those are about 3.08(ish? forgot):1 in ratio

[coarse lake]

For flat? Always cd then leftovers go cred

[swift mango]

Battle data exchange should be fine though? If you just leave a few hundreds to spare.

[coarse lake]

I exchanged enough for exp to be approx 4 lvls ahead of cd

[eager mountain]

for those flats, u get more then credits compared to choosing credits for govn't boxes

since govn't is 3:1

[coarse lake]

They give more cred? Don't they let you pick 1 of each

[eager mountain]

battle data(exp) and event shop ratio are similar, both slight higher then 3:1

[coarse lake]

Or do you mean the one that give flat selection, from challenge

[eager mountain]

no

its the 10 event currency per 2000 credit vs 30 cd thing

[coarse lake]

Oh

[eager mountain]

and battle data to credit/cd

[coarse lake]

What battle data

There isn't flat exp in event

[swift mango]

This is seriously hard to count.

[eager mountain]

battle data not the event one, but the one in xchange shop

battle data into credit/cd

[quick lake]

At higher syncs, credit is better iirc

[swift mango]

You say Credit better than Core dust here?

[coarse lake]

You mean skipping out on it potentially?

I buy it out akways

[eager mountain]

dont skip, but whethere choosing cd or credit

[coarse lake]

Keeps exp and cd box graphs parallel

[eager mountain]

since both those and the govn't box, u have the option to choose

[quick lake]

Choose credit. U get credit gated post 500 sync

[eager mountain]

and optimizing lv resources is a lot about those choices

dont make a big diff tho

[swift mango]

60000 credit vs 30 core dust.

[quick lake]

Some Kisenix math he did last time

[eager mountain]

credit req gain post 500 is stablized, unlike the insane growth from 400-500

but yes those will be for credits at 400+ like i mentioned

[swift mango]

180000 credit = 90 core dust.

[quick lake]

Is it?

[eager mountain]

ye

https://www.prydwen.gg/nikke/guides/level-requirements/

unless this lied, or changed after i did my math

math is based on this

[swift mango]

Less than 3 hour of Credit Vs more than 1 hour of Core dust to me.

Gov box still better. to me at least.

Better pick core dust during event and get 3 credit for gov boxes.

[eager mountain]

yep ratio is outpost lvl dependent, but at higher sync where credit finally matters, it will be higher then 3:1

[swift mango]

Could you show me your current 2hrs gem claim?

[eager mountain]

so still safe to opt for cd for all sources before 400 ig

but that will be based on ur hard ch progress

[swift mango]

[eager mountain]

thats the highest outpost lvl as for now

https://www.prydwen.gg/nikke/guides/outpost-output/

for referencing resources increase rate

[coarse lake]

Going from cd to cred makes my 500 goal from 06/2026 to 05/2026

[eager mountain]

oh this one is outdated and capped at 400, so i used other site for output

[coarse lake]

That's assuming I eventually reach cred bottleneck

Except I've already been able to push my supposed bottleneck a full 40 lvls later already

[eager mountain]

ye worth

but u not using credit for OL level at all?

oh wait its 2026

[coarse lake]

Yeah

[eager mountain]

so u not 400 yet, cd worth

[coarse lake]

I'm OL, but limited by exp anyway

Still been able to keep pushing bottleneck further, maybe dispatch or tribe tower

Prob something it's not factoring in

So I'm not actually worried until I see bottleneck start getting closer

[eager mountain]

tribe tower is one of those i didnt try to push, i auto every 20 level and about 50 floor per 20

[swift mango]

This make shop value close to 1/3 I guess.... No t exactly better than Gov.Box

[eager mountain]

u sure? i double checked a few times back then

tho u meant cd or credit

[coarse lake]

With updated model apparently exp gain is slightly more than CD gain

[eager mountain]

cuz i meant higher credit value then govn't box at my outpost level

[coarse lake]

So I can probably convert Exp to cred for more efficiency

Iirc that conversion is more worth hour wise

[swift mango]

172 vs 333k (your 1/3)

180 vs 360k ( shop value)

I'm not sure how I should count this.

But looks close

[eager mountain]

ye since wont be converting all xp/eventCurrency/govn't box for same resources pass 400, the math is just there to see which one to choose

[eager mountain]

shop value isnt 3550k exp or 197k credit by exact

from what i remember 3550.500 or 3550.050, same decimal for credit

note curr cd and xp, trade for once, math the diff

i used that for the calculation

[swift mango]

It's based on their listed value here..

180 core dust = 1800 points = 360k credit.

[eager mountain]

oh its eventshop

saw 1xx and 3xx and thought of xp exchange automatically

[swift mango]

Your 2 hour = 172. 6 hours credit = 333k

172/180=0.95

333/360=0.925.

Core dust still worth more in shop than gov.boxes.

Even at lv501+

[eager mountain]

60000/30 = 2000
3*111701/172 = 1948.27 < 2000
thus shop credit has higher ratio

[coarse lake]

Why the focus on efficiency

[eager mountain]

similar to xp exchange

[coarse lake]

Whichever gonna be bottleneck in future is focus, assuming you're sure you gonna hit bottleneck

[swift mango]

Idk

[coarse lake]

Rest really doesn't matter

[eager mountain]

this

being able to choose for those 3, u wont hit bottleneck for a specific one, but rather all 3 in balance, cuz they are spend efficiently

[swift mango]

You convinced me to use gov. Boxes I guess.

[eager mountain]

for what, you will be using that for cd only for now at ur sync, that math doesnt change that part

[swift mango]

I was saving those boxes tbh

[eager mountain]

ye just use

better kraken stage and hard ch is more important even if saving has legit reason (but really nope before 400 at all)

then after 400 credit bump gradually til 500 , wont kick in and hurt that hard, have more then enough time to buffer

[swift mango]

@keen vapor Synchrome spreaded to me.

[eager mountain]

well, saving govn't for lv400 is prob way more reasonable before they introduce xp exchange

but since xp exchange is a thing, nope

a gift brought by cindy herself since it was cindy patch i think

[swift mango]

You can't exchange exp for Credit

[covert lintel]

i'm broke hard

[covert lintel]

can

[swift mango]

Okay

[eager mountain]

well, if no credit, opting for cd still worth anyway imo for hitting 400

[upper grove]

So basically: focus cd until 400, then prepare to get more credits than cd if 3 credit vs 1 cd option is available. Credits are normalised after hitting 500+

[eager mountain]

pretty much, assuming ur pushing hard ch, past 400 xp exchange and event shop should be flat credit, govnt boxes still cd but will move toward credit, tho, for 500+ and spending all gears, some govnt box can still be for cd

[fathom rock]

@tropic summit mannnnn

Nice cp lemme attack back now

[swift mango]

Hit rank 8 then hit rank 5.

[fathom rock]

I already hit yesterday
I'm hitting rank 8 and idling

[crystal flicker]

Hit R1

[fathom rock]

[swift mango]

He would need to spend 300 gem for that at the very least

[fathom rock]

I forgot rrh is b1 here

[crystal flicker]

wheres scarlet

[quick lake]

U need more credit if u’re upgrading ur pvp units

[fathom rock]

Not home

[fathom rock]

I have credit

We think this wins?

[crystal flicker]

seems like deficit

[fathom rock]

Ik, but nah id biscuit

I'll just hit

Easy enough

[crystal flicker]

He's gonna hit you back fr

[umbral crown]

[wise horizon]

Would Blanc, Emilia, SAnis, Biscuit, RH be better for T1? @tropic summit

[fathom rock]

Sanis will live tho?

[tropic summit]

Worked once but he figured it out

[swift mango]

Should be.

Oops nvm

[tropic summit]

Aye let's go

[swift mango]

Defending on how much dmg they deal, could move SAnis to p2 and Emi p3 insread

[tropic summit]

Revenge, soon TM

[swift mango]

Be better

[swift mango]

So go with

Blanc+ASS+Emi+RH+Biscuit instead.

If ASS survive, good. If ASS ded, the best.

[tropic summit]

also congrats on rank up @swift mango . nice yapping

[swift mango]

[quick lake]

Look at all this plat

[swift mango]

Rheax soon

[quick lake]

I’ll stay cozy at gold

[tropic summit]

you make it sound like it's a choice, soon it will happen to you too

[swift mango]

I refer my name in Green though.

But I like this blue badge more than yellow.

[quick lake]

Yeah, plat looks nice

[tropic summit]

blue and green are both relaxing colors to look at

[crystal flicker]

fr

Darkblue is hard to read

[rich quail]

[peak jungle]

Im stupid at PVP tho any suggestion?

[crystal flicker]

I thought you a team builder

[peak jungle]

not at PVP tho

[crystal flicker]

ScarJack

2RL Cindy

Flex

[wind kelp]

Any good Mana teams out there, mainly for defense? I got my usual jackal/scarlet/blanc(etc) team, and noise/noah/alice(etc), just not sure what to do with third 😄 Just idea'ing, maybe like, naga/tia/? III/liter/mana?

[crystal flicker]

depend on what you have tbh

[wind kelp]

Yeah i don't have an updated box atm, but outside rapunzel, red hood(do have rapi), and some odds and ends, pretty much collected all since re:zero 😄

Then again no rush on it either as it'll be until next season that i get mana up, or any others. Do have a 3* Cindy, so could also be a spot 1 unit.

Eh, i'll get back to it once i have an updated box to drop, but ideas/brainstorms welcome!

[tropic summit]

mana works best when you want use to use biscuit in another team but don't want to leave your p1 unprotected, can also work on specific anti-counter setups e.g. an unlinked emi

typical example is a biscuitless noah

[crystal flicker]

You need more battery investment fr

[tropic summit]

t1 and t2 are interesting, t3 i'd reconsider cindy in p1 (it gives enemy team roughly 1.75x burst gen) and noah in p2 (taunts in p2 for splash on 3 nikke)

[crystal flicker]

That's his PvP box? I thought it was sync box bruh

[tropic summit]

possible variation to your as-is team, simply moving them around (minus emi added to T3)

[crystal flicker]

He doesn't have Rumani

[lunar dirge]

yapper certified

[tropic summit]

this guy really likes punishing you for the lack of noah

[swift mango]

OUR certificate

[tropic summit]

can throw an anis in there then and move helm to p5

[lunar dirge]

i was one far before any of you pvp boyos appeared

[tropic summit]

alternatively for CP reasons just change to this

[lunar dirge]

[peak jungle]

Ty so much
I’m trying to fix my bricked PVP
To beat the 460+ enemy all the way to 835 challenger 1

[crystal flicker]

Scarlet Blanc RH Centi Jackal
Noah Biscuit Cindy Liter THelm
Noise Rapun SAnis Anis XMaiden
At least until you have more investment to PvP

[tropic summit]

a noble goal

[tropic summit]

T3 lacks B2

[peak jungle]

Currently at dia 4 with those 440+

[crystal flicker]

I forgot, fixed

My D1 stuck at plat coz I'm returnee

[peak jungle]

yeah im returnee too
Those whale in my sever just…incredibly rich

[crystal flicker]

That's why I have smurf

[quick lake]

Near impossible to catch up when u’re away for too long

[swift mango]

[peak jungle]

400 to 800?
Hutch much is that actually

[swift mango]

Maybe one of your kidney if you spent wisely.

[spiral onyx]

I never thought I'd see the day where Anis doesn't get used in any of my teams

[wind kelp]

I started at re:zero, currently getting 5-6 challenger final in seasons(approx took 4-5 months to get there). I'd say it's not impossible, more work, and all the resources over the year went mostly to pvp teams(which honestly i used in pve as well 😄 ), but it's definetaly doable. Ofcourse depends how many credit-card commanders there are in top 10 😆 In the end though, everyone maxes out at some point, then it's team comps.

Although sometimes i feel the most powerful pvp ranking boost is; keep picking up those coins and don't 100% 😄

[quick lake]

Yeah definitely possible and uphill
challenge

[tropic summit]

I like the credit-card commander title, perfectly describes it

God knows how much money I'm saving compared to my whales 🤔

[quick lake]

Make them spend money by gemming to break ur defence

[tropic summit]

Yeah, been tradition since the day I unlocked SP arena

[gaunt sentinel]

man this guy is persistent

well not that i want to change deff team

[wind kelp]

Not to mention, by not spending gems to stay on top(or attempting to), you're more likely to come off with more net-gems in the end 😄 Spend 300 gems in pvp and you essentially drop 3 ranks.

[whole pawn]

@tropic summit maybe i have to swap smt?scar isnt full ol yet, and idk if i still use her over cindy

@quick lake can u help me

[quick lake]

yep sure wassup

[whole pawn]

@quick lake

[quick lake]

Can probably replace Scar with another burst gen unit/highest CP/DMG SG unit

Centi Biscuit RH flex xMaiden

[whole pawn]

can't use Cindy?

[quick lake]

U can if u want to

Centi Biscuit Cindy BurstGen BurstGen

[whole pawn]

they have 3 sheilders...

[quick lake]

If ur cindy is somewhat invested should be fine.
Can try Centi Biscuit Cindy xMaiden Rumani

[quick lake]

Yeah, should be fine

[whole pawn]

bro changed his rank xd

[quick lake]

Opponent is 4RL vs u 3RL

[whole pawn]

i need to look for smt else

[quick lake]

[whole pawn]

man everyone at chal 8 and above had a total of 800k

I still have around 600k...

[crystal flicker]

play more

push campaign, OL your PvP

[whole pawn]

[whole pawn]

yeah i m trying, its not like we get enough xp materials

I will be at dia 1 by next reset, my def team still weak

[modest summit]

Hi, I don't really know enough about PVP teams yet, I just got Jackal, are there any teams for atk and def you'd recommend for SP arena please? I was running thesetwo teams, with auto for 3rd team so far:

[crystal flicker]

Tia Zwei Cindy Anis Noir
ScarletBS Blanc Laplace Maiden Jackal
Moran Neon MPriv Mana Naga

[lucid belfry]

How can I beat these people?

[brazen ledge]

You can’t, you’re too low cp

[glad meteor]

Makima bracket

You could beat some of them if you OL pvp units and they don’t invest.

But eh, it’s tough

[modest summit]

Thank you!

[modest summit]

Laplace has no treasure is that okay?

[crystal flicker]

Yes, only have slower burst gen

[keen vapor]

Ikr

Makima....

[swift mango]

I wish I'm that gold 1 account

Did anyone tested Maid Mast in Arena?

[swift mango]

I spent 700 gems before reset to hit the rank 1 whale before season ended. And I was surely rank 3 overall. Sometime you just wanted to spend.

[wind kelp]

That too! IT's everyones own gems and stuff, do whatever makes ya go "yay!" 😄

[swift mango]

Yeah, it was lunar new year, so I just wanted to do something.

Ended up getting shit lucks with all my standard and friend pulls. On top of the 700 gems and top of doll mats wasted. Oh well. Gg

[tropic summit]

While i find it sort of nice to associate that with good luck, RNG in gacha games is still RNG, it may go well, it may go bad.

[quick lake]

New year, but old bad luck

[brazen ledge]

hi, this works right ?

[crystal flicker]

2 v 2?

Anis is SR and has lower stat

[brazen ledge]

????

[tropic summit]

1st team wins, 2nd team depends if your noise can tank up to 2.5RL, also depends in part on enemy scarlet investiment, but in a general use case should work

if she got a doll SR5 or R15 with 4OL and vigor cube should do

should go approx like this one, pepper will hurt less than rosanna though

after that you'll need to survive 6-7 seconds of indom scarlet

[brazen ledge]

it worked

[keen vapor]

And?

[mighty haven]

Indom SAnis, yeesh

[crystal flicker]

I prefer putting Anis in P2/3/4, so she don't die

[mighty haven]

good point

ah such a fun bracket right

[tropic summit]

reshuffle in less than a month, gamba

[mighty haven]

this acc was started 1-2 months after my main, and C1 is higher sync + CP

or heck, my alt1 started a week after main, and C1 is nuts

[tropic summit]

the more i see the top challangers, the more i question people control over their money

[eager mountain]

gacha shows u that they dont

[swift mango]

If you can beat them once, you can beat them twice

[solid flare]

is this even good defence? (rookie)

[tropic summit]

wow you did it

[tropic summit]

3.5RL, no linked nikke in p1, meh

[swift mango]

Actually it was thrice.

Dude did tried to CP pad his team more but still beatable

[solid flare]

is meta rookie some kinda of Helm1.5RL bull****?

[tropic summit]

probably will pad it even harder now, they've no bottom those people

[tropic summit]

there's no real meta rookie team because they're all beatable, although there's teams that at least make it harder to be beaten

you'll want 2RL or 2.5RL variations with nuke and noah or indom involved

[eager mountain]

ah wrong screenshot

[solid flare]

hmm, i guess if it aint broke dont touch it.

[swift mango]

621k+ already for the weakest team

My campaign team is 570k

[swift mango]

His strongest team is 780k though. But 7rl. Probably campaign team.

[tropic summit]

well he always learns on 2nd attempt, dammit

[eager mountain]

i guess ill have to overspend to actually stop him

[tropic summit]

i think we still had a 3rd option left

[solid flare]

like this?

[eager mountain]

im proud of him learning

[tropic summit]

that's for sure, just change it only when they break it

[eager mountain]

gonna drive so brb in hours

[tropic summit]

buffless cindy nuke, throw a noise in there and it's ok

[swift mango]

Was closed

[solid flare]

noice makes it 2.5

[tropic summit]

still more threat than unbuffed cindy

[tropic summit]

eh, in a sense i guess

[tropic summit]

did you try the mana variant yet btw?

#pvp-arena message

[swift mango]

I could CP pad more if it wasn't for fishing charge speed.... Feel like I'm losing like 10-20% CP overall in they last 2 months fishing CS with my rock... Could have fished 3 lines instead and beat this whale easier...

Well, dude is still 73 level above me so it's just for fun.

[tropic summit]

🐳

[swift mango]

I wish I was lucky with my initial OL and get 3 line everytime, even hit rate, Charge dmg and DEF would do... But I just can't be that lucky...

[lucid belfry]

What does this mean?

[glad meteor]

Old server. So you have it rough at low sync

[swift mango]

It means it was 2 year old bracket

And level still so low

[tropic summit]

you took a break = ppl went ahead without you

hence = 🧱

[swift mango]

Considering D1 is still 361ish that bracket should be full of brick so probably no problem to compete.

Up to D1 at least

[keen vapor]

Brick

[swift mango]

You should easily empathize with them.

[keen vapor]

I'm not brick
I'm not brick!

||Now you go ||

[mighty haven]

Ah, I love the fact I commissioned this emote

[swift mango]

It hurts seeing this emote everytime because no Noah

[keen vapor]

[swift mango]

And why Platinum above Gold in Nikke? Gold is much more expensive than Platinum.

[mighty haven]

prestige

[swift mango]

No one care about Platinum these days.

[keen vapor]

Sony players does

[coarse lake]

plat more rare

[keen vapor]

[pure agate]

can someone give me 3 team suggestions for special arena?

[mighty haven]

Is your La+ treasured?

[pure agate]

ok im kind of a newbie idk what that means LMAO

[mighty haven]

If you SR15 their doll and did Favourite item quest

[summer copper]

Level 221 and kind of a newbie is pretty sus

[tropic summit]

you forgot they've EVA collab at sync lvl 221

[mighty haven]

Probably not, which is fine....are you able to make space for Rumani and Maid Priv in your sync?

[pure agate]

well just need help with team building and ok sure yeah i can do that

[mighty haven]

People who joined at EVA...more or less around that sync is correct

[pure agate]

i dont believe i have La+ treasured then

[mighty haven]

If you joined for SAnis, about 260-280

Yeah that's fine erm....

[keen vapor]

Laplace

[pure agate]

that's who I believe La+ stands for right?

[keen vapor]

Yes

[glad meteor]

Need 2LB minimum to treasure a unit

[eager mountain]

its the 5/5/5 mana

[eager mountain]

He must know my nik well now consider he was stuck for a while back then

[pure agate]

well i put my rumani and privaty maid in the sync. i do have room for them

i haven't gone that far treasuring Laplace yet

i only started caring about team building just now lmao

[mighty haven]

Scarlet - Blanc - Liter - Centi - Jackal
Noise - Ein - Rapunzel - Anis - Maiden: Ice Rose
Noir - Rumani - Scarlet: Black Shadow - Poli - Maiden

[pure agate]

thank you for the help 🙏 I appreciate it

i will work on treasuring laplace

unless i cant yet nvm

[mighty haven]

Probably Helm is more important

But you do need LB2 min

[pure agate]

ahh ok

[mighty haven]

@tropic summit those 3 teams look fine to you? all 3RL (Scar/Jack probably 2.5 with feed)

[mighty haven]

And what level is your Quantum cube

[mighty haven]

mb didn't read :X

[pure agate]

😭 I didn't get that cube yet. tbh i havent been doing lost sector so ill get into it

[mighty haven]

yeah, very important for PvP

Once you get it, get it to L2 and put on Jackal and Centi

[pure agate]

ill do more campaign too

[mighty haven]

at L4 you can put 3rd on Rumani

[pure agate]

ohh ok

[wicked horizon]

What'cha guys think?

[pure agate]

ill take a screenshot to keep this in mind

[mighty haven]

Have you got a screenshot of all units?

[sleek ginkgo]

Need help beat him pls

Here is my box

[tropic summit]

yeah they look good with what he has

[pure agate]

uh not a he but its fine

thanks for checking on the teamss

[tropic summit]

T2 weak to scar-jack, which you already running
T3 weak to 4RL noah + sanis
T1 is pretty damn high CP, would leave it aside, although it would be weak to p1 defender + biscuit stall, as la+ will be stuck bursting on p1

[tropic summit]

oh actually that's a even slower team that i thought, it's a 5RL

[sleek ginkgo]

Love the basically never

[tropic summit]

you could just kill emilia instead, just ensure you've a p1 defender + biscuit to get enemy RH stuck shooting your p1

any 3RL or 2RL buffed cindy nuke probably does the job

[sleek ginkgo]

Ok so I change rapi, alice for emiliana, and sannis and burst with annis ?

[tropic summit]

can run this

[mighty haven]

[sleek ginkgo]

Couldn't kill his emiliana , I think it's his blanc keeping her alive

[tropic summit]

emi is in p2, you bursted with buffed cindy and still didn't kill?

cindy not invested?

[sleek ginkgo]

I confuse sannis with annis

My baddd

[tropic summit]

oh you bursted with s.anis...

[kindred tinsel]

[tropic summit]

not bad for a bricked account tho, you did what you could

[tropic summit]

multitasking go brrr, could be local multiplayer friendly, an extra set of hands would be nice

[kindred tinsel]

i was so close to 61

[sleek ginkgo]

Hope My Cindy 90% ele DMG os her

[tropic summit]

oh definitly, water weak

[sleek ginkgo]

Beat him let's gooo, tyvm

[fathom rock]

Win right?

[boreal mango]

how can I beat one of those teams?

[tropic summit]

no problem good job

[tropic summit]

hmm not a fan of your choice for T2

noah in p2 will cause their 3RL to be 2.5RL likely 🤔

(she'll taunt)

you don't have biscuit?

[fathom rock]

4rl comp t1
3rl comp r2
Lemme think

[lucid belfry]

What are PVP units?

[fathom rock]

No
And I expect for sbs and noah to die

[strange rain]

where should i slot biscuit ? ot should i build a new team around her ?

[fathom rock]

Noise/Anis/biscuit/alice/rumani to slot her

[tropic summit]

that's very ballsy

[glad meteor]

PVP meta characters.

Can look at prydwen/nikkegg/keripo tier list to get an idea

[lucid belfry]

Right I was asking which ones are they specifically

Ok got it

[glad meteor]

https://tinyurl.com/nikke-pvp-tierlist

[strange rain]

are these better positions ? so rh can burst 1 and 3 ?

[fathom rock]

Yes but I find the constant use of ade amusing

[strange rain]

i got her or aria

as brust 2

aria buffs crits idk if that usefull

[tropic summit]

your teams are on the left (quantum lvl 3 is enough)

[strange rain]

al least ade buffs a bit atk and hp no >o.o ?

[fathom rock]

Those are some....... Interesting options

Just use the higher cp unit lol

[fathom rock]

Hey it worked
Now lemme swap to main

[tropic summit]

wew, high risk high reward

[fathom rock]

Btw what are the odds enemy t1 is actually 3.5rl bc he magically have 4x Lv7 quantum

[strange rain]

winnable ?

[tropic summit]

eh running quantum on those would be kinda peculiar

[fathom rock]

Pepper is dead here

[fathom rock]

Enemy bursts first if you don't kill enemy fast enough

[boreal mango]

will the 1st team work if my scarlet is not invested? (7/6/7 no OL)

[tropic summit]

eh that's barely in the zone

does she have OL gear?

[boreal mango]

nope

[tropic summit]

ok let's rethink that then

[tropic summit]

let's try instead with your cindy

[fathom rock]

I need extreme help @tropic summit

[tropic summit]

wow they still onto you

fierce bracket you got there

gonna have to get creative

[fathom rock]

I'm gonna start asking for def teams in commcord too this is crazy

[tropic summit]

yeah more ideas might help

we did around 3-4 variations already

next step would be for you to get jackal and centi to 17% CS

or even just jackal tbh

[fathom rock]

I probably won't do that

[tropic summit]

yeah reasonable, worst case scenario that's a lot of rocks

[boreal mango]

it worked, thanks

[rustic sandal]

Can anyone help me build 2 teams for simulation arena? I was thinking noah, jackal, scarlet, alice, blanc in 1 team, whats the recommended?

[tropic summit]

can I ask you if cindy was enough to kill also enemy cindy or just RH, biscuit and noir? 🤔

i guess cindy and noah were left alive

and then killed them after noah shield went off

(if you remember, else no worries)

[tropic summit]

oh wow, this account is so much PvP for a synch 160

you only missing biscuit 🤔

[rustic sandal]

ahaha, yeah i'm really into pvp, so tried to get most of those units

Sad that i need to get my synch so high to catch up

[tropic summit]

yeah campaign progress should be your 1st priority, PvP unfortunately has to come second

either way you can go for these:

wishlist biscuit and rapunzel, and you're pretty much set (can get your T3 reviewed once you found them)

@fathom rock yeah we did 3 variations so far 🤔

might aswell try the indom emi

[rustic sandal]

thats awesome

ty man

[tropic summit]

you welcome, happy hunting

[rustic sandal]

is that a spreadsheet u using to get teams?

[tropic summit]

yep from these, #pvp-arena message

[fathom rock]

[tropic summit]

i forgot to remove noise sec

[tropic summit]

fixed:

let's go with a 4th, we got T1 with invulnerable centi cind, noise moved to p5, T2 with emi indom + revive, T3 has the same logic as b4 but minus biscuit as she's in T1

not using liter in T3 cuz she'd brick s.anis, but she could be used if we used SBS instead, that'd boost your CP a bit if anything but reduced effectiveness against a possible biscuit

[fathom rock]

Gonna try

[tropic summit]

they'll need to rethink approach on T1 and T2, possibly 🤔

maybe we can catch them offguard

[brazen ledge]

hi, how do i hit this guy ? i think i can hit t2 with noah and anything after for dps, t3 seems doable too but idk how to do that, maybe some emi nuke ? (idk how to build these teams for the moment)

[fathom rock]

4rl his cindy comp and 2rl his scar jack without feeding her to 2rl

Use biscuit vs cindy comp if needed I see that's a lot of cp

Rossana interesting pick, would also go cindy p5 to defend naga

[keen vapor]

I don't think he has the CP for that

[brazen ledge]

I dont

And when tf do I use Rosanna

[glad meteor]

I’d use emi blanc rh crown jackal on sanis

But cp deff teams if not on deficit are scar jack food

Scar blanc rh rumani jackal vs naga
Noah biscuit sbs cent noise vs scarlet

[eager mountain]

tossing a new random def for him
scar/helm/anne/rosa/jackel.

noah/centi/anis/sanis/noise.
rumani/blanc/bis/cindy/emi
or
noah/centi/cindy/xmaiden/rumani.
blanc/sanis/bis/emi/noise

[jagged sedge]

Moran is a freaken tank. She pretty much cant be killed.

[keen vapor]

Until she isn't

[lunar dirge]

if she dies

it means you didn't invested enought

https://tenor.com/view/ripbozo-rip-bozo-rest-in-piss-packwatch-james-worthy-gif-6906351621115625331

[fathom rock]

You don't
Well counter that sanis comp by 3rl icbm

[tropic summit]

hmm might be worth a shot, both seem interesting

[lunar dirge]

attack teams to snipe attackers,to dispell jackal link or burst gen to make goofy ass 2rl teams

[eager mountain]

used the second, lets see if he will suffer

3rl indom sanis is safer then emi since supp + c7

[brazen ledge]

So why do I never use her against jackal teams ?

[tawny vine]

raid zug zug mindset keeping me from gearing up Rosa. maybe in 2027. her kits super interesting

[lunar dirge]

because she is mostly niche and uncomfortable to build teams with

[eager mountain]

I use her all the time in atk and sometimes def as well

[brazen ledge]

Ive completely built her before knowing that huh

[eager mountain]

15+15% crit Rosa stonk

[brazen ledge]

She has black lines and everything

[glad meteor]

[fathom rock]

Uhhhh

[brazen ledge]

I have 30% atk and an ele dmg black line on her

[glad meteor]

Noah wasted kinda

[brazen ledge]

?? @eager mountain

[eager mountain]

wish I have 30 atk rosa

Tho that also means scar and another atk would need higher atk for jackel scar team

[brazen ledge]

Ye my rosanna is rly good

But I never have the chance to use her

[eager mountain]

Rosa is just an expensive chara in general

[brazen ledge]

And I’m trying to get my last atk line

[fathom rock]

I'll start trying desperate comps

[eager mountain]

We getting a lot of burst gen for sp so not using p1 dying and feeding rosa s2 nearly as often now

what will link do when indoming?

[fathom rock]

Sanis will indom

[brazen ledge]

Uh, this seems like an excuse to not play good nikkes

[eager mountain]

rh jackel prob taking dmg while sanis indoming ig

[fathom rock]

Maybe I shouldnt rely on feed for 3rl

[tawny vine]

with just 2 real teams you can definitely cook more I think. but cindi s. anis is what I run too

[eager mountain]

oh wait forgot b1 thought i swapped noise rumani

[tawny vine]

also idk not fully sold on noise with cindi I prefer more burst gen personally.

[eager mountain]

2rl noise cindy would have to burn helm or feeded jackel, expensive, thus running rumani Cindy now

[keen vapor]

Yes

[tawny vine]

rumani filling the forgotten B1 spot while being clip rl

[umbral crown]

Unbuffed Ssakura

[crystal flicker]

Should I

[eager mountain]

why not

[crystal flicker]

Want to save attemp if someone from bottom hit me

[terse dragon]

I try to give Laplace expensive resources....

[celest pulsar]

I'm trying to make some proper teams for arena for the first time and I'm wondering if anyone can give me some ideas for teams to make with my current units. Any help would be appreciated

[crystal flicker]

Rem
Sync 217
yeah

You have plenty PvP units that are not invested

[celest pulsar]

Good to know, thank you for your help

[crystal flicker]

I can tell you wah to invest, but at your current bracket it will take a while before you can reach Plat/Diamond

[eager mountain]

2b but sync 217 is high key bricked

at this level he still wanna finish normal campaign and mess with ai

[vapid lake]

delete message before i could react to it

[eager mountain]

[eager mountain]

what is ur helm limit break

[celest pulsar]

Should I try to focus on finishing normal campaign then?

[vapid lake]

Maybe it best to pretend pvp dont exist because other ppl are gonna be like lv 400

[eager mountain]

yes, but wont hurt to put some pvp units in sync, wishlist pvp units, before u throw OLs and skill books on them

[celest pulsar]

I don't have any dupes of her sadly

[celest pulsar]

Ok, thanks for the help

[eager mountain]

wishlist her, she is one of the few broken pvp units that also good in pve, but that requires her treasure, and treasure requires lb2

[celest pulsar]

Ok, I had no idea that she was meta for pvp

[eager mountain]

she just became hard meta cuz new trasure give her like 5x burst gen

[celest pulsar]

5x is crazy

Should I use any of these items to get progress in the game or save up?

[eager mountain]

build rapi, then push campaign, then use your core dust,

[eager mountain]

theres a lot to cover, will be back for that in hours if u still around

[celest pulsar]

Ok, I'll still be around

[celest pulsar]

That could be helpful but if you think that I shouldn't focus on ranked then you don't have to tell me

[restive bison]

Could anybody make 3 team recommendations for Arena that dont use Scarlet? over 5k pulls and I still dont have her.

[livid marsh]

What the team for helm?

[keen vapor]

Swap for Scarlet Alter or Ein

[graceful grotto]

lmao what is that T3

cp pad to the maxx tho

but if u have treasure helm i think it'll bring them to 2.5 or 3RL lol

[umbral crown]

of course, why no

[umbral crown]

just use the golden coin, problem solved

[umbral crown]

i like that cook

[quick lake]

Can send ur full nikke box, sorted by CP in horizontal mode

[tender valve]

Rosanna OUT META. xD

[umbral crown]

an interesting cook for your book, meta

[tender valve]

we waiting meta 1 RL

[umbral crown]

Soon, trust

[onyx scaffold]

emilia carried?

[bitter cipher]

What’s a good Rosie team that doesn’t use abnormals?

[quick lake]

An invested Rosanna

7/7/10 40% Atk SR5

[bitter cipher]

And the team..?

[wicked horizon]

What critical info is missing from what I provided? =(

[crystal flicker]

First thing first, you should have good PvE team to push story and earn more core dust/hour
Crown Rapipi RH Mod/Alice/Ein Naga should work for most content

For PvP:

• Wishlist Helm and try to get her LB2 to unlock her treasure

• DPS:

Emilia, Summer Anis

• Buffer & Burst Battery:

Noah, Centi, Biscuit, Jackal, Rumani, Anis(SR), XAnne, XMaiden, Noise, Noir, Drake (since you can get her treasure)

Team with this investment:

• Noah Biscuit SAnis Rumani XMaiden
• Blanc Centi RH Anis(SR) Noir
• Emilia XAnne Drake Jackal MPriv

You can slot Treasured Helm once you get her treasure

[umbral crown]

7-10-10

[vapid lake]

i lost a fight because my opponent's p2 died too fast and my RLs couldn't splash for burst gen, laplace may be too strong

Wish i recorded it

My 3rl team became 4rl

[terse dragon]

I think the main reason is that Laplace killed Biscuit first

[vapid lake]

No i really think u won because emilia splash can still get burst

After biscuit die rest of your rl lose 1 target for splash but emilia aoe can still hit multiple people

I just lost a fight because of killing opponent p2 biscuit too fast

[terse dragon]

I think 2RL is still possible, if the biscuit dies early

[strange quail]

Hello guys, I need some cooking to beat this guy, can someone help me please ? Thank you

My team is here

[crystal flicker]

why separate Scarlet and Jackal though

[strange quail]

Sorry I have minimal pvp experience

[vapid lake]

Not confident in cooking after losing in such embarrassing way so i'm out

[strong hull]

Bro they banned emoji perm on team building

[terse dragon]

I think I'll attack like this

[celest pulsar]

Thank so much for the help, this is really helpful and I've been wanting to make a new story team so that helps me too

[strange quail]

lemme try it

Helm+ can replace Anis right ?

[crystal flicker]

Leviathan

[crystal flicker]

Phase 2 Tr & S1 lv 10

[terse dragon]

Do you have Helm's SR15?

[strange quail]

Yes I do

10 4 7 as well

[terse dragon]

can change

[strange quail]

nice

damn you cooked well

[crystal flicker]

I'm thinking about ScarJack for P1, Mirror + Rapu for P2, but idk about P3

[strange quail]

video in 1 minute

[crystal flicker]

[strange quail]

Nice, thank you so much

[crystal flicker]

Yeah, T3 is confusing

[terse dragon]

You're welcome.
I thought the third team would win

[strange quail]

Yeah there is a deficit on that team

[crystal flicker]

Should've use Noah Biscuit for T3

[strange quail]

I am Noahless Sadge

Hopefully next bracket will be better, this bracket of mine is full of sweaty players

[crystal flicker]

ah, I'm blind

[fallow coral]

Is this a good pvp team

[mighty haven]

Only good if Helm is Treasured, and you want to position them as
Noah/Biscuit/Cindy/Helm/Jackal

[fallow coral]

I literally just got it lol

[crystal flicker]

Either way, Jackal will link to Helm though

[fallow coral]

Also thanks

[crystal flicker]

Need S1 lv 10 for optimal

[swift mango]

Scarlet+Drake+RH+Noir+Jackal to beat team SBS

Blanc+Emi+Rapunzel+Biscuit+Centi to beat team Scar+Jack

Record though. I'm not exactly sure.

If Blanc Indom would hit Emi or centi.

[eager mountain]

a bit exhausted

[eager mountain]

giga battery so pretty much any team, usually for turning a 3rl team to 2rl

[eager mountain]

imma follow up #questions, lemme know when ur around

[celest pulsar]

I'm around now

[swift mango]

question for those that have Rossana s1lv7 for a long time. Is there any use case for her stripping 5 buffs? Or 3 buffs are always more than enough?

[coarse lake]

these days? if actually building rosa, s1 lvl 7 minimum

seen several cases of 3 not being enough

[swift mango]

Such as? ,

[coarse lake]

I remember merry encountering it once

then it happened to someone else, forgot who

[swift mango]

So no example.

[coarse lake]

idk exact comp

[tropic summit]

yeah can't combo emi with your higher CPs cuz they'd steal link, RIP

[swift mango]

My Emi has lower atK than scar and Rh so never a problem to me.

My S.Sakura has 3 ATK line so she always steal my 1 ATK line scarlet though. It could make for a funny Scarlet Sacc 😂

[graceful grotto]

2.5RL with Jackal and Noah? i would expect that to go into 2RL, too much expectation i supposed

[coarse lake]

no reason to use ssakura there

[eager mountain]

jackel*2 + scar buff alone is 3, all will happen before rosa dispel

[coarse lake]

problem is other dps

esp units like rh

also cindy is immune to dispel btw

I think it targets the decoy instead or something

[eager mountain]

decoy shenanigans

[crystal flicker]

always has been

After messin with Crown's shield

[limber rampart]

anyway to make me winable? i can make 2rl on round 3 but so hard to make 3rl team round 1 no hope
I need some advise

[crystal flicker]

YOu only need 2/3 win to win the game

[swift mango]

I asked sample of 5, not 3.

[eager mountain]

kill blanc, noise their scarlet, profit

[limber rampart]

yeh and opponent got noah and biscuit too strong then i see no hope in round 1

[eager mountain]

the need of lv7 s1 is when over 3 buffs exists, so 4 will make s1 worth, and those 2 alone have 3 and is a commoon combination unless u assume all other 3 doesnt have one

[swift mango]

Let's assume it is.

[eager mountain]

then let it be