pvp-arena

[upper grove]

Yes

[eager mountain]

i dont remember tbh, maybe sr doll might do

[upper grove]

Idk if naga cover repair is enough

[swift mango]

Then use her as b1 and max RH instead

[eager mountain]

u shouldnt run naga in nihil, nihil is just dmg wall and naga does nothing without core

[vapid lake]

Naga repair cover

[upper grove]

Yep that's the current plan might do RH 71010 and then go for helm first

[eager mountain]

but i think 1 liter is enough for cover

didnt think i used both, and now we have sr doll

[vapid lake]

Im going to run rapipi b1, alice cindy naga against nihil when i continue push campaign

[swift mango]

What if you don't use liter and Naga both?

[upper grove]

I'm still stuck at 35% deficit storm bringer hard sync 264 anyway

[vapid lake]

[eager mountain]

fires rip ur cover and then nik

[upper grove]

Fried nikke for nihil

[swift mango]

What if I wait for blue?

[eager mountain]

profit at the cost of cd

[swift mango]

Well, I have no OL on liter and Naga anyway

[upper grove]

[eager mountain]

💀 well liter ol is only for this scenario now, no core + need of cover fix

[upper grove]

Granny wants to repair

[quartz prawn]

RHless behavior

[swift mango]

Not sure if I wanted to OL liter or Naga. Naga could use OL line more but Liter has SR doll ready to use

[keen vapor]

I did for both

But now I'm using Rapi so... Yeah, less usage for overloaded Liter

[upper grove]

Alice RH pierce tag team

Or... broken water pilgrim half anni

[eager mountain]

Naga ol decent for everything, liter ol almost only for nihil now, so yeah

[swift mango]

Need Sr doll though...

[upper grove]

First thing I did was OL liter and Alice for campaign mald when I started in August no regrets

[eager mountain]

Might, maybe not

[upper grove]

Granny was carrying since week 1

[quartz prawn]

I was gonna use RH and Rapi maybe

[swift mango]

I got Mlb DKW before even get a liter... And DKW is more sexy.

[upper grove]

Liter as b1 then?

[swift mango]

So I choose my DKW to OL, no regret thus far

[quartz prawn]

Ye. Thats how it was in normal at least, needed liter to maintain cover for nihil fire breathe

[eager mountain]

yeah ol liter was a good idea between ol cp change and rapipi so I did as well

[upper grove]

I had no dkw or any other cdr besides liter but she's op anyway until rapi showed up

[upper grove]

Yeah the UR hard mode reminded me to respect that damn fire breath

[eager mountain]

rapi completely benched d in campaign, used to be even better then liter

[swift mango]

DKW is decent buffer for... Emilia if anything. Liter basically give Emi nuke 0% buff

[quartz prawn]

Shoulda done liter naga biscuit combo
Even then, i think i wouldve died

[upper grove]

I still had to use liter b1 for regular mc because of 80% atk for slippers, rapi b1 wasn't enough

[upper grove]

Low sync are just food for her

[eager mountain]

lower mc cp clear is either rouge or liter

[swift mango]

DKW gives above 20% in comparison.

No a good reason for using Emi with dkw but it is what it is.

[quartz prawn]

i'm at 290k CP now, and i still do 1 dmg to slipper using rapi b1

[swift mango]

I have a 3 Ele line Emi, maybe she could be good vs Nilhister 🤔

[swift mango]

Missilis tower need Liter more though, could do without Naga 🤔

But not without Liter.

[eager mountain]

oh ya cdr, and ol is still cp pad there

[umbral belfry]

@tropic summit it broke bc i spoke up earlier

but it's okay as long as i can win it back

[crystal flicker]

Towa plays Nikke

He should've put 108 in the front tbh

[eager mountain]

wym its actually her fr

i hate that i dont watch any vtuber but still knows many names

[glad glade]

Wait it’s actually her??

[valid fern]

Hololive collab confirmed

[swift mango]

Was sooo close...

Will pass her at 341 easily I guess

[eager mountain]

ur covers even not gone but u have way more then enough dmg wut

did u tank a fire or wut

[swift mango]

Just the meteor killed me.

Maybe I could do it after some more malding

But tbf only 6 more level to 341

Could wait 10 days.

[eager mountain]

looks more then possible to me but yeah u can just wait

[swift mango]

Gonna stuck in map 22 next 🤤

[radiant storm]

Nice one @tropic summit

[eager mountain]

weird case to me tbh cuz losing to nihil usually means u dont have enough dmg or ur cover is gone, u are neither

[swift mango]

You will have barely enough cover if you don't get hit by anything else and get to phase 2 after 2 breath.

[eager mountain]

21 mother whale

[swift mango]

Idk my RH is ready to break her core. Maybe need some level more

[valid fern]

ooh man, I malded hard Nihlister a ton. its also where I discovered that Liter has anti synergy with Sanis lol.

[eager mountain]

and then ch23 mob walls awaits after clearing ch22

24 25 cake walk, 26 insane cp inflation

[swift mango]

Emilia still deal less dmg even with h 3 Ele line.

[eager mountain]

i assme both rh and emi are there to cp pad, for whatever reason

[radiant storm]

What you need in MW is S. Anis or Cindy

[radiant storm]

Plus sadly, Emilia is just a Pvp type in that scenario, Cindy will just eat Mw for breakfast

[swift mango]

I beat Nihister normal with Emilia as well. Nothing changed.

[vapid lake]

this guy username is that what i think it means

[radiant storm]

22 onwards upto 26 Hardmode is super easy because you have good Iron units (if you have a well built one)

[vapid lake]

"Fk me until my manhood break"

[eager mountain]

[vapid lake]

[radiant storm]

hahahahaha, didn't even notice the Nickname would translate into that

I would typically call that player "Chinese"

[swift mango]

I think I did better than @keen vapor, he needed 341 to beat Nihister... Good enough.

[eager mountain]

some mob farter stunner sliencers stages, else ez, 26 has higher cp inflation then usual, ch itself is ez
27-30 cake walk esp after cindy
31-32 some annoying stages and mirror container wall
33-34 cake walk except behemoth

[eager mountain]

[swift mango]

I think I will have HelmT maxed out next time I meet Nihister

Just in time

[eager mountain]

she seems good enough for a water onburst there

[swift mango]

First time using ASS for campaign... Guess it's harder to reset her now... She is pretty good..

[eager mountain]

she’s not that great for campaign but PvP is enough reason to not reset her

[quick lake]

Why would u reset her

[swift mango]

See isn't that good in Arena in my bracket either .. everyone there is having ScarJack invested

[quick lake]

True. I rarely use her at all nowdays

[eager mountain]

that’s theirs issue not sanis

[swift mango]

And just waiting for an ASS to slap ..

[eager mountain]

tbh I’m using her more now

[swift mango]

ASS team need 2.5-2.7RL at least or it's a free win.

[coarse lake]

sanis basically is a raid unit for me 99% of the time

pvp usage? 0 in the past several months, campaign? only for electric-weak bosses, to buff up my gigastonks cindy

[eager mountain]

[coarse lake]

esp if you're hitting up, sanis is a massive liability

you cannot make a sanis comp that is remotely cheap that lives to a double buff scar jack by someone with much higher sync

[eager mountain]

2rl stall noise sanis is doing bettter then 2rl Cindy in my rookie defense

[swift mango]

Well, just 10 7 1 her and burst with XMaiden instead in your hyper electric team, not much worse.

[coarse lake]

well it's optimal to burst with xmaiden last

my sanis is 10/10/9

mid OLs

don't plan to get her higher tbh

[swift mango]

Yeah, just a bit better to me tbh

[coarse lake]

my maiden doesn't have good ol either

both are essentially support units, so no reason to

[eager mountain]

am i trippin for having a good time with sanis cuz of level or my arena group is buillt diff

[vapid lake]

i don't even use s anis for attack anymore i use rapi now

At least at my lower sync lvl rapi can kill entire enemy team with aoe, esp team with a lot of electric unit

[eager mountain]

[quick lake]

I think iris uses SAnis. But i barely use her in pvp

[vapid lake]

I dont think it work on higher sync lvl where units are tankier tho i use rapi to kill people's cindy+biscuit team

Rapi+laplace on same team

[eager mountain]

whats his/her sync

[quick lake]

Maybe Noah SAnis RH?

[vapid lake]

he 4xx dont rmb exact number

[quick lake]

Ard 440-480 i think

[tropic summit]

Glad it works

[eager mountain]

hi rail

[tropic summit]

Haha it lasted quite long at least, post your box later and ur current 3 teams maybe we can upgrade somewhere

[tropic summit]

Hi hi

[eager mountain]

they all be saying sanis sux and they dont use her now, am i trippin for having a good time with sanis cuz of level or my arena group is buillt diff

[vapid lake]

No i think sanis still good for attack just bad on def

[quick lake]

Uninvested opponents in ur bracket

[vapid lake]

It just my rapipipi higher cp easier to attack with her

[eager mountain]

my sanis is c7 but only 10% atk so sr0 so shes not significantly better then most sanis, offensively

[swift mango]

I think 421+

[tropic summit]

Yeah they look pretty solid, consider putting in P1 s.anis if she has higher lvl doll, would've slightly better dmg reduction on linked nikke

[tropic summit]

S.anis is still one of the strongest B3, her weak point is scarlet but she can eat up a lot of other setups

I use her often against noah setups or with noah to bypass other nukers

[swift mango]

And Cindy+Biscuit as well

If they know what to do with their attack

[eager mountain]

so higher sync is not the reason shes striving for me?

[vapid lake]

Maybe u have success with sanis because c7

[eager mountain]

10% atk ol

tho, c7 def made her better stalling

[umbral belfry]

i think i'm stuck until i get core pvp units

and if i take out naga for biscuit rn, it's a cp drop

[vapid lake]

Focus u campaign team first before investing in pvp

[eager mountain]

shes for p1 defense, and prob worth, tho ur not stuck by the mean that ur c1

[umbral belfry]

yeah that's what i'm doing rn first is alice

[eager mountain]

y are we using this emote

[vapid lake]

Y not

[eager mountain]

[umbral belfry]

then it would be xmaid p1 def + biscuit p2 assuming i did go that route?

i'm still new to learning biscuit, just got her

[spiral onyx]

I've cooked

[eager mountain]

u wont want ur noise to be taunting at p2/3/4, but u also have pepper there, u wanna swap pepper with drake

[umbral belfry]

[coarse lake]

I'm shocked p1 bay cover lasts that long

well ig they only have 2rls, neither doing much dmg

[umbral belfry]

but doesn't that risk noise being ?

to take out pepper?

[eager mountain]

no, u said xmaiden p1, so xmaiden will tank using bis, and noise will be p5 and still burst

[umbral belfry]

ohhhhh

like this? except biscuit for naga?

[eager mountain]

yeah better then og but still a weird team

maybe using bis on other is better

[umbral belfry]

sucks not having more units

[vapid lake]

he no pvp units

[umbral belfry]

[eager mountain]

ik

[vapid lake]

Especially no noah

[umbral belfry]

she's wishlisted pls come home

[eager mountain]

thats why using her on better t2 t3 might be better

noahless

[umbral belfry]

[quick lake]

What were you testing here? Mana as P1 protector?

[spiral onyx]

Kinda, trying to not use any key units from my other teams

[quick lake]

Ahh that’s fair

[spiral onyx]

Seeing what I can put together using Helm and Mana

[eager mountain]

🤔 i tried helm mana stall but didnt work, so nuking instead ig

[spiral onyx]

Helm Mana stall has super high investment requirements and isn't guaranteed to win due to low damage output

[quick lake]

What’s ur take on SAnis in general? Anecdotally she seems to be falling off abit because her dmg seems abit lacking

[spiral onyx]

It also effectively requires Moran, who I am trying to avoid using

[eager mountain]

ic, might built my moran one day to play around

[quick lake]

Noise Cindy vs Blanc SAnis; Cindy seems to win more often than not worse if there’s biscuit/Noah

[spiral onyx]

Moran-Biscuit-SAnis will always be a solid set is what my take is. You won't get a safer CA core other than Jackal-Blanc-Scarlet

[quick lake]

Hmm thats true

[eager mountain]

do i need def lines for moran

[spiral onyx]

"but what about Noah, Noise, Rapunzel, etc?"
Don't forget you have 3 more CA teams to build, if you blow your load all at the start you'll never satisfy her the CA win requirements

[quick lake]

In ur testing, does Blanc + RH buffed Scarlet able to OHKO Moran + SAnis?

Maybe with decent dolls, Moran SAnis teams are able to survive

[spiral onyx]

Really depends on what level CA gets synchronized but unless it's lvl 100 or something, in almost all cases Def is crap and has always been crap

[quick lake]

At 400 sync, 4x def lines was about ~10% less dmg taken last I mathed

[spiral onyx]

Dunno, I don't run those kinds of tests, those type of set ups only matter for SP Arena which I don't cook for anymore

[eager mountain]

moran can gain really high def with s1 so i thought i might need some def lines for her

[spiral onyx]

If I had rocks, I wouldn't waste them trying to roll black def lines on Moran. Id throw them all at my RLs for charge speed

[quick lake]

Yeah definitely just wanted to see how worth it was Moran

[quick lake]

I think Mav or Merry had a 4x Atk Moran that heals alot

[eager mountain]

[quick lake]

There was a vid some where

[eager mountain]

ive also seen moran taking 11111 dmg without cp diff

could it be the 4atk 4def moran the unkillable

[quick lake]

#pvp-arena message
Found it

[eager mountain]

tetsing comps when maintenance hits

i shouldve cliped the moran that lived even longer

[quick lake]

I have Moran that lasted like 2mins because the dmg was 111111

[eager mountain]

yes that

crazy

thats why thinking of getting def lines when i build her in the future

[coarse lake]

High enough def, enemy atk not high enough

Def lines won't do much

[jagged sedge]

Is damage reduction the new meta?

[coarse lake]

Most of her def is from skills

[jagged sedge]

Cube i mean

[coarse lake]

For raw tanking % for %, yes dmg reduction is best

[eager mountain]

🤔 rip the apparent best opportunity for def line to shine for once ig

[quick lake]

The vid was so long that I just stopped recording @eager mountain

49% Def Moran

Dk how useful in the grand scheme of things

[eager mountain]

yes thats similar to the one i dealt with

[coarse lake]

Just use dps with high atk

[jagged sedge]

@coarse lake got it for noise, Noah, and attacks whose doing most dps. Makes sense.

[eager mountain]

i used 48% atk line Emi nuke with 2 buffs, moran lived w/o indom and killed my whole team

[coarse lake]

Biscuited Moran?

Also what 2 buffers

[eager mountain]

forgor, gonna see if i can find screenshots

buffer prob rh and blanc

[coarse lake]

No way Moran lives double buff nuke without invuln

[eager mountain]

yeah i was confused as hell but if they have bis obvious invlun i shouldnt be that confused

[coarse lake]

Even non bursting scar should deal with Moran very easily, high self atk buff independent of full burst

[quick lake]

All dps should kill moran over time

[eager mountain]

btw oregairu was peak

[coarse lake]

Ein probably does well too, true dmg

Almost no one uses ein these days unfortunately, so very little data

[eager mountain]

yeah cant find it f, maybe i was mentally drunk to see her tanking it, makes no sense

[swift mango]

At 30% deficit she will.

Man it was tiring malding hard campaign for hours after clearing a boss...

Nearly ch21 boss now

[eager mountain]

its long asf

and finger burning going thru like 2 ch or more spammming alice

[swift mango]

My finger literally burning touch my hot phone screen...

[brazen ledge]

Ch21 hard ?

How much deficit do you have ?

[swift mango]

Just know that I have the usual CP of someone 10-20 level higher than me. 😀

So I don't mald campaign at high deficit much lol

Imagine needing to play at 30%+ deficit just to catch up with a guy similar level to you playing on phone at 20% deficit lol... Could never be that guy.

[toxic flume]

help with this arena

[vapid lake]

I made someone spend 500 gems on me in the span of 2 days
or he saved those 4 free attempts last month until now

[tropic summit]

SP arena or rookie? rookie looks fine as is

[toxic flume]

sp arena. three teams right?

[tropic summit]

yep, although in your case it's probably best for 2 meta teams and 1 padded, due to just synch lvl 160 and few nikke choice

can you get anis in synchro? we could run 2 3RL teams with pmaid and sbs as main B3s

could also use mana in synchro

and we might need sugar, remove either ein or elegg

go for these 2 teams, 3rd team just auto with whatever is left on high CP

you can swap anis with centi to balance CP a bit and pmaid with SBS (if CP gap between the 2 teams is 2 big)

[toxic flume]

yeah i could

[tropic summit]

oh nice so many free spots

get mana, anis and sugar a spot there and you're good to go

[tropic summit]

hmm we kinda lacking in good B3s and being jackal-less and noah-less 🤔

[umbral belfry]

surely rng will bless me one day with jackal/noah/scarlet

[tropic summit]

well i guess it's time to put biscuit to good use, we can still upgrade a team i think

[umbral belfry]

[tropic summit]

and we might switch approach to 1 CP padded team and 2 meta teams

[umbral belfry]

it's sleepy time for me so i'll check later! ty as always

[toxic flume]

so uh how would team 1,2,3 look like?

[tropic summit]

sleep tight

[tropic summit]

we can try this next btw

[tropic summit]

like my previous message:

#pvp-arena message

[umbral belfry]

is it still worth if this is the cp

[tropic summit]

yeah you gonna need to get biscuit up a bit first

[umbral belfry]

but i guess if t1 wins and t2 wins then

[tropic summit]

keep in mind that team is still rather tanky, as long as they don't just choose to scarlet it

but then that means they don't have scarlet for the other 2

[umbral belfry]

ah yes i see i see

[toxic flume]

this is going to take a bit of farming on skills and equip

[umbral belfry]

okay i'll try it! there's just 1 day left so even if i lose i'll just win it back ty as always!

[toxic flume]

ty ty

[umbral belfry]

and now

[tropic summit]

yeah sugar and mana are fresh in synch, so they're likely to be low on CP

until built, you can consider throwing in a second padded team, make your choice based on your opponents

keep in mind pve investiment takes priority over PvP, so don't stress too much on it

[toxic flume]

i just choose folks with lower cp

[tropic summit]

haha a legit choice

[umbral belfry]

oh wait 1 more thing

what makes t3 tanky outside of biscuit's 5 sec invicinble? i know that moran is p tanky too and bay is anti nuke-ish?

[toxic flume]

it is kinda hard when more than half the lobby has twice or more cp time gated by equipment and lb levels

plus skill points

[tropic summit]

moran gives team wide dmg reduction, bay gives team wide dmg share, biscuit makes bay invulnerable with moran

also moran will taunt in p1

[tender valve]

https://tenor.com/view/magnus-carlsen-magnus-carlsen-chess-checkmate-gif-11643339432039473066

[hoary hill]

Iam down to Challenger 6 again but the one attack i did on the first place cost him his first place in rank how it seems

[tropic summit]

doing it for the greater good

[hoary hill]

Yea

Everyone is back on their rank i think i just stay challenger 6 for now

[shell hazel]

I still got 2 of those left lol 😄

[crystal flicker]

still have 3 lol

[shell hazel]

atm I rarely use both dailies so I don't seem to need them much

[tropic summit]

Leftover stock for the rainy days

[shell hazel]

indeed! 🙂

[swift mango]

There is also @umbral crown

[versed cobalt]

Who's the top PVP Nikkes now? I just got Unique Item Helm. Also, who are the best burst generating Nikkes to use in Special Arena

[jagged sedge]

I have noticed Helm is dope for pvp now. She heals during every burst now and increases the attack.

[keen vapor]

Check the burst gen chart that are in calculators

Those are pinned

As for who are top PVP, Prydwen tier list could give you an idea

[versed cobalt]

Newbie on discord. Where can I see the pinned burst gen charts?

[brazen ledge]

hi, looking to get through this guy, i think only t2 and 3 are doable but i sent all. Here is my box : #pvp-arena message

[keen vapor]

Click on the top bar

[versed cobalt]

Thanks

[keen vapor]

4RL Noah team and... 3 RL Scar team?

[brazen ledge]

the other one is just too high in cp

[keen vapor]

Try scar Blanc RH centi jackal

And Noah biscuit Cinderella Anis Noise

[brazen ledge]

my cindy is pretty trash still

[keen vapor]

Ok, Scarlet Alter

[brazen ledge]

im saying that to everyne, and i try to work on it right after rrh

[keen vapor]

Use Scarlet Alter instead

[brazen ledge]

can i use rumani instead of anis for higher cp ?

523 and 494k cp with these teams

[keen vapor]

It will affect burst rotation

[keen vapor]

That'll be fine

[brazen ledge]

with anis instead of rumani i get to 458k

[keen vapor]

That's barely fine

[brazen ledge]

im trying to overload the gear of everyone

but its long

emilia21 is slower than anis ?

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

No

[brazen ledge]

so can i put her instead of anis for higher cp ?

[keen vapor]

Yeah, is B3

[brazen ledge]

is it a problem ?

[keen vapor]

B1 (Rumani) was a problem

[brazen ledge]

bc rumani was a problem bc of noise, but emilia is behind sbs

ok so i get to 497k

i ll be recording it in case smth goes wrong

idk why but i can't

Completely fine

im trying to do the next one by my own, its hard man

im against this, tell me what you'd do and i show you what i was thinking of so we can compare pls

i was thinking abt that

[keen vapor]

Emilia should be dying right?

[brazen ledge]

I Hope so

[keen vapor]

Scar Rosanna when no link?

[brazen ledge]

Uh

i wanted to use rh on 2nd team and i didn't know which b1 to use

[keen vapor]

Swap the teams

[brazen ledge]

still using rosanna ?

[keen vapor]

Using no buffer for Noah teams is also fine

[brazen ledge]

uh i really have to read more guides

[keen vapor]

Try Noah Noise Biscuit Summer Anis Rapunzel

So you can use RH on Scar team

Blanc against Grave

[brazen ledge]

i lose 40k cp

im at 458 now

bro i don't understand when im supposed to use rosanna

[keen vapor]

Ok, just use the previous teams

[keen vapor]

I never use her

[keen vapor]

But do this

[umbral crown]

Si

Thats the way

[brazen ledge]

isn't she very good ?

[keen vapor]

What do you say Rosy, when to use Rosy

[brazen ledge]

this, but 1st team against t2 and 2nd against t1 ?

[keen vapor]

Yes

Ah right

Using liter instead of Rosanna is also an option

[brazen ledge]

i also thought abt it

but i dont know which one is the best

[umbral crown]

[keen vapor]

I personally prefer to nuke harder than trying to snipe B2 at same speed

[brazen ledge]

Ok I go for liter

Can you recommend me some guides that could help me be less dependent of your approval ?

[swift mango]

Well, I use Rossanna to earn Burst gen from sacr

[keen vapor]

He can't do standard Noah stall team, we aren't doing lv1 sac

[keen vapor]

Never do mirrors
Or rather, never try Blanc indom against Blanc indom

[swift mango]

Then your only option is p1 Drunk Scarlet sacr.

[tropic summit]

Sacc comps (can be CP heavy), break jackal links, snipe attackers (particularly strong against water code, e.g. Emilia)

[brazen ledge]

I don’t know this vocabulary but hhhh

Indom and sacr are terms idk abt

[keen vapor]

Sac from sacrifice

Letting one unsynched unit die to abuse Rosanna skill 2

[brazen ledge]

And echo why did you say that I had no link for Rosanna even though I had jackal link ?

Maybe there’s something I just don’t know

[keen vapor]

You have no link to break on the enemy team

[brazen ledge]

No jackal in the enemy team ?

[keen vapor]

Yes

[brazen ledge]

Or is there other ways to make links ?

[swift mango]

Strong against self harm Scarlet too

[keen vapor]

Bay, but we don't talk about that

[keen vapor]

Is on burst only so let's say is only jackal

[brazen ledge]

So there’s 2 ways to play scarlet ?

[keen vapor]

We also don't talk about Anis or Poli

[brazen ledge]

What are the up do date guides I can watch please ?

[versed cobalt]

Can Rapi:Red Hood be used as Burst I in PVP?

[keen vapor]

#1153017654332883055 is the most up to date thing we have

[brazen ledge]

And nothing online ?

Or maybe I’ll have to find them myself

[keen vapor]

So you read it already?

[brazen ledge]

No I didn’t know it existed

[tropic summit]

Heavy feed due to MG and poor burst gen, not the best choice unless desperate

[keen vapor]

That'll be very hard to do with little return, not recommended

[brazen ledge]

Ill read it and come back afterwards

Thx guys

[keen vapor]

Maybe I should try to do "PVP for dummies" with that yellow cover after all

[swift mango]

The only way I see it is if you used her with Rei.A in attacking and not hitting Jackal

[tropic summit]

Do it echo-sensei

[versed cobalt]

Lacking in burst I. The only other PVP burst I's are Rosanna and Pepper. I wanna use it in a Cinderella-Biscuit-Helm Unique Item-Centi team.

[keen vapor]

Not true, everyone has Neon

[tropic summit]

Hmm your best fit in there is an atk% buff or hp% buff, BIS being noise followed by Rh, liter, mica, as an unbuffed Cindy nuke may not wipe

[swift mango]

Fun Fact that I just found out is that Rapipi could be used with Tia and B.Alice. So Tia and B.Alice are officially not considered as burst stage 1 in SU's book and not just the fan duped B0.

[tropic summit]

Rosa is also a choice to counter jackal offense teams or put pressure on P1/attackers but care on burst gen

[versed cobalt]

My def lineup are:

Cinderella-Pepper-Biscuit-Helm UI-Centi

Tia-Noah-Noise-Summer Anis-Rapunzel

Rumani-Blanc-Scarlet-Emilia-Jackal.

Don't feel like building Neon

[umbral crown]

Do we?

[tropic summit]

Remove that Cindy from P1 and try avoid p2

Any other pos will work

[swift mango]

You also need your Rosa built or she would suicide into Scarlet.

[keen vapor]

Yeah, it surprised me as well

[brazen ledge]

Btw, does it make any real difference to get charge speed ol lines for jackal or centi for example ?

[versed cobalt]

Should I put Centi in POS 1 and go Centi-Cindy-Pep-Helm-Bisc?

[tropic summit]

@keen vapor you explain I'm on phone and 2 lazy

[keen vapor]

If you reach 17% charge speed, yes

[brazen ledge]

Ok that’s all I need to know thx

[umbral crown]

3 lazy

[brazen ledge]

Ig that’s because it allows you to shoot faster enough to get from 3 to 2.5 for example

[tropic summit]

Yeah that's already better, you missing still a buffer tho

[swift mango]

Yeah, starting 10% you could see visible difference

[keen vapor]

1 lazy

[swift mango]

Like catching a Scarlet Nuke with B2 nikke at 2.5rl or not. And catching a 2rl b3 with B1 nikke or not.

[tropic summit]

30 minutes more and done with shift

[brazen ledge]

And it works by levels so like quantum

Ig that’s how it works

[versed cobalt]

Should I put Liter instead of Pepper?

[brazen ledge]

Pepper has better burst generation

[keen vapor]

Pepper buffs

A minuscule amount but still

[brazen ledge]

Liter gives good buffs for nulers

Nukers

[swift mango]

I'm still in trouble deciding if I wanted Adjustant or Tempering to lv7...

[tropic summit]

Check if subbing pepper with liter u're still 2RL and it would be gud enough

[brazen ledge]

That’s some typing that a non English guy would do

[tropic summit]

Blood is 100% bri'ish

[keen vapor]

Perdón

[brazen ledge]

Huh?

[umbral crown]

Haha nope, 5h 30 min to be done

[brazen ledge]

Im not spanish

[versed cobalt]

Also, in my Tia-Noah-Noise-Summer Anis-Rapunzel team for stalling, should I change Tia with Maiden alt? Or keep Tia for shield?

[umbral crown]

[keen vapor]

Sorry

[umbral crown]

A weno

[tropic summit]

Gods that's a lot

[umbral crown]

Si

[swift mango]

Rail has been cooking whole day today...

[umbral crown]

Its an expert chef

When MA?

[tropic summit]

Just during lunch break ironically

[tropic summit]

Cookin' while cooking

[umbral crown]

Cookin while cooking the cook

[tropic summit]

I need to be extra careful not clicking your pfp while at work

[swift mango]

If you wanted to use XMaiden, put her to p5.

[umbral crown]

Just do it and show it to your boss

look at this hot grill

[tropic summit]

Oh he'd approve

He likes grills

[umbral crown]

Oh

[swift mango]

I'm thinking of trying "love and deepspace" just to see both side of scifi degeneration. Wish me luck.

[versed cobalt]

Last question: is my positioning alright? I put Rumani-Blanc-Scarlet drunk-Emilia-Jackal as defense.

[swift mango]

Try Jackal+Blanc+Scarlet+Rumani+Emi

[keen vapor]

Jackal B1?

Is getting really popular this days

[swift mango]

If Jackal is without SR doll

Scarlet+Blanc+Emi+Rumani+Jackal.

---

Why the sudden halt in chatting?

---

I found out about this Otome game from Nikke subreddit no less lol. Peeps of culture truly know of each others.

I thought this kind of action Otome game only existed in Otome-isekai novel and manga before

Truly opened my eyes

[quick lake]

There’s also Tears of Themis from hoyo

[swift mango]

I don't think that game involved controlling you female main character going around to fight monster

[umbral crown]

[quick lake]

Infinity Nikki? idk if its joseimuke

hm its not

[swift mango]

This kind of actions lol... I think it's the first of this kind of gacha. Only existed in Otome Isekai stories before.

[shell hazel]

is the game actually any good though lol

[swift mango]

The female MC would go around with their boy friend as assistant to fight monster.

Outside of that there also the usual romance dating ofc...

[shell hazel]

it was pulling in big numbers for revenue but I just assumed it was some sort of degen crowd 😄

[quick lake]

There’s been recently more female oriented gacha games/open world

[tropic summit]

Isn't that one meant for female audience tho? 🤔

[quick lake]

Yeah, Love and Deep space just husbando

[tropic summit]

Blood is a grill?

[shell hazel]

the game profile pic definitely points to it

[swift mango]

And gay audience also.

[swift mango]

Nah

[umbral crown]

A new grill has awaken

[swift mango]

I just a curious Otome manga reader

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

Many Otome Isekai are popular, not only girl read it.

[umbral crown]

Once a grill, always a grill

[shell hazel]

I quite like the villainess anime ngl

https://tenor.com/view/katarina-claes-catarina-claes-hotto-idke-fieryrage-gif-17557288

Bakarina best MC

[swift mango]

My first exposed to this kinda genre was Bakarina and "Fiance's observation log of the self proclaimed villainess" lol

2 classics.

[shell hazel]

I really want a villainess anime to go full evil though they just don't tend to, instead it's trying to be good

[swift mango]

There are actual "pretty" evil MC just those series no very popular

[shell hazel]

I want full on revenge kick, john wick style they killed my dog etc

[swift mango]

This is not a manga discord haha but closest I had seen and remember the name was

"The One Within the Villainess"

[shell hazel]

haha yeah very true will stop going off-topic, but no one asking questions atm so we hide in plain sight 😄

[swift mango]

I was the one who started it so guilty as charged

[shell hazel]

I prefer anime to manga like the animation and voiced characters and things! but that is my last comment on it here to prevent massive off-topic

[swift mango]

Well, I remember seeing on guy spamming "S-ex" in question chat before so pretty sure people went off topic all the time.

[strong hull]

Team building alway off topic

[tropic summit]

like question chat

[swift mango]

Here is a sneakpeek of that manga.

[strong hull]

Indeed

We even discuss about gfl2 team building at team building

For 1h straight

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/silvio-dante-the-sopranos-just-when-i-thought-i-was-out-they-pull-me-back-in-gif-25807291

[strong hull]

Question chat is like #nikke2

[swift mango]

Relevant topic indeed

[shell hazel]

5 volumes, is it cursed to never end like most things? 😄

[strong hull]

It will become worse when shido hop in

I know the moment that clown show up ill be off topic asf

[keen vapor]

Where team building for GFL1

[strong hull]

CN only

[keen vapor]

[strong hull]

[swift mango]

Well, it's monthly or bi-monthly. Scan team won't drop it. Publisher probably not either. It's popular enough.

[shell hazel]

[mighty haven]

@limber patrol

why are you and everyone in C7-10 whales

[tropic summit]

the power of money runs strong in that bracket

[swift mango]

Either that or another @keen vapor account

[keen vapor]

Those whales will pay

[shell hazel]

with their wallets

🤑

[strange rain]

ik its early but im the first to get into my pvp bracket are there any teams i can pull off ?

[tropic summit]

sp arena or rookie?

also is that a different account? I remember we made you a rookie team a while back 🤔

#pvp-arena message

go for a buffed ein nuke with what you've seems to be the best approach

[shell hazel]

I still think it's best to not put your absolute top tier team in rookie def as it gives people a chance to test your teams for free

[tropic summit]

at synch lvl 95 it won't matter much

[shell hazel]

not coming 1st in rookie arena is fine and losing some matches means you can auto win some easier ones also

I tend to float anywhere from 2nd to like 7th 😄

[strange rain]

ye its a new one

[mighty haven]

Does changing Naga to Noise make that team 2RL?

[strange rain]

sp rn

[tropic summit]

nah, not even close, it's also quantumless

[mighty haven]

Quantums wont change much

[strong hull]

Could be 2.5 if lv3

[tropic summit]

yup

[tropic summit]

not even

[strong hull]

Im gonna try crown sac + Flora Ein

Crown Flora Ein Ros jack

[mighty haven]

[strong hull]

How you think

[tropic summit]

throw an helm treasured and noah then it becomes interesting tho

[mighty haven]

yeah thats investment + pull luck

[strange rain]

ty are there 2 more i can pull off ?

[shell hazel]

treasure helm ... so far away 😦

[strong hull]

@lunar dirge var check

[shell hazel]

how many things do I need for 1st treasure stage?

[strong hull]

[mighty haven]

just SR15 + 30 Bond

[lunar dirge]

back to super clowning 3 state?

[strong hull]

Yes

[mighty haven]

[shell hazel]

30 bond oof, I have been working some on that

[strong hull]

Almost ultra clowning rn

[shell hazel]

I have 30 of the treasure items

none needed for 1st stage?

[mighty haven]

None needed for 1st stage

[shell hazel]

alright thanks!

[strong hull]

Crown Ein Centi tHelm Jackal even better than that shit

[mighty haven]

If all you want is Helm for PvP, however La+ must be full treasure to be effective

[strong hull]

[swift mango]

More than half of my SPa aren't in my rookie. The top guy on my rookie isn't in my spA either

[mighty haven]

And if you really want to burn bond

[tropic summit]

eh it's really early for you, at best 2 teams and 1 CP padded

[mighty haven]

....how on earth you cooked that 3RL team

[tropic summit]

with a lot of copium

[swift mango]

My drake already maxed way before her treasure

[shell hazel]

I see quite a lot of cross over on my side but not everyone

[lunar dirge]

plat

go touch the damn grass

[tropic summit]

just reached it a few minutes ago

[lunar dirge]

[tropic summit]

i must say blue is nicer to see than green

[mighty haven]

ggclaps

[tropic summit]

one of my fav colors

[lunar dirge]

yap too much for pvp'er

[swift mango]

My favorite color is green though so it fits just right

[tropic summit]

i can't go higher than this

[glad meteor]

[tropic summit]

unspent SP arena attempt

[strong hull]

Nice whaling

[strange rain]

guys do you know if the pvp bracket is determined when you create an account of when u join the pvp server ?

[tropic summit]

bathe into my wonderful f2p costumes

[tropic summit]

it is, bracket and server are assigned based on account creation date

[strange rain]

gotcha ty

[swift mango]

Account creation most likely.

[swift mango]

And that means my current account started one day later than others in my bracket as it's my 2nd account in this Gmail account lol...

My first account was on Global and it got Mari so I reroll..

[tropic summit]

my current main was a non-reroll account cuz i was tired of rerolling and just went with it, turned out i got RH 2 weeks down, fortunately

[swift mango]

Then somehow come back to the account for 2nd account on SEA and got Elegg

[tropic summit]

i'd be so screwed if i didn't cuz i was running with poli and helm

[swift mango]

So I was about 1-2 day late than the rest of my locate bracket

[tropic summit]

RIP

but it turned out for the best, you've survived

[strong hull]

[mighty haven]

and look how strong HelmT is now

[tropic summit]

yes, i had to put her back into synchro and re-invest skills cuz i had resetted her

fate is funny sometimes

the most ballsy move SU could do is give Crow a treasure and make her top meta, people would probaby murder them

[mighty haven]

er..

[tropic summit]

nono it's not happening

it must not happen

[swift mango]

Crow for president

Crown Alt will be top tier Pilgrim in 2026

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/squid-game-gongyoo-gongjicheol-south-gif-23740683

we need to get you into the game above all games 😄

[tender valve]

top 1 always its fine

[limber rampart]

what is this tool? can i get the link?

[lunar dirge]

go higher than my whale,only then i'll accept you as a true c1

[keen vapor]

On pins

[mighty haven]

5 more

[tropic summit]

i don't gem, need those to roll for collab units

i'd rather ch3-ch6 than waste gems in endless battles against whales

[tropic summit]

here you go:

#pvp-arena message

you can also use this one, mobile friendly: https://nikke-deck.web.app/

[tropic summit]

nah, i can't fight a leviathan, let em rot in that ch1

[tender valve]

btw welcome to arena champion 🤝

[limber rampart]

what happens with this? 🥲

[tropic summit]

that's a very large amount of copium

6RL or 7RL 🤔

unless your CP is insane, then it works

[limber rampart]

ohhh if it out of 4rl it will not show right?

[tropic summit]

mhm

anything above 4RL doesn't get a threshold, although you can guess it

try to include in your teams at least 1 clip RL, maximun 1 clip SG and avoid, if possible, any MG/SMG nikke

to give you a few hints, try making teams with these patterns:

typical jackal:

-p1 attacker and indom target (1st or 2nd highest atk%)
-blanc
-2nd attacker or buffer
-battery
-jackal

[fathom rock]

Rail
They caught on
The sg defense no longer works

[tropic summit]

surprised it took them that long if anything

if they're that stupid, you could cook better def and might still surprise them

[fathom rock]

Time to cook again

[fathom rock]

Palad fought me 4 times today to crack it and now he attacks me within a few hours after I log off
Been hardstuck diamond 3

[tropic summit]

meh, we gotta get you back at least in ch9 or ch8

remind me, that laplace was treasured or nah?

[fathom rock]

She is
Helm ain't yet

[tropic summit]

oke doke

[fathom rock]

Centi is the point of cp dipping

[tropic summit]

oh that's plenty material then

[brazen ledge]

Oh you got to platinum rail

[tropic summit]

yep, happened today

[fathom rock]

Hey maybe 2 more resets and I can start working on rapunzel ol

[tropic summit]

that, and rumani is very low on CP too

[brazen ledge]

I’ve read the PvP guide from there, but there isn’t much about how to build teams against other ones, Yk where I could find that ?

[fathom rock]

Yeah I ran out of dolls to give units so centi no doll too

[tropic summit]

how about giving this a read? it gives you a clue about individual nikke strengths and cons

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1R6qzhnPx85kEoYidYUs-K0hJy61APMQGj5nRSgdvRUU/edit?gid=0#gid=0

you can stop after Tier A-

[brazen ledge]

I already have that tier list

That’s the one I already use

[tropic summit]

then you should've a clue on how fast, stalling and sustain oriented teams work

you're gonna face mostly one of those

[brazen ledge]

No I dont

[tropic summit]

[fathom rock]

Yo do I pickup 2 selectors for centi and rumani?

[brazen ledge]

Ive read 1 letter here for each nikke

[tropic summit]

well i did 🤔

unless you got other priority nikke

[brazen ledge]

You won’t get lv 15 R before ?

[fathom rock]

Hell no I can't afford this shit for over 20 units

[brazen ledge]

||ive played these games beforeeeee||

[fathom rock]

Only the ones I plan to sr5 get the r doll

[brazen ledge]

So just sr lvl 1 ok

Imma do the same

[tropic summit]

let's do a little homework, try to pick 2 of these teams and make a counter based on what you know, we can start from there.

To give you a hint:

-T1 has scarlet and has indom
-T2 has a noah 3RL but high feed (2SGs)
-T3 standard 3RL cindy nuke

[tropic summit]

can you check if maxwell has more atk% than your emilia?

i might've something for ya

(OL count too)

[fathom rock]

Mw : 8.29% atk, 94336 base no cube
Emilia : 11.81% + 6.88% atk, 84561 base no cube
Mw has more atk than rh despite being r0 wtf

[tropic summit]

hmm interesting

that's fine, i've got it then

[fathom rock]

I'll have to nerf mw cube for that to work

[tropic summit]

noise centi cind alice rumani
sbs blanc la+ ein jackal
noah biscuit emi rh rapu

we can put la+ instead of rapu in T3 if you need to balance further CP

[fathom rock]

Lemme check

[tropic summit]

we also still have pmaid and xmaiden open for variation

i was thinking we can try a double buff pmaid if SBS fails you

but let's start with these 3 imo

[tropic summit]

distribution for reference:

[limber rampart]

Does 2nd round winable?

[fathom rock]

Very winnable

[tropic summit]

second round sure, you've liter and RRH feed on jackal in p1, you'll burst also first

[fathom rock]

[tropic summit]

dayum CP looks pretty nice

you sure you wanna burst with RH instead of emi tho? emi p3 and rh p4

[fathom rock]

Oopsie

[tropic summit]

rapu is there just to give noah a second proc of biscuit

an alternative would be to put rapu p3 to revive in case they kill your emi, but let's go with this approach first (emi without buffed nuke is kinda meh)

[fathom rock]

Thanks

[tropic summit]

i've in case another 2 plans for your def, let's go with this and see for now

[fathom rock]

I hate how my emi has no ammo rolls should I fix that

[tropic summit]

hmm we're not running her indommed so it's actually fine

[fathom rock]

Not having the low ammo ptsd of noah soloing my emilia again so running crown

[tropic summit]

oh yeah on attack that's neat

just abusable on def if they run scarlet on ya

[eager mountain]

sh*t didnt went well, he did it first try again
note: rolled a 12 atk + 10 elem for rosa
emi had 48 atk line, noise 32
gonna drive so will be back in a while

[coarse lake]

how did maiden get invuln

[tropic summit]

wew, the guy knows what he doing if he handled both 2.5RL and 2RL 🤔

[fathom rock]

Usually its noah this time maiden
Idk how but I'm used to this happening

[eager mountain]

my own def team was 2rl 2rl 3rl back then, brb

[tropic summit]

@eager mountain i guess we gonna need to run a more aggresive indom and perhaps tweak scarlet with rosanna afterall

we want them to waste a lot of cards on scarlet

i'm thinking their other choice was probably noah

[coarse lake]

biscuit prio is so weird

no chance chipped maiden lives through a hit that cindy gets 1 tapped by

then there's also maiden getting invuln out of nowhere without taking any dmg prior, did not even see biscuit invuln heal

[tropic summit]

i'm gonna look again at your box and come up with another version

#pvp-arena message

[glad meteor]

RH probably

If it was emi hit, invul would last longer

[coarse lake]

oh wait I think I see

rapu b1 triggered it

well...

no it still doesn't make sense, is it even possible to invuln without taking any immune dmg prior

maybe it is

if so then that last crit rh hit was the trigger, and biscuit s2 was fast enough that you don't see the drop below 50%, she had extra heal tick there, likely from s2

[cedar orbit]

my XMaiden+Helm defense worked, opponent probably ran unprotected P1 and got 1-tapped

[fathom rock]

Isn't that the biscuit heal

[cedar orbit]

it's Rapunzel

[glad meteor]

There’s 2 heals

[fathom rock]

Bottom one rapunzel s1
Upper one biscuit s2

Here rapunzel s1 and burst values

[wicked burrow]

What team is technically better? I'm currently using the second one and it does well enough, rarely loses even against higher cp teams but still loses sometimes (to faster gen I think or sbs burst) should I even bother?

[cedar orbit]

yeah, you are right

[cedar orbit]

both bad, but I guess you are new and these teams have high CP

[fathom rock]

T1 and reposition it so that the bursting b3 is on p1 (not xmaid)

[wicked burrow]

Isn't the most left one focused the most?

Cuz it's always the case with my another party

[cedar orbit]

they are linked with Jackal, so 3 units share dmg

[mighty haven]

[fathom rock]

Right one will die before burst lmao

[wicked burrow]

My second atk team is
Alice noah liter soda noise

Also doing quite well

[fathom rock]

Oh you mean unit
P1 and p5 mainly, mostly p1

[willow crest]

Hi, I'm not focused so much on the world of pvp cuz I feel is kind of complex understand the mechanics and synergy between the nikkes. I would like to get help for making a bit of universal team for Special Arena (if that isn't impossible) just for get a bit more gems. These are the nikkes I'm missing

[cedar orbit]

you guys getting attacked in rookie arena?

[cedar orbit]

I'm sorry man, but you are missing the 2 most important Pilgrims, your account is bricked

[wicked burrow]

I have biscuit and pepper but not sure I want to invest in them, I invested a bit in jackal (3 ol) when I had no meta to ol but now I got some better nikkes to lvl cuz cp grind will require good lines anyway

[mighty haven]

......there are alternatives to Noah

[tropic summit]

let's try this next

T1 ros will prevent them from using jackal
T2 forces their hand to commit a noah or biscuit
T3 has nasty splash for p1 and p2 + emi nuke post invulnerability, they need noah 4RL+, rosanna or a quick scarlet

[willow crest]

Yeah, I got very unlucky with Scarlet and Noah sadly, even with the new Wishlist

So there's nothing to do?

[mighty haven]

you want bricked? no doro or rapunzel in 4800 pulls

[cedar orbit]

alternatives to Noah on offense, not on defense

[mighty haven]

......Nero/Moran/Bay......

[cedar orbit]

we can do something, I'm sure Railtracer is cooking up something

[cedar orbit]

none of them can charge

or protect you for 3 seconds from S.Anis

[fathom rock]

Row 2 is just the pvp row

[mighty haven]

You can work around those with other setups, if you were willing to mald

[fathom rock]

There is

[tropic summit]

post your box with nikke ordered by strength, that way we see investiment aswell

[cedar orbit]

you mean your opponent is going to work around your Noah wannabes when he attacks

[willow crest]

I mean, i kind of have something but I wanted to see if I can make something better now having a bit more of pvp nikkes

[mighty haven]

I mean, my Noah in defense is in my lowest CP team....so thats a moot point

[fathom rock]

Oh wait I see
2b
Lv335
Yes there is nothing we can do

[willow crest]

Not that great, as F2P I did the investment into Solo Raid/Boss nikkes

[tropic summit]

gonna take a look

as Retro pointed out, it seems you took a bit of a break, so you'll be behind in sync compared to opponents

[willow crest]

Some nikkes I don't have them in the synchro so they are below

[tropic summit]

any treasured nikke so far btw?

e.g. laplace or helm

[coarse lake]

yeah that 362k is biscuit

[willow crest]

Not really, just bad moves like getting stuck for a very long time in the 160 wall cuz "I wanted to save gems"

[coarse lake]

but I didn't see any visual of her even dropping below 50%, so that's weird

[tropic summit]

oooh i see, no problem

[willow crest]

Getting worked on them, I did Helm and Laplace, Frima and Exia getting in the work also saving for the rest (not viper sadly)

[tropic summit]

so helm has s1 and s2 maxed?

(that's needed for her to fulfil battery role to her max)

[willow crest]

Nope, if that's a problem I can focus on investing into pvp

[cedar orbit]

S2 levels are not needed for battery

[tropic summit]

hmm oke we'll keep it in mind, last question, you got a jackal and rumani down there?

[cedar orbit]

not gonna lie, I really want to lvl 10 her S2

[tropic summit]

yeah only s1 actually

[willow crest]

Only jackal, rumani is missing

[tropic summit]

ok start throwing jackal in synch in the meantime let's see what we got

[willow crest]

Done

[glad meteor]

Helm s2 pretty good. Scar blanc helm xmaiden is pretty strong

[cedar orbit]

you mean Noise, Centi, Cindy, XMaiden, Helm are pretty strong

[tropic summit]

do you've quantum lvl 7? 🤔

[willow crest]

Lvl 5

[tropic summit]

hmm oke, well our choices are kinda limited, but we can at least give you some directions

[willow crest]

Yeah, I didn't cared about pvp that much and my luck didn't help getting the pvp units lol

[tropic summit]

naga centi cind anis noise
sbs blanc rh emi jackal
auto team (just drop in any high CP nikke leftover)

cubes:

quantum on anis, jackal, centi
vigor on noise, blanc
run any other high lvl cube on the remaining

build/wishlist (in order of priority)

jackal, biscuit, noah, rapu, rumani, xmaiden, scarlet
possibly get helm treasured asap, consider treasuring laplace in a second place

Teams you can aim toward to while you're getting the above done are the ones in the second table

-emi, noise, jackal need to have doll SR5 or R15
-try to get everyone at least on R15 or SR5, in particular nikke in p1, p2 or used as indom target (emi, SBS) and jackal

the nikke you see in the red squares are those you currently either have not built or gotta find, teams on the left are the ones you could form as of right now and temporarely

take ur time reading the stuff above, if you got any question hit me up

[willow crest]

I got laplace treasure maxed but sadly I cant use cuz I'm missing noah, that hurts

[tropic summit]

oh if that's the case we can upgrade slightly T1

replace anis with la+

give quantum to either centi or la+ to retain team on 3RL burst gen speed

[willow crest]

If i get more space on the quantum cube what I should do?

[tropic summit]

you want all your batteries to run quantum, that'd be:

jackal, centi, rumani, anis, with some exceptions sometimes also helmT or emilia

[wicked burrow]

Since there are some pros can I have some help as well? This is what I'm using now and stay 7-10 easily with back to back fighting but defending from many D1 guys. Avg of other on attack is probably 330-360k

I had ein instead of noir before in T3 but thought noir is better

Cuz ein bursted but I assumed sbs burst is better and then ein is not useful

But maybe she still is

[tropic summit]

hmm T1 is sort of OK but the other 2 are a bit weird, post your nikke in order of strength so we can tell investiment and make some improvements

[wicked burrow]

Obviously pepper and biscuit are priorities

But I'm not sure if I want to focus on them right now since getting around 7-10 is still quite easy, and I have other pve nikkes to ol/improve lines, although right now I lack needed pieces on pve nikkes so can ol some pvp ones

Maybe I should put sbs in the second team with Alice cuz they obviously work good together

[willow crest]

I see, about defense this is good or I should change them?

[brazen ledge]

1st team is …

You don’t have scarlet but you don’t use Cinderella

Nor rei nor sbs

[willow crest]

That team is like uh, 4* months old

almost 5

[tropic summit]

scarlet blanc liter xmaiden jackal
centi cind bsoda anis noise
ein sbs noir d.kw noah

cubes

quantum on xmaiden, jackal, centi, anis
vigor on blanc
any other nikke use high lvl cube remaining

build/wishlist: RH, biscuit, rapunzel, rumani
get helm treasured asap

[tropic summit]

replace those teams with this, because:

T1 can't nuke properly (pmaid won't benefit from crown burst), high feed (2 SGs + MG)
T2 unprotected blanc is an high risk, you won't get emi indommed
T3 high feed 3 SGs

for the rest just follow what i suggested earlier, #pvp-arena message

[wicked burrow]

Why no sanis anywhere?

[tropic summit]

can't fit her anywhere atm because you lack a proper team for her, you could use her instead of scarlet as indom target

although that makes that team counterable

[willow crest]

So for the last team i should drop any high combat nikke?

[tropic summit]

yeah just put any high CP remaining nikke, until you've built the ones in the suggestion

high CP team would work better than any other combo you've left atm due to the nikke you lack

[cedar orbit]

that 1 guy running Sakura

but tbh, don't think I've ever died to SBS with Biscuit

[tropic summit]

indeed, SBS hard countered by that

biscuit is her doom

[wicked burrow]

But I'm not sure it's gonna work cp wise 265/270/287 I'll just get cp diffed probably

I'm pretty sure it will be 80-100k diff

But well, gonna try focusing on more PvP units

So as for biscuit pepper Moran, should I invest in any of them now?

[cedar orbit]

Biscuit

[tropic summit]

well at the cost of increasing feed but giving you extra CP, we can sub anis for b.soda and moving naga in

the other teams are hard to touch as we're already pushing it

[wicked burrow]

I see

[tropic summit]

for reference, this was distribution per strength

the number on the right is team assigned

[wicked burrow]

Hmm, I see

[tropic summit]

you've also a second option if you feel like CP is impacting your teams too much, commit to 2 teams and just CP pad a 3rd

you can try this for example:

[cedar orbit]

asked my special arena mate to hit my 2 RL Cindy team with the CN Cindy stall

[wicked burrow]

And 3rd is just the most cp nikkes?

[willow crest]

Oh I see, thanks so much for your help, i will try to invest more into pvp so I can make a better team (and i hope I get noah or scarlet)

[faint sphinx]

could i get help with beating this team please

[wicked burrow]

These are 311/288

Which is better yeah

[tropic summit]

yep correct

[wicked burrow]

Oh missed centi and put Maxwell, first got to 300k

Honestly I'm afraid if noise dying too fast cuz of her taunt but maybe they gen fast enough

Third one went weird with modernia and Leona so I changed them, now it's
Sbs ssakura liter Alice noah, probably weird burst but my sbs has 10% charge speed and Alice on top maybe she'll carry

[tropic summit]

noise will be fine, she's in p5

[wicked burrow]

Okay

[tropic summit]

as for your CP padded team yeah it's a 5RL

but it has a chance as long as liter, alice and noah survive

might actually work regardless

[wicked burrow]

I see

Well I'll give it a try today last day anyway if I defend against some guy I couldn't before I'm cool with it or at least defend against the same guys as before

[tropic summit]

sure give it a shot

[cedar orbit]

what if you just copied his team

[tame meteor]

I suck at PvP, help me beat this team

[cedar orbit]

yo, that's my defense team, leave me alone

[tame meteor]

No. Stop beating me up 🙂

[tame meteor]

Thanks babe, I'll give it a shot lol

[whole pawn]

can i win?

@tropic summit

[whole pawn]

maybe this is better

[faint sphinx]

i get cp gapped by his team

[keen vapor]

I'd say yes

[whole pawn]

the other team?

nvm I started , we go in

[keen vapor]

Rumani version is better

[whole pawn]

nah i lost the rumani version

[keen vapor]

That Rapi team looks like 4 or 5 RL

[keen vapor]

No way, you should have bursted at 2 RL and they never

[eager mountain]

still no La+ yet, maybe emi high atk line gives extra reason to get her before ca
also doesn't rosa + iron pressure easily beat t1 instead of actually forcing out their cards

[whole pawn]

this is t1

i will swap t1 and t2 cuz i lost the t2 against cindy

[cedar orbit]

you don't have Noah, your Scarlet Blanc will get CP gapped, you can't eat Cindy nuke, you can't 1-tap them either

[keen vapor]

How

Hmmmm guess you aren't killing biscuit

[faint sphinx]

yeah I just dunno what to do, I tried doing 3rl I think Cindy but my Cindy doesn't one tap them

[keen vapor]

You're on deficit

[tropic summit]

hmm good point let's go with that

if anything we rose threat on T1 and increased odds on T3 with pressure pre burst

there's only 1 biscuit and 1 noah they can spare 🤔

[cedar orbit]

idk how your Cindies can't 1-tap Biscuit. Mine overkills defenders in 1-hit.

[keen vapor]

Noise buff?

[cedar orbit]

yeah

[eager mountain]

i still dont see a reason running that t1.
ugh f i reset la months ago and i dont have books for both la and upcoming banners, even if i teasure her rn i wont have good skill investment or even gears

[cedar orbit]

into 3.8 mil hp Biscuit

[eager mountain]

maybe that mf is just good enough to strike all the diff def comp i swapped into
tho used to burn both his attempts

[tropic summit]

well can make T1 rosannaless if you feel like it does more impact 🤔

do you've centi/jackal/anis on 17% CS btw?

any of those 3

[eager mountain]

nope, all clip rl and noah only have 9.8-10 cs, except anis only 4.9

[tropic summit]

aww nvm then

[eager mountain]

[tropic summit]

well if anything your opponent isn't dumb, if he's made it against 2 teams 2RL and against several variations

[eager mountain]

dumb thing is that i used to run no atk line rosa in def and worked for whatever reason

[tropic summit]

haha

probably got some random sacc or they kept leaving their attacker open

[eager mountain]

15 crit% line doing rng wonders

[tropic summit]

eh might aswell be

[brazen ledge]

Guys, how do you counter og scarlet ? I don’t remember

[eager mountain]

if in doubt, noah

[tropic summit]

vs 3RL indom scarlet

[eager mountain]

yeah i feel like hes learning more recently

[brazen ledge]

How do you have faster than 3 rl bursts ?

[tropic summit]

lots of clip RL or helmT

[eager mountain]

rail has a lib of clips ready for showcasing solutions

[tropic summit]

sadly not having emilia is restricting me or i'd have those too

[eager mountain]

emilialess

[tropic summit]

bricked, it's over

fortunately @quick lake shares in this misery

[eager mountain]

maybe u can use mine to run tests, its also higher sync env for extra data lol

[cedar orbit]

it's very rare for me to run Emilia burst, putting her on defense to burst is just inting

[tropic summit]

eh i dunno i've learned a lot from watching others or having to deal against her myself at least

[eager mountain]

emi def kinda weak ya

in general

[tropic summit]

emi needs a backup B3 in most def cases

rosanna/2RLs are her doom being water code

either that, or a mana/rapu

[eager mountain]

yep

the real pros is nuke + insane burst gen, so consume less resources, hits harder then scar burst

but need extra protecc with that delay...

[umbral belfry]

[tropic summit]

wait a minute

this is still 3RL?!

you don't need la+ for T3 afterall

now question is how to make T1 threatening enough to make them blunder

[coarse lake]

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[real ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/die-gif-19994597

[tropic summit]

thank you

[zinc lion]

Thank you

[real ocean]

but yes thank you

[tropic summit]

@eager mountain

you got any idea for indom carry and buffer or 2nd B3?

since we can assume they're dealing accordingly with scarlet, might be worth trying something else

[whole pawn]

wdym

[whole pawn]

@keen vapor this is T2

this is t3

[keen vapor]

Well, you don't show the rounds

[whole pawn]

and this is T1
and I lost T1 and lost T2 and won t3

[whole pawn]

I literally said that Cindy comp lost

[whole pawn]

...

now I have one entry, can I even beat this guy to reach chal 9?

[keen vapor]

If your biscuit team faces that Rei team you're on deficit

[whole pawn]

would be better tO use cindy comp against Alice comp?

[whole pawn]

I can swap rumani with xmaiden

[keen vapor]

Then you become slow as well

[whole pawn]

but they are slow too

it doesn't matter if I m slower with rumani, at least I would burst faster than them

[coarse lake]

so uh

[keen vapor]

Hi Eon...

[coarse lake]

apparently, it's possible for biscuit s2 to proc twice at the same time on the same defender

[keen vapor]

Yes, I'm living proof of that

[eager mountain]

jackel Blanc in general is Rosa food, I honestly donno tbh, that’s why I personally don’t run blanc scar def cuz it’s ez for me to break theirs

[coarse lake]

if the defender gets dropped to so little hp that the first s2 proc fails to bring it above 50%, the second also triggers, just lost a easy win bc of it

[eager mountain]

f it we bulk it with xmaiden

[keen vapor]

Yes, I need to invest Biscuit

[tropic summit]

mhm makes sense

[keen vapor]

This isn't new for me Eon

Not in the slightest

[tropic summit]

well we could move blanc in p3 then and have the 2 linked nikke in p1 and p2 @eager mountain 🤔

either that or get the team to 2.5RL or 2RL

[eager mountain]

that’s pretty much the 3 teams I used back then

[keen vapor]

You always ignore my suffering Eon

[tropic summit]

link breaks generally around 2RL speed

[tropic summit]

dayum then he broke those too uh

[coarse lake]

what are you guys dealing with

[keen vapor]

Everything

[whole pawn]

I will try that and tell you how it ends

[tropic summit]

def teams at high sync 🤔

[coarse lake]

want rosa resist? run scar/blanc/rosa/xmaiden/jackal

[eager mountain]

yep, was 2rl rosa scar, 2rl/3rl stall Cindy/sanis, and 3rl indom emi, used to give him nightmare

[coarse lake]

you don't need xmaiden on cindy team, run rumani as backup b1