pvp-arena

[tropic summit]

if anything it helps training it or keeping it fresh? 🤨

[eager mountain]

we need to train an ai rail to replace u

[tropic summit]

i actually did propose a few weeks back to make some sort of win ratio % on generators based on matchups, but it got scrapped cuz too much work

[eager mountain]

[brazen ledge]

went for rumani instead of anis for higher cp, 1st team is 511k, 2nd is 465

[tropic summit]

14% deficit against an indom scarlet...

let's take a different approach, don't like those odds

[brazen ledge]

i have just everything besides makima and the other csm nikkes

[tropic summit]

let's see if you can push your numbers against T2, which is easier but just padded harder

[brazen ledge]

i have built rosanna if she can be useful

[tropic summit]

box is this

#pvp-arena message

#pvp-arena message

[brazen ledge]

yes

[tropic summit]

how's these 2 doing CP wise

[brazen ledge]

534, 538

[eager mountain]

3rl rosa might do it for t3

[tropic summit]

to kill scarlet? yeah that'd be also a choice

[tropic summit]

15,3% deficit

[brazen ledge]

campaign team is at 600

[eager mountain]

t2 just so a similar cindy cp team but add a burst gen, also their p2 noise feeds so shouldnt be an issue

[brazen ledge]

my cindy is trash

7/4/7

[umbral crown]

Ola otra vez

[tropic summit]

whats ur campaign team like tho?

[eager mountain]

their t2 is at best 5rl + tia if shes somehow alive

[umbral crown]

Nero/Moran/Ein/Emilia/Rapunzel

[tropic summit]

not you but thank you Rosy

now i can sleep better at night

[umbral crown]

[brazen ledge]

crown rrh rh alice naga or smth like that

[umbral crown]

Better sleep during the day

[brazen ledge]

sometimes mod, sometimes maxwell...

[tropic summit]

meh screw it, go with this

[brazen ledge]

whats that pfp bruh

do i have to show you my cindy ?

youre going to cry

[tropic summit]

she can't be THAT bad, she's pretty high on top

just record it in case they're running CS% on jackal and centi

[brazen ledge]

7/4/7 11% atk

thats how well shes built

[tropic summit]

how about your SBS?

[brazen ledge]

98k cp, scarlet is nearly at 130k

sbs is at 122k

[tropic summit]

ok throw SBS instead of cindy

[brazen ledge]

535 and 524

[umbral crown]

A nice pfp

[umbral crown]

My sbs would never

[brazen ledge]

heh

[brazen ledge]

????

[umbral crown]

She is at the brink of reset

[brazen ledge]

i go for it, i can't record so well see after if anything went wrong

[umbral crown]

Whats your sync?

[brazen ledge]

373

@tropic summit everything went correctly

for the moment i ask for your help so later i can do all of that by myself

[tropic summit]

well you'll learn the more of these matches you fight

it's all good experience

[brazen ledge]

the next are one of these 3

[tropic summit]

check if you can get at least 2 teams in CP range

[brazen ledge]

last one is good i think

i think i can hit him easily

yes i can lol, i did it yesterday

[tropic summit]

oh then you already know their teams and counter i guess

if the other two are no good, go for it i guess

[brazen ledge]

600k+ teams for the other 2

[glad meteor]

Nier bracket

[keen vapor]

When you started Fury?

[keen vapor]

Nvm

[umbral crown]

Give

[brazen ledge]

First account, I don’t really remember, second this summer

Why ?

[umbral belfry]

@tropic summitwait, is Moran + Bay better or Moran + Biscuit? I'm not changing things rn until Biscuit gets more CP (tbh she's about the same as my bay rn), but was curious

[tropic summit]

lemme redirect you to someone who knows Bay way better than me

@glad meteor @quick lake

[umbral belfry]

thanks lmao

[glad meteor]

Both have their pros and cons.

Moran bay can counter cindy. I don’t think it can counter indom buffed scar.

Moran biscuit counters single target dps but loses to buffed cindy and scar jackal

[umbral belfry]

so it's situational mostly then?

[glad meteor]

Yeah, depends if they use cindy on your moran team. Otherwise I’d go biscuit

[umbral belfry]

i think there's only one person with cindy in my bracket but idk if they use her vs my moran bay team. maybe i'll keep it as it is for now then

[eager mountain]

never used bay for once cuz i dont even have her

[quick lake]

Who even uses Bay these days? My bracket

[eager mountain]

used to see one or two of her until shes completely gone

[quick lake]

Bay still pretty niche for the average player

Not as universal as Noah

[eager mountain]

the noahless special

at least noah is wishlistable now but lol 1/1000 chance

day1 was like 1/1200 ish

[umbral belfry]

that's me i'm the average player + noahless in question

[frozen nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/waah-waa-sad-wah-waaah-gif-25875771

Didn't work, again

[eager mountain]

clip?

[frozen nebula]

defense

[eager mountain]

indom emilia ig

[tropic summit]

need that treasured helm asap

[frozen nebula]

Just phase 1 or all 3?

[eager mountain]

2

phase 1 is still good

want lv10 s1

[tropic summit]

let's try all the stops:

3rd team just auto it

[eager mountain]

offburst helm also benched my naga in harverster, tho not really making a noticeable diff at all

[frozen nebula]

I see

But at this point it's just back and forth beating each other since forever

[eager mountain]

it’s PvP the only strongest defense is good teams + cp diff (or all rl with 4*tier11+cs for whatever reason ig...)

[frozen nebula]

Unfortunately, everyone's defense suck and whales in my lobby since day 1

[tropic summit]

more like, keep trying different defs until we pinpoint what works, although on an experience player it may be futile if they know what they doing

defense will always lose to offense, if both players have equal ground

[lunar dirge]

1,6m as 400 sync?

and 1,9 as 432

[graceful grotto]

Wtheck is that no.1 lmao

The CP is like 60+ different but the CP is in the same range lol

[kindred tinsel]

last reset opponent started losing to me switched to biscut noah comp help me counter

[rain totem]

Anyone have team comps for these

@keen vapor please help again

[keen vapor]

Swap 1 and 3

[crystal flicker]

Why Emma

[keen vapor]

[rain totem]

In the second team? Cause it always loses so i just throw units onto it

[crystal flicker]

She's killing your burst gen

[keen vapor]

Just throw one unit alone

[quick lake]

T1: Skip
T2: Scar Blanc RH Centi Jackal
T2: Rumani Noah Biscuit Cindy Centi
Edited Noise away

Ur teams kinda bad

[glad meteor]

Noise p2 is a little dangerous

[keen vapor]

This

[keen vapor]

It will be fine
-# It hasn't been

[keen vapor]

the carry unit

[rain totem]

Thanks that worked

[quick lake]

Can probably rotate along the following:
Scar Blanc RH flex Jackal
Blanc Emilia RH Biscuit Rumani/Centi
Noah Centi Biscuit Cindy Noise

[rain totem]

Can you tell me how my burts still killed them even though they have noah

[keen vapor]

Bc you fired right after

Is what Emilia does

[rain totem]

@quick lake dont have rumani

[quick lake]

U nuke them before their Noah has a chance to activate

[keen vapor]

Oh right, he didn't swapped

[quick lake]

Eg. If u are 3RL nuke vs opponent’s 3.5RL Noah, u will Nuke before opponent has a chance to cast Noah’s shield

Being faster by 0.5RL usually works

[keen vapor]

Man I wish

[quick lake]

Can check out the pins and especially the burst gen calc sheet for more info

[quick lake]

Dont run 0.5RL faster Cindy into Noah/Blanc

Not reliable imo

Noah can block Cindy’s 2nd wave of nukes, and Blanc may proc her Indom

[glad meteor]

1RL faster into blanc is still rng imo.
0.5 RL faster into noah is one hit each
1RL faster is 2 hits if im not mistaken

[quick lake]

1RL faster Cindy still RNG?

[rain totem]

Ohh can you also tell me why my cp value on my scarlet team is so much lower im 10 lvls higher and i have max gear and talents on all those units?

[glad meteor]

Indom can land on nikke if jackal linked for example

The damage doesn’t happen all at once

[quick lake]

I think the opponent just has invested pvp units

Very invested

[rain totem]

No i get that but what else can i invest in? Am i missing something

[keen vapor]

Overload lines at low phases will give lower CP

[quick lake]

Better team building experience tbh. Ur units are fine. Just the teams u run against the opponent are generally bad

[rain totem]

Understandable

So i need to change my overload lines? Is there a place where you can find out a units best lines for pvp?

[quick lake]

The common archetypes are:
Double buffed scar Jack
Noise Noah Cindy
Blanc/Noh Emilia RH
Blanc/Noah SAnis RH
Blanc/Noah SBS RH

[quick lake]

Prydwen has OL lines recommendations
https://www.prydwen.gg/nikke/guides/overload-gear-recommendations/

[rain totem]

Ohh thanks

[kindred tinsel]

wheres my food

[woven acorn]

How can I counter this team? My Black Scarlet can't deal damage because someone blocked it.

[swift mango]

Do you have Cindy or Scarlet original or s.Sakura or B.Soda or Ein or Maiden or Kilo built?

Emi nuke won't work because it gonna be blocked by Noah. SBS in similar situations.

[woven acorn]

i have cindy 10/6/10, s.sakura/kilo/b.soda/ein/maiden are 4/4/4

[swift mango]

Do you have liter or Red hood built?

[woven acorn]

i dont have red hood

but liter 10/5/10

[swift mango]

Nvm

[woven acorn]

So, my main problem is enemy Noah?

[swift mango]

Do you have Noah?

[woven acorn]

no

[tender valve]

https://tenor.com/view/папич-arthas-папаня-папизи-величайший-gif-21597148

[swift mango]

You could try

Liter+Blanc+Cindy+Emi+Jackal. Emi and Jackal with Quantum.

And record so we know what to do from there.

[glad meteor]

Noah biscuit sanis
Noah biscuit emi buffed

3rl/ 2.5 rl is fine too

[swift mango]

Or post your box so we could think up something else...

[woven acorn]

ok

[swift mango]

SBS can't deal DMG with Noah taunt and Biscuit invulnerable. It's auto lose.

[woven acorn]

Thx, i won that team but i can't win this guy.

[swift mango]

Do you have a record of the fight you won?

And how is your Emi looks like?

[woven acorn]

No, my Cindy kills everyone but Biscuit. then just hit her to dead.

My emi is 10/10/10

[swift mango]

Okay... I guess your Cindy has higher attack than Liter. Glad it worked.

[woven acorn]

yea, thx so much, but why did I lose to the guy above? His total power is lower than mine.

[swift mango]

The other guy you burst first and wiped him. This later guy you burst same time so their Noah block you.

[woven acorn]

So, what is the solution?

[swift mango]

Could try

Emi+Blanc+Crown+Laplace+Jackal

Make sure Emi has less HP than Laplace and jackal. And record it ofc...

[woven acorn]

Here's the video where I won against the other guy.

[swift mango]

Your Emi has 8% CS from OL right?

[woven acorn]

ima check

[woven acorn]

8.96%

[swift mango]

Yeah, could try it.

[swift mango]

If you aren't sure Emi would get Blanc buff, equip Laplace and Jackal with Vigor.

[woven acorn]

I forgot to record, but here's the screenshot. ( i won)
ima try again to record it.

@swift mango

[vague quartz]

hi, what are the bets pvp teams i can make with these nikkes?

[crystal flicker]

Rookie: ScarletBS Blanc Rumani XMaiden Jackal

SP:
T1: ScarletBS Blanc Rapipi Anis Jackal
T2: Crown Rumani Alice Noir XMaiden
T3: Tia Noise Ein Naga BSoda

[crystal flicker]

Add to wishlist:
Elysion: Helm (To unlock Treasure)
Pilgrim: DrunkScarlet, Noah, Rapunzel, RH, Cindy
Tetra: Biscuit
Missilis: Centi, Drake

Also get Ludmilla's spare body from spare body shop, and 2x Liter dupe from 200 standard pulls and you can break 160 walls

or just use spare body selector for Ludmilla

[vague quartz]

Ty for the help. Modernia not better than Noah and Rapunzel for Pilgrim wishlist?

[muted skiff]

Any PvP team recommend ? I'm fine in rookie but in 3 teams I have no idea

[muted skiff]

This is PvP section and Noah and Rapunzel is better than Modernia in PvP

if PvE then yes she better

[crystal flicker]

Yeah, Modernia good for PvE. You can replace Rapunzel and slot Modernia if you want more balance

[red cobalt]

Hey guys is it a good pvp team idk

Or can i do something better ?

This is my characters

[crystal flicker]

Helm Treasured?

[muted skiff]

Yes

[crystal flicker]

Need more investment to PvP units for cp pad

[red cobalt]

What does it mean ? I have to do pvp every day that’s why i want the best team for now and want to win as much as possible

[crystal flicker]

I can make team with ideal burst gen, but the CP might be little bit low

[red cobalt]

With what i have I just want the ideal team for now

I tought the one i had was the best for my account

[unique wagon]

SBS Centi Anis Liter Jackal is probably best for you.

Problem is Anis tanks CP.

[unique wagon]

U might want 1 more ammo for that Emilia

[quick lake]

T1: Scar Blanc RH THelm Jackal
T2: Noah Centi Cindy Biscuit Noise
T3: Auto

[unique wagon]

Nvm

Too much charbe speed

If u reload at bad timings, Emilia can be hard to use

[crystal flicker]

SP Arena:
Scarlet Blanc Helm Centi Jackal
Noah Cindy Biscuit Pepper XMaiden
Noise Rapunzel SAnis Anis ScarletBS

[unique wagon]

Auto haha

[muted skiff]

ty

[crystal flicker]

Rookie: Jackal Centi Ein Anis ScarletBS
SP:
Ein Tia/Neon Drake Jackal Naga
Centi Rapipi Anis ScarletBS MPriv
Auto

[lean crystal]

can someone help me with making 3 teams for arena??

[quick lake]

Send ur full roster sorted by CP. No need to sort by Burst

[swift mango]

Cindy in P1 would cause target skip to p2, thus making RL hitting more target and Regen for burst gauge %. That's why you beat this team but not another similar team with different positioning.

[lunar dirge]

увидеть мистера 14.1 на англоязычном сервере это событие

[lunar dirge]

nah,she'd win

[fathom rock]

Tf
After invul got cindy nuked anyway

[lunar dirge]

cindy's 10 hit burst snapshot at a certain moment

iirc

[quick lake]

No rumani, centi or Noah?

[swift mango]

Animation delayed

[quick lake]

T1: Blanc SBS Biscuit Rapunzel Noir
T2: Scarlet Grave RH MaidPriv Jackal
T3: Auto
You are severely lacking in burst gen units. Recommended to put Rumani, Centi, Noah into wishlist asap. Can consider Helm treasure if u want to. PvP will be a tough game mode for u as of now

[lean crystal]

i got both rumani and centi

[quick lake]

T1: Scar Grave RH SAnis Jackal
T2: Rumani Centi Cindy Biscuit Noise
T3: Blanc SBS Noir Rapunzel Naga

[crystal flicker]

Kaicenat plays Nikke

[harsh echo]

quiet

[crystal flicker]

That means you need to climb and find enemies

[remote wraith]

May I ask about mine?

Cuz I can't attach lots of images

for SP arena

[mighty haven]

is your Helm Treasured? and do you have Emilia?

and also is Laplus treasured

[remote wraith]

not yet, no and not yet

[mighty haven]

mmmmk, just defence?

[remote wraith]

Offense too please

[mighty haven]

Offence would be based on the enemy

[remote wraith]

hmmm

defense

please

[mighty haven]

Scarlet/Blanc/RH/Centi/Jackal
Noah/Ein/Liter/Biscuit/Rapunzel
Auto setup for T3

[remote wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-thanks-bro-doraemon-nobita-im-scared-gif-19920968

thanks doroemon

[mighty haven]

[remote wraith]

wait which scarlet
The drunk or emo

[mighty haven]

Drunk

[remote wraith]

thank

[swift mango]

Most of the time...

Scarlet+Blanc+RH+Centi+Jackal

Noah+Anis+Rumani+Cindy+XMaiden

Would do for attack. Pretty sure these 2 are what lazy people use for attacking everything.

[quasi sluice]

I have some question

If i assumed that Scarlet jackal team

And i put Helm+Teasure with that team

When scarlet ulti did she get the buff from Helm skill ?

[bleak shale]

no

[quasi sluice]

The buff get after right ?

[bleak shale]

on full burst happens after b3 generally

[quasi sluice]

I see thx u sir

[kindred tinsel]

ill try this thnks

[cinder siren]

Bruh

[wild root]

been in maintenance mode for the past like 7 months not going beyond dailies but lookin to update my rookie and special arena teams, the old ones are no longer dominating as they once were
Got enough mats to max another 15 girls at least

[cinder siren]

How to counter centi jackal and scarlet team

I put 3 burst regen cube on my team 4 RL and scarlet but my burst charge still slower and die

[keen vapor]

Quantum isn't everything

[spiral onyx]

Burst cubes give you +4.66%

If you're at let's say 75% burst gauge when they hit 100%, you can throw however many Quantum cubes at your team, it won't make a difference lol

You need 95.6% burst gauge or higher for Quantum Cube to mean anything (cause 95.6% x 104.66% = 100.05%)

[unique wagon]

Cooking for someone:

• Noah Biscu SAnis RH HelmTr(P2)
• ScarletBS Blanc XMaiden LaplaceTr Jackal
• Noise Rumani Centi Cinderella Pepper

How to improve.

[swift mango]

Replace Noise with Anis..

[lone sequoia]

T1- atk priorty (highest atk-rh-helm-sanis or sanis 2nd)
T2-just cs lines (weak from the start against biscuit)
T3- more cs lines(i pref slow cindy teams)

[swift mango]

CS line lol... They won't ask for a cook if they are that invested into this game mode and get more charge speed.

[low scarab]

Defense teams:
T1 - Noah Tia SAnis Noise Biscuit
T2 - Naga Jackal Scarlet Centi LaplaceTr
T3 - Blanc ScarletBS RH Rapunzel Noir

Have been sitting on diamond with these teams for many months and seems very outdated, can these be improved?

[crystal flicker]

Depends on what you have

[low scarab]

I have everything, im just more invested in solo raid characters

[strong python]

Anyone got SP defense team recommendations?

[tropic summit]

we need you to do post your nikke box with nikke ordered by strength so we can arrange them based on investiment

[dusty yew]

This is my box. What would be the ideal 3 teams to build?

Also, do I need to take the pvp only units to skill 10 or is 4 4 4 OK? Same with OL gear, does it need to be level 5 and any particular stats I need to roll for?

[low scarab]

Here's my nikke box

[tropic summit]

naga centi cind emi noise
scarlet blanc rh rumani jackal
noah biscuit rapu s.anis la+

cubes:

quantum on jackal, centi, rumani
vigor on biscuit, rapu, blanc, noise
temperance on noah
resil on s.anis
rest run high lvl cube remaining

notes/wishlist: get helmT asap to improve a team RL threshold

[strong python]

That’s gonna be a while since I treasured Drake first

[tropic summit]

well take ur time, once you've her hit us again

[tropic summit]

naga centi cind la+ noise
scarlet blanc rh emilia jackal
noah biscuit rapu s.anis xmaiden

cubes:

quantum on jackal, centi
vigor on noise, blanc, rapu, biscuit
resil on s.anis (s.anis must be burst lvl9 and have no ammo OLs)
temperance on noah

notes/wishlist: get helmT asap to improve a team burst gen threshold

[tropic summit]

that's a treasured helm? 🤔

[low scarab]

yep, but only for first 2 skills

don't have enough mats for burst skill

[tropic summit]

that's fine, her normal skills are what we need to be the best battery

[brazen ledge]

Btw, is there any straight up best defense teams ?

[crystal flicker]

SP:
Scarlet Blanc/XAnne TreasuredHelm RH Jackal
Noah Biscuit SAnis Pepper/Anis Rumani
Cindy Noise Rapunzel Centi Noir/XMaiden

Rookie: Scarlet XAnne TreasuredHelm Centi Jackal

[unique wagon]

Hmm

Actually the person doesnt have HelmTr so Im using Anis there

[tropic summit]

noise centi cind helmT rumani
scarlet blanc rh xmaiden jackal
noah biscuit rapu s.anis laplace+

cubes:

quantum on rumani, centi, jackal
vigor on biscuit, rapu, blanc, noise
resil on s.anis
temperance on noah

wishlist/notes: consider getting CS% on centi, jackal, rumani to improve burst gen thresholds further on some teams

[swift mango]

Could just use Drake in that team.

[crystal flicker]

I might need to upgrade Quantum cube fr

[unique wagon]

I don't do Noah Anis cus if Noah gets rushed no immune for that comp.

[low scarab]

anything I can replace rumani for now? she's not even in my synchro

[unique wagon]

Crazy Drake with 4 ele can cheese

[wild root]

thanks gamer

[tropic summit]

change that team temporarely to this then:

[low scarab]

legend, thank you

[dusty yew]

Thanks. I'll build them. I got Helm's item so should she replace?

[tropic summit]

if her skill 1 and skill 2 are maxed could indeed

[crystal flicker]

and Treasurd

[dusty yew]

She's strong in PVP with those maxed?

[tropic summit]

she's strong if treasured

[crystal flicker]

and I still don't have Helm smh

[dusty yew]

Also should the pvp focus units have max skills or can I use level 4 skills?

[tropic summit]

depends on the nikke

some are fine as 4/4/4, like most batteries

most of the B3 need burst on higher than lvl 7

to ensure nuke doing its work

[dusty yew]

Most of the B3 units are built but the units like Rapunzel, Noah, Noise, etc aren't.

[tropic summit]

noise noah rapu are fine on 4/4/4, although noise could benefit on higher burst skill to increase HP% and stalling

[dusty yew]

Same with OL. Is it recommended to give OL level 5 equips to pure pvp units?

[tropic summit]

4 OL lvl 0 on all pvp units for CP, you want atk% on B3s and CS% on batteries

iron unit can benefit from elem atk% too, due to the high amount of elec code nikke in pvp

[dusty yew]

What is CS% please?

[crystal flicker]

If you want high rank, up OL is a must

[tropic summit]

charge speed

it increases the speed for RLs to shoot their rocket essentially

[dusty yew]

Ah cool thanks. OK I'll build those.

[tropic summit]

if it hits 17% CS total, they can lead to a team being 2.5RL instead of 3RL, for example

[dusty yew]

What does this mean?

[crystal flicker]

Faster burst

Seems expensive (Rock wise)

[tropic summit]

here's an example of a team with centi and jackal on quantum but not on 17% CS, against one with 17% CS

you can see you can jump of 0,5RL threshold

that's for example enough to hit before noah has cast B2 on enemy team (assuming same RL speed team)

[dusty yew]

OK for now I'll just get CS and then build towards more.

Thanks for the help.

Also, I noticed Rumani recommended. Is she better than the other B1s I have?

[tropic summit]

rumani is a clip RL burst gen unit, it's a needed battery to hit decently fast thresholds

not as much as her kit, which can still be of use (HP+taunt), but mostly her burst gen is quite welcome

[dusty yew]

Oh OK. So it's not worth dropping someone I currently have to get her into one of my teams?

[tropic summit]

she could fit in here to replace naga, as naga being SG feeds heavily against scarlet/jackal teams

although you've to consider also the CP loss of that substition, so only do that once rumani is well invested (4OL gear)

T1 would become noise centi cind la+ rumani

cherry on the top, give centi 17% CS and you've a 2.5RL buffed cindy nuke

[dusty yew]

OK thanks she's quite low for me so I'll wait

[lunar dirge]

outsourcing the job?

[unique wagon]

Nah I made the team

[limber patrol]

how to update the tool? I can't put Rapi RH

how much burst gen does RRH have?

[vapid lake]

MG burst gen which is nearly nothing

to update the calc you need to go back to the og document and make another copy of it

[tropic summit]

download the updated version of any of the calculators

#pvp-arena message

it takes you 30 seconds or less, don't worry

[fast relic]

Just got to phase 2 treasure helm, and not really certain on how much I should rearrange my teams after introducing her. I'm comfortably top 6 in SPA, but would appreciate another set of eyes. In the roster screenshot, only top 2 rows have any investment to speak of. Arena units are almost totally OL, but no rerolling or line optimization.

I realize team 3 positioning looks weird, but I had an issue with Noah dying early and being unable burst, which this positioning solved

And I need noise to go before jackal

[tropic summit]

team 1 is a bit on the weak side, due to high feed from RRH and easier to counter SBS
team 2 is feed heavy aswell, moran + s.anis, i'd pick a different B3 for that combo (on def it's too easy to counter, on attack it would work)
team 3 is kinda overcommited, noah + jackal in same team is a bit of a waste

you're also not pushing a team to 2RL with helmT, a bit of a waste

[fast relic]

Team 1 is just a rejig of what was previously just CP bloat, which is also why 3 is probably overcommitted. How would you rebalance?

Maiden Centi helm Cindy +1?

[tropic summit]

oh if it's CP padded, then it's actually decent, as that's also a form of defense 🤔

i'd aim for a 2RL cindy team, spread noah and jackal to the other 2 teams

you've got these to mess around with, based on investiment:

alice
cind
sbs
rrh
blanc
helm
liter
s.anis
xmaiden
noir
naga
tia
noah
noise
centi
jackal
biscuit
rapu
moran
grave
pepper
bsoda
rumani

[fast relic]

I could put Alice over RRH for a little more bloat, which might make it harder to counter with jackal?

[tropic summit]

well alice is better than RRH for sure on feed

while keeping CP high

[fast relic]

Yeah that makes sense

Grave pepper bsoda rumani are basically 0 investment also fwiw

So 2rl Cindy, then are SBS and ASS still my two DPS choices? Or is someone else a better burst

[tropic summit]

well since you're lacking scarlet or ein, your leftover choices of decent B3 are a bit more limited

you could make a xmaiden B3 tho she needs probably more investiment 🤔

[fast relic]

Interesting

[tropic summit]

this could be an upgrade, although getting blanc to indom xmaiden could get tricky

until you feel confident getting xmaiden indommed, just go for SBS on indom

she also needs to be built to be a threat, although blanc + jackal buff will make her nuke hit really hard on p1 and p2

[tropic summit]

yep looks good

[fast relic]

Okay I came up with the same team lol

[tropic summit]

cindy on 2RL with noise buffing her poses a huge threat

[fast relic]

Sounds good man I'll work on it from here. Much appreciated

[tropic summit]

you'll force enemy to use biscuit/noah, the other teams should try to aim and abuse this

[hoary hill]

@keen vapor iam challenger 3

i got greedy lol and kicked place 3 out lol like i leveld my synchro up right and won against him lol

[keen vapor]

Congrats, not even me

I'm serious, Tsubasa got me this time

[hoary hill]

yea but now iam a target for everyone tho

iam going for first place i think

uff

this can f up my secured 6 place in the rsnking i think

nooooo iam challenger 1

[keen vapor]

No way, you can only go up.... By a few points

You'll have to try and maintain position for the next season

[hoary hill]

its emoty white no way

damn

i just got challenger one bro i shi ted all whales

[tropic summit]

just aim for ch1-ch3 pre season end, so you get a small headstart on start of new season? 🤔

[hoary hill]

i will

but its crazy

[keen vapor]

Do it for us

[tropic summit]

getting ch1-ch3 is not crazy, it's keeping it that's crazy

[hoary hill]

literlly i wanna see how quick iam down to diamond or vhallenger

[hoary hill]

true but i didnt think iam gonna succed againt them

[tropic summit]

nah offense is always possible, unless you're really CP padded out of it

[hoary hill]

i have about 80k cp less then them

[tropic summit]

at what synch?

[hoary hill]

234 right now

[tropic summit]

oh that's quite a bit 🤔

good job you

[hoary hill]

yep they synchro level is 238 second place

[keen vapor]

You should overload more

[hoary hill]

iam one it

but getting good stats on gears is annoiyng too

i know i shouldnt focus on that but thats what i did if i would have focused on getting others ol gear i surely would be like for a major time undefeatable iam sure of it

since i already beat them with 80k cp less so yea

my question is now if they try and take it back but who knoes

it probably is gonna be like that now that people kick them out and iam safe for now from 4th place to 10th but thats gonna change if raito takes his place and i just have to seccure it again

pretty quick

down to challenger 3

[tropic summit]

even if it happens, you only need 12-24hrs to test it out, if def fails consider rolling back to your previous plan

and just stick to the position you can hold, then attack again near reset

and keep repeating that, for at least additional points

[hoary hill]

alright i will keep that in mind

[tropic summit]

mhm

even just holding that for 6-12hrs, it gives you some extra point that can be used for margin, so it's not a bad idea to be aggresive

the added value is that they'll need to waste a token to take position back, which may trigger other underdogs to attack them with you

[hoary hill]

and basically bring them down

[tropic summit]

aye

[visual willow]

My Special SP Arena defense team is starting to lose (Was winning previously cause I switched a couple of units but forgot which ones) Can I get help with the 3 teams?

I have moran, but don't really feel like investing in her

[lilac pier]

can u guys help me pls with this? is sbs or sanis better in a noah/biscuit team?

[hoary hill]

damn that guy is intelligent he switches his formations back.to the old one tho

[tropic summit]

s.anis is better because she can hit the backline, also does not suffer being countered by p1 defender + biscuit, although can still be taunted

[tropic summit]

taking a look

share your current 3 teams and if you've any of these treasured:

laplace
helm
drake

[tropic summit]

naga centi cind xmaiden noise
scarlet blanc rh emilia jackal
noah biscuit rapu s.anis la+

cubes

quantum on jackal, emi, centi
vigor on blanc, biscuit, rapu, noise
temperance on noah
resil on s.anis (s.anis must've no ammo OL and be burst lvl 9)

notes/wishlist: i've given you both version of T1 with and without helmT, if that's a treasured helm consider second option

[hoary hill]

@tropic summit that is my number one challenger from sp arena btw

he added me dude i think to tell me this

[umbral belfry]

LMAO

what'd you do

[hoary hill]

i attacked him like 8 times i go to my friend request and then in his bio

[umbral belfry]

LMAO

[hoary hill]

i like kicked him once right after that he kicked me down again then i atta ked him 8 times

[tropic summit]

oi, i think they slightly mad

[hoary hill]

yessss so crazy

i will continue

[umbral belfry]

they're on my ass rail

[tropic summit]

btw that's reportable

[umbral belfry]

how long can i keep this up

[tropic summit]

wear that as a badge of honor

[hoary hill]

well then i will proceed

[tropic summit]

look how many ppl you making tilt on ya haha

[umbral belfry]

[tropic summit]

yeah do that, will only piss em off even more

a whale less in a bracket, the best for the entire world

[hoary hill]

yes for sure it will

thats so funny i never saw something like that

[tropic summit]

well my CH dude has taken insults pretty far with racism and slur in it, so it's like free real estate reporting

maybe he's considering speedrun to ban

[hoary hill]

yes

pretty funny tho like he added me just to tell me that lol

like hes challenger 1 24/7 wnd now i try to kick him down like damn how can you be so pissed

hes gone from my friendlist

i did nothing lol

[toxic flume]

arena team?

[valid fern]

theres a guy in my bracket like that too lol. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/480233352838905856/1318466088907837450/Screenshot_2024-12-16_222141.png?ex=6797d17b&is=67967ffb&hm=fd38789a76471cf3ac7c4212a8c24ae61882aa481ffe83be7f0ad3eb7896f4ab&

[visual willow]

laplace+ that's it

[hoary hill]

damn thats too funny how they react

[valid fern]

Then it escalated to this lmao

[tropic summit]

aight, then go as the teams i provided without helm

[hoary hill]

just report that fella easy going

[tropic summit]

fragile ego tend to get their frustration out in their bio

[visual willow]

working on helm, but I spent like 70 rocks on my rapirh

[toxic flume]

i dont get whats happening

[umbral belfry]

this pvp business means everything to them

[hoary hill]

imagine thats so funny like raging over a game as if my guy wasnt 24/7 challenger 1 and now he gets competition and changes his team formation every minute or so

[valid fern]

my bracket is so casual that guy was uncontested for so long until I broke the 160 wall and started beating his ass. Basically I'm the one and only guy who beats him lol

[hoary hill]

should i attavk him once more railtracer

[tropic summit]

SBS blanc alice anis jackal

if there's a rumani/centi/xmaiden use them instead of anis

[hoary hill]

and see if he rages more or so actually i should stop tho

[toxic flume]

mana not needed?

[tropic summit]

not for rookie imo

we can use her once you hit SP arena

[tropic summit]

as long as you can retain your position without wasting attempts, why not

[hoary hill]

alright

well next day iam gonna attack him again to see his reaction he tends to change formation to btw

[tropic summit]

yup

just make sure you don't fall lower than your comfort position, if that happens just stay defensive instead

[hoary hill]

alright i will well iam either way casual about it tbh i didnt really think that i can reach challenger so i will focus on getting ol on my sp arena teams so i can keep my position

[toxic flume]

like is he trolling with a lvl 1 asuka or what i dont get it

[swift mango]

After spending selector for her she drop

[tropic summit]

a classic

[swift mango]

I think I will just chilling top 4-6 next season... Defense becoming harder and harder.

Not worth this 300 gem. I rather spending sometime hitting rank 1, than keep getting back and forth with the lower guys...

Zzz

[tropic summit]

defense will only get worse, because people will slowly get all the meta nikke

once everyone gets helm, that's one default 2RL cindy in everyone's hands

[keen vapor]

Yes I got Bay twice consecutively

[keen vapor]

Me .... Helm doll not even R10

[swift mango]

2 RL Cindy is like whatever. I have 2 lv1 p2 and those common combo from my bracket from lower CP guys can't get me. It's just they are smart with hitting now...

[tropic summit]

i don't even have helm on 2 star yet

[keen vapor]

I have MLB but yeah

No blue mats

[swift mango]

zzzz

[keen vapor]

Guess I'll be able to do it when solo raid is up

[tropic summit]

my helm is probably 2-3 months away, at least and based on RNG

might need to mileage her

[keen vapor]

Meanwhile I'll farm that bond level

[tropic summit]

fill helm of

gifts

[swift mango]

I can just get to 30 instantly if I want not really a problem.

[keen vapor]

Yeh

[swift mango]

Trying 10 rocks to get biscuit Charge speed and failed... I need 2 charge speed line on her so bad...

[keen vapor]

Only two?

[swift mango]

Yeah, I need 2 more

Then I can start rolling 3 lines for CP pad.m.

Need to pad more and more.

[keen vapor]

Same

[swift mango]

Well you are bricking level so the reason we padding aren't the same

[keen vapor]

Must be nice being able to CP gap your opponents

[swift mango]

Kinda hard to CP gap these days and gapping with bad units doesn't work to these guys any more... So I had to resort to p2 lv1...

[tropic summit]

until Blood gets some whale isekaied in his bracket, reshuffle is getting closer

[swift mango]

Now I need to pad to keep them from getting out of range .

[keen vapor]

Getting C6 gems was nice while it lasted

[swift mango]

I had 2 whale already

[tropic summit]

in these past 9+ months i've seen at least a total of 6-7 whales, if for whatever reason those were to get in my same bracket at same time, i'd just kill myself

[keen vapor]

We're getting reshuffle just in time for champion arena

[tropic summit]

mhm, i'm both looking forward to it but also trying to keep my expectations low

[keen vapor]

Me the next season?

[tropic summit]

let's aim for ch5-ch6

[keen vapor]

But I want maintenance kits as rewards

[swift mango]

The reason my bracket being tiring there day is because. C4 to 8 being sweaty enough to hit me but not sweaty enoughs to hit the whale. So C3 became the hotspot 6 ways war.

[tropic summit]

ah yes, the good ol' bully the underdog

[swift mango]

I could hit the whales but can't spare hit to hit them.

It's tiring

[keen vapor]

You sound like Tsubasa would

[shell hazel]

this season has been coasting

went almost whole season with no attacks

[tropic summit]

oh nice def on ch2

[shell hazel]

railtracer defence too strong

[keen vapor]

Tbh, I'm glad that HE is the one getting C3 rewards now, instead of Hero

[shell hazel]

yeah I boosted the units some (mostly with basic OL) but I have 3 def teams at about 200K each now, which seems enough to deter most people 🙂

[tropic summit]

mhm keep it up

[keen vapor]

He wasn't trying hard enough previously

[shell hazel]

will do! I'm building Helm (it will take a while)

[tropic summit]

treasured nikke are one huge investiment everytime

[swift mango]

It's my bad to be honest. I could just hunt for 3 lines instead of building more units and CP pad them instead so they won't learning how to attack from hitting me lol...

[keen vapor]

It's taking a while for everyone here

[shell hazel]

I have her at R-doll 12 but got materials to boost a bit, just going to see what I get for next SR

[swift mango]

Hunting for CS cost me huge chunk of CP....

[shell hazel]

I need 160 of the end one right?

[swift mango]

And only effective for sometimes until they learn how to attack...

[keen vapor]

Yes

[shell hazel]

I can't swap any other ones as I haven't completed any previous treasures

[swift mango]

CP> CS confirmed.

[shell hazel]

so getting to R-15 doll isn't too hard, but I need more blue materials and oranges

and I need an SR (SR) doll for her as well

[keen vapor]

Same

[shell hazel]

i'm not spending any dolls materials for now, just going to save and see what I wind up with on next SR

SR is too common lol it has 3 different means in those two sentences!

[keen vapor]

Indeed

I got SR kits for the SR doll that I need to max for the next SR we're getting

[shell hazel]

I started re-rolling my bulletin assignments a bit as well

[swift mango]

And man these guy below me now try to CP pad their teams, it's getting miserable to look at... Kinda want to throw up looking at their new def...

[shell hazel]

CP pad doesn't really work I think it's why the guys below me can't beat me atm, I have proper pvp units somewhat built and they are mostly just running pve units

[keen vapor]

Do not

[shell hazel]

even ones who can beat me in every rookie arena match can't beat my SPA teams as I'm invested better horizontally

[swift mango]

Need more sweaty guys to hit them for they to wake up..m

[shell hazel]

and they just focus on campaign units only so they can win one team but not 3 (or even 2)

I'm trying to invest in a bit of everything but always out of resources

RH at 9/10/9 so almost maxed her out, then I'll skill up Rapi some more, and after that I'll probably need to focus on helm for treasure readiness

[swift mango]

Their former def was kinda good but when they get losing they started making shitter def... The only reason no one was hitting them was because they hit me instead....

[shell hazel]

the arena shake up we'll get soon will probably put all of this nice relaxing time to bed though

when 10 new whales get moved in

[keen vapor]

Well, since Tsubasa is staying on C3 I think I'll just annoy Malogro .... If I can bc he CP gaps me

[shell hazel]

how does your top 6 look?

[eager mountain]

those who use all their rocks in pvp can simply do both, i still use most of my rocks in pve

[tropic summit]

i could move on to the next nikke if my alice would actually hit 1 ammo OL at least

[eager mountain]

you dont have ammo on alice yet??

[tropic summit]

nope

she's running on full copium with resil and crown, still able to do something with it

[eager mountain]

yeah want that ammo for ur hard campaign

[tropic summit]

mhm

but fortunately i'm keeping up with my bracket, so i don't feel too much pressure

everyone around same hard stage

[eager mountain]

ch 23-24 is hell, and 30ish some lv require 10+ alice/rh spam at the beginning before ur whole team is wiped

[tropic summit]

next wall is nihil i think 🤔

[eager mountain]

22nihil is easier then 21mother whale

[tropic summit]

oh then i'm set

it only took me around 200+ tries for MW on hard

[eager mountain]

💀

[tropic summit]

i think it was 2-3 afternoons

[eager mountain]

lv10 crown s2 saved the day

[tropic summit]

that's when i realized i rly needed alice

oh ye, i'd be dead without crown, tia is not invested enough to not tank my CP

[eager mountain]

taunt and invlun all that wave of team kill rapture wave

[tropic summit]

mhm

getting that 19 stack counter right

[eager mountain]

ya

a bit hard to time cuz its mg windup

[kindred tinsel]

it worked its just stall team now since everyone survives first burst

ill just keep collecting ranking for now

[umbral crown]

Just move on, go the hard way

[tropic summit]

it's already hard enough

[umbral crown]

Is it

[tropic summit]

considering i had to use la+ to clear MW, yes it was

[umbral crown]

Waos

[tropic summit]

and sort of bricked modernia

RH would kill me if i had her do that again

[umbral crown]

Now reset her

[valid fern]

Im on MW hard right now. Synchro 317. Trying to use RH comp but I dont think I do enough damage, so no win condition atm. Will wait til 321 to try again.

[keen vapor]

I'm at 345 synch and too scared to try

[valid fern]

Honestly its not too bad as long as you have enough damage to win. I've been practicing and I can surivive til the end consistently now.

[eager mountain]

whole team?

[valid fern]

Yeah just time crown invuln, use modernia and cover/uncover missile phase. Missile phase still kinda RNG tho.

[eager mountain]

good, i asked cuz usually if whole team can live then dmg is usually not the issue

[valid fern]

Honestly my only real issue is RH burst effects make it aids to aim properly

And you cant swap to another to shoot cause they have to be in cover for missile phase

[eager mountain]

esc spam ig

universal dmg optimization tech

[valid fern]

Havent tried that yet but i have heard of that tech. Ill try it next time.

[eager mountain]

ez on rh burst cuz no need to manual press fire unlike regular rl/sr

[valid fern]

Imagine that was the real bottle neck and I end up clearing tonight

[eager mountain]

extreme cases like ai harvester, u get 15%+ dmg boost from not fully optimized esc spam

oh and desync is another dmg tech for bosses like indivilia and mirror container

[calm kettle]

@slender forge my server to competitive lel to many growth and revenge 👀 sometimes lost~

Yabe

[vapid lake]

https://i.meee.com.tw/mSs5R57.gif

[loud sonnet]

Ah yes the behemoth bug

[eager mountain]

the best thing about it is that u now actually have time to stare at ur nikke

[fast relic]

@tropic summit Here's what I ended up with. Already racking up defense wins. Appreciate your input earlier!

[keen vapor]

Nice, 2 RL Cindy buffed nuke

[keen vapor]

.... Uh, why Summer Anis team is backwards?

[fast relic]

User error. Here it is in game

[eager mountain]

why biscuit rapun tho... well prob not having better b1

[upper grove]

Had the same issue, aim with your other units during her burst

[fast relic]

Yeah limited roster is obviously playing a role here. My options would be Liter to lose 3rl but buff CP or lose a ton of CP for uninvested Rumani/Pepper

[eager mountain]

he said others need to take cover when rh hitting missiles so maybe its the deficit, id wanna see him cliping it

[eager mountain]

yeah just give rumani OLs

[upper grove]

Oh I missed that crown should still be able to aim I think

[fast relic]

Plus I would be replacing Tia before Rapunzel, but they could swap teams

[eager mountain]

maybe, ammo line might change that, but he should be able to time it regardless
or maybe not, w/o ammo + high lv s2, can take a while to build 20 stacks for it to be safe for him

[swift mango]

I'm using all my rock for arena though, most of it.

Well, I will get there with time.

[eager mountain]

i need like average 30 rocks to stage9 mirror container, if not for the 30 rocks used for that one cs line in pvp...

[swift mango]

I was 2 hard chapters ahead of those same level as me in my bracket. But they are catching up alright. Now only 1 or less chapter apart

[eager mountain]

same and winning the cd stack in the long run, assuming they dont whale cd

thats why investing on campaign is also investing on pvp

[vapid lake]

someone in my bracket actually got ahead of me in hard campaign but he stuck on mother whale

Im pretty sure if i open my cd stack i can pass him but i'm really resisting the urge

need new chapter now

[upper grove]

Are CS break points for RL always 17%? Just put in my teams in the online calculator

[eager mountain]

im 519 now and imma only stack after hitting 521

[swift mango]

Way better than me lol...

[eager mountain]

no, its just to make 3rl into 2.5rl for that one rl

[swift mango]

About 12-17% CS should be fine to make a difference.

[vapid lake]

Cool 17% cs will help me beat nihlilster

[eager mountain]

yeah, 1 extra% is 1 extra%

[vapid lake]

brb rolling cs on all my campaign unit

[swift mango]

Reply to wrong people lol

[eager mountain]

[vapid lake]

I'm walled until 321 and i almost have enough cd to level straight to 321

[upper grove]

I'm just preparing for next bracket reshuffle and treasure helm. Idk which team she'll join though

[quick lake]

Minimum 15% to be safe imo

[eager mountain]

alice

[quick lake]

Yeah swapping Alice out with Thelm makes that team 2RL

[upper grove]

Alice has like double cp of 2nd row

[eager mountain]

imo always not worth to stack cd and wait for campaign when u can hit the 20n+1 level gap

[swift mango]

Well, if we are talking about Blanc, my 12% CS Blanc would always beat your mirror 17% CS Blanc.

[eager mountain]

my alice have 70-80k more cp then my average pvp units

[quick lake]

Probably depends on how far u can push with that added 21 syncs

[eager mountain]

usually its significant

unless its some bs wall like MW and MC

sometimes 20 wont do need 40

[quick lake]

Yeah, unless hard walled

[eager mountain]

but tempting enough to try it after 20

[upper grove]

Are you still using her for that reason or is the cp pad not worth it?

[eager mountain]

not worth imo, i never use alice in pvp now, but mines like 280k so the ratio diff isnt as high as urs

[vapid lake]

I'm on a mission to make rapipipi the highest cp unit on my account

[eager mountain]

mine got nice lines and not maxxed yet, but lb0 aint gonna beat my c7 alice

[quick lake]

280k?? are u sync 521?

[eager mountain]

519

[umbral crown]

go 521

[quick lake]

Wow, that 501 bump seems massive

[umbral crown]

[upper grove]

I see. For a comparison, my Alice has 94kn SBS 87k, Mod 54k. I assume once I get helm up to SR15 with skills and OL she'd be around scarlet who is at 64k

[eager mountain]

arent all 20 dump similar in terms of ratio

[quick lake]

I think the bumps get higher at higher syncs

[deft pelican]

can someone make me sp arena teams

[eager mountain]

so the ratio is the same, 100n is the same as 20n

[quick lake]

At like sync 600++ normal bumps can equal to big bumps iirc

[eager mountain]

its scales cuz its exponential but its steady, should be

[quick lake]

Hmmm

Have to wait another month for new chapters

[keen vapor]

I failed, is Alice now

[eager mountain]

24 days

[upper grove]

I'd most likely lose around 10-15% of team cp if I swap alice with treasure helm but 2 RL instead of 3RL should still be worth it?

[quick lake]

Yeah. I dont think u have a CP issue iirc cause u have cored units

[vapid lake]

i have to sac 300 gem from sp arena rank for one season

[eager mountain]

treasure helm would have naturally high cp cuz of trasure

[vapid lake]

Because soon the people fighting for my spot will cp gap me and i can't attack anymore

[upper grove]

My girl Alice can finally rest a bit then

[vapid lake]

Already more and more ppl are attacking me

[upper grove]

Carried so much in campaign already

[eager mountain]

she cant rest, she should be in ur mining team

[keen vapor]

Please excuse me penguin

[upper grove]

She farms lots of rocks yes

[eager mountain]

poor alice

[upper grove]

Back to the mines

[vapid lake]

Build mana and alice can rest

[eager mountain]

f her, i cant even hit the ote without alice/sr or esc

[quick lake]

Build SSak

[eager mountain]

shes the same as mana but worse

[quick lake]

Jk, mana probably better

[vapid lake]

Ssak can't double sbs dps so worse by default

[quick lake]

Yeah

[vapid lake]

[eager mountain]

ppl always like to overrate those units that can only do well in elem weak sr

imo those are the least important nik to invest, out of all useable nik

[vapid lake]

Yea that the reason my quency still 4/4/4 and no OL

[quick lake]

Just 4x ele them and done

[vapid lake]

I will invest in water dps when its pilgrim

[eager mountain]

"woah ssakura has the 2nd best damnage among wind dps" cuz wind dps sux in general

[vapid lake]

Normal unit not worth rocks

[quick lake]

I think water units worth it cause… UR fire bosses

[eager mountain]

i dont even think quency is worth it

[upper grove]

I love mana in terms of character and design but no mats and I still have to OL and skill all pvp only nikke

[vapid lake]

I'm not in top 100 union so not matter to me

[eager mountain]

xlud is much better, does same dmg but also gives buff, used in most sr, guranteed spot in harvester

[quick lake]

xguillo

[vapid lake]

Xguillo time will come when we have real pilgrim water dps

[upper grove]

Alice's mom and huge arguments

[eager mountain]

liberalio

[upper grove]

Nayuta water broken water dps

[eager mountain]

who even remembers nayuta

[vapid lake]

@quartz prawn look at how miserable and suffering the people in those unions are during this UR, complaining all day in feedback about how they spend 6 hour on UR hard mode, u still think its an L?

U wanna be like that professional ma chanhyuk sky?

[eager mountain]

6hrs

[keen vapor]

Me

[eager mountain]

chime or nayuta, choose one to forget

[quick lake]

I think UR was fine

[vapid lake]

Couldn't be me casual union just hit boss and walk away, not sit in discord call waiting 5 hours for their turn

[eager mountain]

my union is around 1% and chill asf

[quartz prawn]

cant relate. im useless so i drop in and out first boss

[quick lake]

But UR is a planner’s hell

[eager mountain]

yeah its just annoying tbh

[upper grove]

1-2% union so I'm just chilling

[eager mountain]

when u know, some ppl do have life (not me)

[vapid lake]

I used to plan raid in DFO that was miserable and i hate it

But i was also kid with a lot of time

So it was ok, now not anymore

[quick lake]

SU should make a UR boss hit organiser

Rank dmg and assign hits for us

[vapid lake]

asking too much from SU, they lazy

[quick lake]

True

[eager mountain]

how about making the game to grind for us

[quick lake]

Thats the upcoming surface content

[upper grove]

UR HM just makes low sync people feel useless

[vapid lake]

It better be some good content since it's been cooking for so long, it was first mentioned like 8 months ago

[upper grove]

Champiom arena

[keen vapor]

Surely it's not an Stardew Valley mode that gachas love to make

[crystal flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/the-dark-knight-its-about-sending-a-message-joker-heath-ledger-the-joker-gif-18201880

[quick lake]

[eager mountain]

they will feel more useful if they are hitting latiance instead of nihil

[keen vapor]

Alchemy Stars did it
Guardian Tales did it

Let's lower our expectations guys

[upper grove]

Yeah true, but what if laitance already dead

[quick lake]

Union entry requirements is gonna be 100ele xlud from now on

[eager mountain]

did 10b to nihil while someone of sync 40+ lower then me did more against latiance (12b?), weak elec and has core lmao

[keen vapor]

Not even my Alice is 100 ele

[eager mountain]

we call that a skill issue

[quick lake]

U did 10B to Nihi

[swift mango]

Those who spend their time for that planning are the biggest hardcores in this game.

[upper grove]

Alarm clock issue

[eager mountain]

thats less then 1/6 of lv 1 hard nihil even 10b is nothing f this sh*t

[upper grove]

Still in beta but no UR beta rewards

[swift mango]

Real skill is the one guy in each union who hit 7+ times during UR with his 3 hits.

[eager mountain]

[keen vapor]

What's your synch btw

[eager mountain]

519

[keen vapor]

Fiuf

[quick lake]

Do u buy core dust boxes?

[keen vapor]

Waos, 7 teams

[eager mountain]

used to get 10x cd from monthly pass a while ago
now i just reroll dispatch when its bad

[quick lake]

Ahh smart smart

[swift mango]

501+ isn't F2P territory currently I think

[quick lake]

Minmaxed F2P should be at 501+ now

[swift mango]

Or 481+?

[keen vapor]

501

[quick lake]

Yeah 481+ is for more casual f2p

[eager mountain]

i was asked the same question but i feel like the real spending for cd is daily 500 gem + $ packages
monthly daily 10x is the cheap option

[keen vapor]

Me if I started day 1?

[quick lake]

Daily 500 gems? like daily CD packs?

[swift mango]

You would be 401-441 if you started month one I guess.

[eager mountain]

no, the 2hr sync

[keen vapor]

[quick lake]

Wipe out? u wipe out using 500gems?

[eager mountain]

no

im saying the whales

[quick lake]

Hmmm whales be whaling

[eager mountain]

used to whale a bit ngl but not doing that for cd

[swift mango]

I'm using 50 a day right now.

[eager mountain]

u reroll dispatch right

[swift mango]

Maybe after 1-2 year I would make 20 lv difference with those of current bracket

[swift mango]

Yeah... Just spent like 250-300 today.

[quick lake]

Me too

[eager mountain]

[swift mango]

Just for 4*4 star mission

[eager mountain]

dispatch only worth reroll if 5+ lines are useless

[quick lake]

Been wiping out daily, and rerolling dispatch. My gem income dropping

[eager mountain]

else opt for wipe... but wipe is expensive

[swift mango]

Not helping if the same 2-3 stars mats mission keep repeating...

[keen vapor]

Hard rerollers

[eager mountain]

i did the math for dispatch reroll value, not knowing that someone else already did it

[keen vapor]

Kisenix

[quick lake]

Wipe out has fodder + some resources but value aint the best

[swift mango]

If you only want upgrade mats then the box fragment missions below 5 star aren't worth it.

[quick lake]

I have taken ur suggestion. Will be rolling away boxes

[eager mountain]

5x is too hard, didnt math for that one but, i stop at 4x, should be the average or even slight above

[upper grove]

Reroll dispatch true endgame

[quick lake]

Doll super success true end game

[upper grove]

Doll mats so fun

[eager mountain]

my doll super success rng is decent

[upper grove]

Just rolled 250 gems today, 3 gold boxes, 15 blue mats

[upper grove]

Same here

[eager mountain]

blue and purple mat from gold boxes arent that diff

[swift mango]

4 star dolls box fragments dispatch are about equal the 3 star mission that reward 1 purple mats.

[quick lake]

Yall spend so much on disptach rerolls?

[upper grove]

Worst doll was SR13 and SR8 worst blue was R7 and R11

[eager mountain]

im still not opting out for fragments yet, tho i kinda already have enough sr doll savings for any situations
so maybe time to opt out 20/30/40 boxes

[eager mountain]

on average, 300 gems per week
that will have some gem return so around 180-200 gem tbh
pretty good value if u reroll only minimum

[swift mango]

Darn, I used 500 at least... Fml...

[quick lake]

Its been 7months since Doll system.
I have 7 SR15, 11 SR5 dolls.

Can probably get ur entire pvp roster to SR5 in a year technically

[eager mountain]

[swift mango]

Sometime I wasted like 1000...

[quick lake]

Oh then I probably spend a little bit more. I reroll on average maybe twice a day or less

[eager mountain]

dont do it, use the 5 line rule

[quick lake]

5/6 line rule is pretty alright

[eager mountain]

i reroll less then once per average day
cuz i count doll lines as 0.5 lines, for the sanity of gem saving, so 5.5 lines rule personally

[swift mango]

Well, I do use it but bad luck is bad luck

[quick lake]

Hopefully CA gives us some doll mats

[eager mountain]

i also dont skip gold mold since according to math ill be hitting of sync level cap in years

tho... thats quite a while, and gold mold is rare

[quick lake]

If u MLB new units, shouldnt hit cap... hopefully

[eager mountain]

i dont

only spending $5 per month now

so i tend to save gems like a lot

when i was doubting i was saving too much

overspec comes out, so maybe not too much

[quick lake]

Be like @keen vapor hoard gems

[eager mountain]

214k gem+ 44 tickets + 612 credit, whenever liberalio comes out i can frame 1 c7 her

[crystal flicker]

or be like me with 500 pulls and 0 rate up

[quick lake]

Liberation unit needing 60k Union chips

[eager mountain]

i like saying ill c7 liberalio but i prob wont tbh, wanted to mlb cindy and rrh but end up not
prob just mlb

[eager mountain]

nooooooooo they cant make her a useless liberation unit

tho thats also why im saving union chips instead of lv15 my resil

[quick lake]

I just want my B2 SG Nayuta that perfects the SG team

[keen vapor]

Dinner is served

You guys didn't ignored anyone else right?

[eager mountain]

i doubt tbh, likely they will have more meta sr team for broken pilgrim/overspec b3 and eventually sr team will be benched, unless they make the pilgrim sg b3 carry

[eager mountain]

didnt even saw that one

[valid fern]

i can stream for a little bit if you wanna see me practice

[swift mango]

Today haunt...

[keen vapor]

100

Where credits!

[eager mountain]

sur, might leave in a bit tho

[valid fern]

ok ill be in vc

[swift mango]

I got 2 or 3 times but roll them off

[keen vapor]

We don't get credits that easy

[eager mountain]

oh so missiles are earlier then I remember

[swift mango]

You aren't in the lv range to be packing Credit.

[keen vapor]

Bc I hoard first, ask later

[swift mango]

I would always keep credit if my luck was good.

Still it's not the worst I have gotten.. just losing net 125 gem for all those. So good enough.

I really need CS on my Biscuit badly...

[keen vapor]

Half a pull

[eager mountain]

thats why the 5 rule costing yall a ton, if ignoring 2 credit box, then go for 6 or even 7 rule instead tbh

[keen vapor]

I would never ignore credits

I rather ignore 15 gems

[eager mountain]

tho, personally, i would say dont skip credit, you will need it so that after 400 u can still trade 1x cd instead of 3x credit for govn boxes

15 gems >= 3 credit

[keen vapor]

No way

[swift mango]

I do not ignore credit just the two 2-3 star missions keep repeating ...

So I need to roll off credit to keep the 5 rolls

[eager mountain]

think about the wipe out thing

50 per wipe out, so 40- less for cd and credit, and 10+ for all others (yes, equipments and exp and reenergy has at least 10 value)
for the 40-, since 3 credit boxes is about 1 cd box equivlent, 1 credit box is 5 or less gem

thats part of the math i did, trust it or not

and the goal is to make reroll more worth then wipe out break point

[swift mango]

If I got lucky enough with the doll mats missions that is

[keen vapor]

I personally see gear and re energy as 0 gem value

[eager mountain]

some 5/5/5 atk and also cp padding, thats one of the things u can change in lv locked contents
and u do need the gear for at least getting OLs

[swift mango]

Goal is 3 4* or 2 4 stars without any box fragment missions.

Small enough goal but sometime not achievable.

[keen vapor]

12%

[swift mango]

Box fragment suck if you don't need the SR doll, like I said before.

The 5* box fragment missions actually only worth 3/4 a common 4 stars mission

And 4* box mission only worth a 3* mission. Doll mats wise.

[quick lake]

I think the boxes arent that valuable if u're only farming for doll exp

[keen vapor]

That's why I said 12%

[eager mountain]

60 is still decent unless u whale for reroll

[swift mango]

It's around 55% according to this table for 4 stars above

[keen vapor]

True true

[quick lake]

So u would say that wipe out is a loss?

[crystal flicker]

You guys rerolling dispatch?

[quick lake]

Have to

[quick lake]

Surprisingly alot of credit boxes come from dispatch

[eager mountain]

for the sake of gem sanity, we assume wipe out is a minimal net loss

i aint tossing half of my gem income on wipe out

[quick lake]

I think u do lose out a lot of credit/cd/doll mats if u dont reroll

Maye I should do some math

[eager mountain]

under the 5 rules, it gives u the mat and doll kits to beat ur pvp rivals in the long run, by long run i mean years, way better then just wiping out

[crystal flicker]

I'm saving my gems

[quick lake]

Hmm.. I'll probably stop wiping out eventually once I have enough fodder

[eager mountain]

higher value then duping most chara, imo, since u can already get most chara 1 copy without really spending, its to either spend on resource or dup for more banners u ignore
and rolling bad dispatch is the best spending for resource

[crystal flicker]

I need Doll mats, but considering my gacha from few latest banner (read my name), I choose to save for getting newer units

[limber rampart]

winable?

[eager mountain]

rip, but yeah just play whatever u want tbh, doesnt make big diff tbh

💀 another p1 cindy

[quick lake]

I think me not rerolling dispatches costed me ~15-20 syncs (over 2 years)

[crystal flicker]

changr Grave

[eager mountain]

big diff if viewed this way, but also tons of gems for that so
opportunity cost

[quick lake]

True

[quick lake]

Always avoid putting Cindy in P1 as it allows ur opponent to burst faster! Ideally P3,4,5

[eager mountain]

like i didnt even care about the reroll until doll and figured out it might be a good idea to math it a bit

he didnt noise p1 since she dies ig, but theirs will die as well

just kill their noise and profit, no other b1 (tia reenters), no protection, and is 4rl+

[swift mango]

Just be lucky get 10 credit, cd, gem, 4 4 stars+ doll dispatch everyday with one tap, no need for reroll.

[quick lake]

Daily gacha

[eager mountain]

i like it, ngl

keeps me into the game

[swift mango]

There is probably 1 guy out there one tap everything from dispatch to pulling and has like 1m gem worth of pulls unused as F2P

And still 501+ synch

[eager mountain]

again the 5 rule is designed for wipeout equivlent for the lower 10 lines, since theres no way to calculate gem worth of doll kits, so if using the same 5 rule with dolls, tons of daily income loss, i would say 6-7, or even 8 rule
for the sanity of gem and banners

but u can indeed calculate average gem of dispatch reroll cost for each sr15 average exp, and then see if its worth the gem

aint doing the math, might be in the future

after all excessive kits for sr doll level is mainly for pvp or top sr ranker advantage, its surprisingly relevant to this chat

[swift mango]

We already had that with rock farm

[eager mountain]

u can get 9 rocks and still does nothing

the real rock gacha is when u use it

[swift mango]

Yeah just spent 9 rocks for nothing

[swift mango]

Apparently, topping SpA is more relevant and achievable than topping solo raid here.

[eager mountain]

yeah who tf is hitting top200 here

even top 0.5% is miles away from top200

[swift mango]

Some peeps here did hit top 200 solo raid sometime. Keripo should be all the times...

[upper grove]

Reroll is the daily gacha fix instead of pulling

Chasing after double gold boxes or mats

5 rock day

[eager mountain]

woah

tbh top200 is very doable for my acc if its in sea lol

[swift mango]

Ofc I can't ever hit 3% 😀

Even after 1 more years

[eager mountain]

[eager mountain]

https://enikk.app/soloraid
ever used this cheatsheet before

[swift mango]

It's harder to get 3% in SEA and I'm playing on phone. Plus not ol PvE units

[eager mountain]

based on top rankers of diff servers, but still relevant enough for those who aint far away form 3%

[swift mango]

Unless absolute meta like rapipi

[eager mountain]

they have a team gen that gives u the best possible team for each sr according to niks u have, ofc assumed to be invested

yeah phone issue

[swift mango]

assumed to be invested

[upper grove]

Btw helm is not bursting in arena, so what's the budget investment for burst? S1 max and S2 also maxed or is 7 enough?

[eager mountain]

s2 will be dependent on ur budget

but lv10 s2 helm is also really good in pve

im tossing helm in 2 ai teams, doing well

[upper grove]

Dirt poor

[eager mountain]

also, she might be used as a burst

[upper grove]

So it's justifiable to lvl it to 10

[swift mango]

Helm will be main stay for my Campaign team so I would 10107 her at least

[upper grove]

4 enough or higher

[eager mountain]

yes, justifiable, not highest priority

[leaden canyon]

4-7 for skill 2.

[gaunt sentinel]

finally he cant defeat me

[eager mountain]

we dont know yet, leave it as 4 for now

[upper grove]

My RH is 477, crown 10109 and liter 1059 so I have to budget a bit

[gaunt sentinel]

now a new enemy though

[eager mountain]

rrh (and, tMiranda) benched liter for best AI b1 so its not as top priority as she used to be, still top enough ig

[upper grove]

Yeah liter carried me until rapi so I can't let her down

She'll get her burst to 10 last

[eager mountain]

elder care

[vapid lake]

Liter finally retire

[upper grove]

I still need liter for cover at nihilister hard though do I?

[swift mango]

Time to reset liter to 555 and max Rapipi

[eager mountain]

hard nihil?

[upper grove]

Rapi ate all my skill books 101010