pvp-arena

[keen vapor]

She doesn't brings attack speed like Tove

[keen vapor]

Tove treasure where RNG is off when

[gloomy igloo]

I mean not at her max potential

[unique wagon]

Ignore rhe quantums

[gloomy igloo]

oof where you getting those calculations lmao

[keen vapor]

Pins

[gloomy igloo]

Oh

[unique wagon]

If Rumani dies to 5 SG u lose this tho

Wait not really

You might still win in raw fight lmao

Yeah ig pretty good team

Anti Rosa too because Rosa will wipe Helm and Laplace and not kill Rumani and Centi

[swift mango]

2-3 are enough

[unique wagon]

Fire element

Only Viper has advantage

Even then Laplace will still kill u anyways

[swift mango]

You underestimating SG dmg.

[unique wagon]

That team is strong even raw against SG comps

[swift mango]

You mean SG that can't burst lol.

[unique wagon]

You got Cindy with pretty much 2x HP and Laplace dealing tons of shit ton of damage

[swift mango]

Just slap Moran on p1 and GG.

[unique wagon]

Wont be enough to kill Rumani with Tempering and doll

Unless Moran Viper SG SG SG

In that case it's quite specific

[swift mango]

Because people in arena all have Rumani with max doll and temper when their SG only blue lv1 no OL, no skill.

[unique wagon]

If worried about Rumani dying then just swap Cindy to P1

Give enemt burst gen dont care

They block gg ure dead

Imo killing Rumani is not easy

[swift mango]

[unique wagon]

Youre a bit oversimplifying it

The reason why SG can kill fast is ele diff

Ele has base 10% + cube (19.09% if level 15) + ELE OL

Wrong ELE alr means u lose 29.09% damage

But yeah it's not safe-safe

[swift mango]

Just use viper then if u insist

I guess I would need to build viper some day

[bleak shale]

i think his sheet's helm quantum is still not fixed

👀

unless he fixed his main copy

and u didnt make a new copy xD

[swift mango]

I don't think it matters though. Just don't put cube on her.

[bleak shale]

ya just if some1 decides they want to find a team with helm treasure 7 quantum

at like exactly 100

u get bopped

[swift mango]

At least it won't affect me.

[unique wagon]

Quantum not apply to S1?

[bleak shale]

it does not

.

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boss 2x gen and charge bonus(manual) and quantum does not affect s1

charge bonus does not affect s2, affects actual shot (for pve)

[keen vapor]

Adjutant it is

[tropic summit]

If they running high crit rate may be, depends on counter RNG too I suppose, didn't experience that against my whale yet at least 🤔

[limber rampart]

Winable?

[unique wagon]

The randomnwss of either team makes me dont know

I think T3 is win

T1 is lose

T2 idk

Win ig?

Idk whos faster LMAO

I mean if that Blanc indoms Rapi or SBS then that B3 uses burst then ggwp

Might as well funnel everything into t2

[umbral crown]

Probably

[unique wagon]

Remove Alice and Crown, add PrivM Naga Grave or whatever with better burst gen

Also are u intentionally walling urself at 200

[umbral crown]

Do not run typical teams = a win

[unique wagon]

HAHAHAHAHAHAH fax

Therefore may I suggest Nero Moran jk

[glad meteor]

What if res give too much hp for indom

[unique wagon]

Happens

Gotta math it first

Thats 5 RL lmao

Enemy also 5 RL

U lose that one

Except by magic Rapu revives Tia and Indom goes to Tia

In that case u win either way

[solid flare]

hi is treasure helm or mana affecting the meta?

[unique wagon]

Oh wait enemy RL and Tia is double gen, maybe they can 4 RL

[keen vapor]

I mean this

[unique wagon]

Move Anis/Rumani to P2

[keen vapor]

Rumani taunts on full burst guess Rumani

[unique wagon]

Idk if its better but Ive always had better luck with Biscuit P3

[umbral crown]

Looks good

[unique wagon]

Sir this team needs quantum

Are u sure u didn't forget?

[umbral crown]

Then just.... deal with it

[unique wagon]

No need

Unless ure a whale

Imo 444 is ok

[umbral crown]

Raku is a whale

[umbral crown]

[glad meteor]

is sad

[unique wagon]

Wth double revive strat

[eternal finch]

ok this worked once against the #2. But I think I'll swap in between the 2 other DEF options you gave me. Unless you want to try another one. Appreciated!

[umbral crown]

[unique wagon]

Maiden Blanc can kill?

[quick lake]

@swift mango we can use Mana to test whether Scarlet slashes from left to right? Maybe mana can revive through scarlet's slash

[eternal finch]

I think this worked but now it goes about 50/50. Any recs vs this teams?

[unique wagon]

Whos 50 50

[keen vapor]

Well, the story is funny

I did, Anis had Adjutant equipped (for 17% charge speed) and it worked

Now I switched to Centi bc she gives a shield after a few seconds and is a bit stronger than Anis (and she actually has quantum), but thats when it failed

Is not about a delayed burst but rather enemy indom Scar is powerful enough to decimate me after Noah shield is down, without her nuke

[unique wagon]

Do u not have 5 SGs?

Why is team 3 not hit

Thats the weakest of all

[keen vapor]

Is also highest CP

Not deficit of course

[eternal finch]

This teams were working agains my current latter until now. I think there was a team change or jsut CP adjustment.

[unique wagon]

T1: Noah Centi Biscuit Noise Cindy
That team should work but I think putting Noah and Centi to tank Rosanna is better. You are risking making them faster by putting Cindy in P2, which 1.2× their RL Burst Gen (forgot how much).

T2: Scarlet Blanc X RH Jackal
Aim for 4 RL here. The slower the better so their indom disappears first. Don't use Centi. I think the comp you are currently using is somewhat RNG because whether Emilia gets indom depends on your Scar RNG counterattack.

Perhaps you can trade Scarlet for Rapi to make it slower, but Idk if it's smart.

T3: Just 5 SG this enemy. Idk BSoda SAnis PrivM Drake Sugar Noir. Whoever has the highest CP, ATK, Damage Investment. No, you don't need B1 or B2 as long as you can kill their Noah and Rapu you win. If not enuf CP, then it's hard. Put highest HP Nikke at front like SAnis first.

[eternal finch]

I'll test those out. Currently this is my roster.

[unique wagon]

@swift mango see not everyone has 3 SGs

[unique wagon]

Sir make it 481 for cp boost

No Bsoda

No privm investments

Well the best I can do is

Rosanna also no invest

Pain

This is exactly like my pvp all my enemy whale

But yeah thats the best I can do

Tbh Rapi might be safer than Scarlet

Reasoning is if Biscu indom tanks for someone and someone else is alive the other NIKKE might kill ur Scarlet after ur Indom goes down

Rapi Blanc Scarlet RedHood Jackal is 4 RL

Well Scarlet might steal the indom lmao

[eternal finch]

I need 500 lol

[bleak tendon]

Any suggestions on my rookie team formation? Is this good or could I improve it?

[swift mango]

Pepper, S.Anis, Noir, Naga, Drake... Looks like 5 to me.

[unique wagon]

Bricked sanis tho

[swift mango]

idk.

[unique wagon]

Idk if Mana does that but wud be cool

[shell hazel]

I set a junk rookie arena auto defence on purpose as I don't want people testing my units out properly for SP arena

I don't think it matters much if I lose some def there, I tend to sit around 5-10th on rookie

[glad meteor]

If the team has not enough protection I could try this, just need to invest in Pepper Mana

[gaunt cypress]

blanc, em,i rh, mana, centi/rumani/jack/anis

[unique wagon]

Me: Makima P5

Runs 4 SG + Makima, may the faster SG wins.

[glad meteor]

Imagine having csm

[unique wagon]

Imaging NOT having csm

[bleak tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/imma-head-out-ight-imma-head-out-head-out-spongebob-meme-gif-20342316

[main trail]

what site or calculator is this

[glad meteor]

@main trail third one

[tropic summit]

good CP wise, although on the slower burst gen end (4RL)
as long as it reaches SBS indommed, you'd be fine against mosts things minus noah+biscuit or other p1 defender + biscuit, there's also the sakura counter but doubt anyone at that synch would have the resources to specifically build her

you could consider a 3RL scarlet instead, as long as she's built

scarlet blanc rh xmaiden jackal

keep in mind higher CP at your synch lvl will likely yield better result

[strong hull]

@tropic summit rail chan i need new 3 defs

blood kun one broken

[unkempt kestrel]

Helm Treasure(s2+max s1)

What does s2 mean? I need to upgrade my treasure for second skill?

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

We aren't invincible

[tardy canopy]

I'm not scared anymore when I see 250k power
But I won mostly because I managed the squads power compared to his

[keen vapor]

Yes, skill 2
It gives attack damage buff

[strong hull]

Its time to cook echocho san

[tardy canopy]

S1 = first skill
S2 = second one
S3 = burst skill

[keen vapor]

No it's never enough for you

[strong hull]

It will

[keen vapor]

[strong hull]

Im holding like

2k box core dust rn

Gonna let you rebuild my broken ahhh account when it reach sync 400

[wicked horizon]

It's been 2.5 months. I've got my core campaign team leveled.
And we just got a nice batch of new units, with at least one amazing PvP unit.
I'd like to start seriously investing into PvP units now. So, like, what are the 3 defense teams I should make?

[keen vapor]

Rail cooking

[wicked horizon]

This doesn't even have the newest bestest burst gen unit?

[keen vapor]

Yeah, you could is outdated in that regard

We need to do V3

[wicked horizon]

From what info I've gathered over time from here (and playing), I've noticed that people like:

1. Scarlet + Jackal + Blanc/XAnne + more buff or faster burst idk
2. SAnis + Noah + Biscuit (often with Noise and Rapunzel for extra healing and stalling)
3. Cinderella with a boatload of burst gen and mayyybe some HP buff to really make sure she one-shots.

[keen vapor]

Yeh

We need firepower and survivability

[wicked horizon]

I've never found the use in some characters though.
Like Moran, Rosanna, and the not-amazing-but-both-nuke-and-burst-gen B3 units like MPriv, BSoda, etc.

[keen vapor]

Moran and Rosanna work better for specific attack comps

[wicked horizon]

Are some characters just attack only? But why... attacking should be easy enough anyways. Not like you couldn't make two counter teams off only the 3 defense teams' units.

[cedar orbit]

some characters are just too easy to counter

[wicked horizon]

I understand that, but why care about them at all then, is my question.

I understand that Rosanna's buff removal is very strong, but why bother investing into her if I can win without her.

[keen vapor]

Those nukers your mentioned are weaker and tend to need 2 buffers even further

[tropic summit]

assuming ppl already have helmT as a standard is a bit high, but can be done

[keen vapor]

Ikr, not even me

[wicked horizon]

I'm just looking for future goals to work towards.

[cedar orbit]

if you have Rosanna, you can just mindlessly run her into any Jackal comp

[tropic summit]

it's not that ppl like them, it's that taking in consideration most ppl CP distribution, those are the most likely to be composed with

[tropic summit]

you can work toward 2 teams 2RL and 1 team 2.5RL

i can share them if you want

[wicked horizon]

Sure

[tropic summit]

aye post ur box let's see what can be done

let's take this chance for V4 @keen vapor

[keen vapor]

If you don't face a PVP expert then good for you

[wicked horizon]

Do you think that units that form your 3 ideal defense teams could not be rearranged to beat 2 enemy teams?

[keen vapor]

I think I can't beat Tsubasa consistently so no

[wicked horizon]

Surely, at worst you can mirror them, at best, you can do something better. And I would assume you can usually do something better since you only need 2 teams.

[drifting schooner]

@tropic summit bro, it still failed...i only have 1 CS roll on each of them, noah biscuit and rapu. wtf lol

[wicked horizon]

I guess my only major shortcoming in the long-term is missing Emilia. 😔

[tropic summit]

adjutant cube equipped on any of them?

[drifting schooner]

no, all vigor/resi

[eternal finch]

Ok this worked. I think T2 might be too lucky, it was a battle of Scarlet vs Emilia.

[unique wagon]

No it was calculated

[eternal finch]

Ah

[unique wagon]

It was part of the plan

[eternal finch]

I put XMaiden as the other RL, so I think that works?

[unique wagon]

That comp is not gonna work because Red Hood has the highest ATK not Emilia.

[tropic summit]

that's not the point, he's getting nuked by emi even with 4RL against 3RL

the argument there was why he's not catching with noah burst a supposed 3RL

[drifting schooner]

if i can catch emi burst, i dont care whos atk is highest, my sanis kills all

[unique wagon]

3 RL Emi can kill 4 RL comps. That is public knowledge bruh. Edit: 4 RL comps with Charge Speed.

[cedar orbit]

Absolute brainlet snipes me 5 minutes after I get attacked to send me to 6th, then proceeds to save his attempts just in case I'M not online 30 mins before reset. Bro traded away his 90% 3rd place to a 90% 6th place to start beef with me, while I have already sat at 1st for 5 days.

[unique wagon]

Need 2 RL comp difference to tank Emilia.

They are 3 RL, you must be 5 RL.

[drifting schooner]

so ill swap rapu with moran?

[unique wagon]

Unfortunately, those burst gen calcs don't support 5 RL. You can try to "theorize" based on 4 RL burst gen amount.

Honestly, let me check.

[unique wagon]

Nope, that's still 4 RL.

I do not know if Moran damage taken will magically save your SAnis and allow you to win, however.

[drifting schooner]

than i got nothing...cuz noah is a must, biscuit is a must

[unique wagon]

No Blanc?

Then the only slow team that can replace SAnis is Rapi Red Hood.

But then again, Rapunzel and Rapi Red Hood is still 4 RL lmao.

[drifting schooner]

well...i guess i coudl do blanc sanis...hm

[unique wagon]

Rapi Red Hood + Moran is 5 RL tho.

[tropic summit]

@drifting schooner

At least show evidence before giving misinformation

That's 4RL against 3RL, absorbing emi nuke, the dude has just bricked CS% on their nikke

literally on video

[unique wagon]

Let me check.

[drifting schooner]

but i only have 1 cs roll on each of them now 😭

thats less than 15% combined

[tropic summit]

dunno how to help you, already told you how to make a 4RL and opponent should be 3RL, if they were to be faster that'd be even better because you'd catch it sooner

[unique wagon]

That's why 5 RL is safer bruh.

[tropic summit]

this is still wrong, as video evidence shows above

[unique wagon]

Yeah, any CS on Noah will speed you up a bit. Any CS on Biscuit + Rapu (both) will speed you up a bit. Either A or B will mess things up, but you don't have to fix this.

[strange rain]

Whats the best team i can run for pvp?

[unique wagon]

Most people have some CS there and there. So +2 RL is the usual recommendation not +1.

[tropic summit]

you'd need to have 17% CS on 2 nikke to impact speed to get to 3.5RL

[unique wagon]

It does not have to be 3.5 RL.

I don't even know when Noah buff disappears.

There is rocket travel time too.

3.7RL and you might just be doomed.

[drifting schooner]

im thinking this team

let rapu revive sanis

[wicked horizon]

So, about that... =y

[tropic summit]

had to correct misinformation first

on it now

[wicked horizon]

Damn

[strange rain]

Anyone can help pls im

[unique wagon]

He said 1 CS, so at most so maybe 5% highest, and that puts them in... around... 3.8 RL probably.

Risky.

[glad meteor]

4.92x 3 cs adds up to 14.76 at 3RL

[unique wagon]

Sir, it does not work like that.

[keen vapor]

There's no best team with so low Nikkes and synch

[unique wagon]

Yeah probably 3.8RL not enuf.

Idk man just do +2. It's always the safe bet.

[wicked horizon]

Yeah, with just a selection of 8 characters visible...
At this point just plop the highest CP team that can burst, ig?

[glad meteor]

400-4.92x4 = 380 not including reload time ?

[unique wagon]

Last time Gatrix said Charge Speed does not affect Emilia Burst charge time but idk.

[unique wagon]

400 * 95% = 380

Quick math but inaccurate af.

[strange rain]

These r my units

[drifting schooner]

@tropic summit @unique wagon this team worked

[glad meteor]

Yeah. I’m lazy, probably bad when explaining 🧌

[keen vapor]

Again, synch is a factor as well

If enemies are 100 levels over you I can't do anything

I'm not a wizard

[strange rain]

So i just run highest cp team that brusts?

[unique wagon]

This Emilia burst slightly earlier

[tropic summit]

still a 4RL with 1 clip RL, you're actually slightly faster with blanc and centi compared to crown and noah, as long as it works all good

[unique wagon]

This Emilia burst slightly late

[drifting schooner]

well the burst gen doesnt really matter here, i just needed blanc indom to go on sanis, then im good

[tropic summit]

yeah extra safety in your case won't hurt

[wicked horizon]

XMaiden? Surprising to me.
I've also wondered about Scarlet Jackal teams... Even if the enemy uses only snipers and rocket launchers, doesn't that still offer some burst gen, so it's not necessary to quite get a 2RL team?

[unique wagon]

The enemy here has more charge speed.

I think

[tropic summit]

what's the reason for that tho?

[wicked horizon]

Is this for SP Arena or Rookie?

[unique wagon]

I feel like its slightly faster

[strange rain]

Rookie

[tropic summit]

correct, there's still tiny bits of feed, as long as you're faster than 2.5RL you might hit 2RL for example

[unique wagon]

well anyways

The point is even little charge speed in enemy comp or ur comp can change things up

so just stick to +2 or +1.5

[tropic summit]

it could be laplace+ or any other clip SG burst tier (SGs are less prefered due to increased feed)

[unique wagon]

That comp won cus Sanis got indomed. so 4RL is fine.

Thats why I asked if he had Blanc.

[drifting schooner]

i recorded this, if u compared to 2 videos, his emi burst went off WAY faster here in this fight, even tho this team supposedly bursts faster than the other team

[unique wagon]

Tbh 21% Emilia is often known as double edged sword for this very reason

[cedar orbit]

back to that Emilia vid. Every single RL on the enemy team had charge speed

[tropic summit]

well Merry yesterday was saying the same thing, something was sus on the opponent

[drifting schooner]

but hes defending, what can be sus about it, he obv didnt change anything, so wtf happened that made his emi burst so late

[wicked horizon]

I gotta go attend my (real) food, but if no one's helped you by the time I'm back, I'll make a team for you. I'm not the best at it, but better than nothing ig.

[tropic summit]

funzies on CS% most likely

but go figure, we've no access to opponent CS% lines in specific

[strange rain]

Thx

[unique wagon]

Adjutant cube.

[tropic summit]

either way as Kisenix said earlier, going 5RL or indom should ensure you don't leave it up to RNGesus

[keen vapor]

Kisenix
Is 1.0 the limit?

[unique wagon]

or variance.

[unique wagon]

This is outdated.

I fixed it.

[keen vapor]

[drifting schooner]

ur saying he changed adjustant cube??

[glad meteor]

Does one of noah or sanis have sr doll and the other doesn’t?

[unique wagon]

Could be adjutant.

[glad meteor]

It’s weird

[unique wagon]

If his CP rose suddenly, it could be OL lmao.

[drifting schooner]

i used astop watch and timed the videos i recorded, from when the fight started, against my team noah, he used 9.14s ish for emi burst to land, against my blanc team, 8.36s, obv human error blah blah, so its not super accurate, but still 1 full second of difference, i dont think my reaction is that slow

[drifting schooner]

no these fights were like 5 mins apart

[tropic summit]

for rookie go for this:

[unique wagon]

Also variance: Gatrix in his sheet did mention variance. I also had this where NIKKES who cant B1 in 2 RL, triggers B1 in 2 RL despite having lower than 100 which was kinda weird. Both cases had no Quantum. I knew Quantum would make it 2 RL.

[drifting schooner]

mine? no both mine have dolls

[strange rain]

Thx

[unique wagon]

So probably there are different seeds each battle that make for very very very tiny differences.

[tropic summit]

if you find cinderella or scarlet we can improve it further

[glad meteor]

Thought maybe diff was cover related.

[tropic summit]

it's relying on SBS getting indom at 3RL, ensure she's lowest max HP between RH and jackal

[unique wagon]

Sir my enemy just treasured his doll

[strange rain]

Do i need to invest in their skills?

[tropic summit]

SBS must be lowest max HP between RH and jackal, first of all ensure that

else we can do something different

[strange rain]

Yep

[tropic summit]

awesome, looks good

blanc will indom SBS, who will be part of link with jackal and RH

unless opponent is running specific setup, you should be good

[strange rain]

tyty

[unkempt kestrel]

did I do something wrong? Left side is mine.

Right side I got it from a screenshot a couple days ago

[tropic summit]

@keen vapor what do you think?

[keen vapor]

So, where's it

[tropic summit]

just different calculators, both are reporting 202 gen in each tier, so they'd be actually the same

[keen vapor]

I'm going to guess that Emilia 21 is same charge speed...

[tropic summit]

yep can't push it further

although 204 is closer to hit 2RL with feed than 196 is (in group 2)

the main difference is also a noise buffed or blanc buffed cindy

with rumani indom + taunt

[keen vapor]

I'm not convinced with either

[tropic summit]

what would you go for, my good sir?

[keen vapor]

2 teams at 2 RL min

[tropic summit]

[shell hazel]

[tropic summit]

btw you can also use this

https://nikke-deck.web.app/

[shell hazel]

I want a 0.5RL team

[tropic summit]

best i can do is a 1RL with enemy cindy in p1

[shell hazel]

dead so quick 😄

no one has assailed my sp arena position in about a week

the top 3 is static

[tropic summit]

enjoy it while it lasts

bracket reshuffle in around 2-3 months and whales will slowly get stronger each day

[shell hazel]

💳

[keen vapor]

Let's see

[cedar orbit]

Am I the only one or in order to reach B1, you needed a Scarlet basic attack after the rockets

[shell hazel]

hope to keep ahead of most. I'm probably going to have to whale out on a helm for cindy though soon, she is so weak and powerless

[keen vapor]

@coarse lake your cooking is like Schrodinger cat

[tropic summit]

eh could be

[tropic summit]

that SBS matchup was still way too close, but worked

[shell hazel]

I might have to buy this just to get Cindy an upgrade

I've been farming Ultra for about a month and not a single pilgrim def helm

[keen vapor]

I listen suggestions

[tropic summit]

[keen vapor]

You don't have to

I'll wait to see how annoyed Eon is with my results

So far 2 out of 3 are fails

[cedar orbit]

dude in my bracket probably has a lvl 10 counter, 4 attack lines Scarlet, hard to live vs Blanc buff

[coarse lake]

Eh.. just god comp it

[keen vapor]

You know I can't

[coarse lake]

Seemed like only maiden is left alive now, prob fine

[tropic summit]

is it possible to take a different approach and just mess up their blanc indom target?

e.g with a cindy 2RL or just RH to hit centi

[cedar orbit]

crazy how you guys decided to use Noah Bisccuit on the Scarlet Blanc team instead on the SBS

[keen vapor]

I have traumas against the first one

[coarse lake]

I rarely bother with sbs comps

Not even Noah biscuit is that reliable if they also negate your dps

Scar Cindy much easier to deal with

Blanc Bscar I completely ignore

[cedar orbit]

I once ran a 5 RL Moran Biscuit into SBS, was free

[coarse lake]

Bscar always has that element of doubt, invest makes a big diff

Other defending dps are way more consistent

I've nearly lost against Bscar using Noah biscuit before, only Cindy decoy saved me

[wise horizon]

T1 (top), T2 (middle)., T3 (bottom), left is me, right is opponent. looks ok? T2, T3 is the focus

[keen vapor]

Not a single support Pilgrim helmet on my case

[cedar orbit]

I wonder if RH+Helm+random sniper could do it

[shell hazel]

yeah gear farm is pretty rough with poor RNG, I've had def helms for other manufacturers many times over

[keen vapor]

Can't

[coarse lake]

Have you tried the Cindy God comp

[limber patrol]

how does it look like?

[cedar orbit]

Don't think team 3's Rapi lives that. On team 1, you B2-ing with RH?

[keen vapor]

2RL, I did, it works as well

[keen vapor]

Guess I can try without Jackal

[unkempt kestrel]

is sanis teams still use alot now?

havent been seeing them recently

[tropic summit]

plenty

[tropic summit]

typical variations are either 3RL or 4RL

noah noise biscuit s.anis rapu (3RL)
noah biscuit rapu s.anis flex (3RL)
noah biscuit rapu s.anis crown (4RL)

indom variation:

s.anis blanc rh centi jackal

2RL variation:

noah centi biscuit s.anis jackal

[white compass]

Would u guys OL 1x pepper Moran and noise for pvp or waste of rocks

And equip mats. And money.

[keen vapor]

Nvm, I checked records, that thing only reaches 2rl bc of feed so I need Jackal

[tropic summit]

oh forgot to reply to this, i'm using this

[wise horizon]

by the way, 2 RH are being used and also the opponents T1 is Noah, Rosanna, Cinderella, Liter, Biscuit

[coarse lake]

Do standard Blanc emi rh against their bay, shooting range it

Rh will solo that team

[keen vapor]

Yeah, but I had a specific question about it

How worth it is to skip 15 gems

[keen vapor]

It has-.... No, the record I remember was about RH not finishing Cindy..... But what about Biscuit + defender

[tropic summit]

it's still recommended to not skip them 🤔

as you can get way worse

[keen vapor]

You should be confused, put @unique wagon at the phone he should know

[tropic summit]

you mean not even prydwen is updated?

https://www.prydwen.gg/nikke/guides/collection-dispatch/

i figured it was reliable at least on the date

[cedar orbit]

I mean, Prydwen also says Quency:EQ is SS tier in PVP

[keen vapor]

Im making this
https://media1.tenor.com/m/ZbIGjTu3lu4AAAAd/se-la-comieron-los-gatos-malcom.gif

[shell hazel]

I was going to do this more seriously when I actually got all the dispatch slots unlocked myself

[tropic summit]

yeah guide recommends to only start doing at a certain point in progress

[shell hazel]

i'm on 14 slots and I think 1 is fav item so 13

can get at least 1 more, and then the same cost for re-roll applies to an additional one

[keen vapor]

That's when I started

[shell hazel]

oh jesus I just checked and I only get the last slot in 3 more levels lol

yeah maybe I should start now as well..

[keen vapor]

Yeah, push tower

[shell hazel]

I've pushed it as far as I can for now 😦

I need the upgradings

[keen vapor]

Ah

RH should stay alive on P2, she has maxed doll

[shell hazel]

so for the assignment things, accept all the ideal/acceptable ones and send them off, then re-roll the rest?

[cursive summit]

Sees a notifcation here, but I dont see the message

[keen vapor]

Essentially

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-i-dont-even-know-who-you-are-marvel-gif-16323196

[strong hull]

🫴

4:40am gn from now

[cedar orbit]

can't believe bro just asks for 3 teams, then just leaves

[tropic summit]

what are you doing still up at 4:40AM on monday

[strong hull]

Malding 30 ranked matched

25 lost 5 wins

[tropic summit]

sleep well

[strong hull]

I can check the bing chilling he give me when im up tho

Its not his first time building 3 defs for me aswell

[cedar orbit]

@tropic summit when are you going to build me 3 teams?

[unkempt kestrel]

is sbs in p1 really bad?

[tropic summit]

do you even need help anymore?

pretty sure you holding ch1-ch3 range with no problems

[fathom rock]

Add context to that

[unkempt kestrel]

just my remainingcp team ish

[fathom rock]

Not a big deal

[unkempt kestrel]

ty

[cedar orbit]

sometimes I cook teams that manage to defend for a week or two, but two people keep hitting me while they fight eachother

3rd is my new home, I'm gatekeeping Misspaff from top 3

[tropic summit]

naga centi cind anis rouge
ein blanc pepper noir jackal
noah crown biscuit sbs liter

cubes:

quantum on jackal, anis, centi
vigor on blanc, pepper, biscuit
temperance on noah
any other nikke use highest lvl cube available

wishlist/build: noise, scarlet, rumani, rapunzel
treasure: get helmT asap

[strong hull]

5th 3 defs les go.

[tropic summit]

eh looks way better than some other ppl are dealing with here, some dude was going from ch2 to dia1

[spiral onyx]

The investment requirements is extremely high but it's a feasible comp. Somehow though it's not 100% damage reduction, probably due to not SR15 doll and Nero not being at max stacks all the time, but it's definitely very viable

For reference, here's an earlier recording with less invested Nero. I think there's some potential here for sure, will play around with Frima in place of Moran later.

[cedar orbit]

hard to do that here, as far as I see, every position beside 1, 3, 6 gave up on life and have been sitting in their current pos for a while.

[cedar orbit]

Is this even a real team?

[wise horizon]

Victory! Thanks @tropic summit

[tropic summit]

haha this took way more tries than needed

good thing rosanna broke link on scarlet late enough, you noticed how she almost died there

[spiral onyx]

It works, yes

[lunar pawn]

was this a good rookie defense?

[unique wagon]

God, Nero can revive twice there

[lunar pawn]

oh hey, keripo's alive

[tropic summit]

@wise horizon who has highest HP total between RH and jackal btw? just to know if you'd get indom on either of the two on worse case scenario

[unique wagon]

Dont think Frima can help that team survive Cindy

[spiral onyx]

One issue is the general lack of damage output from my side but once Helm is maxed out that should help a lot

[tropic summit]

it is counterable, but it's not weak per se

running a 2RL or 2.5RL is generally more reliable than 3RL on rookie

[unique wagon]

I cant even see who Helm hit

[lunar pawn]

was running the usual scarlet team, switched to the 2RL cindy one, was gonna try this one now, but unsure

[tropic summit]

i think this could interest you guys, as fellow Nero havers

@umbral crown @worthy knoll

#pvp-arena message

[cedar orbit]

Tr1 Helm

[spiral onyx]

It's more an issue of if they have sustain damage going into Full Burst, this stall team may lose

[tropic summit]

well worth trying for 24hrs, worse case scenario you can scrap that

[spiral onyx]

The sustain isn't that high

[lunar pawn]

yea will see

[spiral onyx]

Compared to, say, my old Quiry stall team

Pre-Noise nerf that is

Noise and Rapunzel nerfs killed sustain teams

[tropic summit]

when are you leaving for china trip again btw? wasn't it soon?

[spiral onyx]

Wed

[wise horizon]

Between jackal and RH, jackal has the higher HP total

[tropic summit]

oh perfect, you'd get RH indommed instead if scarlet died

would work out

[unique wagon]

Everyone in my pvp is now 2 level breakpoints away gg im dead and me still holding core dust

They opened all their dust

[tropic summit]

new campaign stages soon, hang in there

[cedar orbit]

just buy more

[keen vapor]

[unique wagon]

Still dies to 2 RL Cindy tho maybe idk

[grizzled bone]

have a safe and fun trip!

[unique wagon]

The buffed by Noise variant

But I wonder how revive would interact with the wipe

[tropic summit]

you mean mana revive?

[worthy knoll]

I think all I can say.. that Cindy was weak

Well kidding aside, its prolly

[unique wagon]

I think the comp is good... As attacker

Cus 2 big threats here is Rosanna Scar Blanc 2 RL and Cindy Noise 2 RL

[glad meteor]

Would novel wreck nero

[worthy knoll]

Yeah its 3 RL

[wicked horizon]

The more I look at available units, the more I realize there isn't much in terms of B1 and B2...

[unique wagon]

No, cus Mana will revive her

[tropic summit]

this?

[unique wagon]

Then if she dies again, Rapu will revive her

[glad meteor]

Yeah, but revives

[wicked horizon]

Where's all my B1 and B2 burst gen? 😭

[unique wagon]

That needs 100 years to fully stack btw

Blanc counters Nero somewhat

[glad meteor]

Only blanc and srosanna

[unique wagon]

or u can try Emma and rng the f

[glad meteor]

Damage reduction meta is why i consider srosanna in pvp

[tropic summit]

good times playing Emma

[unique wagon]

XAnne counters all heals

[keen vapor]

Where's my x Anne

[tropic summit]

in rerun waiting queue

[unique wagon]

We are missing the Helm bonk satisfaction

[keen vapor]

Kisenix, where's update

[glad meteor]

Would emma die to nero?

[unique wagon]

What update

[unique wagon]

More like she dies to Helm and Mana

U dont joke around that Mana has 130% ATK buff

[glad meteor]

I see

[unique wagon]

U can see she healed herself

[unique wagon]

Theres no update, just take all core dust credits and gems. If u buy the $15 pack, the advice is no longer applicable.

[wicked horizon]

Isn't treasure Drake nuke damage like really high now?
Would she be a reasonable replacement for Cinderella, since she doesn't gimp your overall burst gen?

[glad meteor]

Her burst only hits one

[unique wagon]

No, she's just cp padder lol

[glad meteor]

[wicked horizon]

Drake's?

[glad meteor]

Yeah

[keen vapor]

so skipping 15 gem not worth, why

[wicked horizon]

What's... "attack range" mean in PvP?

[glad meteor]

Unless treasure changed something

[unique wagon]

Well guys how does Drake S2 hit on 5th attack count toward burst gen

51 shots?

[glad meteor]

For sbs it means it hit both sides. For drake it hit’s who she’s targetting if I’m not mistaken

[unique wagon]

60 shots prayge

[wicked horizon]

Damn, nevermind then, ig.

[glad meteor]

I used to wonder why people used maiden over drake. Then I found out why

[wicked horizon]

I thought it was like... something to do with weapon ranges.

[unique wagon]

No thats cus Maiden wipe good for low syncs btw champs locked to sync 400 I bet its prolly like solo raid for pvp peeps

Maybe got Top 100 3% too

[cedar orbit]

going off text alone, it should be a single hit

[worthy knoll]

Who will Rapu revive?

[unique wagon]

Nero? If she dies?

[worthy knoll]

Ahh you are expecting the other attackers not to die?

[unique wagon]

Depends on enemy comp

I think the brick happens if enemy Rosanna wipes Helm and Mana its ggwp

[worthy knoll]

Nah I can still see a Blanc Emi lineup stamping this out

Nero will survive

Moran could survive

But the others will prolly die 🤔

[unique wagon]

Yeah team no damage

[worthy knoll]

Once Rapu falls over Nero is gonna fall too

[glad meteor]

I was thinking noise blanc cindy flex jackal

[unique wagon]

Nah, regular Blanc Emi RH 3 RL will do.

[unique wagon]

But

[glad meteor]

Don’t know who to put in flex though, there’s feed which will open up options

[worthy knoll]

How does Mana heal again?

[unique wagon]

Bro not Drake dying to counterattack

[unique wagon]

Helm lifesteal

[glad meteor]

10 hits

[unique wagon]

Eh Helm ignores taunt?

[worthy knoll]

Oh yeah thats enough for Nero to heal and get stacks

[spiral onyx]

Both Nero and Moran have taunts

[unique wagon]

Huh

Ur Helm shooting enemy Drake

[worthy knoll]

It ignores on defending

Attract is ignored for defending team

And they will target as per normal targetting

[unique wagon]

Next time show damage graph I wanna see

[worthy knoll]

Since Helm is SR, she will hit P5

[unique wagon]

He is the one attacking

[glad meteor]

I think it focuses p5 then follows the taunt

[worthy knoll]

Yeah for the defending team attract is not gonna work

Thats why attacking SR is hitting P5

[unique wagon]

I thought its P5 then P1 for RH Alice

I didnt know all SRs got affected

[worthy knoll]

Attract just doesn't work on defending teams

[glad meteor]

All weapon types get affected, it’s just most taunters are put in p1 and target p1

[worthy knoll]

Like For example you do a
Noise Noah Biscuit some B3 Jackal team

[unique wagon]

Im sure SAnis rays can get taunted wdym

I literally saw them going for both enemy taunters on defense

[glad meteor]

Skills get taunted but not autos

[worthy knoll]

Noah will burst, skills will be taunted but normal attacks will hit Noise for non SR attackers

[unique wagon]

If thats the case ig

[glad meteor]

Happens with sbs s1 too

[unique wagon]

So is that why people are running Noah Noise

[unique wagon]

This is only for Attract right not Taunt

Taunt will still taunt?

[worthy knoll]

Yeah only for Attract Taunt

Taunt debuff will work

[unique wagon]

Ok nice bug

[worthy knoll]

Its been like that

[glad meteor]

Feature*

[worthy knoll]

Since Rookie Arena release

[glad meteor]

[unique wagon]

Bug that SU dont know how to fix

[worthy knoll]

[bleak shale]

all of pvp is a bug

[unique wagon]

Why bother pvp

[cedar orbit]

who attracts?

[keen vapor]

Eon, you know my RH can't kill Biscuit so fast and that Emi dies early

[keen vapor]

Yes

[worthy knoll]

the reason why you get that Alice and RH not getting taunted by Noah is kinda related since their burst just increase their normal attack damage and speed rate of each hit

It is still a normal attack instead of a skill

[unique wagon]

Me:

• Does not invest in Rumani.
• Does not invest in Laplace.
• Does not invest in Nero, Moran, Rosanna, Mana.
• Does not invest in Rapunzel.
• Does not invest in Anis.
• Does not invest in PvP dolls.
• Enjoys PvP by forcing others to run my comps.
• Says nothing else.
• Gets bricked himself.

[keen vapor]

You whale

[unique wagon]

I always make mistakes in PvP.

[bleak shale]

same but not bricked and people jsut pm/@ me about things

[keen vapor]

Help

[unique wagon]

But I like experimenting so yeah chance of brick is high.

More knowledge more mistakes.

I mean more mistakes more knowledge.

[unique wagon]

God I cant build defense teams without Rumani Rosanna Laplace Moran Nero HelmTr Rapunzel Anis.

[bleak shale]

imagine not treasuring helm

[unique wagon]

Shes NOT 2 STAR YET

[bleak shale]

f2pbtw

i stole all ur helms

[wicked horizon]

Got anything without Emilia? =D
I'm sure I'll eventually get anyone else, but I don't have faith in Emilia coming back.

[bleak shale]

tbh i would just black ticket her

[unique wagon]

Pick the solution:

• friendship pulls,
• elysion mold,
• low quality mold,
• high quality mold,
• open 80 ordinary tickets to buy one copy from mileage,
• use selector that was meant for Moran,
• pull in other banners and pray she spooks me

[bleak shale]

pull in other banner and pray she spooks u, along with molds

then wait for blue ticket to get 80 ordinary tickets

[unique wagon]

Doesnt sound convincing.

[bleak shale]

press mold rn itll be helm frfr

[unique wagon]

Nah, wait for next patch first. Rapi not in ordinary.

Gotta wait for Rapi yes.

[bleak shale]

rapi is only pilgrim mold

[wicked horizon]

How ****ed is this, and how do I make this less ****ed?

[keen vapor]

you can't

[wicked horizon]

I really can't live without the crazy burst gen characters on every team, I realize.

But there isn't enough.
There's 2 good B1 burst gens.
3 for B2, but one's a SR...

[cedar orbit]

SR Anis treasure when

[muted stag]

This is a win right?

@worthy knoll can help check burst gen for round 2

[worthy knoll]

I just realized it was the exact same team I just mouthed off randomly back then

[worthy knoll]

T1 will win.. T2 depends

[muted stag]

Should I change smth for t2?

I have xanne

[worthy knoll]

Well I'm not sure how it'll go for T2 but if you get blocked you lose, if you RH or Rapu survive the nuke you lose

I don't have a calc right now so I can gauge the speed, but you should be faster

[muted stag]

But would it be 2.5 RL vs 2.5 RL

Or 2.0 vs 2.5

[worthy knoll]

Its up to your Scarlet killing power

[muted stag]

But my scar will burst before their Noah?

[worthy knoll]

Yeah

It should

It now depends if you are able to kill them or not

[muted stag]

Or

Should I hit team 3 instead

I put Noah team on t3 then some random scar team for t1

But there’s blanc immortality also tho Welp

Nvm imma just yolo hit team 2

Thanks

[worthy knoll]

Hmm your Scar team should win this, if you kill Scar and XMaiden with your slash.. they should be slower

[muted stag]

Ah yeah i will burst first

[worthy knoll]

Well also killing Blanc is a win for you against that

[muted stag]

They also no rapu to revive

[worthy knoll]

Yup

[keen vapor]

LET'S GOOOOOOOOO

[spiral onyx]

Did they screw up target skipping

I want to know why is Mana getting hit

[keen vapor]

Yeah @coarse lake I don't think this will be consistent either

[wicked horizon]

Is this better?
I feel like if I'm already 3RL on the 2nd team, I could get some better unit, but idk who.

[worthy knoll]

Timestamp?

[spiral onyx]

Oh nvm it's just Scarlet counters

[worthy knoll]

Weren't you jusr getting S2?

[spiral onyx]

Yeah lol

[worthy knoll]

[wicked horizon]

Also, how much does Jackal actually generate burst from being hit?

[worthy knoll]

3.55% per 10 hits received

1 SG ammo = 10 pellets so just one ammo hits 10 times

[wicked horizon]

So, even a team with only RLs would realistically trigger that 4 times within 2RL?

[worthy knoll]

If the link is on P1 P2 then yeah

Not 4 times

Just 1 time though

[wicked horizon]

Run me through the math.

[worthy knoll]

Coz 5+5 in 2 RL

Unless its a dual shoot like Laplace+ Noah or XMaiden

[worthy knoll]

Answer me this..
What does RL hit when attacking or defending

[wicked horizon]

You mean the positions?
Or that it ideally hits 2 covers and 2 characters when shooting at the unit on the edge?

[worthy knoll]

Yeah what position?

[wicked horizon]

Position 1 in either case?

[worthy knoll]

P1 right? So it hit 2 characters at most

Lets say only P1 is linked to Jackal

How many times does P1 unit gets hit in 2 RL time?

[wicked horizon]

2*5=10

Right, and that'd be one trigger.

[worthy knoll]

Yes

So its one trigger only so +3.55%

[wicked horizon]

Hmmm

But if I put Jackal in P2?

[worthy knoll]

Now if it has P1 P2 unit is linked

Or is a jackal there

It just becomes 5x2x2

20 hits assuming, so at most 2 procs in 2 RL

Assuming its not a multi hit like Noah, XMaiden or Laplace+

[spiral onyx]

Lmao

[wicked horizon]

Okay, thank you.

[worthy knoll]

Oh so Mana was enough to let Nero stack

[tender valve]

https://tenor.com/view/death-note-gif-25596232

[worthy knoll]

My Only issue is Mana is an attacker, that is prone to get Scarlet S2ed

And whenever you slot her in, she will most likely be always highest attack

So she always get the Jackal link, or get targetted by SAnis

[wicked horizon]

26 seconds of waiting for someone else's round to load. 💀

[keen vapor]

Mica saw me
https://x.com/KOGG__/status/1881472769151680796?t=bD6I3q2OfSuHuI9rPawUPA&s=19

X

X · Jan 20, 2025, 10:43 PM

[covert lintel]

all tempering cube?

[keen vapor]

Good question

[spiral onyx]

Very close, this has some potential

[unkempt kestrel]

s2 treasure is not mandatory for helm for burst gen right? just need s1 treasure and max s1. s2 is just person damage.

[spiral onyx]

S2 also increases the team buff

[umbral crown]

arigatou

[shell hazel]

that looks kind of nuts, all the revives and healing and things, makes that a very tanky comp

[keen vapor]

I have Nero : pepeh:

[shell hazel]

I'm not sure I have nero

is she a limited unit?

[lunar pawn]

no

[worthy knoll]

Is the Cindy at P2 on purpose? To make opponent gain more gen?

[shell hazel]

i'll check if I have her, smg unit so I'd actually get use for my 50 million SMG dolls I keep getting 😄

[worthy knoll]

I want Nero too

[grizzled gull]

Idk I was lagging but not disconnecting so I kept spamming the start button and that's what pops out

Sadly I didn't try to fight it ;-;
I should have ngl, considering it has 12345678 power level

[spiral onyx]

Just me messing around, I forgot about that lol

[shell hazel]

damn no Nero 😦

adds to wishlist

[worthy knoll]

Also have her on my wishlist hoping she shows up

[shell hazel]

my wishlist is full of nikke I am missing, I keep getting dupes of ones I have

ah well, I'll do some ordinary recruits soon should have 50-70 pulls in the next week or so

I won't wait for Rapi to appear on it, I actually need other units more 🙂

[umbral crown]

but not invested

go max skill, max doll, mlb and good OL lines

[keen vapor]

Did you?

[umbral crown]

ofc

[keen vapor]

Prove it

[umbral crown]

you already saw the proof, getting the tag from rail

[keen vapor]

Nuh uh

[lone sequoia]

my nero is full 10 SR+15 and i he didn't tag me*; rosy's nero is better than mine

[keen vapor]

[umbral crown]

maybe because you are shy

[keen vapor]

How you guys have enough mats

@umbral crown how many times you reset dispatch

[calm gull]

[lone sequoia]

you never have enough mats

my b2 buffers are like +4~7

[umbral crown]

0 times, i just open it and hope for the best

[keen vapor]

Doll mats

[lone sequoia]

SR+5 pve units

[umbral crown]

you just need too focus in 1 unit till max and then move to the rest

[lone sequoia]

SR+15 important units and treasure

[umbral crown]

SR0

[lone sequoia]

SR0 is fine if you will not go for +15

[keen vapor]

Damage reduction is not enough

I need HP as well

I have to R15-SR5 everyone

[lone sequoia]

reroll dispatch, get golden boxes, and don't waste purple/golden mats in R puppets

[keen vapor]

Feels like I'm the only one who pads every PVP unit around here...

[lone sequoia]

i don't use my rocks

also no dupes in some of my teams, so low cp

[keen vapor]

Like this

[keen vapor]

And well, I do use them

[keen vapor]

Yeah, me too

[umbral crown]

you need to focus in 1 unit till max doll then keep working n the rest, if not you will probably have maybe 3-4 units max doll

[keen vapor]

Is what I do

[umbral crown]

how many max doll you have?

[keen vapor]

5... Could be six

[umbral crown]

could be 10 for you but fear to success

[keen vapor]

I need to R15 helm

Then I can use purple gold kits

[umbral crown]

Give her SR0 and give all the kits to her

[upper grove]

what kinda team is good vs Noah Biscuit Noise Cindy Jackal?

[young folio]

too many of my SR15 units arent great or are redundant pvp. Rapipi/Hood/Alice/SBS/Crown/CIndy =/

[raven plover]

they all great on pvp

[keen vapor]

[umbral crown]

Can i reset rapipi?

[raven plover]

mast pvp unit confirmed?

[keen vapor]

Emilia Blanc RH crown jackal ..... Wait, that Noah might outlive Emilia

[umbral crown]

Probably

[umbral crown]

Probably nope, but lets wait for kit

[upper grove]

No Emilia, bracket started during EVA so no sanis either

[umbral crown]

🧱

[keen vapor]

Maybe 2 RL Scarlet if high investment

[upper grove]

I tried using something like Noah Jackal Biscuit Cindy laplace+ but it's not consistent, sometimes their Noise dies sometimes she survives and I lose sometimes, if Noise dies asap then my team wins. I need something more consistent. My Scarlet is not invested enough atm

2RL Cindy is too slow because of the slightly delayed burst right?

[raven plover]

then no reset

[umbral crown]

imma brick myself during 2.5 anni

[unique wagon]

Im alr bricked

[coarse lake]

Who's their p1

[upper grove]

Noah

[coarse lake]

Who has taunt prio pre burst

[upper grove]

Should be Noise

[coarse lake]

Is noise linked

[upper grove]

I assume yes, can't check the team right now

[coarse lake]

When noise dies is their Cindy jackal also almost dead

[unique wagon]

@bleak shale make me comp without LaplaceTr and Rosanna and Anis

[upper grove]

jackal should be, I'm not sure about Cindy. Their team is 3 RL, my 2RL scarlet can't wipe them w/o buffs. Should I try 2RL with scarlet and RH B1? - nvm I'm 16% deficit if I try 2RL

[wicked horizon]

Can anyone analyze this and tell me how bad of a job I did?
No but really, I'm trying to set a team goal for myself for the (relatively far) future, and I'd like the theoretical best.

[coarse lake]

How built is your rapipi, also this is why you always record fights

[upper grove]

maxed 101010 SR15, 1 ele line 1 atk 3 max ammo

[coarse lake]

Noah/rapipi/biscuit/rh/jackal, record it

[upper grove]

wouldn't rapi be B1 here with RH B3 or is it intentional?

[coarse lake]

Jackal is b1

[swift mango]

Rumani+Blanc+Biscuit+Cindy+CP flex

[coarse lake]

That setup doesn't actually work in my experience, Cindy autos not enough to kill before indom runs out

[swift mango]

Her Ulti just wipe... Could go slower if you insist

[coarse lake]

Both teams 3rl

[swift mango]

Not really

The flex can be Crown. And it's 4rl or below

[coarse lake]

Their p1 is Noah, crown won't feed, still hit Noah invuln

[swift mango]

Could replace Rumani to be even slower

Moran+Blanc+Biscuit+Cindy+LapT for example

5 RL not impossible

[placid breach]

@tropic summit sorry another question, does that mean also morran also benched too with team you recommended, so i can reset her when i have chance?

[swift mango]

Defense team will need to be changed every week if your bracket is even a little bit sweaty

[placid breach]

it feel about same at my level lol since people have couple thousand of cp over me lol

i think i would need make my units 400+ in order to see a change

[keen vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1026322546934698004.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=whyyysnapped

[placid breach]

i usually just rank 50-30 if dont forget to attack back if someone steals

[swift mango]

In fact I'm changing my defense every single day just to get 1 defense win every once in a while....

Need helm treasure so badly...

[keen vapor]

[placid breach]

what do helm treasure do

[swift mango]

Make my team 2rl

[valid fern]

Shes good off burst atk dmg buff too. I even used her instead of Naga in campaign sometimes.

[placid breach]

reload?

[coarse lake]

Maxwell more like trashwell

Until next year when she gets broken treasure

Rest of her squad already got them, it's her turn next

[swift mango]

I will use her instead on Naga for campaign because I don't have Naga built

She could one shot boss as well with her burst

[upper grove]

isn't naga core dmg better usually for regular campaign stages?

[swift mango]

Feel like she would power creep Naga easily

[swift mango]

If you use Alice with macro on a PC client then absolutely

[placid breach]

i thought u not suppose use macro alice since ban are risky

[bleak shale]

depends on the dps ur using

[upper grove]

I manual Alice and can get ~30 shots in per full burst on avg

[bleak shale]

i can tell u manual alice gets warned more often than non manual

because u can click fast enough that it bops u anyways

[swift mango]

Well, just don't share the macro and that you used it

[unique wagon]

Only applicable to young hands.

[quick lake]

If u manual too well also can get accused of macro

[upper grove]

sometimes I can get up to 35 shots. DPS are usually Alice SBS, changing SBS for other dps with correct element

[unique wagon]

@bleak shale where is my comp

[bleak shale]

but yea if ur dps is like RH alice where u gain alot from core damage naga is generally stronger asuming u are hitting cores

[placid breach]

okay... cough if someone can show me way of how not use alice marco pls in dm XD

[bleak shale]

if ur running like sbs/cindy helm picks up

[coarse lake]

Helm heal is basically zero

If you need heals at all you're dead

[bleak shale]

because ur core damage % of total damage is lower so naga is buffing less of ur dmg

[swift mango]

Enough to trigger Crown every second

[upper grove]

for big helm heal she has to burst right? the small passive heal hits crown 100% of the time unlike Naga I guess

especially when some aoe dmg is involved

[bleak shale]

i dont do random cooks anymore

[unique wagon]

Its not random cus it's me

[coarse lake]

Helm is also diminished returns with crown

[upper grove]

both are attack dmg yea

[coarse lake]

Still the second best flex support option tho

[swift mango]

[unique wagon]

Wrong.

Helm perma activates S2 and also atk dmg of Crown is not THAT big to dilute it.

Its literally just 36%

[coarse lake]

It's still diluted

[bleak shale]

technically not wrong cuz u lose ~6% from 26% when converted to actual damage increase but not the worst

[swift mango]

And Nage core buff is diluted by Crit dmg and base core dmg.

[unique wagon]

Best case u get 47% atk damage + 14.6% crit rate on normal attacks, worst case you get 27% atk dmg + 14.6% crit rate on normal attacks, some small heals to survive long fights (bossing usually), and A LOT OF BURST GEN SUPPORT.

[swift mango]

What is more diluted here?

[bleak shale]

naga is also like 120% increase vs 27.87%

[unique wagon]

Sure Naga is better against cores

[keen vapor]

PVP has not

[bleak shale]

generally ide say the defining factor is the 2 dps in ur team

[swift mango]

Her skill 2 isn't activate 100%

[coarse lake]

The one time I can see you use helm over naga for mob stages is if you're somehow not running rh or alice

[swift mango]

And core hitting isn't 100% either unless you use macro on pc

[bleak shale]

u dont shoot 5 times in 5s?

[unique wagon]

Nah CP padding

[coarse lake]

My naga cp is much higher than she has business having

[unique wagon]

Well to be fair SBS has never scaled well with Naga

[unique wagon]

Helm SR15 shud have higher CP unless your Naga also has SR 15 with minmaxed OLs

[coarse lake]

Pretty sure she's higher cp than my laplace+, and she's just sr5

[swift mango]

Well... I guess I do

[coarse lake]

Still haven't figured out why

Prob a combo of nearly core 7 and high amount of lines

[unique wagon]

Makes sense

[bleak shale]

this, if u try kraken with sbs alice helm u notice alice dmg drops but sbs picks up slack cuz she gets buffed better

[coarse lake]

Also is the boss always highest atk, I'm pretty sure there are some stage bosses with lower atk than adds

Going by Sanis targeting that I see

Well it's prob not enough dmg to use anyway

[swift mango]

Also, 120% core dmg to 250% base is less than 50% increase.

28 to 140% base is still 20% increase.

Not that bad. Considering Helm also contribute dmg. Triggering Crown 100% no matter who got hit. And increase the whole team dmg as well. On top of can be used with RH burst 3.

[coarse lake]

Even if it gets full burst bonus somehow, if rapipi isn't 1 tapping with burst hit she ain't either

[swift mango]

She will be 100% better than Naga for phone user in campaign imo. Unless they have some kind of god hands.

[coarse lake]

I don't think no burst helm dmg is anything notable

Essentially double the DMG of a standard sniper

[bleak shale]

i mean i did a comparison earlier, my helm only has s2 lvl 7 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956169630400016384/1330918684511965227/image.png?ex=679062dd&is=678f115d&hm=24336871afe379d04b94b11ed7cd3bf234beeaba3ab7c2a0dfc618e74212bc87&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956169630400016384/1330918684922740736/image.png?ex=679062dd&is=678f115d&hm=05aea50cfcdeb6db979328980888091036d19c10b76ba1010f9606679194fe0b&

[swift mango]

At less she would deal 4 times Naga dmg

[coarse lake]

Hell no

[swift mango]

Hell yeah

[bleak shale]

if ur dps uses core hit generally naga will edge out, if ur dps is cindy/sbs/sanis ect helm will win

[coarse lake]

You overestimate how strong a standard sniper hit is

[unique wagon]

Helm is obv worse against core

[swift mango]

Well, you underestimating how many stage with out of reach enemies to sg

[quick lake]

Ur pvp helm will have 4x cs 4xatk too

[bleak shale]

honestly half the time i expect my helm to do 1 dmg ngl

because my rh/alice sometimes does 1 dmg outside burst

[unique wagon]

Nah it's strong cus S2 buff

[bleak shale]

[quick lake]

Sweaty high deficit player

[coarse lake]

S2 about doubles her dmg

That is still competing with a SG

[upper grove]

sniper dps hitting for 1 outside burst is so real

[unique wagon]

Some people prefer RH Crown B3 B3 Helm in campaign

Due to cp padding

[swift mango]

Good luck getting Naga deal DMG to anything 10 meter away

[bleak shale]

i think both r good options

pick depending on ur dps

[quick lake]

Who would have thought Helm would have a niche slot in campaign teams

[unique wagon]

Nah pick depending on ur cp

Or just slap Rapi

[bleak shale]

we're returning to 2022

[quick lake]

Everyone was more hyped on Drake treasure over helm treasure at the start

[unique wagon]

Its 2nd generic best slot

[bleak shale]

drake is the raid pick

[quick lake]

Helm still the best pick among this batch's treasure

[bleak shale]

tbh get both

[quick lake]

No mats

[bleak shale]

technically drake treasure bricks ur sains for pvp right?

[quick lake]

Possibly

[bleak shale]

so u cant use drake + sanis anymore has to be another clip sg

[unique wagon]

Naga is 120%, for normal DPS thats ~60% damage boost for core attacks. 48% within Full Burst. 42.85% within Full Burst and distance.

[coarse lake]

Just don't run those teams, overrated

[quick lake]

Ppl should should avoid 2 SGs in SPA, but still an easy work around

Just use Laplace or xMaiden in SAnis team

[unique wagon]

Oh forgot crits but whatever

[coarse lake]

Or y'know, helm if you want buff

[bleak shale]

i use 2 sg team because my sanis doesnt have scarlet protection anyways

so i double down on my weaknesss and stuck bsoda in there for cp

[unique wagon]

Helm is around

[bleak shale]

"if im already screwed i may as well be doubly screwed and better vs others"

[coarse lake]

Pretty sure drake is only used bc she provides something to Sanis, that tiny atk buff

[quick lake]

Maybe I should start running Helm in my campaign :sips:

[unique wagon]

17.6%~32.35% for DPS if no other Damage sources

[coarse lake]

I'll run helm in only these situations:

1. No core boss that I don't need heals on
2. Running neither RH or Alice

Thought about rebuilt cucumber at low deficit, my supports prob die anyway

[unique wagon]

U only run helm for campaign cp padding nothing else

[quick lake]

Helm probably better for me cause i usually run SBS Alice

Well, stuck at MC for a while. No normal stages for me

[swift mango]

Or being a phone user and hard to hit core.

[bleak shale]

when do i get my liter treasure where every smg bullet gives 5% burst fill gauge

[coarse lake]

Your Alice dmg will tank

[swift mango]

Many boss doesn't have core anywau

[coarse lake]

Well you use Bscar Alice usually when wind weak anyway, ig that's fine

[unique wagon]

Not if she has more cp

[swift mango]

Good luck beating them with Naga

[quick lake]

Yeah true. Mob clearing vs bossing tradeoff I guess

[coarse lake]

Many boss also want some heals

[unique wagon]

Holy cp compensation

[swift mango]

Just burst with Helm when your heal is low

[coarse lake]

Helm also competes with the 3rd non burst dps slot

[bleak shale]

just get helm treasure 3 and bop it with 8k helm nuke too

when u need heals

[unique wagon]

3rd non burst dps slot is always a joke

Modernia is used cus synergy with Rei nothing else

[bleak shale]

13 mana xmaiden is a joke to u

[coarse lake]

My Cindy competes with naga against nihil

[swift mango]

He is just cope for not building helm. Being doing that for awhile now

[unique wagon]

Sir she is made to be offburst that's different

[quick lake]

Can T.Helm Nuke normal stage bosses?

Probably half HP maybe

[swift mango]

Even said helm being not much use for arena

[coarse lake]

Not unless blue or ele adv probably