pvp-arena

[loud sonnet]

she will revive the dead ally highest atk without bursting
Do i understand it right?

[shell hazel]

that is how I read it

[quick lake]

Seems like a pvp unit wtffff

Enables Emilia MOAR?

[graceful grotto]

why emilia?

[shell hazel]

unless they re-run I won't ever get Emilia, luckily it seems due to my start date no one else will have her either lol

[quick lake]

Okay, may not Emilia. It says it reduces charge time by 0.18s

Enables SBS tbh

[graceful grotto]

ah

[quick lake]

Mana Blanc SBS

[graceful grotto]

emilia does have 1 second charge time lol

[quick lake]

3 seconds i think..?

okay, but emilia not meaningful here I think

[signal hull]

Good thing I decided against taking another copy of RRH. Should've stopped even earlier... Seems like Mana is an op pvp unit.

[graceful grotto]

oh u mean her ulti

yeah then 3sec

[limber rampart]

😞 help me beat this team pls i have been bullied for a long time

[quick lake]

Man, I didnt think Mana would be SO pvp focused

[quick lake]

Can run Scarlet Blanc RH Centi Jackal
or
Noah Centi Cindy Biscuit Noise

[graceful grotto]

I see some says she'll replace Alice in kraken

Might be plausible, given she heals to proc crown buff so u can take out Naga too

[quick lake]

I think her personal dmg looks pretty decent as well. We might even be able to run
SBS Alice Mana, without Naga

So SBS Kraken true hypercarry

[signal hull]

Try Noah/Biscuit/RH. You have to calculate to burst first right before him, so Cindy's burst went all to Noah's shields. After that it's all about who'll overpower who.
Edit: also you have a pve team with not enough burst, he probably bursts first. Might also go with Cindy and if you burst before him, he should lose. Try replacing Alice and Crown with some proper high burst-gen PVP units.

[wooden vapor]

Mana is gonna dominate in PVP

[signal hull]

Honestly, screw them. I just spent all resources on one OP unit and they release another...

[graceful grotto]

If u wanna capitalized on her charge speed reduction, u cant run Alice, and mana will have to burst for her burst gen thingy to proc too

[signal hull]

Ofc should wait for smarter people to evaluate her, but rn it looks like she'll be absolute pvp meta to me.

[graceful grotto]

So probably

Crown rapipi sbs mana ssak or smth

[quick lake]

Her sustained dmg is pretty massive. I think u could potentially run SRosanna over crown if u have SSak + Mana

[graceful grotto]

Oh well, you're pulling?

I'm so out of juice from pulls I might just wait till wishlist lol

It's great she make ssak relevant though, it's time my girl shine

[quick lake]

Need to pull for pvp likely.. Havent really thought about the teams much

[graceful grotto]

Idk about srosanna being able to overtook Mari as a relevant B2 though

[quick lake]

But like Noah SBS Biscuit Mana maybe
Thats.. actually more OP than I thought. Noah blocks incoming nuke. All attacks focused on P1, Biscuit Invuln P1 -> P1 eventually dies. Mana revives, then P1 gets invuln again

[graceful grotto]

If she does I might reset Mari next and just go for sros lol

[graceful grotto]

Does she reset biscuit passive?

[quick lake]

Biscuit is able to proc her passive again, if the nikke heals up to above the HP required

So revive counts

Wow, truly a monstrous PvP unit

[graceful grotto]

But biscuit heals when she proc her passive though

So most of the times even without mana she'll be able to proc her passive twice

Unless of course u nuke the defender unit directly from above 50% to 0

[quick lake]

Hmmm maybe

Tbh, Im also not v sure

[tropic summit]

noah biscuit rapu s.anis laplace already did that before mana tho?

or am i missing something

[quick lake]

ye I think it does, ignore me

[tropic summit]

feels like this unit was meant ahead of CA, maybe they planning to release actual arena oriented units by design instead of accidentantly for once 🤔

on the other hand, more units meant for offense and less for defense, again

[swift mango]

... I guess 0.5RL burst is possible with Mana now....

Rossanna new best friend... 2 sacr with just 1 lv1. 3 sacr with 2 lv1.

[quick lake]

Assuming no cp deficit

[swift mango]

Well p1 sacr I guess... Can do 1RL now with just 1 sacr...

Though Mana burst is not that strong I guess... So just more option for ATK mostly...

But everyone need to build Rossanna now ... Just to counter Rossanna sacr if some guy put it on DEF now...

And I'm pretty sure Rossanna S1 can dispel Mana both buff...

So need to bring 2 units with higher attack than her...

If you want to avoid...

[quick lake]

Hmmm. Yeah. Intentional unprotected P1, or sac P2

[swift mango]

Imagine building Rapu to be highest attack on the team.

Team got wiped > Rapu revive > Revive someone like RH or xAnne. > Full burst.

[graceful grotto]

hmmm i'm so confused on nikke's number lol

some says her atk buffs is good and her burst is strong, some says she bad

[lunar dirge]

But, what about double lvl1 sac with Mana+rosa

[graceful grotto]

at least for her personal dmg i mean

[swift mango]

That's what I said... 1rl possible

[quick lake]

U can push lv1 Anis in P1, let her die twice

[lunar dirge]

THE GOOFY ASS STARTS ARE REAL WITH THIS ONE🗣️🔥

[quick lake]

Thats 36*2 72% burst gen alone

[covert lintel]

2 lv1 sac won't possible

[lunar dirge]

I predicted it

[lunar dirge]

Possible against rl splash

[lunar dirge]

Death, revive, death

[lunar dirge]

Her burst is literally dot on a single taget

If I got it correctly

[quick lake]

0.5RL Nuke

[graceful grotto]

how she fairs with ssakura let's say, on kraken

[covert lintel]

oh u mean 1 lv1 sac + mana?

[lunar dirge]

should be less damage, but SBS buffer and viable off burst dps

[lunar dirge]

1lvl1 sac+Mana+rosanna

[quick lake]

Yep! So the same unit dies twice

[graceful grotto]

hmmm off burst meaning she only buff charge speed though

her burst gen shenanigan wont trigger if she's not the burst unit

[quick lake]

But she enables Rosanna nukes (assuming no CP diff)

[covert lintel]

i thought u will make 2 lv1 sac +mana

[lunar dirge]

doesn't matter ig, SBS buffer she is

[quick lake]

That is instant burst

36% burst gen x3

[lunar dirge]

Cp is cooked ngl

[swift mango]

Imagine 2 team with Rossanna both burst at 0.5RL...

[covert lintel]

but not possible, i tried that and my rosanna died first

[glad meteor]

Yeah, @swift mango is wasn’t a max invest Emilia, minimum invest

[lunar dirge]

Rip bozo, p2 Rosa user🫵

but tbh

cp is cooked if we do 2 lvl1

so she just died from random shit

[swift mango]

Both team each with Mana+Rossanna+lv1...

Now we can have fastest Arena burst ever...

[lunar dirge]

1 lvl 1 it is then

[quick lake]

Why not do like
sac1 sac2 Rosanna Mana RH

Whatr a meme

[covert lintel]

raise rosanna rate to sss pvp

[lunar dirge]

Cp is f'd up

[glad meteor]

Pretty much relies on Moran being last nikke standing. And high invest

[quick lake]

Yeah, thats the proble with sac in general

[lunar dirge]

Gl dealing with 40% deficit

[quick lake]

Probably Mast P1, sacc-ed twice

[swift mango]

It's also unknown how fast Mana revives though... If she takes her sweet time and revives after 1 RL...

[quick lake]

Mast Centi Viper/Crown Rosanna Mana SBS?

Might be viable

[lunar dirge]

Put crown

Still 1 rl

Ig

[swift mango]

Mana also enable slow team though... Imagine Biscuit+Cindy stall with Mana now... Especially very low ATK biscuit...

[quick lake]

Well, its 1 copy for me. Then we'll see how it goes

[lunar dirge]

Also solo burst chain b1 or b2 unit on p1 too

She can work as a pseudo biscuit there

Although, mind the burst gen increase of the enemy

Since target skip

[swift mango]

The question is, if she could revive when both her and another unit got wiped...

[glad meteor]

If rosanna doesn’t trigger gen on her death, then I doubt it, but best to wait

[upper grove]

who is trying to cook with Mana?

[glad meteor]

No OL for mana, so not me. Eva coming

[upper grove]

Me neither, I like the character but rapi ate all my skill books 10/10/10 I'm completely drained

[swift mango]

"Except caster" give me some hope that she could revive after a wipe on her...

Idk

What if 2 ally units has exactly same ATK? Would she revive both?

Or random or left most one?

,she could turn out stronger or much worse than I expected...

[quick lake]

Probably left to right

[covert lintel]

the first one to die ig

[quick lake]

Looks kinda OP

Problems with sac is still mainly the CP

[tender valve]

btw, when champion arena release ?

[pastel owl]

rossana sacrificial rutal meme, on offense you got cp deficit, on defense can be shotguned

[raven plover]

dunno maybe its 2.5 anniv

[tender valve]

ok thanks beb

[swift mango]

This team wouldn't make it 1RL... Maybe 2rl after Scarlet ded...

[swift mango]

On offense you can do fine... No one dumb enough to deficit themselves without a plan.

Defense is when it gets tricky

But you just need to out invest your bracket.

There are not much people invest in 3 lines OL Arena units anyway. If you invested enough you should be fine.

Rossanna counter Rossanna though....

[vapid lake]

Huh i actually got sniped down 1 rank last night

[shell hazel]

I finished in 2nd which I was happy with

[vapid lake]

Curious to see who did it, but that also means i'm free from that one guy who attacks me x2 every day and doesn't give up should be more chill now

[shell hazel]

got my 3000 gemmies time to blow them all on Mana (it sounds like anyway lol)

[vapid lake]

Whoever took my place is now gonna have to deal with that

I can feel everyone in my bracket becoming more bold when they see i'm not leveling and the gap is closing

[shell hazel]

assuming same bracket (this time as well as last season) I think 5 of the top 10 are 221+ and the rest are under, so hoping to keep a bit of a cp gap on them

[covert lintel]

ig mari is too much slow

[calm gull]

theres always someone who gatekeeping

[tropic summit]

lad probably wanted an headstart

still ratting it is tho

[vapid lake]

he can go deal with this guy not my problem anymore https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1177116972593463316/1325369998339866645/image.png?ex=6788b97f&is=678767ff&hm=c756b36a444dbeb42ec508fe95e7f9aa8ee9eb77f9ceeb7581892084606cf71e&

[tropic summit]

fun times ahead

[shell hazel]

you will be attacked at spot 3 instead 🙂

[vapid lake]

This guy clearly just clicks the highest rank he can possibly attack and doesn't think, i'm 100% sure he doesn't know how arena works

I gatekept him from top 3 for over 3 months

[shell hazel]

Railtracer I kept 2nd

[vapid lake]

I'll go back up to 2nd place when new chapters are actually out

[shell hazel]

I can't compete with guy in 1st on mine

guy in 3rd took 2nd off me once and I took it back, but otherwise it's fairly chill except the odd lower person who comes along and briefly steals it

[tropic summit]

ch2 and ch3 will do, hold them with your nails

[shell hazel]

yeah trying 😄

do you think Mana will be a must pull given her kit?

[tropic summit]

for CA it's useful, for SP arena has niche usage, would need more testing anyway though

[shell hazel]

fair, I'm going to get Scarlet to 4/4/7 later and then carry on OL my pvp units a bit before swapping back to campaign team some

[tropic summit]

yeah she's not on your priority list if anything

can still be wishlisted at least, since it's not a collab unit

[shell hazel]

no, but I wanted a minimum level of defense I think

[keen vapor]

One resurrect is not enough defense

For example, with SBS and Summer anis, after resurrecting they wouldn't be able to keep using their strong attacks like before dying

For Scarlet... Not sure

[tropic summit]

we don't know if her resurrection doesn't keep their buff previous death, depends on how fast it is, although if we're to assume it works like xanne and rapu, they shouldn't retain them

would be different if her "resurrection" is more of a deny death + autoheal, but again, needs to be seen

[swift mango]

For now we could know at least...

• She has burst gen of a Mag RL. (edit: Or Mag SG)

• Her revive and healing mechanic doesn't need bursting but likely can be dispelled by Rossana.

• She heal every 10 shots (1rl) so a good combo with Nero and Crown.

• A Free Sacr for Rossana.

[coarse lake]

we don't know her gen

most likely around regular SG

[swift mango]

Well, Mag AR with 80% bonus from skill

So should be around Mag RL

[coarse lake]

there is a pretty big gen range for ARs

[swift mango]

Not that big actually.... Moran has a little tiny bit higher not noticable most the time. Scarlet and Grave are Clip AR so gen around Mag RL.

[coarse lake]

the default for most is 7 in 3rl

[swift mango]

Yeah, she could a bit lower than Mag RL but should be interchangeable in most team.

[coarse lake]

that would make her mag sg not mag rl, a bit less than mag rl is if her base is about moran

[swift mango]

Maybe could count her Mag SG I guess.

[bleak shale]

if shes mag AR shes never reloading

5s reload

lmfao

[lunar dirge]

all i hope about is that it triggers rosanna s2

[bleak shale]

i expect her to be sw/mihara gen

which puts her right under rl

[lunar dirge]

a bit lower than scarlet

[lunar dirge]

6 seconds

you forget the 30 fps curse

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-nerd-emoji-gif-1712163874519931175

[bleak shale]

its 1.65 *3 for reload

1.67 actually

if she was clip

[swift mango]

Just roll for ammo

[coarse lake]

she's mag not clip, just a single reload in vid

[bleak shale]

i mean im not the one who said she was clip i jsut said she would have like 5s of relaod if she was

i expect her to be mihara/sw gun

[sudden meadow]

So I'm losing both of these matches, the first one I can kind of guess. Rocket Launcher just builds up burst fast and then I get nuked first.

For the second, the second the only difference is Cindy unless the Centi placement makes a difference. Does the Scarlet really make that much of a difference?

The power difference is over 100k so I assumed I'd wipe both of them.

Do I just do like the first guy and stack all burst builders if I want to beat them?

[bleak shale]

have u tried not putting cindy in p1

[sudden meadow]

Nope, where do I put her?

I assumed if I couldn't get her burst off then Hood would be able to carry the difference

[bleak shale]

ur giving them a ton more gen for having her in p1

and ur team is probably wiped after that

[sudden meadow]

I see, comparing my team to the second one. Why do I give them more gen than Scarlet?

[swift mango]

You losing because you put Cindy p1. Simple at that.

Even the whale 74 level above me now fear for his life and not flexing his Cindy p1 anymore.

You need invested units and 61+ level above them to flex Cindy p1.

[sudden meadow]

I see, any advice for placement?

Maybe just p3?

[swift mango]

You use Scarlet instead.

[sudden meadow]

Don't have her.

[swift mango]

Do you have Noah and Biscuit?

[sudden meadow]

I got her sexier version, but not the drunkard.

No, yes.

[umbral belfry]

is it still too early on thoughts of mana with her skills out?

[bleak shale]

probavbly protects p1, probably dies to rosanna

thats about it

[swift mango]

Try swap

Biscuit with Red Hood

Cindy with Jackal

[umbral belfry]

mayhap i will get to get bc i have no revive units

[sudden meadow]

That drops my CP a bunch, Biscuit isn't really developed compared to Hood.

I guess I'll do it for these specific teams.

[swift mango]

Then what is the lowest CP in your current team?

[sudden meadow]

Probably Jackal.

[swift mango]

Just wipe her before she burst.

Or bring a tanky team

[swift mango]

Try

Centi+Biscuit+Cindy+RH+Jackal then.

[sudden meadow]

You guys mind if I just post my roster? Maybe there are better teams for me to use.

[sudden meadow]

I'll try that, rip blanc.

[swift mango]

Yeah post your roster.... It's actually what we prefer it here.

Barely anyone would reply without it.

[sudden meadow]

Sorry, was worried that I'd look too much like I was begging for help without at least trying.

[swift mango]

4OL 444 skill. Purple doll

[swift mango]

Well, you could try the team I suggested to go their Cindy team at least.

Record it. Though..

[bleak shale]

technically 0

if ur cp is good enough

[swift mango]

Yeah, I would love it when my Blanc hit Jackal instead of Red hood if my Scarlet ded... Or better, Scarlet alive but Blanc still hit Jackal.

[sudden meadow]

Here they are

[sudden meadow]

I will, just gotta have to wait an hour since I already did my pvp stuff for the day.

[bleak shale]

just core diff it u already have defender hp diff

and scarlet hurts herself

[swift mango]

How invested is your XMaiden?

And 2B?

[sudden meadow]

Maiden, barely. 4/5/7 for skill and no overloads.

2B is 7/10/10 with 3/3/0/0 overloaded equips

I used to use her a lot in arena but kinda just stopped and changed teams

Roster was less developed then too, so maybe I could run a team that takes full advantage of her now

[tropic summit]

post your team and enemy team, maybe also your box, let's see what can be arranged.

your issue there is that they've higher burst gen than you do, it can be countered by matching for example a noah on their same burst speed or simply wiping them out before they hit burst

additionally, if they're not running a double buffed privaty, they might not be able to kill you as long as you've a defender in p1 and a biscuit

[strong hull]

[tropic summit]

hey that's fine, don't worry about asking help

hmm ok so maybe we need to boost your nuke with 1 more buffer

if you feel like it post the two teams, we can make something

[sudden meadow]

I commiserate with your Noahless existence

[tropic summit]

unfortunately not, besides either wiping them out first, using a rosanna to kill privaty, tanking it with a stall team or noah to counter it

atm there's no nikke that can prevent abnormal status or instantly clear a stun 🤔

[valid fern]

does Cinderella give feed to the enemy if she is jackal linked and taking damage? Or is that only when she is being directly attacked?

[tropic summit]

enemy shooting your own cinderella who's linked to jackal will give you energy

same applies on reverse, e.g attacking an enemy who's linked with enemy jackal

the feed is dependant on the class type (e.g. SGs, MGs, SMGs give more feed than a RL)

[keen vapor]

He's wondering if decoy splash happens trough link

It doesn't

[valid fern]

im wondering how the opponent was so fast.

thought that Cindy giving them feed could be an explanation but I guess not.

[keen vapor]

Maiden is fast

[valid fern]

I'm 2RL with feed and they should be 3RL

maybe they just have really good CS

[keen vapor]

Must be

Team reaches 2.5 with charge speed

[tropic summit]

#pvp-arena message

although they're running a cindy in p1, which is far worse.

Additionaly, although, you're running noah in p2, make sure she has more CS% than noise, else noah gets aggro, which will lead to the enemy shooting in p2, which hits 3 nikke instead of 2

[keen vapor]

That's P4 sir

[tropic summit]

it's already fixed

[keen vapor]

I'll never get CS shenanigans with Noise Noah

[tropic summit]

it's simple, whoever has higher CS% hits first, applies taunt, second hit applies taunt again, which overrides

a slower noise will get taunt priority over a faster noah and viceversa

positioning also counts, but CS% makes the huger impact as long as they're not on the same amount

[keen vapor]

I checked in nikke deck, it can reach 2.5 RL with big charge speed on two units

[tropic summit]

yeah wouldn't discard that, but noah in p2 doesn't help

(if the %CS is screwed)

[keen vapor]

Me

[lusty gull]

@valid fern

[keen vapor]

Why you can only put one unit with charge speed

What's wrong with Noah and maiden

[lusty gull]

it's to show an example

both can be 2.5 without feed

[keen vapor]

I said two

[keen vapor]

I don't get how you can tell that with first team

[lusty gull]

[keen vapor]

Yes, no way you can guess that with first example

[keen vapor]

So tiny the Maxoro

[sudden meadow]

God I wish I had Noah

Alas, I only have Bay

[valid fern]

My Noah has more CS than Noise. And honestly I think I prefer it that way since p1 Noise can collect feed.

[keen vapor]

At least you can wishlist now and avoid getting Isabel to limit break 2

[valid fern]

Can't relate. Game decides to give me duplicate Noahs non-stop and no other pilgrims. Then only long after I've finished campaign, it decides to give me a freaking Red Hood for once. I didn't choose the pvp life, it chose me.

[lusty gull]

i think about adding a compare feature for a while
i mean compare a saved deck with another saved deck or current deck
what do you think about it ?

[keen vapor]

[tropic summit]

i'd rather add a different view that allows to put 3 decks on the left against 3 decks on the right and see the respective burst gen

something like a SP arena team vs team comparison

[lusty gull]

yes that's the idea maybe i explain myself baldy

a compare view and you can pick a saved deck if you want

[sudden meadow]

You're right, now I can avoid getting Isabel to +3

I realized why I had that comp with Cindy at p1

I just got it from her pvp review on gg

[keen vapor]

It will be difficult to put on vertical

[keen vapor]

th

[lusty gull]

absolutely not
vertical should be something like that
party 1
RL
RL
party 1 versus
party 2
...

[tropic summit]

i was thinking something like this (don't mind the teams, just put stuff in randomly)

[lusty gull]

yes for horizontal

[tropic summit]

this can then be expanded for CA, with 5 teams instead

[keen vapor]

[lusty gull]

i think i will improve the saved decks list view first, i want to show a preview with the name as card but after that i will do this

[tropic summit]

sounds good, keep up the good work

[tropic summit]

an additional value would be given if you could add a win rate %, based maybe on the matrix available here and from @quick lake

e.g. a team with scar-jackal against 2-3 SGs might've a high win %, compared to a 4RL against a 2RL buffed cindy nuke, and so on

would be immensely useful to beginners too 🤔

[lusty gull]

but if they lose without understanding why, they will be angry haha

[tropic summit]

let's put a disclaimer that states "percentage are estimates, player skill and investiment may result in dfferent outcomes" blabla

[lusty gull]

for that, on my roadmap, i have a showcase page idea

page with meta team and counter suggestion

[keen vapor]

Let's not enter win rate territory, too much trouble

[tropic summit]

oh this sounds good

suggestions are fine

[lusty gull]

exactly too much trouble

[tropic summit]

i was thinking something based on feedback, e.g. 100 users who ran that and trusted the estimates, got 98 wins and 2 losses, based on that you can then update win rate

but yeah, complex

sometimes cool features can't be designed because they just cost too much

[lusty gull]

hmm, maybe that can be added to the compare page
i mean do a deck and then the app suggests counter

but there are a lot of variables like position and so, again, trouble if the user doesn't understand

[keen vapor]

You want to include logins? so much work

[tropic summit]

yeah i know, but feedback would increase accuracy... then again we've already a matrix, that would do 🤔

[lusty gull]

i will think more about how to handle this because sounds good

[subtle pilot]

Hey all! Just wondering if I could get some attack team advice into the below teams?

[keen vapor]

My guess was right, I'm just like you @swift mango

[tropic summit]

looks like you can go single buff emilia + noah on first team and your scarlet team on their T2

alternatively, could go 4RL on T3 and commit scarlet on T2, freeing RH

which might be safer

2nd option would be this

i haven't used liter with scarlet in a while, although i used that lineup back when i was lower sync and it was enough to wipe, but i'd rather go on second option if you confident on your s.anis (she needs burst lvl 9 and resil)

ensure T2 (scarlet vs their cindy) is within CP range

[bleak shale]

also decided to look at my cp compared to others again this is my current

12% lower than the dude at 486 with my semi cp stacked teams, iirc he has an anis in his mix

deficit life

[umbral belfry]

winnable? looks like I'm at a disadvantage against the last 4RL vs my 3.5 RL though. not sure who gets replaced

[sudden meadow]

Looks winnable to me

[umbral belfry]

i feel like it could be a coin flip mayhaps would switching drake for noir work?

i do make a quency to make it 4 RL vs 4 RL for t3 tho

[tropic summit]

why not Cp gap T1 and indom SBS for T2?

[umbral belfry]

ahh, good idea. lemme try to work w/ teams again

it's a little bit complicated for a 'newbie' still but it's fun

[tropic summit]

you don't have biscuit right?

[umbral belfry]

by cp gap do you just mean an auto team w/o blanc + sbs?

and i do not, or jackal

[tropic summit]

aww oke

your T2 indom is gonna be a bit peculiar, because you've 2 enemy shotguns to deal with

would have to put SBS on p5

[sudden meadow]

Could I ask for SP Arena team advice?

[tropic summit]

sure taking a look

[sudden meadow]

Thanks

[umbral belfry]

alright one sec. would my t2 remain the same but switched to vs their t3?

[tropic summit]

how far does your auto team go btw?

in terms of CP

[umbral belfry]

are you talking about my overall auto team? or my auto team vs this particular opponent (w/ all other units on other teams)

[tropic summit]

hmm just auto with nikke in order by strength

need to tell how far you can go

[umbral belfry]

this is what i have going rn but sbs on p5 makes me a little nervous,wouldn't drake burst first?

[tropic summit]

blanc sbs biscuit pepper centi
naga cind anis noir noise
2b grave rh xmaiden jackal

cubes:

vigor on blanc, biscuit, noise
quantum on centi, anis, jackal
anyone else run available highest lvl cube

wishlist/build: scarlet, noah, rapunzel, rumani

[umbral belfry]

oh i forgot anis somewhere if that's an option for burst gen too

[sudden meadow]

Thanks, is that rapunzel wishlist just for the CP boost having more cores of her will give? Otherwise, I have both of her.

[tropic summit]

once you find scarlet/noah we can use her for noah team or improving T1

atm i couldn't fit her due to burst gen requirements, scarlet would replace 2B and noah opens a variation for T1

[tropic summit]

yeah she does

although honestly, looks like you can run that CP team on T3

25% cp deficit and actually same burst gen

[sudden meadow]

Interesting. Thanks for the teams and advice.

Really appreciate it

[umbral belfry]

but then that begs the question for my other teams since that's mostly all of my 'big' b3

[tropic summit]

nope, the bay team is on lower end still

they lack DPS badly, only pure sustain

[umbral belfry]

mine or theirs?

[tropic summit]

theirs

taking a look at your box we should've the cards

[umbral belfry]

i'll try to figure out something too, i like to learn

[tropic summit]

your teams are on the left, theirs on the right, put them against like this and send a screenshot, if CP is fine you should be able to win

[umbral belfry]

ahh, mkay 1 sec!

[tropic summit]

im thinking of replacing rrh with your moran if she doesn't meet CP advantage, then it will be a duel between your moran and theirs, with your alice pew pewing

[umbral belfry]

their t1 is 74k. had to take alice out to see cp for t3

[tropic summit]

if you put liter instead of alice now, you still above 120k CP right?

[umbral belfry]

for t1 or t3?

[tropic summit]

t3

[umbral belfry]

118k

[tropic summit]

20% CP diff, still deficit in advantage

do you've a quantum cube unlocked already?

[umbral belfry]

nope. i'm still on ch21, ex-03 in lost sector if i remember right

[tropic summit]

awww

[umbral belfry]

and im prolly gonna be on ch21 for a while

could this work for t1?

[tropic summit]

how about with drake?

[umbral belfry]

it's 86k cp tho

oh lemme retry

116k w/ drake

[tropic summit]

oh still deficit, ok

should be good, launch it and record it if you can, i wanna see the T1

on safe measure, let's put alice on p4

[umbral belfry]

okay lemme just figure out how to record lmao

[tropic summit]

also, run a shooting range round, literally enter and leave then run the match

it ensure alice shoots p5 before taunt

oh

just realized 🤔

naga rumani alice centi rrh

due to rrh inheriting B3 else

hence:

T1:

naga rumani centi alice rrh

T2:

blanc sbs drake xmaiden noise

if you can't record its fine, just run it

[umbral belfry]

okay

[tropic summit]

you're in deficit advantage, alice will hurt like a truck

might even kill 2 of them before 3RL burst

[umbral belfry]

oh LOL

[tropic summit]

eh check history, match probably went through

[umbral belfry]

i mean it worked but i wanted to see LMAO

[tropic summit]

yeah me 2

[umbral belfry]

i guess i'll save this for future reference. ty for your help! next reset i'll try to get a video for you

but now i'm questioning changing my def team. i'm able to lose but regain my spots back, but i guess it doesn't matter if i can win right?

[tropic summit]

well here's the gist of probably what happened:

T1:

CP deficit advantage, alice kills anis and wound badly p4 pre B3, you B3, alice wipes

T2:

CP deficit advantage, you might kill p2, p1 gets invulnerable by biscuit, leads to indom someone (could be indom SBS), you also indom SBS, your SBS wipes

[keen vapor]

Rail, I'm going to use your cooking for my defense

[upper grove]

my current DEF lineup is:
Noise Centi (quantum) SBS Alice Rumani
Scarlet Blanc Liter (RH replacing soon, have to lvl her skills 1st) Maiden (quantum) Jackal (quantum)
Noah Biscuit Rapuzel Cindy Laplace+
Who should I OL next? which teams could I change up if needed?
Currently I have OLs on:
basically 1st row and 2nd row up to Maiden, so everyone from Privaty onwards has no OL

[tropic summit]

which one?

[tropic summit]

we cooked your def teams b4 right? i don't remember when

[tropic summit]

ooooh, yeah these should be at least reliable on general purpose

[keen vapor]

Jmmmm, I may try Maiden before Noir

[tropic summit]

less feed on possible scarlet teams, sounds good

[umbral belfry]

yup yup i have new units but nothing really "meta" like noah/jackal/biscuit. and when i asked if i could change i got told to keep it as it is.

[tropic summit]

then you good for now i guess

[umbral belfry]

but if i'm losing some defenses, but winning them in attack, does it really matter to change?

[umbral belfry]

yippieee thanks!

[tropic summit]

hmm i'd move SBS to T3 and cindy to T1 perhaps, SBS takes time to land her kit, noah could provide that time

[keen vapor]

Maiden also has higher CP currently

[tropic summit]

well, the other option is to change approach, we could do the same as now, make 1 CP padded team and 2 meta teams instead

might throw off some of your opponents

the sad thing is that you lack core pvp units, like noah and biscuit

being also scarlet-less leaves you unpunishing SG lineups

[umbral belfry]

one day they'll come home

[upper grove]

Should I OL burst batteries, Rapu or taunters first?

[tropic summit]

in order, your main DPS source, then p1's or tanks lastly batteries

p1's or tanks also benefit from high lvl SR dolls due to dmg reduction (e.g. noah)

getting CS% lines on your batteries at some point will also benefit you, aim for 17% CS

start maybe with jackal and centi

[upper grove]

All dps have at least base OL and Alice SBS Cindy are maxed out

[upper grove]

will do!

[tropic summit]

sounds good

CS% is extra value, but not your priority, minimun skill requirement and all of your teams on 4 OLs lvl 0 is good start

[upper grove]

I have to get RH up to 10/10/10 first before I can upgrade scarlet, should be fine though I think?

scarlet is 5/5/5

[tropic summit]

yeah PvE/campaign takes priority on PvP and RH is core campaign member

for scarlet aim for burst on lvl 7 or 8 at least

ensures you wipe when you nuke

[subtle pilot]

Hey thank you so much for the reply. Just want to confirm what I'm looking at - my teams are on the left against his teams on the right in order? Also no Rumani?

[tropic summit]

yep correct, it also shows your burst gen tier which indicates if you're faster, slower or on same tier

for example you want to be faster with scarlet, while you want to be slower with a noah against an emilia (which is a delayed nuke), to catch and absorb it with her shield

also always keep in mind your CP values, you must not be less than 85% CP of your enemy team (hence deficit not higher than 15%)

else this happens:

#pvp-arena message

[subtle pilot]

Thank you so much that worked! Also any recommendations for a def team now that I recently got rumani?

[tropic summit]

post your current 3 teams

[subtle pilot]

Been messing around with it a lot in reaction to the guy above constantly attacking me but it was originally:
jackal/scarlet/s.sakura/poli/laplace+
noah/noise/s.anis/biscuit/rapunzel
sbs/blanc/rh/emilia/centi

[tropic summit]

you don't have grave right?

oh found your box, you have her but she's out of synch and unbuilt nvm

#pvp-arena message

hmmm SBS indom over a cindy nuke tho 🤔

you could consider reworking T1 and T3

[keen vapor]

They're planning to snipe me on maint time I can feel it

[vapid lake]

the guy who sniped me down from c2 to c3 now has to deal with this annoying guy

i can actually just ignore pvp for most of the day in peace now

[keen vapor]

Rail your cooking better works against them

[tropic summit]

yeah i guess you could shift around your teams like this:

T2: you'd add some splash to T3, while retaining stall
T1: gives more nuke dmg to scarlet, also you enable p1 counters and retain link, while enabling indom scarlet
T3: promoted to a 3RL buffed nuke from a 3RL indom SBS

[vapid lake]

[fallow nebula]

Is mana guaranteed for arena meta

[vapid lake]

I gatekept him long enough he can have his 3k gems now if the guy who sniped me can't beat him back

[tropic summit]

that looks just like my duel with my ch1 for last season

[fallow nebula]

She instant revives allies

[vapid lake]

And if the ex-#3 decides to keep attacking me i will now start fighting him just to spite him

[tropic summit]

so far we've mixed opinions

pro:

1. she enables sacc plays
2. can enable unprotected p1 to revive them (e.g. noah without biscuit)
3. can revive important nikke (e.g. an emilia in p3) if bursted through biscuit/noah comps

cons:

-bad burst gen
-feeds (rifle)
-once revive is used, she loses her buffs
-countered by rosanna

[fallow nebula]

I thought ar only feeds emma

[vapid lake]

Ar feeds jackal

[tropic summit]

any weapon different from SR/RL feeds jackal/scarlet

[fallow nebula]

Okay so what about on attack

[quasi prism]

jackal said she's a little bullet hungry

[tropic summit]

still this

#pvp-arena message

sacc, p1 revive or simply outheal

although her healing is weaker than noise

my opinion as of right now is that she'd be useful in CA, but in SP arena has more of a niche usage, mostly on attack

[vapid lake]

well mana wasnt really designed to be pvp

she's intended to replace alice as sbs's slave

if u guys cant make mana work in pvp dont be sad

[tropic summit]

intended or happened by accident as always

[tropic summit]

personally hope so, i want to retain gems atm

[vapid lake]

just wishlist cope

[valid fern]

what I need is more b1 buffers. sad xanne didn't rerun.

[tropic summit]

wishlist cope hasn't given me rouge ever since she was added

[quasi prism]

just get her in 1 single

:v)

[vapid lake]

xanne won't help you with that she's b2

[tropic summit]

xanne rerun would've been appreciated regardless

[valid fern]

Oops. Well I guess b2 is acceptable too

[vapid lake]

no i don't want her to rerun because that means everyone in my bracket will now have acccess to her and i will have to pull her to keep up

she can stay in the void and never come back

[quasi prism]

[valid fern]

anyways, does anyone have any experience with 4/4/4 Scarlet? I'm itching to deploy her but I don't wanna embarass myself if she fails to nuke lol

[tropic summit]

what synch lvl are you at

[valid fern]

307

[vapid lake]

should be fine at lower sync levels if you double buff her

[tropic summit]

then don't

[keen vapor]

Did some testing, Rumani with SR doll barely living for burst

[raven plover]

damn SR doll

[keen vapor]

Hoarding selectors is paying off

[vapid lake]

sr5?

[keen vapor]

Yes, I'm broke on blue mats again

I can't doll Miranda now

[vapid lake]

dw the treasures will probably all be mediocre

[valid fern]

nah. Drake meta coming soon™

[quasi prism]

same

dessert rush being added to the arcade

[keen vapor]

Where's Dinner dash

[quasi prism]

tbh I want Dragon dungeon run back already

Really enjoyed it

[keen vapor]

Two hours for snipe

Is sniping or be sniped

[umbral crown]

You fail snipe and you have to go straight to 361

[rich quail]

put Private Echo on blast I luv it

[keen vapor]

No I'm C3 already

And the stupid bug that blocks attacks

[quasi prism]

Just had it happen to me

also

https://i.gyazo.com/f1a2f2d0977a5b9e20513ae217e5ba43.png

soon

[fiery parcel]

Help me cook my team for arena?

[keen vapor]

You have a lack of overload gear problem....

Why your CP is so low

[keen vapor]

Where's your box

[fiery parcel]

Been feeding it to campaign meta units

[keen vapor]

[fiery parcel]

Maxed out Ein, Rapipi, Naga, Crown, Cindy, RHood, Mod, Liter, Alice, SBS, Sanis

Wait let me send my roster

[keen vapor]

What about base overload for the rest

Blanc and Jackal don't need specific lines to start

And with Scarlet RH and Laplace you should be greatly padded

Is Scarlet even higher attack than Laplace? Laplace has her treasure even?

[keen vapor]

Where's your rocks

[umbral crown]

[fiery parcel]

Laplace has no treasure. Scarlet has 2 OL eq and 4/1/5. Slowly building her next. Blanc has 1 OL. Jackal has 4 x T9M

[fiery parcel]

Not enough fodder to OL my eq

Got over 40 rocks

[keen vapor]

[fiery parcel]

The good news is that every 2 to 3 days I can OL one equipment

[keen vapor]

Look at this, you can't fight 2 teams at all!

[fiery parcel]

Oh

[keen vapor]

I can't cook in this conditions

It will be easy win already if it wasn't for your low CP

[fiery parcel]

Ok ok. I'll come back in a few days after I OL some Nikkes

[keen vapor]

https://youtu.be/wRXwNjet_yA?si=VrjcVC0LxU6FERwP

[quick lake]

Hmm idk how helpful a win rate would be if newbies cant cook

[keen vapor]

Imagine calculating win rate of original cooks

[keen vapor]

Nothing changed I'm getting sniped

I'm getting sniped last minute!

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1026322546934698004.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=whyyysnapped

[vapid lake]

Maint is in 33 min there's still time to snipe them back

[quick lake]

[kindred tinsel]

[unkempt kestrel]

im so tempted to gem because this one dude keeps attakcing me

should i do it

[quick lake]

Gemming is never worth it

https://tenor.com/view/doja-cat-star-wars-gif-25078126

[unkempt kestrel]

ight

i was 11th place last half and i was so annoyed

almost got top 10 for the first time

[vapid lake]

i just realized #1 in my bracket put cindy p1, that a grave mistake

[umbral crown]

Yes i would already

[vapid lake]

Here i thought he's a pvp maniac who knows the mechanics inside out but guess not

[kindred tinsel]

cant snipe

[quick lake]

oof

[umbral crown]

Its a sigm

[keen vapor]

Hmmm, nothing yet

Huh, safe

[vapid lake]

I shuffled for the past 3 min i should be safe

Though i doubt anyone would attack me

[umbral crown]

[vapid lake]

There were 2 people on my block list that were camping

[umbral crown]

Imagine blocking to track

[keen vapor]

I tried

[keen vapor]

Hehehehehe...

[umbral crown]

Did you?

[vapid lake]

I learnt from the best rats

[umbral crown]

[valid fern]

actual results and outcome happen before the match finishes, right?

[fast harness]

Once loading is finished outcome has been determined

[valid fern]

i sure hope they do lol

[vapid lake]

[upper garden]

27% atk Rosanna lvl 7 burst enough to insta kill?

What's Rosanna team consist of usually?

[umbral belfry]

excited to see what you guys cook if mana does end up being pvp viable

[keen vapor]

Scarlet Blanc Rosanna centi Jackal

It pretty much requires maxed Rosanna (burst 10) and 4 attack lines

[coarse patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/flavor-town-blasted-shoot-good-gif-23238315

[upper garden]

Damn that expensive?

Xanne not better than Blanc?

[keen vapor]

Interchangable

[unkempt kestrel]

who does this team usually beat?

[graceful grotto]

pretty much most team unless you play the stall game i supposed

[quick lake]

Rosanna is still pretty niche/expensive. At 40% Atk OLs, can OHKO uninvested DPS. Can wipe out ~75% of HP of more tanky DPS

At higher syncs, HP scales abit faster than attack, so she is no longer to OHKO, even less so with Dolls

[keen vapor]

Where are the Rosanna Mari comps at 2RL speed

[quick lake]

Maybe I can do Mari sac

[covert lintel]

https://streamable.com/iq1llw

[glad meteor]

Scarlet is sub dps there so ros can ko

I never got the chance to invest in ros so she one hit ko attackers

Except emi, but that’s cheating

[quick lake]

Not the clearest example, but u can see opponent’s RH still has ~15% HP left. Sync 480, SR5 43% Atk Rosanna

Specifically, Rosanna cant kill SR15 equipped attackers

SR5 and 10 still doable

[upper garden]

Damn I overload Rosanna for nothing then
My arena people level is at 430-460
I'm at 433

[rich quail]

Yeah, for me I have over 40% atk with 4 lines, and I’m level 362 now… I still have problems with OHKO on some people without atk buff of any sort. Sacrificing a unit is also hard because of cp difference.

In a real match, I usually run with burst gen more than atk buff units, then have a unit that can finish off the dps units (i.e. Scarlet).

But Rosanna (to me at least) is still invaluable on offense to help take out teams with two dps units… as long as you don’t have a Rapunzel, XAnne* or maybe even a Cindy in the way.

Just my 2 centavos

• reviving Scarlet I kinda like my chances because Scar loses her stacks when revived by XAnne. Forgot if it’s the same with Rapu revive or not

I do have SR15 doll and all OL+4 gears… not the best but not too shabby

7/10/10 as well

[quick lake]

I think an interesting team, is Rosanna + Mari. If both units have 40%+ Atk OLs, u can kill off opponent’s DPS at Mari’s burst

So u could technically run:
Rosanna Mari Quiry

[glad meteor]

2 centavos = 🐳

[rich quail]

I AM NOT A WHALE

[covert lintel]

my rosanna still have SR5 doll due to RNG goddess being stingy

[upper garden]

Ooof I guess I will try to improve the Rosanna then

Sink cost fallacy

[kindred tinsel]

[rich quail]

Yeah, just because she can’t OHKO doesn’t mean she’s useless.

But you do have to be selective on when to use her,

But 40%+ atk from 4 lines helps a lot

[covert lintel]

40%atk and 21% crit rate line is my dream

[upper garden]

She only need atk right? And crit maybe

[rich quail]

I think I only have 1 crit line

[quick lake]

Yeah. atk and crit chance if u wanna minmax

[rich quail]

I’m working on that part

[upper garden]

Only need to get 1 more atk line and reroll my 7% atk

[raven plover]

me no crit

I have crit dmg but not the crit chance

[rich quail]

crit rate > crit damage

From what everyone has said

So basically try to get 4 atk lines, and as many ele dmg and crit rate lines as you can

[upper garden]

Ele for cp padding coz no water in PvP

[raven plover]

thats my rumani, I got 3 atk 3 ele no cs as my 1st roll OL

[swift mango]

Emi chan exists

You may not see her as main B3 in defense often but she is a big threat to defense comps.

[swift mango]

Now that I look at this again.... Mana finally powercreep Alice for rock farming.

Since if you are replacing Alice with Mana in SBS team she would basically function as a CS buffer to SBS just like Alice... Basically reducing SBS charge time from 0.3s to 0.12s....

She won't give that big a buff when you bring her along with Alice though, since Alice, Charge time is higher than SBS, at 1.5s so only Alice getting charge time reduced to 1.32s not much at all.

[coarse lake]

yes

she prob lets you do kraken without mald, but probably less dmg than with alice

[pastel owl]

but she wind code w/ed

[graceful grotto]

yeap, and since she can heal, u can take out naga too (unless you want the core dmg buffs) since mana can proc crown's buff. So third unit can be a off turn dps (like ssak / maxwell / priv / red hood etc.)

[quick lake]

Oh yeah... forgot that she procs crown's s2 as well. Just that u lose Naga's core dmg

[cedar orbit]

Just run Cinderella for Kraken, like me

[quick lake]

Crown Rapi/Liter SBS SSak Mana...? Easy mobile Kraken team

[cedar orbit]

I feel like Rapi is much better for Kraken than Liter

[quick lake]

If ur mobile running at 60FPS

Mine is not, so probably Liter still better

[cedar orbit]

Time to invest in new phones

[graceful grotto]

she technically is

imo at least

but not by a huge margin

[graceful grotto]

that's gonna be a dream team, but prolly switch mana and ssak

depends how hard mana hit

cause mana's burst gen shenanigan requires her to burst

and her being off turn offers charge speed to the team + heal and nothing else

[quick lake]

Then probably swap out SSak for Noir maybe

[pastel owl]

no all other charge weapon can't exist or else mana wont buff sbs

[graceful grotto]

oh yeah that slip my mind

[late schooner]

What is this new report feature in arena LMAO

[unique wagon]

19.61% per RL Helm

[valid fern]

wait isnt that actually kinda insane

[unique wagon]

Yeah better than clip rl

[eager mountain]

i didnt see helm becoming a pvp unit

[valid fern]

damn son. laplace stocks down

good thing i got her so late i never even got a chance to start on her item

[quick lake]

Helm is crazy. Like really crazy

[unique wagon]

• 8200% nuke.......

Crazy ahh bitc

[unique wagon]

Wrong. Laplace is crazy good in pvp

[valid fern]

isn't she mostly just used as battery tho

[graceful grotto]

What did helm get

[eager mountain]

i was about to treasure laplace, but then xMaiden comes out, no longer need that alt battery dps

[eager mountain]

extra 14.31% burst gen per full charged shot, also s2 deals addiational damage

[unique wagon]

Fire away it says

[graceful grotto]

So she became clip RL lvl?

Damn

[eager mountain]

over clip RL

[graceful grotto]

Ok time to treasure her

Emilia lvl then?

[quick lake]

Way better than clip

[eager mountain]

u can have one more 2rl team in sp arena now, crazy

[graceful grotto]

I have her MLB already anyway

It's great she's strong

[eager mountain]

my C7 helm gonna slay

[graceful grotto]

Now it's just a matter of the box....

[quick lake]

Using 19.61% per RL okay my math was wrong brb

[valid fern]

is her burst gen reliant on skill levels or just need treasure?

[eager mountain]

id assume it scales with skill lv

and its not her good old teamwide dmg buff skill that most will likely have more investment on

[valid fern]

was gonna change my wishlist but it looks like Helm was already there. Helm supremacy.

[eager mountain]

makes sense given how most old ely nik sux

tDrake also kicking mPriv off sr SG team, likely

[graceful grotto]

Luckily haven't build tdrake yet I supposed lol

[eager mountain]

it seems to be a good news for SG team but tMiranda also challenging SG team's spot

tho... just gonna focus on helm first for pvp and see whether tDrake or tMiranda is better

[glacial lion]

1 target or inc splash from rl?

[eager mountain]

splash

[covert lintel]

helm is pretty good battery but being water atker is a big disadvantage

[eager mountain]

a batterys jobs done once you burst

[coral orbit]

need help please in improving the SP teams
i got a bunch of new units after Rapi pulls

[covert lintel]

idk what is this button for
is there a cheater in a pvp like that?

[valid fern]

reported for sniping before maintenance

[loud sonnet]

Yeah plus how do we even know if the person that attk us uses bug or cheat anyway

[tender valve]

https://tenor.com/view/akane-kurokawa-kurokawa-akane-oshi-no-ko-oshi-no-ko-season-2-oshi-no-ko-meme-gif-15386582776387491687

[eager mountain]

does this account s2

[unique wagon]

Yes

[unique wagon]

2 splash

[eager mountain]

lets nope i can get a few cs lines on her

[vapid lake]

dude is this helm burst gen correct

isn't this insanely broken

[eager mountain]

brokenly insane

[vapid lake]

and it doesn't get countered by sac p2 strategies

[tender valve]

champion arena signal. 🔥

[loud sonnet]

Gonna wait for test to see who gets treasured first

[unique wagon]

Noah Biscu Helm RH LaplaceTr comp.gonna cook

[covert lintel]

maybe if someone place bugged char in their defense team to make invulnerable defense.
but in that case when someone didn't even setup their defense and the bug occur itself on 1 of his char, he will get ban for no reason

[valid fern]

so helm s2 needs to be leveled for that burst gen potential?

[eager mountain]

need treasure prob not level

[valid fern]

oh nice

[eager mountain]

tho, if you ever invested her before, her s2 was her priority

[valid fern]

all i see that report feature being used for is by whales who can't comprehend their CP pad teams are being beaten by lower teams.

ive already angered some by punching above my weight lol

[unique wagon]

S1

[vapid lake]

can report ppl in pvp now

[gaunt cypress]

[valid fern]

"illegal software" :

[quick lake]

T.Helm s1 lv 10. Bar filled in THREE shots

[valid fern]

god I wish around when that Helm dress was available.

[vapid lake]

how you people already have finished treasure? convert other materials?

[quick lake]

Why is the burst gen so much. According to Kisenix calc, its supposed to be 60% at 3 shots?

[eager mountain]

u can save up boxes

[quick lake]

Yeah. Saved boxes + convert

[cedar orbit]

Helm busted

[eager mountain]

we not gonna need her treasure burst for meme stall team right

[gaunt cypress]

yeah same like Lap+

[shell hazel]

damn that outfit

[tender valve]

https://tenor.com/view/sora-cooking-food-wars-shokugeki-no-soma-fire-gif-17443420

[shell hazel]

need LB2 for eventual fav item right?

[quick lake]

yeah LB2

[shell hazel]

OK one more copy is doable, will be miles off the treasure though but I guess something to work to 🙂

I need dolls for main units upgraded first, and I don't have any at SR-15 even yet, at least for primary DPS

[vapid lake]

i spent all my doll kit on rapipi

[eager mountain]

u used all before new treasure season?

[cedar orbit]

Have fun with the +7% max ammo

[vapid lake]

yea rapipi carrying me campaign kicked liter out of my tema

[quick lake]

To be fair, my Rapi is R0 and 1 OL

[vapid lake]

need helm for raid too so guess im making her treasure next

[covert lintel]

if it's raid, miranda and milk are better

[gaunt cypress]

i got 10B+ score on yesterday SR with only SR5 rapipi , no need to get more to sr15

[vapid lake]

i dont believe in miranda but im making milk's after helm

[quick lake]

I think Miranda is better

[covert lintel]

85%crit rate bruh

[valid fern]

i need more maint kits

[vapid lake]

doesn't apply to me i don't play SW

[gaunt cypress]

drake too, she make SG team even more better

[eager mountain]

milk sux tho

has champion pvp stall potential and thats it

miranda buffs are really good on cindy but doubt we using her for cindy when rouge exists

[strange linden]

Is this gonna shake things up in PVP
Holy damn

[shell hazel]

I'm investing in pvp units some and main campaign team, as always resources are tight but working on stuff, if helm is good for pvp I'd definitely be interested in boosting her fav item in the end

she's also got to be decent for elysion tower right?

[eager mountain]

ya

esp if u dont have xmaiden

[shell hazel]

I do have her 🙂

[eager mountain]

tHelm still gonna be in best general ely tower team

[shell hazel]

my elysion, I've not really invested in the privatys

so I could run rapi / DKW / xmaiden / one of the privaty / Helm with treasure?

need good b2 though

[eager mountain]

ely dont have good b2

rapi can be b1 for mobs and b3 for boss stage

[shell hazel]

I want marciana

for b2

[eager mountain]

marci isnt good, disnel/mast is good enough until they finally give ely a b2

[shell hazel]

fair, OK will keep in mind, it's a while away before I could get Helm with the treasure anyway, need more materials 😄

i'll let the dust settle and see how the new treasures look, as I'd also want Drake

[lunar dirge]

Beyond

[shell hazel]

and can't get them all

[valid fern]

the $100 maintenance kit pack is tempting me lmao

[lunar dirge]

She is basically guaranteed, you can't cheese her with empty p2 slot

[shell hazel]

oh man, I'm trying to avoid whaling on resources - I buy the odd pack for pulls mainly

[eager mountain]

if u already have a built sg team then drake is def solid for sg, but helm is broken in pvp

[shell hazel]

I don't

SG team not invested at all and think I'm still missing some of the units for it

[lunar dirge]

tbh, as long as she isn't p1 or p2, she good, and team will due regardless on reaching fb

[shell hazel]

am pretty new so missing a lot of stuff in general (started Nov)

[eager mountain]

then u wont get much from her, tho i like drake as a chara lol

[glacial lion]

mana + ros + lvl1 nikke = 2rl nuke

[shell hazel]

yeah she's a lot of fun! I used her in the last SR as a niche fire unit

so helm is probably my best bet for usefulness (pvp + ely tower)

[eager mountain]

ya

im top 0.5% and still used drake last raid cuz i dont have A2 built

[lunar dirge]

Miranda is sw team exclusive, milk is a failure, go drake

[shell hazel]

i'm upping skills / dolls on main campaign team for pve / OL PVP units for cp padding / then finally helm treasure

I think I want RH at SR-15 and can maybe pause Rapi/Cindy at SR-5 or SR-10 for a bit

[eager mountain]

cindy is mostly for sr, compred to other broken units, tho shes also for pvp...

[lunar dirge]

well, I must sr15 rapipi before helm and drake

Cuz no mats

[shell hazel]

will the dispatches let us focus on helm treasure mats?

I think I need a certain number to work?

[lunar dirge]

Yes

[eager mountain]

ya thats why i waited after maintenance to dispatch

[shell hazel]

I missed that, it's fine I think I can get those on dispatches before I'd have SR-15 anyway

so I'll switch that over to focus on it, how many do I need?

[lunar dirge]

160 to max out the treasure

[cedar orbit]

Idk what you mean, Cindy is by far my highest CP char, I use her for campaign

[eager mountain]

personally id focus on both main campaign and ai kraken team that you will need to farm a lot after having so t9m

everyone can use her, just that shes not the best for mobs

[shell hazel]

I've been very unlucky with OL gear for Cindy

I've gotten like 10 elysion defender helms and 0 pilgrim defender helms

[quick lake]

T.Helm test in SPA, S1 lv 10. Looks about right. @swift mango

[covert lintel]

that was 1round not 1shot right?

[lunar dirge]

Ye, basically, sw changes her weapon type for 1round

[shell hazel]

my RH is 56k CP and my Cindy is 44K CP as a result, I can't really use her anymore because I lose too much power

[lunar dirge]

So works for her

[tropic summit]

The birth of a new battery

[quick lake]

Truly

[vapid lake]

She also hits very hard huge multiplier on normal atk

[shell hazel]

now that Mana is out, skip or must get? I have 140 pulls and a dream

happy to wait for more analysis 🙂

[tropic summit]

p5 killing potential on atk 🤔

[quick lake]

s2 pretty massive full team buff as well

[vapid lake]

Need next solo raid right now for more doll kit

[quick lake]

Meanwhile we had Viper treasure

[tropic summit]

Her tierlist in pvp about to go stonks

[eager mountain]

appearently mostly for pvp, wait yeah.

[quick lake]

SSS in pvp easily

[shell hazel]

yeah will give it a day or two, see what the general sentiment is

[quick lake]

Probably S-SS in pve as well

[shell hazel]

oh I did give Helm a doll must have known it would be useful.. just it's R-0 and I have no materials

I can get the last copy I need with silver mileage if I don't pull it from wishlist before I need it, time to gather doll materials and fav item stuff from dispatches

[lunar dirge]

8k% single target nuke, new jackal link bane

[strange linden]

Man I have no exp left for dolls
Crown will never be SR15 at this rate 😭

[shell hazel]

just swipe this 💳

[strange linden]

Fam that won't even get me to SR15 lmao

[glad meteor]

🐳

[quick lake]

Helm treasure is really pvp/SR stuff

[strange linden]

Wait so she does big damage to one target as well?

[glad meteor]

Isn’t her nuke good if water weak raid, get 80% ele

[shell hazel]

I like to secure a reasonable spot in pvp but can't compete with super whales, so I'll probably see if I can get it without spending $

[lunar dirge]

Yes

[shell hazel]

if I can then awesome, if not then that's OK, I think I can maintain somewhere in top 10

[tender valve]

we hope next update

[strange linden]

Maan, I hope no one in my bracket realize her potential

[shell hazel]

we should have an advantage here being better informed

[lunar dirge]

imagine helm hitting triple kill on scarjack in 2rl

[cedar orbit]

Man, I can only exchange away favourite item mats that I have already maxed out?

[quick lake]

Easily probably

[quick lake]

Yeah

[strange linden]

Oh yeaah, man she is the better Rosanna lmaoo

[cedar orbit]

[quick lake]

Phase 1 unlocks the burst gen

[lunar dirge]

No nuke shenanigans

[quick lake]

I wonder if helm’s nuke can OHKO campaign stage bosses

[tropic summit]

It will spread, just a matter of sooner or later

[raven plover]

1 RL team where

[loud sonnet]

So get helm?

[cedar orbit]

Doesn't xmaiden already 1-tap P1?

[late schooner]

Anyone already started hitting scar+jack teams with helm in arena yet

[lunar dirge]

Lvl1 sac+Mana+rosa

(Or 2rl)

[raven plover]

mana confirmed trigger ros s2?

[lunar dirge]

Idk, me coping

[quick lake]

Probably not. Doubt anyone has Phase 3 yet

[quick lake]

Yep, i think there was a showcase on top.

[raven plover]

[cedar orbit]

Just phase 2 it with Helm+Xmaiden+Treasure Laplace

Maybe it will just win

[quick lake]

Yeahhh

Helm is just a solid battery + passive buffer

[tropic summit]

Best battery in the game, added value on possibly jackal linked nikke bane and brings buff + self heal...

[loud sonnet]

F i don't have blue Sniper doll

[cedar orbit]

You forgot that she is hot

[quick lake]

Pretty big buff, plus massive life steal

[tropic summit]

The real question is if SU did this on purpose or just accidents as usual

[valid fern]

i could probably reach phase 3. gonna need to buy that $100 pack for maint kits tho lmao

[quick lake]

Idk, feels like an alternative for those who miss Emilia

[tropic summit]

So... Us

[quick lake]

2RL Cindy is way easier now

[lunar dirge]

Wait, her burst can work as a mini blanc for scar

Imagine out healing blanc stall comp with helm lifesteal

[lunar dirge]

Just like folk fang was

[raven flume]

watdefak

[quick lake]

Helm’s life steal is really massive. Easily back to full health

[quick lake]

Ikr

[tropic summit]

That lifesteal on s.anis stall would already probably matter, let alone on splash auto atks nikke like emi and la+

[lunar dirge]

Both are b3, so no

In s.anis case

[tropic summit]

Was thinking S.anis off burst with priv

Helm bursts

Since helm doubles down as battery a noah + flex could suffice for 3RL

Just variation on usual stalls 🤔

[lunar dirge]

Noah like 2 rl

[tropic summit]

Noise + helm + rapu + pepper + marciana

[lunar dirge]

At that point

[tropic summit]

Oh probably even 2RL

[wicked horizon]

PvP eating good this patch?

[lunar dirge]

Helm+ Noah is already 62% of burst and there are 3 units left

[quick lake]

Fantastic tbh

[lunar dirge]

Depends, we just got something beyond clip rl

[strange linden]

maybe MG/SMG might be relevant with them as a burst gen

[tropic summit]

Jesus le Christ

[lunar dirge]

True

2rl rapipi bois

[strange linden]

My Moran finally useful

[quick lake]

I’ll update the burst gen excel once im back

Team building is wayy easier

[tropic summit]

Indom 2RL rapipi

[raven flume]

that's what we like, less malding over team

[lunar dirge]

Noah biscuit cindy helm rumani

2rl?

[quick lake]

Yeah, Im running that now

2RL

[lunar dirge]

Dear christ

[lunar dirge]

Also, blanc emi rh Mana centi?

[strange linden]

screw it, I'm gonna be dolless for the greater good

fuuu

[wicked horizon]

How good is Mana's burst gen expected to be then?

[tropic summit]

Maybe still countered by Rosanna

[quick lake]

Still on the low side. Not that meaningful tbh

[tropic summit]

With helm u can push Rosa to 2RL easily

[lunar dirge]

If they do Rosanna, emi will ressurect instead of blanc

[wicked horizon]

Yeah, was afraid. 1.6x of low is still low

[strange linden]

I wish those SR combine weren't as useless

[lunar dirge]

Scar centi helm rosa jackal=2rl ez

[quick lake]

She’s mostly for her auto revive

[tropic summit]

Wouldn't Rosa debuff mana?

[wicked horizon]

Mhm

[tropic summit]

If she loses iron, she can't ress

[quick lake]

Yeah she does

[lunar dirge]

Oh, wait

[tropic summit]

Yep that's why hard counter

[strange linden]

should I keep those gold case for SR doll or use it now to get phase 5 SR?

[loud sonnet]

Keep

[quick lake]

Only use gold for SR

[raven flume]

yuh, using on R doll will make u feel pain later

[strange linden]

keep it then so they won't trigger success in SR cause 10%

[raven flume]

10 better than 3

[strange linden]

helm seems quite decent for PvE tbh, guess she can be used for SR or elysion tower?

[shell hazel]

am considering the stupid $100 pack because I can, not because I have a spending issue

[lunar dirge]

This

Her burst should give her around 600-700% charge damage

When maxed

[strange linden]

21% attack damage up really not bad for a b3 healer