pvp-arena

[coarse lake]

I've seen how they do these kits

[glad meteor]

Me thinkies

[coarse lake]

most likely trash, the revive gonna happen too late to matter in pvp

[grizzled bone]

[glad meteor]

Don’t see much of a need for revive in pve

[quick lake]

Probably worse than xanne, cause lousier burst gen

[coarse lake]

yeah that's the one thing I'm still clinging on to for copium

[quick lake]

Unless buff is good

[coarse lake]

but it's very very easy for them to make a kit that effectively barely functions for pvp despite sounding great in description

they already did it with crown

[quick lake]

Kit today/24h, so we’ll know soon enough :frogsip:

[glad meteor]

Xanne still mediocre though, if revive she doesn’t buff

[grizzled bone]

i'd rather not speculate too much

if she's pvp worthy, she gets minimum pull resources for 1 copy

if she doesnt come home in like 40ish pulls then at least you know she's not limited and you can use ordinary recruit tickets that everyone's been saving, right?

[keen vapor]

Maybe they fix it on optimization

[glad meteor]

I thought main today

[swift mango]

I would skip unless tier SSS because likely no gear....

[keen vapor]

I have 123 :frog sip:

[keen vapor]

I mean

I've skipped basically every PVP banner

I'll just do the usual just to get the unit 1 year later

[graceful grotto]

lies

u didn't skip rumani

[grizzled bone]

i dont even have rumani

[keen vapor]

[graceful grotto]

🫃

she only became my anis replacement

[keen vapor]

But I skipped Moran and Bay

[graceful grotto]

i meannnnnn bay

[quick lake]

U just hoarding mate

[keen vapor]

I skipped

[copper creek]

why hoard, just drink

[graceful grotto]

i skip bay only for her to drop 4 copies on me

[keen vapor]

But you're right with Rumani

[graceful grotto]

and i didn't even wishlist her

[grizzled bone]

i love how everyone know Echo is hoarding

[copper creek]

drink

[keen vapor]

Those collabs and MLB Chime need to be get on

[graceful grotto]

the only thing echo is not hoarding is mica's OL

[keen vapor]

I got Novel core 2 out of nowhere she didn't got a treasure

[graceful grotto]

are you gonna treasure drake?

[keen vapor]

1 star

I could try wishlist this week but...

I'm not a SG team fan, look at what happened to Leona and Bunny Alice already

Helm copium sounds actually plausible

And Miranda

[graceful grotto]

if drake is good in raids i'll do it lol

pvp + raids unit? hell yes

[keen vapor]

And those two I actually have them MLB already

Miranda already max bond

My Drake has no overloads

[graceful grotto]

i had helm at max bond too

[keen vapor]

And I've been avoiding SG in my defense this past months

[graceful grotto]

she could be plausible, we need more good healers too

[graceful grotto]

honestly noir is the only one i'm using at the moment for pvp sg lol

[coarse lake]

we got enough clip rls now, so sg lost a lot of their inherent usefulness

[keen vapor]

This

[graceful grotto]

true dat

and SG team is so one team only kinda case in raids

everyone get replaced as soon as the next powercrept SG came out lol

[keen vapor]

Ice Maiden was a good surprise

[copper creek]

at least the sgs are great in solo raid too... so not so painpeko to invest

[keen vapor]

Noir still 3 overload to this day

[copper creek]

0ol on noir kekw

but yea sgs not rly necessary for current sp.a meta

ca is another topic and i think its likely useful in ca

u put 5 sgs in one team for sure ur other 4 teams wont have to worry about jackal or cindy

[keen vapor]

What about God comp

[graceful grotto]

what even is god comp now hahaha

[keen vapor]

I want to reset a unit but idk who

[quick lake]

Mica

[copper creek]

reset rapipi

guaranteed maximum kekws

[rich quail]

Reset Scarlet

[keen vapor]

[rich quail]

Low ammo whiff is back, so u can live off that alone

[graceful grotto]

are we even able to reset lol

[copper creek]

oh yeah low ammo whiff tangina
seriously considered rolling ammo off my own scarlet

[spiral onyx]

SG teams actually have two very niche usages still:

1. On attack, punishing a weak P1 unit that is used in the defending team's burst chain
2. On defence, punishing a weak P5 unit that is used in the defending team's burst chain

For example, you always want to have a second offensive SG on your SAnis defence team to force them to put a tank on P5

Same with Maiden teams if you're running that still

It's niche but it's also sometimes forgotten

And so easily punished

[valid fern]

I just assume opponent has three jackals and each of their teams are eating good.

jackal should honestly be in her own tier.

[spiral onyx]

She is

Just some websites love to give everyone SSS tier so there's no way to actually distinguish what's a good unit and what's just an ok unit

[coarse lake]

tbh with cindy a lot of common setups are a lot less scary, p5 cindy invalidates having to use a biscuit just to block p5 for example

on atk yeah sgs still got use with p1 pressure, but not many will have enough sg units at high enough cp to be used, and with units like xmaiden, eh, not that needed anymore

just full sg teams are pretty rare bc of the invest needed, most just use 1 or 2 per team

[spiral onyx]

Ehh, I assume everyone already has a maxed out Drake and Noir at least

Drake getting a new favorite item helps

SAnis, Drake, Noir, MPrivaty, Maiden, BSoda, Pepper, Naga

Id assume people should have at least some of those leveled up just due to PvE

SAnis, Noir, Naga at the very least

Id not recommend running Naga in PvP of course, but if she's invested and all you need to do is burst down their P1 then have an inefficient B1-B2-B3 chain, so be it

Pepper, Naga, MPrivaty, Maiden, Noir. Something random like that. Probably a 3.5 or 4RL but doesn't matter, their P1 is dead, probably P2 soon, and you'll get full burst bonus to help mow down the rest of their team

[glad meteor]

I use rosanna sg to burst faster

Blanc p1 without biscuit is pretty weak

[livid marsh]

Can i ask your opinion about my special arena team

1. Scarlet, jackal, crown, sbs, noir
2. Noise, noah, summer anis, rapun, laplace
3. Blanc, emi, rh, biscuit, centi

[quick lake]

T1, u dont need both scarlet and SBS in the same team, as u’re only going to burst with one. Crown alone might not be enough buffs to OHKO the enemy. Jackal in P5 for protection against SGs.
T2 and 3 are fine. Just becareful of Noise in P1 if she dies, u cant burst

[thorn dock]

didn't they fix it?

[quick lake]

Nope. Still bugged

[swift mango]

Moran

[calm gull]

it stated "fixed in the current patch" but its a lie

just wait for a few minute and do it again

[pine basin]

guys what are good teams for rookie arena and special arena? if needed i can show the nikkes that i have

[tropic summit]

show your nikke and we can arrange some teams for you

[pine basin]

there

i need to raise noah skills but i will do that as soon as possible

[tropic summit]

is laplace treasured?

[pine basin]

yup

[tropic summit]

scarlet grave rh laplace+ jackal
blanc sbs rapu rumani noir
noah centi liter biscuit cind

cubes:

quantum on jackal, centi, rumani
vigor on blanc, rapu, biscuit, anis (if replacing rumani with her)
temperance on noah
rest can run any high level cube

once noah is invested, you could aim for this T3 instead:

noah biscuit rapu s.anis laplace (noir or xmaiden replaces la+ on T1)

[pine basin]

what about rookie arena?

also i didn't expect rumani, i haven't leveled her skills either

[tropic summit]

for rookie run either of these 3, you can rotate them if you start losing

[pine basin]

for the rest i have everything

[tropic summit]

can replace rumani with anis until she's 4/4/4 with 4 OL's, doll can be left at SR5

[pine basin]

ok thanks, what do you mean with t1?

[tropic summit]

team 1

[pine basin]

oh ok

well thanks

[tropic summit]

you welcome, good hunting

[river moat]

if i have 3 decents teams, but just pulled a moran, would my teams change

[tropic summit]

Depends on which nikke you already have built, Moran alone may not work well as she needs a bit of synergy

[river moat]

with the likes of whom

[tropic summit]

Post ur current teams and box so we can see if she could upgrade any of them

[river moat]

can you gimme 15 mins

[tropic summit]

Sure take your time

[shell hazel]

I got 221 sync Railtracer so my CP went to 555K or so I think, hopefully protects ones of the top slots almost 190k per team 🙂

[tropic summit]

A good mix of CP and meta definitely raises your odds

[shell hazel]

yeah, though I reckon I'll finish work and someone will have stolen my spot 😄

i'm going to OL scarlet a bit more and Jackal/Centi some as well to get CP up. aiming for 200K ish per team if I can eventually but have to move skill investment back to PVE team soon to carry on campaign bits

my Cindy is still pretty weak only 2 OL gear but I simply haven't found any of the other bits for her yet 😄

[calm lake]

how should i level up laplace's skills (with treasure)?

for pvp

[river moat]

The original question was if moran fit anywhere

[midnight sinew]

As Thorfinn once said.. I have no enemies

[tropic summit]

T3 is probably the one that could make most use of her, but you d also need to revise burst gen and find better B3, like SBS or scarlet or even EIN, s anis won't come back anytime soon since she was few months back

Whoever made your current teams knows what they doing tho, can leave them as is until you find more meta PvP nikke

[river moat]

cool thanks

[tropic summit]

Replacing neon with a better battery is likely one of your priorities

[river moat]

giving neon a battery?

[tropic summit]

Something like rumani instead

[river moat]

im kinda behind on lost sector

[tropic summit]

Just get through 160 wall asap

[river moat]

yeah im 3 short i think

i have the anni thats 1

and the other 2 is rng

[tropic summit]

Almost there

[river moat]

i could use a ticket to get rapi red to 3

that leaves me with just 1 left

[tropic summit]

Push campaign as much as u can meanwhile with support nikke

[tropic summit]

Hmm might be worth it

[river moat]

yeah doesnt look like ill need mana

[lean bobcat]

Any recommendation for special arena and rookie arena?

[swift mango]

His biggest enemy was himself...

[midnight sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/vinland-saga-thorfinn-relaxing-gif-27662711

[swift mango]

It has been nearly a year that I haven't read Vinland saga... Maybe it ended?

Nvm just 1 ch every few months

Dude is basically a Nord Jesus at this point.

Turning from revenger to cold blood killer to farmer to Jesus is one hella wild a life ...

Real Jesus can just only wish to compare..

[keen vapor]

is he talking about me

[swift mango]

Yeah, the phase applies to many. Including myself deleted my T9M gear collection today...

And Echo's 🧱

[keen vapor]

[nocturne arrow]

bruh almost

[glad meteor]

You sanis has max ammo

[nocturne arrow]

nope

[glad meteor]

Oh

Not invested

Wifi bad, i just skipped and saw 2

[nocturne arrow]

i wont say she is no invested but i cant say she invested either
just all OL without max ammo

[glad meteor]

Need 7/7/9

[nocturne arrow]

done that

[glad meteor]

[nocturne arrow]

im curious, why 9 and not 10?

[glad meteor]

9-10 too expensive for little-no return

[nocturne arrow]

ohh okay

[keen vapor]

And 9 cuts enough ammo

[glad meteor]

I remember taking her burst to 10 when I got her, then i skill reset her, I’m not whel, need mats

I gotta go

[nocturne arrow]

okay, have a nice day/night

[glad meteor]

Maybe noah noise biscuit sanis rapunzel if you have her

[nocturne arrow]

sadly, nope

bruh i upgrade her and this team died faster lol

noise died first, making sanis died because no taunt

[quick lake]

NEW DEFENCE WORKINGGG

[clear depot]

Guys, it is known this bug of getting invulin from Blanc burst? if they get attacked and killed at the moment invulin is applied, then it is wasted the effect
Here my Emilia got invulin but she was wiped away anyways

[quick lake]

And defence just broke

[glad meteor]

There’s a short cast time for indom to take affect, died just in time

[keen vapor]

Man I wish

[keen vapor]

Oh....

[glad meteor]

If noah and noise have same charge speed, you can put adjutant cube on noise so noise won’t be targetted by her taunt.

Don’t know if it will be enough though

[keen vapor]

Happens to me all the time

[glad meteor]

Is this global, if so send union

[quick lake]

Yes, Global

[nocturne arrow]

okay, i will do that later

[keen vapor]

If that's true why my higher charge speed Noise gets aggro over Noah

[quick lake]

His union?

[glad meteor]

Yeah, maybe their in familiar union

[clear depot]

Oh I thought it was like instant effect and it was a bug, thanks!

[glad meteor]

How much more CS

[quick lake]

If u wanna stalk. (Whale, if u’re seeing this, pls just let me have my rank 1)

The new defence I cook was so solid

Won yet another defence

[whole pawn]

give me the sauce

[quick lake]

If u have 7 units with 17% charge speeds sure

Its 3x 2.5RL teams (with a Moran Bay)

[whole pawn]

who are they

[quick lake]

Most of ur pvp RL units essentially

[frigid panther]

could u share team comp ?

[quick lake]

Jackal, centi rumani

[whole pawn]

share the team man

[frigid panther]

atk too i have problem with atk team

[quick lake]

Share u the easy one

[glad meteor]

Unfamiliar

[quick lake]

One of the good pvp cooks in my bracket, attack and lost to my defence

Literally only 4 more hours left to season reset

[drifting hazel]

You got Centi on another team i suppose

[frigid panther]

did anyone have rookie arena team ?

[quick lake]

Typical Scarlet Blanc RH Centi Jackal works very well

Or Blanc Emilia RH kind of teams

[frigid panther]

ty

[whole pawn]

is this attack or def

[quick lake]

Defence. But in attack works very well too

Just a little bit expensive because u’re using both Blanc and Scarlet/Jackal

[keen vapor]

4.33%

[tropic summit]

Your opponent is about to either wallet like crazy or finally understand what CS% means, either way wear protection when it happens

[quick lake]

He cracked my teams on the 6th attempt. No wallet opening yet

[glad meteor]

Your noah should have taunt aggro till at least 6RL

[tropic summit]

Oh wow he still made it

[keen vapor]

[quick lake]

I hit him back like 5mins later

[glad meteor]

SP arena ends today

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-office-dwight-schrute-sniper-gif-11183061719228601435

[keen vapor]

He's higher synch than Abathur (C2) now

[cedar orbit]

Whale

[keen vapor]

Fun fact: He can't invest his cubes

[strong hull]

Mega brick

[tropic summit]

if only the cubes alone were the issue

[onyx scaffold]

share me the other two once it breaks -_-

[quick lake]

Okay okay, no gate keeping. My defence teams
@tropic summit @glad meteor

Casually cooked yesterday, and turned out pretty well

[onyx scaffold]

ikr

ppl have units i have 0 investment in

[quick lake]

[onyx scaffold]

ty

will save for 3 months

me needs to invest in campaign first

tbf your enemy has like 10 levels higher than u

not like me with 30 levels diff

[quick lake]

Pretty sure my whale won by CP-difference me

[onyx scaffold]

likey

[quick lake]

Yeah, 30lvls difference is too much

[onyx scaffold]

but using moran rumani bay together is wild

the cp punishment is skyrocket

[tropic summit]

uh not even using biscuit

[quick lake]

Who needs biscuit

[quick lake]

Yeah, My bay is like 441 investment

[tropic summit]

T3 is still 2.5RL with CS%? 🤔

[quick lake]

Yeah all teams are 2.5RL

[onyx scaffold]

u also bench emilia

[quick lake]

Cause I dont have her

[onyx scaffold]

🧱

[quick lake]

Would be WAY easier to build teams if I had Emilia

Now I suffer, cause I need 17% all my RLs instead

[tropic summit]

if i had to guess, he's likely going scar-jack on T3 due to multiple SGs and god scarlet 2RL on your scarlet? Then again T1 might die to double buff emi

out of all 3 of them T1 might be the scarier 🤨

stuck into a 2.5RL moran

[quick lake]

U have to 2RL ScarJack, so not enough buffers. Single buffed Scar cant OHKO

[tropic summit]

double buff SG feed doesn't kick your 2.5RL scarlet into 2RL?

[quick lake]

Hmmm, maybe u’re right

[tropic summit]

i've seen matchups with a single SG kicking 3RL scarlet into 2.5RL (due to jackal and centi on quantum 7), so maybe 2 SGs might push you into 2RL

i'd have to test it tho 🤔

[quick lake]

Yeahh, seems likely

[tropic summit]

still, those are very good teams

the only complaint is the double SG on T3

sadly too abusable

[quick lake]

If I had Emilia, I could swap her in

[tropic summit]

relatable

[quick lake]

Just need 1 more clip RL

[tropic summit]

where is your anis 10/10/10 SR15 with 4OL and 17% CS

[quick lake]

Honestly not sure how T1 will fare in general. Havent really tested that team on attack

[tropic summit]

eh it looks fearsome

[quick lake]

[quick lake]

Realised that SBS/SAnis is too weak to be put in Moran/Noise + Bay

[tropic summit]

i fear at that synch rate and with ppl on maximun doll investiment, it probably isn't enough

[quick lake]

I still have doubts on Anis

[quick lake]

Yeah Really needs a buffer

[tropic summit]

2.5RL indom SBS/s.anis?

that's at least a blanc buff + debuff

considering your 17% CS it should be doable

[quick lake]

Yeahh Somehow rarely run Indom + DPS

Even though, I think they have the highest win rates in general

[tropic summit]

wow, it really would be still 2.5RL

even without removing cindy

now that'd be a wtf moment for opponent, doubt anyone would expect a 2.5RL on that one

same for s.anis variant

[quick lake]

Fool ur opponents thinking its a dump pvp setup

[tropic summit]

anyone without assumption of 17%CS might guess wrong

then they're stuck surviving 10s of indom with single buff + self buffed carry

[quick lake]

Exactly

I wonder if there's a team that is 4RL, but after 17% cs, its 2.5RL. Mega trolling

[tropic summit]

eh that'd be interesting

[quick lake]

I dont think I've found any yet. But also havent tried hard enough

Dont think its possible

[tropic summit]

hmm got 3RL down to 2RL... maybe 3.5RL down to 2RL still doable

but 4RL down to 2RL would be insane 🤔

[quick lake]

I think maybe.. 3.5RL to 2.5RL might be possible

[tropic summit]

yeah sounds likely

[quick lake]

Still cant find any might not be possible

[tropic summit]

yeah seems like 🤨

tried to play around with normal SG to get middle ground but it's either 3.5RL into 3RL or 3RL into 2.5RL, only half way

[quick lake]

Yeah. Doesnt seem possible

Looks like we only have to worry about cs giving 0.5RL faster speed then

[tropic summit]

@keen vapor @swift mango @coarse lake @worthy knoll @quick lake cinderella in p2 doesn't lead to 1RL 🤔

1RL due to cindy in p1:

2RL with cindy in p2:

[keen vapor]

Yeah, due to the lack of target skip

[tropic summit]

does hitting the decoy from p2 still generate more burst tho?

because i wanted to understand how detrimental it would be to have cindy in p2 instead of p3 🤔

[keen vapor]

Do RL reach decoy on P2?

[tropic summit]

yeah that's the question, i think maybe only emi does

so long as you're not against emi, it should be ok

else a 2RL might be 1RL

shame i don't have emi to test this

[bleak shale]

yes

[tropic summit]

so even non-emi clip RL would produce more energy uh

[bleak shale]

to both

emi actually gains less

because it doesnt proc her thingy

[tropic summit]

oh the irony

[bleak shale]

but she should also gain on p3 cindy

[tropic summit]

thanks, gonna keep this in mind for cooks

[keen vapor]

So, which is better

[quick lake]

Yep. Cindy in P2 is okay tbh. It gives ur opponent slightly more burst gen, from 4 targets to 5 targets cause of the decoy. I dont think its able to make ur opponent burst 0.5RL faster (unless they're at 90%+ speed at 2.5RL)

[worthy knoll]

P1 Cindy is 1.75 multiplier to individual RL gen (except Emi)
While P2 Cindy is just 1.25 multiplier

[bleak shale]

iirc the ones hit worst is emi/a2 then laplace and then everyone else is the same

[quick lake]

Yep Merry calc looks right.
Cindy in P1 should hit 7 targets (1.75x burst gen)
Cindy in P2 should hit 5 targets (1.25x burst gen)
Regular RL units hit 4 targets (1.00 burst gen)

[tropic summit]

awesome, good to know 🤔

[worthy knoll]

Emi's gen is prolly like this if P1 or P2 Cindy

[kindred tinsel]

needed this info yesterday

i guess ill start saving rocks

[swift mango]

I figure p3 Cindy as well

[devout jasper]

does anyone know what the number at the bottom left is good for?

[keen vapor]

That's charge speed

[devout jasper]

ahh tyty

[swift mango]

When OL line so sh*t Grave CP lower than Anis even after wasting 10+ rocks to fix her....

Yeah this nikke is so Ancient she broke and can't be fixed

[tropic summit]

the RNGods have forsaken you

[keen vapor]

Do both of them have dolls?

[swift mango]

Yea

[keen vapor]

Huh, looks accurate then

My Anis doll isn't R15 yet so she's still below Grave

[keen vapor]

But knowing that R15 = 6k CP then she will end just like this

[swift mango]

My grave doll is sr0 but still only 3k difference

[keen vapor]

My Grave doll is R15 always R first, never the opposite

[swift mango]

I won't upgrade shit grave anymore

Won't be digging my grave

445 is enough

Plus SR

[keen vapor]

Burst 10

[keen vapor]

But I'm broke Asuka isn't finished yet

[swift mango]

Nah you can go dig your grave, I won't dig mine

Now that I think about it Mana may bring Nero into the map again

If she were burst 1 or 3

[sly igloo]

Hello everyone am I allowed to ask for team comp advice here?

[swift mango]

Ofc

[tropic summit]

hi, yes go ahead, post your box with nikke ordered by strength

[swift mango]

Arena team mainly

[keen vapor]

Burst 2 I can feel it

[swift mango]

I can feel you getting stepped on by merry

[keen vapor]

2700 secured thanks everyone for your help

[swift mango]

Lose 100 gem right at the end of season because I was half asleep and hit a guy twice with shit team

[lone sequoia]

that would be bad... nero is in the same lvl as rosanna, they need investment

they are really strong untis

[sly igloo]

Thank you very much I've gotten so many more characters and upgrades since last time I really even worked on pvp

I could probably use a rookie refresh because it's been a long time since I touched it and it's just for CP

[swift mango]

It's defend, Nero won't work alone she need someone else to heal her and can revive. Team that wipe just laugh at her.

Rossana just throw her into any team and she would be a threat.

[tropic summit]

taking a look

[sly igloo]

thank you so much. I also just got to 280 in synchro

[tropic summit]

btw is laplace treasured?

[umbral belfry]

wasn't rank 1 supposed to get 3k gems? i got 2.4k

[sly igloo]

yes

fully and some OL gear

[lone sequoia]

that depends in how you build your teams, you can face tank double buff nukes without healer or/and add the healer just to win the sustain fight, still the pvp style+ cp mechanic is just bad and with that alone you can say cp gap them and you win, in similar lvl and stats you can tank and in this case is more important the team synergy and how the comp work

[cedar orbit]

The ranking depends on how many red chips you gain.

[slim monolith]

final rewards aren't based on rank. you accumulate red chips over time, accumulating more per hour the higher rank you are

final rankings are based on how much you accumulated versus everyone else

[umbral belfry]

never have i been so bamboozled

ty tho!

[swift mango]

Double nuke is very defend. RH+Blanc at full investment at Nero won't save your Rapu.

[tropic summit]

cinderella is pretty down low, you planning to invest on her or not on your list for now?

[sly igloo]

yes I'd like to I just haven't really focused on non story for a while because I was trying to push that

and catch up on towers

[lone sequoia]

nero is a strong unit in the same lvl of rosanna, people used to talk shit when SU released those units, just because people didn't know how they work

rapu can tank double buffed nuke

do you know how DR+nero S2 work?

[swift mango]

Ofc, why would I even talk about the topic of tanking wipe if I didn't know she help tanking

Nero can be 100% DR... But that's only for herself. She doesn't have wipe protection.

[lone sequoia]

14%+puppet+stats for units that heal nero

[swift mango]

Blanc reduce 40% from that

[tropic summit]

last question, does s.anis have burst skill lv 9?

[lone sequoia]

RH is not enough to wipe a rapu

[sly igloo]

Not yet but I have stuff saved up so I can get there

[swift mango]

Idk about full investment Rapu but I'm wiping Rapu with just RH just fine.

[lone sequoia]

you could talk about cindy and what SU did to her burst to "fix it" that thing kill everything in a bad timing

[lone sequoia]

that is your experience but that doesn't mean you can't tank with rapu

[swift mango]

4% more dmg reduction from lv5 to 15 doll won't change it

Maybe if you have max core Rapu vs no core Scarlet

[lone sequoia]

i would like to see your sp bracket+lvls

[swift mango]

Would level change how tanky Rapu is?

So lv500 Rapu more tanky than lv300 Rapu? Vs same enemy?

[lone sequoia]

back to the main point, i pref mana as a decent unit, with all the bugs in pvp right now, more res mechanics is more problems

[bleak shale]

nikkes grow in defense stat faster than they grow in atk stat iirc

[lone sequoia]

sync

[cedar orbit]

yeah, generally at higher lvl, units become tankier

[bleak shale]

but i have consistently 1shot rapus if im not in deficit at 480 sync with blanc rh scar all at burst 10

and scar s1 10

usually fighting around 14-15% deficit just under penalty

[swift mango]

Yeah... I'm never getting myself be deficit unless vs whale.

[cedar orbit]

did she have a Nero giving her damage reduction tho

[tropic summit]

T1: noah biscuit s.anis la+ noise
T2: pmaid naga liter noir jackal
T3: blanc sbs rapu maiden centi

T1: s.anis must have lvl 9 burst skill, resil cube
T2: pmaid must be linked with jackal and have lowest HP in the link (it's likely noir and pmaid, ensure noir and jackal have higher max HP)
T3: no particular notes

cubes:

quantum is needed on noir and jackal to hit 3RL thresholds
resil on s.anis
vigor on biscuit, rapu, blanc
temperance on noah
rest of nikke can run any high lvl cube

notes:

build/wishlist: cinderella, s.anis, scarlet, rumani. Ask again for new teams once any of those is done to upgrade your teams

[swift mango]

60 lv above myself

[bleak shale]

no

nero is super dead for me in pvp atm ngl

cp screwed

[lone sequoia]

too many options to get the same 3 wins

[bleak shale]

nah the real problem is i just dont have enough to invest in a character like that

and if i dont invest then im cp screwed

[swift mango]

Maybe it's the case? DEF getting higher comparing to ATK at higher synch?

That would make Nero even more niche and won't work if CA is synched to lv400 then

Or maybe Rapu enemy has 4 DEF line

[cedar orbit]

CA sync at lvl 1000

[lone sequoia]

i already have her max, same books problems for other units, still need more lvls in mari/grave for pve and specifically in mari for some pvp teams

[swift mango]

I guess everyone would fish 4 line of DEF on Rapu if they used Nero with her I guess

[lone sequoia]

cs

ammo/elemental

3rd line def is ok

[swift mango]

That would not be much difference to any Rapu around then

[lone sequoia]

is important if you run slow teams

[swift mango]

Other than 4% more Dr from lv15 doll

So still wipe able

[lone sequoia]

CS in your RLs means 1~2 burst faster and you can make the fights more tricky to some people

[bleak shale]

i dont run any pvp units atm everything goes into pve

[swift mango]

Unless high synch level mean much better DEF vs ATK

My scarlet is 10/10/10 ofc

[sly igloo]

Thank you SOOOOO much. Is the first team my best rookie team as well or is CP still king for that right now till I get everything sorted?

[swift mango]

And I would make my Blanc s3 lv10 in the future

[lone sequoia]

my units tank against max core+ higher sync tier in pvp (main account)

but i don't* change or show new teams in that account because i don't want to fight the same bracket for CA

[cedar orbit]

we just got lvl 10 Blanc burst when she was giga meta

[swift mango]

How much is higher synch here?

[lone sequoia]

sync tier=+21

[swift mango]

So your synch level must be in the 500?

And you Rapu max core as well?

[lone sequoia]

few lvls+cp boost from +21 are more problems than more lvls with less boost

you still have the core count for some units

[swift mango]

And how their max core team somehow not put you in the deficit? If your team isn't max core as well?

[sly igloo]

most the top 3 are around 350k the top guy is a CRAZY whale who has a full god comp maxed at 600k My main team is 430k and my PVP teams are around 236k for the Top one

[lone sequoia]

my units ar lb0~or c1 at most but SR15

[tropic summit]

for rookie i'd go with this

[lone sequoia]

because you can change your units to get in range(?

[swift mango]

Then it's the case of out investment.

Their Scarlet maybe 447 for all I know.

[lone sequoia]

you can defeat the same team in different ways

[swift mango]

Ofc

[sly igloo]

Awesome thank you! I'l work on upgrading these the best I can

[lone sequoia]

or you can use biscuit/rosanna that work in cp deficit

[tropic summit]

well whales/leviathan do exist in this game, so if they're way ahead of you, either you took a break or they just used their wallet

[upper grove]

I was attacked 2 times in the last 2 weeks

[bleak shale]

idk wat yall fighting but i just get straight deficited if i dont use full OL teams

at 21+ sync diff

[swift mango]

If same investment I don't believe your Rapu could face tank Scarlet+Blanc+RH especially if they had max core.

[sly igloo]

yea everyone on my server is fairly competative and then he's 200k ahead of everyone

[upper grove]

Noone seems to be able to break my def or they just use their pve units to pad with bad lineups

[bleak shale]

and this is one of the higher sync teams i have

[swift mango]

Even at higher synch like 500

[bleak shale]

even matching sync level this dude nearly out cps me

by 15%

if i use nieche pick at 0-1lb

its death

[lone sequoia]

490 sync is like 180~230k cp for good units

[bleak shale]

u mean across 3 teams?

im pretty sure theyre higher

[lone sequoia]

like my pvp units with low core are like 190~210 at 472

how much cp was the jump from SR5 to SR15?

[bleak shale]

i would show but its between season atm

[swift mango]

I remember AgentEon counted it, like 7k

[lone sequoia]

i think the cp problem for some teams is the skills of some of their units

not every skill is good or have a use in most of the teams

centi is the burst gen unit, same for jackal (unless you use snipe or sustain comp)

[bleak shale]

at 494 i have 939279+977092+927427 which is around 284k with core units overloaded like noah/rapu ect

opponents have been literally 15.5%+ deficit on me for atleast 2 teams

of 3

[bleak shale]

this dude use to be 15.2% when i beat him before 501

and favours pve units over pvp cuz i needed the cp for my setup atm

[lone sequoia]

cores+good OL lines

[swift mango]

Do you have a list of which Nikke Jackal S3 buff their dmg?

[lone sequoia]

power

rapi, xmaiden

i don't remember the b2s

[bleak shale]

if it reads that then it likely affects it

[swift mango]

Your Nero ....

[bleak shale]

"affects 1 enemy unit(s)"

[grizzled bone]

Brid

[lone sequoia]

+1k fire damage against who?

[bleak shale]

it use to affect distributed

before we self reported and they fixed it cuz 2b

[swift mango]

Hey, it's at least 10k

Don't underestimate yourselves

[lone sequoia]

the DR+counter is more important

if you have elemental maybe you can oneshot a noah

[swift mango]

+1k dmg being that strong?

[lone sequoia]

depend in the time of the cast+stats+ OL

imagine you cast when noah is half HP

[swift mango]

So it doesn't affect units like S.Rossana and SBS anymore?

[lone sequoia]

is a source of damage but i don't know if it is something that will win you the match

[bleak shale]

as far as i know, it doesnt

[swift mango]

Man

[lone sequoia]

2 targets rosanna

[bleak shale]

iirc it affects sbs's 1st hit?

[lone sequoia]

sbs 1 or 2nd cast that target lowest def

[swift mango]

I mean S.Sakura....

[bleak shale]

i recall this hit got increased way back when

[lone sequoia]

sakura S2?

[bleak shale]

but the other 2 remaind unbuffed

[swift mango]

She cast it at the start of the match though

Not after Jackal.

So does it work?

[lone sequoia]

i think the bug affect skills even without jackal b3

[swift mango]

They said they fixed it...

[lone sequoia]

you have to burst now(?

[swift mango]

Never tested but they said they fixed it on patch note

[swift mango]

Thanks for the info

[swift mango]

But this isn't burst skill dmg or is it? 🤔

[bleak shale]

the burst just changes the hitcount

quite literally

i only remember sjay asking me to check it when sbs came out

which has been a year so it might be different now

[swift mango]

I remember Rheax sourced the CN wiki that said that they tested and Jackal s3 increased S.Sakura + SBS dmg. The reason I asked.

[bleak shale]

i mean just take sbs into shooting range and check

with and without jackal

there was a patch where it removed distributed dmg from working with jackal

[worthy knoll]

It shouldn't affect coz SBS burst is kinda like just a buff and its the S1 who does the damage. Jackal only affects damaging burst skills. Skill 1 Skill 2 even having the same text damage is not affected

[swift mango]

I guess I would do just that then

[bleak shale]

maybe it changed since then

lud burst vs jackal burst

mast is such a god send for testing stuff, shredding armour to 0

[worthy knoll]

2B is a direct damaging burst thats why it affected her, SBS is a skill 1 damager not a burst damager. It should still affect 2B but just the 792% portion not 2.4k one

[swift mango]

You had S.Sakura in the team as well ... What about her?

[bleak shale]

i didnt look

[worthy knoll]

It wouldn't affect her

Needs strictly to have the "Affects 1 enemy unit(s)" text

SSakura burst don't have it

[worthy knoll]

Hey I know its not that high but you can't just say its just 10k damage

[swift mango]

How much HP a Noah would have at your level?

[worthy knoll]

Prolly around 5M.. Like Nesso said its not the burst damage that matters but the S2 but it should be able to kill Noah quick on the second full burst

[swift mango]

Would a Nero be okay with 10-10-5?

[worthy knoll]

Yeah that is fine

Burst is just an extra

[swift mango]

I think she is cheaper to invest then Rossana then...

[worthy knoll]

You just want it if you want Nero to have more heal values

Nero also have high hp values on entry. I guess at least 1.8x than any other defender 🤔

[glad meteor]

Imagine her damage scaled off hp

Treasure soon

[swift mango]

Man I just deleted most of my T9m gear by mistake today... would need to farm hard if I wanted to build Nero later...

Hmmm... Maybe just focus on building Rossana for now...

[lunar dirge]

i didn't deleted any of my actually important gear

but i need 3 misilis attacker head gear

[swift mango]

Good for you

[lunar dirge]

still

[tropic summit]

that could kill a lot of nikke

[worthy knoll]

Jackal burst is just lvl 5

[lunar dirge]

not at his sync ig?

[worthy knoll]

XMaiden makes me tempted to make a Jackal 10 burst

[tropic summit]

unprotected nikke that are not full HP will be in danger

[lunar dirge]

at that case we can just 2 sg their ass

i see her punishing jackal link easily tho

[tropic summit]

yeah it adds usage in certain scenarios

then again the investiment needed to get there...

[worthy knoll]

She was already maxed for me since her release so..

[tropic summit]

your loyalty paid off

i've seen essentially 0 nero in my brackets so far, she's probably one of those dark horses

i did see a few rare quiries instead

[worthy knoll]

Now we just need Ruru treasure and let her get hp to atk conversion and self heal

[swift mango]

Same dmg I guess...

[lone sequoia]

i also invested in nero since release, never used her in def teams in my main account

[tropic summit]

keeping her hidden for the rainy days?

[lone sequoia]

you could say that

[tropic summit]

ppl gonna tilt so hard if they've never seen her in actual action

[swift mango]

Eh then you really have no justify to say she is good on defense...

[worthy knoll]

2 from my bracket built her coz of they copied my def.. well not as built as mine but they started gearing her up at least i guess

[lone sequoia]

i have an* alt and you can use units... i don't know... in atk

[swift mango]

ATK can be many things.... You don't need Nero for that.

[tropic summit]

i get the feeling stall comps are going to be the most meta in late synch levels

[lone sequoia]

you can use the unit you want in def, people can cp gap you

[lone sequoia]

maybe, but we got rapi that is a counter...

[tropic summit]

yeah, her indom is fearsome

[swift mango]

They would be so disappointed when their def not holding I guess.

[tropic summit]

if they copying it, it's because merry's def worked tho

[swift mango]

I think Iris said that DEF increased faster than ATK at higher Synch...m

[lone sequoia]

HP

[tropic summit]

yeah, nukes in general seem to scale off worse on later synch levels, but i still lack proper experience to say

[worthy knoll]

Well they also copied my sync 1 Jackal sacc

[lone sequoia]

noise/jackal p1/p2?

[worthy knoll]

P2 Jackal

Hit linked unit on P1, since Jackal is sure link she falls quick and feed my Rosanna

[swift mango]

What's the point of sacr Jackal even... Are your 2 units still linked if Jackal ded?

[lone sequoia]

if you have the damage in a fast team, you don't have to tank

i mean, that is how nuke comps work

[swift mango]

Lemme test that really quick since today is off day I could unsynched Jackal in oeace

[worthy knoll]

It was my meme team, a lot got baited to it though and refreshed hard like 10 times to solve it

[swift mango]

So the 2 units would still linked? This video isn't very clear on that.

As your Cindy just wipe when Jackal ded...

[worthy knoll]

They are still link you can see Rosanna

Blinking when Jackal died

[swift mango]

Okay thanks

[lone sequoia]

the buff is still there, but only work when 2 or more units have the same exact buff

[tropic summit]

@swift mango

[swift mango]

Thanks but I guess I won't unsynched my Jackal for this even as meme... Could always use lv1 Anis p2 if I want and save Centi for another team....

[lone sequoia]

at higher synchro you just use SR or weak element units as sacc

no need to* use lv1 units

[worthy knoll]

I opted with Jackal coz if not Jackal they can just SG their way. And I have the CP leeway doing a sync 1 too

[swift mango]

They can just dodge that with not using Emi, Lap+ though...

[lone sequoia]

rosanna trade

easier

[worthy knoll]

Well the counter on the meme team is actually just another Rosanna

[swift mango]

Oh...my bad not looking at 3 B1... Yeah, need Jackal...

To sacr... There would be no slot for a B2...

Otherwise

[lone sequoia]

defenderp1 and no unit in p2 if you go with biscuit

to me rosanna sac teams used to be a cheap comp to counter or bait scarlet teams

now you just use the S2 for burst gen

and if you want the same old rosanna comp that will be expensive in OL(damage)+ cp

you will need damage+ 1 sac in your team+ kill pressure in the enemy team

[swift mango]

Rossanna to shit Scarlet at half HP, to shot Emi water. Or burst gen...

Doesn't need 4 line AtK...

[lone sequoia]

and they are still weak against biscuit, but at least with all that damage in OL you have the cp to avoid they running comps without units in p2

[swift mango]

You can't run comp with empty p2 in Defense

[lone sequoia]

now for snipes you need atk elemental (if emi)

[swift mango]

You need a level 1 at elast

[lone sequoia]

but that was different before the puppet update

[swift mango]

Well Idk... Scarlet already half HP before she burst... If you have LaplaceT she would be almost ded.

[lone sequoia]

sac rosanna as def team, no p2 unit in the opponent team when they attack you if you use RLs

[swift mango]

LapT and Emi alone would almost kill a linked Scarlet or straight up kill her.

Rossanna will just pick up whatever left

[lone sequoia]

that comp is older than laplace treasure or emi

the scarlet team was scarlet/blanc/buffer/centi/jackal - liter/xanne for filler in the chain

SG rosanna was a sac comp in def

or one with high p1 pressure in atk

2SG (iron+noir)+your chain in p3~p5

[swift mango]

Yeah but you need to update the scope if you already update the doll.

[lone sequoia]

2 SG alone before the puppet update used to kill scarlet before 2RL (elemental damage or high atk/crit)

what i mean is if you want to use a rosanna comp with RLs in the team you will need kill pressure and damage from OL that allow you to get high cp so they can't skip p2

more damage in RLs for other comps can be bad if you kill the p2 early because you get less burst gen

[umbral belfry]

just pulled soda, is her main gimmick mostly burst gen?

[tropic summit]

bsoda or normal soda

[umbral belfry]

bsoda, my bad

[tropic summit]

then just bench her

[umbral belfry]

my auto correct on phone lmao

bsoda you mean right?i bad to edit my msg

[tropic summit]

bsoda is mid nuke and clip SG battery, although she has additional specific usage due to burst duration to 15s

but in your case, just bench her for now, you'd need to build her

[umbral belfry]

oh the pain of not having mats

okay thanks!

[tropic summit]

it's still less priority than your other nikke

no big deal dw

[spiral cairn]

who would you put against this team? im losing a lot lately and im trying to improve a bit and understand more

[umbral belfry]

scarlet is much better in pvp vs b3 rapi isn't she?

oh oops i thought that was your team

[glad meteor]

Scar blanc pepper noir bsoda maybe

[keen vapor]

I'm farming gear as well, daijobu

[spiral cairn]

why so sad homie

[keen vapor]

Bc there's no jackal in your box

[spiral cairn]

not really my fault, rngesus failed me

and i wont use selection box for pvp xD

its crazy how op she is though

[glad meteor]

Indeed, No jackal

[rich wyvern]

I had jackle on wishlist for 8 months no luck, I even got Drunk Scarlet before Jackle

A Sober Scarlet too

[glad meteor]

gib

I started tove event, still scarless

[spiral cairn]

she's still op in arena?

[glad meteor]

Yeah, bye bye to any weapon type that isn’t rl/sr

[keen vapor]

Use selector

[keen vapor]

She will be a top option for like forever

[rich wyvern]

nah I am good I eventually got a spook from social

[leaden gull]

Haha realised I don't actually have Rumani, is there someone I can swap her out for?

[umbral crown]

[livid marsh]

Bro is there any guide or manual to learn more about pvp?

[rich quail]

[rich quail]

Click on the # pvp-arena thingie

Search the pins

You will find true happiness

I must go

My planet needs me

[rich quail]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-planet-wink-winking-gif-14682228

[spiral cairn]

i forget about checking pins when i need it the most xD

[keen vapor]

What you did to your selector

[leaden gull]

The one from the banner?

Quency escape queen

It was between her or Rumani

[keen vapor]

:Doro angry:

[livid marsh]

What the meaning of soft counter and hard counter?

[keen vapor]

Show context please

[glad meteor]

E.G

Soft counter
Noise against 1 buffer scar
Biscuit bay vs emi
Noah biscuit 1RL slower than emi (imo)

Hard counter
Noah/bay vs scar
Noah biscuit vs scalter
Sakura Fire vs Scalter
Rosanna vs emilia

[worn delta]

wanting to prep for next special arena could i have some help building the three teams?

[quick lake]

Biscuit Bay wins Emilia?

How does that work

[glad meteor]

Damage distribution

[quick lake]

Wait what!?!?

Since when was that a thing??!!??

So dmg Bay's dmg distribution just... reduces Emi's dmg to zero????

[glad meteor]

No

They take damage, but the damage triggers biscuit s2 on bay, the whole team receieves siginificantly less damage I think

Maybe one of the other pvp’ers can explain better

[quick lake]

This is so trippy

[quick lake]

@worthy knoll @lone sequoia Is there an explanation that Bay counters? I feel like this shouldnt work?

[glad meteor]

Send screenshots of your nikkes by
Settings > horizontal > sorted by power

This’ll help people build comps for you

[worthy knoll]

Its Noah Emi, not Blanc.. you can tank that one even without Bay

[quick lake]

Bay Biscuit Fake news! @glad meteor

[glad meteor]

[worthy knoll]

Well kidding aside it prolly just simply mitigates the damage.
No Bay 100% 100% 100% 100%
With Bay 40% 40% 40% 40%

[glad meteor]

I’ll stop coping

[worthy knoll]

60% is from (15%*4)

[quick lake]

Hmm so it happens to be a weak Emi too..?

[glad meteor]

Moran rapunzel sanis bay biscuit

[quick lake]

Noise + Bay, cancels out RH + Emilia

[glad meteor]

I think this team can win against icbm

[quick lake]

Okay, kinda makes more sense now

My Moran + Bay insta dies to ICBM

[glad meteor]

But i won’t test because i don’t trust

[glad meteor]

Need biscuit

Moran tanks emi hit because of Biscuit

And damage share is happening so bay can’t get one shot

But i don’t trust it so I won’t run it, nor have the proper investments

[coarse lake]

It's not that special tbh, that's effectively no buffer emi hitting you

I nuke Moran bay biscuits with emi easily

[glad meteor]

I think they’re not invested

[coarse lake]

Wait nvm that's not a good metric, I kill biscuit before nuke lands, forgot

[glad meteor]

Oh

[coarse lake]

But still just do 3 buffer

[glad meteor]

I stopped running emi against moran biscuit for a while now, if moran tanks initial hit, it’s jover for me 🧌

[coarse lake]

And you're using double healer as well

[worthy knoll]

Well assuming no Biscuit, Bay mitigates Emi damage by 50% to each unit aside from Bay.. Bay takes 300%

[coarse lake]

No biscuit, bay shouldn't be living

[glad meteor]

I remember watching the vid, without biscuit, emi just taps the team

[coarse lake]

I don't think the other units will live either

[worthy knoll]

It just mitigates to 50% soo if its a Blanc Emi

[coarse lake]

If it's snapshotty, teammates should take same dmg regardless biscuit or not

[worthy knoll]

It prolly will still hurt

[coarse lake]

Just stop running 1 buffer emi unless you know it's enough

[worthy knoll]

Oh wait I calc it wrong I though it was 60 10 10 10 10

It was 40 15 15 15 15

So bay without Biscuit S2 against Emi will just make from 100% damage to 75% damage for the other units

[coarse lake]

Yeah sounds about right

[worthy knoll]

So just a 25% damage mitigation

[coarse lake]

Bay can't really do anything substantial by herself aside from blocking a single instance nuke

[glad meteor]

With dolls in the game, if moran buffer is active, blanc buff is like 5-10%

[coarse lake]

Blanc still making you do like 45% more dmg than without Blanc

[glad meteor]

Yeah

[keen vapor]

[swift mango]

Are you me? I used selector for her though.

[swift mango]

What? U didn't use selector for Jackal?

[glad meteor]

nope, i used it on noir

[swift mango]

Understanboobable

[keen vapor]

[glad meteor]

I originally took her for 160 wall

Then I got a like 2 more copies of her

And was tialess for a year

[swift mango]

Then you should have Jackal now and not needing selection this year.

[keen vapor]

I was Naga less for a year which is worse

[swift mango]

I have Naga and not using her

[keen vapor]

I use her

[swift mango]

[glad meteor]

I have jackal

Mlb

[quick lake]

I want more Moran dupes

[glad meteor]

I know a whel that has her core 6

[rich quail]

My Jackal

[quick lake]

Not 5/5/0/5

[rich quail]

I don’t know any whels with Jackal c6

Must be some loser

https://tenor.com/view/final-fantasy-giggle-laugh-laughing-tidus-gif-17234654

[glad meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/maniac-wanted-reaction-meme-spongebob-gif-24138039

I don’t know any either

[rich quail]

[keen vapor]

[glad meteor]

Accidentally advised 2 nikkes at max bond, bricked

[rich quail]

Quit the game

It’s over

[graceful grotto]

time to quit

[worn delta]

sorry about that!

[glad meteor]

It’s fine

[worn delta]

better picture!

[glad meteor]

i see an xanne, this is an old account

[glad meteor]

Emilialess?

[graceful grotto]

probably a returnee and miss rezero event

[glad meteor]

Yeah

[graceful grotto]

you'll need to show more unit, we wanna see what other unit u have

[worn delta]

yup no ssr abnormal units minus misato and himeno sadge

[worn delta]

my b i will add more

super under leveled but here they are 🫡

played for a long time but took breaks here and there

[keen vapor]

Where's my Anne rerun she's so cute

[glad meteor]

When champion arena comes

[rich quail]

Which is the 24th of Never

[glad meteor]

Maybe could run something like this

Is there no xmaiden

[quick lake]

How does the Noise Noah SAnis team perform? Currently running it but dk how well its works

[glad meteor]

All I know is it Get’s emi nuked

Since xmaiden and lap+ are dps maybe they could survive scar nuke, and stand a chance, since we usually expect sanis to die to counter

If enough ele on biscuit xmaiden and noise, emi nuke can become riskier

If they use emi rh blanc x jackal , their forced to put emi p1

With enough ele rolls on xmaiden it’d be more dangerous

And if they don’t have emi 21, liter buff won’t work

[worn delta]

for good measure the last page too lol

[glad meteor]

No Xmaiden too

[worn delta]

still learning how to team build for arena so i appreciate the help

[glad meteor]

@quick lake you got a cook

[quick lake]

Is Cereal cooking

[graceful grotto]

u cook bro

i'm working hahaha

[quick lake]

Okay, will do a fast one

[quick lake]

T1: Scarlet xAnne Viper RH Jackal
T2: Noah Centi Cindy Laplace Noise
T3: Blanc QeQ Biscuit Rapunzel Rumani

Sync Centi & Rumani. Can consider OL-ing them if u have the resource.
Can also invest in SBS and SAnis which are good in raid/AI as well

[graceful grotto]

qeq shoutout!

[quick lake]

Its in the first row DPS. Should be more invested than SBS

[worn delta]

oh forgot to mention i have lap and viper favorite items it’s late lol

[quick lake]

Yep! No worries! I thought so, so included them in

[worn delta]

interesting! i like these combinations i wouldn’t have thought of these- thanks

[keen vapor]

Guys

Overload Rei
Yes or no

[quick lake]

For pvp? I mean, she's the 3rd highest nuke iirc

Great buffer for fire-weak SR

I reset her recently

She's probably great if u're planning to run Rei + xanne revive team for CA

[keen vapor]

So that's a yes

[quick lake]

Cope

[grizzled bone]

Rei Ayami?

[quick lake]

Seems like it

[grizzled bone]

CA unit

[keen vapor]

So
Is cope or CA

[grizzled bone]

There are just better units in the current landscape of pvp right now imo. You can definitely make teams

But how long you've been playing, I don't really see why you would for SPA

[keen vapor]

Cope huh

[quick lake]

Rei is prolly 4th/5th team for CA, kinda leftovers imo

[graceful grotto]

eh i say no

nuke as she may be, MG is too much, i rather do QEQ lol

[quick lake]

Scarlet
Cindy
Blanc + SBS/SAnis
Stall
3rd DPS Nuker/ Revive Nuker (BSoda, Ein, Rei etc)
5SG team (cope)
Emilia

[grizzled bone]

Even for SPA you know she'll be a liability to Scar on defense

[coarse lake]

probably saves 1 buffer slot, in return you get trash gen on that team

[graceful grotto]

where ein

[grizzled bone]

[keen vapor]

So we better cope with part 2

[quick lake]

I dont even think Single Buffed Rei can do it anymore

[keen vapor]

What about Cindy

[quick lake]

Cindy still great

[swift mango]

QEQ feed even harder than her....

Double SMG. In Arena she is basically, Quency: Feed Queen.

Feed 1.5 times more than MG

[lunar dirge]

And no ramp up time

[swift mango]

I will do that later...

[keen vapor]

So double SMG actually worse feed than double SG which is just the same as normal SG.... (Somehow worse burst gen in Zwei case)

[livid marsh]

What icbm?

[livid marsh]

What icbm?

[glad meteor]

Emi nuke

[swift mango]

Zwei isn't clip SG.

So her gen worse

[keen vapor]

Ah, right

[glad meteor]

This team isn’t even 4rl, I’m cooked

[swift mango]

I would assume she feed double but the chart says otherwise

[keen vapor]

Only 5 pellets per weapon

[graceful grotto]

i didn't know she feed double (QEQ i meant)

interesting, is her burst gen also double of single smg?

[swift mango]

Yeah she has more burst gen but it doesn't mean much

[swift mango]

I guess it's actually double mini SG.

We will have real double SG later

[swift mango]

You should test first ... Maybe a Rei buffed Rapipipi would be interesting...

[quick lake]

Hmm.. interesting Why not just use Maxwell's passive buff then? Might be higher? idk

[swift mango]

Rei also Wipe though.... But we would probably need more Blanc or Noah tier units for that...

And useless vs Jackal link anyway

[coarse lake]

rapipi buff is smol in pvp terms

rei buff is smol if she's not bursting

both of them means you have trash gen

[swift mango]

Can still 3rl on attacking team with 2 clip RL

[glad meteor]

I’m not cooked

[swift mango]

Just have 20% CS in Rapu and Biscuit. Easy

[swift mango]

Hmm 4.5rl

Barely enough to catch 3rl emi

[swift mango]

Max out Moran?

[glad meteor]

Nah 477 with temper

No sr doll

[swift mango]

Their Emi must be trash... Low investment, only having 7 bullet....

[glad meteor]

Only need redhood emi and blanc to 1 shot most the time

[swift mango]

Yeah but 7 bullet mean their s2 is basically lv3 below

Trash tier investment

Probably not even OL

[glad meteor]

[swift mango]

Invested Emi with 21% charge CS would often burst at 2.5RL and your 4.1-4.5 team might not catch it.

And even if you catch it you would still ded.

Biscuit survive is the clear sign.

[glad meteor]

It says 10

[glad meteor]

There’s a lot of damage reduction going on

[swift mango]

Okay my bad

[swift mango]

But still, 7 bullet Emi is pretty bad. She lose like 4 shots she could have done with Blanc on.

[glad meteor]

Sure emi could use max ammo lines

Also moran target skips

Weird, but not unexpected anymore

Building CS + ammo is expensive

She killed sanis before reloading, I don’t think max ammo would’ve made much difference, as long as bay is immune

Maybe it’s worth to get 4atk lines on moran

4atk def

[quick lake]

4atk on Moran... need more rocks

[glad meteor]

Though it’s not a comp anyone can run on defence

[swift mango]

My Moran is pretty cooked

[quick lake]

Need to sink another 50 rocks to fish for atk...?

[swift mango]

Nah... Better not.

[quick lake]

Yeahh... maybe when I have excess rocks (never)

[glad meteor]

Better not

Back to pve I go, lost sector and solo raid

[oak gale]

@tropic summit

[whole pawn]

I wanted to do some pvp but I have an exam rn

[swift mango]

Uhhm mn is this rookie? Could you test this same team but bring Bay into p2 instead and record? Thanks...

Because I remember reading that Emi nuke would ignore cover dmg share... Idk if that's because she low charge so Bay of the same speed already lose cover when she shoot. Or Emi's burst literally ignore cover dmg share....

There's no Emi in my rookie ...

And no Moran p1 bay P4 as well ...

@worthy knoll

Do you know if Emi nuke ignore cover dmg share or just because she charge slowly so Bay of the same speed already lose her cover when she nuke? Thanks.

[umbral crown]

Ez

[swift mango]

Do you have your Bay built?

[umbral crown]

Not really, like 3/4 OL and SR0

[worthy knoll]

All RL projectile hit cover before the body. Cover is already destroyed by the nuke of Emi before the body gets hit.

[swift mango]

Thanks

[swift mango]

#pvp-arena message

Sorry for talking BS... So it means cover mean nothing in this case... Pure Dr from dmg share, Moran, and Invulnerable could do this I guess... 🤔

[quick lake]

I think it was a weak emilia/buffers

I have almost the exact same setup and got wiped out

[covert lintel]

i never had any luck on doll

[swift mango]

I think I have wiped a Moran Bay before easily... But I don't remember what it looked like anyway... Since no one is using that anymore that I could fight.

[swift mango]

Maybe try to upgrade doll when you got 100 pulls no SSR.

The universe would give you doll luck to even it out...

[covert lintel]

my worst luck is 1 ssr offrate/100pull

[fiery parcel]

Mana skill set out

[covert lintel]

her burst is something like DoT

[raven plover]

[whole pawn]

is she good

[raven plover]

free res without using burst

if you pair her with ros does that trigger ros s2

[covert lintel]

oh right she can trigger rosanna sac 2 times

[raven plover]

the level 1 strat?

[loud sonnet]

What does Burst gauge speed filling mean?

[graceful grotto]

holy wut

did u guys see that???? WTH

burst gen filled + auto revive omg

[raven plover]

does grave burst gen fill work for pvp :susge:

wait, xmica

[loud sonnet]

I think only after burst

[graceful grotto]

grave only happen after the first burst

[raven plover]

xmica yea

[graceful grotto]

but her burst gauge filling speed only affects herself

so 70% + for AR

how much is that?

maybe scarlet lvl?

i guess her main usage comes from her auto revive

[shell hazel]

think she'll be pvp meta? I don't have millions of pulls left

[whole pawn]

winnable?

[graceful grotto]

i mean... her passive allows her to insta revive one dead ally, i think she's gonna be S tier at least in pvp for that

[graceful grotto]

rookie? what units do u have?

[shell hazel]

27k gems and 30 tickets all I got haha

[graceful grotto]

30 tiks and 17k gems lol

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/doro-eat-ticket-summon-dorothy-gif-6254959793726031037

Rapi ate all my tickets