pvp-arena

[quick lake]

Win first, lose third probably

[wanton island]

so my team 1 always wins, but team 2 and 3 are my weak spots...

[quick lake]

T1 could run: Scar RH Jackal
T3 could run: Blanc Emilia Biscuit

[wanton island]

im still doing much better though

[quick lake]

The teams I gave u are primarily defence teams. Advised to tailor ur attack teams to the opponent

But yeah, teams 2 and 3 are rather slow. Unless u have Rumani or Noah

[wanton island]

oh. so i need to understand team comps better

[strong hull]

Yes.

[quick lake]

Can try this instead
T1: Scar Centi RH Naga Jackal
T2: Blanc SBS Biscuit Pepper Anis
T3: Noise Grave Alice Rapunzel xMaiden

[strong hull]

Rex whats 2RL scar team belike

[keen vapor]

Round 1: Skip by putting 1 unit alone
Round 2: Noah Noise SBS biscuit Rapunzel
Round 3: Scarlet Blanc Liter Centi Jackal

Check CP deficit before attacking

[quick lake]

Rex is.. me? why not just rheax

[wanton island]

i dont mind where im at now. im 4th because of your advice

[strong hull]

Easy name to remember

[quasi prism]

👍

Thank you

[keen vapor]

Check CP or you may lose

[quasi prism]

I shall

[quick lake]

Likely along these lines. 3 Clip RLs needed in general

[strong hull]

[wanton island]

@quick lake is this my best team for amateur?

its gotten me #1 but i trust your judgement

[strong hull]

No RH xmaiden usable?

[quick lake]

Scarlet Blanc RH xMaiden Jackal, in that order

[wanton island]

so it is the best team, just change the order?

[quick lake]

Yep! Order is impt here

[quick lake]

Maybe something like this. ur 2RL scar-jack should have 1 buffer e.g. RH/Mari/Blanc/(xanne kinda weak buffer)

[wanton island]

thanks. ive changed the order as you suggested

[strong hull]

Golden nuke Scar+ Mari then

[quick lake]

Np!

Yeah, Mari still really good imo

s3 must be lv10. And ideally some atk lines on her as well

[strong hull]

I was about to use anis but yea Mari good pick

[quick lake]

I'll probably MLB her if she reruns

[strong hull]

[quick lake]

Invested Rosanna + Mari should nuke highest 2 DPS even before scarlet

[strong hull]

Ros feed

Ill use crown sacr + ros

[quick lake]

I really think Rosanna + Mari + Quiry is viable

Then scarlet goes elsewhere 👀

[finite wedge]

you think just from the power deficit? what would you put in the other 2 units if I were to change it up?

[quick lake]

No deficit penalty so no worries there. Its just the team match up is poor

Ideally team 1:
Scarlet Centi RH Anis Jackal, in this order

Team 2:
Blanc SBS Biscuit Emilia (xMaiden/T.Laplace/Rumani)

[finite wedge]

team 1 would fall under deficit penalty, over 20%

[quick lake]

Penalty should be fine... i think

[quick lake]

Can do Scarlet Crown Centi RH Jackal, should have enough CP here

[finite wedge]

if I'm mathing right that should be 13%, yeah

want me to record and post for posterity?

[quick lake]

Yes pls! Record

woah woah

wait a min

[finite wedge]

waitin

[quick lake]

Use the Scarlet Crown team on Team 3. Why fight the hardest team 1

[finite wedge]

fair enough

[quick lake]

Should be easy win on both

Like mega easy

oh wait

WAIT

T2 got not B1

[quick lake]

T1: Blanc SBS Biscuit Noise(or pepper/Rapunzel whichever CP higher) Emilia

[finite wedge]

skating just under with 14.1% deficit

vs his team 2

[quick lake]

Should be fine

[finite wedge]

so I'm leaving alone his jackal/blanc team and going for liter/naga and exia/eunhwa

[quick lake]

yep

Both of his other teams are really bad

[finite wedge]

discord did the out of order uploads again

[quick lake]

Should win

[finite wedge]

winner

need to shrink the recording down

[swift mango]

You are right. I have read her skill wrong all this time. Sorry

[quick lake]

No worries! Winning is all that matters 🔥

[finite wedge]

is uploading videos directly in this channel okay?

[quick lake]

Yeah should be fine. Can just use that vid for ur own reference

[swift mango]

Lol reply though the notification and it won't @ or tell in the comment which comment I replied to. Whoosh....

[finite wedge]

I needed to learn how to do screen caps in sharex anyway

[swift mango]

[coarse lake]

things that boost cover would say they boost cover

hp buffs should have nothing to do with it

for the context of cindy, it won't matter how much cover bay has, as long as she has any on snapshot

nor does it matter for blocking nuke

[quick lake]

Yep yep

[finite wedge]

challenjour for the first time ever
thanks Rheax

[coarse lake]

so unless bay is in splash range, she needs no extra cover to do her 2 jobs

[quick lake]

Can probably update ur defence teams as well

[swift mango]

T2 has no burst 1 but you should still win because you would likely kill their B1 anyway and win through auto attack.

[finite wedge]

I'm trialing your teams from earlier now

[quick lake]

Let's hope they work

[finite wedge]

if I remember I'll give this a go when he attacks back, just for curiosity's sake

[tropic summit]

taunt works like this:

-the last unit to taunt, will overwrite any ongoing taunt

e.g. a noise with higher CS% than noah, will result in noah keeping taunt, as noah is the last to land a hit within the same timeframe

@valid fern

hmm interesting, guess you wanna combo dmg reducation the most with Bay then, compared to flat HP increases

[valid fern]

so it seems having noise with lower CS than noah is better for p1 feeding purposes at least.

[tropic summit]

if noise is in p1 and noah in p2, with noise on lower CS% than noah, then yes

[coarse lake]

you want both noise and noah to get taunt depending on circumstance

if one of their cs is much higher, you lose half of their comp options

if you had to pick one setup to go with, go with noah taunt

you'll basically be locked into noah noise + biscuit

[tropic summit]

post their entire lineup

[coarse lake]

you don't, you don't assume their noise noah taunt prio

it won't matter what taunt they have if you use a good counter

if your counter loses bc they had wrong unit taunt, your counter sucks

[tropic summit]

you can run double buff scar-jack 3RL, rrh also feeds heavily

alternatively double buff indom emilia on 4RL

og scarlet yes, not SBS

well you can 2RL cindy aswell

or even 3RL

post your box and we can see what you can run

noah is a counter to any nuke, but it needs the right timing

e.g. an emilia on same noah speed will bypass her

meanwhile a faster cindy/scarlet/pmaid/ein will hit before noah applies the invulnerability

yeah looks like you could aim for a fast cindy

you've gotta play around those, can't remove them directly as of yet

so you've got this as an option

alternatively this allows you to save jackal for an other team

you generally want to commit to 2 teams, if you can match their campaign team with a counter, as long as you're within 15% CP deficit, you'll be fine

a typical example is countering teams with a scar-jack that have high feed, like a modernia or a rrh

[wise horizon]

Is Noah the only counter to this?

[quick lake]

ur Blanc + Emilia should work as well ignore me pls

[coarse lake]

uh... not sure about that one chief

[quick lake]

oh damn, didnt see their blanc

[coarse lake]

you can attempt a bay biscuit,, but other than that.... assuming emilia unlinked, a 2rl buffed xmaiden is your best option

[quick lake]

My bad

[coarse lake]

Actually maiden probably still fails

They might be able to b1 before you nuke them, depends on their gen, which means you still die to indom emi nuke

Just do a noise bay biscuit jackal Bscar setup of some sort, not in that order

Noise/Bscar/jackal/bay/biscuit assuming noise link

If you run that, record and ping, I need the data

[swift mango]

If you already max out your Rapi, she is a counter to this.

Rapipi+Centi+Emi+LaplaceT/XMaiden/Anis+Jackal

Try this, record and post it here for science.

Probably not work though but you could try 😂

[swift mango]

Otherwise, mirror and replace Blanc with Centi.

[coarse lake]

Prob too much feed

[swift mango]

Not too much that make the standard 3rl Scar-Jack 2rl.

MG feeds about the same as SG in 2rl.

That 3rl Scar-Jack team barely becomes 2.5RL vs ASS team.

With enough CS on Emi it could come closer to 2RL though. But that's a big if.

[swift mango]

The reason I said it was probably not working was because if Blanc+Emi+Jackal could survive they would still burst.

But should be fine because Blanc likely triggers on Jackal anyway.

Yeah, I remember fighting this team with XMaiden before and Jackal was the one that got Blanced and Emi just got killed off while charging her nuke.

[swift mango]

Noise also heals 24.86% HP across 10 sec. And give 10.66% dmg reduction from her skill 1. She is the better team wide nuke protector when you account in the HP you lose before enemy even Nuke which makes Noise HP increase and healing much more appreciated.

[quick lake]

I think there are real tradeoffs between Noise vs Moran. I feel the problem with Noise is really Bay’s cover getting deleted before the nuke

Will probably do more testing, but from what I see, Moran really helps to reduce incoming cover dmg

Will also try out how Bay + Jackal + Scarlet interaction work. My guess is that scarlet’s s2 gets procced 2-3++ times as common

[swift mango]

I doubt it works that way, not sure though.

Scarlet+Bay+Jackal was kinda a terrible idea when I used it for my SP defense.

Maybe if you used Liter instead of RH or Emi instead of Centi, you could put Bay in P3-4

And it would be better.

[swift mango]

I build Bay+Noise with the premise Bay would lose her Cover anyway and only be a source of lesser DMG reduction with Biscuit invulnerable.

Moran should be better with Bay in no biscuit team I guess.

[quick lake]

Hmm, I think the main problem is that when Bay procs her dmg share, the cover takes 92% of incoming dmg, and its 5 nikkes basic attack worth of incoming dmg

[quick lake]

Yeah, I also agree that Moran Bay without biscuit is better

[quick lake]

Fair fair I get what u mean. Didnt think of it this way

[swift mango]

See that my SBS survived a 2+ buff (Crown s2 triggered by biscuit before the wipe) Scarlet wipe.

That even my Noise buffed Cindy couldn't.

I wanted to test 2 immuned defenders but couldn't get my Centi to half hp before Scarlet wipe...m

[quick lake]

Bay P1 is really iffy. In this example there’s no RL splash to destroy cover so its fine

[swift mango]

Cover got destroyed before Scarlet slash anyway.

So doesn't really matter.

[quick lake]

Oh yeah true

[swift mango]

2 problem with Bay vs Scarlet is that Scarlet deal so much normal attack dmg on top of Jackal making the team speed hard to gauge.

So high change your Bay won't have any cover left to catch Scarlet slash comparing to vs Cindy team.

[lunar dirge]

that's why scarlet is the goat

[quick lake]

Yeah

[swift mango]

An immune Bay is still around a 40% dmg reduction even without cover.

With only an immune Bay linked with 4 non-immune Nikke, the team would already take.

0.75*0.8 = 0.6 of a normal wipe dmg.

0.75 is how bay shared dmg works, 40-15-15-15-15 rather than 20-20-20-20-20. So a 0.25 reduction on other links.

0.8 is taking Bay dmg taken out of the shared dmg total.

---

On top of any dmg reduction modifier from the team.

[swift mango]

Anyway, I guess Moran Bay IS still the best bay team after all, especially with Moran getting immune before burst so Bay cover getting Zero shared dmg from Normal attack with everyone hitting Moran taunt... Even better if P2 also immune or already dead.

Now only I need to build my Moran to high CP to fit into Bay team....

[lunar dirge]

moran with s.anis looks fun due to 52% dmg reduction with dolls

[spiral onyx]

Moran Bay is so expensive

Doesn't give you any attack buffs

Whereas at least Moran Biscuit gives SAnis an attack buff

Wasted opportunity cost

I see it in the same light as Noah Biscuit. It works, but at what cost

[quick lake]

Hmm, I was thinking that Moran Bay reliably wins more matchups, only losing to Blanc Indom teams

[tropic summit]

nice, good job

[quick lake]

So assuming blind 5 teams, ur Moran Bay team should only lose to 1 team

I assume that CA is a blind 5v5 battle

[tropic summit]

although i wouldn't personally do it, a single buff 2RL scarlet or a 2.5RL rosanna might do the job aswell (mirror scarlet are also dependant on investiment)

with rosanna you should be able to kill scarlet and emilia, while finishing off the rest afterward
with 2.5RL single buff scarlet, you're going to potentially kill also blanc, while killing emi and possibly nearly killing their linked scarlet

oh right these 2 options also should work @wise horizon

@worthy knoll is jackal the only one that can buff xmaiden nuke? grave wouldn't matter for nuke dmg but only for post dmg right?

oh doesn't even need cube the first one actually 🤔 (clip SG and no cube, with 2 clip RL)

[worthy knoll]

Mmh? Grave can buff XMaiden

[tropic summit]

nuke and post nuke dmg? that's cool

[worthy knoll]

Only XAnne can't buff XMaiden

As for Jackal she does buff XMaiden but only her burst

[tropic summit]

gotcha, thanks

i should use my xmaiden more often

[wise horizon]

Would rumani be a better replacement for anis? For. Scarlet centi RH rumani jackal team?

[tropic summit]

yeah can run this

just beware that rumani has slightly less burst gen than anis does, so unless you've quantum on 7, you'll lose 0,5RL

you can notice from the above ^

[quick lake]

Still got jackal feed so not that bad

[gaunt sentinel]

the one that usually stole my 4 th place now placed on number 2

[tropic summit]

question is whether they'll be able to keep it

[gaunt sentinel]

i mean if i use my gold chip surely i can steal number 2 too

[tropic summit]

what's stopping you

[gaunt sentinel]

done

[tropic summit]

no rest for the poor lad

[gaunt sentinel]

wait my janky squad win against cinderela?

but my cinderela lose...

[tropic summit]

ye but cindy in p5, SBS bursted but you've hard counter with biscuit and moran

[gaunt sentinel]

ohhhh

[tropic summit]

meanwhile in your other matchup cindy didn't get to burst

[gaunt sentinel]

[tropic summit]

[gaunt sentinel]

top 2 fr fr

[tropic summit]

now grab 🍿 and sit tight

[muted stag]

damn wth

[quick lake]

Looks good. Should be able to win

[muted stag]

@quick lake i lost as appeared on top

my scar died before burst

[keen vapor]

[quick lake]

Wow that means just too much dmg

[glad meteor]

Scar unlinked?

[quick lake]

Also this

[glad meteor]

They do have lappy

[quick lake]

More likely unlinked, nice catch

Pepper and Mod should make it 2RL

[swift mango]

Lose to every 2 RL teams.

[quick lake]

There aint gonna be any 2RL teams

[glad meteor]

Then other teams are filled with clip sg

[swift mango]

See they give us 5 clip RL or equal effective Regen in one year after CA became a thing.

[quick lake]

2027 CA

[glad meteor]

Imagine

So far the team building
Is
B1 buffer
B2 counter tech/buffer
B3 DPS
Battery
Flex

Would be interesting if we had more interesting batteries

[quick lake]

I think too many batteries would break arena. 5 2RL teams is just broken game mode

Even 3x 2RL teams is too much

[glad meteor]

2RL teams are usually weaker. Cindy too much power

[swift mango]

Just need to make anti meta Nikke that counter fast team.

Like Yu-Gi-Oh never though of that ideas

[glad meteor]

So far we have noise as anti 2RL, since 2RL nukes are weaker unless there’s feed

[swift mango]

That's not even close to what a counter is.

[glad meteor]

[swift mango]

Something like a RL unit that make enemies team deal 0 dmg for 1.5 second after she hits her shot twice is what I called 2rl counter.

[glad meteor]

That’s just overpowered

At that point 2RL nukes are just irrelevant

[quick lake]

Yeah, doubt we’ll see any more batteries. At most is xMaiden variety

[swift mango]

Just need enough demerit. Like your team deal zero dmg as well. Or she ded right afterwards or both.

[glad meteor]

Imagining shift up makes interesting pvp units.

I don’t have the resources anyway

[swift mango]

Current Yu-Gi-Oh is basically both player making 10+ move during first player turn 1. That's how a speed power creep game turned into at the end.

[quick lake]

Yeah i’m broke too

[swift mango]

So first power creep in this game is 2rl. Then counter 2rl. Then empty effect without burst at 2rl. Then Effect at 1rl then 0rl. Then countering each others at 0RL.

The ultimate powercreep path for this game.

☠️

[keen vapor]

We need more stall teams :frog sip:

[swift mango]

Stall teams would be possible with them printing out enough counters units so nothing could kill you before the 4th RL shot I guess.

I remember early Yu-Gi-Oh also about "who could bring out the big stick first then who could tank it" like this game "who could burst first". Now it's all about countering each other so they won't be able to make a move or you would 100% lose.

[quick lake]

Probably B1 unit which giga buffs defence. Then Ein will see more use as a counter

[rustic sandal]

How do I beat that

[quick lake]

Wow Rapunzel Bay Quiry

[raven plover]

bay p1

[swift mango]

T2, a strong 3rl wipe like Scar+Blanc+RH+Centi+Jackal

T3, About anything would beat it.

T1, maybe you could just ignore. Or do a 2rl wipe.

[rustic sandal]

Yeah t3 is not the problem....

[swift mango]

Also, at your level your auto team could be 550k+ and could just normal attack their teams.

[rustic sandal]

Should I try that

[swift mango]

Defending on your CP ofc.

[lunar dirge]

you killed sbs with yuour s.anis

[rustic sandal]

I see, Thanks

[eternal finch]

best counter against this team?

[keen vapor]

That doesn't works?

Guess is 2RL....

Unless... 2.5....

[eternal finch]

It goes 50-50 currently

Anis gets destroyed sometimes

[keen vapor]

Try Noise/Noah/SBS

[loud sonnet]

[muted stag]

any suggestions then

or shd i hit team 2 instead?

[quick lake]

Oh yeah, for this team, should double check that Scarlet atk higher than RH or Emilia

Possibly scarlet did not get linked with jackal, and thus died due to being unprotected

[versed leaf]

Wtf

[rose tendon]

How can i beat him

Any suggestion like another team, character,... ?

[quick lake]

2RL scarlet would be safest
So something along:

[quick lake]

Yeah, existing bug. No fixed solution. Just hit rookie/go campaign/restart/ and come back and try

[rose tendon]

Can i use another character cuz my scarlet has no gear

[quick lake]

@tropic summit Hmm I realised SR15 boosts cover max HP by 30%. Combined with Bay s3 gives additional 18% castor's HP as cover max HP. Translate to roughly ~1.38x attacker HP everything taken into account

[quick lake]

can send ur kit

[quick lake]

Otherwise just skip this team

[rose tendon]

I have just got her for a few days

[quick lake]

Otherwise Rosanna nuke if u have her invested

Would recommend just skipping this team and beating the other 2

[tropic summit]

Yeah, together with reduced dmg, should empower bay quite a bit

[quick lake]

Her cover will be much more tanky

Seems like alot of investment for Bay to simply work.. somewhat reliably

[quick lake]

Otherwise would probably be Noah/Bay + SAnis to counter

[tropic summit]

Doesnt help the fact shes strictly pvp unit

[quick lake]

Yeah

Kinda like Nero

Niche

With that SR15 doll, maybe Drake or Milk might be better

Oh yeah. Im pretty sure that Moran + Bay without Biscuit is able to tank/win Cindy opponent

I see u typing Rakuen

[lone sequoia]

miranda+rapi

[quick lake]

Hmmm possible. Assuming not against Noah

[covert lintel]

something like caster's thing won't get much benefit unless you have core+3 above since the calc is based on base stat

[keen vapor]

Yet, we got no treasures for this raid

[quick lake]

The calc assumes 0LB i think (Need to double check my data)

But yeah, having more core definitely helps. Defender having more HP also boosts cover's HP a lil bit more too

[keen vapor]

But cover HP is level related

[quick lake]

Yeah, got some basic data. But i think these are 0LB data. I also dk whether cover HP scales with more dupes

@keen vapor know any existing resource which have the numbers?

[keen vapor]

Maybe Keripo or Eon

[lone sequoia]

i think it was a set value depending in sync

[keen vapor]

Nesso

Nesso confirming my words

[quick lake]

I still dk how dupes affect the raw numbers

only recently started theorycrafting

[covert lintel]

what i'm talking about is skill with wording "caster's hp/atk/def"

[lone sequoia]

i think" = i don't know what i'm talking about

[covert lintel]

so if her cover is based on her hp, then u need to at least have many core first on her so to not wasted your investment

[keen vapor]

If

[lone sequoia]

yep, bay base+dupes+puppet stats

i forgot about bay lv10 burst....

[quick lake]

Almost maxed Bay

[covert lintel]

[quick lake]

Have u been using Moran + Bay

[lone sequoia]

yes and no

i don't change teams in my main, so people in my bracket can't see "good" teams and in my alt i use teams that need dupes

noise bay or quiry bay

i think moran go more times with blanc or nero than bay

[quick lake]

What kinds of team uses Moran Blanc?

[lone sequoia]

slow teams that can tank nukes+biscuit

[quick lake]

Hmmm i see i see

Will go think about it more. Never thought of using Moran with Blanc

[umbral crown]

Hola amigos

[quick lake]

I assume Moran Nero is a similar slow stall team?

[umbral crown]

Si

[quick lake]

Havent seen/cooked with enough stall teams

[umbral crown]

Just not against scar jac

[quick lake]

I would think Noise + Cindy would be able to win stall comps?

[umbral crown]

Most likely

[quick lake]

Hmmm back to cooking

[umbral crown]

But nero needs investment

[quick lake]

I got no quiry so cant test anything

[lone sequoia]

depends in how you see the pvp, stall teams are strong in cp advantage the same with full damage teams but these are weaker against rosanna comps

stall teams=full damage comps

but you have teams that are a bit of both, have damage and can tank

you need a win condition for stall teams or is hard to win the sustain/heals fight without rapu

[quick lake]

Hmmm yeah. Probably need Rapu

[lone sequoia]

the new problem for stalls teams is rapi

[quick lake]

Hmm idk. To me stall teams seem a little bit weak to me? They're generally slower, so they easily lose to faster scar-jack or Noise+Cindy. (Talking from a defence perspective)

[lone sequoia]

they are too expensive

that is the problem

[covert lintel]

stall team with SW:inno

[lone sequoia]

and you can get similar results with other teams that are easier to build and scare more people to try to fight against them

[quick lake]

Expensive in the sense that they need alot of batteries + buffers i.e. key units?

[lone sequoia]

mats+ dupes+ sync( same sync tier/lvl) and good OLs

[quick lake]

Ahh okay, u were referring to stall teams being expensive got it

[lone sequoia]

like if you need more def in x unit than y unit to target the skill of a random unit in the case someone use that comp or more cs to time your burst better at the end of noah burst is they fight you with that team

but more dupes is the important thing

just add more hp to tank some nukes

that is what happen with cindy and xmaiden they are b3 dps defenders

[quick lake]

That is true...

[ashen ocean]

seems like a good first roll for my Laplace ngl

[quick lake]

Okay, Im starting to see the appeal of stall teams. And yeah, very dupe heavy team

[quick lake]

No charge speed

But still great

[lone sequoia]

yep, just focus in elemental damage for pvp

[umbral crown]

Investment

[ashen ocean]

i never get charge speed when i want it, it's kinda pissing me off at that point

[umbral crown]

also.max skill the keys ones

[quick lake]

Double lock and reroll

[quick lake]

Yeahhh, its like 3 Rosannas worth of investments in the team

[ashen ocean]

[umbral crown]

A bit more

Also dolls

[covert lintel]

keep it up until u got cs

[umbral crown]

No

[quick lake]

Monster laplace in the making

[umbral crown]

Not now

Let him rest

[quick lake]

Thanks for sharing! Appreciate the insights

[umbral crown]

He needs more rockas

[covert lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/credit-card-meme-aggressive-gif-26375097

[umbral crown]

[lone sequoia]

30%atk rosanna, 40 or +50%? i think just cs in most of the RLs is good but... SR15 is something critical if you don't use biscuit

[umbral crown]

Over 40 is recommended

30 practically does not do much but my rosanna is still lb1

Kinda bricked

[quick lake]

All my wishlist units are all pvp units but they still not coming home

[umbral crown]

She has max doll, max skill, 40 atk but bricked by dupes

[lone sequoia]

you still need S2 procs against some teams for rosanna to oneshot units with SR puppet

[umbral crown]

Yes

The normal way rosanna can not kill SBS or RH with max doll

[quick lake]

Yeah

[umbral crown]

Happens to me

[quick lake]

Rosanna Mari can work though

[covert lintel]

my rosanna only 11%

[quick lake]

Rosanna Mari Quiry would try this team if I had quiry

[umbral crown]

Lines issues, get 40 like me

[lone sequoia]

+52 i think+cs+crit

[quick lake]

cs on rosanna?

[umbral crown]

Nope

[quick lake]

ohh okay, the remaining stats

[lone sequoia]

yep, 4 lines

[quick lake]

My rosanna costed ~50 rocks to get to 43% atk

Still many empty lines here and there

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

An older team of mine used Moran blanc rh flex flex, Moran would get taunt and indom, while RH would B3. Wouldn't work well on biscuit + Def teams and buffed nukers tho

[quick lake]

In other news, I got Bay to 17% cs today, yay

Now needa work on biscuit

[lone sequoia]

to me the problem with bay is the unit that take damage

if you have team shared damage and the p1 is weak element you can't tank

[umbral crown]

[quick lake]

Yeah, that is true. Didnt think about the weak ele part

[lone sequoia]

easier with biscuit in the team or more dupes+15 in the p1/taunt unit but still a dupes+OL match up

[quick lake]

Yeah.. Bay still a little flawed

Time to SR15 my Moran soon

[umbral crown]

Gogo

Do not be like echo

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-ill-uh-see-you-around-see-you-around-see-you-later-bye-gif-25592129

[tropic summit]

@keen vapor

you're an example of NOT to follow

[tropic summit]

bay treasure?

[quick lake]

Now that’s copium

[tropic summit]

oh we've a survey, i might aswell ask for a re;zero rerun for all emilia non-havers

[shell hazel]

I asked for better rapi outfit

I think they'll take that as a gacha skin $60 pls 😄

[lucid ivy]

Hey yall I'd like some help for my arena and SP arena comps. This is my roster and my current team for reg and SP arenas

[tropic summit]

uh fascinating T2... but T1 and T3 gonna need a bit of a review 🤔

T2 is meme material, minus the feed

gonna take a look

[tropic summit]

although, evangelion and synch lvl 250... you took a break or so?

[shell hazel]

watches Railtracer cook

[tropic summit]

scarlet grave liter noir jackal
blanc sbs rh biscuit centi
xmaiden bsoda naga rrh rumani

Cubes:

quantum on jackal, centi, rumani
vigor on blanc, biscuit, naga
any other nikke run highest available cube

Notes:
consider investing **noise **and cindy, we can upgrade a team
wishlist **noah **and rapunzel, they enable further upgrades on teams and add sustain/stalling

[shell hazel]

speaking of I almost OL my scarlet with 1 piece of gear, it's slow going 😄

but I think she'll beat Grave atk then

[lucid ivy]

No im just extremely casual. I just play on auto for most content, and level up the units I like

I havent REALLY paid attention to the meta

I've been playing daily since I started in may

but I wanna push better since apparently im high enough level that I should be doing better

[lucid ivy]

what should my main arena team be in this case then?

[shell hazel]

problem is... gaps brick your pvp some

you get matched with people who keep playing and levelling up etc, if you slow down your pvp opponents don't and you can't really catch up easily

where are you in sp-arena now?

[lucid ivy]

Gold 1

I usually end the season wherever you get up 800 crystals

not sure the rank. I bounce between gold 1 and whatever is above gold 1

also is Xmaiden winter maiden?

[shell hazel]

yes

like xlud is christmas ludmilla

[lucid ivy]

ok ty!

[shell hazel]

wdym main arena team? it's 3 teams so there isn't a main as such

you can position them however

[lucid ivy]

regular arena is one team

[shell hazel]

if you mean rookie arena then I think the comp could look different

[lucid ivy]

yes

what should my comp be for rookie arena atm

[shell hazel]

in sp-arena you need to spread the meta units out some

in rookie you can focus one team, I'll let someone else help there as I don't know much either 😄

that does matter a lot less (no gems etc)

[lucid ivy]

ok I appreciate it though!

ah ok

[shell hazel]

I was mainly establishing that it was rookie arena so someone with more knowledge can cook up a team

think most important thing there is you can win most of your attacks

[lucid ivy]

i do remember getting 1200 crystals once from SP arena

[shell hazel]

you want the currency for furnace

[lucid ivy]

so I must have placed decently high at least once

[shell hazel]

3000 is top 1-3

2700 4-6 etc

[lucid ivy]

ah ok ty!

[shell hazel]

depends on how strong your opponents are but top 30 is a good goal, and if not I think you aim somewhere in top 100 if you can

top 90 gets you 1200

top 30 is 2/3rd of the absolute max and is a good goal if achievable for way less hassle 😄

I'm 2nd (Tav - bonus ducks if you can guess where the name is from) and I'm just chilling hoping no one spots me 😄

[brazen ledge]

you don't aim for top 100

top 100 is shit

[shell hazel]

top 1?

[brazen ledge]

ye

[shell hazel]

ha

[brazen ledge]

always aim for the top !!

[shell hazel]

nah man

[brazen ledge]

(jk)

[shell hazel]

2/3 is good - if I can chill there I will 😄

[brazen ledge]

as a f2p i just can't compete

[shell hazel]

I'm not f2p but not whale either

[brazen ledge]

but challenger 10/9 is doable

[shell hazel]

it depends on your gaps, if you do stuff leisurely the players doing more will overtake you and you can never catch up properly in pvp then

[tropic summit]

oh you mean rookie, you could run this

scarlet centi rh rumani jackal

sacrifice 1 buff to hit 2RL (it's actually 2.5RL but with feed you'll 2RL, once you unlock quantum 7 it's natural 2RL)

[shell hazel]

is Rumani key for this 2.5RL? I still have her on my wishlist

but my last 120 ordinary pulls were garbage

I'll keep hoping for Rumani and Noah 🙂

[tropic summit]

hmm not necessarely, there are a few options, anis for example has slightly higher burst than rumani and is still a clip RL

the downside of this is that most anis are lower on CP, so you'll take a bit of a hit there (due to being SR unit and meaningless for pve)

those who've emilia have also an alternate option

[shell hazel]

what do you think would be my best rookie arena def?

[tropic summit]

else, you could have a centi and jackal with 17% CS OL, that would increase to 2.5RL

[shell hazel]

running this atm

[tropic summit]

you can upgrade it to this

[shell hazel]

CP is an issue on some of the units so I'm going to OL Scarlet/Centi/Jackal some if I can

my Cindy is really hurting for CP as well (I know she's decent but mine is 40K cp and I've seen some with 60K CP in my arena battles)

poor luck on OL gear for her so far

she is 2/4 OL gear and I'm trying to get the last 2 parts but it's not playing ball 😄

[tropic summit]

alternatively these 2, you might gain a bit on CP

[shell hazel]

my Blanc is horrid still

may as well be naked

[tropic summit]

hmm

then 3RL cindy i guess

we can pad it pretty high with RH and alice

[shell hazel]

super low 😄

[tropic summit]

your CP for this is probably the highest:

[tropic summit]

yeah could go with that

[shell hazel]

I'll try that thanks 🙂

[tropic summit]

we could optimize the burst by giving a B1 RH 🤔

worse case scenario centi will die and RH will cast B2 instead

[shell hazel]

happy to mess about and try

same team diff layout

[keen vapor]

My first rival....

[glad meteor]

🐳

[shell hazel]

we try this one and see, I'll update with defence outcomes 😉

should I use same on attack or something else in general?

[tropic summit]

for rookie? you might want to adapt based on the opponents you facing

anything that is running 3RL noah, you could attempt with your 2RL cindy

anything that is 3RL and has feed (MGs, SMGs, SGs) but without noah, you could try with scar-jackal team

or again with 2RL cindy

[shell hazel]

think 2RL cindy was too low cp?

I'm working on em some

[tropic summit]

yeah you've to keep CP in mind for those

[shell hazel]

130K is rough

[tropic summit]

else 3RL cindy if CP is not matched

or at least 15% deficit

[shell hazel]

see if I can get scar a bit better gear wise

and the other common units

[lucid ivy]

Thank you i'll give this team a shot!

[eternal finch]

That worked! 5/5

[shut seal]

Looking at changing up Special Arena teams. Can I get some feedback on:

1: Scarlet-Rosanna-XAnne-Centi-Jackal
2: Noise-Noah-Cindy- Rapunzel-Emilia
3: Moran-Blanc-SAnis-Biscuit-Ein

Available: SBS, Red Hood, Noir, Treasure Laplace, XMaiden

[finite wedge]

any recommendations for facing these teams? my box is up here: #pvp-arena message

[tropic summit]

hmm 3rd team might be the one that could use a bit of improvement

rest is overall decent

T3 is extremely slow, even with biscuit and moran stalling 🤔

since T3 also doesn't involve revive, what will happen is a free scar jackal that will kill and leave only moran and blanc alive, who will die to post nuke

would rather turn that team in either a s.anis or SBS indom

[tropic summit]

post your box and let's see what can be done for your T3

[umbral belfry]

first time as 1st

[tropic summit]

i'd go with these, check CP before running and ensure you're at most 14% deficit (your teams are on the left side)

also:

resil on s.anis, s.anis must have lvl 9 burst skill
vigor on biscuit, rapu, noise, blanc
temperance on noah
quantum on jackal and emi

[shut seal]

Thanks. I’m always trying to force Moran into a team since Keripo’s guide ranks her high and says to put her with Biscuit, but then it says SAnis and Biscuit should stick together too

[tropic summit]

yes, but not at the cost of having a very slow burst unfortunately, else it could be easily countered

gonna take a look let's see

[finite wedge]

I've only got 3 slots on my vigor cube, is there an alternative for one of those units?

also, want me to record?

[tropic summit]

scarlet xanne rh noir jackal
naga centi cind laplace+ noise
noah biscuit rapu s.anis emilia

requirements:

centi needs quantum (any lvl)
resil and lvl9 burst skill on s.anis

cubes:

quantum on jackal, centi
vigor on biscuit, rapu, noise, xanne
resil on s.anis
temperance on noah
anyone else run highest available cube

notes:

you actually have more options for variation on teams, especially with a built rosanna and unused blanc
keep these teams for 24h-48h, if still losing we can change them around a bit adding indom, rosanna and moran

notes2: wishlist/build rumani aswell, additional battery for enabling 2.5RL teams

[shut seal]

https://tenor.com/view/cheers-dwight-the-general-manfredi-sylvester-stallone-tulsa-king-s1e6-gif-27284894

[tropic summit]

yes record (in case they're running funny OL's), as for vigor the one who needs it less is blanc, can leave her out

[finite wedge]

winner! let me get the recording

[tropic summit]

nice, looks like your s.anis carried her weight

[finite wedge]

she did indeed

that one was close

[tropic summit]

yeah i was the most skeptical on that one as it depended on investiment

cind team probably was a breeze

[finite wedge]

lot of lag in this one weirdly enough

[tropic summit]

oh ok, s.anis side went even better than i expected actually

looks good, opponent will want to switch biscuit over to their noah team, as their noah is really weak (she died within 3RL)

[finite wedge]

my s.anis' OL lines are garbage

[tropic summit]

you melted them regardless

[finite wedge]

behold

but she does have that 7/7/9

[tropic summit]

liar, those are 3 atk% OLs

way more than enough on pvp, but yeah elem. atk could be better
ensure you never get ammo+ on her

[finite wedge]

I did not know that about pvp, I see

[wise horizon]

Doable?

[finite wedge]

that makes sense though since elem adv isn't a thing at all in pvp right?

[tropic summit]

it does impact on weak element but not on resist element, e.g. a laplace will hit hard on eletric nikke, but she won't resist against eletric, it stays neutral

[tropic summit]

looks like you can aim for CP gap on enemy T3 and focus on enemy T1

their T2 is the only half decent team

[tropic summit]

check CP for your matchup against their T3 (scarlet mirror), if you're above 15% deficit in advantage, you'll win very easily

if you wanted to min/max, your T1 could be a cindy nuke on 3RL instead of a riskier emi indom against a noise+rapu

although you should probably still ICBM them succesfully 🤔

[wise horizon]

Blanc centi jackal rumani Cinderella as an example?

[loud sonnet]

I am now concern

[vapid lake]

hi concern

[tropic summit]

sorry was maldin' a campaign stage

yeah correct, although keep in mind you using jackal on T3

you can use blanc centi cind anis and a B1 (rouge, pepper, liter anything on high CP)

example

noise and liter both can buff cindy nuke, so whoever is higher on CP, you need at least 2 clip RLs to hit 3RL threshold (anis and centi)

blanc will also buff and debuff, so that's extra value if she makes it alive to B2 on 3RL

[whole pawn]

@tropic summit @fathom rock @keen vapor remember yesterday when I was chal 10? I m demoted to d3 I didn't try pvp this reset yet

[tropic summit]

in a sense, that's good, more fun with more selection of opponents

[whole pawn]

I will go to bed rn, can't do my dailies, can you help me tomorrow

[wise horizon]

@tropic summit

Like this?

[signal hull]

Is Rosanna still good in pvp? Just got her and looking at her skill 2... Instant 20% (skill lvl1) burst gauge fill if someone in the team dies? Is it truly works like this?

[tropic summit]

sure just post here when you going at it

[tropic summit]

yes, called sacc, it still works and is still used, although rosanna needs heavy investiment

dolls have nerfed her a bit, but she still has usage

[tropic summit]

hmm looks good, ensure you've quantum on jackal and rumani, run

[signal hull]

I've been thinking to slap her in my third "weak" team, put some very squishy dps in leftmost spot, so she gets killed, Rosanna fills the burst and then... Idk... Some Cindy or w/e bursts faster than enemy team. Valid?

[tropic summit]

that's actually how it works with sacc, 1 squshy unit that gets killed within 2RL timeframe, leads to you getting either 2RL or 2.5RL burst gen tier

[signal hull]

happy self-satisfied noises

[tropic summit]

be mindful of your CP tho, if you get CP gapped it's pointless

[wise horizon]

Thanks!

[whole pawn]

wrong sticker

[tropic summit]

worked? no problem

[wanton island]

can anyone help me improve my arena teams? i feel like crown not being utilized is a mistake... i trust your experience.

here are my current teams:

these are my nikkes...

[tropic summit]

FYI

i'd personally change at the very least T1, T2 is sort of ok, T3 could use improvement

gonna take a look

[wanton island]

wow. thats a cool spread sheet. is it available online?

[tropic summit]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11KWYeyvef91A-vfFuqglJJ8-OhR90TcKFVpJ6Ny_5h4/edit?gid=1990278246#gid=1990278246

[tropic summit]

as i don't see them, just to confirm, you do not have the following:

cinderella, emilia, noah, rumani

correct?

[wanton island]

i do have noise. not the others

[tropic summit]

alright thanks

[wanton island]

sorry. ive only been playing for 6 weeks or so

[umbral crown]

[wanton island]

hiya rosy

[tropic summit]

scarlet grave rh sugar jackal
xmaiden biscuit anis pepper tia
blanc sbs rapu drake centi

cubes (where available):

quantum on jackal, centi, anis
vigor on blanc, biscuit, rapu
anyone else run highest available lvl cube

notes:

wishlist rumani, noah, cind, can get teams upgraded once these are found

[wanton island]

you are my savior...and you back it up with stats too

damn. youre awesome

[tropic summit]

p.s. you won't get to fit crown anywhere as you unfortunately lack a bit more batteries, maybe with a noah stall team we could tho, just hit this chat again by then

[wanton island]

i can get batteries and hit sectors. ive just been lazy in that department

[tropic summit]

as for batteries i mean nikke like rumani or noah (noah doubles down as an anti nuke and defender)

[wanton island]

ooohhhh

[shell hazel]

Only my Railguntracer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBDBJP9488w

[wanton island]

thanks for the explanation.

[shell hazel]

I haven't seen much of it but that move is damn cool 😄

she fires a coin right?

[tropic summit]

fairly old anime by now, yeah

[shell hazel]

the railgun and the sister series to it confused the hell out of me in terms of what to watch 😄

it was more confusing than Monogatari

[thin perch]

Hard counter to this team?

[shell hazel]

does pvp OG scarlet want a better overload than this for now?

[tropic summit]

for OG scarlet in pvp you want atk% lines mostly, elem. dmg will work only on elemental weak nikke, and water code nikke that happen to be meta in pvp are a bit limited

[shell hazel]

I can throw a couple of rocks at re-rolling

but not many, don't have loads

[tropic summit]

single buff 3RL scarlet, you'll want a 3RL noah team, either cindy or s.anis or emilia can take care of them

[umbral crown]

Hai

[shell hazel]

might just stick on this as it's 3 lines/cp padding for now

[umbral crown]

Looks like an interesting anime

[tropic summit]

it's uh a mix of comedy, action and daily life while staying scifi, also science meets magic

[umbral crown]

[shell hazel]

problem is it's railgun and index and both sort of crossover eachother eachover

[tropic summit]

updated, former T2 was a bit riskier compared to this

run any of the above

(enemy team is on the right)

[vapid lake]

any pvp bros here actually taking emilia to solo raid

the fact that A2 is making a comeback this raid means anything with big deek splash damage is good

[grizzled bone]

have you seen people using Emilia in SR? it makes more sense for A2 in this case because Windernia consistently respawns parts

[umbral crown]

Imagine not using emi in pve

[tropic summit]

imagine having emilia

[swift mango]

I have always bringing Emi to SR because no enough built units.

[copper creek]

unless you have a stacked emi with 4atk? no

[tropic summit]

naga centi cind b.soda noise
scarlet blanc rh noir jackal
noah biscuit rapu sbs xmaiden

cubes:

quantum on jackal, centi
vigor on blanc, biscuit, rapu, noise
temperance on noah
anyone else run highest available lvl cube (resil/bastion)

notes:

wishlist/build rumani for promoting a team to 2.5RL

[swift mango]

What th is this team lol...

[tropic summit]

rumani would open variations for both attack and defense teams, a few examples:

[lone sequoia]

rouge/bsoda/noir

[vapid lake]

simplest way is to just be faster than them with a 2RL noah team

probably cindy team

[glad meteor]

I did

[raven plover]

you guys have 4 atk emi

[keen vapor]

I have 2 attack Emi

[raven plover]

my emi no atk at all

[keen vapor]

oh

[tropic zephyr]

thanks

[raven plover]

might try to get it after Im done with rapipi bad lines

[umbral crown]

Your world would change

[umbral crown]

Imagine just using emi for that

[umbral crown]

[uncut portal]

Anyone have an idea to defeat this team?

[keen vapor]

Noah biscuit

[tropic summit]

looks like a 2RL SBS, hard counter by either Sakura or a taunter + biscuit

[keen vapor]

Can Moran get 2 RL speed?

[tropic summit]

eh interesting, let's see

[vapid lake]

moran biscut emilia + clip RL

[grizzled bone]

🧱

[raven plover]

[vapid lake]

then can use noah +remaining clip RLs for another team

[raven plover]

the price I have to pay to chase CS

[grizzled bone]

Yeah CS matters more anyway for Emi

[tropic summit]

uh would these 2 work by delaying enough against jackal linked and noise sustained SBS?

[keen vapor]

~~why not Rumani ~~

[tropic summit]

as for your 2RL moran

[keen vapor]

she actually buffs damage

[keen vapor]

My dreams of Ice maiden Rapunzel are gone

[tropic summit]

those are not enough for 2RL with moran and biscuit together

[grizzled bone]

What are you cooking over there? 🤔

[coarse lake]

That team should be easy to beat

[tropic summit]

was wondering if 2RL sbs and s.anis variations with biscuit noah stall can work against SBS with jackal and noise

or if you'd just rather go ICBM or usual 3RL stall

[coarse lake]

Indom or Noah biscuit your dps and you win

[tropic summit]

oh alrighty

[muted stag]

Eh RH attk is higher

[quick lake]

So need check whether scarlet atk higher than Emilia, including atk OL%. Need to manually math

[muted stag]

Scarlet has higher attk than Emilia

But rh has higher than scar

[swift mango]

Barely. Not in any meaningful way though.

Maybe 2nd team could be used to beat 2RL Scarlet

[quick lake]

Hmm then its probably just the cp penalty, and scar link getting too much dmg

[keen vapor]

[muted stag]

Then shd I fight the priv team

[muted stag]

.

[quick lake]

Hm yeah, u ca give it a try. Might still die cause penalty is higer there

[swift mango]

You are fighting at 20% deficit here... That's a nice 30% stat loss you got there.

[keen vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1026322546934698004.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=whyyysnapped

[swift mango]

If you fight privaty team it would be 25%+ deficit or 50% stat loss, even more impossible.

[quick lake]

Weirdly his linked scar cant survive opponent's T1

[swift mango]

He basically activated Blanc debuff on his team and Moran on his opponent team at the start of battle.

No need to burst

[quick lake]

Probably skip this enemy

Unless u really wanna cook

Can try Rumani (or Moran) Blanc RH Emi Jackal possibly for T1 if u really wanna try @muted stag
Possibly Rumani still gets mowed down. Moran will be tankier, but it depends if u have her built/high enough CP as well

[swift mango]

How many CP you get if you replace XAnne with your highest CP unit in your box?

If it was 982k+ then you could use it to hit Privaty team. If 923k+ then could hit Mordenia team.

[quick lake]

If RH Scar not enough CP, likely other team combinations also not enough CP

Maybe Scar Crown RH Centi Jackal

[swift mango]

XAnne would not be highest CP in anybody's box

An Improvement of 50k power by replacing XAnne with his Highest CP at his level should be normal

Enough to beat Modernia team

[quick lake]

Hmm yeah, should work

[keen vapor]

Hero finally broke through my defense

I ain't getting top 3 this shuffle

[tropic summit]

@keen vapor your bracket sounds like pain

[swift mango]

Sometime it's better to just give up

[tropic summit]

padded to the heavens and beyond

73 levels ahead even

[swift mango]

74*. It was 75 2 days ago but still better than now that he got to x1 level.

[keen vapor]

It drastically improved from before, but I can't say that in front of blood

[tropic summit]

yeah, wouldn't want to let @swift mango know that

[swift mango]

I was tired these last 2 days when no one was hitting me and... missed the change to try hitting him.

[tropic summit]

then again it was probably a matter of time, if they keep spending, at some point you can't catch up anymore

[swift mango]

Time to open your boxes to get to c3.

[keen vapor]

I tried Bay I can't build a better defense

[swift mango]

Get a loan to whale and you will have better def

Like this def.

#pvp-arena message

[tropic summit]

they put rapunzel in p1 at least, could've been worse

[normal skiff]

if i just returned to the game after like months and this is my arena group will it ever change so that my level matches others?

[tropic summit]

i've bad news for you sir

you'll be matchmade with other accounts that are near your creation date, every single time

[muted stag]

Alice makes it 923k

[normal skiff]

oh so

yikes

will they change that in the future?

[swift mango]

That's good. But would Scarlet still be linked?

[tropic summit]

unlikely, has been like that since release and no rumors on a merge/balancing based on breaks or people who went inactive

[normal skiff]

oh well it's fine right? what do I lose from sucking in arena

[muted stag]

Cause redhood has highest attack so idk

[swift mango]

Who would be the 2 linked in your team? Could check in Training ground

[muted stag]

Nvm Alice has higher attack still

[tropic summit]

hmm depending on whether you keep up or not with arena, you can earn between 3.0k gems per 15 days to 2.0k gems (dia1), anything lower slowly gets less:

[muted stag]

I can replace with rapu

910k

[swift mango]

Not enough I guess.

[normal skiff]

🥲

how about special arena I just unlocked that

[tropic summit]

same thing, it's based on brackets but still on account creation date

[normal skiff]

ah so basically I shouldny worry about arena

[swift mango]

Maybe you could try bursting with Alice and hope she killed off Pepper before they could burst. Kind hard though.

[tropic summit]

if you stick on your bricked account, you'd best ignore rankings/pvp and possibly SR for a long while

considering your low synch level, you could potentially make a new account and start from scratch, up to you

[swift mango]

Who is your strongest B2? Crown? How much CP would that be?

[normal skiff]

maybe cuz I did make a new account but remembered I had this one and I got pretty lucky with red hood and rh rapi

sorry to bother you @tropic summit but if this is the new account should I spend gems on trying to get rh rapi?

[tropic summit]

you just started and rolled on this one, or it was an old account laying around? if fresh account, RRH is a meta nikke for pve and campaign, so you'd benefit getting her

[normal skiff]

fresh

[tropic summit]

oke, then sure, it's worth

[normal skiff]

bet thank you

[swift mango]

Do your old Account have old Collab units like Makima or 2B?

[normal skiff]

lol nope i think i tried for makima but didnt so I quit or something

[swift mango]

A brick level 1 account with Makima should worth 10$ now at least.

[dreamy zenith]

how good is maiden in arena? worth investing? also how can I counter Noah? she's so annoying

[swift mango]

Maiden is just a burst gen. If you like her you could invested in her to double at Elysion tower climbing

You counter Noah by burst faster than her. Kill her before burst. Or just tank the burst 3 that go along with her.

[umbral crown]

too much issues

[dreamy zenith]

actually I do need to start investing in some Elysioners, but I thought she could be useful in arena as well, her skills seems sort of strong, taking into account shotguns hit at full value there

[dreamy zenith]

just as I thought Noah is bs lol, imma avoid her for now until I get her I guess, thanks

[swift mango]

Scar-Jackal combo making SG off meta in arena. Maiden is still pretty strong but she got underwhelmed because of that. She need to go with Jackal as well to stack her buff so just a cope Scarlet if you choice to b3 with her.

Christmas Maiden having similar burst gen to original and not feed Jackal make her a superior option for burst Regen unit most the time.

[dreamy zenith]

alright Imma try those comps, I mainly need them for special arena, I can manage to climb to challenger positions by winning two matches but my third squad is always lacking, got one copy of winter Maiden though

[finite wedge]

I return once more to ask for thoughts on attackers

[gaunt sentinel]

it was back to normal

[muted stag]

Can’t RH b2?

[muted stag]

903k

[keen vapor]

That burst isn't good so...

Is only used on very specific circumstances

[grizzled bone]

RH can B2 but it's not something you usually want in PvP

[grizzled bone]

that T3 is kinda clever. Without Scar-Jack it would have been fine to use ASS here but she will feed and die to Scarlet S2.
T1 is obvious to use Scarlet because of ARs/MGs but from eyeballing it, that team doesn't look like it would burst so use whatever.
T2 you could probably use ASS with Blanc indom.

[fathom rock]

Just repeat this everyday
Easy way to get 2k gems

[finite wedge]

something like this for his T1 and T2?

[grizzled bone]

your T2 is too slow, their team is 3RL speed.
T1 looks fine

[swift mango]

I was looking for a way to have your Scarlet linked

[grizzled bone]

you don't need as much speed on T1 since their team is so slow and some of those units will die from your Scarlet's S2.
Like you probably don't even need Noah on that team tbh and could probably just put her on T2 to block Cindy's nuke

[finite wedge]

I'm finally learning to use the burst gen calculator so I'm a bit slow replying. do you think my original T3 vs his T2 then?
noah (level 3 quantum)/biscuit/rapunzel/anis:ss/laplace(treasure)?

or do I really want blanc's indom?

[grizzled bone]

your original T3 looks like the speed is good

are you on mobile?

[finite wedge]

desktop, so I can record if you'd like

[grizzled bone]

i was just going to link you to this https://nikke-deck.web.app/ if you were on mobile. I think it's more mobile friendly than the google sheets

[finite wedge]

oh nice

sheets is terrible on mobile yeah

I like that site

[grizzled bone]

Blanc's indom would help you basically outstall Cindy's nuke assuming that ASS was the indom target but the rest of your team dies.

Noah would block it partially/completely

[finite wedge]

vs noah just blocking the whole thing

I see

here we go

[grizzled bone]

your Laplace is treasured right?

[finite wedge]

yep! it worked!

[grizzled bone]

oh no... I've yapped enough to become gold

[vapid lake]

This onyx guy also changed color today

[finite wedge]

I did

laplus has been hard carrying me in missilis tower

thanks a bunch Caishen

[vapid lake]

im unironically using laplace this raid she's actually pretty good

[grizzled bone]

what team?

[vapid lake]

whatever team people are putting rh on because i dont have rh

[finite wedge]

where is this particular calc from? I don't see it in Kosmiu's pvp burst gen sheet. or is it proprietary?

[vapid lake]

pins

[finite wedge]

is it gatrix's?

ah it is, thank you

[grizzled bone]

yep it's Gatrix's

Kosmiu's is more simplified

i like https://nikke-deck.web.app/ for mobile users. You also don't have to keep making copies for when there are updates

let me know what you guys think of it and if I should include it in the resources. Maybe send a reaction to this message so I get an idea

[finite wedge]

how should I read this? the final number on the right is the total/summed RL speed?

[quick lake]

The web app definitely better for mobile. Usually toggle between both

[quick lake]

Yep! The numbers on the the right show the % of the burst bar filled at 2Rl, 3RL, 4RL time

So if the number is 75 at 2.5RL, means the bar is 75% full at 2.5RL time. Means not full, means u cant burst and hence likley will burst at 3RL

[vapid lake]

the guy who made that webapp must be asian

because he calls team comps "decks"

[quick lake]

Is that how it work..

[vapid lake]

its a very KR/JP thing

[finite wedge]

[keen vapor]

Wouldn't a JP thing will be "party"?

[vapid lake]

trust me its the same from dota underlords and TFT
i used to watch some asian streamers and they call teams decks

[keen vapor]

I honestly don't know

[finite wedge]

I feel like this guy in my bracket is throwing his raw combat power around more than anything

[quick lake]

Yeah, looks like CP padded teams

[finite wedge]

he's challenger 7

[vapid lake]

damn all his teams will burst next christmas

if there's no cp gap this is so free

[finite wedge]

in rookie I beat one of his teams even with a 22% deficit

[grizzled bone]

definitely CP gap teams. Probably has a PvE box

at least for whoever is lower than him

[swift mango]

Unless he is a whale or the bracket players are slacking in level up this would never def anything.

[lusty gull]

i'm french

[vapid lake]

damn u guys also call them decks

[lusty gull]

hmm i use that word because i like it

except that word, if there's a better translations for ui, you can write them to me

[finite wedge]

oh he's a whale all right, some 40 levels ahead of everyone except the #1 (who is even more of a whale)

[finite wedge]

thank you for making it!

[lusty gull]

thanks

[swift mango]

I think I have seen you shared this web on reddit before. Right?

[lusty gull]

only shared on some discord server

[swift mango]

Okay maybe it was someone else.

[lusty gull]

if you see it on reddit that was not me, but i'm happy if someone shared it there

[vapid lake]

do u mind adding 1 more function to the webapp so it's more convenient to use

[lusty gull]

like what ?
i'm currently adding save feature

[vapid lake]

cp deficit calculator

[lusty gull]

i can but you can use a calculator too lol

[vapid lake]

more effort to use a calculator

[lusty gull]

if i add this, i think it will come with something like a checkbox to enable advanced pvp feature

i mean you can use that app for other content too

[grizzled bone]

hey Bastial, thanks for making the web app

[vapid lake]

pvp and pve have different stat penalties at different thresholds

[lusty gull]

thanks

[calm gull]

henlo, I need a SPA team suggestions, any help will be appreciated

[muted stag]

Welp so can’t win huh

[grizzled bone]

could you include your current teams so that others dont suggeset the same thing?

[calm gull]

sure

[swift mango]

@calm gull

How is the CP of

Alice+Crown+RH+Emilia+Jackal?

[calm gull]

no crown no Emilia

its my alt starts from 2nd anniv

[swift mango]

Whoosh sorry I some how @ u

[calm gull]

all G

[muted stag]

920

[muted stag]

Burst with Alice huh

[next vigil]

guys what s the best team for rookie arena(i don t have jackal)

[grizzled bone]

maybe something like this? I tried improving your speeds slightly. T1 is a stall team that is based on healing. I'm sure you're aware already that your major weaknesses is a lack of burst-gen units. You may want to consider a CP gap team if your bracket rank allows you to

SPA Def

Moran-Quiry-Bay/Nero-Pepper-XMaid [3.5RL]
Noah-Liter-Cindy-Anis-Jackal [3RL]
SBS-Blanc-RH-Maiden-Drake [4RL]

[calm gull]

I do aware, thank you very much chef

what about Biscuit on T3/T2?

[swift mango]

Maybe you could gain 20k with this team after level up 3 times and switching cubes

[swift mango]

@calm gull

T1 is gonna be 4rl with Nero

[muted stag]

if emillia and jackal i put lvl 13 resil cube instead of lvl 7 quantum can gain some cp

[calm gull]

noted thanks

[grizzled bone]

Biscuit will give a defender invuln but will slow your teams down. In PvP I suggest to people to shoot for a standard 3RL across all teams
So you could put Biscuit in to give either Blanc or Noah invuln if you think a stall strategy would be more effective

[calm gull]

ah I thought she has on par of burstgen along with centi/anis, much apreciated

[grizzled bone]

I wish

her burst gen is on par with units like Tia, Bay, Quiry.

[swift mango]

You goal should be an AoE wipe with

P1 linked+ Flex*3 +Jackal p5

At 923k power.

Doesn't mattered how you do it.

[swift mango]

Idk it's as closed as it is. You could try if you have a spare attack. Or Skip.

[muted stag]

@swift mango how this lose

his scar was indom cuzblanc

t3 is win

or should i skip his team 2 hit his sanis?

[swift mango]

This was a bit at Stat deficit here.... But given you offed most of his team you should have been able to burst... And maybe his Scarlet just soloed your whole team with counters.

[muted stag]

my whole team was alive

but i think the blanc was proc so scar indom

so the scar solo wipe everything else

[swift mango]

Yeah, he offed your team. With counter

From s2

[muted stag]

sowhat shd i do

burst faster and try kill scar before blanc burst?

[swift mango]

You could use your Scarlet team, just replace Blanc with Centi or LapT

Centi for a sure win

[muted stag]

then his t3?

[swift mango]

Swap Anis and Rapu

Position

[muted stag]

not sure if anis can tank everything tho

[swift mango]

Biscuit

[muted stag]

put biscuit in p5?

[swift mango]

Biscuit make Anis Invulnerable

You will win with just that.

You could also put Cindy there.

[muted stag]

alr got it

[muted stag]

@swift mango

so for this

t1 scar blanc RH rapu jackal 961k
t3 noah rumani biscuit cindy centi 852k

[swift mango]

Wtf...

[muted stag]

u said anything as long 920k

[swift mango]

I just told you to swap Anis with Rapu and you wanted to change by yourselves to lose

[muted stag]

no im saying for the other guy

[muted stag]

saying for this

[swift mango]

[muted stag]

um i think its fine right u said 3 flex

so i just choosed those with high cp

[swift mango]

Could be

[muted stag]

jackal links with scar and RH

[swift mango]

If you swap Rapu with Emi, how much it bacame?

[muted stag]

my rapu core 7 so drop to 894k

[swift mango]

You have quantum lv7 right?

On Jackal?

[muted stag]

yes

[muted stag]

u wanna change to resil?

emillia also quantum

[swift mango]

No

I just want to make sure

Put Quantum lv7 on Jackal and Rapu and you should be fine.

[muted stag]

t1 scar blanc RH rapu jackal 961k
t3 noah rumani biscuit cindy centi 852k

so quantum Rapu jackal centi rumani here

[swift mango]

Even without putting on Rapu you should be fine

[muted stag]

dont put rapu then put who

[swift mango]

Well could keep it on Rapu then...

[swift mango]

If you worry Scar-link would die you could put Vigor or Tempering on her if they are at high lv....

[muted stag]

alr

but it shd link since scar and RH are the only ones doll up

the others only lvl 5 SR doll

[swift mango]

Could your team 3 win though?

[swift mango]

You could swap Centi to Scar team replacing Blanc to be more sure.

And Add SBS to Centi spot for better CP pad.

Of t3.

But generally, your current Scarlet team would be 2.5RL with feed from Mordernia and Pepper and wipe your 3rl enemy.

[muted stag]

Yeah

[grizzled bone]

this was a genuine question btw.
I also wanna know if Emilia is worth trying lol. A2 makes sense and Emilia does dmg to main body so theoretically she could do well in the right team? but idk how much with the element being off

[swift mango]

You could use your current team or try

Scarlet+Centi+RL+Rapu+Jackal

Noah+Rumani+Biscuit+Cindy+SBS

for more sure win.

That's all I would say. Because at 2.5 RL their Pepper could kill your Scarlet with their burst 1.

[azure quest]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/563351597317488661/1274466083813982318/catexplodion.gif

[whole pawn]

@tropic summit @fathom rock can we cook?

[covert lintel]

opponent's team is similar to this #pvp-arena message , so it's better u don't use blanc or biscuit

[unique mountain]

[gaunt cypress]

[muted stag]

Alright thx

[whole pawn]

anyone here

[pearl lintel]

hey everyone any advice who should I use on this setup? I'm missing jackal/noah atm