pvp-arena

[swift mango]

Yea

[umbral belfry]

doomed to be bullied

[wise horizon]

Yeah unfortunately

[manic yacht]

rookie and special arena teams?

[swift mango]

Move Anis from team 2 to team 3.m replacing Naga. Then use team 3 to crash at their t1. Check CP before hitting though. Your team/their needs > 0.846

Use your team 1 to hit their team 3.

[raven plover]

yea I dont have it either

[tropic summit]

did you get to see if bay burst kicked in prior to scarlet ultimate? because it might be an issue of speed then

[tropic summit]

@wise horizon try @swift mango suggestion, might be easier

[swift mango]

Could just auto team and hope for the best

[umbral belfry]

with the exception of blanc for naga, that's basically my auto

[swift mango]

Hmm, it could not work if Rumani doesn't get killed by Scarlet slash and got it invulnerable... Or Anis CP too low and team falling to deficit taking out Naga.

[umbral belfry]

they keep targetting me oooo when i get them

[swift mango]

Oh hey, you could try

Rumani+Blanc+Biscuit+Cindy+S.Anis/Noir against their first team. If you are comfortable with your Cindy Tankiness equipping Vigor/Tempering.

---

Or just equipping your Emilia with Vigor when attacking Noah team.

Or use SBS instead of RH then put SBS to p2.

[coarse lake]

Yeah you need to find a way to buff maiden up more in second fight

[quick lake]

Hmm Bay + Biscuit doesnt seem able to block cindy's nuke @tropic summit @swift mango

[graceful grotto]

cindy burst is unique, it technically atk twice

so the first atk break bay's shield and second atk just nuke

[quick lake]

Yeah, but we speculated that Biscuited-Bay would result in no spillover dmg for the rest of the team

[tropic summit]

oh she does block it.. it's just that the dmg is insane

is that fully built bay with SR15 doll and temperance on lvl 3-7?

[quick lake]

It s 4/4/1 Bay no SR doll

[tropic summit]

then there's hope, my guess is that an invested bay might actually enable the team to survive that 🤔

would be nice to stick in a noise too tbh

[quick lake]

Hmmmm

Honestly Bay/Biscuit/Moran is so weird

[tropic summit]

i'd love to test this bad boy if only i had bay built

specifically against scarlet and cindy teams

[graceful grotto]

lmao so many protection

[quick lake]

I think scarlet teams are an easy win

Its the cindy teams that are weird

[tropic summit]

yeah it's the most stall alternative to a noah team i can think of 🤔

minus the moran/nero, but that'd be heavy on burst gen

[graceful grotto]

i might build bay next if that's the case lol

[quick lake]

Look at this! Biscuited Bay actually causes the team to lose here

[graceful grotto]

budget noah is helpful for scar x blanc team

[tropic summit]

eh i think bay might be the future for CA too afterall

she could fit a 2nd stall team

[graceful grotto]

bay steal biscuit buff when moran is doing all the job kewk

[quick lake]

Whereas in this vid, NO biscuit team actualy wins

[graceful grotto]

hmmmm

[tropic summit]

damn i'm too unfamiliar with the sharing mechanic of bay to fully understand why 🤔

[graceful grotto]

but in this one biscuit died first so sbs cuts through

the first one biscuit procs indo twice on noah

so i think real reason is xmaiden one shot biscuit lmao

[tropic summit]

SBS against noah + biscuit in the first place it's a very bad matchup for SBS

[tropic summit]

yeah that's -5s of invulnerability on noah

pretty huge 🤔

[quick lake]

If opponent has Noah and Biscuit in their team, its quite RNG tbh

Maybe SAnis here would be better

[tropic summit]

might enable you to kill enemy backline faster, since your own s.anis is gonna be "protected" better

she'll delete RH and s.anis on enemy team faster than your own at least

[quick lake]

Still lose.

[tropic summit]

damn that's interesting

how would this fare? biscuitless but add noise

p5 can be flex clip SG burst gen

[quick lake]

I still have no idea how the dmg sharing works. Does bay having SR15 causes the entire cindy's nuke dmg to be reduced? Or imo the more likely one is that the dmg reduction is dependent on each nikke hit

[tropic summit]

we need @worthy knoll or @coarse lake here, they might know

[quick lake]

Cause in jackal linked teams, the unit getting hit (and has SR15), causes all the subsequent linked units to recieve less dmg

[coarse lake]

I don't test with bay, I only know the basics

[tropic summit]

aww oki, maybe Merry then

[viral spoke]

right, how does everyone rate RapiHood for PvP content?

[coarse lake]

The share is % based, bay taking the most

[unkempt trail]

wtf with rookie arena, its always 300k above my cp or 300k below my cp

[tropic summit]

wow noise was useless here

[grizzled bone]

what are you testing?

[tropic summit]

bay damage share to reduce cindy nuke

in particular if SR15 fully built + temperance bay impacts dmg received from nuke on everyone linked

[grizzled bone]

doing gods work i see

[quick lake]

If Bay is invuln cause of Biscuit, it seems that the rest of the team just gets the lowered 15% dmg share dmg (idk seems like it, havent mathed)

[tropic summit]

yeah, something still works as intended there, but it's so milder than i expected, i hope with doll maxed and temperance that nuke actually gets further reduced

[grizzled bone]

is this a thought exercise or are you going practicality?

[coarse lake]

Not really

[quick lake]

Honestly just trying to find a Moran/Bay/Biscuit (any of these units), to counter a cindy nuke

[coarse lake]

It mainly helps bay live longer

[tropic summit]

so no chance that it reduces dmg on everyone afterall uh

[quick lake]

Yeah, dont think so, but I'll look at my vids and report back

[coarse lake]

Just use those 3, burst in time, and use a viable dps for the matchup

[coarse lake]

Also depends a lot on invest diff

[coral orbit]

is this positioning of my team correct ?

[quick lake]

#pvp-arena message
Used all 3 and still lost

[coarse lake]

You're using Bscar bud

[tropic summit]

jackal and bay together in same team + biscuit

[grizzled bone]

@glad meteor do you remember details for this?

[coarse lake]

Against Noah biscuit

[quick lake]

That might be cindy no dmg bug though

[glad meteor]

Nope

[grizzled bone]

it was in our former rookie logs now general logs

[quick lake]

I have like vids, that somehow cindy doing punyyyy dmg

[grizzled bone]

🪵

[tropic summit]

either way thanks for testing that lineup @quick lake , i wanted to myself but my bay is still far from being usable

[grizzled bone]

the constant pvp dilemna

to invest or not to invest

[grizzled bone]

https://tenor.com/view/edp-i-mean-its-all-right-gif-26702511

[quick lake]

My bay is also barely invested

[tropic summit]

must be used against a non jackal team, can be indommed to essentially work like a post nuke emi or a s.anis

also likely needs double buff to ensure she kills within indom time
unlike SBS, she wouldn't suffer against invulnerable targets (like noah + biscuit matchups)

bomb and AoE can hit up to p5

From what I've seen/gathered at least

[coarse lake]

Holding my decision on rapipi until I actually get to watch my sp playback

[thorn dock]

What's up everyone, It's me

Quick question, when rosanna died along with an ally, did it trigger her second skill :>

[thorn dock]

I have seen really funny things today but I forgot to record

[glad meteor]

This was a recent vid i did of biscuit bay vs cindy @grizzled bone

[quick lake]

Yeah, Bay's cover got destroyed before cindy's nuke, so couldnt tank any dmg

[glad meteor]

Think we need noise biscuit bay

But this team is sus

[tropic summit]

oh jackal mandatory?

[glad meteor]

I’ve no idea

[tropic summit]

[glad meteor]

This was meant to be sanis counter

[graceful grotto]

This team is kinda hmmmm

[quick lake]

Just run a slower Blanc + SAnis

[glad meteor]

Cindy decoy tanks a hit

[glad meteor]

I don’t like blanc sanis

Many times my sanis hasn’t finished the whole team off when using Noah biscuit. So i feel like if I use indom I’ll lose

[quick lake]

Yeah, Noah Biscuit RNG

[keen vapor]

Me neither

[umbral crown]

ypu have crown but not max doll you mean

[grizzled bone]

I dont think Bay's kit is reliable against Cindy because her burst is multi-hit in nature. If it works it's pretty RNG from what I've seen

also I'm over PvP

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

interns should be back from unpaid holidays, yet still didn't fix

[glad meteor]

Need to see more tests ~~failures till i give up ~~

[umbral crown]

thats what i see when i try to do co op

since summer

[keen vapor]

Brick

[tropic summit]

~~oh right there's a coop in this game, those aren't bots to simulate it ~~

[umbral crown]

the real brick

[glad meteor]

If anyone has vid of cindy nuke 0.5 rl slower than enemy send vid

I’ll keep in my gooncave

Want to see how many hits go through noah shield

[grizzled bone]

evidence deleted

[grizzled bone]

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how about this?

[glad meteor]

Thanks

[quick lake]

@tropic summit @coarse lake Maybe Bay having SR15 doll might reduce the team's dmg

[strong hull]

[quick lake]

Based on prydwen dmg sharing ratio

[coarse lake]

it's probably cindy snapshotting with bay cover still intact

check how much cover is left on bay right before cindy nuke hits for your vids

[quick lake]

Oh thats true

[umbral belfry]

would it be a good idea to exchange dkw for roseanna if i built her?

[coarse lake]

actually at start won't matter.. it prob depends on when bay cover is destroyed during burst sequence

have you used the same setup at different hours to check for cindy rng

[coarse lake]

I got vids in rps tc channel, go search there

keyword is probably noah or bypass

[quick lake]

Yeah, the Cindy's dmg is pretty consistent

[coarse lake]

noah burst can go up after 4 hits and all the main hits still bypass

only the additional mini procs get blocked real time

there's simply a point where cindy burst snapshots things

[quick lake]

I'll send the vid here for reference.

[swift mango]

Well the shared dmg is based on the one who received the hit. So Bay doll would only reduce the hits on herself.

[coarse lake]

if the dmg share when bay cover is left is applied to most of cindy hits due to cover being blown late, that would explain cindy doing much less dmg to a setup vs another

dmg share when cover is up is much higher than when no cover

[keen vapor]

Rosanna is very high investment required so I'd say no

[quick lake]

Possible will go look at the numbers again

[umbral belfry]

rip even if my dkw is 1/1/1 currently? (i'm focusing on my main campaign units rn)

[swift mango]

I doubt the cover can last more than 1 hit from Cindy

[umbral belfry]

i do plan on raising my pvp units eventually but not rn

[keen vapor]

Yes

[umbral belfry]

thanks

[coarse lake]

yeah, but from the vids posted, sometimes cover is blown immediately, other times a few hits later

[swift mango]

Could be lag visual idk. Lemme check the dmg in x0.5 speed

[coarse lake]

best way to test is to do the exact same matchup, at different hours

so you can check for cindy rng, if teams have different sustain at different hours, it's definitely cindy burst snapshot weirdness

I can't think of any other reason why

[swift mango]

Hmmm what are these "block"s mean?

What block what?

[umbral crown]

cover

[glad meteor]

Rosanna can do good with shotgun team since they do a lot of damage on autos. She’s a b1 nuker. You can take advantage of where the enemy gives pressure and sacrifice a nikke for burst gen and also nuke the opponent.

[coarse lake]

hmm

maybe find a way to add up all the cover dmg you see bay take

and see if it's way more than how much cover she's supposed to actually have (idk how much that is)

or just compare with other vids where team died fast

[swift mango]

Ah okay I was stupid

[coarse lake]

idk if it works here, since cindy isn't hitting cover directly

but maybe it works

[quick lake]

Hm okay. I think both of yall are right. After cover is nuked, the shared dmg is based on who gets hit

[coarse lake]

dmg dealt to a specific non-bay unit is prob an easier way

just test same matchup at diff hours

[raven plover]

yes

[swift mango]

You could see how the 0 HP cover kept blocking long after it was destroyed. I guess this was really the bug.

[coarse lake]

yeah

it's prob that combined with cindy targeting order rng, ig sometimes the bug doesn't happen, or happens to fewer hits

or if you had less cover to start with

well it's not bug, it's just... snapshotty code

none of cindy main hits get full burst, despite many of them being well into full burst

so we already know they snapshot to some extent

bypassing noah that goes up halfway is the same, and now with bay

honestly that's prob why my double buff cindy couldn't wipe moran bay biscuit last I tried

my double buff cindy wipes anything on earth in 1 tap otherwise

[quick lake]

I think its mostly a visual problem. The cover has already been broken, but the blue dmg pops up much later

[coarse lake]

bay cover with blocking overflow is too stronk

[coarse lake]

then it's snapshotty

I have the same "visual" thing with noah shield, but that's not true, bc visual means it's up, but cindy still bypasses

[umbral crown]

si

[coarse lake]

the dmg numbers are barely delayed

if enough hits of cover dmg but no cover, that's not visual

if it's like a frame or two, yeah that's prob visual

[swift mango]

The cover was about 40% HP when Cindy burst. AND destroyed right after but it blocked all the hit.

If it worked as intended then Bay just counter Cindy nuke as good as countering Scarlet.

[coarse lake]

there was a vid here where cover broke as soon as the first light beam landed, go check that

[quick lake]

I was thinking, maybe Bay's cover completely negates the first wave of cindy's nuke?

[swift mango]

Guess Bay being weak against Cindy and Rossanna was just a myth after all.

[quick lake]

Then only the second wave, actually hits Bay/rest of the eam

[coarse lake]

this one, is this what you checked

[quick lake]

So the first wave counts as once instance

[swift mango]

Cover broke right at the start but kept blocking. Didn't you see my 4 pic before?

[coarse lake]

this is the earliest cover break in the vids here I think

[quick lake]

yep

[coarse lake]

hmm

[quick lake]

Hmmm, based on this vid there was 2 clear instance of dmg

[coarse lake]

then you losing is prob due to that maiden thing you talked about, killing biscuit

bc you ain't winning against double invuln noah anyway

[quick lake]

At my sync, cover is roughly ~3.2M HP though. So any one of cindy's nuke should destory hit

[coarse lake]

if this is all from same vid, the cover took like a bajillion dmg

[swift mango]

All blocked by Bay. The cover keeps blocking up until Bay died.

[coarse lake]

which does happen with cindy, a dead body can take dmg from cindy burst hit

ah yeah that's the most obvious one

then yeah it seems like cindy fully snapshots onto bay cover

you only won that one bc maiden got rid of biscuit fast, just stop using bscar there smh

[quick lake]

Yeah ^ this is the weird thing. Feels more of a visual delay. Even after bay's cover is destory, the visual still shows the "block"

[coarse lake]

that's not visual bruh

bay's near dead, that's long long past visual delay

[swift mango]

Cover blocked all 10 hits. Broke at 1st hit but 9 later hit all blocked.

[coarse lake]

it's just cindy snapshot

[quick lake]

So its essentially Noah?

[coarse lake]

my double buff emi 1 tapped the same moran bay biscuit comp that same buffers cindy barely scratched with nuke

[swift mango]

So we could assume Cindy delayed nukes aren't delayed at all hitting Bay cover.

[coarse lake]

cindy delayed nukes are barely delayed if the dmg dealt changes midway, it won't update

that includes immunity

[quick lake]

In this vid, the moment cindy nukes, you can clearly see Bay's cover going down twice. Once to about ~50%HP, then finally destroyed

[coarse lake]

then bay "cover" kept taking dmg until bay died

100% snapshot

cindy nuke makes dmg out of thin air, dead body? still dmg number, dead decoy? still dmg number, immune? still dmg number and actual dmg if snapshotted before immune

[quick lake]

I still have no clue how this work

[swift mango]

Watch again, Bay cover already 40% BEFORE CINDY even burst.

From all the dmg from b2- to B3 time

[coarse lake]

cindy burst snapshots the state of the attacker and receivers at some point at the very start of burst activation

[quick lake]

Yeah ^ at this point, was 100% cover to 40% cover, was it due to cindy's nuke? or just general dmg

[coarse lake]

then all the main hits cindy deals after uses that state, regardless if the defensive state changes mid sequence

only the additional procs update real time

those are probably why your team even took dmg

[swift mango]

No, it was slowly going down from shared dmg from normal attack.

Just watch your video in x0.5 speed....

[swift mango]

Slowing it down for you.

[coarse lake]

here's my best example of snapshot

[quick lake]

So that means that Bay actually does negate Cindy's nuke dmg. Is just whether ur other units can survive the remaining dmg share

[coarse lake]

she mostly negates it

[quick lake]

Okay my bad

[coarse lake]

check rapu dmg numbers

took dmg from first main hit, immune from first additional hit

then.... took dmg from second main hit, this is after the immune from noah

the additional hits update real time, the main hits don't give a damn

[swift mango]

The problem with Bay is mainly you need your cover to survive from your B2 to their B3. If not, you lose.

[coarse lake]

it's essentially only delayed in when the target unit dies

the dmg dealt is basically snapshot

[glad meteor]

[coarse lake]

which makes her better against noah, worse against bay

but bay still has sustain issues anyway

[quick lake]

Damn wow. Nuke is really snapshotted

[glad meteor]

If a Moran triggers after cindy nuke. The following hits will be affected right

Don’t know what to think anymore

[quick lake]

Doubt so based on Agent's logic

[coarse lake]

if moran triggers midway, it should have no effect on the main hits

you're dying to cindy if that happens anyway

[swift mango]

So just bring Emi in your Cindy team and you should be fine.

[coarse lake]

or just go fast cindy

[swift mango]

Bay cover B3 will be destroyed, no prob

[coarse lake]

2rl cindy, don't think bay can b2 in time

if bay can't burst, she literally provides nothing

[swift mango]

You can't know the speed of the one who attack you.

[swift mango]

Actually SBs+Bay+3clip RL is 2rl

[quick lake]

Tldr: Bay's cover does block cindy's nuke (i.e. 1365% dmg nuke). But its the shared dmg (i.e. 1.02% x 10 hits) + follow up cindy dmg (28.9% of final atk dmg) that kills the team

[coarse lake]

you're not living that even if bay is in time, unless 2rl cindy isn't using noah, then maybe

if you go bay biscuit with a good non-buff dps (bscar), you can't reach faster than 3rl

rumani/bscar/bay/biscuit/anis, something like that

well you can if a ton of cs on everyone, then maybe barely 2.5

[swift mango]

No biscuit ofc

[coarse lake]

no biscuit you're in a dmg race, either bscar kills them fast enough or you just die still

[swift mango]

Yea

[quick lake]

@tropic summit

[half grail]

Bruh how the hell can I play my sp arena it’s irritating

1 week I can’t defend

Buggy af

[coarse lake]

just don't bother using bay to deal with cindy unless it's a slow cindy, and you have a dps that can kill them fast, and even then, prob need biscuit and/or b1 sustain

fight against higher sync/invest and you prob lose regardless

it takes a while for bscar to kill cindy due to decoy

[glad meteor]

This is sad

I’m going to join et

[coarse lake]

bay takes too many units to be usable, even in this situation where she has advantage and noah doesn't

and yeah, bay invest is... just for cp basically

can slap on purple for more cover if dangerous position

[quick lake]

Hmm, actually in this case Biscuit is useless to Bay no?

[glad meteor]

Bay is also mid gen. Harder to make comps with her

[quick lake]

Cause biscuit doesnt reduce the follow up dmg

[coarse lake]

as soon as bay dies the rest of your team take full dmg, biscuit delays that from happening, but.... yeah not that broken vs other setups

normally bay biscuit is huge upgrade to bay

against cindy... eh, not required

[quick lake]

Yeap got it. Really clear

Thanks for the explanations

Thanks for entertaining my ramblings @swift mango

[half grail]

Was there any update of SU addressing the bug?

[coarse lake]

well biscuit still helps with post burst sustain, but if your dps can kill them fast enough should be fine, prob need b1 sustain to help bay live longer

[quick lake]

They're aware, but no news on fixing it yet

[finite wedge]

I'd be surprised if any fix came before the next update

[half grail]

Damn they did this bug on purpose so I lose rank

[covert lintel]

the only thing i can think for bay is this(all team use tempering cube)
the purpose is to stack up damage taken↓ for all allies

[coarse lake]

you still lose bc you got no dmg

[swift mango]

You still lose because 4rl team

[keen vapor]

You still lose bc low CP

[rich quail]

https://tenor.com/view/sweats-gif-25346666

[grizzled bone]

you still lose because SU hates you

[keen vapor]

Next week surely

[worthy knoll]

If SU added a B1 unit, that has decent gen and has an effect of reducing damage to cover by a high percentage or, better even making the cover immune. It will make Bay as reliable as Noah

[keen vapor]

Bay is already too much reliable for me

[grizzled bone]

[keen vapor]

Check my vids Merry

[worthy knoll]

She's not

Atm she's just cope for those without Noah

[keen vapor]

Now you'll say you could easily beat that guy with your Nero Quiry comp

[glad meteor]

B1 rebuild cover 100% cover and sustain unit. Insta skip for everyone not pvp

[worthy knoll]

Your playing a russian roulette on speed and praying Bay Cover doesn't get destroyed between the delay from Bays B2 and enemy B3

[keen vapor]

You aren't checking

[keen vapor]

Cocoa treasure

[quick lake]

Yeah, this actually

[worthy knoll]

Again I told you she is not reliable atm. Noah can block without a Biscuit. Bay needs Biscuit to block with more reliability, and even with a different defender on P1 that you are sure to get Biscuit S2 before Bay does her S2 to ensure no natks can destroy her cover too quickly but even then its still not guaranteed, a strong RH buffed Laplace+ and Emi with high CS or uncanny timing hitting between that delay your Bay B2 and enemy B3 can still break the cover if they hit your non immune P2 (or P3 in Emi's case)

[quick lake]

Bay gotta be in P4. But means no other B2 in front of Bay

Yeah, maybe a B1 unit which mega buffs defender cover or something might work

[glad meteor]

Imagine more pvp units

[swift mango]

Biscuit treasure to become B1.

[covert lintel]

this is the limit of f2p

[upper grove]

I'm missing so many RL dolls and SR just refuses to drop them

[coarse lake]

yeah I'm worried about running out of creds eventually, data shows that it's inevitable

how did you run out of exp though

[swift mango]

Good?

[white compass]

Who's thicc azz legs r those o

[finite wedge]

grave

[white compass]

Oh lol

[swift mango]

When you Clip RL get hit rate and your AR get Charge speed.

[tropic summit]

Yeah was catching up just now, interesting topic and also curious on cindy snapshotted dmg

Meh Bay wont save you from emi and cindy unless jackal is present too uh... Too bad 🤨

So far only K survived a cindy nuke with bay jackal biscuit irc

[strong hull]

Horrible

[swift mango]

Check Rheax video. Moran+Bay no biscuit and won against Cindy.

[graceful grotto]

if only 😦

[tropic summit]

Wasn't that attributed to a bug?

[quick lake]

Nope. The numbers there are accurate

How does the follow up dmg of cindy even deal so much dmg

[swift mango]

Idk

[quick lake]

Yeah, thinking about it more, I think Bay Reduces incoming cindy’s nuke by 92% (i.e. the cover takes this 92% of the dmg). The remaining 8% is what actually kills ur team.

So Moran is there to reduce further that 8% of cindy’s nuke, so that finally u can live

[tropic summit]

then it might still be worth building bay afterall?

gathering more data would help, especially on an invested bay with temperance and SR15

i might've one guy in my bracket with her in one of their SP teams

[quick lake]

Oh yeah, the previous Noise + Bay test was invalid. Bay lost her cover before cindy's nuke, so they team just got nuked

I'll try again tmr and update

[tropic summit]

sounds good

[quick lake]

Noise Bay, Moran Bay should be equally good i think

[covert lintel]

i exchanged into core dust

[quick lake]

Oh, that actually means that bay in a way negates scarlet nuke (as mentioned in guides), but also still allows 8% of the dmg to go through

So technically if u have giga buffed scarlet, opponent still recieves some dmg

[tropic summit]

might not be lethal, although you'd need to survive a possibly indom scarlet post nuke 🤔

still better than facetanking all of its dmg tho

[quick lake]

yep definitely

[swift mango]

The best way to deal with Indom scarlet is not dealing with it at all.

[cedar orbit]

Just 2 RL Cindy it

[swift mango]

So what's your Bay team? My current Bay team is.

Bay+Biscuit+SBS+Emi+Noise

[spiral onyx]

Good to see people actually revisiting and realizing Bay is a viable counter. It's like people suddenly took off their blinders and started looking at other defensive options aside from Noah after Champion Arena got announced as 5v5...
~~Maybe this will also mean people will start actually looking into XMica again ~~

Maybe Makima might even make a comeback, but maybe not cause most players don't even have her

[swift mango]

CSM Collab 2 next year. Trust.🥲

[spiral onyx]

Maybe Rei will actually be a defensive defender in the Eva collab 2

[cedar orbit]

Dual clip RL in EVA collab 2

[keen vapor]

MLB Mica

[quick lake]

Will probably see more pvp traction once CA actually has some more details

[spiral onyx]

The only thing missing right now is actually a final P1 tank that doesn't have garbage burst gen

All the current P1 tank candidates have really bad burst gen

[keen vapor]

Mica can't tank

[spiral onyx]

And there's only so much burst gen you can pass around to cover for both your P1 tank and your B3 DPS carry

Or your AoE anti nuke

At the risk of over-revealing my CA teams:

Your anti-nuke options are:
Moran - AR
Noise - RL
Noah - RL
Bay - RL

Your P1 tank options are:
Moran - AR
Noise - RL
Noah - RL
Makima - MG
Ludmilla - SMG
Nero - SMG

Moran, Noise and Noah get to double up as P1 tanks who are also anti-AoE-nukers, but your remaining two teams need to figure out how to fit both an anti-AoE nuker (or some workaround like Blanc) and a P1 tank (or some workaround like Biscuit invuln) in addition to a B3 DPS carry (mostly all low burst gen).

One of my current P1 tank "solutions" is doubling up B1s in P1 and P2 but that's really just not reliable enough

Really need another taunt RL or B1 defender who is either like Moran or Noise or Makima but doesn't have crap burst gen

[quick lake]

Yeah, we dont have a lot of versatile B1 options

[spiral onyx]

In addition to that, with the introduction of dolls and Tempering cube, most DPS now need at least 1 buffer to clean wipe, even Cindy

[quick lake]

Jackal kinda solves a team's P1 tank.
The last team would probably be along xanne revive

At least that's how I crafted my teams

Alternatively, the least team would be a Nero/sustain kind of team

Hopefully we hear some CA news soon

[spiral onyx]

What B1 buffers do we have?
Liter - SMG
Miranda - SMG
XMica - SMG
RH - SR
All of which have crap burst gen except XMica

[quick lake]

Yeah, our B1 buffers have really bad burst gen

[spiral onyx]

There's some creative stuff you can do like use Maxwell in lieu of one buffer, but Maxwell is a SR so also meh burst gen

[quick lake]

CA will probably take a while longer. Hopefully some interesting new pvp units in the mean time

[spiral onyx]

Or pair Noise with Cindy

[quick lake]

Yeah definitely. I think Noise would like to pair with Cindy most of the time

The constrain is mostly burst gen units. Hard to get to 2.5RL/2RL 1-2 teams without losing speed in other teams

Gotta 17% cs all the RL units

[swift mango]

No way they would release new game mode but not making money from it. Powercreep is a given

[quick lake]

Yeah. I call xanne rerun + new pvp unit when CA releases

[lunar dirge]

I just did 4 teams with solid defence and just did a sac setup with 5th team via p1 sr anis

[spiral onyx]

If they make it 3/5 win requirement (which I think would be dumb but unfortunately likely), you're giving away 1 free win

[lunar dirge]

true that

[spiral onyx]

My best hope is that they do a points system where the more wins you take the more points you get. That way a 4/5 or 5/5 clear gets rewarded

[quick lake]

I still need probably a month more to finish up my pvp investments

[lunar dirge]

depends for me

[spiral onyx]

As of the moment, attack is at an overwhelming advantage so building 3 winning attack teams is trivial

4 attack teams that win requires spotting a clear easy counter or the defender just gave up trying to build 5 teams

5 attack teams that win is much harder or means you just knowledge gapped the opponent

Actually, nvm, I take all that back. Most players don't have the investment to build 5 solid defence teams

So winning 4/5 should be fine while winning 3/5 is super easy

[quick lake]

I speculate for the 5 teams, the individual must choose to "expose" 2 teams, keeping the remaining 3 hidden

[lunar dirge]

if so, just put the scar and s.anis and let the of my teams cook

[spiral onyx]

That'd just be exposing the Scarlet and SAnis teams lol

[mystic wind]

man the gap between top 5 and anyone else in this bracket is just....

[median sigil]

any suggestion on how to counter this lineup on rookie arena?

[tropic summit]

Dont have calculator at hand, should be 3RL you can 4RL noah biscuit rapu s.anis crown

Blanc is there for moral support

[lunar dirge]

or just blanc emi it

[spiral onyx]

Ugh, I just cooked up a really wild 2.5RL comp using Poli as both the P1 tank and B2 buffer, but running it would require introducing a new clip RL unit

Unless...

[bleak shale]

when do we get "at start of battle: silence enemy team" nikke

and then everythings screwed

[spiral onyx]

I can unlock Viper 's treasure but just not max it out right? To avoid Viper re-entering B2?

[tender valve]

https://tenor.com/view/great-pretender-anime-guns-laughing-happy-new-year-gif-19862862

[indigo path]

hi guys

new year, need new pvp lineup for rookie + special arena
https://i.imgur.com/e1X7kwW.jpeg
ty in advance

i think my new units are rapi:rh, centi, rouge, grave, rapunzel:pure grace

[coarse lake]

tbh I'm not too worried about building bay for champ

if champ needs my bay built so her cp is high enough, whales win it all anyway

if not, then bay doesn't need to be built to begin with

[keen vapor]

Easiest scar jack on life?

Scarlet/Blanc/RH/Centi/Jackal

[rustic sandal]

Thank you very much. By the way, which cube should you attach to which character?

[lunar dirge]

scarjack victim

[keen vapor]

Centi and jackal with quantum
Blanc with tempering

Then highest level cube available

[rustic sandal]

Thank you very much.

[rustic sandal]

Thank you very much!

I'll do my best in Lost Sector.

[keen vapor]

No tempering 😭

[meager kiln]

What’re some potentially viable teams against this?

[coarse lake]

bscar god

noah biscuit noise

[meager kiln]

With rapu or jackal?

Eh it’s rookie i’ll try both

[umbral crown]

Phase 2 and you are fine

[meager kiln]

Basically bursts too slow or doesnt outlive blanc

[vague token]

Can someone explain to me how this Kara guy is beating my Defense team?

We've been at it for top spot for weeks, I managed to get rank 1 last season

Is it my Naga? Do I need to replace her with someone else?

[median sigil]

thx, it works

[coarse lake]

both of your teams are trash

his team bursts faster, so probably that

[glad meteor]

That’s me

I don’t want wars

[coarse lake]

[glad meteor]

I want to focus on pve for solo raid

And I’m too lazy to push campaign on alt

[vague token]

Ahh

[spiral onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/supa-hot-fire-gif-4972452

[glad meteor]

4OL pvp units too expensive for new account. Just cp def

[lunar dirge]

he is just a pvp veteran

[glad meteor]

My account is bricked on alt

[lunar dirge]

and your team i slow and uses smg and sg

sadly noone will ask in nikke how to beat me

cuz they're all either 1.chinese

[tropic summit]

awesome, nice job

[lunar dirge]

or 2.casuls

[tropic summit]

run this against their lineup (ensure you've invested noise and decently built SBS, also doublecheck CP overall to not be in deficit)

[meager kiln]

Also running rapu is a little slower than theirs

[tropic summit]

you mean you get nuked before your noah kicks off?

[meager kiln]

With rapu scarlet bursts before noise even does

[tropic summit]

what lineup you running to confirm?

[meager kiln]

With jackal noah cancels burst but as the fight goes in middle 3 burns fast for some reason

Noah noise sbs biscuit rapu/jackal

Jackal one gets burst off but doesnt outlast blanc

Rapu cant get burst off in time

[tropic summit]

do you've rumani or anis?

[meager kiln]

Also deleting stuff just in case but yeah

And i guess 480 and 500 recycling room dif if that matters

[tropic summit]

well if you can't survive as in the video above, it's investiment issue

although not getting the burst off in time is a problem on his own

you running quantum cubes on your batteries?

[meager kiln]

Yeah

[tropic summit]

if you have rosanna this should also work

[coarse lake]

if running noise noah biscuit, try for 2.5rl or faster

rh will burst and indom probably if you try to snipe

[tropic summit]

alternatively a 2RL cindy could still work @coarse lake ?

oh oke

[meager kiln]

Yeah, keep trying to invest then tower gives me mother whale

[coarse lake]

I wouldn't trust cindy outspeeding with her rng

what went wrong with jackal version

oh

your noise has taunt prio

that's why it's failing

noise is linked

[meager kiln]

Ah, ig the cs is causing issues?

[coarse lake]

see if you can get biscuit bscar link instead of noise

or change noise position, depends on noise and noah cs

[meager kiln]

I can try swapping positions

Would changing cubes matter?

[coarse lake]

depends on their cs

[worthy knoll]

Is their RH the one linked?

[tropic summit]

or outspeed with single buff scarlet 2RL?

blanc will likely die to counters and nuke, emi will die, leaving RH jackal and scarlet to be killed afteward? or nah?

[meager kiln]

Prob not

21 lvl dif 479 vs 501

Recycling room hp, prob not the most dif but def feels like it

[coarse lake]

if you're gonna outspeed, 2rl buffed xmaiden is the only reliable way imo

since they already seem to be somewhere between 2.5 and 3rl

[tropic summit]

as long as their blanc dies they can't indom at least

[coarse lake]

but easier to just sustain them out tbh

how much ammo lines on them

[worthy knoll]

I was thinking the same, better if RH is the one linked

[coarse lake]

it's prob ammo issue if noah loses taunt there

[tropic summit]

do you happen to have a video btw @meager kiln i might've missed it

[vague token]

Don't use SMG and SG in PvP?

[coarse lake]

hmm

your noah shouldn't be losing taunt then

[lunar dirge]

smg aren't used,and only clip sgs are used in pvp and not against scarjack

[meager kiln]

First is jackal second is rapu

[coarse lake]

.... is your jackal team in deficit

[vague token]

So I gotta replace my Burst 1 and 2 then

[meager kiln]

Jackal team should have more than rapu one lemme check

[worthy knoll]

Go to Union Raid Range boss mode, use that same team in auto aim and auto burst. What you observed there is how long that team of yours do bursts on pvp

[glad meteor]

I don’t use jackal

[lunar dirge]

if you can replace then,else it's over

[tropic summit]

15,68% deficit

[coarse lake]

bruh

[lunar dirge]

shut up

[coarse lake]

how much for jackal

[glad meteor]

Man I just want to do my 5 hits and leave

[meager kiln]

Isnt it only at 80% deficit that it causes issues?

[lunar dirge]

yoi still use scar tho

[coarse lake]

if you can't get in range you're not winning

15.41%

[tropic summit]

yeah deficit hurts here

[coarse lake]

give them all your highest lvl cube

[vague token]

Both Scarlets good for PvP tho?

[coarse lake]

none of your cube choices matter, adj does nothing here

[glad meteor]

Your scar p1 would be good to hurt grave from scar s2

[lunar dirge]

edit it to

[glad meteor]

I don’t care much about rookie on alt. I just want frame 3 speedrun

[meager kiln]

They are the resident dolphin so i wouldnt be surprised if it didnt, i just did consistently beat their god comp in rookie tho so i figured this was doable

Similar powers too

[coarse lake]

try it and see if you get in range

[glad meteor]

But missing too many nikke

[lunar dirge]

i got frame 2 in 2 month

[glad meteor]

I got frame 1 on ice dragon

[lunar dirge]

suffer just like i did

[glad meteor]

Na solo raid harder than global too

[meager kiln]

10k more

[lunar dirge]

frame 2 on cc into frame 1 on sb

[lunar dirge]

not if you're aiming for top 200

[glad meteor]

It’s a couple 100k diff

[coarse lake]

top 200 global is harder bc more players

top n% global is easier bc more players

[lunar dirge]

my hope is to get top 200 on iron weak

else i'm cooked forever

[shell hazel]

praying for RL dolls for like the 5 different RL pvp units that need em lol

none on day 1 of SR

[coarse lake]

you need to reach at least 1mil

[meager kiln]

Yeah fair

[worthy knoll]

1008000 at least

[meager kiln]

Ty for the help though, thought j had a better chance since their other team was consistently beaten

[wise horizon]

Any chance here? @tropic summit

[coarse lake]

great

3 sp bugs in a row

... although I won this time

there might be some rng involved, but 2rl rapipi snipe actually might be poggies

well I would know if only the game playback would actually work, instead of giving me errors 3 attempts in a row

[coarse lake]

go do a shooting range or interception mock before doing it

their rosa prob still snipes emi unconcealed, but if you get rh to have sticky targeting, you still win

[glad meteor]

The rl on enemy team is too low to run emi

[coarse lake]

oh yeah

just run your own cindy nuke that's faster

[rustic sandal]

Can anyone help me with building arena teams? I can't understand it well enough to make my own for both SP and Rookie

Those are all my syncro'd nikkes btw

[bleak latch]

Red Rapi testing

if enemy has no biscuit it would be ended more quickly

[glad meteor]

God rapipi

[bleak latch]

her burst hit p1-2 like rocket launcher

[glad meteor]

Yeah, I seen if enemy has sustain. Rapi can one shot noah from above 50% to k.o

[bleak latch]

what is this

[coarse lake]

her burst hit p1-p5

you're gonna get emi nuked

rapipi usage in pvp is one of these 2 camps:
-team-wide splash dmg, depends on invest, not that hard to outheal tbh
-strongest b3 ST snipe in the game, for niche situations like 1 shotting link chain, or invest dependent on 1 shotting noah before invuln (high invest rapi = more likely to fail)

[bleak latch]

welp red rapi gonna feed scarlet pretty hard anyway

i would not use her as defense at all

[vapid lake]

put rosanna same team

[whole pawn]

@tropic summit I lost the screenshot of teams u recommended

[tropic summit]

did you try search by mentioned? you might find my post in the chat

[whole pawn]

it's drown in the depth who knows where

[tropic summit]

then post your box again we can remake them

[whole pawn]

man neither crown or Noah are coming

[oak gale]

have fun 💀 @tropic summit

[shell hazel]

priority for RL dolls? I got a couple from SR and don't need any for PVE units atm

[oak gale]

just ol'ed rapi redhood and have her on 9 10 4 i think, and scarlet is now 10 5 10

[shell hazel]

guessing Jackal/Centi?

[oak gale]

i think characters who ur gonna use should have a doll at lvl 5 if im not mistaken from what i heard from rail

aka jackal and so on

[whole pawn]

@tropic summit @fathom rock

[shell hazel]

yeah all 5 shown need one, and atm I have 2 RL dolls so it's more about who I will use longer term I think

[oak gale]

priority should be jackal and noise i think , since they both will take decent amount of beating and relevant

[shell hazel]

makes sense thanks 🙂

probably rapunzel lowest?

[oak gale]

[oak gale]

i think the rest depends on ur teams, since the rest wont rlly take any beating but will increase the cp

[glad meteor]

Biscuit is pretty important

[tropic summit]

noir unsynched and scarlet unsynched?

[glad meteor]

Can put defender p1 and biscuit as a wall against some comps

[whole pawn]

I already have full places , besides I don't use them yet so

[shell hazel]

i'll have to consider what to do for next RL dolls I get I think, will go noise + jackal for now

[fathom rock]

Scarlet/centi/xmaid/anis/jackal
Blanc/sbs/biscuit/redhood/rumani
Auto comp
Scar want 10/7/10, sr5 and 2 ammo lines minimum
Rest just want ol and doll for p boost

[shell hazel]

I can't upgrade any of them so it's basic dolls for now 😄

[whole pawn]

pvp needs 3 teams and I m sure this is only a def team

[fathom rock]

And those are 3 teams

1 of them is auto
Aka just a cp statstick

[whole pawn]

it just seems like 2

[fathom rock]

The 3rd one is just an auto comp

You tap the auto button
And It makes team for you

[whole pawn]

but also this just a def , how do I make an attack team?

[tropic summit]

since i made them already, retro teams are fine aswell, feel free to alternate if either start failing on def

grave centi cind anis rrh
blanc rh rumani tia jackal
moran xmaiden biscuit viper alice

[whole pawn]

I can't use cindrella?

[tropic summit]

with what you have, your best bet for 2 attack teams are probably indom SBS/RH and cindy 2RL

[whole pawn]

indom?

[fathom rock]

You gonna ask here before every attack based on enemy comp

[whole pawn]

[tropic summit]

it means using them with blanc

[shell hazel]

😄

[fathom rock]

Blanc makes 1 unit immortal for 10 secs
That's indom

[tropic summit]

or this @whole pawn

[shell hazel]

what is a good anti-cindy/biscuit/jackal comp? this guy keeps beating my rookie defence 😛

[whole pawn]

yeah but this doesn't really explain units to use

[tropic summit]

for atk you could use these 2

[fathom rock]

You understand it in the process
By asking questions like why or how that works
There is a pvp basics guide and all resources you need are in pins

[tropic summit]

with SBS avoid teams with p1 defender and biscuit, with cind team you can fight anyone that doesn't have 2RL noah

get familiar with RL jargon and the basics of pvp here @whole pawn

https://nikke.gg/arena-mechanics/

[whole pawn]

man do I have to read this

[vague quartz]

I'm in a predicament. Account made in summer, haven't played til the last month. So in SP arena I'm facing ppl who are 50+ levels above me.

Is it still worth to take a losing fight and lose? Or should I just not fight anyone at all?

[swift mango]

[fathom rock]

Lose to learn how to win > not trying to begin with

[shell hazel]

pvp is definitely harder with breaks

[vague quartz]

I'm mostly talking abt rewards, but isn't pvp auto? What would I learn

[shell hazel]

if you don't quick play them it's about composition

[glad meteor]

If you have meta campaign units and don’t want the bother of starting a new account then maybe

[shell hazel]

there is a sub meta for the pvp game of sorts

[vague quartz]

Yeah I'm not gonna restart my account. I'll eventually catch up, a lot of the ppl in my bracket are 160 and I'll get there soon. But I'm just trying to figure out if for now I should worry abt using the tickets or just not fighting at all

[glad meteor]

Depending on your units and investments difficulty varies. Most people just scar jack and noah biscuit another comp

[tropic summit]

check CP before running, make sure you're below 15% deficit

vigor on noise and biscuit, resil on s.anis, make sure scarlet is linked with jackal by being at least 2nd highest atk% in the lineup

[whole pawn]

ok I used th se teams on def

[swift mango]

First time I gave this a read and already found disappointment.

<Scarlet ignoring Folkwang‘s burst shield>

My sweaty waifu. 🧱

[glad meteor]

Scar blanc asuka

[fathom rock]

[whole pawn]

wait a moment

because i quit the mode and it got refreshed

[fathom rock]

[tropic summit]

i can almost taste that whale clear with la+, but why is it so RNGy

[fathom rock]

Well it's 12am I need to sleep

[tropic summit]

aye, good night retro, thanks meanwhile

[tropic summit]

it's 11PM here too

[fathom rock]

Hey good luck, ball rng is bad

[shell hazel]

no one has taken out my defences (yet) or tried to anyway lol

[fathom rock]

1st team literally any jackal in existence
T2 never bursts just run something that bursts and lives

[tropic summit]

scared em all off

[fathom rock]

Just make sure you are in cp range of opponent

[shell hazel]

haha dunno about that, still investing some

[whole pawn]

is viper a pvp unit?

[fathom rock]

Clip sg so yes

[shell hazel]

scar still not caught up with grave, working on it

[whole pawn]

teams?

[tropic summit]

she's a battery, useful to get you into 2RL on cind

[whole pawn]

and i dont think i can past him

[fathom rock]

@whole pawn run jackal+ whatever bursts and has enough cp ( no higher than 15% deficit) for t1
For T2 run centi or rumani with cp pad that can clear that has enough cp

And make sure you can burst

[oak gale]

well the current scarlet team works fine , but the other two teams not so much , most of the teams here rely on taking noah or scarlet

[tropic summit]

the team i made for you against their cind will tank the nuke and kill them afterward

as they're both 3RL

[whole pawn]

I thought ur gonna make a team xd

[fathom rock]

Example :
Jackal/sbs/grave/liter/alice
Cindy/centi/rh/naga/biscuit
Send cp

[oak gale]

the cp of team 4

[fathom rock]

If cp passes this wins

Just making sure you aren't playing higher than 15%

His teams literally have no burst regen so free wins

[whole pawn]

my first team has almost same cp, while the 2 other are less

[shell hazel]

pvp is all about bursting

cp can be less and you can win due to burst

[fathom rock]

Screw last one
In attacking only 2 matter
Cindy team how much cp?

Jackal goes vs his grave comp
Cindy go vs the doro comp
If Cindy comp higher han 193k cp free win

[shell hazel]

railtracer/retro what do you think would work well in def against this kind of comp?

jackal will link with cindy and alice I guess - biscuit is annoying but I figure I can win if I burst quicker?

[whole pawn]

it's not,
I actually won the first 2 teams

[fathom rock]

You won regardless

[whole pawn]

do I go for a D1 or chal 10?

[fathom rock]

Whatever you can chew

[whole pawn]

this is chal 10

and this is d1

[fathom rock]

Chall 10 looks doable af

Avoid jackal comp and lemme cook

[whole pawn]

help me

[fathom rock]

Sbs/alice/grave/liter/jackal vs cindy comp
Centi/biscuit/cindy/rh/rumani vs that doro comp

[whole pawn]

the first one? the jackal?

[fathom rock]

Enemy jackal grave comp you don't touch
Your jackal comp beats enemy cindy
Your cindy comp beats enemy doro

[whole pawn]

so what do I put on first?

highest cp?

[fathom rock]

Anything
Even lv1 mica

[whole pawn]

let's pray...

[fathom rock]

There is no pray
You win this easily

[whole pawn]

damn... we lost the first but won others

[fathom rock]

That was the plan

Only need to win 2/3

GGs you now ch10
I go sleep now

[whole pawn]

but how do u know what units on against who?

[keen vapor]

Mica

[whole pawn]

one more pls

[keen vapor]

Goodnight retro

[fathom rock]

You only get 2 tries

@keen vapor can you cook for him?

[whole pawn]

I have 4 coins

[fathom rock]

Save them trust

[whole pawn]

why

[fathom rock]

For future sniping

And you already ch10

[keen vapor]

[fathom rock]

[whole pawn]

so apparently I should ol those pvp units, but how about their skill prio? is it necessary?

jackal doesn't need her skill to be lvl up somehow

[keen vapor]

Nah

Overload/dolls are the main source of power

[fathom rock]

4/4/4 unless stated otherwise
And ol is for cp pad only unless stated otherwise
Let echo here help you in pvp

[oak gale]

paim

[keen vapor]

Rip

[fathom rock]

[whole pawn]

ok, thx for help, maybe tomorrow we can continue this
gn

[whole pawn]

but how does one knows what unit to use , or weither he should fight a team or not? like retro for example gave me 2 teams against a certain teams, but how did he know what units to use ?

man this pvp is far more complicated than I thought

[keen vapor]

You'll commonly want to use jackal teams if there's feeding weapons (mainly SG/MG) on the enemy side

And Noah to block enemy nuke
Or Noah biscuit to block enemy single target DPS

[keen vapor]

It really isn't until it is

[whole pawn]

but we used biscuit against doro team, which is not a st team maybe?

[keen vapor]

It only becomes complicated when you face someone who knows how to pick

[whole pawn]

jackal seems legit because there was bunny soda and naga on the other team

[keen vapor]

And what's the DPS huh? Isn't that SBS?

[whole pawn]

what does biscuit do again? smt like DMG reduction for P1?

[lunar dirge]

tf you forgor there,i only saw echo cluelessly yapping away there

[keen vapor]

Read skills

[whole pawn]

I m blind my head is empty

[lunar dirge]

thats where we're stop

[keen vapor]

Read

[bleak shale]

doro the only time doro was used was when she was bugged and no1 could attack u

[whole pawn]

just tell me

[whole pawn]

fine

biscuit gives invincibility to a Defender?

[keen vapor]

Yeh

[whole pawn]

mmmm so that's why centi was used , cuz she s Defender

but how are u sure centi would be targeted as invincible, she needs to be half hp

[keen vapor]

Centi also fast to charge burst, but yes, you can do centi biscuit tricks

[whole pawn]

that's what retro suggests me against doro team

[keen vapor]

Targeting is P1 for the most part

[lunar dirge]

usually used to block enemy defender sg's on sr's on p5 with biscu

[whole pawn]

.

[keen vapor]

Yes

[whole pawn]

is this some sort of hidden mechanic?

[lunar dirge]

No

[keen vapor]

Well, is a mechanic, that should be figured out on the first tries

[lunar dirge]

It's literally the base

[keen vapor]

#1153017654332883055

[lunar dirge]

Of this mode

[whole pawn]

so defenders are always targeted when being P1?

[keen vapor]

Just anyone

[lunar dirge]

No, p1 in general

[keen vapor]

[whole pawn]

but the guide says they start with p5, not p1

[keen vapor]

In SG case

[whole pawn]

and snipers

[keen vapor]

Everyone else is P1

[keen vapor]

That's for attack side only

[whole pawn]

[swift mango]

SG atk p5 when out in def team

SR atK p5 when put in atK team.

Rest atK p1.

[glad meteor]

Much simpler compared to the days where we had to deal with target skip, whiff and residual

Had to take off CS of all my RLs just to fix that too

🧱

[keen vapor]

Those times

[keen vapor]

Hai

[finite wedge]

did residual damage really finally get fixed?

I saw it mentioned in patch notes a while back but didn't fully believe it

[glad meteor]

Yeah

[wise horizon]

Blanc centi jackal rumani Cinderella?

[grizzled bone]

imagine taking off CS instead of just getting more CS

[glad meteor]

I lost combat power when taking cs off too

[coarse lake]

if blanc is linked sure

[glad meteor]

Differing CS gave me differing results. Never could figure out how to take advantage

[grizzled bone]

yeah i didnt want to take off CS despite it being the easiest/most cost effective solution

just rolled for more

[glad meteor]

I thought it was a feature

Not a bug

Now there’s no repercussions to stacking CS

[keen vapor]

Time to do an alt? : Noir stare:

[glad meteor]

Already got an alt

[keen vapor]

:deadge:

[glad meteor]

Time to suffer all again

[umbral belfry]

first time being in top 3 (until tomorrow) thank you guys for all your tips

[valid fern]

how exactly does taunt mechanics work when there's two taunters on a team, for example Noah and Noise. Does taunt get overwritten by the slower taunter?

[keen vapor]

Don't skip battles, that procs bug more frequently

You attack the same teams?

[finite wedge]

I think I'm overdue for SP defense team updating, would anyone mind cooking?

when I've had the issue I noticed it was when I attacked one specific team in one person in my bracket

[keen vapor]

@quick lake @tropic summit you guys got the taunt screen?

[valid fern]

whats that

[keen vapor]

A screenshot of taunt notes

[quick lake]

gimme a sec

@keen vapor @valid fern

[valid fern]

tyvm

[coarse lake]

there is a bit of nuance here, taunt debuffs seem to prioritize longer duration, not just latest applicator

rumani always steals taunt from noise and noah

so there's still some stuff we're not fully sure on

[keen vapor]

:susge:

[quick lake]

Yeah, Attract overrides taunt okay ignore me. Idk what im talking about

[glad meteor]

Taunt debuff overrides attract

[quick lake]

@tropic summit Noise + Bay + SBS set up (3RL Noise + Bay vs 4RL Opponent)

Both Noise and Moran works perfectly well with Bay. However, I think in Noise case, cover takes quite a lot more dmg (because no Moran's dmg reduction), so u can see in this vid Bay's cover dropping quite fast

[keen vapor]

My Moran Bay team is strong then?

[quick lake]

I think its a great combo

I think like what Merry said, Moran Bay kinda RNG. It is mostly praying that from Bay's burst to opponent's burst 3 nuke, cover is not destroyed.

So bursting very early with Bay team i.e. 2.5RL Bay vs 4RL opponent team, decent chance that cover gets destroyed and no nuke protection

[glad meteor]

Just need the dps

[quick lake]

If opponent's team have have high basic attack units like Laplace/Emilia/xMaiden/SGs, might be tough

[glad meteor]

If team slow maybe better to run nuke team

[quick lake]

Maybe we get a new cover boosting pvp unit soon

[graceful grotto]

man i just lost to a bay team

[quick lake]

Should be able to work in most cases counters against all scarlet, and most cindy teams. Moran + Bay is one of my CA teams too

[graceful grotto]

Rumani-Bay-Biscuit-SBS-one more unit i forget

tried cindy but couldnt nuke em down

[glad meteor]

Noise maybe

[quick lake]

Moran Bay provides slightly more defence (1.79x eHP) vs Noise Bay (1.63x eHP)

[keen vapor]

[umbral crown]

now people cooking with bay

[valid fern]

wow their biscuit died so early from splash damage.

I wonder what the result wouldve been if they placed her somewhere else

Bay haters suddenly quiet

[glad meteor]

Wonder what bay vs ssakura looks like

Should be similar to cindy

No one uses ssakura though

[quick lake]

Rosy likes ssakura

[glad meteor]

He’s gotta core 7 next summer rerun

[graceful grotto]

everyone does

[keen vapor]

Cooking

...... Oi
Invest that Noah give her overload

[quick lake]

T1: Scarlet Centi RH Noir Jackal
T2: Blanc SBS Biscuit Emilia Rumani
T3: Noah Cindy Laplace xMaiden Noise

[keen vapor]

You can swap Grave for Crown for higher CP but it will become 4 RL

[keen vapor]

A

[quick lake]

Pls OL Rumani too

[graceful grotto]

no

[keen vapor]

Yes

[quick lake]

Now u have 2 different cooks! choose whichever works

Moran Grave Cindy?

[keen vapor]

I like my Moran like I like my coffee

With nukes

[quick lake]

True. Moran is great

[keen vapor]

one buff Scarlet

[quick lake]

No one is gonna SR15 their scarlet or OL pvp units

[vapid lake]

I would

https://tenor.com/view/if-i-had-one-angry-yelling-fairly-odd-parents-mr-turner-gif-16322274

[quick lake]

[keen vapor]

I do fear he's from first anni

[vapid lake]

Well my rule of thumb is dps = sr15
Tank/unit that go in pos 1 = sr5
Everyone else sr0

[quick lake]

Well, my cooks are based on flawed assumptions as always

[vapid lake]

[keen vapor]

It means he's missing 20-40 levels unless he hoards

He joined server in April tho

[quick lake]

CA gonna give doll mats. Every one gonna have SR5

[keen vapor]

But he has Emilia

[quick lake]

🧱

like me

[vapid lake]

No way if they give out more doll mats they cant tempt ppl to buy $100 package

[quick lake]

It incentivises ppl to buy more doll mats to compete in pvp

[keen vapor]

Nah, I'd SR5 everyone

[vapid lake]

How bout u open ur core dust boxes first

[keen vapor]

Nihilister!

[swift mango]

They would sell more doll mats instead

[strong hull]

Wakey wakey

You know the drill

[swift mango]

How did you calculate this? Did you count Noise Max HP buff also buff up Bay cover when she burst?

[quick lake]

I dont think Noise Max HP buff, buffs Bay's cover (not tested) cause Bay's skill is castor's HP and not final HP
For the effective HP calculation, Moran dmg 35% dmg reduction is equal to 1/(100%-35%) = 1.53 increase in HP vs 1.49 of Noise buff

[indigo path]

any quick rookie attack lineup updates i can make

[finite wedge]

she only showed up recently, I don't think I've changed anything since around the 1.5 anniversary. what skill levels should Noah have?

[umbral crown]

give me yours

[indigo path]

i like a lazy bread and butter one so i can breeze through fights

[quick lake]

So Moran Bay is: 1/ (100%-35%-8.8%) = 1.79x eHP (summing tgt the dmg reductions from both)
Noise Bay is: 1.49/ (100%-8.8%) = 1.63x eHP (doesnt take into account Noise buffing cover, if it does at all)

I mostly referenced Keripo's calcs here
#pvp-arena message

[umbral crown]

[finite wedge]

thank you both Echo and @quick lake, I will give both of those sets a go

[umbral crown]

[keen vapor]

Noah 4/4/4 is enough

It really is about overloads/doll

~~same with Centi ~~

[keen vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1026322546934698004.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=whyyysnapped

[finite wedge]

same with Rumani/Moran?

[keen vapor]

Blanc/emi/RH/biscuit/jackal

[keen vapor]

Yes, and Bay
Bay's future looking brighter each day

[coarse lake]

pvp getting rough, whales getting fatter

nearly at cp diff for both of my teams today against the fatter one

it's only time before I get full cp diffed on at least 2 teams

[quick lake]

Yeah mine too

[coarse lake]

having to use my pve cubes on like every fight for cp

[indigo path]

ty boss ur the goat

[keen vapor]

This happened to me instantly

[coarse lake]

well you're starving yourself on purpose, you don't count

[quick lake]

can be solved by opening boxes

[keen vapor]

~~I do not advise being good at rookie however ~~

[indigo path]

yeah that's why i just want a bread and butter team haha

[quick lake]

Im rank 30 in rookie, rank 1 in SPA

[coarse lake]

if they wanna cp diff me, they should do it cleanly and by such a margin that I can't catch up without whaling myself or super high pvp invest, so I don't get tempted

[keen vapor]

[coarse lake]

I'm fine with not being able to hit a whale bc 2 teams in deep cp diff, I know I did my besht

[keen vapor]

Same :frog sip:

[coarse lake]

if I can't beat a team that I'm not cp diffed at, now that's where I get tilted

[glad meteor]

I just realised how bricked I was in outpost on alt

[coarse lake]

how did that happen

[glad meteor]

Pushed like 4-5 chapters

[quick lake]

Testing teams in rookie and lost too many times

[coarse lake]

throwing away arena tickets smh

be like me, get other ppl to test comps for you whenever possible

most of your rookie arena tickets are actually from winning fights

or just test in sp, no punishment really

[keen vapor]

what he meant by that

[coarse lake]

who knows

[keen vapor]

Reverse doro

[quick lake]

Yeah, will climb up my rookie tmr

[finite wedge]

me? no, I started January 2024. in terms of just raw sync level I think I'm about on par with everyone in my bracket save for the whales at the very top

sorry just read that

[keen vapor]

Oh yes, that's very good

[finite wedge]

the challengers are all 320-350 except for the top dog who's 405

[keen vapor]

Just like me

[quasi prism]

@keen vapor I think it's time to redo my attack teams

[quick lake]

Work time Echo

[keen vapor]

: Blanc stare:

[quasi prism]

Assume everyone below poli is 30k power

I own everything besides red hood, I don't own any of the units before summer sak/rosanna(in terms of abnormal)

[keen vapor]

But what's the target

[quasi prism]

Sp arena

[keen vapor]

I need the target

[quasi prism]

Oh as in the person

[keen vapor]

[quasi prism]

This is the first one, the other one has my number 3 spot

Was just pushed down to 9

And lost one of my battles to the glitch

Like i could move these around and take 6 back with little to no issue i imagine

The other guy who has my number 3 spot has similar teams

[loud sonnet]

I think he already give up

[vapid lake]

Nah he just hasnt attacked u yet

Check again in 2 hr

[wanton island]

hey guys. can someone help me improve my arena teams? i asked a month ago and ive always got to top 10 after adjusting but im now losing to people with lower levels than me

these are my current teams...

here are the nikkes i have...

[quick lake]

Max 4 attachments, Screenshot in landscape

[wanton island]

sorry all. ive just relied on you guys to help me make my best teams as im not very good at this game

[glad meteor]

Not claiming arena tickets

[quick lake]

T1: Scar Centi RH Naga Jackal
T2: Blanc SBS Biscuit Pepper xMaiden
T3: Noise Grave Alice Rapunzel Sugar

[wanton island]

like this?

[quick lake]

Yep! Just swap T2 order, xMaiden in 5th position

[wanton island]

xmaiden with pepper?

[quick lake]

Yep!

[wanton island]

thanks fam. sorry. im just terrible at knowing the girls and you guys always do me right

[quick lake]

No worries

[finite wedge]

not sure what to think here

[keen vapor]

I guess I got a new guy in town