pvp-arena

[tropic summit]

i was thinking of these 2 matchups so far

but if their T3 is 2RL, that's gonna fail 🤔

rather just go for their scarlet team instead

[swift mango]

Noah+Biscuit+SBS+Anis+Rumani

For team 3

Easy win

[tropic summit]

hmm

[quick lake]

Can run delayed Cindy comp as well
Moran/Rumani Blanc Biscuit Cindy flex, for T3

[tropic summit]

probably rheax option is safer because if they're 2RL, you'd still survive? 🤔

[swift mango]

Rumani is fine

Moran and you won't be able to burst in time

[quick lake]

Yeah, moran might be abit too slow

Cindy vs cindy ezpz, just burst second

[tropic summit]

so if we remove moran from the equation, what you'd place instead?

[quick lake]

Rumani Blanc Biscuit Cindy Flex, can be SAnis or anything

[gaunt viper]

emi has the lowest health of everyone. Noir and RH have the highest atk then Emi tho first 2 are both around 114k, then emi at 98k

[glad meteor]

I made new bay comp. Just need CS

[tropic summit]

oh ok that'd be a problem with jackal link

we could just throw an xmaiden instead then

[swift mango]

Imagine their Cindy has 20% CS.

[quick lake]

Bay 17% cs not worth it but im doing it

[tropic summit]

the odds of that haha

[quick lake]

Shouldnt even matter, cause cindy is auto fire

[glad meteor]

[quick lake]

Cindy is 0.255 burst gen per shot fyi. So probably need 2-4 more shots

[gaunt viper]

xmaiden hasn't been invested in other than skill of 4/7/7

[swift mango]

The first Charge shot out early causing the later one shot early as well, just enough for that team from 2.2rl to 2rl? 🤔

[quick lake]

There are alot of team comps which give u 3x 2.5RL for SP

[tropic summit]

nah it's fine we got crown afterall

[quick lake]

idk how big a difference. cs even more useless on cindy cause se only charges once

[glad meteor]

Yeah, since 3RL is easy now

[tropic summit]

i'd go with this then, based on @swift mango and @quick lake suggestion

@gaunt viper

if you wanna record it just in case, so we see if they've sneaky 2.5RL somewhere

[quick lake]

Many rocks for 17%

[swift mango]

Yes but on that very very close to 2rl team it could make a difference

[glad meteor]

3% is ez so slacc pve. Just hope

[swift mango]

With my luck it's gonna be at least 40 a nikke... Not to mention reduced CP.

[gaunt viper]

alright i will

[tropic summit]

the variables i see are either really running 4 quantums on T3 and an emilia on 21% CS

but let's see

[swift mango]

Wait wait ASS on ScarJack???

[quick lake]

Look at this OP line up

[tropic summit]

T2 is just thrown together, we going T1 and T3

[gaunt viper]

only Quantum on Jackal?

[tropic summit]

although

we could go for 3 wins 🤔

[swift mango]

Centi+Noah+Anis+XMaiden+Noise for t2

[tropic summit]

yeah was thinking something with xmaiden

or SBS since it's indom 🤔

their xmaiden is not invested

[glad meteor]

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

this instead?

[quick lake]

Can swap T3's Blanc to another defender, make T2 Blanc + SAnis or similar

If we wanna go for the 3 wins

[swift mango]

Maybe

[gaunt viper]

Blanc is in both t1 and t3 🤔

[tropic summit]

quantum on jackal and rumani

[quick lake]

Best is 17% on clip RLs, then xMaiden and Laplace next. Noise imo also quite good. I dont see alot of teams that need 17% biscuit

[swift mango]

Just use

Noah+Biscuit+SBS+Centi+Rumani on T3.

Easy win honestly.

[glad meteor]

Imagine having lap+

[tropic summit]

well that's an option, being 2.5RL and assuming they don't 2RL 🤔

[swift mango]

The team I mentioned was 2rl though?

[tropic summit]

@gaunt viper run this i guess

you're guaranteed to block their cindy nuke

(regardless of CS%)

double check CP then go

[quasi prism]

@keen vapor

[keen vapor]

[quasi prism]

https://i.gyazo.com/900889d29d4bd3f7e2d361003f5626db.png

https://i.gyazo.com/a818bbdafa6a616d0486ebc649b275cb.png

Started to work on noise today

[quasi prism]

[keen vapor]

Maybe i should have done that instead of Moran

I can't even hold C6 anymore :deadge:

[quasi prism]

I'm just going to go down the prio list, It's what I've been doing this whole time for my units

[swift mango]

I invested in them both.... But Moran is only used for attacking for now

Not enough CP on her.

[gaunt viper]

Take your Michelin stars you've earned them 🔥

[raven plover]

my moran still lv 1, 111 no OL

[keen vapor]

[quasi prism]

The only two "meta" one's I've skipped for now is snow white and maxwell.

[tropic summit]

say thanks to @swift mango and @quick lake , the last suggestion was theirs

[quasi prism]

Snow doesn't have all of her gear atm, and maxwell I just honestly don't need her currently.

[gaunt viper]

I was about to as well. they've made a fine contribution to this masterpiece

[tropic summit]

@swift mango fascinating that crown even lives, that'd be perfect for post ICBM funzies

[glad meteor]

What level is your quantum

[gaunt viper]

lvl 7

[glad meteor]

[swift mango]

Yeah my crown won me many Blanc duels.

[tropic summit]

btw congrats, you just tested a possible 4th defense team, although emi on defense is overall easier to counter

you can keep it in mind if they ever breach your defense, might earn you some more free wins (until they figure it out)

[quick lake]

Moran + Bay trust

[keen vapor]

[gaunt viper]

I'm glad, this testing was easier than the last time i was testing for a few days straight

Blood remembers prob lol

[quick lake]

Moran Rumani Bay SBS flex (3RL), very good trust

[keen vapor]

My SBS has 16% attack, it won't work

[quasi prism]

But thank you echo, rail and blood for the info for making my defense stronger 😉

[quick lake]

u dont need that invested SBS i think SBS still has highest sustain dmg overall

[tropic summit]

sbs self buffs are also pretty strong on their own 🤔

[swift mango]

This would needs a Rapu as flex I think

Don't have Rapu so never tested.

[keen vapor]

Goodbye to my credits, Bay please get good overload

[quick lake]

Not really actually. The team surprisingly is tanky enough to not need heals

The comp can survive, Blanc Emi, Noise + Cindy, and all scar

[prisma marlin]

19 hours left

[quasi prism]

Oh I ran through chapter 33

[prisma marlin]

[quasi prism]

that shit was easy

[swift mango]

Hmm... I think it would flop vs a real stall team though.

[keen vapor]

Don't laugh guys, it's my last credits

[quick lake]

Hmm possibly depends if sbs can deal enough dmg I guess

[tropic summit]

uh surprisingly biscuitless too 🤔

[quick lake]

Biscuit just makes it wayy more reliable

[gaunt viper]

[quick lake]

U gotta rank 1st in SPA too

[prisma marlin]

Realizing Im still a baby pvp tier

[gaunt viper]

can't, my 1st is a hell of a whale

[swift mango]

The rank 1 in my rookie even spending gem to not getting hit.

[keen vapor]

I rather do Moran Bay Anis :deadge: Rumani is 0 overload as well

[gaunt viper]

he's got me over 600k CP overall

[tropic summit]

as long as CP willing it works, it's good enough

[prisma marlin]

Lol not happening

[quick lake]

Moran Bay gotta be one of my fav team

[raven plover]

why bay

[quick lake]

Solid pvp work

[swift mango]

What is your Moran skill levels?

[gaunt viper]

it's honest work lol. tho I've never seen this guy be anything but 1st

[quick lake]

I think 7/7/10, yeh it is

[swift mango]

Yeah, that's the Moran Echo doesn't have and the opposite of his level vs his enemies.

[quick lake]

@keen vapor Just give up on Moran then, work on noise

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/matsuoka-shuzo-never-give-up-motivation-japan-asiatic-clams-gif-16195359

[keen vapor]

6/10/10

[quick lake]

Thats really good

[tropic summit]

it's actually fairly close to the same deal, on skills

[swift mango]

Your Moran evolved from last time I asked I think.

[keen vapor]

Not with Crown feed

[swift mango]

[quick lake]

Any defence OLs?

[keen vapor]

Nah, lines are terrible

Somehow still higher CP than Emilia

[quick lake]

Cp impt too

[swift mango]

If her CP is huge you could try Moran+Lv60p2+Cindy.

Gotta work on your Lv too.

[keen vapor]

Now that I'm dropping to C8 i have to invest everything

: Quiry huh:

[swift mango]

Well, they could not bringing any RL and let you burst with Quiry. If you put lv60 Quiry in p2.

[keen vapor]

She isn't summer anis level either....

Quiry

I got welcomed by Quiry event

[swift mango]

Before 1st anni? That's too early for your level

[keen vapor]

?? Too early

[swift mango]

Duck got into the game at Moran event and same level as you.

Oh wait, a bit higher, like almost 10.

[keen vapor]

Where is he he whale

[keen vapor]

a reminder that i still have leftovers of core dust

Yeah, this bad

[swift mango]

You are more bricked than I thought.

Quiry event was mid October so you should start at about later October.

I started at very end of February or very early March. That too much time for a 20 level difference.

[keen vapor]

I'm not

[swift mango]

In retrospect, it's good that you are still top 10 despite all that.

[keen vapor]

How this looking

[swift mango]

Darn that amount of gem though. You will never need any gem from Arena

[keen vapor]

I NEED

FOR CORE 7 IKAROS

[glad meteor]

[swift mango]

This isn't even 3rl

[keen vapor]

:deadge: it's over

[white compass]

Any weaknesses in their team? This lil shit keeps aiming for me and then losing my diamond 3 spot.

[quick lake]

And also Bay in P2 loses her cover fast, so she isn’t that effective in blocking dmg

[keen vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1026322546934698004.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=whyyysnapped

[glad meteor]

Round 1 is alright. Though mirror with noise noah scalter probably secure a win
Round 2 low burst gen. Double buffer scar jack and win
Round 3 is just cp def so any decent team will win. Don’t need to emi nuke

[glad meteor]

Bay doesn’t do anything off burst

[swift mango]

Nah I'd win

[keen vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1026322546934698004.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=whyyysnapped

[white compass]

Oh also I don't generally ever need to attack. So my attack teams suck. Here are my def teams

[keen vapor]

Bay doll still R10
And two gears got a single line

[swift mango]

Reroll

[glad meteor]

Looks alright Maybe cindy better in t3 though

[swift mango]

I just used 2 rock to reroll and 2 single line just now so I stopped.

Too bad luck to try more

[keen vapor]

13 rocks

[swift mango]

Yeah try

[keen vapor]

Goodbye charge damage

Pog 2 rocks

[white compass]

Who would you swap w/?

[keen vapor]

You guys sure about this?

Is Bay, not Moran but....

[white compass]

How are these attack teams anything I can adjust?

[glad meteor]

I’d swap cindy for scalter. Though scalter forces noah biscuit

[fickle swift]

Is this defense team good? I feel like I kept getting attacked, is my second team my weakness?

[white compass]

I'm going off of outdated advice ... So lots to judge lol 😂

[glad meteor]

Attack teams depend on the enemy, so can’t judge.

[swift mango]

Gratz

[white compass]

My one enemy is this damn fk who keeps taking my spot just to lose it to someone else in a few hours lol. Whereas for some reason I can defend for days.

[glad meteor]

Jackal scalter teams are kind of bad since they lose to instant nukes, unlees they have blanc noah or bay, bay is kind of cope though.

[keen vapor]

That's not even Scarlet Alter

Scarlet with no buffs = bad

[swift mango]

T1 doesn't look even 3rl.

T2 could be fine.

T3 SBS gonna ded without protection

So surprisingly, your T2 is the only one that could win without CP gap or vs very bad team.

[fickle swift]

Yeah I'm betting for that team to burst first but I think if attacked by Noah it will lose lol

[fickle swift]

Sadly can't do much in T1 since the guy that kept beat me use a similiar comp I've tried changing Cindy with S. Anis and SBS but they kept loosing

[fickle swift]

Honestly surprised always thought that one is the weakest lol

[swift mango]

SBS doesn't deal dmg fast enough. So even if she burst 0.5 faster she would still lose to a lower Drunk Scarlet.

[glad meteor]

We can run slower teams against scalter if she’s in p1.

Noah filler biscuit dps b1 (no taunt)

[quick lake]

Bay doesnt really need lines

[fickle swift]

Thankfully the one that kept beating me ran drunk scarlet without healer so I can still win using that team against her

[fickle swift]

But if I put C. Anne in front I don't think she can last before her burst tho

[glad meteor]

Noah can taunt scalter in p1/2

Impossible to reposition comp if redhood there

[swift mango]

Ugh...

[fickle swift]

My team can win attacking 3 team in a row but he just change the Noah team so it would always bursting just a bit after me making his Noah invincibility last longer than me is there any counter to that?

[swift mango]

This is for Emilia... Not sure if I should lock

[fickle swift]

This is his team, if I ran with pepper I would win but if he change his Anis to moran I would lose and I need to change my Pepper at this stage is this just rock paper scissors?

[quick lake]

Tough

[fickle swift]

Dang it so scratch the teams if against Noah

[keen vapor]

I need padding

[quick lake]

If u really want to pvp can try 17% cs on clip RLs

[swift mango]

What do you think ?

[keen vapor]

I'm close with two

[keen vapor]

That still lacks attack

And that's more important in PVP

[quick lake]

wow pretty toughie

Yeah, might favor atk. Might reroll values instead

[keen vapor]

There are few fire units in PVP

[quick lake]

My guess is that Blanc + 44% atk emi should be able to ohko…

[glad meteor]

if they use Moran for anis that team is probably 4rl. Unless your noise has taunt prio making their team 3rl

[swift mango]

What about this?

[keen vapor]

tempting

[quick lake]

Take, best of both

Maybe lose abit of cp, but should be fine

[swift mango]

Should I lock 2 and try for 3rd line?

[white compass]

Ah man I feel like this attempt will be booty cheeks lol, should I swap team 2 pepper for liter for buff? Eh...

[keen vapor]

30%

Not with lower than 40 rocks

[glad meteor]

[quick lake]

No

I’ll never fish for line 3

[glad meteor]

Their team looks 2rl if noise has taunt prio

[swift mango]

CP pad at least

[quick lake]

If u’re fine with any line, maybe… hmmm

Expensive rocks, u do u

[coarse lake]

this is a surprise, is their cindy weak?

[glad meteor]

I don’t consider pepper a buffer i think

[quick lake]

Not really if u look. Its RH + SAnis buff. Sure he’s lower CP, but I would think this comp should survive an equal synced Noise Cindy opponent

[swift mango]

[quick lake]

Gamba paid off!!

[glad meteor]

Emi has no protection on team 3 to nuke

[white compass]

Same I just wanted to burst before em cause I took too long killing them last time. Their Blanc had Sanis solo all 5 of my members with 1 hp and no one else and I lost lol

[coarse lake]

bay should be providing minimal sustain by herself

[keen vapor]

Summer anis buff too slow for Cindy nuke i thought?

[coarse lake]

so you're essentially tanking it with just moran b1

[swift mango]

She will never get 20% CS without s1 at this rate

[quick lake]

oh not sure about this

[coarse lake]

it won't buff cindy main hits

[keen vapor]

[quick lake]

Moran alone isnt able to tank

[keen vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1026322546934698004.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=whyyysnapped

[glad meteor]

Bay blocking one hit probably goes a long way

[swift mango]

Now this one

[coarse lake]

oh you got almost 30 sync advantage

[quick lake]

Man, u’re pretty hardcore

[coarse lake]

nvm yeah it's probable

[quick lake]

Yeah possibly why

I’ll try a more even sync and report back

[swift mango]

Well, I will do this later. When I save more.

[coarse lake]

yeah their rh buffed cindy is about a bit stronger than my unbuffed cindy

except my cindy is at 30 sync deficit

yeah ig moran bay with no biscuit is viable when you got sync adv

[quick lake]

So it’s just their cindy uninvested

[coarse lake]

I do remember losing pretty soundly using something similar to bscar god sustain comp against a whale using essentially same comp but with bay instead of noah

none of their units were remotely close to dying

[keen vapor]

Ugh, Bay needs that cover HP from SR doll

[coarse lake]

she shouldn't really

big hits 1 tap it anyway

[keen vapor]

Time to use selector

[coarse lake]

brotherman are you kidding

[keen vapor]

I do Bay P2

[keen vapor]

:Rouge Stare:

[quick lake]

I used my selector on Bay

[coarse lake]

[keen vapor]

Doll selector

[coarse lake]

are all your key pve units purple dolled

[swift mango]

I had to combine 4 selectors for SR RL thus far because my luck with SR RL suck..

[coarse lake]

also when are you gonna fight that guy

[keen vapor]

Yes.... Wait, not Liter

[coarse lake]

liter doesn't count

then ig you're fine

[swift mango]

Liter still need that dmg reduction.

[coarse lake]

not anymore, just use rapipi instead

[keen vapor]

When I can hold position

I'm losing too much

[glad meteor]

You think noise jackal sanis bay biscuit can beat cindy comps if same RL?

[swift mango]

Maybe, Noise need to link with Jackal though

[quick lake]

Noise + Bay doesnt work weirdly

[glad meteor]

[swift mango]

Biscuit

[glad meteor]

This is one buffer emi i found from JP channel

[swift mango]

Biscuit+Bay+Jackal should tank Cindy just fine

[keen vapor]

Noise still limit breakless

[quick lake]

Will go try when I have attempts

[keen vapor]

I think I'm going to go Adjutant level 7 right now for Rapunzel

[glad meteor]

I feel like it may lose though. if that vid above was against emi. Cindy will be stronger

[swift mango]

Nvm I thought RH win. But RH Emi lost is Normal.

[keen vapor]

Ugh, can't buy more than 50 a day

[quick lake]

Moran + Bay can survive Blanc Emi with SR dolls. But so far nothing survives Emilia RH Blanc

[glad meteor]

Put a Ludmilla p4/5

[quick lake]

[swift mango]

Cindy+Noise+Quiry could

[quick lake]

Hm maybe

[swift mango]

Especially with biscuit. Maybe not needing Quiry.

Defender with Biscuit often survive Emi nuke if tanky enough. In this case, noise help.

[keen vapor]

Yes, i wanted to try that

Never got enough mats for it

[glad meteor]

I ran against a team

Noah noise cind biscuit jackal

Noah cind jackal link

Emi blanc loses

With biscuit s2 they survive long enough

[keen vapor]

I can't level up more R dolls

[swift mango]

You would need to try 2 buffs Emi, as 1 buff Emi losing is normal.

[glad meteor]

I used emi blanc rh crown jackal

The jackal dividing the hits give biscuit time to put s2 on. Also depends on biscuit placement I think

[swift mango]

🤔

The Dmg share could also put Cindy on Biscuit s2 before Emi nuke even landed.

[quick lake]

Opponent's team survived the nuke?

[swift mango]

Could you fight again and record?

[glad meteor]

I got the vid

[quick lake]

Jackal should still die no? Likely Emilia pressured Noah and Cindy, so both of them should have the invuln

[swift mango]

Then post 👍

[quick lake]

Biscuit Invuln

Fighting in deficit? Emilia not doing any dmg at all

[glad meteor]

Nah, that team is pretty high combat power. We’re similar sync

[swift mango]

I guess it's defending on placement. But Idk if it's dmg share magic or their defenders are just that tanky.

[quick lake]

From the vid, Noah and Jackal hadnt even proc the invuln cause emi isnt doing enough dmg

[coarse lake]

notice how much they healed from s2

[swift mango]

Cindy Nuke is 2 hits, right?

[coarse lake]

I think the nuke nearly killed them

[glad meteor]

I think the biscuit need to be after jackal

[swift mango]

Yeah. But that's doesn't prove if their defender is tanky or the dmg share did magic.

[glad meteor]

yeah 2 each

[coarse lake]

they're tanky

the fact that p1 noah didn't get close to 50% preburst is proof

[swift mango]

I think it was the dmg share after all. Because I don't believe a defender+Noise survive 3 buff Cindy.

[coarse lake]

I've seen other vids where p1 noah did reach 50% pre-burst

[glad meteor]

Noah jackal linked too

[coarse lake]

and btw they couldn't win against 2 buff emi

so this only works if your units are naturally much tankier

[swift mango]

Well, Noah was linked

XD

[coarse lake]

ah

yeah that would do it

[swift mango]

That was one weir dream where Defender> Supporter ATK

[coarse lake]

all 3 defenders being linked can probably live it yeah

the 3 tankiest on the team, and if none trigger it pre-burst, got good odds

although the fact that cindy still died means it must have been close?

or... nuke dmg updates left to right

[quick lake]

so weird. Maybe one of the buffs didnt proc

[coarse lake]

so noah gets hit first, maybe didn't drop below due to link, jackal gets hit second (in the link), all 3 linked drop below, since cindy is highest max hp, jackal noah get immune, then cindy receives the hit, dies

[swift mango]

I mean, it's probably shared dmg counting each dmg instant for biscuit to trigger, like K said.

So it was actually only 1/3 of 1 Emi dmg instant that made their DEfender close to 1 HP. Maybe.

[coarse lake]

yeah it's either 1/3rd or 2/3rds of nuke triggering, then cindy died once the dmg to cindy updated to cindy

[quick lake]

I should try this

[coarse lake]

well it does make sense if you think about it, not all the shared dmg is done to each as a single number, a hit to a linked unit is 3 separate hits for each unit

so it makes sense it could update between them

the trick ig is to just make sure you're bulky enough that noah doesn't get invuln early

[swift mango]

For Rookie only.

If you use all 3 best b1-2 in one team in SP then you are cooked.

[coarse lake]

hmm

p5 cindy seems optimal, essentially negates enemy SR dmg since they hit decoy, so your linked units don't reach 50% early

problem is where to put noah so she doesn't trigger

[graceful grotto]

why are we the same

[coarse lake]

it's either noise/jackal/noah/biscuit/cindy or noise/noah/biscuit/jackal/cindy

[graceful grotto]

[coarse lake]

both have issues, in setup 1 you take a lot of dmg from splash, jackal/cindy might get invuln early

setup 2 noah probably gets invuln

or just make your noah linked

[keen vapor]

so many investments needed

[coarse lake]

but that messes up other comps

[swift mango]

I used my 200 Silver to get Nosie to 1 star

[graceful grotto]

rapipi lvl 6 R doll atm lmao

also i'm OL-ing tove first now, i want max ammo for her lol

gonna prolly work on centi after her or smth idk lol

[keen vapor]

Yeah

But Noah dupes rarer

[graceful grotto]

but ur noah still not mlb

[swift mango]

Yeah, I would put Noah dupe on her. IF I HAVE HER

[keen vapor]

Can't make decisions either

[swift mango]

So the issue here is How would you beat the T1 in this Video?

[glad meteor]

Replace blanc with noah

[swift mango]

Yeah, I guess you could out stall it?

Quiry meta rise up.

[glad meteor]

That comp is why i decided to build bay

I only have 1 noah

[coarse lake]

you're not outstalling that comp unless you have a dedicated b3 dps that bursts second

and with supports that can solo sustain to that point

[keen vapor]

Yeah, i always lose those Emilia comps

[swift mango]

Noah+Noise+Quiry+RH+Biscuit

The classic Quiry meme

[glad meteor]

Could maybe use a slow biscuit cindy team

[keen vapor]

Why RH...

[coarse lake]

so you don't need a second separate b1

[swift mango]

RH to kill them on 2nd burst

[coarse lake]

hm

[glad meteor]

Need enemy noise to have taunt prio or not burst fast enough

[coarse lake]

that team needs to get to 3rl

[glad meteor]

Or red hood CS Stack

[swift mango]

Well, maybe Jackal could work.

[coarse lake]

hmm

[glad meteor]

Redhood get’s cs on s1

[coarse lake]

also worried about rh dmg output

you'll trigger their biscuit s2 during rh's shooting

[glad meteor]

How much cs for hood 4 hit’s on 3rl though

[coarse lake]

so you're gonna be relying on rh random shooting instead of sticky shooting from accidental shooting range

[swift mango]

RH is enough when their team can't burst on 2nd rotation

[coarse lake]

you still gotta deal with biscuit s2 and cindy decoy

[swift mango]

Noise+Noah+Quiry+RH+Jackal should win.

[glad meteor]

Position rh so her extended range get’s taken adv of

[coarse lake]

esp since they'll be at basically max hp going into second burst

[swift mango]

Need Noise linked though

[coarse lake]

I'm not confident in such a setup, will need someone to actually test that

[swift mango]

Then can't do a 2nd full burst so it's fine.

[coarse lake]

yeah they won't burst second time, but they prob still live through entire rh burst

esp if you get sticky targeting

after that it's prob down to sustain, but I'm sure one of the teams will flop over before either even get to 3rd

[swift mango]

Not really biscuit would also spent the 10 second of normal attack between burst.

[coarse lake]

your first burst won't be doing any dmg

[swift mango]

It's essentially 5 vanilla nikke

[coarse lake]

their noise easily outheals

[swift mango]

Yeah. But you need at least another 10 second of normal attack before burst 2nd time.

In that time Noah will be put to invulnerable at least once.

[coarse lake]

shouldn't it be about 3 rl of inbetween time for both teams if no one dies

well ig reloads would hurt it a bit, but shouldn't take more than 5 sec

[swift mango]

Countdown between each full burst is 20 second

Burst burst last 10s

Can't be faster than 10 sec

[coarse lake]

if noise retains taunt post-burst, you end first full burst with no one really taking much dmg (esp if noah is out of splash range)

[swift mango]

Maybe could replace Noise with Rapunzel for better healing.

[coarse lake]

if noah grabs taunt an is unlinked, yeah probably eats invulns

yeah I'll have to see someone try it to believe it

esp since resorting to such setups likely means they're tanky enough for emi setups to not work to begin with, so they're likely gonna be super tanky

[swift mango]

Note that P4 RH can't be taunted by Noah s3 and will keep hitting P5.

Until it ded.

[coarse lake]

it'll have to go through cindy decoy first

[swift mango]

Neither Noise nor Noah taunt on hit could hit RH either

[coarse lake]

your team also has the issue of noah holding the line for long enough

[swift mango]

RH Normal attack pierce though.

[coarse lake]

it doesn't pierce decoy

rh gets no buff either, prob does get ele adv on decoy

cindy will refresh it

[swift mango]

It could be funny and linked Noah+Jackal triggered invulnerable because they are less invested than Cindy. So Cindy would just ded.

[coarse lake]

so rh probably kills decoy (assuming sticky targeting so ignoring noah)... around the end of the full burst

[swift mango]

To RH burst

[glad meteor]

RH need 19.285 CS to hit 4 shots in 3RL i think, assuming s1-10

[swift mango]

RH buff herself. Basically would do a 1-2-3.

She would kill a whole team just fine unless stuck on Biscuit.

[coarse lake]

I'll have to see someone actually try it, if their bulk is so high that you can't force invuln early with emi to nuke them all, I'm not confident it'll win

there's a reason it's a meme comp, bc it's not actually that useful

easiest failure point is probably not being able to sustain to second burst

[swift mango]

Nvm Jackal is 20s b1...

[coarse lake]

you prob die before second burst with that anyway

cindy autos aren't weak

[swift mango]

Not that strong either. Quiry would out heal it.

[coarse lake]

not when also dealing with 4 other rls

[swift mango]

4 other supporter RL that barely deal dmg.

Cindy dmg would be splitted into 3 with linked

While Quiry heal all

[glad meteor]

Noise noah rapunzel rapipi jackal

[swift mango]

Uhmm probably not enough dmg.

[glad meteor]

Pray ele carry 🧌

Noah fire weak

[swift mango]

Maybe could win after bursting 3 times?

2+ minutes into the game?

[glad meteor]

She can’t be that bad

I haven’t seen much rapipi though

[coarse lake]

yeah I don't see it happening, you're vastly underestimating the dmg of 4rls in full burst bonus

if they can just about kill an attacker with splash in 3rl time without full burst bonus, your team isn't staying intact by second burst

I'll have to see vids for any of these

[swift mango]

You are underestimating Quiry healing though. 🤔

And Jackal share

[coarse lake]

the noah biscuit is the most likely to be able to remain mostly intact

let's do some rough math, quiry healing over course of entire burst is... 70% more hp for everyone

let's say the 4rls just about kill defender in 5rl time, factor in full burst, that's about 3.3rl time, assuming p2 isn't linked and p1 stays taunt, jackal makes it... about 10rl time 17rl time if you factor in quiry healing, then you add in cindy, who's noise buffed and with good autos

don't have measure for how good cindy dmg is compared to 4rls

well you need noah to block

so that's 3rl of free time

but also means that unless noah is linked, noah will 100% die, which isn't really a massive deal

but then your problem is losing noah gen

[keen vapor]

Double RL

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1026322546934698004.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=whyyysnapped

[swift mango]

Hmm, not a big problem to burst with just Jackal gen in 7 seconds but I see it could be heavy dmg to the team.

🤔

Oh well, K could already beat it with his Emi+Noah+RH+Crown+Jackal. So it's just theory craft for fun I guess.

[glad meteor]

I didn’t try that comp though.

He changes def a lot

[keen vapor]

Same

[keen vapor]

F

[glad meteor]

Don’t even know if it’s gem or tokens

[swift mango]

Yeah, I guess it won't work with just Quiry. Need

Rapu/Noise+Noah+Quiry+RH+Jackal to survive and burst fast enough

[coarse lake]

couldn't find any vid that showcased blocked nuke cindy dmg vs teammate of 4 rl

tbh you prob just lose if trying to sustain in an uphill battle, and if it's not an uphill battle, should be able to nuke it just fine

taught me to not try to outsustain a higher sync with a similar setup, result is not pretty

my noise lost about the same hp% as his noise pre-burst... except mine is linked and his isn't, so mine is taking 2/3rd dmg, his is taking full

emi nuke prob fails in such a sync diff case

but that means trying to outsustain probably also fails

the only sustain comp I ever run these days is god bscar

and that one requires killing the enemy team except for their indom to sustain

[swift mango]

Yeah, dont try to tank a Higher synch. 😐

Unless you are Merry and could out invested your higher synch....

[coarse lake]

well merry has huge sustain comp advantage over opponent

if they ran similar setups merry would still lose

also merry's sustain setup with nero is stronger than the typical quiry

[keen vapor]

Nero 💪

[quasi prism]

Made it to chap 34 boss

Too low cp 😦

Don't Have my rouge raised currently

[glad meteor]

Emi blanc rh ros jackal

Another comp that should work. But only double buffer

[covert lintel]

why no one post vid fighting with rapipi

[quick lake]

Cause Midpi in pvp

[worthy knoll]

Not exact same team but maybe can be a metric. I think a Noise buff Cindy auto attacks is just similar to a Max buffed S1 Scarlet auto attacks. Well it prolly answers the first full burst survivability part at least 🤔

[swift mango]

Good question. Maybe I will use my Rapipi 444 in rookie for fun.

Mav and maybe another post their Rapipi video first day.

No one did it anymore.

[coarse lake]

so then yeah you definitely need noise there as well

although I'm not sure on the scar and cindy comparison

[coarse lake]

she doesn't seem to be that gamechanging

can use emi instead

[swift mango]

Midpi

Would probably still lose at 101010

[quick lake]

Rip. Cant kill cindy

[swift mango]

444 Rapi, r0, no AtK line, only arm and helm OL

Then again, the enemies is 300 and I'm 323

Crown ded before burst

[quick lake]

Hmm, still okay I guess. But yea, not very efficient

Midpi

[swift mango]

Strawberry girl OP

[coarse lake]

need more ele

[keen vapor]

I was watching recordings then....

I just realized I've been fighting Hero in incredible combulated ways.... Bc of my hoarding and low CP

[coarse lake]

and yeah still hardwalled by emma and diesel if firing at them directly

[keen vapor]

Never again I hope

[quick lake]

Self inflicted

[swift mango]

If Rapi ever becoming TOP Meta in Arena, Diesel would be her hard counter .

[coarse lake]

https://tenor.com/view/bike-fall-memes-baton-roue-bike-stick-gif-8999945942594219773

echo in a nutshell

[keen vapor]

Still have to deal with Tsubasa/Malogro/Sincere(Flora guy)

[keen vapor]

Why keeping C6 is so hard

[quick lake]

Open those boxes and u'll be top 5

[keen vapor]

But Nihilister I'm only 60 bars away

[coarse lake]

play better

is this second nihil

[keen vapor]

First

[coarse lake]

eh, not missing out on much, will prob get walled by whale next

maybe 1/hr

[keen vapor]

I'll miss on credits

[swift mango]

Echo maybe waiting for me to come to Nihister before he beat her.

[coarse lake]

this was my ch 20 nihil

git gud smh

[keen vapor]

you 60 FPS

[coarse lake]

Other than the usual strats, go for breaking a head in phase 2

Instead of trying to pierce both

Esp if naga

Also high invest Cindy works about as well as mid Alice here

[keen vapor]

How you can even aim core when its moving so much

[coarse lake]

Just try your best

[swift mango]

My Rapi just straight up ded

Linking Rossanna was a bad idea...

Non-heavily invested Midpi is kinda unusable in arena lol

[gaunt sentinel]

man the daily battle is really begins huh
also we got random duo that never wins my defense

[swift mango]

You have 1 guy who can beat you and random guys who don't know what to do with their free hits.

[gaunt sentinel]

it was 1 guy that beats me and 2 random guys

[swift mango]

My whale come back to hit me after 1 day of hiatus... Idk what happened maybe he found a way to pass my bugged line up. Maybe my line wasn't bug but he just didn't want to hit.

[keen vapor]

Maybe he got busy IRL

Maybe cupcake attacked him

I like cupcakes

[loud sonnet]

[swift mango]

That guy got attacked by another guy and dropped to C7 yesterday. He had no free hit for that. And he would hit me instead.

[keen vapor]

Huh

[swift mango]

Anyway, I'm doing fine this season now. I think they would trigger the bug when hitting me with a certain line up. That's why some guys are just not attacking me because they are lazy to wait out the time out.

[swift mango]

The return of the try hard ...

[loud sonnet]

Didn't know he attacked me yesterday 3 times since i was busy

[swift mango]

I think they are testing comp on you in preparing for CA.

[swift mango]

Yeah, I would hit in SpA too if I wanted to spend gems to test new comps.

No one put out competent teams in Rookie. And one 100 gems in SpA can hit 3 teams.

[quick lake]

Im just surprised he hasnt cracked ur defence at all

[loud sonnet]

He did

1 time

Im not sure which team he goes tho

[swift mango]

I'm convinced he just hit 2 team per try with his test teams to purposely lose. Winning was just a fluke stopped him to hit more...

There's no way someone could be that bad in arena..... I have seen one similar guy in rookie but... He would still eventually learn how to attack.

---

Or are you changing your DEF every day? Even 2-3 times a day?

[loud sonnet]

Its the same team

[swift mango]

Even after he beat you once?

[loud sonnet]

Yes

[swift mango]

Then I guess he is really testing his teams after all.

[loud sonnet]

Scar jack ros
2rl cindy
Moran biscuit

[swift mango]

C2 or 3 make no difference.

And you guys should be at a similar level comparing to C1.

Making you the best test subject

[loud sonnet]

Im a guinea pig

[keen vapor]

I forgot about this....

[swift mango]

Just play with PC and ESC button

[swift mango]

Maybe around 20%

[gaunt viper]

the wall was breached by the very guy we cooked against

[fathom rock]

[covert lintel]

2MGs just gave opponent feed

[tropic summit]

oh they might be running the same teams as their def 🤨

we could try a different def to match those and see if something changes

[gaunt viper]

hmmm perhaps 🤔, i have a feeling your probably right

tho it can wait till tomorrow if you like since it's late or at least it is my time and I don't have an attempt to reclaim the position rn 😅

[tropic summit]

oh ye i'm about to go to work anyway, will think of something by around lunchtime

using the offense teams of yesterday as def could work at first, but it will also reveal your own cards

[west briar]

help me 2 teams for pvp plss

[gaunt viper]

yeah it sure would

[swift mango]

Rossana unlink the feed, it's just I didn't invested into the linked units so they got countered to deaath

[quick lake]

Any jackal or Rumani?

[quick lake]

T1: Blanc SBS Biscuit Pepper Centi
T2: Noise Noah Cindy Maiden xMaiden
T3: Moran Viper Anis RH Laplace

[upper grove]

my bracket is so quiet now, first attack in a week

[swift mango]

I think you should just keep the current def. Or at least remember it if you want to switch to another def. Because if the new one failed miserably you could fall back to this.

[swift mango]

It's nice

[upper grove]

definitely! I don't even have OL on my pvp units like Noise or Noah so things will get even easier

[swift mango]

My 70 lv gap whale finally upgrade his CP and add 5 level to his gap after getting beaten by the CN whale yesterday.

At this rate I won't have the chance to hit him ever.

[upper grove]

70 lvls

[swift mango]

75. Now

My DEF team is with a lv1 nikke so CP a bit low.

Could reach nearly 1.5m when attack but it is still very hard to chase this.

[strong hull]

My man🤝

Midpi indeed

[swift mango]

She needs max investment to use....

[strong hull]

[swift mango]

My bracket synch included

Me

Small CN whale 40 level higher than me.

Another CN guy 3 levels above me now. Used to be 10.

Bigger whale 75 level above me.

The rest are lower level than myself.

I'm doing okay this far... If only I got my Noah, it would be even better.

[quick lake]

Hope my whale stops buying core dusts

[vapid lake]

Join him

[swift mango]

It's still weird me out that Drake changed from White hair to Blonde after favourite item...

Got this error when attacking, still win.

[quick lake]

Bugged as usual

[raven plover]

I got that as well once yesterday

[toxic flume]

need help

[swift mango]

SBS+Alice+Blanc+Anis+Jackal

Make sure SBS has lower HP than Alice and Jackal.

@toxic flume

[glacial hound]

all your MG died because of scarlet counter attack

actually took jackal along with them too

[solid flare]

@coarse lake @quick lake @swift mango god damnit

congratulations, we did what we set out to do, beat the insolent lvl 50, but we're broken by one of the other 2 at level players.

[quick lake]

Happens. Defence always fallible

[swift mango]

Yes

[solid flare]

welp, 5 and 4 has no difference in payout. ima check out for the next 7 days.

[swift mango]

Idk, you could try switching and sniping. You can still get rank 3 at the end, just harder.

[solid flare]

not gonna bother.

[swift mango]

Just do your hit everyday.

Or you could be hit by lower rank even

[solid flare]

im not trading 2 hits to 4 or 2 hits to 6

im not a whale, but ive worked hard to gap myself from the lower ranks.

the insolent lvl 50 is eating 5 hits from me daily in the rookie

[solid flare]

300 rocks RoI too low

[strong hull]

@swift mango im reused your 3 defs and it work smoothly now lol

Holding C6 for a day is wild

[rancid patio]

https://i.imgur.com/boDAJAZ.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/5tUVyoe.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/jFBLtQP.jpeg

best pvp teams I can make? im thinking of running a team w/ noise noah cindy rapunzel (regular) and jackal but idk what to do for the rest

[solid flare]

thanks again for the help you three

[rancid patio]

I also need slots on my synchro device lol, i havent updated my teams in a hot minute

[swift mango]

Idk if you already solved this but replace your centi with Crown when you attack him.

[edgy wagon]

help me build a team for sp arena and rookie pls

[swift mango]

Scarlet+Blanc+RH+Centi+Jackal

Noah+Noise+SBS+Biscuit+Rapunzel

Auto team

[swift mango]

Moran+Anis+Biscuit+Cindy+Crown

SBS(less HP then Alice and Jackal)+Alice+Blanc+Centi+Jackal

Auto team.

Yeah, my brain is on zero IQ mode so just go with very standard teams.

Could get better helps from others

[edgy wagon]

imma stick with that for now ty

[tropic summit]

hmm the problem with t1 and t2 is that their investimenti in centi, scarlet and biscuit is really low, probably tank CP

i'd suggest instead (T2 will still suffer of lower CP and scarlet will need to be built asap)

not sure what you think @swift mango

[swift mango]

Zero IQ mode

[mystic wind]

@tropic summit bro the team u gave me yesterday didn't defend so well

should i build for bay

[tropic summit]

post them again let's see, we can play more on speed then

[mystic wind]

here we go

[tropic summit]

ok was checking again, seems like they dealt or ignored your rosanna team, guess we can force a 2RL cindy nuke instead and turn scarlet into a 3RL

#pvp-arena message

[mystic wind]

my moran fully overloaded but i reset her skill

i used her back then but didn't defend very well so i dropped her

[swift mango]

Remember to @ the guy you suggested this to .💤

@rancid patio

Okay done

[quasi prism]

[tropic summit]

good point

[tropic summit]

i'm thinking in introducing these 2 new teams, gotta come up with a 3rd

[tropic summit]

try these 3 next

emi blanc rh crown jackal
noah rumani cind anis xmaiden
centi biscuit rapu sbs laplace+

[mystic wind]

may i ask why crown?

[tropic summit]

you can stay at 3RL even with crown, she buffs also emi and will likely help in post indom

as for t2 and t3, if it fails you can rotate noah from t2 to t3 and centi from t3 to t2, making T3 even sturdier

we're essentially studying what the opponent is doing with these teams, should give us a hint where he's skipping and where he's insisting

[mystic wind]

excellent

[late marten]

Anyhow to defeat this ahole? This guy has been always harassing me to no end ever since this guy copied my team and using it against me without end. This one doesn't just beat me all day, it want me dead so I really wanted to murder it for real.

I just can't take this anymore.

I want to harass tis guy all the time.

I want to kill this.

I just can't take this more.

[silver siren]

T1
Scar/blanc/red/centi/jackal
T3
Noise/noah/biscuit/sanis/rapu

Skip T2

[late marten]

I'LL MURDER HIM

I JUST... WANT IT.

Noe that everyone there are all ganging up to me.

Even if I play fairly

[swift mango]

Scarlet+Centi+RH+Anis+Jackal

Noah+Centi+Rumani/Jackal(if jackal move her to P1)+Cindy+XMaiden

[late marten]

I'll murder them.

First option is all I have 'cause I don't have Rumani and XM

Sorry for my rant 'cause I cannot take this more

My hands are violently shaking for losing to this guy

[rancid patio]

@swift mango I'll invest more into centi and biscuit, just got scarlet as well. I've been pumping my resources into pve raid comps and I'm fine with playing the long game with pvp units

[late marten]

and then he humiliate me to no end

[rancid patio]

Also in that screenshot i sorted by rarity

Not by combat power

[swift mango]

Treasure Laplace work the same

Or

Noise+Centi+Anis+Cindy+Jackal

[late marten]

Anis or S.Anis? My OG Anis is way too underleveled.

[runic arrow]

Hi guys, for pvp special arena, in defense i have to put my burst order from right to left?

[swift mango]

Go with

Noah+SBS+Biscuit+Centi+Jackal

Then

If you don't want to use Anis sr

[late marten]

I don't have SBS yet but I'll try to upgrade Anis then before this guy will harass me again.

What that guy's doing to me is no bully, it wants me gone for real.

[swift mango]

You could go

Noise+Noah+Centi+Cindy+Jackal

Make sure Nosie is linked to Jackal. Quantum lv7 on Noah, Centi, Jackal.

I will go to sleep

[late marten]

While I do have Lap TH but she hasn't fully upgraded yet (lv4 all skills and no OL yet)

[swift mango]

Okay you don't need quantum with S.Anis on the enemy team.

[swift mango]

So long as the your CP/him > 0.846

And Laplace has treasure on. Not doll. Treasure

[late marten]

I do have MBL3 Cindy and semi-upgraded OL and skills, though I just haven't use her yet.

[late marten]

It IS treasure but her gears isn't fully upgraded yet

[swift mango]

I have give you many teams already just pick one. That work.

[quasi prism]

Is this rookie or sp arena rouward

[swift mango]

Your CP/his > 0.846. and you win.

[late marten]

rookie. I care less about SP since I've already secured my 50th rank

[quasi prism]

Oh

[tropic summit]

From left to right, B1 then B2 then B3

[quasi prism]

Yeah i just do my 5 attacks and don't care where i end up in rookie

Its not the end of the world there.

If my gems aren't being threatened its whatever

Mellow out about it

Just from example

I got 2 people who I compete with in rookie all the time

I just let them get their attacks in first and fight em later

[runic arrow]

@tropic summit are you sure, i remember reading in guides it was from right to left for defense, but i can't seem to find it in guides now, was there a change?

[tropic summit]

Nope, always been https://nikke.gg/arena-mechanics/ can give this a read

[swift mango]

Post your boxes. Other will help you. Or when I come back later.

[late marten]

My Quantum cube is lv5, though that should be good.

Uninstalling now.

GUESS I SHOULD

KMS

I DONT DESERVE TO LIVE ANYMORE

SU SHOULD'VE MADE PVP OPTIONAL INSTEAD OF MANDATORY CHALLENGE

IM KILLING MYSELF NOW

[quick lake]

Scar’s counter dmg?

Scarlets nuke should be blocked by noah

[grizzled bone]

Technically it is optional

[tropic summit]

It is in fact optional, get to the comfortable rank you can def at then just stay passive.

Even just dia1 is 2.1k gems

[quick lake]

unless u left the game for 6 months and end up rank 40 in SPA

[quasi prism]

He aint even doing sp arena, its rookie arena they are getting upset about

Lol

[wary wraith]

hi guys, need suggestions against this

[keen vapor]

Have you tried Scar Blanc RH centi jackal yet?

[quick lake]

Alternatively,
xMaiden xAnne RH Centi Jackal, if xmaiden has burst skill level 7/10

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

Wait a moment....

I think x Anne will get linked instead.... And Maiden won't get Anne buff!!

[worthy knoll]

Anne will never buff XMaiden tho

[keen vapor]

:pepeh:

This is bad cooking rheax

[worthy knoll]

You don't really need RH if you have Jackal

[keen vapor]

Everything wrong!

[worthy knoll]

Jackal B5 buffs XMaiden more than RH B10 well assuming RH isn't max core that is

[keen vapor]

[worthy knoll]

Though Jackal B10 definitely beats that but.. who B10 Jackal anyway

[keen vapor]

Sugoi

~~ @umbral crown would~~

[quasi prism]

Time to invest in 10/10/10 jackal

[coarse lake]

are you sure jackal buffs maiden?

[worthy knoll]

Yeah me and Nesso were discussing it earlier

It just buffs her burst though

[mystic wind]

@tropic summit haha got him 1st try but he figured out on 2nd try

[mystic wind]

with this team

[keen vapor]

Kazuma kazuma!

[strong hull]

Kazuma indeed

[tropic summit]

Hmm guess we can now move noah and centi, let's see if he bites again

If your s.anis is decently built replace SBS with her

Needs resil cube and lvl 9 burst

[covert lintel]

can we 2RL for 3 team?

[mystic wind]

bro im lvl 429 ofc she's full build

[tropic summit]

Awesome let's go with that

[tropic summit]

Eh you'd need an invested rosanna to even attempt 2 teams on 2 RL 🤨

[quick lake]

U need 25% cs Emi

[mystic wind]

not lucky enough to mlb her but yeah fully invested at least

[covert lintel]

🤔i never see someone cook 3team 2RL so i'm curious whether it can or not

[mystic wind]

do i need to get 5-6% cs each line for emilia?

[quick lake]

Maybe something like this

[quick lake]

Total charge speed needs to add up to 21%, from emilia s1 and from OLs. So if ur s1 is maxed level, u just need ~8% from OLs

[mystic wind]

omg

i rolled so hard that i wasted 30+ rocks just for cs line

i thought i need 5-6% each line

[quick lake]

Its okayy. More charge speed doesnt hurt. The max charge speed u can get is 6.09%

If you have 2 blue, 2 black cs lines, u can hit 3 shots in 2RL time if u're that invested

[mystic wind]

i have 4 cs lines but only around 3,8 - 4,7% each line

[quick lake]

Its definitely more than enough. More cs always helps in emi shooting faster = more dmg in general, so rocks not wasted

[tropic summit]

But yeah having multiple batteries on 17% + CS% is not for the faint of heart

Finding the right balance of rocks usage for both pve and PvP can be a struggle

[mystic wind]

i have another question, is bay worth to build with my current team?

[covert lintel]

nice, i regretted for skipping xmica

[quick lake]

As in, B1 could be anything there, even pepper

U just need Emilia with 4 black lines

[mystic wind]

only rolls for solo raid units so far and some cs line for pvp units

[worthy knoll]

Now you just need to get black lines on those CS and you'll achieve the dream Emi

[quick lake]

200rock+++

[covert lintel]

eh wait, team 1 didn't have any B2

[tropic summit]

Hmmm you could add further variation for a stall team and free up noah by running bay with biscuit... Also bay could be useful for CA teams 🤔

[keen vapor]

One of them still 3RL

[mystic wind]

hell no man imagine how many rocks will go to waste

[covert lintel]

[quick lake]

Can easily swap out them out

[quick lake]

Have to rely on sac

[keen vapor]

I don't even have a single ammo line on Scarlet

[quick lake]

Honestly, even pvp players in general dont really roll for cs. Just standard initial OLs, CP padding, +5/5/0/5 is expensive enough (with some skill investments here and there)

[worthy knoll]

Well kidding aside, at least your foot already stepped on dream Emi territory , even I hadn't had put my own foot there

[keen vapor]

You did for Rapunzel/Quiry

[quick lake]

I might have considered if I had her

[worthy knoll]

🤫

[tropic summit]

Relatable

[quick lake]

Do all ur pvp units have 12/12 lines

[worthy knoll]

Yeah most of them

Still in the process on the others

[quick lake]

wow nice! Time to work towards that

[worthy knoll]

Like just now I wasted 8 rocks trying to get a second line

[keen vapor]

[worthy knoll]

Locked third, change hoping to get a second line, not a single of 4 attempts got a second line smh

[quick lake]

Realised rolling pvp slightly cheaper, because those lines can be anything

[keen vapor]

Imagine hitting 6.25% of not 50%x4

[keen vapor]

Yes like my Bay reroll

[quick lake]

I dont think any of my pvp units have 12/12 lines low cp

[keen vapor]

Send help

It happened to me but no third line tbw

[tropic summit]

My noise has 2 blue lines of CS from her first rolls... Explains why my other rolls are crap to even it out

[quick lake]

Lock and reroll

[tropic summit]

But the rocks

I still need to finish Alice, rrh, asuka, modernia, xlud, quency...

[umbral crown]

Si

[keen vapor]

This is fine

[covert lintel]

which stat u aim other than cs?

[worthy knoll]

Any second line stat, I just want too boost CP but elemental is ofc good to get

[bleak latch]

red rapi in pvp

[obtuse crest]

I have question

Finally i get Rapunzel so i want use her in my Scarlett team

What dolls must i use to her? Just r doll or must sr doll

And what affix or something advice for use her.

My Scarlett team
Tia,ein,grave,Rapunzel, Scarlett

[tropic summit]

is that a rookie team? if so, it's highly suggested running scarlet with at least 1 buffer, 2 buffer to ensure wipe of enemy team

post your box so we can take a look what you could run with her for optimization

[obtuse crest]

3 team nikke place arena

[keen vapor]

Somehow that Rapi comp is fast enough to block my Scar nuke

[tropic summit]

oh oki, then please post your box and we can see what can be arranged

nikke ordered by strength

[obtuse crest]

Box?

[tropic summit]

like this:

[obtuse crest]

Oh ok wait Ima login

[keen vapor]

We are cats we like boxes

[obtuse crest]

Lol i see

If can please tell me too about what team good for rookie arena

Wait maybe need 5/6 minutes

[tropic summit]

yeah take ur time no worries

[keen vapor]

Guys, i think i need to get Scarlet ammo

[bleak latch]

plus her MG Feed to scarlet s2 is not enough to kill her too

[keen vapor]

Is so weird right?

[obtuse crest]

@tropic summit this my team idk are this still worth or no

[tropic summit]

ok that's good, i'm gonna take a look and get back to you soon

[obtuse crest]

Oke

Please tag me (maybe IM sleep:v)

[ashen ocean]

i want to update my teams a bit in SP Arena but i genuinely don't know if my teams are good or not, pretty sure i can change some things here and there (i don't have Scarlet or X-Anne btw)

[tropic summit]

T1: scarlet grave rh bsoda jackal
T2: centi naga cind xmaiden noise
T3: blanc emi rapu anis biscuit

extra team instead of T3 if your defense lose:
emi ein blanc anis rapu

rookie:

noise centi cind anis jackal

cubes:

vigor on noise, rapu, biscuit, blanc
quantum on jackal, centi, anis

wishlist: noah, also consider building rumani for extra battery and promote one of the teams to 2.5RL or 2RL

[tropic summit]

T1 and T2 are decent... T3 i don't really understand what you going for with RH in p2 taking both B2 and B3 🤔

bay is essentially wasted there unless i'm missing something... also very high feed due to double SG

post your box, let's see if T3 can be fixed

[keen vapor]

Someone said Bay?

CUZ SHE'S COSTING ME SO MUCH

[tropic summit]

it's ok, in this case she's not even used properly, which is probably even worse

[keen vapor]

My days of using Crown in PVP are over

[tropic summit]

why, we had an example of a working crown yesterday

[keen vapor]

Been using her for 8 months consecutively

Cuz she no longer works with Moran

I used her with biscuit before Noah

[tropic summit]

oh

bye crown, hello bay, correct?

[keen vapor]

Yes

And in CA I'll more likely be using Grave

Time to invest Grave then?

[tropic summit]

hmm

tbh i've seen Alex use crown in sacc comps too, those look pretty tasty

i don't think you've to discard her just yet 🤔

there are some 4RL also that benefit using her

[eternal finch]

Any recommendations for SP defense? Current ones are not working anymore.

[tropic summit]

oh wow that's some high synch rate

[keen vapor]

What's current defense?

[eternal finch]

DEF 1
Jackal/Scarlet/Drake/Poli/Tia
Blanc/Emilia/Sugar/RH/Pepper
Noah/Rapunzel/S.Anis/Biscuit/Centi

DEF 2
Scarlet/Rapunzel/Jackal/Poli/Sugar
Blanc/Scalter/RH/Centi/Pepper
Noise/Biscuit/S.Anis/Emilia/Anis

DEF 3
Noah/Noise/S.Anis/Biscuit/SBS
SakuraB/Blanc/Emilia/RH/Jackal
Crown/Scarlet/Rapunzel/Centi/Drake

[tropic summit]

oi @keen vapor , bro has already 3 different defense templates

[eternal finch]

nothing new with the recent units

[keen vapor]

[eternal finch]

These used to work against my previous ladder. After the shuffle, these stopped working

[tropic summit]

ok wait a minute, there's hope

[eternal finch]

No Cinderella or Ice Maiden comps yet

[keen vapor]

Use 2.3ver

[tropic summit]

yes and no, there's something the lad can also do due to the vast selection

[tropic summit]

how invested is your rosanna btw?

[eternal finch]

I resetted her

[keen vapor]

What about overloads

[tropic summit]

oke doke, getting back to you soon

[eternal finch]

Rosanna is OL complete

Skills are 1/1/1

[keen vapor]

Lines sir, what lines she have

[eternal finch]

3 max Ammo
1 Atk
1 Elemt. Atk.

The rest is slop

[keen vapor]

Max ammo not really needed on PVP

But well, resetted....

[quasi prism]

I support this choice

[eternal finch]

Haven't invested on her lines honestly. That's what the innitial roll she got

[quasi prism]

[tropic summit]

what level is your quantum cube?

[keen vapor]

Please 7

[eternal finch]

Lvl 11

[tropic summit]

imagine lvl 10

HOLY F IT'S DOABLE THEN

i never got to cook this one because noone has lvl 10

[keen vapor]

[eternal finch]

lol

[tropic summit]

this one is gonna be interesting

[quasi prism]

[eternal finch]

Resilence 11
Bastion 10

[quasi prism]

This mfer is cookin

[tropic summit]

these 2 bad boys are ready, just gonna wrap it up with T3

hmm T3 might've to do with standard scar jack or we could still go for something unusual with rosanna 🤨

although jesus christ the RL tiers you can reach with this lad selection

yes scar jack seems the only third option left, should be good

[keen vapor]

RH pls

[eternal finch]

So:

T1: Noise/Noah/SB/Anis/Emilia
T2: Rumani/Centi/Cinderella/Pepper/Maiden

Recs for T3?

[tropic summit]

she's coming

[tropic summit]

noise noah sbs anis emi
rumani centi cind pepper xmaiden
scarlet blanc rh drake jackal

cubes:

quantum mandatory on T1 and T2 as for table, to hit RL thresholds
quantum leftover on jackal
vigor on noise, blanc, pepper
temperance on noah
anyone else can run highest available cube

notes: quantum lvl 11 go brr

@keen vapor do we have V2.4? (kinda screwed cuz it needs collab unit tho)

this one was fun to cook, so much selection

[keen vapor]

No sustain no buff for Cindy/SBS

Tricky against higher synchs

[eternal finch]

what cube for Cinderella and Maiden?

[tropic summit]

yeah it plays more on the fact of grabbing a kill on p1 and p2

unprotected nikke are probably gonna melt

i feel like you kinda want the unusual approach at that synch because everyone probably already knows by heart every usual template?

[tropic summit]

cind can benefit from highest available between resil/bastion and vigor, xmaiden probably the same

[keen vapor]

.... I equipped maiden with onslaught

[eternal finch]

I got 1 more quantum cube available. Any recs?

[keen vapor]

I'm dumb, I was padding

[keen vapor]

It says jackal for quantum leftover

[eternal finch]

Already she has

[keen vapor]

Right here

Drake?

[tropic summit]

well all your batteries are covered, you could put it on drake for extra SG gen

[eternal finch]

She already had one

I used to give Blanc a Quantum so that's why the extra one

[keen vapor]

You equipped it on pepper already?

[keen vapor]

Nah, I'd give tempering to her, you don't want her to die, trust

[eternal finch]

Current Cube distributuion

[tropic summit]

yeah looks fine

T1 is interesting... you could run a s.anis even

which might be stronger than SBS who could get hard countered by a biscuit

[eternal finch]

swapping

[tropic summit]

yeah might be even better

as for T2 the only consideration is that it's a cindy 2.5RL but unbuffed

at that synch rate it probably won't be enough to ensure she wins

although it's worth a shot, i'd give it a try like this

[eternal finch]

ok

[tropic summit]

final version:

[eternal finch]

All set. We'll see!

My Pepper is 7/5/7, and OL are LvL 4

[tropic summit]

ok getting back to you, let's see

[tropic summit]

is laplace treasured btw?

[ashen ocean]

recently, yes

but she isn't OLd yet

[tropic summit]

emilia blanc rh alice jackal - ensure emi is the one with lowest max HP, else give vigor to whoever is lower between alice and RH (shouldn't be)
centi naga cind laplace+ noise
noah biscuit rapu s.anis xmaiden

cubes:

quantum on jackal, centi
vigor on noise, blanc, rapu, biscuit
temperance on noah
resil on s.anis, s.anis must be also burst skill lvl 9
everyone else run highest available lvl cube

notes:

can consider investing in rumani to add more batteries and possibly speed up in RL tier 1 team, same for anis albeit less priority

[limber patrol]

SBS good for pvp?

[tropic summit]

depends on opponent, an indom scar with noise and noah stall? yes

anyone who runs a biscuit or has a very good stall team may screw her instead

[tropic summit]

an example where SBS is useful

[keen vapor]

Now counter her with Sakura

[tropic summit]

if i had her built i'd given it a try actually, but she's sitting on lvl 1 synchroless

all the SBS i faced were mostly dealt with biscuit and s.anis

[keen vapor]

Not me

[mystic wind]

is there any chance i can beat this guy with my cp gap?

need advice

[tropic summit]

hmm CP wise T2 for example is 15% so barely within margin

T1 is cp gapped instead, instant loss

well "instant" as in until biscuit skill runs out