pvp-arena

[thorn orchid]

hello guys, can reccomend me some team for pvp? i'm new at the arena

[tropic summit]

your teams are on the left, enemy teams are on the right, place the nikke in the order provided

cubes:

quantum on jackal, centi
vigor on blanc, noise, biscuit
temperance on noah

everyone else can run highest available cube (resil/bastion likely)

lastly, please confirm your CP is at worse 15% deficit, else we need to revise them

[umbral crown]

Whenre your rosanna hyper investes

[tropic summit]

naga viper cind rumani tia
SBS blanc rh noir jackal
xmaiden noise alice laplace noah

cubes:

quantum is mandatory as in the table provided to hit 3RL
vigor on blanc, noise, cind
temperance on noah
any other nikke use highest cube available

notes:

centi to be synched and invested on at least 4OL 4/4/4 asap, can reduce SG feed on T1, vital to avoid being scarlet countered
scarlet wishlisted asap
wishlist asap: biscuit, can replace yet another SG to reduce SG feed, but also drastically increase survival

side note: consider if you can get laplace treasured, extra burst gen on clip SG level and offburst DPS

[tropic summit]

next year and if i find her without a selector, RNG willing

[tulip holly]

Thanks , I'm out for now but I'll check out soon , holy shit thanks for the excel calcs lol

[umbral belfry]

any help for rookie arena please? currently running noise, centi, sbs, maiden, Alice (just winging it lmao bc they're my strongests). would eventually like to add rrh on somewhere

[little oak]

does rapi have use in pvp

[umbral belfry]

not sure yet, I'm assuming way too early to tell. I was assuming if she was good

[quick lake]

Noise Centi SBS Alice xMaiden

[umbral belfry]

ty!

any particular reason got drake instead of liter? i just got drake

[quick lake]

Drake/xMaiden burst gen is higher than Liter. Ideally u always want to burst first and burst fast

[sullen matrix]

Help make team for pvp rookie and special

[umbral belfry]

i guess I'll stick with xmaiden since she's somewhat built already. ty!

[tropic summit]

being an MG class means she has low burst gen and high feed
as for her B3, it is fairly strong to hit 1 unit with, the explosion radius increasing might lead her to hit p2, but i'm just guessing, let's wait for more testing to happen.

[little oak]

Okay

[steady raft]

She could be used for CP padding assuming you invest everything into her

[tender valve]

HEPPY NEW YEAR GUYS! 🎉 I love ARENA CHAMPIONS

https://tenor.com/view/great-pretender-anime-guns-laughing-happy-new-year-gif-19862862

[tropic summit]

average day at the job

[sullen matrix]

Help pls

[brazen ledge]

hi, got rh and sbs, new teams i can do ?

[quick lake]

T1: Noise Rumani Centi Cindy Noir
T2: SBS Drake SAnis Blanc Jackal
T3: Auto

[quick lake]

T1: Noah Centi Cindy Naga Noise
T2: Rei Drake Blanc RH Jackal
T3: Moran Biscuit SAnis(or SBS) Noir xMaiden

[brazen ledge]

i don't use sbs ?

[quick lake]

U can if u want. Edited

[brazen ledge]

ok i keep sanis, she already has good investment

[quick lake]

SAnis less easily countered. So slightly better

@swift mango Hope u got ur Jackal alr

[tropic summit]

between RRH banner and the selector, should've

worse case scenario misclicked and got flora instead

[brazen ledge]

@quick lake i got noir with my selection box, can i include her somewhere ?

[quick lake]

@brazen ledge Edited

[brazen ledge]

thanks very much

[sullen matrix]

How about for rookie?

[quasi prism]

Hope everyone in here pulled a r:rh

[quick lake]

Can just use T1 or T2

[lusty gull]

new version of https://nikke-deck.web.app/ is available, 17% cs available for most rl and sr

major improvements for future functionnality, save deck for example, you need to clear deck or cache, it should not happen again, it's stable now

[vapid lake]

50 pull 1 noah 1 biscuit

mileaged rapi

[keen vapor]

17% for snipers

[lusty gull]

why not ? haha

[glad meteor]

Nihilister cook

[quick lake]

Damn! Fast work 🔥

[loud sonnet]

Finally got my jackal

[unkempt flame]

@keen vapor yoo are there any changes to be made here ?

[loud sonnet]

After getting jackal

[worthy knoll]

Oh I guess empty spaces don't work on defense team, they force to go P1 P2..

[quick lake]

The whale just casually put 2 units??

[loud sonnet]

@umbral crown

[tropic summit]

no burst gen prevention on def teams

which means this probaly applies to CA aswel, RIP

[tropic summit]

and they're enough to cover for 5 nikke and almost CP deficit

[quasi prism]

Lmaooo

[brazen ledge]

did you win ?

[quasi prism]

So many gems wasted when the season is about to end

What a moron

[tropic summit]

@whole pawn

#team-building message

it's doable at last

[vapid lake]

anyone test rapi in arena? her bomb can aoe entire enemy team or too small?

[whole pawn]

I will save this and try this
thx

[tropic summit]

find noah and wishlist noise, and you've got the cake

[worthy knoll]

Barely

[whole pawn]

I was thinking about getting noise, but I thought I needed ein for mirror container, well yeah I need noise and Noah rn
but I want crown

[tropic summit]

missing crown aswell

but you getting there, slowly

[whole pawn]

I mean I thought I m getting crown when I saw pilgrim, but it was scarlet

[tropic summit]

reality is often an harsh beast

[whole pawn]

apparently I will get every pilgrim before crown

[tropic summit]

considered hiring an exorcist?

just on the safe side

[whole pawn]

[worthy knoll]

Well would prolly much more chill if I used Biscuit but I got curious how hurtful will it be

[whole pawn]

[whole pawn]

scarlets: nah we d win

[strong hull]

@tropic summit where echo

You can run but you cant hide

[tropic summit]

doubt he misses the basement

[umbral crown]

Hahaha you opened a new world

[tropic summit]

there goes all free attempts

[loud sonnet]

He already used the sp token the other day after being sent to diamond 2

[tropic summit]

full tilted

[glad meteor]

Did they change it

Does it still work on offense

[worthy knoll]

Not sure I haven't tried yet lemme check

[vapid lake]

https://tenor.com/view/i-saw-what-you-deleted-cat-gif-16534979835682612734

[loud sonnet]

[worthy knoll]

Empty P2 still works

[covert lintel]

what would it be if that whale place rapun and other healer instead

[tropic summit]

tbf even just another 3 blue nikke synched would cp pad out of the world

almost 300 levels ahead, that leviathan is a reaper leviathan crossbred with a ghost leviathan

[worthy knoll]

Well it seems this also with space.. guess its only def teams

[glad meteor]

Interesting

[tropic summit]

i get the feeling def does that because it has to reverse the positions (p1 going p5 etc) and if it doesn't find any nikke, it simply fills the slot with next available

[upper grove]

RH came home She's mainly a B1 buffer who doesn't feed, or am I missing something?

[tropic summit]

RH or RRH 🤔

if RH yes, b1 buffer SR so low fire rate

[glad meteor]

Strongest b1 buffer I think

[kindred tinsel]

its happening again

always when im about to reach top 50

oh it went through this time

[tulip holly]

team 3 is below 15% and it lost , 1 won

noah went off but only her and cindy were alive

[viral turret]

Red hood Rapi any good ?

[umbral crown]

Wait few days for a veredict

[quasi prism]

In pvp no clue, outside of pvp I'm pretty sure she will be good

In my personal opinion

[unkempt flame]

hey yall what sp arena defence teams can I make>?

[tropic summit]

hmm can you show CP of the other team enemy team?

would be nice if you recorded it because it's making me curious if they had CS%

[upper grove]

So once she's invested I can sub her in for Liter or Xmica

[tulip holly]

wasnt recording it , I can spend another try to do so since I am not going to get more rank

which cp of which enemy team , 1 ?

[glad meteor]

If noise taunting xanne also hits decoy in second rl shot

[tulip holly]

🤔

[proud relic]

Can someone help me build sp and rookie arena teams pls

[glad meteor]

So xanne get’s 4.2 extra gen on second shot

Jackal trigger 1 feed

[tulip holly]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-noted-makoto-niijima-makoto-persona5-gif-27397086

[glad meteor]

Scar s2 triggers some gen
Redhood has cs on s1

[swift mango]

Well, I'm not pulling now. So unlucky...

[wicked horizon]

There's no way someone just beat me at 27.5% deficit...

[vapid lake]

looks like people are camping me

good thing the loud ass NY fireworks woke me up

[swift mango]

If u mean the are 27.5 below u, then nope, you don't know what they use to attack u with.

[brazen ledge]

Why is noir good in PvP ?

[vapid lake]

clip SG burst gen and passive atk boost

[glad meteor]

Ele adv over iron nikkes. Good for hitting rapunzel p5

On def

[wicked horizon]

No, I attacked them.

[quasi prism]

@terse abyss how'd your pulls go

[worthy knoll]

[glad meteor]

I encountered the bug

On alt

Server issue

This guy doesn’t have a b2

Let me in

[unkempt kestrel]

Finally have jackel now

[upper grove]

There are no MG meta nikke besides Rosanna because of her kit, right?

[glad meteor]

Pretty much. Crown has some niche uses though on offense

Rei.A is eh

[brittle hill]

Burst gen so slow as expected with rapi so she's for Moran stall or something

[upper grove]

I was thinking about using gold mileage on rapi otherwise but if she isn't meta in pvp then I'd use them on SBS

[tropic summit]

hmm ok this gives me already an idea

[glad meteor]

though i haven’t seen much tests of new rapi

[upper grove]

SBS atm at 1 star while rapi already MLB

[upper grove]

Guess I'll wait until Keripo or someone else has new insights

[glad meteor]

mlb pilgrim banner

[upper grove]

Only in 150 pulls even

Meanwhile I didnt pull a single grave in 250

[glad meteor]

Cindy banner was biggest scam

[brittle hill]

I'm going to SSR select Twinkling Soda. (Twinkling, Redhood, Viper, Emelia, Noir) I think it's the Emelia Blanc counter

I always recommend this setup because it eliminates P5 immediately

[glad meteor]

3 sg def setup target p5

Peoppe will scar jack probably

[upper grove]

3 SG def setup will always get jackaled won't they

At least the other 2 teams are jackal safe

[brittle hill]

Ofc Noah counters but that's cheating

[glad meteor]

Can biscuit def p5

Rosanna sac is more niche though

[brittle hill]

Or I get Moran. I'm always impulsive so this might backfire lol

I only have 1,100 gems

[tropic summit]

how's CP looking if you do instead

scarlet blanc liter noir jackal
noah biscuit cind rh centi

only thing, put quantum on noir and jackal in t1
quantum then on centi and noah

if you're within the 15% cp deficit, you should be fine

for the team that lost, did they reach b3 before noah reached b2? (so we know if you need to hit 2.5RL)

[glad meteor]

Sp closed

[vapid lake]

[glad meteor]

@tropic summit noise may have fed them some gen too

[tropic summit]

yeah, was thinking that too, hence why removing noise and putting rh instead, both for cp and feed 🤔

although i'm running noah and noise myself and it doesn't seem to happen, but i also have CS% on noise higher than noah

[swift mango]

Ofc you won't win against 90% stat reduction, ever.

[glad meteor]

Can put noise in p5 generally speaking

[upper grove]

@tropic summit @vapid lake thank you for your cooking

[tropic summit]

[tulip holly]

cant look now arena reset , will tell you tomorrow heh

[tropic summit]

oke doke, as long as we solve the CP issue it should be fine

[vapid lake]

@loud sonnet is this u

[brittle hill]

lol lmao rapi B3 only took out one unit (Cinderella) and that's 0 investment lv 6, 100k deficit. Going to try other things in rookie

Still lost

[terse abyss]

Only had 4 x10s and didn't get rapi. Probably will buy it with golden tix altho I'm indifferent on her tbh

[swift mango]

Last days was pretty crappy with the buggy issue not being able to hit the other main contender for c3.. and had to bring the +40 whale down to the competition instead. But I still got the lead... wasted 2 coins ytd though, can just not use them. Oh well

[tropic summit]

endless back and forth from ch3 ch2 and ch1 this season, defense has become sort of pointless when the opponents you dealing with know you for 9 months

[swift mango]

Switch you def around

[tropic summit]

they've seen at least 10 different kind of defs

on the other hand my whale gave up on their 16th rotation

[swift mango]

You can make it 11th

[tropic summit]

[swift mango]

I was able to get 1+ def this season against each peep in my top 10 bracket but the C1 +70 whale.

Okay the +40 whale def was last season not this.

Next season with Jackal I'm gonna get some more def in I think.

[tropic summit]

yeah people can't punish you anymore at least for the absence of jackal

next up is you getting noah

[swift mango]

Maybe in Nikke 2nd, when Noah grew up with boobs and became PvE meta instead of Arena.

31 pull on new year banner + 10 friend pull were full or blue and purple so I don't have much luck this year as well.

[amber pine]

can you do one on one and I'm not taking about one team vs one team like one nikke vs one nikke

[swift mango]

Yes, just go ask the other guy to cooperate with you

[amber pine]

ok🥰

thanks blood♡

[swift mango]

---

After testing it on Union range, Rapi AoE is pretty big. Not as much as Emilia s3 though but bigger than a Normal RL radius. So she should be able to hit p3 with it at least. Hopefully p4 as well.

[tropic summit]

what's the delay on the explosion?

[swift mango]

You could check her in your union range... Pretty much no delay

[tropic summit]

actually good point, haven't run her yet

[swift mango]

I think RedRapi should be able to hit p3 at least, not sure about p4 though. P5 is kinda impossible

Someone having her should test her out in arena lol

He AoE range during burst is bigger than Emilia normal attack outside burst which can hit p3.

And way smaller than my s3lv8 Emilia which can hit p5

[late burrow]

any good pvp comps?

[vapid lake]

can do the classic scar jackal team and two 3RL screenwipe teams with ein and cindy

[swift mango]

.... I used 10 rock just to get 1 x 3.45% CS line on Jackal. No natural r11 CS in first 4 OL ofc, fml

[vapid lake]

put centi and sr anis into the synchro device if you haven't yet

[swift mango]

Jackal just added yet another bricked CS and bricked SR doll into my pile of RL...

This game is rigged

[tropic summit]

Blood just can't have a break

new year new start

[swift mango]

Okay this mirror was an easy win. Enough to prove that my Scarlet is superior.

[tropic summit]

no biscuit no noah right?

[late burrow]

yeah haven't got them yet

[tropic summit]

and uh no centi either right?

kinda struggling with your batteries hence why i'm asking

[late burrow]

i have centi just no collection item yet

and no OL gear

level infinite keeps giving me the abnormal ones

[tropic summit]

gotcha, we can go with...

[tropic summit]

scarlet blanc liter noir jackal
naga ein rh sugar rumani
bay anis cind maiden noise

quantum is mandatory on the ones in the table to hit 3RL (if lvl 3 you can still hit 3.5RL)
vigor on blanc, naga
temperance on bay
anyone else give em your best cube

notes: wishlist noah, biscuit
build centi asap

[late burrow]

sounds good

thx for your help!

[swift mango]

First time encountering this in Rookie. Can't even test my comps in peace

[lone sequoia]

ssrapi is just bad, only good in atk and you can't face noise or scarlet teams

[tropic summit]

which teams can she be strong against?

e.g.

scarlet is skip
god noise is skip

leftover would be indom teams and 4RL teams? 🤔

[lone sequoia]

anything that have weak element from p1~p4 or slow teams

[swift mango]

Thanks for confirming she could hit p4 mate

[lone sequoia]

against scarlet depends in your dupes+team investment and against noise also need dupes+depends if the enemy team is a strong or bad sanis team

i mean, the important part is the fps lock in pvp

[swift mango]

My squishy Ass just can't catch a break....

[lone sequoia]

maybe sanis teams that use jackal are weaker since the bomb damage is high and when you kill a unit you lose a lot of damage in the overkill

[swift mango]

Try

Redpi+Blanc+Centi+Rossanna+Jackal.

And record it please

[lone sequoia]

that is jut bad because my rosanna have +52% atk+crit, she should win the match by herself

[swift mango]

Try it against

Noah+Noise+SBS+Biscuit+Rapunzel

If your Rossanna can win against that then you just CP gapped them

Nothing to discuss anymore

[lone sequoia]

no sbs in my rookie, only 1 guy use sanis stall but he is 1 synchro tier lower, at least he have more cores than me

[swift mango]

Try it then

Don't CP gap them

[lone sequoia]

i don't cp gap people, few dupes or no dupes and default OL in most of my units

[swift mango]

Default OL means you are lucky with 2+ lines on first OL.

[lone sequoia]

means that i use what i got

i keep my rocks for CA...like 2 years doing that

[swift mango]

How many units with just 1 line for OL you have?

[lone sequoia]

some of my RLs have only 1 cs line

[swift mango]

I wish I were you

[keen vapor]

Huh?

[worthy knoll]

So the weird RL damage bug they notified.. seems to happen too on pvp

[lone sequoia]

yep, only good against jackal teams if you can burst in time

[swift mango]

What do you mean? The should have fixed it

[worthy knoll]

Damage without bug

[lone sequoia]

we still have both bugs

[worthy knoll]

Damage with bug

[lone sequoia]

sync+RL damage

[worthy knoll]

Seriously devs

[vapid lake]

is a feature

[worthy knoll]

And it triggers in just one fight and you need to restart game to fix it

Do 5 fights in rookie, you need to restart 4 times

[swift mango]

So did you lose in game but win in the record?

[worthy knoll]

I'm sure its a lose but let me ask them

Since its the RL bug weird damage

[swift mango]

Check your battle record in game

[lone sequoia]

grab the link

[worthy knoll]

I just said its not mine

[swift mango]

Ok

[worthy knoll]

I guess he was out already. Tho I think its a lose coz they wouldn't ask if it was win but post it like weird lose but is a win.

They were wondering something that was winning without problem suddenly lose. When we asked them to restart the game it suddenly worked

But the bug happened again immediately after the successful battle. So it needs to restart every single time.

[swift mango]

Some people just don't check their record and points in rookie

Me included

[worthy knoll]

Oh he replied

It really was a lost

[swift mango]

Was it happened today after the dev said it was fixed?

[worthy knoll]

Yeah were doing it just recently earlier, like what is said there 22m ago

[brittle hill]

they said they fixed it for pve and no mention of pvp in notifcations

[swift mango]

So either the dev lied to us or they fixed it in PvE by bringing it to Arena instead

[lone sequoia]

they said that they fixed the sync bug before, then we got the RL bug

[worthy knoll]

Well I just posted it here to warn, its up to the one reading if they want to believe or not, not my obligation to convince

[swift mango]

Check the newest in game notice, they said they just fixed it though...

Okay

"Partially addressed"

[swift mango]

Partially address means they don't fix it at all.

This is the new dev's "Yu-Gi-Oh wording"

[brittle hill]

This is the current state of CA probably, understandable lol

[lone sequoia]

= the night shift guy will fix it

[glad meteor]

[swift mango]

CA will be "partially addressed" in 2026

[lone sequoia]

i think rapi is just fine... need really good OL and dupes to win against noah teams, jackal teams should be weaker but noise is a problem

the same if biscuit is in p5

other dps than sanis also should be fine...don't face scarlet unless you have a really good team

[dim sapphire]

can i see some rapi pvp in action

[swift mango]

I think I would just skill reset my ASS for Rapi next time skill reset return... Should be next month during Eva collab

[raven plover]

damn he gonna have no bun

[worthy knoll]

You not gonna use ASS for PvE content anymore?

[swift mango]

She should be just fine with s1 lv10 as buffer

[worthy knoll]

[loud sonnet]

Nope my profile was cindy

[swift mango]

Between these 2 my hope for ASS was just for nulled and voided.

[grizzled bone]

happy new year my PvP gang

i wish you good fortune in the battles to come

[vapid lake]

thought i found someone here

[lunar dirge]

no ass for pve

[glad meteor]

Right at midnight

[swift mango]

Did your Red Rapi able to hit p5?

[loud sonnet]

Yes i think

Since emi is already dead

[swift mango]

What is her level for skill 3?

[loud sonnet]

10

That's the only important skill right?

[swift mango]

S1 and 2 both contribute to her dmg.

[loud sonnet]

No i mean the explosion radius

[swift mango]

Yeah

[loud sonnet]

Cant use her and RH in same team cause rapi will do the burst 1

[swift mango]

Should be fine if Jackal or Rumani is also in it at p5.

[loud sonnet]

I just noticed that RH ignore moran and noah taunt then proceeds to lit jackal

[swift mango]

Did you do a PvE fight before this video?

[loud sonnet]

Nope

I was upgrading rapi before i start finding opponent to fight

[brittle hill]

Nice aesthetic wise, Removing emelia for slower burst gen would have won the fight

[loud sonnet]

I was just testing there

[swift mango]

You could try this match up again, but with Rumani or Jackal instead of Emi?

[swift mango]

Ty 🙏

[loud sonnet]

That's 23% cp dif

[swift mango]

How was your Rapi s1+2 and lb?

[swift mango]

You or enemy being lower?

[loud sonnet]

Me lower

[loud sonnet]

Both 7

And 1 copy only since i didn't get any

[swift mango]

Thanks

@umbral crown , A CDR that is also pretty good in Arena is here.

Now you won't need liter

[keen vapor]

Huh

[quasi prism]

I got 3rd this season, considering second wasted prolly 4k+ gems just to maintain second and first is like 36 levels ahead of me... we take those.

[keen vapor]

[loud sonnet]

4k gems

[quasi prism]

I mean like he just kept going back into 2nd place everytime they lost it

i think it was like 6 days ago

they went back and forth between 4 or 5 different people for second

at least 700 gems used

[lone imp]

Anyone I can bother for teams now that I've filled my roster out better?

[quick lake]

Can send ur full box

[lone imp]

Here or DMs?

[raven plover]

dm him

[quick lake]

Can just send here

[lone imp]

Finally picked up a couple I was missing. I'm hoping to push super hard now with the help of the experts here.

[quick lake]

T1: Noah Centi Cindy Laplace Noise
T2: Scarlet Crown RH Pepper Jackal
T3: Blanc BSoda Biscuit Liter Rumani
Do invest a lil into SBS and Rumani. U have almost all the pvp units there is wow

[lone imp]

Perfect. Thank you. SBS and Rumani are new. I'll absolutely do that.

When SBS is invested properly, who does she replace?

[quick lake]

Replace BSoda for SBS

[quick lake]

Made some edits the the 3 teams. Included some of ur higher CP units

[lone imp]

Okay, thank you so much again.

Tbh though I did sort by rarity in those screenshots

[quick lake]

[vapid lake]

[quick lake]

Better to sort by CP

If u want, u can send ur box sorted by CP

I think should be the same..?

[lone imp]

Right, but then I would've had to take 4 pics instead of 3 to get all SSR in there. I'm pretty certain it sorts by power within rarity though.

[quick lake]

Hmm idk how the sorting works. 0* SBS is above 1* Modernia

So should alr be sorted by CP i hope

[lone imp]

Big true. I'll re-sort and send again momentarily

[swift mango]

Sort by rarity to arena player is basically sort by power but SR Anis dissapeared from first page.

[quick lake]

I dont use Anis

Anis is my sac

[lone imp]

I have returned with the new sorting lol, but it's more pics than I can send if memory serves

[quick lake]

No worries, can just send the top 4 pics

[quick lake]

Hm okay, luckily no changes to the teams I sent you. Probably invest a lil in Noise as well

Hmm it seems like Rapipi's bombs hit 4 targets

[glad meteor]

Rapi seems pretty bad for arena

Indom sanis was already cope

Feel like she’s worse sanis, fps bricking her too

[swift mango]

Was your Rapipi s3 lv10?

[quick lake]

Nope. Its lv 4 only

[swift mango]

MAV's Rapipi hit 5

At lv10

[quick lake]

Its actually decent imo. Im Rapi is only 7/10/4 iiec

I'll lv them up when I have skill books

Rapi is actually okay? Might be able to kill opponent's team if invested + Blanc indom

[glad meteor]

You running bastion?

You ran out of ammo near the end

[quick lake]

Yeah, she's not OL-ed

[glad meteor]

[quick lake]

I think with good OLs, might be able to kill enemy within indom. But quite risky. If opponent has biscuit, might not be successful

[glad meteor]

She’s mg so if burst correctly she can probably beat indom emi

[quick lake]

Better to indom someone else at that point

[glad meteor]

I use a 4rl cindy and indom modernia against this one icbm lol

[quick lake]

Thats the wayy

[glad meteor]

[quick lake]

That's abit too close for comfort

[glad meteor]

I have a later indom so guaranteed as long as cindy full nukes

[swift mango]

You could Indom anyone at this point. No need a mg

[glad meteor]

Yeah, i like modernia since fast hit rate and won’t reload at all

Low gen too

[umbral belfry]

just got maiden, would it be worth exchanging her for alice to make my team:

noise - centi - sbs - xmaid - maid ?

[vapid lake]

she also feeds jackal and kills herself twice as fast against scarlet s2 compared to normal mg

[glad meteor]

if noise dies you have no burst

[quick lake]

Its still the same burst speed at 3RL. iirc, ur Alice is way more CP padded too

[glad meteor]

Not going to run her against scar

[umbral belfry]

thanks

in the future though (i'm still newish), should i try getting another B1 instead of 3 B3s?

[glad meteor]

Protecting p1 will help, getting jackal or biscuit will give consistency

Noise is good

[swift mango]

Noise to p5.

Is this a team I built? I should put Noise p5...

[umbral belfry]

The placement for a solo b1 makes a difference in pvp?

[swift mango]

Yeah, Noise p1 would die much easier.

[umbral belfry]

ohhh, i had no idea. ty ty. does it matter who would be in p1 then?

[swift mango]

If Centi is tanky enough you could put her there.

But since she is solo B2, you need to make her a bit beefy.

The rest of your team is b3 though... If you want you could put Alice in p1 if she is your most built unit

[umbral belfry]

xmaid is my most built unit rn, so maybe i'll put her there instead i don't think my centi is tanky enough yet. ty!

[swift mango]

If you attack with that team and enemy having SGs, p5 won't be safe anymore and you might want Noise p1 to 4 instead. Not a problem in defense though.

[umbral crown]

Rapipi?

[swift mango]

Redpipi AoE could hit 5 units at max skill 3 so she is pretty decent for arena. Not to mention nuke p1.

[umbral crown]

Its a sigm

[umbral crown]

Good, gonna max her skills

[umbral belfry]

like this?

[swift mango]

Bruh you took everything from my pull and you don't even know mine . 🤔

[umbral belfry]

[quick lake]

https://tenor.com/view/congrats-nice-happy-for-you-congrats-nice-happy-for-you-gif-1927193140186872022

[umbral crown]

Always unbricked, never bricked

[swift mango]

I got no SSR today but Jackal from guarantee new year banner

[glad meteor]

I pulled a pilgrim then got happy

But it was snow white

[vapid lake]

could've been isabel or harran

[glad meteor]

isabel or harran wallpaper better

I’m not building and malding snow white

[swift mango]

I don't even have Harran

I gotta stop pulling a month to recharge my luck.

[keen vapor]

@tropic summit

[tropic summit]

oh no... all new year luck already used up?

[tropic summit]

happy new year Echoooo

[swift mango]

Nah she only used up other people luck, not hers.

[keen vapor]

I don't celebrate the sun god

[tropic summit]

well i celebrate new year for you, no worries

[keen vapor]

I got a Ludmilla one step closer to za hando

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1026322546934698004.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=whyyysnapped

[keen vapor]

He doesn't knows

[quasi prism]

echo is going to get a dm from me when I actually start working on my pvp units

[tropic summit]

oh btw someone was looking for you in their basement, i told em you were running @keen vapor

didn't tell them which direction tho

they were looking for a cook

[keen vapor]

I have 3 pending cooks then

[tropic summit]

stop slackin', more cookin'

[keen vapor]

Ah yes, I need a place to complaint

Why synchro slot is behind a nice looking package I need it but I also want to hoard

[rustic sandal]

Is there a place with all of the best teams for pvp? I have all characters other than
chainsawman collab, neon summer, emilia, dorothy, nihilister, mica xmas, ludmilla xmas, mary summer and anne xmas

[keen vapor]

Keripo test matrix specifically

[rustic sandal]

ty I will check it out

[quick lake]

or this works too

[tropic summit]

forming any of these is a good start

#pvp-arena message

[keen vapor]

I read Emilia right there

[keen vapor]

GUYS

[tropic summit]

i've got the solution

[rustic sandal]

I dont have emilia unfortunately

[quick lake]

Looks like we gotta have version3

[keen vapor]

[tropic summit]

this will never end

[quick lake]

Alternatively can send ur box, and ppl can cook

[quick lake]

Finite number of teams tbh

[quick lake]

I’ve cooked ~50 CA comps and cant cook anymore

[rustic sandal]

I sent the characters that I dont have bc I thought it was going to be easier than screenshoting everything on the smarthphone

[keen vapor]

No way

[tropic summit]

it's even non-collab unit friendly now

[glad meteor]

Can screenshot in horizontal mode

[quick lake]

It helps up to see who has the highest CP as well.

[tropic summit]

[keen vapor]

I KNEW IT THERE WAS NO WAY

[swift mango]

Well, you could get meta comps from any test matrix or recommendations from websites. But if those units of yours are unbuilt then it could be worse than just using the auto team function

[tropic summit]

it works even without treasure!

[rustic sandal]

Is this laplace+ laplace with fav item?

[tropic summit]

see, i predicted it

[keen vapor]

[rustic sandal]

yea I am leveling rumani now before screenshoting

[tropic summit]

yes with fav item, but as you can see on the followup it's fine even without, at least in terms of burst gen

[keen vapor]

Rumani 444 good enough what matters is overload/doll

[swift mango]

It works even without Laplace altogether

[tropic summit]

flex friendly EVEN

@keen vapor this has to be V3.0 oi

[keen vapor]

[swift mango]

Then Rumani got killed off before burst

[tropic summit]

shhhhhhhhhhh

[keen vapor]

I want to flex this

[keen vapor]

[tropic summit]

v3.0 is ruined

[keen vapor]

Hey

What happens if last unit empty

[quick lake]

Slot Noise in

[tropic summit]

hold on, we got this option too

le shrodinger rosanna

v3.01

[swift mango]

Replace Rumani with Anis at this point

[quick lake]

Gimme a sec

[tropic summit]

that aint too bad

[keen vapor]

[tropic summit]

but anis in p2

it kinda ruins the flex in p5

[rustic sandal]

Why is leveling dolls so expensive

[swift mango]

Rossana is the core not the flex

[rustic sandal]

I thought about getting laplace fav item for this but I dont think it will be worth it

[tropic summit]

oh you wanna keep her

[keen vapor]

So whales can invest

[rustic sandal]

You can buy dolls xp?

[keen vapor]

Can relate

[tropic summit]

this?

[swift mango]

Reroll ur dispatch to get 4 stars above missions

[tropic summit]

do we have le v3.02 revisioned?!

[keen vapor]

Money blood money

[swift mango]

Keep Rossana p5, she need it..

[keen vapor]

Is 2.3b

[tropic summit]

but anis in p2 is urgh

[rustic sandal]

Which character should I put on quantum

Im using on noah, centi, pepper and anis

[swift mango]

Anis p1 to sarc

[tropic summit]

that's wild

giving a general team with a sacc in it?

[quick lake]

T1: Scarlet Grave RH Rumani Jackal
T2: Noah Centi Cindy Noir Noise
T3: Blanc SBS Biscuit Pepper xMaiden

[rustic sandal]

xMaiden is the priestess one?

[tropic summit]

@keen vapor thoughts?

[rustic sandal]

Should I put xmaiden or rumani on quantum instead of pepper?

[swift mango]

If she ded then it's a sarc if she not it's still 3rl. Win win

[tropic summit]

shrodinger rosanna sarc

[keen vapor]

I faced Anis P1 before is not good enough, but better than worse

[rustic sandal]

Is the same team for both attack and defence?

[keen vapor]

Attack depends on the target ☝️

[tropic summit]

[quick lake]

Made some edits. Ideally u want to tailor ur attack teams. But u can just use defence teams to attack

[rustic sandal]

Is there a general rule

[swift mango]

Try

Scarlet-Grave-Pepper-Centi-Jackal

(Pepper Centi jackal with lv7 quantum)

Noah+Rumani+Anis+Cindy+XMaiden

These 2 x 2rl team should walk over almost everything.

If you pick the right target to attack.

[rustic sandal]

ty

[tropic summit]

is single buff scarlet enough on synchro past 300?

[quasi prism]

It's ok, my cooking will be the easiest for you.

[swift mango]

Pepper actually add 1 stack to scarlet so she equal a 23% attack buff.

[quasi prism]

Don't even need to post a box photo

[quick lake]

Not enough according to nuke calc

[tropic summit]

thought so

although does it take in count the stuff blood mentioned with pepper

[swift mango]

Jackal s1 feed at least trigger 1 time in 2rl. So +3.6 more.

To the 2rl tier

[glad meteor]

I got cooked by red hood scar.

[quick lake]

I was referring to the dmg dealt, whether it could OHKO. Speed is fine

[glad meteor]

Scar s2 triggers got messed up too, p1:2 linked so x2 likely to trigger

[tropic summit]

it was a RH in p2?!

[glad meteor]

Yeah

[tropic summit]

dayum

[swift mango]

Well, whether it's enough or not defending on both player investment too. And scarlet only need to nuke the supporter or Attacker. Not Cindy with 2 HP bar.

[quick lake]

Thats true as well

[keen vapor]

Mica

[glad meteor]

Mica buffer

[quick lake]

Just use Mari. Only need 1 Mari to OHKO

[swift mango]

Sorry I'm too poor and unlucky for that

[keen vapor]

@quasi prism

[quick lake]

is ur xmica invested Echo?

[keen vapor]

No :hu tao why:

[swift mango]

Then that's not 2rl anymore against full RL team.

[quasi prism]

Yeah basically tbh

[quick lake]

Yeah, burst gen an issue definitely

[quasi prism]

Add in the re:zero units i dont own

[keen vapor]

Is fine, use Mica/Liter instead of RH

[tropic summit]

it's ok Echo loves cooking for bricked accounts

[quasi prism]

Red hood hates me

But i dont hate her

[swift mango]

So this is one anti Collab and seasonal limits player. One of my nemesis.

[quasi prism]

@swift mango i started in august

[keen vapor]

Mica

[swift mango]

Now build her. I wished I have pulls for her too but it is what it is.

Collab take priority

[quasi prism]

If anne and winter rup came back with everyone else i woulda gotten em

[quick lake]

Updated Matrix @swift mango @tropic summit @umbral crown @keen vapor @coarse lake @glad meteor

Should suffice for SPA Double checked with some of Keripo's matrix and win% are quite similar. Probably within +- 10% win rate in reality

[swift mango]

Sc@rjack is the worst team as always 🤔

[quasi prism]

Happy new year on the east coast

[swift mango]

Happy new year to you too

[quick lake]

Sorted by % Win Rate

[quick lake]

ScarJack's value seems to just be able to burst faster probably

[loud sonnet]

I didn't get any

[umbral crown]

Its what i think

[umbral crown]

Uwu

Happy New Year bois, hope this 2025 you all can beat the whales in your brackets

[quasi prism]

Nah all of last years luck used up your safe

[quasi prism]

[umbral crown]

Be the whale they wish to be

[upper grove]

who is cooking with new rapi atm? I've heard her burst can hit all 5

[quasi prism]

Yeah spend 4k gems to maintain second in sp arena like the one guy in my bracket.

[upper grove]

my 1st bracket had 2 core 7 asukas now noone has cores

[swift mango]

High investment

[umbral crown]

Waos

[umbral crown]

We go 10/10/10

[quasi prism]

We go 10/10/10 for our wife rapi

[upper grove]

I know SBS can get countered by Noah + Biscuit, but SBS should still be safer for pvp than rapi or is she not?

[swift mango]

Need buffers from what I see.

[umbral crown]

Si, as all goos units

do not look at cindy

[quick lake]

Only Blanc + Rapipi work..?

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

Time to get core 7 Rapi 😈

[bleak shale]

unless u blanc ur rapi u prob just die to scarlet instead of biscuit

[keen vapor]

Only managed to do 9/1/7 out of mats

[glad meteor]

Yeah. Not many invest in og sakura, scar s2 cook mgs

[quick lake]

I gave my skill mats to Moran

[quasi prism]

I'm in the same boat

[upper grove]

7/5/6 for me atm

[swift mango]

To be frank unless scarlet is Blanc, she will just ded to Redpipi nuke too.

[glad meteor]

Double buffer

[keen vapor]

I got 4 hit rate lines

[glad meteor]

2 second intervals the explosion triggers

[swift mango]

My Jackal also got 3 hit rate in the morning 😕

[quasi prism]

She's going to want the usual 3 ammo lines more then likely im guessing

[keen vapor]

Today is hit rate day

[quasi prism]

3 ammo, ele, atk.

[glad meteor]

So triggers like 5 times, 3 times if noah bursting

[loud sonnet]

I got
4 atk
1 ammo
And 1 cs and cd cause why not

[bleak shale]

less if u dont have ammo

[quick lake]

Wow but RH + Blanc buffers, expensive and slow

There was reloading whiffing by RH also

[swift mango]

Did you get 4 attack lines at first roll? 🤤

[bleak shale]

i got my last copy of emma today my nikke ad meme is complete

[loud sonnet]

Yes i tried to get more ammo but i didn't get lucky

[bleak shale]

f2p c7 emma

[swift mango]

I guess I'm celebrating new year by looking at other people luck now

[loud sonnet]

15 rocks drain

[bleak shale]

u mean unlucky cuz i would rather have other dupes

[swift mango]

I means I got no luck today at all from doll upgrade, to OL lines to pull.

[bleak shale]

i did 100 pull 0 ssr

[swift mango]

So just need to look at others.

[bleak shale]

even got a 10r nikke

never trusting snake again

[quasi prism]

I still have a highlight from my november pulls

One second

[loud sonnet]

I haven't get any ssr since cindy banner i realize

[quasi prism]

Delta really wanted to hang out

[swift mango]

Save for Collab man. Stop pulling on 1% banner.

[bleak shale]

i listened to snake he told me to pull 100 ez rapi

now im only 250 pulls for collab

[quasi prism]

Are you including the free pulls from the rest of this month?

[bleak shale]

no

[quick lake]

Swipe swipe time

[bleak shale]

i didnt pull during ani

[quasi prism]

Prolly could get 350

[bleak shale]

so i have leftover pulls since then

[quasi prism]

I will bless you with my grave luck

[bleak shale]

im pretty sure i have like 10 chapters of ex stages and 100 tower stages too + the 15 tickets in event shop still

[swift mango]

My Cindy luck was incredible! I GOT 2 copy of her in the free pulls.

Just 0 copy from the 300 pulls that actually used gems.

[quick lake]

Cleared my backlog ex stages for 2nd anniv

[quasi prism]

I had 137k gems and 200 tickets for anni

And 600 gold tickets

[quick lake]

I gotta save harder

[umbral crown]

Si

[quasi prism]

I got what I wanted thats all I know.

Only red hood eludes me sadly

[swift mango]

Even shop only has 10 tickets

[bleak shale]

y u lie to me

[swift mango]

[umbral crown]

https://tenor.com/view/laid-back-camp-yuru-camp-storm-sonata-aoi-inuyama-that-was-a-lie-gif-16466354

[loud sonnet]

I don't know who to invest next

[quasi prism]

https://tenor.com/view/ehe-anime-gif-anime-girl-teehee-gif-27178660

[quick lake]

There's still surprise Milk and/or Drake to build

[keen vapor]

But when

[quick lake]

Mid Jan to early feb i think? Might have been in notes

[umbral crown]

Ein max skill

Rosanna 7/10/10

Moran max skill

[loud sonnet]

All skill?

[fathom rock]

Is rrh regen bad?

[loud sonnet]

I think its the same as regular mg

[quick lake]

Yes, MG. Bad

[fathom rock]

I was coping bomb attachment is cracked

[quick lake]

Probably the only viable rapipi team in pvp @fathom rock
#pvp-arena message

[fathom rock]

[graceful grotto]

so rapipi is like sbs now?

[quick lake]

Kinda. With poorer burst gen and more feed

Both SBS and SAnis tauntable. So Rapipi is better in the sense she cant be taunted

[quasi prism]

damn we getting more goodies in the mail

eating good

[bleak shale]

the bomb literally doesnt even proc until after u burst

unless ur like 5 or 6 rl burst

in which case it just doesnt proc because youre dead

[keen vapor]

30 FPS

[quick lake]

Bombs proc during Noah shield

[bleak shale]

also i updated the calc this morning i forgot to mention

[loud sonnet]

When i saw the first introduction i was expecting a automatic RL type of atk while on burst

Like change weapon

[bleak shale]

no change wep pls

we saw what happened to sneon

[keen vapor]

[loud sonnet]

I didn't know about sneon

[keen vapor]

Me neither tbh

[umbral crown]

Try to.get some atk.lines, 40% and you can do.some nice magic on sp

[brittle hill]

and here I thought I don't need atk lines

[loud sonnet]

4 black atk line it is

[umbral crown]

[quasi prism]

hey look i called the ol lines

crazy

[loud sonnet]

As usual

[brittle hill]

you probably figured out the max ammo is needed even though her reload speed is decent

[quasi prism]

less reloading is always better for mg unit's, It's nothing new at this point

[quick lake]

Stronger than RH and Asuka/Alice?

[bleak shale]

reload speed being decent doesnt matter when u have a 2.xs windup

which isnt affected by reload speed

[brittle hill]

Asuka got replaced so quick noo. They need to give out the skill reset thingy often

[quick lake]

Probably different assumptions as compared to Raon

[fathom rock]

Yooooo

[graceful grotto]

battle of the jackals

[fathom rock]

Ihate it when noah invul for entire icbm burst the s he just wipes most my team

[loud sonnet]

[upper grove]

bless SU

[swift mango]

Not falling for that bait.

Not gonna give a shit.

Not pulling.

[upper grove]

I pulled Jackal

[thorn pagoda]

Emma is underrated when it comes to pvp tbh

in the future we will probably get over-spec Emma, Eunhwa and Vesti, just like with Rapi

[bleak shale]

the problem with emma is she generally needs jackal to perform properly

[quick lake]

Overspec Emma different kit

[bleak shale]

and if ur running with jackal ur opening urself up to more weaknesses

than if u just had scar jackal without emma

[thorn pagoda]

yeah if you can burst early, Emma never dies and she heals the entire team non-stop

but she needs to be in position 1

[swift mango]

Overspeced RL Emma that heal x20 times when her cover is hit instead.

[bleak shale]

she dies to enemy scarlet and/or non sg/mgs

she can be used for atk but she definately opens up more issues in jackal team

[swift mango]

No long ded to RL but anti RL instead

[bleak shale]

which she sorta needs the link because emma dies without jackal even to SG

[thorn pagoda]

i'm still using Emma at level 337 without Jackal or Noise but i can't maintain 2nd or 1st, only 3rd

[quick lake]

And u actually have to link Emma with Jackal, means Atk OL on her. Less team building flexibility too

[bleak shale]

back when people use to emma and sg teams were big i actually tried to run her in p5 vs full sg priv team

without link and she just died

[loud sonnet]

I took the bait and get nothing

[thorn pagoda]

she was good in the beginning when everybody first created their accounts
when nobody knew exactly what they were doing in pvp

[loud sonnet]

[swift mango]

[swift mango]

I pulled Jackal too, in 31 pulls. How luck I am.

[quick lake]

Oh legit?? Congrats selector okay

[loud sonnet]

You guys get ssr?

[swift mango]

Yeah, no SSR but her

[loud sonnet]

[swift mango]

[upper grove]

[thorn pagoda]

is anyone tempted to waste their recruitment vouchers maxing out SBS for pvp or is it better to use them on Rapi

[swift mango]

SBS is so outdated in Arena. She could be beaten by 5rl team.

[thorn pagoda]

that's a good point. the newer modern Scarlet is preferred

[quick lake]

What 5RL team

[upper grove]

I used like half my pulls on SBS for MLB and she became core 2, no regrets

[swift mango]

The 5 RL team with biscuit

[quick lake]

Oh yes

[coarse lake]

rapi pvp vids where

[thorn pagoda]

hello

[swift mango]

Just cross up few dozens comments

[umbral crown]

Hai

[quick lake]

Just this
#pvp-arena message

[umbral crown]

Si

[coarse lake]

seemed quite close

I assume using noise means you don't do enough dmg

but maybe more ele would make diff, looks like barely any ele

[swift mango]

Like zero

[coarse lake]

her not really needing buffers is the main reason she's still used

with rapi, bscar gonna be in trouble in such a comp

well, depends if you can stall out long enough

[swift mango]

I mean, not like Noah+SBS DEF wasn't one shot to oblivion by Emilia already.

[coarse lake]

well yeah, but that applies to noah+any dps def

benefit was you could run a non-buffing b1 and still kill most teams

and it doesn't feed

[swift mango]

Redrapi not gonna be the first to beat it.

[coarse lake]

rapi makes it a lot easier

a lot more braindead of a setup

well assuming their rapi is built enough

have to see how much invest is needed

[swift mango]

Not really, from early impression this far she still need RH and Blanc, just like Emi to do business

Maybe would be different with people having her at core +7

[coarse lake]

emi you gotta actually make sure you don't get noah blocked

[swift mango]

Very easy in fact on attack lol

[coarse lake]

not for most

and a lot more ppl skipped emi than rapi

[umbral crown]

Si

[coarse lake]

but emi needs like no OL invest to kill, rapi.... prob needs some? will have to see

[bleak shale]

skipping em for pvp what a blunder

[coarse lake]

need more rapi vids, with rapi invest listed

[graceful grotto]

wait

no OL?

[coarse lake]

esp against noah noise biscuit, that's what I'm most curious on

well initial OLs

[graceful grotto]

my emi full OL also didn't kill

[coarse lake]

but lines don't matter

[coarse lake]

noah noise biscuit might live through rapi

hmm

[swift mango]

Emi has the flexibility of not using Blanc but Noah and off buffer like Crown and Maxwell instead

[coarse lake]

if someone is capable of doing that then rapi won't change anything bc they're beating it already

[swift mango]

Also the flexibility of not using RH

[coarse lake]

ig one problem with rapi is you need to bring an actual regular b1

a lot of ppl will bring her to pvp and she'll be their b1 by accident

[swift mango]

Just skill issues

[quick lake]

Thats very true

[coarse lake]

anyone got any ideas of a strong scar jack core that doesn't use noah, biscuit, or blanc

bc I can't really think of one that is hard to beat

no the xanne + rosa and variations is not hard to beat

[thorn pagoda]

"scar jack core" my PTSD

[coarse lake]

using jackal is mandatory there, bc otherwise you just kill scar and facetank the nuke even if they revive, very easy to deal with

no sac mast either, cp will be a problem

[quick lake]

Scar Mari Jackal probably

Otherwise split scar jack

[coarse lake]

that's no diff from xanne in how you counter unfortunately

[swift mango]

The most hard to beat is just a ScarCentiJack alone but double your level

[quick lake]

U run one less buffer. Make it up for speed

[swift mango]

Try beating that because even merry can't

[coarse lake]

unless you're reaching 2rl with a scar rosa jackal, speed won't do much

2rl b3 nuke is very easy to deal with

[quick lake]

Limited permutations in SPA tbh

[coarse lake]

we got trash b2 options outside of noah, biscuit, blanc

[quick lake]

Maybe Folkwang, Bay or Milk Treasure

Unorthodox cooks

[swift mango]

In the contest of multi team, if you could make 2 x 2RL team with buffers your are golden.

[coarse lake]

ig you just run something like scar/xmaiden/rosa/mari/jackal.... still very cope, but xmaiden pressure might make them use biscuit if they're stupid

[swift mango]

No team is hard to beat alone

[coarse lake]

you need 2x sub dps to actually force someone to use biscuit, but there's no room in the team

[swift mango]

When you can use all the tools available in game

And no CP gap

Or level gap

[coarse lake]

blanc just does too much in a scar comp, forces most to use noah + biscuit + at least 1 sustain

but that means you split noah and biscuit for your other 2, making at least 1 of them a joke, or have a team with no noah, biscuit, or blanc

[swift mango]

2RL XMaiden just chew ScarBlanc for breakfast

[coarse lake]

yes and almost no one is running it

so it's not a problem, same with rosa snipe

[quick lake]

Well, defence comps can never be solved

[swift mango]

In defense that is

[coarse lake]

no one is running that in atk

[swift mango]

I run that in attack

[coarse lake]

yes and how many ppl play nikke pvp

[coarse lake]

if a setup takes a niche counter to beat, it essentially doesn't have a counter

bc if someone can come up with it, you're not defending against them anyway, so it's not a concern

[bleak shale]

me cooking my own defense's worst nightmare

[swift mango]

XMaiden isn't niche. She is raid meta. Rossanna is what you would call niche

[bleak shale]

knowning too much and expecting my opponent to know too much

[coarse lake]

xmaiden dps is extremely niche in pvp

[coarse lake]

way more niche than rosanna

[swift mango]

If people doesn't run it it just because they don't know.

[quick lake]

Just build 4x ele atk cs Laplace

No one knows until unprotected P1 dies

[swift mango]

I think some people on my bracket come here to lurk around. Because they beat my comp 100% after everytime I talked how easy it is to counter it.

[bleak shale]

unprotected p1

they probably still wont know

[quick lake]

I’ve had some defence successes with XMaiden + Laplace. 3RL bait

[coarse lake]

is there a nuker that needs less buffers than scarlet that isn't called cindy

[swift mango]

Yeah, no needing Ele lines 😭

Edit: nvm.

[quick lake]

No. Idts

[coarse lake]

where's our b2 sub dps, where's our b2 clip rl buffer, where's our clip rl non-bursting buffer

[quick lake]

My guess after scarlet nuke, MaidPriv is next highest dmg

Maybe Mari + MaidPriv

[coarse lake]

pretty sure mpriv needs more buffers than scar

[quick lake]

Mari is = 2 buffers

Probably can kill some uninvested units

[swift mango]

What about Rei A?

[coarse lake]

nah mari nuke tickles

[quick lake]

Maybe?

[coarse lake]

esp without b1 buffer

also where's our good b1 buffer with good burst gen

[quick lake]

xMica Mari MaidPriv

[coarse lake]

no chance that's enough

[swift mango]

Mari nuke is still a nuke so add one more nuke after her mean you only need Mari+1 b3 Nuker, not needing 2 buffer there

[coarse lake]

also you just scar jack that team

[quick lake]

We aint got enough good B1

[quick lake]

Yeah ^ My math says that Mari + Scarlet can finish off most teams

4x Atk Mari

Its super close. Like 1-5% Hp remaining if u’re missing 1-2 atk lines on scarlet or Mari

4atk Mari & 4atk scarlet should be able to OHKO

[coarse lake]

still not good enough

[quick lake]

Easily countered still definitely

[coarse lake]

need a scar jack team that doesn't lose to a simple 2rl noah

if you use burst gen + rosa to go faster than 3rl, your scarlet is unbuffed

if you don't use rosa, you easily lose anyway

[quick lake]

2RL Rosanna Mari scarlet (Emilia 24.7%)

[coarse lake]

I don't think that reaches 2rl

not even 2.5rl without feed

[quick lake]

4 black cs lines on Emi and u get there.

[swift mango]

Merry can beat that with their 4RL Nero team. 2RL Noah is weak scrub

[coarse lake]

how does bursting rapu compare with bursting noise in post-burst sustain?

[swift mango]

You don't need that much for Emi to catch a Noah 2rl tbh

[coarse lake]

from end of battle results with god comp they seem to heal similar amounts?

is the main diff just the max hp (not sure if that counts as healing)

[quick lake]

Yeah true

[swift mango]

4 lv11 line should be enough

[coarse lake]

noah 2rl is a weak scrub until someone uses it to beat up your weak scar team

[swift mango]

[coarse lake]

well with the right comp noah 2rl beats any scar comp if you add in jackal, but just adding blanc to scar jack is enough of a hurdle

hmm

[swift mango]

There is no def that can't be counter. Except 100 level gap.

[coarse lake]

there is def that the avg dummy can't counter

[swift mango]

Average dummy can just come to places like this discord to ask

[bleak shale]

the real question is when do u think 2 rl will become standard

im pretty sure we can run 2:3:3 atm pretty comfortably

[coarse lake]

when a meta clip rl comes out that the common folk will pull on

[swift mango]

You can't keep the same comp forever and expect anyone to not figure it out. Unless they are to lazy to even ask

[coarse lake]

you uh, you'd be surprised

last bracket I had a ~60 day period, of exclusively blue shields, from almost a dozen different ppl, one of them attacking almost every day

this bracket ppl just give up after 1 or 2 failed attacks

hmm

I think I cooked up something passable, if I need to change my def

ugh

[swift mango]

To be frank most people in this game aren't that sweat in arena. Many just hit for the sake of hit it, and ofc wouldn't read guide or ask around for counters. Or even build arena units in the first place.

That's why those of us here could get 3000 gems per 2 weeks.

[coarse lake]

when they gonna rerun xanne

I need to decide which mid b2 buffer I should invest into for cp

[coarse lake]

yes, and when they hit they typically stick to teams they know and run often, aka usually the most common teams + various iterations of them

if they somehow win with one, now they're emboldened, if they lose the next day, they might tweak to try to win

if they've never won, and doesn't look close to winning, they often give up fast, since they got no idea where to start tweaking

bruh it sounds like I'm talking about criminals

[swift mango]

Invest in Nero

[coarse lake]

hell no, and she runs in a completely different realm of setups

waste of mats

idk if I'll even build xanne if I get her

what does she realistically offer over mari/grave

higher gen than mari, lower gen than grave

revive isn't actually that good, revived scar does basically no dmg

less buffing then either mari or grave

[swift mango]

Nearly 80% atK is worse than 40% dmg 🤔

[coarse lake]

when we're talking about scarlet, it's quite close

[swift mango]

Revived scarlet has no self buff though

[coarse lake]

revived scarlet has nothing

[swift mango]

@quick lake I saw what you did there

[coarse lake]

no self buff, no xanne buff

double checked, and yes 80% atk is about equal to 40% atk dmg in the context of scarlet

[quick lake]

My CN/JP peeps actually cook comps to counter me

[swift mango]

No XAnne buff? 🤔

[coarse lake]

if she revives a unit the unit doesn't get buff as well

my biscuit facetanks a revived scar crit with plenty of hp to spare

[swift mango]

I feel like I need to reconsider about XAnne now

[coarse lake]

the only thing a revived scar is killing is maybe another scar jack setup, due to taking a lot of counter dmg

but if you just run units that don't take too much counter procs, it's not doing anything to you

if you wanna run revive setup, prob need rapu + xanne

rapu to revive scarlet first, xanne to buff

[frosty sentinel]

How is Rapi's energy recharge ? Is it much different than of normal MGs ?

[coarse lake]

should be the same, pre-burst she just fires like regular mg

[swift mango]

At that point XAnne is just for healing counter

Could go with grave should be fine

[coarse lake]

all grave should have over mari that actually matters is higher gen

slightly higher buff, but won't make a diff in most cases, with a downside of feeding (which isn't a massive issue if using rosa)

although grave invest is the least wasted since good pve use

in terms of raw dmg mari wins bc of her nuke, if you don't include that grave wins, followed closely by mari, then xanne

although I haven't seen if a well invested grave's pre-burst dmg is enough to write home about

I assume not

[dusk marsh]

pls help cook team for rookie and sp arena 🙏