pvp-arena

[umbral crown]

Open your boxes

[strong hull]

No.

[swift mango]

Save it to 6000 to beat Echo then.

[umbral crown]

[upper grove]

malding

[brittle hill]

we'll give you 1 ticket only, happy pvping

[unkempt kestrel]

hows these 2 teams? Thinking about using these 2 teams and a CP team for SP defence

[warm acorn]

the post above that also i got my 4th 3 star finally

i want to upgrade my teams now that i have viper and red hood. if i even need to. I had the thought that red hood is supposedly the most cracked unit.

[quick lake]

Good teams! Just some small edits
T1: Scarlet Noir Blanc Centi Jackal
T2: Noise Rumani Cindy B2 xMaiden (Ideally B2 Noah)

Swapped positioning of Noir in T1. Noir in P2 likely will allow for double feed so thats a plus. Rumani placed in T2, so that in the oft chance that Noise in T2 dies, you still have Rumani B1. Cindy shifted to P3 to avoid extra burst gen from hitting decoy. Should also double check that scarlet HP less than Noir. Cause Blanc's Indom is based on whoever has lower HP. You want Indom on Scarlet and not on Noir

[warm acorn]

The current stats btw

i should probably switch alice to my leveled unit.

[swift mango]

How do you tell which Nikke got Blanc Indom?

Because I'm blind and don't know how to differentiate.

[quick lake]

Lowest HP unit at point of Blanc's burst? Probably Emilia cause attacker

[swift mango]

Moran could too...

[quick lake]

Possibly But Emilia attacker lower HP than defender HP

Doesnt seem to have any special animation effect

[swift mango]

Yeah. But I mean, I remember Iris said about some Icon.

[quick lake]

Lemme look through my vids

[warm acorn]

any advice for me?

[swift mango]

Buy Privaty spar body and break the wall.

[warm acorn]

im not even at 160 tho lmao

[swift mango]

Mald campaign harder

[quick lake]

I dont see anything

[warm acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/anya-disgusted-anya-disgusted-disgusted-anime-face-anya-gross-gif-26842953

[unkempt kestrel]

T1: Scarlet Noir Blanc Rumani Jackal
T2: Noise Centi Cindy SBS(filler) xMaiden

I am still trying to get Noah and I think centi is the only best B2 option for burst gen I have besides Anis(not built). My noise havent died once before I bursted yet. Maybe if she does, I will switch it around?

[quick lake]

Yep! Should work

[unkempt kestrel]

I'll also make sure scarlet have less HP than noir.

[upper grove]

maybe at 4 seconds the icons on the right of the red debuff on Emilia? When blanc bursted no other icons on Maiden nor Moran appeared afaik

although it could also be Moran's dmg taken decrease buff

[warm acorn]

i do however mean my team

[quick lake]

Ye u're right

Probably have to squint to see the icon

[fathom rock]

Win?

[brittle hill]

grr when you actually need more max ammo for scarlet in campaign

pvp too

[fathom rock]

Scar and her 2 ammo ol where

[brittle hill]

I have three lines, it only added like 6 ammo when I got at least %40 - 50% each. 47 > 53

[swift mango]

I rerolled XMaiden twice and got a CS line, thinking I was lucky, I reroll another gear twice and got nothing. Life isn't like dream.

[grizzled bone]

the game is about gambling

[swift mango]

One day maybe another year my RL would all have 15% CS.

Nikke took the worst aspect of Honkai Impact 3 end game and made it time gated. HI3 even made the reroll lines cheaper to do after 5 years into the game.

[unkempt kestrel]

Is the goal to give all battery CS?

[brittle hill]

some of them needs to have 0 cs lines if you intend to stall

[swift mango]

Even if you want to stall bursting faster also prevent wipe so it's depend.

[unkempt kestrel]

I just got this on xmaiden after first rock to OL 😮

[brittle hill]

I just learned from someone that Noah and Noise needs to match their cs, or one of them has be slightly above. I don't remember the conversation from today. because noise taunts

[swift mango]

Yeah.

[swift mango]

Stop rubbing salt on me.

[swift mango]

I don't even know what team you are using.

[warm acorn]

@swift mango i posted my box lmao

by the way, is it more viable to put more pieces of max rank gear on one unit or spread it out on all of them?

[swift mango]

You box not your team.

[swift mango]

It pretty much the same CP wise. Put them on the one your need to have more stats.

OL will be the bottleneck soon. All your units will be with T9 gear before long.

_

Do you want advice on what to invest in your box?

[warm acorn]

ok ill just give it to my scarlet or noir. But im not sure if i should replace her with red hood.

[warm acorn]

i want team building advice ive gotten more than a few good nikke since I last got advice for my teams

[swift mango]

Like I said Idk your teams so can't give advice for that.

[warm acorn]

you can just suggest teams xD

[swift mango]

You could just ask that in the first place.

[warm acorn]

i see

so i did

just the first message got deleted because im not allowed to post 5 images app.

and i forgot to re add it lol thats on me

[swift mango]

You will have to build your Red Hood for campaign regardless.

So build her.

[warm acorn]

my rookie team is, Scarlet grave jackal liter noir in that order

my SA is the same for t1

t2: Rumani dwife priv vesti crown

t3: zwei cindy xlud anis doro

[swift mango]

Red hood is the single Nikke that 99% of end game player have maxed out everything m

[warm acorn]

story i can ask others but ill tell you here if you have advice for that. Crown scarlet cindy liter priv. as before in that order

[swift mango]

Like I said. RH will need to be maxed out. So I will give advice with the premise that your RH is the unit you invested the most into.

[warm acorn]

i mean yeah thats the goal, afaik the only unit that comes close to RH is cindy.

my wishlist for pilgrim/overspec is cindy regular scarlet grave redhood and modernia

i have to go to bed but ill be excited to see what you come up with for my teams in the morning if you get to it lol.

[swift mango]

Can you have your Liter having higher attack than Noir? Liter will be better to be P1 than Scarlet.

[swift mango]

Change your Wish list-

Put Noah, Rapunzel there for Arena. Put Doro if you don't plan to get Red Rapi. Put Scarlet Black if you care about Raid.

[warm acorn]

I can get her attack gear if you think it’s nessisary

[swift mango]

Well yeah, only advantage using Liter over RH gives, is that Liter can be P1 instead.

Provides she is linked.

[swift mango]

For Arena, you should wishlist: Rapunzel, Noah, Centi, Blanc at least.

[swift mango]

Team 1 is 27.4% deficit, their SG could kill your team after Noah wear off. Biscuit and Emi could be already dead at 2.5rl. And I don't think Unbuffed Cindy could wipe them.

T2...Win... You CP diff them by 18%. So likely kill their 2 burst 3 with treasure Laplace and they won't burst

[swift mango]

T1, keep it as is or my suggestion before.

T2, Crown+Rumani+Biscuit+Cindy+Quiry/CP flex.

T3: B Soda+Privaty+RH+Anis+Sugar/CP Flex.

[wheat heron]

help my deff PVP please, another comp, alredy used my current comp almost 2 monts

[quick lake]

T1: Scarlet Crown RH Laplace Jackal*
T2: Blanc Emilia21 Biscuit Noir Rapun
T3: Noah Centi Cindy Drake Noise

[wheat heron]

T3 just rest?

[quick lake]

Gimme a sec

[quick lake]

Laplace treasured?

[wheat heron]

yesh

[quick lake]

@wheat heron
Good to OL Rumani if u have her. As well as xMaiden

[wheat heron]

dayum xMaiden is good?

i have rumani, i'll up her litle byt litle then

[quick lake]

Yep! Decent passive buff and strong Single basic atk dmg

[wheat heron]

skipping, since i don't have SBS

[covert lintel]

sbs rerun soon

[still dawn]

Hi, please help me Building 3 pvp Teams.. I also got Noir and Sakura

[twin dew]

Hey guys, can i get some help for special arena? This is my current teams, and i have basically every nikke. Thanks

[tropic summit]

no noah, no jackal

[tropic summit]

blanc sbs rapu alice centi
noise grave cind anis rumani
xmaiden biscuit liter pmaid tia

notes: wishlist noah, scarlet, jackal

[tropic summit]

post your box in order of strength (we need to tell investiment)

T1 and T3 are kinda weird, T2 could go as is although positioning needs to be fixed

[still dawn]

Yeah I know, they are on my wishlist 🥹

[still dawn]

Thank you 😘

[twin dew]

Here you go. T1 is just random strong nikke, t3 i wanted sanis instead of alice but shes not strong enough.

[strong hull]

I do wonder where you guys do this sheet

[quick lake]

Its in the pins!
#pvp-arena message

https://tinyurl.com/kosmiu-burst-gen-calc

[strong hull]

Real deal. 🤝

[tardy anvil]

Hi, just realised I haven't updated my alt account's PVP team since the addition of red hood, scarlet, jackal, sanis.

Need a DEF + ATK team for SP Arena, thanks

[tropic summit]

you mean the burst gen? as rheax posted

#pvp-arena message

[strong hull]

He sent what i wanted already

👍

[tropic summit]

how invested is your rosanna?

[twin dew]

Not very. I have tetra gears on her and thats it

[tropic summit]

scarlet blanc rh emilia jackal
noise centi cind alice rumani
noah biscuit rapu s.anis laplace+

cubes:
quantum on jackal, centi, rumani
resil on s.anis, S3 must be lvl 9
vigor on blanc, biscuit, rapu
temperance on noah

notes: if rosanna ever gets invested and emilia has 21% CS, you can run this variation

scarlet centi rosanna emi21 jackal

[twin dew]

I thought cindi has bad burst gen. What changed?

[tropic summit]

she still does, hence why you've 2 batteries in her team and 1 standard RL

[tropic summit]

scarlet blanc liter noir jackal
noah ein rh sugar laplace+
poli centi biscuit sbs rapu

cubes:
quantum is mandatory on noir and jackal to hit 3RL for T1
quantum on centi
vigor on blanc, biscuit, rapu
temperance on noah
anyone else run high lvl cube

notes: wishlist noise, rumani and cindy

[twin dew]

Sorry what do you mean by s3 must be lv 9

[tropic summit]

her burst must be lvl 9

due to ammo requirements

it maximizes her DPS

[twin dew]

Is there a requirement for what level the cubes should be at?

[tropic summit]

quantum works even with lvl 3 as you see on table above

[tardy anvil]

Just to confirm, Rapu as in the Pure Grace Rapu? That's the only Rapunzel I have

[tropic summit]

oh just noticed, you've rumani, can use her instead, as you can safely invest on the medium/long term for pvp compared to non-OG rapu

t3 becomes

poli centi sbs rumani biscuit (in this order to safeguard b1 and b3)

[tardy anvil]

Thanks

[chilly furnace]

Guys i need help again..
I think i might find the cause and maybe how to make it work about the disconnected bug.

The test i did:
If i fight team 2 and 3 Its disconnected
If i fight team 1 and 2 its play
If i fight team 1 and 3 also play
And its need turn off quick battle, in summary i think enemy team 1 is a must to be attacked.
I just did this and it works, so need anyone else to test and confirm this Specifically in SPA
Please atk according to the clue above if you still have free attempt.

[keen vapor]

@swift mango

[chilly furnace]

Image result

I can't fight this guy since yesterday because pepega keep dc

[dawn wedge]

as someone that just logs in to do arena dailies, without spending too much time on it, can I post my units to get a recommendation on 3 teams for just general use in SP arena for attack? I know the best thing to do is change teams based on opponents, but dont want to do that every day, just want to do my dailies and try to rank up a little bit to get as many free gems as i can in low effort

[swift mango]

I did the bugged guy once today, T1 lose, t2-3 won. Switch team and fight again when my Rank dropped trying to get 3 wins, disconnected. Switch back and fight again, disconnected. So only 1 attack got through.

So it's specific guy, specific condition I guess

[worthy knoll]

I don't think so? I mean like.. in my previous vids when I got the bug, I was hitting all 3 teams but I still got the disconnect prompt.

[warm acorn]

sbs?

[quasi prism]

scarlet black shadow

[keen vapor]

Scarlet Alter

[quick lake]

Might have to do with quick battle maybe. Anecdotally, quick battles seem to have higher chances of disconnected

[warm acorn]

ahh

[quasi prism]

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-scarlet-black-shadow-nikke-goddess-squad-goddess-squad-nikke-gif-2446659483350462690

[lime night]

Sorry for the late reply been busy, ill give these a try thanks! also the best cube to upgrade next after resilience would be quantum?

[keen vapor]

Such good animations

[quasi prism]

Everytime I see this animation I always hear a little "DORYA" in my head.

[keen vapor]

True, it's there

[mossy river]

what are the best pvp teams I can do? I just got noah and saw shes good on pvp and wanted to at least make one good team

[keen vapor]

Hmm, there's no Biscuit.... Well it may be okay on early

Mmmmm there's no jackal either

[tropic summit]

sir, it seems you're suffering, may i also point out they've no mica?

[keen vapor]

Is fine, he asked for one good team

[keen vapor]

Make Noah tanky

[mossy river]

ok i will try, thanks

[quasi prism]

I was working on my maid priv when rapi got announced, I said welp guess I'm switching the gear to rapi now good thing I didn't ol it right away.

[keen vapor]

[quasi prism]

https://i.gyazo.com/51a2b9e6e55b0c2a2db637d2e4fac915.png

legit was like 2 or 3 days off from finishing her

shotgun team put behind by another release once again. 🤣

[keen vapor]

Same

[keen vapor]

You did this
https://x.com/bluenosaurus/status/1871541339805962331?t=T40wfFFkXsDC5tp74RMwAg&s=19

bluenosaurus - Nikke comic creator (@bluenosaurus) on X

Take that L, Privaty. This is SSR Rapi we are talking about.
Here, for you: 🫴 🪑

#NIKKE
#NIKKEcomic

Twitter · Dec 24, 2024, 1:00 PM

[quasi prism]

Ah shit no...

Now I actually feel bad

[tropic summit]

[keen vapor]

How you only have one Elysion set anyways

[quasi prism]

I don't have an extra helmet

I've been grinding boots for the last month

[keen vapor]

I see

[quasi prism]

https://i.gyazo.com/f9da6224b61d49270160edad11a14517.png

[keen vapor]

Rip

[quasi prism]

I actually still need like 6 more boots for ely characters alone that I want to work on.

[keen vapor]

My Elysion characters aren't overloaded

[quasi prism]

Mine aren't either

[keen vapor]

Ok, maybe Ice Maiden

[quasi prism]

Besides a glove on Diesel.

Which I regret doing now "that was done like 2 months ago"

[keen vapor]

Could have been worse

You could have give Privaty a doll just to get Scarlet right after and needing that doll for PVP

[quasi prism]

Yeah

I've kept one doll selector ready to go JUST in case

I pulled red hood

[keen vapor]

I start on R dolls tho

[quasi prism]

Fair

It's something I should be doing.

But too deep in that rabbit hole now

I wonder how much better miranda and helm will be with favorite items

[keen vapor]

Miranda Distributed damage buffer ozoraku

Helm no idea

Drake will aim at taking a place in SG team in some way

Milk no idea

[glad meteor]

4 new treasures coming. But i still don’t have 1

[keen vapor]

Same

[vapid lake]

the 4 free attacks are causing chaos in my bracket

everyone below c4 that is

[keen vapor]

They did give too much power

[vapid lake]

can't wait for them to give 4 more

[glad meteor]

Someone used their 2 attacks and chipped me on alt

[vapid lake]

because arena bugs still happen

i only have 1 extra chip left

[tropic summit]

oh just a tad

[vapid lake]

i've only been using it to take bck my spot

i can only pray that the others keep attacking each other instead of me

[keen vapor]

LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[tropic summit]

2 days left, just survive

[glad meteor]

I’m surviving in dia 3

[quasi prism]

I remember when I woke up the day they put those out and I was sitting in 8th for like 6 hours

[glad meteor]

Just accept my 2000 gems

[quasi prism]

I was like god damn it.

[summer copper]

How long do these battles take?

[tropic summit]

sir, you've encountered le bug

https://discord.com/channels/946719263866101821/1321849066266689607

[vapid lake]

man the next pvp compensation better be just gems lol

[glad meteor]

I want gear fodder and rocks

[lime night]

wondering whats the best cube for PVP to upgrade? since resilleince is maxed not sure what to upgrade now

[vapid lake]

quantum, tempering, vigor

tempering and vigor goes on ur tanks mostly, vigor is BiS on xmaiden/cindy

[swift mango]

I remember she someone said that Noise need to survive to heal. I was dubious because my Blanc doesn't need to, so I did this record to prove that Nosie doesn't need to either

[vapid lake]

laplace

[swift mango]

That is an improvement, take it.

Def is good in arena

[vapid lake]

my cp dropped even with a blue line nice

[swift mango]

Oh I guess totally wasn't 22 ranks...

[vapid lake]

line 1 and line 3 are shit roll

[swift mango]

My bad

[vapid lake]

no i was going to take it anyway because 6 ammo laplace is miserable to play

need more to spam for burst gen

i'm not using her only in pvp

[swift mango]

I would still take it for arena only

The CP drop shouldn't be that much, maybe 1-2 ranks

[glad meteor]

Less likely to be targeted by sbs s1

[tropic summit]

laplace tank meta

[vapid lake]

i actually want 4 ele on laplace

watching her kill noise and p1 scarlet is satisfying

less invested ones ofc

[upper grove]

laplace gameplay is fun anyway, big laser go BZZZZZZZZZZZT

[vapid lake]

ya and this UR proved laplace treasure has a niche i think

if iron weak boss and no core then we run bsoda or laplaceT against it

[upper grove]

my laplace+ carried me through chapters 25-26 because I have no RH

she's still 4/5/7 though because I'm saving for rapi

[glad meteor]

I just lost a sp game. But won. I can’t take this game serious anymore

Couldn’t even watch replay to see how i won

[tropic summit]

it also doesn't help that this bug happened in this period, i doubt SU is at full capacity during holidays

in fact senior engineers are probably having a good laugh at the interns left to cover for them

[glad meteor]

I was guaranteed to win against their team 3, i knew something was messed up

[vapid lake]

it's ok SU will compensate by giving everyone 6 extra attempts

[swift mango]

Simple your t1-2 loss 🤔

[glad meteor]

I got the win. It showed t1 - 3 loss though

[swift mango]

It means t1-3 won

[glad meteor]

Yeah, I wanted to see if my cope team worked

[tropic summit]

the fact that it is within possibility is concerning

[vapid lake]

i assume they gave 4 attacks because the bug was around for 2 days before compensation was given out

it they are compensating again they'll do 2 x number of days

[keen vapor]

Or maybe no more compensation

[vapid lake]

3000 gems

[swift mango]

-3000 gem

[swift mango]

Then I will just chill in c4-6 next season

[keen vapor]

You chill in C3?

How you do it without opening cases

[swift mango]

No way I could chill in c3 lol. My bracket has a +40 and a +70 whale. C4-6 is the chill point.

[keen vapor]

Same

[swift mango]

Open it

[tropic summit]

@keen vapor

[bleak latch]

C7 Nihilister

this is my first time seeing someone build Noah to link with Jackal
but how and why

[keen vapor]

Get feed

[tropic summit]

wow, you still killed their burst gen with empty p2

[limber patrol]

how does 5 mg vs Jackal look like?

[tropic summit]

heaven for the attacker, hell for the defender

[limber patrol]

anyone have a video with 3 nikkes (Jackal 1 of them) vs 5 mg?

maybe too specific

[keen vapor]

There are not enough Emma users out there

[limber patrol]

what does Emma do on pvp?

[keen vapor]

Heal

When she faces MG/SG

[tropic summit]

Heal based on how many times she procs her passive by being hit

e.g. similar to jackal, she benefits against feed

[limber patrol]

is 5 sg team a thing?

[tropic summit]

5 sg when you know enemy has no scarlet can work

also no jackal tbf

[limber patrol]

I see. Because on the burst gen tool and guides they mention like xRL and xSG

[tropic summit]

mhm

7SG is 3.5RL iirc

[limber patrol]

clip sg?

[tropic summit]

the order goes like this

1. clip RL
2. clip SG
3. standard RL
4. standard SG
5. anything else

in terms of burst gen contribution at least

this gives you a good clue:

as you can see clip RL are on top, followed by clip SG, finally normal RL

a clip RL is potentially around x2.5-x3 the burst gen of a normal shotgun (or non clip SG)

[glad meteor]

Attack OLs on noah, and link scar too so sanis get’s hit by scar s2 when she hits noah

Since sanis is the main noah biscuit counter

[limber patrol]

which other character has burst gen feed like jackal? is jackal currently the best burst generator?

[keen vapor]

Clip is when you reload in minor amounts

[limber patrol]

the worst type of shotguns 😭

Does Grave have better burst gen?

than other AR?

not counting the burst gen she gets after burst

[glad meteor]

Yeah

[limber patrol]

I don't see Grave on the list...

[glad meteor]

Same base gen as og scar

[limber patrol]

og scar has more burst gen than other AR characters too? why?

[glad meteor]

Maybe because she has a higher damage multiplier compared to other ar’s maybe

She also get’s 0.45 gen every time her s2 triggers

[tropic summit]

jackal has an unique burst gen due to her kit, no other nikke has similar feature

[tropic summit]

give it a look if you want to, it's good to get familiar with burst gens

https://tinyurl.com/gatrix-burst-calc

[tardy bone]

Hello guys! I come for advice What PVP Arena teams can I arrange?

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

~~ AR clip~~

[tropic summit]

oi, he doesn't have mica

[tropic summit]

post your box in order of strength so we can see investiment and take it from there (no need to filter by b1, b2, b3)

[tardy bone]

kk

[keen vapor]

I think he give up

[tardy bone]

I wasx finishing RAPI last chapter

[tropic summit]

can make as is 2 teams, 3rd just auto in whatever is high CP

scarlet blanc rh laplace+ jackal
bay centi cind pepper asuka

cubes:

quantum is necessary on jackal and centi
vigor on blanc, pepper, cind
temperance on bay

notes: you badly need to build/sync noise, biscuit and rumani, make sure to wishlist noah

once you done the above, a third team is doable

[tardy bone]

This is the list by power! Sorry to take so much to send it.

[tropic summit]

no worries, i somewat made it anyway

[ruby forum]

Hello, I’m not very good at arena and looking for any suggestions on sp arena teams please. 😃

[tardy bone]

I tried using the calculator! But it said "Reading Only" thats a very amazing excel with awesome calculations

[tropic summit]

try this one

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JUiiuHysG3vlWRPVx_wT6zUwkc5Ob9n8G0azCbuwlA8/edit?gid=0#gid=0

in the meantime i made you a cope team for T3, but i can't recommend it due to high feeding (it's essentially going to be scarlet-jackal'ed)

once you've noise biscuit and rumani built up, we can make a sort of stall team

[tardy bone]

Noise, Biscuit, Rumani team. Got this, Once I have them ready I will message you!!!

Thanks a ton!!!

[tropic summit]

no rumani?

[tropic summit]

scarlet xanne rh sbs jackal
noah noise biscuit s.anis laplace+
centi rapu cind emi alice

cubes:

quantum mandatory on xanne and jackal to hit 3RL
quantum centi
resil s.anis, must be burst skill lvl 9
vigor noise, biscuit, rapu
temperance on noah

everyone else can have highest available cube

notes: invest rumani for extra battery and possible variations

[ruby forum]

I have rumani but she’s not invested at all

[ruby forum]

Thank you!

[orchid birch]

@tropic summit come visit rq

[white compass]

I have 2 lines of charge speed on Emilia, both 3.75 and S1 at lvl 4 for 10.28%. Total 17.78%.

Is it more viable to roll a 3rd CS roll, or roll for higher percentages? S1 lvl 10 only gives 13%

Goal 21%

[keen vapor]

Multi posting

[tropic summit]

nothing escapes Echo's vigilant eyes

[keen vapor]

[glad meteor]

Getting 5.36+ through reset cs is low probability

I’d level up the s1 to 7 then go from there. Though i forgot what % cs that is.

[white compass]

That's only like +1.2 more percent

[glad meteor]

I think i have s1 8. 4.92 + 4.04

Depending on how bad the other rolls are you could roll a third line. Is all rng, i usually end up losing cp when rerolling and forced to reset attributes to fix it

[frank dune]

Help with pvp how to beat and also help me make a team am not good at pvp

[tropic summit]

hi komi, start by posting here your nikke roster ordered by strength, vertically

[graceful grotto]

you lost the first one?

[frank dune]

Yes

[tropic summit]

their teams:

[quick lake]

T1 deficit

[tropic summit]

you can scarlet blanc rh noir jackal either t1 or t3, then use your cindy team with cp padding on the other, you can skip t2

just doublecheck your CP

[frank dune]

How does the calculator work

[tropic summit]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11KWYeyvef91A-vfFuqglJJ8-OhR90TcKFVpJ6Ny_5h4/edit?gid=1990278246#gid=1990278246

front page tab describes how it works, give it a read

[frank dune]

Thanks

[hot comet]

I still got KO'd 😮‍💨

That damn immunity and healing

[swift mango]

I think you should stop hitting this one. Or Bring Biscuit or a healer along to beat it.

[swift mango]

Unless you out invest or lv Gap a ton, your 3 nikkes will just be auto attacked

[limber patrol]

why DKW?

[muted stag]

This is a win right?

[thorn pagoda]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1177116972593463316/1321341866712633374/Desktop_2024.12.25_-_04.41.26.11-1.mp4?ex=6772d1c2&is=67718042&hm=d9097900d1689857a37e5e5dd43f63d39b7cc78c3a69bf39066d9109f2386638&
i still use Emma in pvp
although i probably shouldn't since she uses a Minigun

put her in slot 1 though

[swift mango]

Move RH to p2 maybe, or she could get stuck hitting Rumani.

Team 1 do you have Grave or xAnne invested? Use them in p2 instead. I worry your Scarlet can't wipe

[quick lake]

Like Blood mentioned, Scarlet needs at least 1 buffer (and may not be enough still).

Noise in T2 also not doing much there

[keen vapor]

Mary noooooo

[muted stag]

I have all those you guys mentioned

[keen vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1026322546934698004.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=whyyysnapped

[muted stag]

Xanne 4/4/7

Grave 7/7/10

[muted stag]

Swop noise to rapu?

[swift mango]

Do you have a wipe? Like Cindy? Your red hood with stick attacking Rumani in this team.

But I guess it's okay because Cindy will get stuck at Noah too.

[glad meteor]

I think rumani taunt is like noise iirc

[muted stag]

i got cindy and sbs both quite well invested doll 15 with 4 ele 4 attk

[swift mango]

RH hit p5 on attack team

[glad meteor]

Oh no. Yeah

[swift mango]

She hit Rumani by default

[glad meteor]

Totally forgot about that. Too many interactions crossing

[muted stag]

i burst first and have cindy

Aight that works

[quick lake]

Generally Just Noise + Cindy would do. Using RH to buff Cindy is overkill
Something along: Noah Cindy Biscuit ClipRL Noise, should suffice for Cindy Comp

RH traditionally paired with Scarlet-Jackal.
Noise paired with Cindy
The remaining units can all be burst gen/Noah units

[glad meteor]

Flex needs to be clip i think. Cindy gen so bad

[quick lake]

@swift mango @tropic summit @glad meteor @lunar dirge @cedar orbit My testing matrix for pvp cooks
Defending teams are the TOP Row, Attacking Teams are the LEFT columns. Eg Defending 2RL ScarJackal wins 83.3% against all simulated Attack Comps on the left column. Note that this matrix is purely theorycrafted and not empirically tested

Commonly used SPA setups and their win/lose against other different comps. The RL speed is the final speed (final speeds taken into account cs/feed). Defending teams are the top row, Attacking teams are the columns

[keen vapor]

Noise Noah Cindy the strongest team

[quick lake]

Was trying to find ways to evaluate CA teams and I thus simulated all possible teams vs each other to see which teams are best

My speculation is that CA is blind 5v5

[keen vapor]

2 RL Blanc Emi

[swift mango]

How do I read this? DEF team on the left or top?

[quick lake]

Yep Def team is top. Similar to Keripo matrix

[swift mango]

I didn't read Keripo Matrix.

[quick lake]

The Win/Lose is in the perspective on the defending team, which the the top rows

The purple highlight are the one's that im unsure of

[swift mango]

Jackal-Noah-Scarlet suck I guess. Take that Noah Jackal owners

[quick lake]

[coarse lake]

label them defender and attacker

don't make ppl try to reverse engineer what side is what based on result, then through the win %, etc

don't do a keripo

[quick lake]

Matrix probably HAS errors, so definitely not accurate (cause im newb too). Mostly from a theorycraft perspective rather than empirical/testing

[glad meteor]

2rl blanc emi biscuit loses to 2rl scar noah jackal

[keen vapor]

How do you make win rate?

[swift mango]

@cedar orbit

[coarse lake]

did you not include full teams bc of the many variations (due to enemy not coordinating with you)

[quick lake]

Yeah, I mostly simulated by team "archetype". The empty spots can be thought of has regular burst gen fillers to achieve given RL speed. The matrix was done purely from theory craft to see which archetypes wins against other archetypes

[coarse lake]

also how is your noise noah cindy reaching 2rl without jackal

[keen vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1026322546934698004.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=whyyysnapped

[quick lake]

Anis Centi 4x quantum. I think its like 99.99% burst gen based on calc, but CN pvp said it was 2RL so

[keen vapor]

Yes

[quick lake]

[coarse lake]

this is with worst case scenario cindy gen

always calc it with smol white to be safe

[keen vapor]

[quick lake]

Yeah, 2RL Noah Cindy not possible. Unless 24.7% Emilia

[coarse lake]

that's the main problem with 2rl cindy atm

if you wanna use a non-clip rl, better use jackal+feed or else you ain't reaching 2rl

[swift mango]

Just replace Anis or Centi with Jackal

[glad meteor]

Maybe against noah or noise p2 with taunt prio

[coarse lake]

and if you're using jackal honestly that's a waste

jackal makes the comp weaker depending on what you use to counter it, cindy will lose hp dmg before decoy

[keen vapor]

Heck, I need to get taunt prio off from my Noise soon

[swift mango]

Without Jackal even if the team reaches 2RL, Noise could still be Laplace'ed and can't burst anyway.

[coarse lake]

yes without jackal you still need rumani

[glad meteor]

[quick lake]

Referencing CN cooks

Its like 99.xx % in burst gen calcs

[coarse lake]

can't trust that

[keen vapor]

Don't we need 100?

[coarse lake]

although with cindy it's not as bad as a full regular rl team

[swift mango]

Rumani gen more than Noah

[coarse lake]

tbh, with the exception of noah and biscuit, it's not worth it trying to fit in a regular rl

[quick lake]

Okay. Plz ignore that 2RL Noah Cindy guys It was mostly for me to test 24.7% Emilia

[coarse lake]

won't make the team any harder to beat using 2rl noah

you use up all your quantum slots, and might not even reach 2rl

[glad meteor]

Imagine having 4 black lines cs

[swift mango]

Not for people who invested in Quantum. There are more of them than just Keripo.

[coarse lake]

sure, then you're bricking your acc or og gigawhale

[quick lake]

Matrix is just for sharing and discussion purposes

[coarse lake]

main issue is still that your team isn't really any stronger

[swift mango]

Brick what?

[coarse lake]

union chips

[swift mango]

Lv7 is enough

[coarse lake]

lvl 7 is 4 slots

[swift mango]

For other cube if their focus is arena

[coarse lake]

you're using all of them to attempt to reach 2rl

that's the problem here

well not a massive problem, but still

[glad meteor]

Quantum cube doesn’t really do much most the time

[coarse lake]

I wanna see a vid of one of those teams in action

[swift mango]

Like I said, rather than getting your resilience to 11+, they get their Quantum to 11+

[coarse lake]

bc I'm not trusting any of them to reach 2rl

[keen vapor]

So we Adjutant all the way?

[coarse lake]

doing that is bricking your acc

[swift mango]

Not really.

[coarse lake]

it is unless you got more union chips than you know what to do with

[quick lake]

Yeah, I also find it quite sus that 99.xx% becomes 2RL speed. Apparently CN pvp has a whole list of "solved" pvp solutions, so it was quite interesting to see nonetheless

[coarse lake]

yeah I've seen a lot of them, cookie cutter setups

[swift mango]

After getting

Resilience, Bastion, Quantum, Vigor, Adjustant and Tempering to 7.

The rest is just priority.

[keen vapor]

We need 100

[coarse lake]

noise/flex/bscar/bay/biscuit
noah/rapunzel/cindy/laplace/emi
ever seen those?

[keen vapor]

Noise/B1?

[glad meteor]

I’d go level 7 quantum > temper > vigor> adjutant > relic > endurance

But I’m getting more slots on resil

[coarse lake]

resil and/or bastion should be at 10 before you do the rest

[coarse lake]

yes

[keen vapor]

Nah

[keen vapor]

Endurance what on earth you'll use endurance with

[swift mango]

Like I said. Not everyone focus on raid. Not getting top 1% on SR doesn't mean they are bricked.

[coarse lake]

it's also campaign

[glad meteor]

I use it to sac p1 using sbs s1, control who gets targetted

[keen vapor]

Me no longer will focus on raid

Time to reset SG team

[swift mango]

In that case, just Resilience to 10 for CP padding.

[thorn pagoda]

once the quantum cube gets to level 7, it takes 70 of those batteries to max it out. ffffff

[keen vapor]

Who gets targeted?

[coarse lake]

there is not a typical pvp setup that requires quantum higher than 7, even in this situation wasting chips on quantum lvls is solely to attempt those setups while having quantum for elsewhere

when you can literally do different, more reliable setups, and not need all those extra quantum lvls

[glad meteor]

Lowest defence. I can use endurance to manipulate those with lower defence so i choose who gets targetted

But i probably shouldn’t level up though

[coarse lake]

if you need cube lvls for stats for cp, that's where your pve cubes like resil come in

[keen vapor]

[coarse lake]

tbh I'd recommend vigor lvl 10 over quantum lvl 10 any day

[swift mango]

Well, look at Keripo set up. He used more than 4. CA may also require more than 4.

Quantum is better for CP padding in Arena than resilience or Bastion

[coarse lake]

keripo got like every relevant cube maxed or near maxed...

dude's like day 1 whale, been consistently in top ranking union

[swift mango]

His Quantum is his highest last he showed it.

[coarse lake]

old players have insurmountable advantage in cube lvls

[glad meteor]

Imagine being day 1

[coarse lake]

yes and he can auto all of campaign already, and place top 200 every raid easily

ppl like him basically solved pve already unless pushing for top 10 raid

he's also the one that fully built units like og maiden for pvp use, bc he can not a good role model for the avg pvp enjoyer

[swift mango]

You can beat Campaign with just lv8 resilience if you played long enough.

And Bastion is useless in Campaign right now because Crown exists at top meta

[coarse lake]

yes but higher resil lvls help you with stats and cp in pve and also pvp

quantum is only pvp, and niche

[quick lake]

I lvled my quantum to 10 alr

[swift mango]

You said bastion lv10 for campaign

[quick lake]

Bastion at 8

[glad meteor]

I’m going for extra resil spot since sanis is perma resil

[coarse lake]

and/or

my bastion is lvl 8, bc I don't use it except for specific units

but the typical pve route is both high focus

[swift mango]

It's useless for campaign if you have crown so even level 7 in a stretch

[coarse lake]

yes with crown bastion use in campaign is almost zero except for very specific units, but for non-crown comps in raid it's still good

regardless, still miles more valuable than lvl 7+ quantum if you care about all content remotely equally

I only got quantum to lvl 7 this month btw

only reason I did so is that I started cooking a lot of comps that wanted the extra tier, allowed me to go from using 3 quantums a team to 2

literally only reason

both my scarlets are on bastion always

emi on bastion as well, allows me to only reload when full burst is fully over

[quick lake]

We got more interesting cubes coming up too. Might need level them too

[coarse lake]

yes there's upcoming atk% cube, at some point

[bleak shale]

how many comps have u found that needs quantum 7 so far?

[coarse lake]

cubes are very high invest, and irreversible

[glad meteor]

This why i want level 7 quantum. I want jackal to be perma quantum. Or else i need to use anis

[bleak shale]

im pretty sure ive seen 2

ever

[coarse lake]

need? none, but lvl 7 would save me a slot, that's why

[bleak shale]

[quick lake]

I've seen quite a few comps needing Quantum to hit 2.5RL for CA teams

[coarse lake]

if you wanna hyper invest into pvp cubes, do vigor/tempering before quantum

[bleak shale]

quantum or quantum 7

[quick lake]

For SPA teams, I think having Quantum7 helps Jackal-feed teams to hit that 2RL/2.5RL speed much more reliably

[coarse lake]

quantum extra stats rarely matter since your quantum'ed units rarely wanna face tank

[quick lake]

Quantum7

[coarse lake]

vigor and tempering the stats actually matter, since said units will be face tanking

[quick lake]

SPA teams generally, the lowest bullet teams are like ~18 bullets. So having Quantum7 seems more reliable imo Mostly anecdotal, not tested

[coarse lake]

I don't see quantum 7 being much of an upgrade over 4 even in that situation

and it's also heavily rng since feed is rng

[bleak shale]

only rng feed should be scarlet s2 which isnt a huge ammount

[glad meteor]

rng on defence perspective kind of good against some opponents. Creates inconsistency for the opponent to work around

[coarse lake]

and I'll be honest, endurance shouldn't be slept on entirely, actually has some use in redirecting enemy bscar attacks if you wanna make use of it, and is very cheap to do so, lvl 4 is enough for this

[bleak shale]

unless your getting target skip

[coarse lake]

but that's like the only use

oh yeah forgot that jackal isn't actually rng

[quick lake]

Welps, my Quantum at 10 alr. Cant do anything about it now

[glad meteor]

Give

[quick lake]

Endurance on.. Moran?

[coarse lake]

no she doesn't need it

for example in a tauntless comp with biscuit, it's possible to manipulate def so that bscar's primary target (lowest def) is actually a defender

I do it on my indom scar team so scar is lowest def, making it a tad bit harder for enemy bscar to sustain through, since getting more counters

tbh I'm not sure doing that actually helps

[glad meteor]

She gets more def as hp gets lower with s1

[spiral onyx]

With the introduction of Cindy and Rumani, Maiden has lost her PvP spot

[coarse lake]

well ig endurance could be good on moran if it gives you enough def to make them hit for 1

[quick lake]

BScar target's lowest defence opponent? I dont undertsand

[spiral onyx]

It's ok though, she's still hawt

[bleak shale]

its ok we have new maiden now

[coarse lake]

bscar's primary target is lowest def

[bleak shale]

im pretty sure its additive to whatever she already has

because all our other modifiers r all addtive

[coarse lake]

I still feel like tempering is better on moran

gets better the more you stack, and she stacks a lot

[quick lake]

I think the SR cubes, defence multiplier 37% is multiplicative on def?

[spiral onyx]

OG Maiden with summer skin still the best

[coarse lake]

dmg reduction is the one defensive modifier that gets better the more you stack afaik, 0% to 10% is worth a lot less than 80% to 90%

so tempering is quite a good pvp cube esp if you're purple dolled and have ways to increase it more

[glad meteor]

35.14 + 17 + 9.69

[bleak shale]

unless defense is calculated differently, it should be based off base defense

[coarse lake]

yeah endurance is additive, but if enough to get moran high enough def to take 1s, could be worth

[bleak shale]

like atk%

[coarse lake]

I don't think anyone else can get enough def to take 1s

so for everyone else, endurance is inferior for sustain

[quick lake]

Oh yes, my bad.

[bleak shale]

the whales in my arena have high enough def to take 1 because theyre like 200 levels over me

[keen vapor]

What?

[coarse lake]

cindy + 2 burst gen does more dmg than maiden + 2 buffers, probably more gen too, and doesn't need jackal (which maiden kinda needs)

[keen vapor]

Which Maiden

[coarse lake]

regular maiden

[keen vapor]

Ah, I thought we knew that long ago

[coarse lake]

well.. yeah

[quick lake]

Our OG nukers not hitting as hard anymore

[coarse lake]

for most folk maiden was never worth the invest

uses up jackal, needs 2 buffers

[swift mango]

With the cost of getting Endurance to 7 you could get Tempering to 9.

So ofc it's better

[bleak shale]

boomers getting retired

[coarse lake]

endurance to 7 is actual brick

just use a low lvl endurance for def% mischief and that's it

and yeah tempering still better overall since good on everyone

[quick lake]

Milk and Drake treasure kit plzzzz

[coarse lake]

even if endurance is great on your moran, rest of your roster is still fked

[glad meteor]

Main use i saw was gen + pseudo sanis taunt to give her time to survive noah while biscuit bursting

[coarse lake]

if you gotta use a sg nuke, I think mpriv is the best option

[quick lake]

Any thoughts on Moran + Bay + SBS/SAnis comp? Seems pretty OP to me

[bleak shale]

she was used a long time ago, i had her on team 3 and suddenly boom nuked

[coarse lake]

unless you can reliably get bsoda to get full burst bonus or something, not sure how that works

[glad meteor]

Can she beat Moran Noah though

Seems slow

[coarse lake]

throw on a single defensive unit and 2 buffer sg nuke prob can't kill if equal invest

and they have minimal followup

[quick lake]

BSoda post nuke, is still pretty good

[glad meteor]

I ran her earlier.
Bsoda blanc rh emi jackal

It said i won against moran noah sanis biscuit anis but didn’t see replay

[coarse lake]

if you gotta build a sg dps that isn't sanis, either mpriv or bsoda, unsure who's best, but both good for raid sg comp, so not wasted invest

I'll prob have to use at least one if not both of them if cooking 5 teams

[bleak shale]

thats the secret, theyre already invested for sg team

[coarse lake]

prob got enough feed to outspeed their moran is my guess

[glad meteor]

I ran the numbers. I’m not 2 rl

[keen vapor]

Am I ?

[glad meteor]

Maybe if i switch emi out for clip

But i like emi p3 sub damage

[glad meteor]

[coarse lake]

nah you got enough for sure

[glad meteor]

My soda isn’t linked

[coarse lake]

even with base emi, minimum 21 feed from their team at 2rl

ok then less feed

[bleak shale]

doesnt ur bsoda just die then

[glad meteor]

T2

This wasn’t my recent fight though. I got more ele

[coarse lake]

I think their moran bursted, but you did have emi splash

oh yeah bsoda is also ele adv

yeah you'll be fine even if moran bursted

[glad meteor]

Her multiplier is so bad though

[coarse lake]

what lvl is her s1 in that vid

[quick lake]

Isnt BSoda multiplier decent

[coarse lake]

I read up something about lvl 7+ s1 lets her nuke get full burst bonus or something

[glad meteor]

7/5/6

[bleak shale]

lvl 7 lets her get her atk buff from burst iirc

not full burst bonus

[coarse lake]

oh

that's a pretty big dmg boost then

still mid

[quick lake]

628% * 1.65 = 1036% nuke

[bleak shale]

just get like 80% ele on her smush sanis anyways

[quick lake]

Not the best, but decent at least

[coarse lake]

su really doesn't want us to get good buffless nukes, they intended cindy nuke to be half as strong as it is rn

[quick lake]

pvp forgotten game mode

[coarse lake]

no it's not forgotten, more like it's the sticker on the fridge reminding them to double check if any unit they release is gonna be op in pvp, and make sure that doesn't happen

a few accidents got through, like emi

[bleak shale]

the more we figure out the less accidents get through

[coarse lake]

oh also to remind them to never give us any great b1 or b2 options

they've unfortunately been very successful on that front

[bleak shale]

like i dont think they would let alice sbs get through, it wasnt publically known how alice s1 worked until like 1 month before sbs

[coarse lake]

rumani was them pitying us

and even then, complete trash kit

[quick lake]

Inb4 SSR Rapi explosion dmg hits 5 enemies

[upper grove]

So I've been reading the cube investment discussion and I want to ask:
My res cube just hit lvl 7 and after this UR bastion will also be 7. Rest of cubes is less than 5 or 4 even. Keep in mind I've just started late August with EVA, I doubt ppl in my bracket have super invested pvp stuff.
Which cube should I upgrade next? I'm not really focusing on SR rn

[bleak shale]

i would type info from a dream but i think i should just go back to sleep instead before i get put to sleep

[coarse lake]

alice in her entirely is probably a mistake, their biggest mistake

the interaction with bscar is just the cherry on top

[coarse lake]

oh yeah we got that...

[quick lake]

Resi for general PvE use cant go wrong. Resi to lv 10/13 is fine

[bleak shale]

iirc first time anyone ever posted it was november (i'm pretty sure it was me) let me go check

[coarse lake]

just cindy or emi nuke it

I've fought a few iterations of it, not really a big problem

[upper grove]

I can do that. Should I go for Vigor or Quantum though? Vigor is apparently also good on pve cindy and quantum lvl 7 seems nice to have but idk

[quick lake]

Can Noise Cindy take it down? I would think the nuke isnt a OHKO

[coarse lake]

cindy just has to outspeed bay b2

[quick lake]

Would probably go for Resi to 10 first. More universal. Vigor currently only works well with cindy. Other slots kind wasted imo

[coarse lake]

if bay bursts (and they got biscuit), you might not win

[quick lake]

Hmm got it

[glad meteor]

I’ve tanked noise cindy with moran biscuit. investment and level diff, mileage will vary

[bleak shale]

november 29 2023

i spent the day figuring it out

[coarse lake]

[bleak shale]

so basically ~1 month before SBS launch it became publically known how alice s1 worked

[swift mango]

Not threatening unless they have Biscuit. Even then, that team has speed problem with Biscuit added in so 2-2.5RL wipe would kill it easily.

It's kinda a very strong 3rl team but with 2.5RL above wipe everywhere it's useless unless you could have 15% CS on Biscuit, Bay, SBS, and the Clip RL that went with them.

[inner valve]

need help with pvp, i am still using pvp teams back in the old days with scarlett/jackal, looking for 3 teams to work with, i have all characters except ruan mei and some event limited characaters

[quick lake]

Yeah, that was what I was thinking too

[swift mango]

Also, SBS is hard counter by biscuit.

ASS+Moran+Bay+Biscuit can't reach 2.5RL unless use use with Jackal or sth.

I was more successful using Noise instead of Moran... You could reach 2.5RL with 16% CS on Noise, Bay, Biscuit and the Clip RL as well.

That's hella lots of Investment though. So GL with that.

[quick lake]

That was exactly what I mathed too

[limber patrol]

Let's say you have everyone and well built, which would be the best team for rookie arena?

[quick lake]

Probably: Noise Scarlet Noah Rapun Jackal

But still counterable

[swift mango]

Noise+Noah+Centi+Cindy+Jackal

[quick lake]

Both works

[limber patrol]

I just need Noah

[quick lake]

[limber patrol]

and it would be like a 3RL team?

[swift mango]

2RL

[limber patrol]

My current 2RL team is: Jackal, Centi, Cinderella, Rumani and xMaiden...

Noise instead of any make the team 3RL

so idk how Noise works on other teams but not this one...

[quick lake]

No perfect team. Every team can be countered. So malding rookie is pointless

[limber patrol]

I ran out of pvp credits

[swift mango]

Noise instead of Xmaiden. Noise p1. Jackal p5. Quantum on Rumani, Centi, Jackal. 2RL.

[quick lake]

Me too no worries Its normal

You will run out if u buy out the ele skill mats/furnance

[swift mango]

You will run out if you spend 15k a day everyday.

[limber patrol]

nope

my current team...

[quick lake]

With jackal feed it will be 2RL

[swift mango]

Jackal feed is at least 3 more.

With Jack links in p1-5, they can't NOT feed.

[vapid lake]

Noise jackal centi cindy sr anis will get u 2RL on the calculator but need quantum cubes

[swift mango]

97+3 = 100 at 2rl

[quick lake]

Tldr, trust. Its 2RL comp

[limber patrol]

what about this? (no Rumani, extra support from xMaiden)

[vapid lake]

Need noise to guarantee the one shot enemy team

[quick lake]

Its alright I guess. But Noise heal here is more valuable. Noise burst provides more dmg that xmaiden buff. More sustain post-nuke as well

[vapid lake]

0 buff cindy risky

[swift mango]

XMaiden doesn't buff the nuke dmg.

[limber patrol]

why not? she gives buff when she replenish mp.
She gets mp when the first burst is done and full burst

[spiral onyx]

Previously all other DPS carries need 2 buffers and there weren't enough burst gen to satisfy both 2 buffers and 3RL without either severely crippling your other two teams or running someone other than Maiden

[swift mango]

Yes, and it's full burst buff, Cindy burst finished during B3 phase, too early for Full burst buff.

[quick lake]

2nd wave of cindy's atk benefit from full burst buff I think

[spiral onyx]

Rumani solved the missing burst gen issue, letting you run other 2 buffer DPS carries instead (like MPrivaty, Ein, etc)

Then Cindy came along and said "lol, who needs buffers"

[limber patrol]

why it's full burst buff?

[spiral onyx]

So yeah, OG Maiden got retired out of her niche

[swift mango]

Rail tested when Cindy first came out in union range, no buff.

2nd wave still happened before Full burst phase.

[quick lake]

Hmm really? Sky tested that 2nd wave of cindy's nuke benefits, maybe I misremembered

Also I think "recover" and "replenish" are different. Only "replenish" procs xmaiden buffs I think

[spiral onyx]

This is true. But even just the flexibility of running a half buffer or even a partially invested buffer is huge

[swift mango]

The 10sec sustaining dmg benefit from XMaiden at least.

[spiral onyx]

Flexibility is what makes strong units truely strong.

[limber patrol]

what's replenish then?

and how does that mean full burst

[spiral onyx]

The more strict the setup requirement, the more fragile it is and more easy it is to become irrelevant in the future when a counter comes along

[swift mango]

Recovery =/= replenish

SU and their wording. Taken lesson from Yu-Gi-Oh 100%

[spiral onyx]

Scarlet continues to this day to be a meta DPS because of how flexible she is... Kill by AoE nuke, kill by counterattack, or kill by raw damage during full burst

[robust blaze]

what are 3 pvp teams i can make? recently got noah and ik she's really strong. need to update my old teams

[spiral onyx]

Jackal is top tier because you can pretty much throw her in any party in any position and she contributes, even with lvl 1 skills

The more flexibility a meta unit comes with, the longer they will likely stay relevant

[swift mango]

Read her skill 1 again.

[upper grove]

100%. Reading the ability explains the ability, until it's translated incorrectly like rapi B3

[swift mango]

Red Rapi s3 got translated incorrectly? Link to the issue please. I wanna read more.

[upper grove]

Apparently EN says the attachments explode when using B3. KE/JP says during full burst they always explode. EN makes it seem that explosion only happens once by activating burst

[swift mango]

Well, it's not much of an issue since we have known this since day one.

[quick lake]

Seems like KR/JP should be correct. The gameplay demo clearly shows them exploding

[swift mango]

The problem is if it could hit 4-5 targets or not.

Please let it hit at least 4

[covert lintel]

it's just another kilo then

[swift mango]

What?

[covert lintel]

kilo is mg with screen wipe burst

[swift mango]

If Rapipi could hit 5 during burst then she is basically SBS that can't be taunt

Or Cindy if her nuke is single target then her AoE sustain dmg x10

Or Emilia but no one shot and need less buffer

Would need to pair her with Rossanna I guess.... If doesn't want to auto lose to ScarJack

[quick lake]

Doubt we'll see her hitting 4/5 targets, but we can hope

[robust blaze]

help pls

[limber patrol]

What are the chances those bombs generate burst bar?
I want to use Rapi on pvp...

[limber patrol]

Sorry need to sleep

[swift mango]

Still likely minimal burst gen

[swift mango]

Why no Cindy?

[robust blaze]

? i do have cindy :p she’s the first unit

[quick lake]

Brb

[quick lake]

No centi, no Rumani?

[robust blaze]

i have them, just not built

i have almost all units except RH

[quick lake]

Do sync and basic OL centi/Rumani

[robust blaze]

thanks!

[robust blaze]

would I run the scarlet team for rookie arena as well?

[quick lake]

Rookie can run:
Noise Scarlet Noah xMaiden Jackal

[coarse lake]

I would not run unbuffed scarlet in this day and age

[coarse lake]

won't matter

she doesn't fire a single bomb pre-burst unless your team is 4rl or slower

before burst she's purely a regular mg

[raven plover]

ya ser 120 bullets on 30 fps

[swift mango]

TBF, RedRapi AoE dmg isn't even that impressive even if she does hit 5 targets with the explosion. It would just trigger 5 times during burst. So they should just make her hit 5 so she could at least have some niche in Arena

[strong hull]

Midpi soon.

[swift mango]

Yeah, they should make Redrapi b3 skill have -100 ammo requirements and a radius that hit all 5 in arena.

[fathom rock]

Skill req for noise?

[swift mango]

5-7-7

7-7-7

7-7-10

10-10-10

[fathom rock]

my noise is prearing
And rapunzel just 4/4/4?

[swift mango]

Her healing skills should be 7...

[fathom rock]

[swift mango]

Ofc just 4-4-4 and do you best

Is fine too.

[swift mango]

Just roll Rapunzel with 5-4-5 for now. And Noise 5-5-5.

AgentEon would probably do 4-1-4 on Rapunzel if he only used her for arena lol...

[fathom rock]

Noise already 5/7/7

[vapid lake]

I'm actually watching the chaos in my bracket caused by the 4 tokens

Everyday i see a different name in c3 because the previous c3 drop all the way back to d1

[fathom rock]

can relate

[vapid lake]

Theres more different names probing my defense too it getting scary

[swift mango]

Be glad they didn't drop you to d1 then.

Today is nearly end of Season. My bracket became chill because they know they can't change their rank anymore.

[fathom rock]

I drop to d1 everyday
After the chips I started dropping below diamond.......

[quick lake]

More SPA attempts = more sweaty

[fathom rock]

Pov my daily dish :

1st guy is f2p
2nd guy has full c7 squad
3rd guy has full mlb and some cracked ol
4th guy straight up is 40 lvls higher and full mlb
5th guy idk him

Hey atleast I'm making progress

[swift mango]

Top 7 and below in my bracket just doesn't have the synch level and/or arena investment to beat me. So it's impossible for me to drop below c7-8 (in case the dude in c5-6 dropped to there and hit me)

[fathom rock]

Everyone in challenger here spent a kidney on nikke

[swift mango]

Once I dropped the CN +40 whale to C7 lol

[swift mango]

You mean they all +100 level u?

[quick lake]

My greatest achievement this season. Top 6 all core7 peeps and somehow Im retaining top 3

[swift mango]

Kidney is at least that expensive

[fathom rock]

Nah either high lvl, 550k cp at 20 lvls below me (I cap out at 510k) or c7 full squad

[fathom rock]

My goal

[quick lake]

Pvp investments slowly paying off but still sweaty

[swift mango]

550k for 3 teams? At 281+?

[fathom rock]

At 301

[swift mango]

[fathom rock]

Idk what they are feeding their units

[swift mango]

3 whole teams and only 550k total?

[fathom rock]

550k per team*

[swift mango]

How do you have 550k per team at 281 (20 level below u)?

[fathom rock]

I almost always play on a deficit
And 1st place is lv347 but has total 2m cp or so

[swift mango]

Even my campaign team isn't that high

[fathom rock]

Not me, them
Idk either, I'm 331 they 301

And all of them haven't even pushed campaign as far as me

[swift mango]

Like I said, just how?

[fathom rock]

[swift mango]

Screenshot their teams then

I don't believe it's possible without whaling

[fathom rock]

Yall already help a handful with them
Oh they whaled
A lot

[swift mango]

And if whaling no reason to have such low level

[fathom rock]

Some whale dupes
Some whale ol
Some whale lvls
1st place whaled them all

His teams are 3 solo raid comps

[swift mango]

Then what are you to have 30 level above the whale?

[fathom rock]

Hey they don't know how to whale good enough, I get to strike and win

Pepega whales is my bracket in 2 words

[swift mango]

No reason you have 30 level above them even if you clear 20 more hard mode chapter than them as F2P

[fathom rock]

Hey it is what it is

[swift mango]

Is this you?

[fathom rock]

Nah

And that's the guy that keeps beating me

Then I beat him back...

Bro has more power than me despite the lvl gap

Or this ryu guy which I hate to go up against

[swift mango]

This guy doesn't look like he would have 3*550 arena team to me.

[swift mango]

This guy is ofc have the level for 3 550k teams

[fathom rock]

That mf is the one

And I'm still at 1.2m for defense total

[lunar dirge]

looks fraudulent enough for me

when did you start btw?

[swift mango]

This

[fathom rock]

1/1

And I didn't miss a day

[lunar dirge]

so half a month diff

Compared to me

I'm getting to 1,5m on attack and 1,4m on defence

[swift mango]

Then your leveling speed isn't faster than me if you at 331 now. Slower even.

[lunar dirge]

And this is without any treasured units

[fathom rock]

You conveniently have more lvls Tham me tho

[lunar dirge]

17 levels

[fathom rock]

Yeah

[lunar dirge]

I'm 348 now

Even then, just add 100k

to what you have

[fathom rock]

I can open some boxes to 333 but not much else

[swift mango]

I'm 320, 2+ month after you. 1.35m def. Up to 1.39m attack.

[fathom rock]

Did I get shafted by 160 wall

Oh well still possible to fix this bracket

[lunar dirge]

f2p?

[swift mango]

If my team is around 410k below I could get CP gapped by lower guys so my Def needed to be 430k at least.

[swift mango]

Ya

[lunar dirge]

gj

[lunar dirge]

fun fact:i the least PvP invested guy in my bracket

I only have Rosanna and emi at 4/7/7 for PvP only

And lvl0 ol on all my PvP units

I'm starting to struggle against laplacet and 40% emilia's

[quick lake]

Most ppl dont have OL on pvp units

[swift mango]

Playing too many games to spend on any game now. Maybe Azur Lane for those sweet skins

[lunar dirge]

my whole bracket does sadly

[lunar dirge]

wow, skin shop simulator game

[quick lake]

There was a point in time I played 6 gachas concurrently

[fathom rock]

And this guy in diamond

[swift mango]

It also has some hard bullet rain challenges if you were sweaty enough for that

No reward for beating them though

[fathom rock]

Ex stages are no fun but that's a convo for #off-topic
Reward is bragging rights

[lunar dirge]

sure bro (I ain't playing another gacha)

[fathom rock]

What pisses me off about those players :

[swift mango]

Your bracket is real sweaty to have 40% Emi lol

[lunar dirge]

It's 2 guys

Who just happen to touch me

[swift mango]

[fathom rock]

Like there is no way they didn't buy lvls

[swift mango]

You sure it's 40% Emi though?

That would need like 4 black line

[lunar dirge]

40% atk is easy to get

4 t9 lines is enough

[swift mango]

Bruh...

I thought it's 40% CS

[fathom rock]

[quick lake]

[lunar dirge]

Like

[fathom rock]

I'd like a 40% cs emilia too
Is that even possible

[lunar dirge]

My Emilia has

50% crit damage

[quick lake]

Nah

[lunar dirge]

And 2 hit rate

That's all

[swift mango]

I think around 25% from 4 black line. 2% from Cube. 13% from skill.

So 40% should be possible or at least close.

[fathom rock]

Oh shi

[swift mango]

2.12

[raven plover]

[fathom rock]

39.49 cs

[quick lake]

Not worth it for the regular person

[raven plover]

I have no atk for emi

[swift mango]

Close

[quick lake]

Expensive if u need both CS and Atk on Emi

[fathom rock]

Only a few 2k rocks or so

[swift mango]

I would priority CS over attack because Red+Blanc

[quick lake]

No Emi, so dont have that problem

[fathom rock]

My mind auto translated red to rouge

[swift mango]

My Emi is core+1 so that's a natural 10% attack line already.

[raven plover]

I got pretty lucky on getting emi CS

[quick lake]

Just get lucky

[swift mango]

Just get lucky and max core Redrapi in one 10 pulls too

[upper grove]

jfc are they just chilling with campaign?

[swift mango]

They should be 20 level below you alright with this kind of clear and borderline F2P.

[clear depot]

Most likely aome people just don't like to do much hard mode

[upper grove]

at synch 300+ not even clearing low HM is 🧱

but apparently they used 💳 anyway

[cedar orbit]

I will let you guys know that 2 RL Cindy is the best team

[fathom rock]

Who's gonna tell him?
Me ig

There is no such thing as absolute best team it depends on the opponent
And for defense 2rl cindy takes away alot of units from other teams

[keen vapor]

@tropic summit

[iron falcon]

Solve this shit two days that I can't participate

[limber patrol]

Got that bug too, waited like 10 minutes and it was fixed

[iron falcon]

You've been lucky, I've been waiting two days for an attempt.
I already fell down to diamond 4
being in Challenger

[upper grove]

all attempts used

[tropic summit]

the idea is good, more data never hurts

[tropic summit]

poor guy must be going by brute force

[tropic summit]

i'm gonna get some food in the belly then take a look

[upper grove]

yeah your new cooking helped, he broke my old own cooking after 2 weeks

[strong hull]

Blood-kun im down to dia 3

Joever

[tropic summit]

are the people above you CP padding you?

[strong hull]

Ultra whale

C6 above cant win

[tropic summit]

[tropic summit]

assuming worse case scenario, do we know if they running 2.5RL on their scar-jackal?

[quick lake]

That Anis sac wow

T2 can run a delayed comp:
Rumani Blanc Biscuit Cindy Laplace/Attacker
T3: Standard 2RL ScarJack

[keen vapor]

Is 3 RL

[keen vapor]

My Rosanna uninvested :deadge:

[umbral crown]

Why not coool

[bleak shale]

poor

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

done eating, rheax suggestion seems interesting

although can a 2RL scar jack kill sbs/laplace/RH pre enemy B3? 🤔

[umbral crown]

Echo with skill issues

[quick lake]

2.5RL double buffed scarlet should do it too. Or Scar + Blanc + Jackal

[tropic summit]

i see, but they've barely any feed on T3

[quick lake]

Have to rely burst gen units

[tropic summit]

mhm

which means, @keen vapor , do you've anyone with 17% CS?

[quick lake]

Scarlet Laplace Blanc Centi Jackal works too, no?

Hm okay, maybe not enough bullets

[keen vapor]

No

[keen vapor]

Bud, my lap is 1 star

[tropic summit]

how about this @quick lake ?

god sbs 2RL should survive indom scarlet, while also absorbing nuke
T2 single buff emi indom should make it, although i personally don't own her to have full picture of it

rapu is there to revive her after rosanna kills her

[quick lake]

Looks okayy

[tropic summit]

how do we look with CP if we're to run the above, @keen vapor -kisama?

ignored their T3 because it's padded to the heavens

[quick lake]

Oh wow, T3 is really interesting

Wow thats actually really smart. I’ve never thought on invuln Rapun for revive

[tropic summit]

the worst part is when the enemy is doing it on defense with cp padded teams, even if they're slow af if they revive their nuke and indom it it's byebye

meanwhile echo disappeared, maybe he has finally decided to open his red dust boxes

[quick lake]

Indom might go to Rapun though. Rapun revives full health I think?

[tropic summit]

nah it's not full hp

rapu skill lv 6 is

i doubt echo has rapu burst on higher than lvl 4-6

[quick lake]

Hmm not sure whether Noah SBS can kill opponents indom unit in time, for T2

[brave prawn]

Can someone tell me what the best teams for defence are in rookie and special arena. Or is there a guide where i can find them?

[quick lake]

Gonna steal ur invuln Rapun idea @tropic summit

[tropic summit]

i think i've an example

[tropic summit]

albeit this one had biscuit, so it's gonna be relying on noise and noah stalling without invulnerability

then again it's gonna be roughly 7 seconds of scarlet solo against 5 near full health nikke

while sitting at 1hp

if she still makes it...

[gaunt cypress]

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

[quick lake]

@tropic summit can any team counter Blanc Rapun SAnis Biscuit

Where SAnis can be any DPS, maybe RH or SBS

U can do like. 3.5RL team and still win almost all the time

[tropic summit]

hmm in case of SBS she's hard countered by p1 taunter with biscuit, same with RH as she'll get stuck hitting p1

s.anis is slightly different due to attacking highest atk%, although she can still be taunted by 1 taunt and 1 attract iirc

[quick lake]

Biscuit Invuln 5s, Blanc 10s, stalls out most things

[tropic summit]

e.g. noah in p1 and moran in p5

although the best way would be to shut her down with scarlet indom

s.anis will suicide on scarlet

[quick lake]

SBS and RH more easily countered, but eventually that 5s + 10s is hugee