pvp-arena

[coarse lake]

centi is better than xmaiden, needs less feed to reach 2.5rl

[tropic summit]

what displeases you in this tho? 🤔

aye aye, she's there

(i kinda liked her splash tho)

can we update this into 2.1 then?

[coarse lake]

easy to beat

noah biscuit t2, scar jack t3

[tropic summit]

well you know more than I do that anything against a skilled player is gonna be easy to beat

[keen vapor]

Surely Moran team is harder to counter

[coarse lake]

I'm still of the mindset that unless your rapu is beefy enough to live a double buff scarlet nuke, using sanis in defense is a trap

[tropic summit]

what would that team be?

[tropic summit]

hmm then maybe ein instead of s.anis? 🤨

[coarse lake]

you do no dmg

[tropic summit]

aye buffless...

sbs but hard countered by biscuit... 🤨

[keen vapor]

Sakura

[tropic summit]

maybe echo

it is time to unleash the

(schrodinger)

[keen vapor]

[void pendant]

With my first team, I beat the first one. Team two, I have it just for show, I don't have many nikkes up, with the third team, I see that I need to recharge, since noise dies first and rapunzel revives noir when she dies.

[tropic summit]

[keen vapor]

This

[void pendant]

Does placing the recharge cube on noise and rapunzel fix the problem?

[keen vapor]

The team is the problem

[tropic summit]

you can do as echo suggested

#pvp-arena message

[tropic summit]

2.2 - schrodinger revision

[keen vapor]

[tropic summit]

[keen vapor]

Where

[tropic summit]

can't you see it, it's staring at you

🤔

[keen vapor]

Why you used 2 Blancs

[tropic summit]

because i forgot

[keen vapor]

This is just standard Scar jack without Jackal

[tropic summit]

nah i'm not convinced

scratch 2.2

[keen vapor]

[tropic summit]

just to wrap up, the fixed version

[keen vapor]

Put Anne in Scar team and I'll believe you

[tropic summit]

do you've anne?

because i sure as hell don't

[keen vapor]

Soon™

[swift mango]

Everything 3rl in defense with be killed by 2.5rl ScarJack. Everything is a trap.

[coarse lake]

that's only if you feed them

[swift mango]

Scarlet jackal can get to 2.5rl easily.

[keen vapor]

Feed

[swift mango]

Just change up the team a little

[coarse lake]

ok now it doesn't have the dmg to 1 shot

[tropic summit]

blood may be right here tho

regardless of feed, it seems b3 hits before noah b2, when 2.5RL against 3RL

[coarse lake]

if your bscar and rapunzel is dying to 1 buff scarlet you got bigger problems to deal with

[tropic summit]

(do correct me if wrong tho)

[swift mango]

Give centi 17% and it's already 2.5rl

[coarse lake]

there's a reason why fast scar is unreliable against standard blanc emi

[swift mango]

Very easy change

[coarse lake]

bc you can't kill the rh with most matchups

[keen vapor]

That's why I requested Anne

[tropic summit]

Echo so wise

but then again... i can't cook anne as i don't have her

kinda wanna get her if she ever does get a rerun tho

[coarse lake]

do that then

[coarse lake]

wait until they also cs

[warm acorn]

Can someone give me a team 2 and 3?

[keen vapor]

A vid! :Hideri run:

[tropic summit]

@keen vapor

[keen vapor]

I don't think Rumani survives a 3RL in P1

But if Lap treasure can (or if not), I think that's better

[tropic summit]

laplace blanc cind centi rumani? 🤔

[keen vapor]

Yes

[tropic summit]

hmm that's fascinating

although i've a feeling a scarlet is gonna kill blanc pre 3RL

[warm acorn]

Hmm?

[keen vapor]

nah, just SR5 her and put tempering cube on her

[coarse lake]

centi/rumani/cindy/cliprl/anis if worried

they gotta run a strong laplace + emi to have a chance to kill rumani in 2rl

if you run 3rl cindy just use noise

[keen vapor]

[coarse lake]

downside is you might not force them to noah biscuit

if running 2 subdps they gotta noah biscuit unless they god comp

[keen vapor]

Eon, can you help us? I need to save data for update

[coarse lake]

[tropic summit]

wish i could give you a bit of my wifi

[keen vapor]

You can say no

[coarse lake]

for what, I don't do general team def cooks for the public anymore bc it's boring

[keen vapor]

Boring?

[tropic summit]

to save you the time, echo, this is the material available @keen vapor

crown
cind
privaty
rumani
rapunzel non OG
dkw
xlud
alice
anis
dorothy
noise
biscuit
vesti
bsoda
quency
pmaid (out of sync)
pepper (out of sync)

[keen vapor]

There's some challenges from time to time

[coarse lake]

if they got all the key units, same cookie cutter cooks, if they're missing many units, becomes a pain to cook

and neither is gonna help me with gaining pvp knowledge

[keen vapor]

Alice low CP still huh

[tropic summit]

people like Agent have an immense knowledge of PvP that any cooking is probably boring at this point

[keen vapor]

Exactly a challenge

[swift mango]

Cooking is just boring.

[coarse lake]

cooking def is boring as hell after you've done it a while, cooking atk is either boring as well or interesting, depending on matchup

[keen vapor]

What about making defense against a Rosanna user

[coarse lake]

if I can recommend a scar jack and a noah biscuit for atk, it's boring

you can do that to like 95% of defenses out there

which is why I say sanis is a trap, unless rapu is beefy as hell, there is only a single sanis comp that resists the standard scar jack

[keen vapor]

Yes

[keen vapor]

Rapu SR 5

[coarse lake]

however what I have come to realize is that a shockingly low amount of ppl actually do standard scar jack + noah biscuit

which is why you see cooks where they have a def team that is obviously weak to scar jack somehow still defend

[keen vapor]

Problems of doing the work for others

[coarse lake]

the avg person's ability to attack well is shockingly low

a dumb cook can win out a smart one bc of it, another reason why I don't like to cook, what is technically the better cook can be worse due to their attacker's lack of cooking ability

[swift mango]

Because ScarJack is like 99% of my rookie. Very low amount.

[coarse lake]

there isn't a single standard scar jack in my rookie

[swift mango]

Defend stand because CP and the whole 3 team. Mainly CP.

[coarse lake]

in fact, less than 3 ppl in my rookie have teams even remotely standard

and even then none of them are that common

most throw together random stuff

[keen vapor]

What about this guy? how you will make successful defense if you know he can use this

[coarse lake]

even if they know enough pvp to not just use pve units, it's still poor cooks

[swift mango]

Yeah,there is zero stand scarJackl in my rookie. Just a standard scarJackal with Jackal 17% CS

[coarse lake]

which I suspect is the reason why sanis setups still work if dealing with avg ppl

[swift mango]

CP is the real Defense here. And OL is the real Meta in SP.

[coarse lake]

t1 skip
t2 bscar god
t3 moran/pepper/biscuit

[swift mango]

Nothing to suspect about that.

[coarse lake]

well you can fight t1 if you want, not that hard

but it's more of a pain to cook for than the other 2

[keen vapor]

Not attack a successful defense

[tropic summit]

noise anis cind pepper vesti
rumani biscuit b.soda privaty alice

3rd team auto with highest CP

[coarse lake]

if I can look at a team an immediately figure out attack teams, it ain't worth the cook for me

[swift mango]

The problem is always CP.

[coarse lake]

just try whatever you can until something sticks

[keen vapor]

[coarse lake]

t3 can also lose to blanc emi rapu

cooking a def team to deal with good cooks is very different than dealing with avg joes

[tropic summit]

hmm Eon you raise a good point, but what would be the solution to that?

[coarse lake]

main issue is, if they're good enough cook there is no def that works

*except cp diff ofc

that's the ultimate def

[coarse lake]

solution to what

[quick lake]

Champion arena come fasterrr

[coarse lake]

ppl running def teams that I can easily cook up ways to beat? nothing, bc the avg joe doesn't know how to cook, so that def team probably still fine

[quick lake]

Also somewhat limited units to cook with

[coarse lake]

even with cp diff you need to cp diff them with 2 teams

[tropic summit]

yeah, i think you just answered then... in terms of "average" player base, you make def teams that work against a majority or have high win ratios, because customized def teams may work only against specific opponents in their bracket

[coarse lake]

winning 2/2 teams and skipping the cp diff team is very doable for ppl that are good at cooks

[tropic summit]

CA cooks are gonna be more interesting than SP cooks, simply because the meta lineups won't be always available

[coarse lake]

with how few ppl apparently can run good scar teams, even moran biscuit sanis will work for def

[quick lake]

3 meta line ups and 2 bad line ups

[keen vapor]

Noise Blanc SBS worked against my Noah Biscuit SBS team there was no deficit only 40 level diff

Guess what I did

[coarse lake]

yeah dumb cooks like that can sometimes still work

[keen vapor]

Next level gaming

[coarse lake]

that's another problem with cooking def teams, sometimes you overestimate the cooking ability of a theoretical attacker so much that you end up being beat by a random mid team an avg joe cooks up

[keen vapor]

He outsmarted me

[quick lake]

Isnt a good scar-jack just, having a buffer/Noah or Noise

[coarse lake]

cooked so much it somehow became undercooked

ig overcooked works too

good scar jack is simply scar/blanc/rh/cliprl/jackal

that's the standard scar jack that apparently no one knows to run

[quick lake]

Cause Blanc used in some indom team, which arguably easy to counter as well

[keen vapor]

Guess

[coarse lake]

you copied their def?

[keen vapor]

No, what I did to beat him

[coarse lake]

bring another buffer

[keen vapor]

Nah, too slow or that's what I thought

Keep guessing

[coarse lake]

a lot of setups work, just get indom onto noise and deal enough to rest of team, cindy can do it unbuffed

that's my last guess, too many options

[keen vapor]

[tropic summit]

dunno there are many variations and either 2.5RL or 3RL, to name a few i've seen/use

scar blanc rh centi jackal (most common)
scar blanc rh noir jackal
scar xanne rh centi jackal
scar blanc anis centi jackal (2RL)
scar centi anis rosanna jackal (2.5RL)
scar blanc rh emilia21 laplace+ (aggresive splash, 3RL)

[coarse lake]

the only good scar def comps are ones with either blanc or rosa, or both

[keen vapor]

I mean, I ended using 4 RL team Moran team you mentioned but with rapu instead of pep

[void pendant]

Hi, in PVP, how do you determine which Nikke can generate more energy recharge than another? I have faced teams that do not contain rocket launchers and they gain energy immediately. Is there a guide I can read and find out about this?

[coarse lake]

unprotected scar def is asking to get noah'ed, so unless your other 2 teams need noah to beat, it's weak

[tropic summit]

yeah those seem to win more often too

[coarse lake]

2rl setups are easy as hell to make these days

[quick lake]

Im surprised no one uses Mari. Mari alone is equivalent to 2 buffers

Less Noah blocked of course

[tropic summit]

availability issue probably, tbh i don't actually consider xanne in my cooks because i assume most ppl don't have her

[coarse lake]

scar mari actually works against jackal sanis when scar blanc doesn't (due to feed), but still need 17%+ centi jackal to work

[keen vapor]

Either you check burst gen chart in calcs (pins) or you find a burst gen tier list

I could send tier list but need to save data

[quick lake]

Yeah, I think Mari is actually key to scarjack comps, with 17% cs

[coarse lake]

mari isn't that special, they don't need to block her

[tropic summit]

this section will drastically help you:

https://tinyurl.com/kosmiu-burst-gen-calc

[coarse lake]

just block scar, mari nuke isn't enough dmg

[quick lake]

2.5RL Ros Mari Scar Jack

[coarse lake]

although mari might be able to make you resistant to bay, but haven't tested

[quick lake]

Ros + Mari can kill main Dps without sacc

[coarse lake]

rosa is carrying that team

[quick lake]

Yep definitely

[coarse lake]

actually can threaten 2rl noah

[keen vapor]

Snow Buddy

[tropic summit]

@keen vapor what teams did you have in mind in the end btw?

[coarse lake]

if runnning 2rl scar, at least run enough sub dps that the avg p1/p2 noah will die pre-burst

to force them to also use jackal or biscuit

or just rosa

[keen vapor]

Moran buffer Cindy of some sort

[quick lake]

Hmm but with dolls, I think u cant reliably kill then in 2RL

[tropic summit]

oh oki

[quick lake]

U need like Laplace and/or Xmaiden

[tropic summit]

moran is out of my field for now

[keen vapor]

Moran 4/4/4 saiko

[quick lake]

Expensive and mostly slow

[coarse lake]

for most use cases low invest moran is fine

as in, moran biscuit setups, which is the only remotely general use for moran

[keen vapor]

[coarse lake]

if going niche then she wants high invest, to solo sustain

[quick lake]

Double buff scar still kills Moran teams

[tropic summit]

what's a typical moran team actually? something like these?

[coarse lake]

yeah ofc, but ppl dont' run them remember

[keen vapor]

So true that's why I use Crown Buffer

[quick lake]

Tbh, Moran team will win T4/T5 CA teams which typically single buffed BSoda kinda teams, or 5SG leftovers

[coarse lake]

but yeah it's why I would still never do moran biscuit setups in def, all they gotta do is have a strong enough nuke and you lose

sustain sanis setups, while still weak to standard scar, can prob live through weaker scars

so good enough against the avg joe

ppl don't seem to know to run emi nuke either

[tropic summit]

tbf i've been considering the 2 defenders and cindy + biscuit lineups for adding defense against nukerinos

[coarse lake]

actually idk what the avg joe even runs for atk

[tropic summit]

rumani centi cind biscuit flex

or more generally

p1 def, p2 def, cind, biscuit, flex

[quick lake]

ScarletJack and Cindy probs

Noah on one of them

[coarse lake]

nah cindy isn't popular enough yet

scar jack maybe, but definitely not the standard one

[quick lake]

Really??

[keen vapor]

They use Vesti as battery

[quick lake]

Everyone uses Cindy in my bracket

[tropic summit]

that's a load of copium

[coarse lake]

once ppl see a cindy team work they copy it, doesn't reflect the overall situation

[keen vapor]

Indeed

[quick lake]

[coarse lake]

0 runnable cindy comps in my rookie

[keen vapor]

Cindy P1

[coarse lake]

yeah that too

[quick lake]

[coarse lake]

better if the avg joe doesn't use cindy, bc they gonna use p1

[tropic summit]

i think the most common teams used are

scar jack
3RL or 4RL emi

and they skip any team that needs cooking

[quick lake]

And Cindy last

[coarse lake]

looking at this, ig they run a scar and a sanis team

[quick lake]

But yeah, thats the SPA teams

[coarse lake]

emi maybe, but definitely not the proper emi teams

[tropic summit]

s.anis is less common in my bracket

everyone running emi cuz it defaults win

[quick lake]

Emi and SAnis kinda similar

[coarse lake]

sanis is easier to build

[quick lake]

Either Blanc Emi/Sanis or Noah Emi

[coarse lake]

so unless they have had prio success with emi, prob won't use it

[quick lake]

Thats about it..?

[tropic summit]

opponent running 3RL? ok 3RL noah emi
opponent running 4RL? ok 4RL noah emi
opponent running 2RL? guess what, 2RL noah emi

[coarse lake]

you can't throw emi into a random team and work due to the delay

sanis can work still

[quick lake]

Truee

Hope CA mechanics is fun

[coarse lake]

and even if they try cindy they prob do p1 cindy and lose, and never try again

so yeah I think scar and sanis are the most common attacking setups overall

sustain sanis is surprisingly common

noise/noah/biscuit/sanis/rapunzel, order changes a lot, but those units

ig enough avg joes struggle with it (since not running standard scar) that they copy it

tbf it does win against like all random comps

[tropic summit]

yeah it has high win ratio against many comps

[quick lake]

Well, avg joes dont cook pvp as often

[tropic summit]

at the end of the day that's the core issue

we've got a lot of rocks, lesser paper and lesser scissors

[coarse lake]

the way the matches go have to fundamentally change in CA for things to get real spicy

[keen vapor]

PVP remains unbalanced since Keripo days

[quick lake]

Yeah! Hopefully its something interesting

[coarse lake]

by that I mean something other than you can see their def, and attack them with recording, but they cannot see what you attacked with

need to change that somehow, or else it's still boring

[tropic summit]

1 minute cooks, can't see lineup before it reveals, fight 5 matches in a row, nikke cannot be re-used

opponent teams are shuffled btw (team 5 may be team 2, team 4 may be team 1. etc)

[quick lake]

Yeah, blind 5v5 kinda

[keen vapor]

Can only see center unit

[quick lake]

1 team exposed, 4 hidden teams

[tropic summit]

everyone gonna put their shittiest comp as center unit

[keen vapor]

Center unit of every team

[quick lake]

Centi centi rumani rumani

[tropic summit]

information warfare

[quick lake]

Exposes all B3 units

Please give us interesting CA SU

[coarse lake]

sp already only shows the highest cp unit of each team

[quick lake]

Hope sync locked

And more gems

[keen vapor]

the unknown reward

I hope for doll mats

[tropic summit]

tbh let's just hope it doesn't involve ratting and gemming, but rather 1 attempt each day for each opponent in the bracket and score based on rounds won

give whales the chance to gem and they will 100% gem you to heavens

[quick lake]

Yeah. Gemming just becomes whale ego fight

[keen vapor]

I need more maintenance kits

[tropic summit]

I need to cook (dinner) instead, look at the time

oh was checking rookie expecting le usual china bullying but today it's closed

[void pendant]

The page won't load, is there any restriction?

[tropic summit]

try this instead

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11KWYeyvef91A-vfFuqglJJ8-OhR90TcKFVpJ6Ny_5h4/edit?gid=1990278246#gid=1990278246

should be open to anyone tbh

[swift mango]

I hope for rocks

[quasi prism]

Merry christmas and Happy Holidays y'all.

[umbral crown]

was about to do rookie but then i remembered its close

[swift mango]

I was thinking of test 2RL XMaiden in the early of the day. But nope.

[solid flare]

where is Xmaiden:ice rose on the pvp burst gen table?
nevermind my version did not auto update
its above clip SG, sigh now i have to invest.

[tropic summit]

back to

[umbral crown]

[warm acorn]

thank you so much

[lime night]

wondering if anyone has any good SP arena def recommendations getting hit hard by someone 40 levels under quite often (basically missing rumani and laplace treasure)

[tropic summit]

so much potential

synch lvl 540 jesus le christ

[tropic summit]

post your current 3 teams out of curiosity

[keen vapor]

So whale

[keen vapor]

You being defeated by true PVPer

[keen vapor]

Move Summer Anis and Centi

[tropic summit]

sir, we got a bigger problem

B1 doko

[lime night]

i usually use something of this sort

[lime night]

Although nothings been working well lately

[tropic summit]

oh naruhodo, we found your issue me thinks... that T2 is screaming scarlettable

[keen vapor]

Time to fit Rumani in

[tropic summit]

T1 and T3 are probably fine as is, one of them is getting their noah countering you, the T2 tho is allowing their scarlet to punish you hard

[keen vapor]

Is supposed to be scarletted?

[tropic summit]

aye 3 sgs feed may aswell kick a 3RL scarlet into a 2RL

[lime night]

Hmm yeah but im not quite sure how to upgrade it, since im just dumping most of the stronger pvp units in there

[keen vapor]

No, Scar team is not fine, Rosanna is not bursting

[tropic summit]

let alone the fact they may die alone to scarlet counters

[keen vapor]

Wait, there are like 9 teams in that screenshot, I was looking at the right side

[tropic summit]

elaborate

[tropic summit]

oh ok because i was bluescreening

[solid flare]

Looking for defensive team that would preform well from behind as this account's sync is 347 but the server is between 380~410

[keen vapor]

No Rumani time to use Mica

Again, Summer Anis in position 2

[keen vapor]

Yeah, I'm reaching your synch while starting after you need to push hard campaign

[solid flare]

summer anis straight dies be4 Idom kicks in.

[keen vapor]

Does she have SR5 doll at least?

[solid flare]

this account is just kinda really far behind.

[tropic summit]

do you've rumani aswell?

[solid flare]

i have bad news

[lime night]

nope missing that and laplace treasure. so yeah thats kinda rough i understand now how shes quite useful

[tropic summit]

oh alrighty...

let's get you a cindy in T2 instead

and take away those 3 SGs feed

[keen vapor]

For Blanc biscuit setups, DPS needs to have at least SR5 doll

[solid flare]

maybe we forget the idom team then

but this account cannot form a 2RL cindy team.

[keen vapor]

Push campaign push

And always buy event stamina when hard mode is open to farm core dust

[solid flare]

I know what needs to be done, but as im looking after this account for a friend, i cant push their hard campaign for them.
Im just trying to band aid their SP arena def.

[tropic summit]

scarlet xanne centi rosanna jackal
noah noise cind anis SBS
blanc emilia RH biscuit rapu

T2 i'd personally feel does a massive upgrade now, from scarlet weak to 3RL invulnerable nuke, they gonna have to rethink if they were focusing that one with a 3RL scarlet that was promoted to 2RL or 2.5RL due to 3 SGs feed

once you find rumani, replace anis with her

[lime night]

Ill give that a try, is not using Sanis a good idea? since i maxed her out pretty hard i thought she'd always be somewhat useful

[tropic summit]

other 2 teams are quite strong as is and need specific counters

[lime night]

Thanks! appreciate the help

[tropic summit]

she'd be if used as the only 1 shotgun, you using 3 in same comp

that's 3 times feed on a scar jackal

if you intend running s.anis, you'll need to reconsidering t3 and t2, but i wouldn't touch them yet

try with this approach and see if it throws them off, else we can change t2 and t3

we could also promote jackal rosanna team to a 2.5RL to add further variation

[lime night]

Will do, thanks again if you have any other comp variations ideas let me know ill give them all a try

[tropic summit]

sure, hit me up again if they still win with this change, we can spice it up further

[solid flare]

I think no small part of def is just having more than 3 'best' teams and just rotate between 2/2.5/3RL Nuke teams to burn their gems

[tropic summit]

yes rotating teams will add a chance opponent screws up

unless they're skilled and informed

[solid flare]

but once people start burning gems, you run into a logistics problem like union raid.

ive heard horror stories of whales hitting over 20 times a day to keep their number 1 place.

from the other guys in my union

[solid flare]

is this a better def lineup? just three 3RL speed teams?
or is there nothing to cook here?

[tropic summit]

i'd try this

noise centi cind emilia alice
blanc sbs rapu biscuit xmaiden
scarlet grave rh xanne jackal

quantum on jackal and centi
vigor on noise, rapu, biscuit
temperance on noise

rest high lvl cube

wishlist asap rumani to add 3RL potential to T2

[oak gale]

is this the correct team? @tropic summit just put noise in the syncro

[tropic summit]

yeah looks fine now

[oak gale]

[tropic summit]

extra value if you can ensure s.anis is the one with the least HP, that way if noise dies, she will be targeted for indom (rumani should naturally have high hp), you could give vigor to xmaiden if she's lower.

viceversa if noise survives she will receive indom and she will keep taunting

[solid flare]

why grave?

[tropic summit]

less feed compared to a noir

although your CP will lower, it decreases chances of losing to a mirror scar 2RL

[solid flare]

and i want the grave buff over the X anie?

[oak gale]

im not sure bc summer anis is like 5 5 5 5 ol relics , the rest are all 0 0 0 0 normal for now

[tropic summit]

xanne actually becomes flex in that comp, you could sub her with any higher CP that is not feeding, although you ran out as they're used elsewhere

you could keep T3 as is with rosanna if you confident they're not countering it

[tropic summit]

if you can't achieve that it's still fine, noise dying pre 3RL is generally not happening

it's just extra value on that team indom

[solid flare]

Im just trying to lower the amount of losses due to CP deficit

[tropic summit]

well if CP is priority do just that, could keep 2 meta teams and a CP padded one, the weakest one in this case

atm i'd say t2 can become your padded team

that'd be the one with SBS

place biscuit in p4, a defender in p1, rest can be just massive CP pads

[orchid birch]

@tropic summit

[swift mango]

Finally open ur boxes? 😀

[worthy knoll]

How about opponent running 3M CP IDoll Series team?

[solid flare]

you do no get in the of the way of True love between a person and their waifu iDolls

[tropic summit]

[umbral crown]

Rail new MA

[tropic summit]

it is done

@orchid birch

[orchid birch]

[tropic summit]

now to hold it against whales

[umbral crown]

be te whale

[orchid birch]

oh hey rail, you remember this guy?

[umbral crown]

[strong hull]

@keen vapor

its a real deal

BusinesSusAgreege

[tropic summit]

[keen vapor]

invest

[tropic summit]

arena refreshes are always bringing interesting things

[keen vapor]

Maid team, I remember it

[umbral crown]

do you

[keen vapor]

It didn't work SBS couldn't deal enough damage before succumbing to Maiden basics

Only 20 levels diff

[coarse lake]

record vid

also why is their maiden the indom unit

you probably didn't do the comp properly

yeah I don't see how their indom target could possibly be maiden

[coarse lake]

where vid

[thorn pagoda]

poor guy doesn't know what he's doing

[keen vapor]

Can't, need to save my data

[coarse lake]

then describe to me what happened

who died at what time and what order

[lunar dirge]

washed

[keen vapor]

First Noah

The rest of the team was trying to sustain itself while countering enemy heal and getting them down

Links in both team died and only Rapunzel and Maiden were left

[coarse lake]

when did the first death happen, before or during full burst

and who was it

[keen vapor]

During full burst, Noah

[coarse lake]

your bscar couldn't kill them?

bscar normally takes max 5 seconds into full burst to completely wipe a blanc team down to only the indom

[keen vapor]

Besides having max skill 1/burst and SR15 doll, no, she couldn't

Not before dying as well

I need more Noise dupes

[coarse lake]

your bscar is too weak

[keen vapor]

I may lack attack lines

[coarse lake]

you shouldn't even need them

were you in cp deficit

what's your comp cp

[keen vapor]

If he knows how to do teams, he should know to invest them, maybe his jackal has SR5 doll

[coarse lake]

is maiden unlinked

[keen vapor]

No way Emilia has less attack

[keen vapor]

But yes, she was unlinked, that's how everyone else died

Just Maiden at half HP and Rapunzel

[bleak shale]

is maiden ever linked considering shes a defender?

[keen vapor]

My point

[bleak shale]

ude need like 4 atk and 0 on emilia and even then she might not be linked

[coarse lake]

primary target is gonna be scar or emilia, I don't see how maiden can live to the end like that

[keen vapor]

Investment

You don't get it Eon, he's the only one in my bracket who I can respect

[coarse lake]

ok

then replace rapu with xmaiden, see if you can kill them before you die

although you prob die as soon as noah invuln runs out

[keen vapor]

Scar jack with Mica skill2 at lv4 almost gets Indom on Scar before Rosanna nuke happens kek

[coarse lake]

how much hp were their linked units at a few seconds into full burst

[vital turtle]

help with defense teams please? 🎄
cant hold 3rd anymore in sp def, most people in my group are hitting 360 synchro and im at 352

currently running these teams for sp def

Naga/Centi/Maid Priv/Liter/Noir
Noise/Jackal/Scar/Blanc/Tia
Noah/Biscuit/Emilia/RH/Rapunzel

rookie def

Blanc/Emilia/RH/Biscuit/Jackal

[keen vapor]

HP on both sides were diminishing slowly

Can't recall exact percentage

[coarse lake]

weakest bscar in history

how much s1 invest is your maxwell, and is she higher atk than noise

[keen vapor]

Smartest investor in history

[keen vapor]

Maxwell skill 1 is 7 no overload, R0

[keen vapor]

Yeah, first team is the main pro-... Huh, that's an interesting Blanc team, I like it

[keen vapor]

Is your Emilia.... Wait, Biscuit is fine there... How's Biscuit doll?

[coarse lake]

wait

ooo good idea, imma have you be my guinea pig

[vital turtle]

level 5 blue 🥲

[coarse lake]

noise/jackal/rapunzel/cindy/noah, go do that

cindy god comp, I wanna see if cindy's extra counter dmg taken is enough to ruin the comp

[keen vapor]

Actual buffing

[coarse lake]

and record it

if your cindy can't kill them, then you got an account invest problem

their team was 3rl right

actually shouldn't matter, you're probably 2rl with feed anyway

[keen vapor]

I would try to get it to level 15 (with blue kits) and put Vigor cube on biscuit for better survivability

But the real problem is team 1 there

[coarse lake]

your cindy better be higher atk than rapu

t1 is bad, t2 noise is wasted there, t3 rapu is useless there, but it's a decent comp

there really is no reason to run noise in a scar jack comp

sure you can run scar god, but that's quite weak these days

[keen vapor]

Cindy with maxed doll 1 attack line (no limit breaks) is still 4k less attack than Rapunzel R15 0 attack lines (2 limit breaks)

:deadge:

But I got 4 ele

[coarse lake]

ok what about maxwell, higher atk than your noise?

[keen vapor]

Rapu is for keeping Biscuit alive/not getting problems with skill 2 not proccing a second time(?

[coarse lake]

yeah ig, but it's very small heals that probably won't matter

[keen vapor]

0 overloads R0 doll
And Noise has an attack line

[coarse lake]

so who has higher atk when accounting for lines? I assume maxwell

[keen vapor]

Maxwell getting surpassed by 2-3k

Noise attacks very useful in tower

[coarse lake]

then noise/bscar/maxwell/jackal/noah if you think a tad bit more atk is enough, which it prob won't be ngl

or do a noise/jackal/noah/cindy/centi(anis/rumani)

noise noah I assume same cs

your cindy better be higher atk than noah and your clip rl

chance you die to indom scar, but whatever

[oblique ridge]

I think... I just realized that my arena group changed When did that happen?

[keen vapor]

Remember, I got punished with a blue line when trying to get Charge speed off from Noise

It was blue ammo but still

[keen vapor]

Yeah, they actually shuffled last time

[coarse lake]

as long as noise still has aggro pre-burst and noah dies first during burst, it's probably working fine

also what ele is your bscar

bc having ele adv on their jackal should help a lot

[keen vapor]

3 ele

[coarse lake]

actually idk if that works for the distributed

[glad meteor]

Jackal probably doesn’t have lowest defence

[coarse lake]

yeah but I was thinking when distributed that if jackal takes extra due to ele, even if not primary target, the rest of the team will take more too

but idk if distributed works like that

[brittle hill]

Team 1 - Scarlet, Blanc, Winter Maiden, Centi, Jackal (15 Charge speed each)

Team 2 - Noah, Noise, Cinderella, Biscuit, ?

Team 3 - Twinkling Soda, Viper (treasure 2), Redhood, Emelia, Noir (all of them targets P5 immediately)

[coarse lake]

well just go test out cindy version, use clip rl instead of rapu until you can fix cindy atk

maybe you can reach 1rl faster and cause a misindom

[brittle hill]

it just sucks that you don't have Summer anis

[vital turtle]

i do have sanis

[brittle hill]

Oh, hold on let me try in rookie

so it works like 50% of the time I would say.
Noah, Noise, Summer Anis, Biscuit, Redhood. Replace redhood if you want to burst faster

[coarse lake]

why you asking ppl to run 15%+ cs on their rls

don't even bother, 99.99% of ppl asking for cooks here don't have that

and it's not needed either

[brittle hill]

run cs lines at least. Like if I went up against another person's scarlet team, they burst faster than me

until i rerolled my lines

[coarse lake]

use a better counter is the answer

should be no situation where you need cs lines when attacking

imo it falls under niche pvp invest, same lvl as nero and moran

[brittle hill]

This game of rock paper scissors is lame right. I would rather rock > rock in both atk and defense

[coarse lake]

the invest needed to get a scar team to faster cs is quite a lot, and that's the cheapest team to get faster from cs with least punishment

just run a double buff standard scar, 90% of ppl dunno what to do against it

and it's not hard to beat either, noise/noah/biscuit/sanis/jackal still blocks in time even with centi and jackal high cs

[brittle hill]

Yeah I kinda neglected my pve units though I'll have to see how bad that is in hard mode raid. I'm not those heavy hitters even though i'm 384. most are above 400

just got rouge

[coarse lake]

the one exception for cs imo is emilia, she's worth it to get to 21% total cs, also bc it's cheaper

[vapid lake]

lilbro attacked me at the exact moment i was checking pvp again

[coarse lake]

the rest? eh, until cs teams start becoming quite common, don't bother

I've only seen a single situation of it actually mattering on def, and even that got beat anyway with a god comp

[brittle hill]

SSR selecting Moran for sure to pair with Rumani

if we get that

[coarse lake]

? why pair them

you don't use rumani in comps where you have a taunting defender that needs double invuln

rumani will steal the taunt

actually not sure if she steals moran

[brittle hill]

uhh, I do not remember half the videos I seen on here

[coarse lake]

nah she should steal taunt from moran

she steals it from noise and even bursting noah always

on hit taunts have prio, so by default rumani has higher prio than moran burst

maybe moran last bullet has a chance if it's timed right

rumani on hit still beats noah/noise on hit likely due to the higher duration and the nature of noah/noise taunt speed, so idk if moran is enough

still I wouldn't risk it

if rumani steals taunt for long enough to get invuln, the team's over

[bleak latch]

is this correct for stall team

[coarse lake]

walk me through how you envision that comp to go

bc I'm seeing several issues

[brittle hill]

I see, yeah huge problem is that my rumani has 18cs without even trying. or I can use that team ^^

[vapid lake]

Indom moran

[coarse lake]

indom and invuln moran

with vulnerable p2 bscar, with vulnerable p5 biscuit

[keen vapor]

Trust, Indom SBS

[coarse lake]

yeah ig bscar could get indom

4rl team

at best 3rl with quantum + 21 emilia

dies to standard scar jack

if you wanna run that

run a moran biscuit sanis setup

or run a regular indom bscar

a lot of redundancy is the main problem

also never p5 biscuit

you can get accidentally shooting range rh'ed

[glad meteor]

I used to use this to beat emi teams back when

Moran sbs emi blanc biscuit

[glad meteor]

I don’t think we need shooting range

[coarse lake]

you don't

[glad meteor]

My redhood never get’s taunted by attract

[coarse lake]

it's just what I call it

yeah the last several times I've ran rh and she's lived long enough to see, always kills p5 before getting taunted

a lot of things trigger same situation

at this point I'm more curious what prevents shooting range rh

bc there are times where I don't want it to happen, and already did all my pvp fights

so like... tf can I do to make sure it doesn't happen

pretty sure relog also primes you for shooting range bug

[glad meteor]

Attract in general doesn’t work. It’s just most taunters are put in p1, and aggro goes to p1 so we don’t notice

[coarse lake]

well....

pretty sure that's just bc of how easy it is to prime yourself with the bug

do pvp after your dailies (AI)? you're primed

do pvp after fresh login? you're primed

as of the 14th of this month it's worked

[bleak latch]

by the time my team get to burst sbs hp is already at lower than moron and she did actually get indom tho and this was just for enemy emilia team and my scarlet team is already at comfy enough to win all 3

[coarse lake]

then just run blanc bscar

moran is useless there

[loud sonnet]

[quick lake]

Gemmer

[vapid lake]

7 hour maintenance, remember to snipe someone above u for 7 hours of chips

[keen vapor]

I couldn't

[umbral crown]

open your boxes then

whats your sync?

[keen vapor]

There's no CP diff only 20 level gap

[umbral crown]

thats nothing

go go

[keen vapor]

Exactly

[umbral crown]

but tell me your sync

[keen vapor]

324

I have the high ground

[umbral crown]

1.4m?

[umbral crown]

waos

[keen vapor]

1.3m

[umbral crown]

really?

why you lacking cp?

go make some SR15 dolls

[keen vapor]

I try :hu tao why:

[umbral crown]

do you?

[keen vapor]

Yes :hu tao why: but I need to put a doll on anis first

[meager linden]

Hi! How to defeat this team? All my times are crashing against his.

[quick lake]

Blanc Emilia should work great

[umbral crown]

si

[meager linden]

Noah-Blank-Emilia-Rapunzel-Centi?

Or Emilia-Blank-Centi-RH-Jakal?

[quick lake]

Yes, the 2nd team is perfect

Check if Emilia less HP than RH. If she has less HP, then all good

[meager linden]

Ok thx

[umbral crown]

[loud sonnet]

Should i go for SR15 for rossana or SR5 is enough?

[glad meteor]

More attack the better

[lone sequoia]

sbs/blanc wins

[rich quail]

SR15 Rosanna is really nice if you could afford it

[glad meteor]

Whel strats fr

[rich quail]

But only if you already have your main dps taken care of —

I AM NOT A WHEL STRATEGIST

[lone sequoia]

still need dupes to tank scarlet S2

[rich quail]

Yeah… it’d be nice to have more Rosanna dupes

I only have 2lb Rosie

And she is on my wishlist

[quick lake]

I rather SR15 treasure Drake tbh

Rosanna works fine at SR5 imo

[lone sequoia]

i have rosanna sr15, is fine

2dupes is the same as Sr15, you need the atk lines in OL

[thorn pagoda]

should Tia burst first or is it best to put her further down?

since it slightly delays the burst time

[umbral crown]

[keen vapor]

In PVP, yeah, better to avoid it

[umbral crown]

i do not see you with treasure viper phase 3

[umbral crown]

where s the snipe?

go open some boxes

[thorn pagoda]

ah, i see. is she good at increasing burst rapidly?

[umbral crown]

https://tenor.com/view/teppen-anime-shoot-gif-26409220

[thorn pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/komaru-explode-nuke-button-cat-gif-4127386105392241206

[quick lake]

I think SR15 Noah or Noise better

[umbral crown]

you think

[loud sonnet]

My rossana was core 3 so maybe i should

[keen vapor]

Cindy worked, Moran team failed

The enemy Scarlet is so stacked she was almost killing my team from S2 alone

[umbral crown]

go open boxes to 341

your punishment

[quick lake]

Is it not true?

[umbral crown]

just if you believe

[keen vapor]

I do have to admit that there was a noticeable Noise taunt overwriting Noah's

She ended up almost full health

[keen vapor]

Not as good as Anis or Ice Maiden

Tia Naga seems to be commonly mistaken with their clip counterparts

[thorn pagoda]

damn. thought Tia would be a little better than Anis

[keen vapor]

If you want to taunt later in the fight you have Rumani right there

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

[swift mango]

XMaiden s2lv7;S3lv5;No ATK line;Vigor lv5, Noise s3lv7

Welp it works.

XMaiden lv5 Nuke > Laplace lv10 nuke confirmed.

[keen vapor]

Laplace

Laplace gaming is so over now

[swift mango]

I'm so reset Laplace s3 next skill reset...

[keen vapor]

Glad I didn't treasure anyone

[swift mango]

Laplace s2 still hit hard

[keen vapor]

So does Maiden

[swift mango]

Laplace s2 is the hardest hitting Normal attack in game. XMaiden can't compare

[glad meteor]

She’s good for sub dps to set xmaiden up to one shot link

My noise and xmaiden is level 7 burst. If i had lap+, destroying link would be safer

[keen vapor]

What about Emi

[glad meteor]

When comparing emi laplace and xmaiden sub damage
Neutral element
I think

1 target xmaiden best
2 targets lap+ best
3 targets emilia best

[quick lake]

Before xMaiden Nuke, opponent linked units at half Hp alr

I think xMaiden was like ~450% single target dmg, Laplace was ~350% for 2 targets ard there (math not accurate)

[swift mango]

If had a tested awhile ago with similar team but Laplace+ s3lv10 burst instead. And got wiped.

That's why I said xMaiden burst > Laplace.

[swift mango]

Weaker.

But hit p3

[keen vapor]

I'll probably need Miranda treasure along with Mica

[swift mango]

Problem with Laplace+ burst is that it couldn't be buffed with Noise. And RH would make team not 2rl.

Maybe things with change when I get XAnne or upgrade Grave.

[keen vapor]

Grave

Oi, I want to test this out

Scarlet/Grave/Mica/Centi/Jackal

Against Rosanna team

Maybe Skill 2 at level 4 is enough

[swift mango]

I don't remember if I tried RH buff Laplace or not.

Centi+Laplace+RH+Emi+Anis

I think I did and got wiped. But I would try again later.

Can't put XMaiden in here though.

[quick lake]

Unbuffed Laplace burst hits like wet noodle

[spiral onyx]

Laplace nuke has never been useful lol

You only 10/10/10 her for the flexing/CP padding

[swift mango]

Kinda useful in tower and campaign for me.

Not much in arena

[spiral onyx]

Ok correction, she was once useful/top tier during the first few months of the game when we didn't have other options

Just like Helm

Who ironically is also soon getting a treasure

[swift mango]

I think I only did this one for Laplace. RH buff Laplace should be enough.

My bad.

Yeah, working. I forgot about this.

RH buff should make her strong enough. But I feel like XMaiden should still be better.

Since I could bring Laplace+ alongside her and still 1 buff 2rl.

[coarse lake]

laplace doesn't get her true dmg in pvp

can't stack fast enough

in pve her burst is decent

[keen vapor]

Or she gets it but Nikkes just don't have high defense

[coarse lake]

she doesn't get it

she loses like half of her burst dmg

[glad meteor]

Moran the main one that get decent def up

[vapid lake]

She nneed to shoot 5 times full charge to gget her true dmg

No 5 stack burst no dmg

[keen vapor]

The only one who get rapture levels of defense and she's only S tier

[swift mango]

Yeah, She could do it in 4rl team with enough CS but no one need her burst then

[swift mango]

Overspeced Miranda. Think bigger

[coarse lake]

not happening

she ain't important enough

[swift mango]

We already saw her new body so not unlikely. She is also important enough in the story for sure. Basically one of our first few nikke.

[keen vapor]

[swift mango]

Becically our first 6 nikkes story wise were Mordenia, Rapi, Anis, Neon, Miranda and Yuni.

[coarse lake]

uh

[swift mango]

They managed to stay relevance in story as well.

[coarse lake]

https://nikke.gg/characters/miranda/ this is miranda

are you thinking about mihara

[swift mango]

Nvm I mistook her for Mihara lol

My bad

[coarse lake]

mihara is getting an alt or overspec

basically the same thing

overspec if they decide to make her ny/half anni/anni unit

otherwise prob just alt

[swift mango]

They could make Overspec for new banner maybe because they aren't Pligrim.

Not that impossible

Just a power creep thingy

[sand canopy]

probably with yuni , I'm waiting for absoulte overspec

[swift mango]

This game real SSR rate was always 0.5% all along.

4% is just copium.

Everything good in the future will be either Pligrim or Overspeced.

With extra 3-5 Overspec banner a year.

[quick lake]

Soon we only gonna get 1% banner permanently

[covert lintel]

i want alice overspec

[sand canopy]

4% is the average but steamers and whales are pulling the good ones and we and left with the trashtier

[sand canopy]

don't forget colab

[swift mango]

Overspeced Asuka next year. Trust.

[quick lake]

Its just RNG

[sand canopy]

I got luck issues

[swift mango]

It's skill issue. Pulling skill. A common issue that I also have

[sand canopy]

not as bad as mine

[swift mango]

I have No Noah and Jackal who I wishlist from the beginning. My single XMaiden was after 100-110 pulls and 200 tickets.

I got 2/8 Pligrim mold success rate and both were dupe.

🧱

[sand canopy]

6 of-bannered xlud + managed to pull her because of the livesteam anis clutch roulette spin... had to pity xmaiden

this was the aftermath ........... pain and suffering

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-infinity-war-gamora-what-did-it-cost-gif-14001403

[swift mango]

How many pulls did you do? 6 off banner doesn't mean anything

[sand canopy]

a bit more than 150 pull

[quick lake]

Thats exactly 4%

[sand canopy]

2% on the rate up

[swift mango]

That's an okay amount.

[sand canopy]

the shaft is on the rate up

[covert lintel]

i have OL lv4 in pvp nikke, should i max them or build another nikke?

[sand canopy]

I got crow shafted

isabel shafted

[quick lake]

Probably good enough. Last level is expensive

Maybe if its chest piece can optionally lv to +5

[swift mango]

Don't level up gear unless for campaign. It's not worth it. Unless you desperately need 1-2k more CP for your team.

Some units skills are good to upgrade some units fine at 444

I just spent 20 rock just before maintenance for 2 random 1 rock roll with 3.5% CS line... Yep there goes another 12 days of farming.

Maybe I could get Rumani to 17% in another month.

Fc

[quick lake]

I am currently building my 4x Atk Mari

[swift mango]

I got lots of ATK line randomly on Rumani not gonna lie.

[quick lake]

I had a initial god roll on Rumani, T11 cs, Ele and atk

Gotta keep spending rocks

[swift mango]

We aren't sharing anything common.

[quick lake]

U’ll get ur surprise Noah spook

[swift mango]

Not in this life

Maybe if I reroll 1000 account for her.

Or just spend 5$ for a throw away reroll account with her.

[quick lake]

To be fair, my Noah took 2 whole years to come home

[swift mango]

There is another guy in my Ch10 without Jackal. But he has Noah.

[quick lake]

Let's hope Noah is in selector

[swift mango]

Dude finally breaching my DEF today and kicked me to Ch7 for an hour... I just had to change my Defense before maintenance.

Just hoping it works. My S.Anis team is kinda weak on CP... 400k power at 318, while my other teams 460k+. Standard team power to not be CP gapped should be 420k...

Idk how to boost it up to standard and still strong... Too unlucky with OL rolls... And the team full of 0LB nikkes.

Maybe I should just reset S.Anis... And use skill book to build SBS team instead.

Can you believe it? I got 4 T11 CS line on ASS in my initial rolls.

[quick lake]

My ASS kinda ass

My latest defence pissed of a whale in my bracket that he started gemming, the first time in 3 seasons

[coarse lake]

initial rolls are always T11

[keen vapor]

Pilgrims already out

[umbral crown]

[loud sonnet]

Have to wait for 6 days to get my jackal

[swift mango]

The point was 4CS line on ASS

[coarse lake]

there are ppl out there that would salivate at that

they believe that CS on any unit is somehow shared with all of your other units, so 4CS on sanis means +4CS on all your other units

they technically aren't wrong as a cs sharing bug like that was technically a thing, but uh, let's just say they oversimply and confuse themselves

[quick lake]

The cs sharing bug is fixed iirc

[swift mango]

Yeah, my RL all shoot at different speeds now

[coarse lake]

tbh I never really considered it a thing

maybe a tiny portion of cs did get shared in some weird way, hence the testing results showing tiny cs changes

but nothing substantial imo

never saw any difference

[worthy knoll]

I saw it like some kind of a myth too. Coz I remember testing on a team of units with like a 20%+ CS, so if it does share with each other it should be lightning quick but it never was. It looked normal

[strong hull]

NO.

Unfortunately

[quick lake]

Imagine 50% cs team-wide. 1RL nuke

[vapid lake]

i didn't get any pilgrim with the 50 ticket i have but i did get this

still no drunklet and rh

[swift mango]

What is this? Maintenance overed?

[quick lake]

Yep, ended an hour ago

[vapid lake]

i got 2 jackal

[quick lake]

Nothing special. Just new Rapi event story

Rookie arena is bugged. When u win in rookie, it shows "LOSE" and deduct points

[swift mango]

I have zero tries for today so I'm safe then.

[rich quail]

Oh is that what happened?

I did a match where I felt I had a good chance of winning on Rookie, but I got booted off the server and got a loss

[graceful grotto]

I got rapunzel before the maintenance

Now I'm just missing red hood and modernia

[quartz prawn]

hehe

[quick lake]

Yeah, that seems to be happening. Dc from server

[glacial lion]

Su still not fix rh ignore taunt, again

[nocturne arrow]

i want to build burst I or II for PVP, the first row already use OL
which one the second row i should do first?

[loud sonnet]

[tropic summit]

rumani has plenty of usage so the answer could be her, you'll hardly use on the other hand anyone else aside from tia, anis and grave from the second row

[devout dagger]

Yeah it's definitely a bug. no freakin' way man.

it also immediately 'disconnect' you back to lobby.

[vapid lake]

Emergency maintenace and compensation time

[upper grove]

Free resources shiftup

I just pulled rapunzel

[nocturne arrow]

Im thinking either her or anis

[raven plover]

is doro bug back, but that team is slow

[gaunt cypress]

It's weird, Even though you won the battle, the final result is you lost.

[devout dagger]

I tried it once again against the same guy just to make sure, and it happened again. I also lose points lol.

[vapid lake]

i lost to a guy i was 100 levels higher so there's definitely soemthing wrong with rookie arena

[upper grove]

Is SP arena also bugged?

[gaunt cypress]

next time record it

[gaunt cypress]

this day after MT or before MT ?

[vapid lake]

after

[late marten]

Now they're all going to humiliate me to desth over justosing to them.

I really don't like how I just lose to them for ONCE and they're pouring all their gems solely to abuse me and ONLY ME.

They don't want sportmanship, that's a clearly abusing the player.

[bleak latch]

just for fun

[tropic summit]

this reaction is exactly what they wanted from you, the fact you're caring about it is the problem

[covert lintel]

i think no

i can win as usual

[upper grove]

Let them waste their gems

[late marten]

It's over, they're all going against me despite there's weaker player than me on top20

[upper grove]

Can someone cook new DEF teams for me?
My current teams are:
1: Moran sbs anis alice rumani - is there bad synergy because of moran + rumani?
2: scarlet xmaiden blanc centi jackal
3: noah noise biscuit cindy laplace (treasure)
I just got rapunzel but I have no idea where she would fit best. Alice is my highest stat char by far
Edit: quantum atm on laplace and jackal lvl 3. I have to upgrade resilience and bastion to 7 first

[tropic summit]

eh it's not over, change your defense and play at different times, then climb back up again, that's what ladder is, just keep climbin'

[tropic summit]

@keen vapor oi, he has a mica

[tropic summit]

noise centi cind alice rumani
scarlet blanc mica xmaiden jackal
noah biscuit rapu sbs laplace+

cube:
quantum on jackal, centi, rumani
vigor on noise, blanc, rapu, biscuit
temperance on noah

rest put higher available cube

notes: if you ever find RH, replace mica with her

[keen vapor]

Mica believers

[late marten]

Yeah, I think they've breached my team all thanks to one guy who copied my team and using it to abuse me all the time without end.

[quick lake]

Defence is usually much harder and even with good teams, u will still lose as opponents can build tailored counters

[tropic summit]

yeah but that's the nature of this game, don't give it granted that you will never be defeated and do not need to adapt, because you will

[late marten]

Thing is, like a TCG, I'm not good at making specific squad to counter their particular squad, so I went for all-rounder squad than can take on both attacking and defending.

[tropic summit]

well you already found the problem then

tip 1: play when near reset, that way you can rank up 4 times (win 2 before reset, win 2 slightly after), that puts distance between you and your opponents, assuming they won't do the same
tip 2: focus on a few opponents, not on all of them, and make def teams that can add difficulty in them beating you

[late marten]

Alright then, I might try forming new squad to test it at SP Arena.

[quick lake]

or figure out when they typically hit

[late marten]

Thing is, my syncro is mostly around 320 but with suffice CP to take on players around 500k CP

all while most players at PVP were mostly leveled around 400.

[tropic summit]

🧱

[quick lake]

The team building aspect also matters

Pvp up hill challenge

[tropic summit]

if most of the players in your bracket are outlevelling you so much, it seems you bricked yourself, or a very low chance that you dealing with 20+ leviatan/whales, but i doubt

did you take breaks or forgot to claim red dust boxes?

did you spend regularly gems during events to farm red dust boxes? (the extra attempts in the shop)

[graceful grotto]

@quick lake thanks bro

[quick lake]

The team I gave you? dude is mad

[graceful grotto]

The noah noise scar team

I think that helps hahahaha

[late marten]

I currently have nearly 4k of 1h coredusts, and I do play regularly since launch

[quick lake]

Day 1 player?

[tropic summit]

hmm and to still be outlevelled... 🤔

long time players have it rough

[quick lake]

Day 1 players should be ard sync 460-481+

[late marten]

Yup

[tropic summit]

mother of god the gems there

[late marten]

I'm just at low syncro 'cause I'm a type of gacha player who played at slow paced

[tropic summit]

i get the feeling that slow paced and nikke rankings don't go well together tho

[quick lake]

Well, if ur CP + investment is similar, probably team building/planning issue that can be slowly solved

[late marten]

Though luckily I'm mostly placed around 20s in Rookie and mostly 70 in SP, so that isn't actually bad

[graceful grotto]

i thought they would be higher

[quick lake]

The ultimate min-maxers maybe at 491+. But majority should be 481 to 490 now i think

[umbral crown]

yes bu when 501 boost

what you waiting for

[umbral crown]

waiting for nikke 3?

[late marten]

once I hit lv400 synchro

[umbral crown]

whats your current one

[late marten]

around lv320

[umbral crown]

boi, by the time you get 400 by not using your core dust boxes game might be dead

[cedar orbit]

imagine all the core dust he loses by not pushing campaign

[late marten]

It why my CD box has over 3.5k

[umbral crown]

just go, open your boxes, get the levels, push campaign and repeat

there is no point on saving boxes and more at your sync

[late marten]

I know what I'm doing so I'm playing safe.

[umbral crown]

do not brick yourself more than it already is

[umbral crown]

if you say so

[upper grove]

thanks, I appreciate it! I've already wishlisted RH. My defense got beaten a few times so it's good that I have new teams now with basically the same cp. My old teams were also all 3RL teams

[umbral crown]

whats your total cp?

[upper grove]

mine?

[umbral crown]

nope, the core dust hoarder 🧱

[umbral crown]

@keen vapor

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

70

[umbral crown]

[keen vapor]

You shouldn't be below top 30

[umbral crown]

tell him echo

🎈

[keen vapor]

This is brick even for hoarder standards

[quick lake]

~~ Last time I didnt know ranks below 50 existed~~

[bleak latch]

when my bonus arrive

[umbral crown]

hmmm, it already arrived

i know that

[lime night]

Yea got taken down fast he’s still 38 levels down not sure how he’s hitting

[glacial lion]

wtf

His cindy barely take any dmg

[glad meteor]

Cindy decoy tanks cindy burst

[bleak latch]

cindy P2 never work well

[fathom rock]

@swift mango @tropic summit @grizzled bone thanks

[uncut pilot]

[swift mango]

They won against you without even needing to burst. How much was the level or CP gap lol?

[glacial lion]

50x vs 461

im still win 2 1 though...

He not invest much in pvp

[swift mango]

Was the fight CP gapped? Because no way they won with Normal attack otherwise?

[glacial lion]

im not sure... it just for fun, i wont stay in top 3

[glad meteor]

Noir scalter too strong

[tardy anvil]

Is it fine to use generic campaign team for SP attack team? Lazy to keep changing teams

[quick lake]

Just use a standard pvp attack team

[tardy anvil]

I don't have one

These are all I got, not sure what to use for attack teams.

[quick lake]

Can use:
T1: Blanc Scarlet Sugar Maiden Liter
T2: Noah Centi Cindy Biscuit Noise
Avoid running T1 against jackal team

Ideally you want to tailor ur attack team but this teams should be fine. Can replace Cindy with SAnis if you need to

[grizzled bone]

Half the video is just loading

[fathom rock]

Mobile moment.

[tardy anvil]

Wait I don't have Jackal

[tropic summit]

ok then he might've learned to counter your t3 with an equal RL emilia

gonna take a look and see what we can do on t3 and t1, we can change RL aswell

box
#pvp-arena message

teams
#pvp-arena message

[quiet merlin]

any suggestions how to beat this?

[glacial lion]

nuke them with ros

[tropic summit]

if this one fails we'll go indom scar, s.anis stall, cindy nuke

[keen vapor]

Guys

https://x.com/NIKKE_en/status/1872301300832256427?t=6iKm5aAGFrUpO7buUNgGHw&s=19

GODDESS OF VICTORY: NIKKE (@NIKKE_en) on X

⑤ We have confirmed that battles in the Arena are not being judged correctly.
└ We are currently troubleshooting the issue. We apologize for the inconvenience caused. Please stay tuned to the latest notices on our official platforms.

Twitter · Dec 26, 2024, 3:19 PM

[tropic summit]

yeah someone was already complaining earlier today on that, guess it's true

[tropic summit]

scarlet xanne rosanna noir jackal
noah noise biscuit s.anis rapu
sbs blanc emi rh centi

cubes as last time

if this fails again, we'll go indom scar, stall s.anis, cindy nuke

[tropic summit]

if it's 3RL indom scarlet (and it seems to be), just go the following:

[quiet merlin]

i dont have rapunzel, but i managed to win with scarlet/cindy/rosanna/centi/jackal

[tropic summit]

i guess rosanna was enough to kill emi and scarlet, gj

jackal link broke on (enemy) scarlet, RIP

@swift mango you can could get your noah now

[livid knot]

Guys, i just wanted to say thanks, because the team suggestion i got here, helped!
Or at least so far its holding up 😌

After Rapi RH is out, i might come back to fix the new team lineups 😂

But as long as i can keep my position without fighting, im totally happy 😌

Thank you for your help!

[oblique magnet]

oof, that is some active pvp, lol

[quick lake]

Edited

[bitter pike]

What are three strong overall defense teams? I have all characters except for the Chainsaw collap ones, Flora and Winter Guillotine

[kindred tinsel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/946721308148920371/1319429120853020692/IMG_4322.gif

[kindred tinsel]

noah bis, blanc, and jackal comps

[unkempt kestrel]

anyone got time to help me improve my PVP defence sp team? I just got scarlet and I will get jackel with the free SSR selector

current teams

[swift mango]

Nope, her chance just got tripled but won't change anything

0*3=0

[umbral crown]

No need to fix whats not broken

[unique mountain]

[umbral crown]

Where did you steal it

[timber silo]

can u help me build 3team for pvp pls

[bleak latch]

my funny team work

sbs did actually get indom

[unique mountain]

i didn't kno it was unique

[umbral crown]

it was

[unique mountain]

[umbral crown]

Like my emi doro

[unique mountain]

[umbral crown]

[unique mountain]

[unkempt kestrel]

should I do something like this? I will replace Anis once I get Noah in the future and I will replace rapunzel with redhood once I get her as well.

[tropic summit]

nice, glad to see it works

[tropic summit]

see if you can assemble these 3 teams, then check CP

[tropic summit]

hmm if fresh scarlet and not OL'ed and burst at least lvl 7, she could be underperfoming, what's her current status?

[unkempt kestrel]

I am going to build her, just trying to set up a team for the future.

[tropic summit]

oke, let's see

[unkempt kestrel]

I saw this while scrolling which is exactly what you posted just before. I just need a replacement for emilia

I was thinking of replacing emilia with sbs.

[quick lake]

Probably xMaiden for the burst gen

[regal stump]

Does being gold do anything?