pvp-arena

[tropic summit]

yes, ideally post your 3 teams and their 3 matchups, with also your box

ERP traumas

[whole pawn]

ok

[oak gale]

hey rail got a minute? @tropic summit

[tropic summit]

nani?

[umbral crown]

But before talking some macross delta songs start playing

[umbral crown]

If you have a minute

[tropic summit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvqXCK9tD7o

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

Always with culture

[oak gale]

*man i love this server timeouting me for using better discord emotes 💀 *

[oak gale]

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

[oak gale]

so i was trying to make a pvp 3v3 teams since i started to fall into challenger 5 and such and got these teams
but im not sure of team II since there isnt any burst I in it , is this normal or?

[tropic summit]

aye Echo already answered and fixed it for you, swap rumani with centi and centi with rumani

they're both serving the purpose of batteries

@keen vapor people aren't even reading you anymore

[oak gale]

mhm , is there an alernative to noise tho

[oak gale]

i didnt mean to

[tropic summit]

hmm noise is serving the purpose of adding HP to the team for both stalling and increasing cindy nuke, you'd be losing on that without her but you can still get cindy to at least serve the nuke and noah to serve invulnerability

post your box let's see what's your next close option to that

[oak gale]

? @tropic summit this u mean

[tropic summit]

how well invested is your rumani and can she run temperance/vigor?

also what's her doll level

[oak gale]

i didnt invest in her at all , i just got a spare body for her from friendship points banner , but i do have vigor cube i think

and these are the cubes

[tropic summit]

same question but for noah, how does she look?

dolls/OL

[oak gale]

noah same , no ol , no doll , 4 4 4

[tropic summit]

jesus le christ

[oak gale]

tho i can put doll

[tropic summit]

well try to build noah asap so she can tank a bit while you lack noise

[oak gale]

[tropic summit]

you've a few options atm:

rumani noah cindy icemaiden alice (riskier but more CP)
rumani noah cindy icemaiden tia (safer due to tia potentially taunting away some dmg, at the cost of CP)

regardless we gonna need noah to be in p1 to avoid taunting and feeding them extra RLs

[oak gale]

quetion
is it an option to use cindy's skill 2 to tank the dmg ?

[tropic summit]

cindy in p1 and p2 is a death sentence, as you'll give them 3 targets to hit with splash instead of 2

(her decoy)

[oak gale]

mhm

[tropic summit]

without noise you still face noah taunting in p2 hitting 3 targets

i dunno i'd say those 3 teams may need to be scratched and thought over

lemme see what i can pull out on a few quick mins

[oak gale]

mhm

in the meantime ill syncro biscut so she can be used in team II

[tropic summit]

yeah you need to syncro biscuit and noise and build them at least on chest OL (gives HP)

then build their dolls to R15 into SR5

(reduced dmg taken)

[oak gale]

noise ill syncro her in 3 hours , but biscut ill buy the slot since i need more slots
tho noise will have to be built which is kinda low priority since rn im building scarlet and jackal like u told me a week ago

i also synced ruamani

also here is the team i used to use that got me to challenger 5 , idk what i was smoking while making it 💀

[warm acorn]

any reccomended changes to my team 1 or 2?

[keen vapor]

Put Grave in Position 2

[tropic summit]

scarlet grave liter anis jackal
noah biscuit rapu cind centi
alice blanc s.anis noir xmaiden

quantum on jackal, anis, centi
temperance on noah
vigor on biscuit, rapu, blanc
resil on s.anis (needs to have S3 on lvl9 for maximun dmg output)

synchro and build asap: noise,noah,biscuit (in that order)

T3 is copium until you've noise built, then we can tweak it

[keen vapor]

:deadge: 🪦

[warm acorn]

what does position mater in arena?

[keen vapor]

Every single one

[warm acorn]

also just unlocked sp arena id like help with that too.(i havent been doing the story sorry Dx)

[keen vapor]

But Aqua wasn't new

[tropic summit]

give this a good read, it's 5-10 minutes worth of your time

https://nikke.gg/arena-mechanics/

[warm acorn]

thanks i will

[oak gale]

team 3 doesnt have burst I 💀

[keen vapor]

Rail tracer MA..... Nevermind

[tropic summit]

hence why it's copium

[oak gale]

[tropic summit]

once you put noise in syncro we can fix that

[warm acorn]

im not im just lazy work takes too much of my day

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

I don't recommend to pay attention to PVP then :deadge:

[oak gale]

like this?

[keen vapor]

Copium

[tropic summit]

yes, once you've noise do this

[oak gale]

in the meantime ill put ruamani instead of alice

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

No

[tropic summit]

you gonna need her to survive in p1

[oak gale]

man

so i syncroed ruamani for nothing lol 💀

[tropic summit]

you can put rumani in p5 instead of noise

until you've her built

[oak gale]

alright lemme 1sec

[tropic summit]

[oak gale]

so like this

[tropic summit]

looks good

go get em

[oak gale]

color me surprised 💀

[tropic summit]

if they figure out your teams, you can even do this

so much potential

[oak gale]

mhm ill keep that in mind

[tropic summit]

T3 can be Schrödinger anything

[oak gale]

so i think after i give jackal full ol , i should move onto noise

[tropic summit]

noise would enable you to build a more powerful T2, both for s.anis and cindy variations

[oak gale]

mhm

[tropic summit]

noah noise cind rapu centi
noah noise biscuit s.anis rapu

[oak gale]

also what does rl mean 💀 last question i promise

[tropic summit]

@keen vapor

[bleak shale]

how many times your rockets shoot

before u burst

[oak gale]

i feel like i interrupted the whole channel

[oak gale]

what rockets

[tropic summit]

https://nikke.gg/arena-mechanics/

give it a read

[bleak shale]

the ones ur nikkes shoot

wym

[keen vapor]

He doesn't knows!

[oak gale]

i know how to 10 10 my phantom tho

[oak gale]

so it stands for the amount of shots it takes for the burst gen to happen from the rocket launcher?

[tropic summit]

a 2RL team means it hits burst after shooting 2 rockets (not literally 2, but shooting once and then once again)

to put very simply...

give the link i sent to you a read anyway, it goes in depth

[oak gale]

i feel dumb that i missed the fact that rl stands for rocket launcher 💀

[oak gale]

i will , thanks again

[keen vapor]

[oak gale]

just you wait

[keen vapor]

[tropic summit]

no i'm a filthy casual, i don't deserve misinformation academy role

[umbral crown]

[warm acorn]

agony

[warm acorn]

anyone?

[coarse egret]

How to I beat indom Scarlet?
I tried 2 RL Cindy, but he's able to get indom on Scarlet by the time Cindy bursts, even thou his team is 3 RL

[tropic summit]

sir, i've got you covered

[keen vapor]

Swap Noir and Jackal positions

Swap Noise and Cinderella positions

[tropic summit]

dejavu btw @cedar orbit @swift mango

[coarse egret]

Thanks! It worked

[tropic summit]

@keen vapor i get the feeling the more we educate people the less we'll be able to suggest working defenses

[bleak shale]

its cuz defs dont work

[keen vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1026322546934698004.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=whyyysnapped

Don't defeat meeeeeeeee

[tropic summit]

jackal funny things

[keen vapor]

Kosmiu-san, please improve my defense

[tropic summit]

mica blanc cleanse

(just kidding, it will get scarletted)

[bleak shale]

Just for core dust

If u 40 sync them u win every time

[keen vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1026322546934698004.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=whyyysnapped

[tropic summit]

you had it coming for you, easy answer there

open those darned boxes

[oak gale]

its a sign @keen vapor

[keen vapor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/946720097031045161/1297132224541364246/kisama.mp4?ex=676bd305&is=676a8185&hm=5beb3ed08e2ac14536fb6f9212d4d9cb22de039e794bcb0de9ce430394260339&

[thorn pagoda]

which nikkes do people usually put the [quantum cube] on?
i put mine on soda bunny, SBS, Noah and Centi. it's not very useful on SMG types is it

[tropic summit]

that's enough kisama to achieve world peace

[tropic summit]

quantum is the battery prefered cube, anything that is a clip RL or clip SG or clip SG burst tier (xmaiden, laplace+, emi)

although you only need the amount to reach your next RL tier, else it's wasted

[thorn pagoda]

damn. this might be a bad choice then

[tropic summit]

nah, there are reasons to put vigor on carries

either to give indom to right target or to just let em survive better

whoever suggested you that cube hopefully had one of the reasons above

[thorn pagoda]

soda bunny and centi do such a good job with quantum

in my case, i've noticed against certain opponents who use noah vs your noah, you are better off bursting after them rather than before. especially if your Emilia survives and you can hit their entire team without their noah's shield

[tropic summit]

yes, this is an example of 4RL against 3RL emilia noah, absorbing emilia's nuke

[thorn pagoda]

that does usually happen in rookie arena. months ago, an Emilia user was kicking my ass but figured out i win if i remove quantum from Noah. this was before joining nikke discord

might leave quantum off Noah from now on

people will fight you expecting your Noah team to burst first

[tropic summit]

quantum alone doesn't necessarely change a burst speed tho, it's the overall team comp

[thorn pagoda]

aside from being a core dust whale, that alone isn't enough to keep you at the top. i'm surprised i maintained 3rd place for so long without knowing all the fundamental details like this

[tropic summit]

you could have scenario where it does, and scenario where it's not enough, to be specific

[thorn pagoda]

what's the best cube for Noah?

[tropic summit]

here is a scenario such as those

[thorn pagoda]

rocket launcher, so probably not quantum lol

[tropic summit]

noah actually benefits the most, due to her typical lineups, by running temperance or vigor

[thorn pagoda]

that'a close one

[tropic summit]

although she can run quantum to hit RL tiers

[thorn pagoda]

nice. Temper cube actually has a purpose

[tropic summit]

yeah the damage reduction does impact to a degree, unlike flat def%

[swift mango]

Uhm Noise p1 for starter... I would need a record afterward.

Or you could try Noah stall

[tropic summit]

he ran this and won

#pvp-arena message

[swift mango]

Yeah, Noah stall. My bad not reading all comment

[tropic summit]

no worries, but ye, i'm thinking if there are variations that can do that without investing both noah and biscuit tho

maybe a 2RL with an invested bay and biscuit

[swift mango]

Maybe Moran+Noah.

[tropic summit]

or an indom 2RL but indom duels... bleh

[keen vapor]

[tropic summit]

uh makes sense, i should consider moran more often

but eh, wouldn't that feed them into a 1.5RL on worst case scenario?

and still gotta survive the nuke, albeit partially buffed

[swift mango]

They could only get fed to 2rl best.

Unless their RLs all had 25% CS.

[tropic summit]

although if one considers moran kit it should be fine

yeah gotta test it out the one day i invest my moran (late 2025)

[swift mango]

But even then you would want like full SG teams to make it happens

[tropic summit]

makes sense

it seems i forgot a tiny detail

[keen vapor]

Ticket

[swift mango]

TBH, I'm more worried about how to do similar feat without Noah.

We could beat it with CP dif Laplace. Or Rossanna.

But how to do a stall without Noah. Bay kinda weak.

[swift mango]

Ugh you won't get to 20/20 without wasting bond exp now.

[tropic summit]

the min/maxin nightmare

[worthy knoll]

I think he can just 2 RL Noise XMaiden and kill Scar RH Jack quick

[swift mango]

If he has enough dmg I guess

[worthy knoll]

XMaiden single nuke damage is not to be trifled with

[swift mango]

Well, you had enough dmg. But not others. And is your XMaiden MLB? Also max out skill, doll?

[worthy knoll]

Nah not mlb

Doll nah still just R15

My Xmaiden is 0 LB

Skill at the time is burst 9, while skill 2 is max, skill1 at 7

Just one atk line atm

Well I feel it could be fine coz if it could kill one with Noise burst, it should have higher chance to kill against one without Noise burst

[keen vapor]

So I can do this

[swift mango]

How about your synch level comparing to the other guy.

?

[worthy knoll]

He was 20 sync higher than me

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

So this is 2 RL Noah Snipe

[tropic summit]

xmaiden is gonna be interesting to mess with

just so happened to need a 4th team...

[keen vapor]

||Time to invest in Mast||

[worthy knoll]

Well doesn't need to have Noah.. but yeah it'll prolly only work against those with Biscuit but non defender P1 or those without Biscuit. Whoever she hits the moment she burst is guaranteed to be offline quick tho if its not a Jackal link unit, the damage would be overkill

[swift mango]

This pic made me realized I never really test out XMaiden nuke after getting her.

[keen vapor]

Burst at level 7 will be enough?

[swift mango]

Time to use my 5 rookie tries

[worthy knoll]

Imagine if its a Jackal link P1 Emi, RH Jackal team

[keen vapor]

@umbral crown I forgot what I was going to test

[swift mango]

And was planning to test her out long ago as well...

[tropic summit]

i thought i'd see a mica in there, but it was the unexpected

[swift mango]

But keep forgetting it.

[keen vapor]

MICA
Right, I was going to test..... Wait

There's no rookie arena today

[tropic summit]

when am i even gonna build mica, let alone spare resources to even begin building

[swift mango]

But this pic was a crit though....

Hmmm

[worthy knoll]

If not Crit only SAnis died

But its a Noise buffed one

So its acceptable

[keen vapor]

This required burst level 9 :hu tao why:

[lone sequoia]

more atk lines, but it is the same damage

[worthy knoll]

SR team using XMaiden use 10/10/10 right?

[swift mango]

I will test it with my lv5 against Scarlet jackal and reporting.

I fear my noise would ded before burst though

[lone sequoia]

remember that xmaiden burst is like x2 her HP you can count that for damage and add another 12-22+damage reduction if noah

[keen vapor]

Ryo told me to 7/10/7 if I had resources

[worthy knoll]

Oh.. I thought those on the leaderboards go 10/10/10

[keen vapor]

Remember SpongeBob, use your R15 doll

[keen vapor]

Of course

But I had no more

[swift mango]

SR 5 so not much difference

[lone sequoia]

yep, they use 10/10/10, but for some teams higher skills in the supports means more damage

[worthy knoll]

Well I'm pretty sure my XMaiden was garbage during previous SR coz of low elem lines and me not having Rouge

[keen vapor]

Time to invest

[worthy knoll]

I'm correcting my Anis atm

[keen vapor]

[swift mango]

Nvm today is end of season day

I forgot to use my last 3 try yesterday as well lol...

What a kill joy

[keen vapor]

SR15 he's a bakemono

[keen vapor]

Yeah

[keen vapor]

~~Merry, your profile picture is very cute ~~

[tropic summit]

that rizz came out of nowhere

although i agree

[keen vapor]

I had to cancel out this somehow

[worthy knoll]

Uhh its Merry

Merry Nightmare from Yumekui Merry

[tropic summit]

yes and sadly it never got s2 🤔

although i bet the manga was better in this case

[keen vapor]

I'm going to watch

[worthy knoll]

Well the manga is already completed at least. Tho the ending was bittersweet

[keen vapor]

~~ Like Sora No Otoshimono ~~

[umbral crown]

[clear depot]

I never expected to be using gems to hold a 7th position 😂

[keen vapor]

Send the message

[clear depot]

I can't, I try to upload the SS's of my battle records but it is stuck, don't wanna upload

😮‍💨

[umbral crown]

Its a sigm

[clear depot]

Anyways... This other guy for now had give up on using gems on me again, at least for now , but a shame that I couldn't send SS >:

[umbral crown]

Have you tried changing your defense?

[oak gale]

what have u done to the guy to the point to use gems on you 💀

[clear depot]

I did and it worked two times, so that's why my determination to hold him back to make him feel that he lost those extra 200 gems hhahha

[umbral crown]

You should keep changin it to weird teams to nake him lose his mind thinking

[clear depot]

Now I am trying to change so so in the meantime but he studied my defense after those two loses he got

[cedar orbit]

Gemmers

[umbral crown]

A hard working boi

[oak gale]

you could also try this , switch the positions of ur teams , mainly your weakest team with ur strongest team , so he wastes a chance

bc if he is just doing it without checking the teams , he could accidentally waste a chance

[clear depot]

If he is like me, he won't fall for it. I always double check positions

But I did it

That's why I suspect he also checks

[oak gale]

mmhm idk it does happen to me

i had a guy who does the same thing , but doesnt spend gems , i beat em , he beats me etc

and he also used to check it , but he sometimes misses it thats why it can be valuable to still do it every now and then

[tropic summit]

aight, welcome to hell, you two will be mates there

[clear depot]

Anyways it has been 19 mins... I won the resistance battle for now

[oak gale]

[tropic summit]

give him time to come out of the shower to hit you back

[oak gale]

and thats why ur here , to save me from that hell of that one guy

[tropic summit]

if only defense teams had a chance to work indefinitely

real malders will record each pattern and screenshot working counters, till you run out

[oak gale]

i mean to be fair my server is pretty chill so idont think i have much sweats there , outside of just one or two whales maybe

someone on my server has like full pilgrim team week 1 into the game and im here still redhoodless and crownless and modernialess 💀

and somehow im still passing him in pilgrim tower

[keen vapor]

[clear depot]

I used to do that, but I think I have learnt mentally calculation of burst gauge and how to comp against teams. I have still those old records

But since 2-3 months, I have 2 main attack teams that wins everything that is on an accepted CP penalty

[neat harness]

Need new teams for SP arena, thanks in advance

[vapid lake]

he attack me at the exact moment im checking pvp so i can beat his ass back down immediately

[umbral crown]

[keen vapor]

Synch 260 at least 40 levels missing

[quick lake]

The first time in 2 seasons someone in my bracket spent gems attacking me dude is mad he cant win

[keen vapor]

Scarlet/Blanc/RH/Centi/Jackal

Noah/Noise/Summer Anis/Biscuit/Rapunzel

Moran/Grave/Cinderella/Emilia/Anis

But level diff will end you

[thorn pagoda]

the Chinese shouldn't even be in the global server anyway. they put it on global because they can whale against non whales

they deserve to get destroyed and they should waste their gems

[vapid lake]

that's jp

[thorn pagoda]

but is that still global?

[vapid lake]

chinese don't even have their own server yet

[thorn pagoda]

isn't there Asia?

or is it just Japan

[vapid lake]

there's SEA, jp, kr, hk-tw-macau but no china

[thorn pagoda]

hk makes no sense. they should just change that to China

[quartz prawn]

winnable..?
t1 hoping can just auto them down.
t2 idk how to order ein, s.anis cp pad

[vapid lake]

t1 u gapped them

t2 just put jackal linked dps in slot 1 and watch them feed u to 1.5rl

and his team will burst when christmas is over

[quartz prawn]

so t2 jackal/biscuit/cinderella/ein/s.anis

actually biscuit prob not needed then

[keen vapor]

I'm not sure boss, 20% deficit against them but two units aren't even pointing at P1 and.... Liter

[quartz prawn]

if im just one shot

[vapid lake]

20% deficit is big enough to not get one shot and u will kill his sbs+scar before they burst

[tropic summit]

you've still given the man hope, if only a slimmer

[vapid lake]

his team 2 will never burst

that's like 10rl

just kill him

[tropic summit]

i'd be of the same opinion of our dear Echo here, wouldn't want to give scarlet a chance

[quartz prawn]

i guess we'll find out

[tropic summit]

the man is a gambler

[vapid lake]

man just TRUST and go

no balls

[keen vapor]

50/50

[vapid lake]

believe in the cp gap diff

[tropic summit]

head or tails

[quartz prawn]

wasn't even close
sbs tickle me

[keen vapor]

Miles Tails Prower is my favorite Sonic character

[quartz prawn]

u cant say i dont trust u now

[tropic summit]

the CP difference won, sadge

[vapid lake]

i told u

[tropic summit]

[quick lake]

T1 kinda sus, if u kill SBS then scarlet burst

[vapid lake]

doesn't matter -35% stat penalty

tickle

now if he had RH b1 then that might be a little sketchy

but its a single buff scar

[quick lake]

And indom scar

just yolo

[keen vapor]

I think single buff SBS indom will be more scary

[swift mango]

Just wanted to ask. You kill their Noise and they couldn't burst right?

Noise taunt Crown+Naga. RH+Alice hit p5. It's 4/5 of your team hitting Noise.

[keen vapor]

[quartz prawn]

imma be honest, i wasnt paying attention
shoulda recorded

[tropic summit]

once you read Penguin telling you to trust, you trust

[swift mango]

Probably what happened. That's why it's not even close.

If they triggered Blanc, the match should have lasted long enough for you to remember.

[vapid lake]

yea gimme ur credit card details trust

[quartz prawn]

hmmm... it was pretty slow. ill record next time

[quartz prawn]

[keen vapor]

:sus sip:

[round pilot]

Hi @keen vapor . Sorry for disturbing. If this still losing, do you have any other cooking?

[keen vapor]

@neat harness fine use Crown instead of Grave

But you'll lack speed until you get quantum cube at level 7 for Emilia/Anis

[keen vapor]

Did you use it for attack?

Or you were losing on defense

[round pilot]

I was losing in defense

[swift mango]

Hmmm I didn't screenshot working counters.... 🤔

[round pilot]

That one is attack team?

[keen vapor]

All units have full overload and have R15 doll?

[tropic summit]

not maldin' enough

[swift mango]

It was actually Rail's cooking

Anyway, check your CP before you use the team. Uninvested good team is worse than yolo CP gap team.

[swift mango]

Just need to remember them

(Actually I did screenshot sometime but forgot they existed)

[keen vapor]

No, others thought so

[swift mango]

Am I safe to say that your units with OL stopped at Anis?

[keen vapor]

You wouldn't with me

[round pilot]

Only Rumani are not overloaded. Investing now. most of it overload 5 5 5 5. But I guess is Doll. Some using SR some are plain 0 R

[keen vapor]

Overload level 5

[round pilot]

If I compare to his Def's CP. im ahead him

[keen vapor]

Noise has SR5?

[swift mango]

You actually don't need Emi 21% CS in that Cindy 2rl team. So don't need to try and reroll for CS.

[round pilot]

R 0

[round pilot]

Oh wait. that emi is 21 cs. I thought is typo lol

[swift mango]

Sometimes, people has strong attacking team. But their def is absolutely trash and very little CP.

[keen vapor]

She might be dying

Try to get it to R15 then switch to SR

[keen vapor]

The same thing could be happening to Blanc

[swift mango]

I remember Rail just typed it down while thinking about another team but ended up with 2rl Cindy anyway.

[keen vapor]

And to Rumani, and Anis

[round pilot]

Ok. I might adjust abit her OL stat. Do Noise need CS?

[keen vapor]

Blood says she needs higher CS than Noah and that's how I have her at the moment

[swift mango]

They could have same CS, just use Adjustant cube on the one you put at p2.

[keen vapor]

HOWEVER

There's another variation of Noah Noise team that actually needs to have no charge speed at all

[keen vapor]

Woah, messenger bubbles, long time not seeing them

[quick lake]

What team is this?

[keen vapor]

So using Adjutant is the safest.... Wait no, I use tempering cube

[round pilot]

Definitely higher but noise 2 line. Noah 1 line. Maybe is time for me to focus on PVP unit. I focus too much on Meta unit

[keen vapor]

Tempering's better

[round pilot]

I have CS on both sad

[swift mango]

If I think about bullet flying speed, maybe they really need no CS at all? And I was wrong all along.

[round pilot]

Using it all the time lol. used to it

Gonna need to wait SR for more doll exp mat. Just finished on SBS SR 15

[keen vapor]

The god comp according to @coarse lake

It uses jackal instead of Biscuit and Noah is positioned in P5

[round pilot]

Dayumm, Rumani OL

[keen vapor]

Rip

[round pilot]

CP padding

[keen vapor]

If your Noah has charge speed you might be whiffing

Playing with charge speed is like playing with fire

[swift mango]

In this case, Check who has more CS. And see if you could mend the difference with Adjustant cube. So Noise has more or at least equal.

Because you could end up in the situation when their p1+2 hit your p2 instead of p1.

[round pilot]

Gonna let it be first. Gonna OL Rumani first

[quick lake]

Why do u not want to have cs here? i dont think it matters?

[swift mango]

I also think CS doesn't matter for this one lol

Rocket whisk and they miss Noah is even better...

[swift mango]

Or you mean if Noah has CS she would miss often and give no burst Regen or something?

[keen vapor]

That happened to me when Noah P1, dunno about P5

[quick lake]

I still dont get what is whiffing. Its shooting at the opponent when they're "reloading" and hence no burst gen/dmg is dealt?

[swift mango]

🤔

[keen vapor]

Yes

[quick lake]

Wouldn't having higher cs on ur units be better because they would need to reload earlier? higher chances of opponent's rockets hitting u earlier

[swift mango]

I think it's when they shoot, not when they reload.

RL shooting animation has that small pushed back and thus cause another RL to miss.

[quick lake]

Ahhh I see, so its the "in and out of cover" phase okay

At least I havent seen anything inconsistent with burst gen calc. Most of my units have alot of cs too

[keen vapor]

@coarse lake knows the details

Iirc it was about letting Noah die first instead of Noise keeping the taunt
Which will naturally happen with no charge speed lines

[quick lake]

Referencing Merry

pvp mechanics shenanigans

[swift mango]

Okay Rocket whiff no long exist huh.

No wonder...

[quick lake]

Idk when they fixed this

[swift mango]

Only reload now so it doesn't matter for 3+4rl teams. No one use up their bullet that fast.

[quick lake]

yep yep, less things to worry

[glad meteor]

Yeah, Whiffing because of cs is gone now

[swift mango]

Maybe SBS could miss one attack during her burst but I don't think it's a big problem.

[glad meteor]

When it comes to noah and noise cs it’s mostly to control taunt priority

[keen vapor]

Cof cof

[glad meteor]

If we roll cs on 3rl noah teams. 0%cs 2rl cindy team nuke can’t go through me thinks

But I don’t know how much cs to roll

[quick lake]

Yeah, I think 2RL Cindy vs 2.5RL Noah, only 1 wave of Cindy nukes can sneak in. Rather inconsistent because burst speed timing differences + Cindy RNG

Any Cindy vs +0.5RL Noah block not always reliable imo

[coarse lake]

for god comp CS affects taunt priority

proper taunt priority at specific times is what makes the comp work

[glad meteor]

If combat power didn’t affect pvp, it’d be much easier to roll charge speed and go for optimal lines. But need power or else I’ll be bricked

[quick lake]

4x ele 4x cs

[glad meteor]

My rumani got 2 4.92cs, could easily roll 2 more cs lines since they have a higher probability. But I’m just going to focus on pve atm. Don’t see much use for 17% CS rumani right now.

[quick lake]

2.5RL teams are nice

[full flame]

The dudes in team building sent me here for SP arena team cooking
I'm getting constantly kicked from diamond to platinum and it's getting annoying, would appreciate the help

[spiral onyx]

Oh nice, so no "RNG" whiffing

I guess then target skipping is also fixed? Except on reload

And did they fix the CS bug where CS gets applied to all units?

Cause I'd rather not spend 400 cubes rerolling charge speed lines on my MGs/SGs lol

[swift mango]

Could tell more about this bug? Or where I could read more about it?

[spiral onyx]

Prydwen probably has it recorded in its miscellaneous mechanics section

Miscellaneous "mechanics"/bugs

[swift mango]

Thanks

[spiral onyx]

Cause at this point we no longer know what's intentional vs a "bug"

[swift mango]

I mean if my SG has 15% CS, does it mean every RL of my team get 15% CS as well?

🤔

[spiral onyx]

That's what the bug did before yeah

[swift mango]

I guess I won't need to reroll some of my SG now

[spiral onyx]

Which is why I see it as a bug and not intended

So I just assumed it would be fixed sooner or later

[swift mango]

Ty

[spiral onyx]

Whiffing though "made sense" even though we don't like it so I didn't expect it to be fixed (but hoped it would be)

[glad meteor]

Yeah. Don’t need to put automatic weapon in p1 anymore

[spiral onyx]

that's actually pretty huge for team comp ordering

[glad meteor]

Yeah, could run emi / scalter / ein jackal comps more safely, blanc was always vulnerable

[spiral onyx]

This means Noise can now safely be put in P1

[swift mango]

Did this bug apply to RL as well ?

Like, if one of my RL had 15%, all my other RL also had 15%?

[spiral onyx]

No idea I didn't really test it out

[quick lake]

Yeah, I think it was the team's total cs was applied to the entire team

It has been fixed iirc. No more such bugs

[bleak shale]

the entire pvp is a bug

[quick lake]

"Features" not bugs

[swift mango]

Yeah, this one shouldn't be a thing now. Since, my RLs are shooting at different times.

I was looking around all this time and I couldn't find any article about this haha.

Thanks.

[swift mango]

Okay so to which unit do you have OL and doll on?

And is that all your SSR?

And do your S.Anis have lv9 on s3 and at least lv8 on skill 1?

[thorn pagoda]

@umbral crown if he still beats me, it means he's loading all of his OP nikkes onto 2 formations in attack lol

[keen vapor]

SBS P1 is no longer nonsense?

[swift mango]

Meh I will just throw out 3 teams and be done with

Crown+PurePunzel+Biscuit+Cinderella+Noir (4rl)

Blanc+S.Anis+Rapunzel+xMaiden+Rumani (3RL)

Grave+Privaty+RH+Anis+Sugar (3rl)

[swift mango]

Eh SBS p1 is fine if you just Jackal, xAnne, Rapunzel or Rossanna I guess.

[keen vapor]

Of course jackal

[keen vapor]

Is what I did when starting but then all targeted Blanc a second after

@rich quail I can finally use SBS without Blanc getting targeted

[umbral crown]

Also my suggestion is you start investing in different units, check your units and nikles like Ein, SBS, and B1s and B2 that can have a better performance

[thorn pagoda]

i used to prefer bunny soda over scarlet black in the past, but bunny soda gets nerfed by noah, which is what the opponent will use against her

[umbral crown]

Against noah most B3 are blocked

But there is just 1 noah

[thorn pagoda]

everybody is using Biscuit with Noah now
everybody else has to adapt and copy them otherwise they don't stand a chance

[umbral crown]

Yeah, thats a great way to counter single targets or units like Ein, Cindy and SBS

But you can take advantage by using other units to counter them

[thorn pagoda]

one day i'll use a rocket launcher formation on #1's Jackal team

[umbral crown]

I just use noah+biscuit when against certain units like Cindy or SBS

But you can work on laplace treasure

[thorn pagoda]

ah. i got laplace like 2 weeks ago. it might be worth it

[umbral crown]

Also focus on cindy if you have her as well

[thorn pagoda]

nobody in my pvp bracket uses Laplace at all

or Cindy lol

[umbral crown]

On pvp if its not noah+biscuit she wins by default

[thorn pagoda]

will give that a try

[umbral crown]

Laplace+ is a good addition

The more units you build,the more chances to win

[thorn pagoda]

it can sometimes take 1 week to OL 4 pieces of gear for 1 nikke, it's a long process but it's worth it. i've managed to OL Blanc, Noir, Tia Centi, Biscuit and Crown during the time you posted this

had just OL'd crown and biscuit by the time you posted that

[swift mango]

It takes around 10 days for me to OL 4 piece from lv0.

[thorn pagoda]

haven't counted the days, maybe it is 10 days or longer

[umbral crown]

[thorn pagoda]

also spending 50 extra gems each day to buy this once

you only get one piece of gear but it adds up over time

[swift mango]

Same

Doesn't make much difference, still 10 days.

[thorn pagoda]

might stop doing that, it's quite a lot of gems to waste

[swift mango]

I need to catch up I'm with the CN name in my SP bracket that has been always with me since first month. He was 10 level over me. 5 now.

[thorn pagoda]

Nero will be OL'd soon, then i need to do Liter, Sanis, Alice, Rosanna & Cindi

[thorn pagoda]

ah. you've caught up quite a lot then. nice one

[swift mango]

Dude was lazy with his campaign

[thorn pagoda]

#1 isn't that high on hard campaign either in my bracket

[keen vapor]

I'm fighting against whales 20 levels over me if I used my hoarding

[thorn pagoda]

he's spending all this money to level up with core dust but you get more core dust if you are higher in the campaign so you'd save money

[keen vapor]

Nah, not worth for me

[swift mango]

He isn't even the whale of my bracket lol... Just a CN name that's pretty good with Arena.

But doesn't log in as much.

[umbral crown]

Well i do not spend gems on that

For me its a waste but thas just me

[keen vapor]

Bc you don't push campaign

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

[thorn pagoda]

glad i'm not alone and other people are doing this too

now it doesn't feel like a waste

[swift mango]

You mean all normal players are whales to you 🙀

[keen vapor]

He said do not

[thorn pagoda]

ffff

[umbral crown]

Nero besides OL needs skill investment

[thorn pagoda]

6am
been up all night
no sleep
this is why i act so autistic sometimes lol
my bad

[keen vapor]

If I used

[swift mango]

But you spent over 3000gems to hit your whale.

[umbral crown]

Was for an experiment

[thorn pagoda]

got Nero to 5/6/6 so it shouldn't take too long

[umbral crown]

Cool focus on S1 first then S2

[swift mango]

I personally won't build Nero of all things lol... Noah, Blanc, Xmica, Biscuit... We have enough B2 to go around.

[umbral crown]

Xmica is B1

Noah with 4/4/4 works fine, biscuit as well unless you burst with her

[swift mango]

Nero need 5 heal to hit full stack before burst.

If you use her with biscuit you still need 4 heal. Then you would need Rapunzel to heal her to use to full effect.

That's not 3rl team. Unless you could Rapunzel 25% charge speed or close.

[glacial lion]

sac pos5 is useless right? it wont affect enemies burst gen?

[thorn pagoda]

not sure really. it can't hurt to OL a few more nikkes
i've spent way too long focusing on like 6 nikkes since creating my account so it's about time to diversify

[umbral crown]

Of course will not be 3 RL, not everything needs to be like that

[umbral crown]

Hmmm, probably nope since only SG focus P5 on defense

[swift mango]

That likely the reason Merry use Nero team at 4rl... His Rapunzel CS is 20% too.

To hit 5 shot to heal Nero before bursting.

That's lots of investment

[glacial lion]

bruh...

[keen vapor]

If you burst with Biscuit then she 5/5/5

[glacial lion]

"calculated"

[swift mango]

4-5-7 to me

[keen vapor]

Mmmmm but Nero is on P5 on his team

So he uses Moran

[swift mango]

Rapunzel heal 3 units.

P1-2-5 equal 3

[keen vapor]

[coarse lake]

a lot of ppl bricking themselves huh

[swift mango]

What are you talking about?

[coarse lake]

in no universe should nero be the 7th nikke you invest into

[swift mango]

Who invest Nero as their 7th Nikke?

[coarse lake]

the dude that wants to diversify after focusing on 6 nikkes

[swift mango]

Nvm

[umbral crown]

4/7/7

[coarse lake]

1/4/4

[swift mango]

Cheapskate 😕

[coarse lake]

waste of resources otherwise

I had her at 1/4/7 for a while, used her burst once, and never again

[swift mango]

When you are fighting deficit every single CP count.

[ember temple]

[coarse lake]

the miniscule bit of cp isn't worth the book cost

[swift mango]

Sleep is for the weak!(I'm weak)

[swift mango]

The book cost is also miniscule.

[coarse lake]

it took me like 8 months to not be in perma book debt

maybe if you only invest into pvp and campaign units you got the spare books to throw for cp stacking

[swift mango]

Just don't do raid, easy 😏

My Elegg and Sugar is permanently 5/5/5 for some reason.

Some reasons

I wished I could man enough to 10/10/10 them....

I haven't even use Sugar in arena for awhile....

[coarse lake]

Pretty sure both are reset for me

[swift mango]

Yeah, for you.

[coarse lake]

Skill actually has to do something for me to bring it above 1

Biscuit s1 does actually nothing

I don't see why anyone would have egg invest for practical use

Same with sugar

[swift mango]

The give emotional support for me to play this game.

Very practical

On another note. Sugar treasure when? She is Tetra strongest lorewise but not gameplay wise at all.

[coarse lake]

Next batch

With maxwell

[swift mango]

Copium hit hard

[coarse lake]

Frima laplace, milk drake

[swift mango]

Hmm, Elysion strongest squad got zero Treasure though.

Elysion got c* as always

[upper grove]

Overspec absolute

Thanks to this chat I can finally chill at rank 1 when top 6 has 4/6 jp/cn clients

[swift mango]

I got a bunch of nikkes at skill level 2-3 there is just not enough skill reset for them. They can be considered permanent losses.

They could have make skill reset system

Like reset a skill lv 1-4 for 10 gem. Lv5-7 for 50 gem. And 8-10 for 250 gem. That would much lenient on the player than what we have now. And still prevent non-whaler from abusing it.

[graceful grotto]

bruh

[vapid lake]

she wont be pvp relevant but she does big pp dmg

actually depends how big her aoe is

might be good at attacking

[raven plover]

120 hits

[vapid lake]

explosion radius +100% if the aoe is big and can wipe enemy team have potential

[quick lake]

On burst, deals XMaiden like Nuke Dmg, thereafter continues to do dmg to P2 and splash to P3

xmaiden + SAnis hybrid I guess

[vapid lake]

but definitely cannot use on defense because feed jackal

[swift mango]

60 when bursting as B3.

[cedar orbit]

if you wanna put her in a 2 RL team, probably Jackal feed wouldn't matter that much

also 30 fps gameplay, so she is half as good

[quick lake]

Probably doesnt need any buffer

[swift mango]

Low spec phone and PC also got hit by this.

[quick lake]

Thats 30 bullets per second at 30 FPS

[raven plover]

now you said that

[quick lake]

Okay, now her usefulness drops. Less nuke dmg

[swift mango]

I think it's still like 60 after ramping up.

[raven plover]

surely they wont be bug right, like the game doesnt calculate the 60 hits cut so you still have to do 120

[cedar orbit]

no, pvp runs at 30 fps

[raven plover]

120 hits we prolly wont see the explosion on pvp

[quick lake]

30 FPS nerf

[swift mango]

Eh if MG only fire 30 bullets per second then they should feed less than SG even at max ramp up. Weird

[cedar orbit]

20 bullets vs 30 bullets

[quick lake]

Now that u mention it , oops

[swift mango]

@quick lake

My bad

Mg feeds around the same as SG at 3rl... Just checked feed chart, 60 vs 65.

[covert lintel]

how about when quick battle is on

[swift mango]

Should be the same

Fights are calculated during load time. If you quit the battle and do not watch it, the result would still apply.

[swift mango]

Use her with Rosanna

[covert lintel]

the combat assist value is too low, she just cdr

[swift mango]

With MG for hit count and skill for extra dmg.

She is also 10 seconds and attacker self-atk buff means she is about as good as liter to buff someone like Cindy at max core but longer duration.

[cedar orbit]

comparatively, Liter is also a bad B1, CDR is so important that units can afford to be bad

[swift mango]

I figure core 7 red Rapi should power creep liter for campaign now.

[covert lintel]

self atk is only for B3
no self atk for B1

[rough veldt]

damn, rapi's kit is busted AF

[cedar orbit]

arguably her burst is worse, but Liter is too old and her first 2 bursts are slow

[swift mango]

I mean she buff other Nikke based on her self atk.

Not based on their %

[rough veldt]

her DPS is going to be insane

[quick lake]

Hmm, liter still seems better. 66% atk still better than 18% castor atk

[rough veldt]

obviously liter is still going to be the b1 queen, but rapi's b3 is crazy

[graceful grotto]

As pvp? She's a stronger buffer but has worse burst gen and feeds jackal more

[covert lintel]

18% of her base atk, mean if u f2p and worst luck(only get 1copy), she is very bad

[swift mango]

Well, Cindy as a defender has less than half an attacker ATK I mean.

[rough veldt]

no i meant for story and bossing

[cedar orbit]

That's not true

[quick lake]

Yep Cindy buffer definitely great. But poor burst gen

Defender is 4/6 of Attacker's atk

[cedar orbit]

man, I wanna compare her to Cindy, now I have to calculate Cindy's dps too

[quick lake]

~11,000% over 10s in full burst at 60FPS.
So probably half of that in 30FPS

[swift mango]

Welp. Skipable I guess. Unless I need her for tower... Maybe just wishlist both Doro and Red Rapi to hope for either...

[quick lake]

Probably like.. A rank in pvp maybe

[swift mango]

On the scale of SSS maybe but that's pushing it.

[graceful grotto]

Her viability as B3 in pvp heavily depends on how her AOE will be

Probably at best another Cindy

[swift mango]

If her AoE as B3 could hit all, she will be side grade to Emilia. And maybe SS rank.

Edit: Just my guess. Not definitely like how I wrote it feels like lol.

[quick lake]

Do we know Emilia's attack range %?

[covert lintel]

same as emilia

above 100%

that mean she can screen wipe

[swift mango]

This is just the range increase. We don't know her default range.

[quick lake]

True dat

[swift mango]

Emilia default range already better than normal RL. She hit p1-2-3 instead of just p1-2.

[covert lintel]

but attachable projectile is not her normal atk, it count as skill

[worthy knoll]

I think its similar to Smol White

They do use the same weapon

[swift mango]

Smol White use AR though

[quick lake]

Doubt its gonna hit 5 target. At most 3, likely 2.

[worthy knoll]

Well the name is both 7 Dwarves

Not sure how it became MG, upgraded 7 dwarves I guess

[quick lake]

So u're dealing ~2k% dmg every 2 seconds

[swift mango]

There are totally 7 dwarves in the 7 dwarves.

[quick lake]

49 dwarves

[worthy knoll]

The projectiles also now, explodes

[quick lake]

Forgot about that

[cedar orbit]

according to my quick calcs, she should be dealing around 18% more dmg than Cindy in PVE single target, guess it's time to uninstall the game.

[quick lake]

Cindy powercreep

[covert lintel]

my friend said because mana tweaked it when healing grave

[worthy knoll]

Well could be, but I think it was Grave herself who tweaked it. Then gave it to Rapi

[swift mango]

Supposed her explosion could hit 5 and her s2 make her stronger to Electric as well.

Maybe time for meta shift in Arena. Or at least good bye to SBS.

And I just OL x4 SBS as well

[worthy knoll]

Well her pain point is still her being an MG. So its easy to same or out speed her

[cedar orbit]

To be fair, her splash is not that strong, 130% of her attack/sec

[swift mango]

X2 by her her s2. X4 by her s3.

[cedar orbit]

I already factored in the multipliers, just 130% of her base attack

[covert lintel]

i still don't have sbs and now u saying good bye

[cedar orbit]

actually, nvm, I left the burst down penalty on her, the explosion dmg is around 172% of her attack/sec

her main damage source is the attachment, which is presumably single target

[swift mango]

Well, I just reread her skill...

I don't think projective attachment being AoE dmg.

So it's just the explosion deal AoE.

And s3 doesn't buff Explosion.

Her AoE capacity should be super weak I guess.

Just 88% * 2 * 1.95 every 60 bullets. So around 170% every second...

Easy skip.

[cedar orbit]

she has that massive attack buff and only shoots half as fast in pvp

[worthy knoll]

My worry is the word "attachable".. like is it some kind of beacon that attaches to some location then it bombards there. i wonder if it attaches to Nikkes or maybe it only "attach" to parts or core 🤔

[quick lake]

Its like a sticky grenade i think

Build stacks, then kaboom in full burst

[cedar orbit]

oh wait, the projectiles only explode when you enter full burst?

she actually has no aoe

[graceful grotto]

Ultimately won't be surprised if rapi becomes a bossing only unit

[swift mango]

Yeah, this is also a problem. If it only explodes once when you enter FB then it's useless for Arena.

[graceful grotto]

Judging from her kit at least at this moment

[quick lake]

The accumulated sticky explodes on full burst. Then in FB, its explodes immediately I think

Glorified xMaiden

[swift mango]

This would make she good in campaign, tower and Arena.

SU won't give us an Elysion this good so maybe won't happen.

[cedar orbit]

Yeah, in the vid they explode immediately in full burst

[swift mango]

But what about after?

[quick lake]

So the attachment splash dmg only starts in FB

[cedar orbit]

it explodes as soon as it lands

[quick lake]

I call her pvp mid

[swift mango]

Then she should be good in Arena and campaign now

[graceful grotto]

I guess no continuous dmg

Also looks like definitely not an off burst unit

[cedar orbit]

even if you gigabuff her, her explosions should only deal 10% hp max/sec

it does hit electric and wind units tho

[swift mango]

Basically 90% of meta in arena

[graceful grotto]

What if she apply during burst?

It explodes immediately right?

[cedar orbit]

in the vid it does explode immediately, yeah

[swift mango]

@graceful grotto

[graceful grotto]

Her s2 buff herself only, kinda sad

[full elk]

could i get an update on my pvp teams please? been losing some matches i shouldn't be recently, my current teams are -
1 - noise/noah/s.anis/rapunzel/anis
2 - jackal/scarlet/b.scarlet/x.anne/noir
3 - blancemilia/red hood/biscuit/centi

[cedar orbit]

her numbers are already 30% higher than they should be

[graceful grotto]

But this also meant her s2 won't be much use if you're using her as a b1

[swift mango]

The Cindy salt is real

[graceful grotto]

Since her personal dmg mainly comes from her burst

Ah welp, all this speculation

She might surprise us as a heavy off burst atker lmao

[swift mango]

Her attachable with still explode during fb.m even as B1.

And she will be buffed by Grave, Rei.A and Asuka in Fire team.

Basically, the fire team has 5 dps now.

[cedar orbit]

oh wait, I'm a dummy, I didn't factor that she can't burst non-stop, Cindy might be saved

[graceful grotto]

Wdym?

[swift mango]

Other than her S3, all her other buffs are applied without needing her to burst.

Cindy is not saved.

[cedar orbit]

Her missing out on the 421.2% attachment damage increase is massive

[graceful grotto]

Have to see how much that can deal, cause considering her b3 basically quadruple it, I doubt they will make it really high without her b3, otherwise her b3 gonna be insane lol

[cedar orbit]

yeah, she is kinda poopooo off-burst

[swift mango]

Cindy missing out on her 20000% Ulti each cycle is also massive.

[cedar orbit]

we are still not saved, she is 2% better

[graceful grotto]

Man that's insane

2%! Who wouldve thought

[swift mango]

She is also better with common AtK buff like Liter.

[quick lake]

Rapipi pulls ahead

[swift mango]

Rapipipi

[graceful grotto]

Rapipi let's go

[cedar orbit]

considering Cindy has no aoe, can't hit 2 elements for weakness and her core hits being bad, it's a massive powercreep

[swift mango]

Cindy wipe is best in the game. And she is tanky as f for arena too. She will be fine.

[cedar orbit]

I mean, Rapi will probably be extremely situational in PVP, like you have the enemy beaten by running Biscuit into RH and you just want to spend 10 seconds aoe-ing the enemy team down.

[swift mango]

Blanc exist. Solo Scarlet already deadly. Now we can solo Rapipi.

Probably S-SS if her explosion could hit 5.

If her explosion couldn't hit 4-5 targets then she is useless for Arena I guess.

[graceful grotto]

I'll say as long as it hit 3 it's good enough

Blanc rapipi that is hard to taunt gonna be insane

[swift mango]

They could still put p4-5 safe so basically Emilia normal attack but need to burst to doing so.

P4 is often the safest place in an Arena match. Able to hit it is crucial.

[swift mango]

Also, Solo Scarlet being that good also accounting for her could dmg the whole team with her RNG s2.

[graceful grotto]

ahh yes, hence why i always hate that team comp lol

[lucid wedge]

can sum1 cook up 3 pvp teams for me pls

[swift mango]

People should have figured out Emilia team by now and it's pretty easy to beat when you attack it.

So maybe it's time to change up to Cindy wipe.

[full elk]

are the other 2 teams ok? i didn't want to invest too much into x.anne and emilia in case i needed to swap them out, what would an ideal cindy team be?

[swift mango]

Probably sth like

Noah+Noise+ASS+Biscuit+Rapu

Scarlet+Blanc/xAnne+RH/pepper+Emilia+Jackal

Centi+Rumani+Anis+Cindy+noir/XMaiden

Try to get 8%+ CS on Emi if possible.

[quick lake]

Emilia will always be meta in pvp. Good to invest her

[full elk]

is rumani good for pvp? also should i ditch other units like regular anis and black scarlet?

[swift mango]

Rumani is often used like Anis but better CP and self heal.

[full elk]

ahh i see, good thing i didn't overload anis yet, will 4/4/4 be enough for rumani or does she need proper investment?

[swift mango]

Black Scarlet is still good option for attacking.

[swift mango]

Both need OL if you want both 2rl Cindy and 2.5RL Scarlet for defense tbh.

4/4/4 is enough for both Anis and rumani

[quick lake]

Generally you want to initial OL ur pvp units. so OL +0, skill 4/4/4 is good. Oops my bad OL+0 edit xd

[cedar orbit]

don't OL +5, it's way too expensive for very small gain

[full elk]

thanks a lot, i'll give this party a try

[swift mango]

OL x4 is enough. +5 is only for key units, waifu and campaign team.

[swift mango]

Noise+Blanc+SBS+XMaiden+Jackal

Crown+Purepunzel+Biscuit+Cindy+Viper

Naga+Centi+Phantom/Alice+Liter+Anis

[livid knot]

hey guys!
a small explanation before i start:
i haven't changed my SP team since last year yet i was in top 15 all the time. i haven't fight either. this year i had to fight probably like 5 times. thanks to my relative high level, people avoided me. till now. today i saw that i lost my position.

sooooo... the reason why im here:
i changed my teams and saw someone in the 8th position with 200k less power. i was like i can take that position, and i took it. this means that my team is working. but im not entirely sure if they are really good.

i tried to look up team combinations online, but most of them was made 10+ months ago.
the "new" teams i found was made with low level players (nikke lvl under 300) or troll teams to test different nikkes.

i know that there is NO best team combination, but if you know a good comp that will keep me in top15 without fights in the next year, i am all ears.

(please note that im talking about nikke lvl 470 and above)

[summer copper]

k

[tropic summit]

hi Nevada, thanks for the background, you can start by sharing your box (your nikke full roster), ordered by strength, and your current 3 defense teams, then we can take it from there

[livid knot]

give me a moment.

i have 138 nikkes. it would be too long to show all, but this is a pic of the strongests.

and this is the team that i use

[tropic summit]

oh ok i see a few issues

[livid knot]

tell me xd don't hold back xd

[tropic summit]

haha you'll be fine, you got most of the meta needed nikke anyway

gonna cook, brb

[quick lake]

Can probably top 10 with enough pvp knowledge/investment

[livid knot]

i don't want that. i just want top 15 without fights.

[tropic summit]

imo you should aim for lower challanger/dia1, staying around ch6-ch10 should be doable for you unless you got plenty of whales/leviatans

although with investiment you could compete ch1-ch3

anyways, done, do you happen to have rumani at the bottom of the list @livid knot

[quick lake]

I was 4-7 without changing my team for months . admittedly not that many whales in my bracket

[livid knot]

i can't do top 5. they have 2.8-3.5m team power.
the team i use have 2.5m

if im not wrong, CP differences hit hard in SP.

[quick lake]

Yeah 2.8m it’s tough

[livid knot]

i have her. exacly at the bottom of the SSR list.

[quick lake]

Just saying you can do it if you try

[tropic summit]

hmm ok well let's keep her there for now, see how the teams im about to give you do first

[tropic summit]

scarlet blanc rh emilia jackal
noah noise biscuit sbs xmaiden
centi viper cind rapu ein

cubes:

quantum on jackal, centi
vigor on blanc, noise, biscuit, rapu
temperance on noah

anyone else just run ur best cube

notes:

1. sbs can be replaced with ein if they start countering you with a biscuit + p1 defender, albeit you'll lose a bit of CP
2. investing in emilia is gonna open another variation in one of your teams
3. investing in rumani can remove viper from T3, reducing your SG feed drastically
4. investing in s.anis can open a variation in T2

[livid knot]

wow. with lower cp. nice! but do you have to fight every day, and change your attack team depending on the opponents' def team? because that would be too much for me xd SP arena is idle gameplay for me xd

[tropic summit]

on the table in the SS you can see distribution per investiment, the other table is your RL speed, the rest just make sure to place the nikke as the position given, give it a 24-48h to see if it holds

[livid knot]

wow thats a lot of info! i didn't expect this much xd wait, give me a moment to let it sink in my brain.

[tropic summit]

what matters is that you get the nikke positioning and cubes right, if you miss what it means to be 3RL you can give this a read when you got 5 mins:

https://nikke.gg/arena-mechanics/

[quick lake]

Can be sweaty/try harding at times

[tropic summit]

imo nothing to lose by playing defensive the first 18-20h, then if noone attacked just use their attempts

[quick lake]

Yep yep. My bracket gave up attacking me after my pvp investment

[livid knot]

what does invest in Emilia means? i have her full lvl5 ol. what stats are needed? and what should be the skills' lvl?

[quick lake]

s1 lv 10, with total 8% cs on OLs

[tropic summit]

oh as she was far below the top nikke per strength i though you didn't, that's pretty good 🤔

keep that in mind if you start seeing your def failing, we could run an indom emi on def in case aswell

CS% OLs are a good plus, although a 30-40 atk% also helps

the dude has all the cards to be ch1-ch3

your bracket should probably be thankful you never bothered climbing into ch ranks

[livid knot]

i feel ashamed lol check this out

i have her full lvl5 ol

BUT I FORGET HER SKILLS LOL

[tropic summit]

oh there we go

[quick lake]

[tender valve]

https://tenor.com/view/magnus-carlsen-magnus-carlsen-chess-checkmate-gif-11643339432039473066

[livid knot]

what should be her skills' lvl to be useful?

[tropic summit]

the man, the legend, true underdog life

[tropic summit]

https://www.prydwen.gg/nikke/guides/guide-emilia/#:~:text=Skill Investments&text=We recommend keeping it at,Max Ammo OLs Emilia has.

go with the above, should be fine

[errant tide]

What 3 pvp teams should I do¿

[livid knot]

4-7-6 was doable. i run out of RSS. next time i will use the skill reset thing to reset some off tier nikkes.
probably after daily reset i can get it to 4-7-7 which is the minimum for her.

[tropic summit]

you'll get some extra CP out of it which boosts T1 overall so, all gud

[quick lake]

brb lemme cook

[errant tide]

Alr sure 🗿

[tropic summit]

biscuit lvl 15 , rumani out of sync (fix these 2 first imo)

as for the rest, i'll leave it to @quick lake , i'd work with the following:

rh
laplace
cind
liter
viper
sbs
alice
jackal
scarlet
ein
noise
noir
centi
blanc
tia
xmaiden
rapu
biscuit (needs to be synced and invested)
rumani (needs to be synced and invested)

[errant tide]

Laplace and viper have maxed fav items too btw 🗿

Should I send what teams I use atm¿

No clue how good that is

[quick lake]

T1: Scarlet Naga RH Rapunzel Jackal
T2: Noise Centi Cindy Viper xMaiden
T3: Blanc SBS Laplace Biscuit Rumani

Good to sync Biscuit and Rumani as they're key pvp units. Would also invest in SAnis as she's good for both pve and pvp. Can slot swap Naga with Noah when u get her

[errant tide]

Og rapunzel right¿

[quick lake]

yep OG rapun

[errant tide]

For T1,
Scarlet has lvl 4 ol and is 8/8/8
Naga has full ol and is 6/6/6 (can ez change that)
RH ofcause maxed
Rapunzel no upgrades (yet) and is 6/6/6
Shakal lvl 2 ol and is 7/7/8

[quick lake]

Jackal 4/4/4 is more than enough.
You'll eventually invest in Naga so no worries about that, she's great in pve as well.
Scarlet 10/7/10 is enough imo

[errant tide]

So mainly invest in scarlet?

[quick lake]

I advise to take a look at prydwen's skill guide. They're pretty accurate

[errant tide]

I will later

Anyone needs a spacial cube?

[quick lake]

If you want to build your pvp teams, sure 10/7/10 is good!

[quick lake]

The important ones are Jackal/Centi/Rumani with quantum cubes. The rest can just put highest lv cube is fine. Not a big factor

[errant tide]

Now sge is 10/8/10

My game is german I have to check what the quantum cube is rq lol

[quick lake]

Wow! Thats fast! Would recommend looking at the pvp guides in pins, or at prydwen. Team building is equally, if not more important than unit investments

So invested units, but poor team building is abit pointless as well

[errant tide]

Yeaa

[quick lake]

This defence team should last you for awhile

[errant tide]

I dont have quantum cube yet 🗿

[quick lake]

Its okayy, no rush about it. You''ll get there eventually

[errant tide]

I wanted to continue story today anyway

Wont take long

[livid knot]

thank you very much for this detailed explanation.
i changed everything according to this.

[tropic summit]

awesome, let's see the results next 24-48h, i suggest you still try climbing harder, the better the opponents the better you can test those def teams

[livid knot]

now lets see how things turn out. btw current power is 2.6m

[quick lake]

wow thats higher

2.6 can win 2.8. Tough but not impossible

[livid knot]

can those teams be used for attack?

[quick lake]

Not encouraged but you can if u're lazy thats what I did last time

[tropic summit]

hmm, the noah/noise/sbs team avoid using them against p1 defender and biscuit, can be used against scar-blanc
the scarlet team use it against anything that doesn't have noah, in particular counters SMGs/MGs/ARs
the cind nuke anything that doesn't have noah

[errant tide]

For T2,
Noise has lvl2 gear and is 6/6/6
Centi has lvl0 gear and is 6/6/6
Cind is ofcause maxed
Viper is maxed
Xmaiden has lvl2 gear and is 5/10/5

I can upgrade gear easily to 5 btw

[quick lake]

Centi 666 is abit of an overkill. 444 is enough. Noise is fine. 777 if u want to but optional

Would recommend looking at the skill guides. Skill levels abit different from recommended level

[errant tide]

Alr now she is 7/7/7

[quick lake]

Unless u relly wanna focus on pvp. Core PvE units more important eg SBS Crown Naga Alice RH, and Rapi

[errant tide]

How important are gear upgrades for someone like centi or noise

[quick lake]

Good to have but not a must. They work perfectly fine at +0 OL gears. Anything more is a bonus

[errant tide]

I can atleast make them all lvl 3

[quick lake]

I would save

[errant tide]

Lvl 3 non ov

Ol*

[quick lake]

The fact that u have alot of resource would mean that other key units not invested

[errant tide]

Nope just saved, alot

Like my liter is also maxed

[quick lake]

Can probably OL chest piece +0 if u want, but generally they would still work

[errant tide]

Alr

I will make them all lvl 3 non ol and look after

[quick lake]

OL is generally more CP/HP and survivability

[errant tide]

Definitely not enough for all ol

[quick lake]

[errant tide]

Maybe enough

[quick lake]

Use them wisely and sparingly. You run out of fodder real quick

Can build coming SSR Rapi

[errant tide]

Yea but until the next important nikke come out i will have enough again

[errant tide]

Yea I wont be able to 10/10/10 her

But 8/8/8

[prisma pebble]

new rapi looks awesome

[quick lake]

[errant tide]

I have a good team so why not spend what I have for pvp now

[prisma pebble]

i am thinking about dumping all summons into rapi.... but i dont want to waste them XD

[errant tide]

I do have 530 ticket's so maybe I buy 1 copy for sbs or ssr rapi

[prisma pebble]

i'm still hoping that 2B makes a return

[quick lake]

Yep! Good to have pvp investments, more passive gem income

[errant tide]

Yep

[livid knot]

limited and collab. not going to happen.

[errant tide]

For T3,
Blanc has lvl 2 gear and is 7/7/7
SBS ofcause maxed
Laplace my love ofcause maxed
Biscuit 0 investment
Ramani 0 investment

[prisma pebble]

i know.... but that was the event that made me play the game, didnt really had a chance to get enough copies of the units

[quick lake]

Biscuit & Rumani 4/4/4 is enough. Blanc is 4/4/10

[livid knot]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-cat-kitty-mochi-mochimons-gif-5580034016811418681

[errant tide]

Alr I make them 6/6/6 but i don't think I can make blanc 7/7/10

[quick lake]

Yep no worries. 7/7/7 is still good

[prisma pebble]

not in the first few weeks of playingXD now i would consider

[errant tide]

Blanc is now 7/7/9 and Im broke with ult resources 🗿

[quick lake]

Save for Rapi

[errant tide]

I will now

Now that im done with that, who should I give ol gear (lvl0)¿

[livid knot]

simulation room---> overclock. for those who haven't finished difficulty 25 yet. (for skill materials)

[quick lake]

Depends on ur priority. If u're into raids u can OL raid units

[errant tide]

Actually I wont even get to the top 30

[quick lake]

https://www.prydwen.gg/nikke/guides/overload-gear-recommendations/
Can check here for priority and line prioty

[errant tide]

But thanks alot

[quick lake]

[errant tide]

Like the 21 places nikkes are 100 lvl higher then mine

[keen vapor]

We're getting Eva rerun let's gooooooooo

[coarse lake]

reset blanc to max of 4/4/10 next chance you get

rumani stays 1/1/1 since you're low on skill books

biscuit 1/4/4 max if low on skill books, 1/4/7 if you burst with biscuit in pvp often

[errant tide]

I have her 7/7/9 rn

[coarse lake]

use reset book on her the next time it comes around

[errant tide]

Bis is 6/6/6

[coarse lake]

are you low on s1/s2 books

[errant tide]

Uh... idk

I have enough to get ssr rapi to 8/8/8 im sure

[coarse lake]

reset biscuit if you got reset tickets spare next time, won't get that much back, so not that high prio

[errant tide]

Why? She is only 6/6/6

[coarse lake]

there are only 2 pvp-only support units that want anything higher than lvl 4, and that's noise burst and rapunzel s1

it's still wasted books, although not as much waste as blanc

[errant tide]

I dont think its that much wasted... most cost is from 7+

[coarse lake]

it's not that much, so resetting others is higher prio, but it's still waste

if your blue book count isn't 4 digits, don't bother investing into skills purely for cp stacking

[errant tide]

Should I give scarlet sr treasure¿

[coarse lake]

if you want

[errant tide]

I have 2 and 7 boxes to choose sr treasures so why not

8k power more now

Is naga worth giving one? I do have 4 Sr ones

[gaunt cypress]

from 0 to lvl 5 gear it only requires 63 T9 gear, and for OL gear only 47 T9 gear from lvl 0 - 3

[errant tide]

Good to know

Who should I focus on first to ol gear and giving treaures¿

[keen vapor]

DPS first
Then buffers

Then PVP batteries

[errant tide]

All dps are done already

I gave everyone atleast the hp dmg tile ol gear lvl 2

If I had Noah she would be a must have right¿

[keen vapor]

Don't level gear up after overload or you get low on credits/gear exp

[keen vapor]

Yes

[errant tide]

Ik thats why only lvl

2

[void pendant]

Greetings, Could you recommend me some teams to beat my rival? This is my rival's team:

[keen vapor]

level 0

[errant tide]

It doesnt cost much to do 0->2

[keen vapor]

It piles up

[errant tide]

Ik, thats why I stop at 2

[keen vapor]

[tropic summit]

emilia doko

[keen vapor]

:Worry pat:

[umbral crown]

[keen vapor]

[tropic summit]

really... timed out for what now

[keen vapor]

Use Cindy team but replace last unit with Noah and put it in Position 1.... For round 1

For round 3 use team 1

[tropic summit]

are those enemy nikke teams? post your box so we can see what cards to play

[keen vapor]

Imagine you didn't wrote -inos

[elder cosmos]

was about to say that

[tropic summit]

oooooooooh, naruhodo desune

what a silly life...

[keen vapor]

Your contributions very useful

[elder cosmos]

and all that effort just to gatekeep racist people

[keen vapor]

Oh wait a moment... I want a V2.1

Centi should be in Scarlet team not Anis, she's too low HP bc of SR rarity

[tropic summit]

well f. you're right

unless they're as invested as @normal wedge anis

[tropic summit]

[keen vapor]

[tropic summit]

anis deleted from existance

[keen vapor]

You know Maiden buff doesn't apply to Scarlet nuke bc she's too fast... Right?

[tropic summit]

aye, but does it matter when you've got blanc and rh already buffing?

HOW HARD YOU WANT THAT NUKE ECHO

[keen vapor]

GIVE ME CENTI

[tropic summit]

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

[keen vapor]

And Anis!

[tropic summit]

managed to do it without centi even

[keen vapor]

[tropic summit]

does this please your requirements, @keen vapor -sama?

oh if you wanted centi although, it's doable

[coarse lake]

are you guys using that against a sanis team

[tropic summit]

more like messing around on very general teams

[keen vapor]

Fine I'll do it myself

[tropic summit]

le centi