pvp-arena

[bleak shale]

but if u die ur dead

[quick lake]

Is there data on number of shots per RL time, for different weapon types? SMG/MG

Realised there's a wind up time for mg/smg units

[bleak shale]

there was a long time ago but i couldnt figure out a display and then gave up on making a frame based calc

[quick lake]

[bleak shale]

the best way is probably just look at feed chart 1 target

[quick lake]

Thats pretty smart

Who researched/math these numbers? so much testing

[bleak shale]

alot of it was from NGA

almost all the newer weps are from me looking frame by frame

[covert lintel]

can't even kill centi

[bleak shale]

like sbs/cindy

[quick lake]

Damn

[cedar orbit]

damn, he is weak sauce

[keen vapor]

Maiden burst gen is the same as Noah, noted

[covert lintel]

CP diff and get HP buffed by noise

[bleak shale]

thats feed chart

actually i need to update that noah is double rl

wait its already correct

[keen vapor]

[bleak shale]

cuz maiden has extra 1 proc and theres only 1 target

[keen vapor]

Just like Modernia

[covert lintel]

team 1 win though

maybe xanne too bad compared to blanc

[keen vapor]

Maybe

[cedar orbit]

you know what's funny, enemy team 1 can't generate enough energy, because P2 dies in 1 hit

[keen vapor]

Smart

[covert lintel]

T1 needed blanc to win, so is there an alternative for T2 and T3?

[quick lake]

Could replace T1 Blanc with xanne if you have

[strong hull]

Time to build

[covert lintel]

i've tried that already and lost

[tropic summit]

did you post ur box? can you also post their 3 teams? (want to see what kind of CP u dealing against)

[spiral onyx]

Keripo's Initial PvP Analysis of XMaiden

Busy with work and daughter's birthday + holiday party prep stuff so just gonna copy paste the blurb I wrote for the tier list

XMaiden is a very solid long battle PvE unit but in PvP she is primarily just a battery and buffer. Her S2 grants electric team members 20% of her attack after Burst 1, which is a stronger "passive" buff than either Noir or Drake. While it's only limited to electric units, many of the current meta DPS are electric so fitting her into a team won't be too hard (can often be a drop in replacement for the aforementioned two). Her S2 also does an extra hit to her primary target, letting her help burn down P1 units while also increasing her burst gen level to that of clip SGs without contributing nearly as much Jackal feed. As a defender she is also a safer P5 pick, especially in a Biscuit team.

Recommended roll if you want to use her for PvE. Can skip for PvP if you already have an invested Noir or Drake.

>> Keripo's PvP tier list rating: B+ <<
https://tinyurl.com/nikke-pvp-tierlist

No permalink, not gonna bother making a Reddit post for this.

[grizzled bone]

Will add to the index

[covert lintel]

@tropic summit this
box mean my charlist?

[tropic summit]

well jesus christ that CP is astronomical

your t1 would be barely in 14% deficit against their t2

[covert lintel]

here my recent battle against that
t1 win, but it cost blanc

[tropic summit]

is it still possible to kill rapu and moran on a full buffed scarlet b3? (e.g. with blanc and RH) at that sync level?

well minus moran as she'll proc biscuit together with noah

[covert lintel]

idk, that T2 killed my team without even full burst

[tropic summit]

oh but you've an emilia 🤔

[covert lintel]

[tropic summit]

you done a buffed emilia nuke against their t2 or t3 b4?

and how invested is your rosanna

[covert lintel]

yes, like this

[tropic summit]

hmm that's on CP deficit tho, did it wipe?

[keen vapor]

[covert lintel]

with the same level the team always win, but with that team rip

[strong hull]

Brilliant

Let me log in

[covert lintel]

71010

[tropic summit]

i'm thinking you could try scarlet blanc rh noir jackal on t2 (or any high CP instead of noir to hit 3RL) and noise noah emi anis centi on t1

t2 is 4RL, if you could kill s.anis and rapu it would drammatically decrease their survival

[dim sapphire]

No A+ ? Hmmmmm

[tropic summit]

although that CP is a problem, even after seeing your box it's gonna be tricky form 2 teams that can stand within 15% cp gap

[dim sapphire]

shes clip sg, buff and not much feed to jackal is enough reason for A+ xo keripo

Shes definitely will be use in CA

[covert lintel]

T1 win already, or should i change again?

[gaunt cypress]

[covert lintel]

u mean A2? no, rng pranked me

no sbs yet

[spiral onyx]

Guillotine is a lolz, not worth rolling for either PvP or PvE. Just for memes.

[strong hull]

Salty she cant even outweigh quency thief

[tropic summit]

hmm

[summer copper]

Armpits though

[tropic summit]

but nah let's see if there's something less RNGy

[swift mango]

Is your Emilia 21%+ charge speed?

[tropic summit]

uh forgot the rosanna tho, gonna remake

[swift mango]

Just swap your highest CP left over unit with Anis.

In that case, to escape deficit and you would have a chance to win.

With 21% CS Emilia team would be 3.3rl even with crown replacing Anis.

[tropic summit]

nah scratch that, not familiar enough for that sync level

[kindred tinsel]

can someone cook improved teams here i want to catch them off guard

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

armpits value

[umbral crown]

100%

[gaunt cypress]

got her in 20pulls

[keen vapor]

guys
What is happening in #pvp-arena

[umbral crown]

No se

[keen vapor]

Si sabes

[umbral crown]

Si sabo?

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

Yes

[umbral crown]

Puede ser

[tropic summit]

what do you mean

[umbral crown]

Ya eres an expert cooking?

[keen vapor]

Slightly above

[umbral crown]

Your new role says it

[keen vapor]

I think

[umbral crown]

But why the dude is still roki

[strong hull]

non monsieur

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

Je sui

[tropic summit]

oh the one with the high sync, was wondering if scarlet blanc rh can still kill rapu at 1.280k+ CP 🤔

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

a full HP one

oh and maxed core at it

[strong hull]

C'est cool.

[tropic summit]

when did we start speaking baguette

[keen vapor]

Since Ryo-senpai is MA

[keen vapor]

: Birbpunzel Christ:

[strong hull]

@keen vapor

[umbral crown]

[strong hull]

Get it done 🫵

[keen vapor]

:Hu tao why:

[umbral crown]

Bad MA

[strong hull]

He gonna get whiped

[umbral crown]

Si

[tropic summit]

Who?

[strong hull]

s'il ne travaille pas

[tropic summit]

don't force me to read these words with french accent

i'd like to speak french only when i've to order a crossaint

[strong hull]

Vive le frenche

[keen vapor]

Tao

[strong hull]

You better thankful that i didnt speak vietnamese

[keen vapor]

Quaso

[strong hull]

[umbral crown]

il est fou

[strong hull]

Nope

[keen vapor]

loading

[strong hull]

Get it done 🫵

ill buy some milk

[tropic summit]

that's a lot of teams

already making echo work overtime

[keen vapor]

Jesus Christ Himeno and 269 synch, my worst nightmare

[strong hull]

you know the drill

jorry_laugh

[keen vapor]

But I'm higher synch in less time

[strong hull]

Feel it

The brick

[keen vapor]

Noah is on the second image CP is doomed

[keen vapor]

Why it has Cinderella core 5 and no Red Hood

[strong hull]

Feel it

No scarlet either

[keen vapor]

Just auto team please

[strong hull]

GET IT DONE 🫵

[keen vapor]

[gaunt cypress]

I remember the time where I speak my native language wtih someone in this channel and suddenly mod came and told me to speak English

[strong hull]

ill build you a mica team

👍

[keen vapor]

[tropic summit]

🤨

[strong hull]

If your local friend doesnt know much english and really need a hand then you can use ur native language to help. Unless its just a normal chat then you should avoid using it too much since english mostly used here

[keen vapor]

Third team auto

[strong hull]

[keen vapor]

Eat it

[strong hull]

Team 2 almost the same as my default

[keen vapor]

Almost

[strong hull]

I used pepper stead

Lol

[keen vapor]

Nah, we Liter

[strong hull]

Also team 1

ill put Sanis in later then

[keen vapor]

What, is stall team

[strong hull]

She wip

[gaunt cypress]

yah i was helping him build team

[keen vapor]

I use stall with SBS

[strong hull]

Alr as promised heres your mica team

[keen vapor]

[tropic summit]

🤔

[strong hull]

Oh nvm you dont have 2B🚮

[keen vapor]

[umbral crown]

Problemas de habilidad

[tropic summit]

the mica team will remain a secret

[keen vapor]

Skill issues

[umbral crown]

[raven spoke]

that’s not true

[strong hull]

Scarlet Mica Blanc Centi jackal

[keen vapor]

[strong hull]

Mica diesel xlud guillotine modernia

Was thinking about Tove but 🚮

[keen vapor]

Well, it will be a reason to use my semi invested Ludmilla

[strong hull]

[tropic summit]

what is there to expect out of that team? 🤔

[strong hull]

Mica

[tropic summit]

[strong hull]

[cedar orbit]

Mica will cleanse all your debuffs

[strong hull]

The holy infinity rail 4 MG dream team

👍

[tropic summit]

so emma wild wet dream i guess

[valid fern]

help im getting gemmed

[tropic summit]

defense held for 3 attempts, that was a good defense 🫡

wait... the harley dude below tho another 2 gems

that ch2 spot must be hot as hell

[tribal tartan]

Gem back

Pvp who do I spend my skill books on

[tropic summit]

that mica team tho

[keen vapor]

Alice

[tribal tartan]

Alice is so expensive tho

[keen vapor]

Exactly why you should focus

[tribal tartan]

No gold mats

[keen vapor]

💤

[tropic summit]

@keen vapor your kitchen getting cold, noone asking for teams because they all busy getting frozen by an ice dragon

[keen vapor]

That means I have to cook solo raid now

[tropic summit]

oh you been cooking those too

[final wedge]

this is ur chance to drain dat whel....keep going

[tropic summit]

imagine if you could earn gems spent by other players on unsuccessful attacks on you 🤔

[final wedge]

drain him before he realize its a stupid things to do

[valid fern]

they attack me again. but since one figured out my defense, I'll just let him have C2 and I take C3 guy who can't figure out my def lol. we'll see if he tries again.

seems ive made them open up their core boxes too. they're like +15 sync levels above me now lol

[tropic summit]

hurting themselves for that extra 300 gems

ego sure is a bad beast

[covert lintel]

28%

[vapid lake]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XliISCN8xs

[keen vapor]

.... Oh right, that's possible

[vapid lake]

Echo ur stalker technique makes me feel dirty

[covert lintel]

i think my emi can't 1hit that team

[hidden wind]

This worked! Thank you so much.

[umbral crown]

Pvp, not pve

[umbral crown]

Rakuen cooking

[umbral crown]

[kindred tinsel]

[cedar orbit]

Emilia burst never works, I use Cinderella to facetank Emilia buffed by RH and Blanc

[tribal tartan]

Wow name is back

[umbral crown]

Is it

[tribal tartan]

Yes?

[covert lintel]

help me beat it

[umbral crown]

🎈

[umbral crown]

Si?

[tropic summit]

@umbral crown ideas? I feel like my opinion will be useless because i've no idea what happens at those synch levels

for reference it was this

[umbral crown]

Whats the cp for team 3?

[keen vapor]

Rosy lower synch than me

[tropic summit]

t2 and t3 would be in deficit compared to Rakuen's t1

14,2% deficit against t2 if cp is 1071k
16,7% deficit against t3 if cp is 1071k

t2 is the one "possible", but it has le 4RL stallerino

@keen vapor if you're bored (and have time) ^

[keen vapor]

I'm doing overclock :deadge: also not experienced enough with Rosy nukes

[tropic summit]

naruhodo

[tropic summit]

up to 25 or you maldin'?

[keen vapor]

25, not malding with SG lock

I LOST LITER

[tropic summit]

rewind

or cope with dorothy/volume/dkw/rouge?

[keen vapor]

Nah, I'm swapping Liter Maid Privaty to D Wife Ein this run hasn't ended

THE SHOTGUN REQUIREMENT

Goodbye Bunny Alice, Hi Mary

[brittle hill]

Team 2. His Noah vs yours so Noah, Noise, Summer Anis, Biscuit, Redhood. Your burst should come after his. Team 3 wins as long as blanc indoms so idk about team 1

[kindred tinsel]

thanks for this curious is rh here more for off dps or burst gen? teams 3 is gonna be missing a burst 1 guessing rumani would be the expected sub and yeah team 1 is pretty meh scarlet isnt even properly invested thinking of just doing a cindy team since shes more invested

[brittle hill]

So what happens here is that Summer anis may die during burst, but then RH is still kicking. It's mostly banking that your Noise and Noah have tempering cube. I have SR0 doll on Noah, and SR 10 doll on Noise

A fast burst team clears it and they'll have to reap the repercussions

test it on rookie arena if you still have tries left

oh and SR15 redhood . I was just joking with this suggestion

because this shouldn't even be winnable but it is. He's a 4RL or something

[limber patrol]

what...

[brittle hill]

I have a slow burst gen. Hard to show without a video

[limber patrol]

oh so you survive and burst after Noah's immunity goes away?

[brittle hill]

yes, they're all alive

[tropic summit]

that has to be a very bad scarlet

[brittle hill]

you think

[kindred tinsel]

yeah this team can work couldn't get many good examples against teams with higher rl without too much deficit. i recorded one vid though

still need more testing i didnt use tempest here ( dont have yet ) with higher cp teams anis does die before burst

[limber patrol]

not fair testing because enemy was never going to burst lol

you could have won without burst that one

[brittle hill]

ehh. It's not just Scarlet. I went up against Noise, Noah, Redhood, Emelia, Jackal. His redhood took out Sanis immediately before I burst. That's why I recommended this wild card

[vale crater]

Is there a way to be good at PVP without the need for that Burst Cube? I feel like it can be extremely unfair at times and whales can just bust you down even with a much lower level sync squad just cause they all have near max core Nikkes with Burst cubes.

[summer copper]

if you whale hard enough and get a wide enough cp gap then you won't need burst cube as much

[limber patrol]

I don't use burst cube lol, it barely makes a difference rarely

depends more on your characters

and team building

[kindred tinsel]

Yeah rh is a good backup. i do feel like I'm investing most of my pvp units into one team is weakening the others. Still I’m going to keep testing the idea you suggested for a while

[vale crater]

well the only ones I lost to were those with whale-level nikke cores.

[limber patrol]

look, even if I gave burst cube lvl 7 to every nikke, it wouldn't matter. They all would burst at the same time (3RL)

[vale crater]

but also when they burst faster than me. Or maybe my team may need work but honestly, with so many combinations it's almost impossible to get a sure win combination

[limber patrol]

because there isn't?

Unless you have so much combat power

and get their stats reduced by 90% because of deficit (stat penalty)

[vale crater]

Well if I'm honest -- even now I still don't get how their pvp works because while I'm at 415 level sync, I could still by a chance lose to squads that are like 380-385 level sync

which felt like something isn't right and I can't quite place it what

[brittle hill]

It's because I went all in overtime. Still working on it myself
Noah 4/7/7
Noise 9/9/10
Biscuit 4/8/9

[quick lake]

Bad team building

[limber patrol]

you can ask for team building help here, surely someone has the time to help you

[vale crater]

What quantifies good team building though? Any examples?

[quick lake]

Thats.. alot of skill levels

[brittle hill]

lol yeah pve is screwed kinda. I'm at 22-31 hard or something

[quick lake]

Its more of knowing what teams counter other teams. pvp is just an advanced rock paper scissors

[kindred tinsel]

i thought every does about 7/7/7 max for pvp units

[quick lake]

Noah investment is alright, abit of an overkill. Defence up too marginals to make any inpact

[vale crater]

yeah but again, unless I have an answer to every team's combination it's just not gonna happen

[quick lake]

Pvp god Keripo put Noah at 444

[limber patrol]

just learn the basics and you will see when team good or bad agaisnt enemy team

[quick lake]

Hmm its more about what kind of teams counter other teams.

[brittle hill]

constantly recovers 1.21% of caster's final max hp for every 1 second
Oh that's fire. I have no idea how much that does for biscuit

[vale crater]

pretty vague answer but I suppose I need to trial and error my way out of it

since again, different pvp rival will have a different squad for sure

I do know that if I encounter a noah team it's a game of chance before she uses that annoying shield

and if she has the shield on, it's mostly game over for me

[tropic summit]

when you've 5 minutes read this, you'll have a far clearer picture of pvp

https://nikke.gg/arena-mechanics/

[quick lake]

Like for eg 3RL Noah counters most 2.5-3RL Scarlet/Cindy comps

Blanc indom-ed SAnis can be countered by 2RL Scarlet (not reliably Cindy), or u can do a 3RL Rosanna Snipe, or mirror comp

Blanc-Indom Emilia can be countered by Rosanna Snipe, or +1 RL Noah, probably have a biscuit to survive to burst

[tropic summit]

i also suggest reading on at least the high tier nikkes in this guide @vale crater :

https://tinyurl.com/nikke-pvp-tierlist

[kindred tinsel]

@brittle hill could you test something for me instead of rh we put rin

[vale crater]

Ok. Will give them a read.

[brittle hill]

Rei? Who's rin

k let me try

[kindred tinsel]

[brittle hill]

nope, RH is the whole plan because her cover damage is increased from doll

[quick lake]

3RL Noah teams, Noah invuln is procced at 3.82RL, and only 2-2.5RL comps can nuke before Noah procs (at 3.16 and 3.66RL respectively). And cause cindy attacks sequentially, Cindy nuke comps are not reliable against Noah. Its these kind of team building etc

[limber patrol]

why tool and people don't use decimals on RL?

first time I hear about 3.82RL 3.16 3.66 etc

[quick lake]

Only more relevant in Noah case tbh. Cause u just need to burst before Noah procs her shield

[tropic summit]

sir, the tool does

[limber patrol]

mine doesn't

[tropic summit]

skill issue

[quick lake]

All pinned

[limber patrol]

I'm using the one pinned...

and it looks like this

[quick lake]

No gatekeeping in pvp community

There’s 2 different versions

[limber patrol]

delete the old one

[quick lake]

https://tinyurl.com/gatrix-burst-calc

[quick lake]

Just memorise this

[kindred tinsel]

pain why doll mats are hard to farm more of

[quick lake]

[brittle hill]

I had to start from purple 0 because I didn't know any better

[tropic summit]

because life sucks and it's filled of pain

[limber patrol]

at least we don't need treasure for pvp

[quick lake]

Laplace Treasure

[tropic summit]

laplace would like to have a word with you

[limber patrol]

I wouldn't

[tropic summit]

and for the reeeeeeeally into it ppl, viper+

[quick lake]

Laplace quite a monster in pvp if invested

[limber patrol]

I don't see people using Laplace...

[tropic summit]

[quick lake]

Yet

[tropic summit]

the lad is about to find a sad reality eventually

[limber patrol]

why Laplace usable?

[tropic summit]

the emilia laplace splashes on charged and atk OL

[limber patrol]

good burst gen?

[quick lake]

Laplace is highest off-DPS attacker i think, and u can run 17% cs to make her a battery. AND destroys Elec weak nikke which is half the pvp roster

[tropic summit]

i've seen the horrors of those 2 combined

[limber patrol]

I don't need that 😭

[tropic summit]

also laplace being iron eats electric alive

[limber patrol]

receives less damage? or just deals more damage as usual?

[quick lake]

Can deal almost double dmg

[tropic summit]

more dmg only, there's no reduced elem. dmg in pvp

[quick lake]

Imagine a 4x ele 4atk 4x cs

[limber patrol]

example of a good Laplace team and the RL rating?

[tropic summit]

it's quick common in noah noise biscuit s.anis teams

[kindred tinsel]

wait a min did you actually use rei

[quick lake]

Laplace fits in anyway as well

[tropic summit]

else blanc rh emi laplace jackal to kill p2

[brittle hill]

https://tenor.com/view/doesnt-matter-dont-matter-idc-owlman-earth3-gif-14630439

I thought about it. But I already have a 2B so this changes nothing

[tropic summit]

then again, it's best you haven't seen it, although in CA it will be even more common due to lack of options

[brittle hill]

2B who's 10/10/10, dolled compared to Rei who doesn't have any overload

[limber patrol]

ok what does each blue stuff mean?

[quick lake]

It tells you in RL “time”, when does each action happen

[limber patrol]

so burst 3 is the real full burst?

[quick lake]

So you’ll burst at 3RL
Burst 1 procced at 3.32 … so on

[quick lake]

3RL is when ur bar is full, and then u start entering B1->B2->B3

Cause there’s some time delay to actually enter the burst stages and proc skills

So a 3RL team scarlet for eg, only nukes at 4.16RL time

So a similar 3RL Noah will be invuln at the 3.82 mark. So scarlet wipe completely blocked

[drifting hazel]

Rip, that’s why I skip Noah comps that have good burst gen

[tropic summit]

having noah doesn't mean you win the match tho, there are counters to that

[drifting hazel]

I don’t think I have any counter team built for most of the Noah comps I see in my bracket

[limber patrol]

is this team good for rookie arena?

[tropic summit]

cindy in p1? also 2 SGs to feed scarlet-jackal 2RL? those are the first things that come to mind

[limber patrol]

she got highest attack :D

[tropic summit]

cindy in p1 due to the decoy counts as hitting 3 nikke instead of 2

e.g a 3RL may aswell become a 2RL

[drifting hazel]

Plus you don’t want her to die first

[limber patrol]

sharing dmg with Jackal...

[drifting hazel]

P1 is a death wish

[drifting hazel]

If they have better comp that’s pointless

Only time you want your bursting B3 in P1 is OG Scarlet

[limber patrol]

who do I put on P1 then? Jackal?

[drifting hazel]

Nah make a new team

[tropic summit]

post your box

let's see what you could dish out at least

[limber patrol]

is it worth making the team 2RL but missing out on SAnis?

[tropic summit]

s.anis needs a stall team to get going

[limber patrol]

it's for Rookie Arena, I was using her to support Cinderella's nuke

[tropic summit]

it doesn't support her cinderella nuke, only autos

[limber patrol]

what...

[tropic summit]

her buff applies post nuke

it's the same with scarlet and pmaid, it won't buff the nuke

as for ein, for example, it won't buff her nuke, but it buffs her feathers post nuke

[limber patrol]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1061443977603186698.gif?size=48&quality=lossless&name=AINTNOWAY

[tropic summit]

yep, i found out about that in kinda similar fashion as i used to run pmaid and scarlet with occasional s.anis

[limber patrol]

so SAnis TRASH for pvp?

[tropic summit]

no s.anis is great for pvp, just not in those setups

[limber patrol]

but she doesn't support?

[tropic summit]

a typical s.anis is either 3RL or 4RL stall team

she CAN support on stall teams, but she can't support nukes

[limber patrol]

why her buff doesn't activate for nukes?

[tropic summit]

it's in the description

[kindred tinsel]

does s.anis help scarlet or since its a nuke its the same?

[drifting hazel]

Class types don’t really mean jack in this game

[tropic summit]

entering full burst is different than casting B3 burst

hence why it won't boost nukes, but only anything afterward

[tropic summit]

yep, scarlet nuke is unaffected by s.anis buff

same goes for cindy nuke, pmaid nuke, ein nuke...

[kindred tinsel]

my t1 has been bricked this whole time

[tropic summit]

you wanna burst nukes, you'll want RH, blanc, liter or any other atk% (poli, xmica, crown etc)

[limber patrol]

that's behemothshit

[tropic summit]

it is what it is

[limber patrol]

should I make the team 2RL with Rumani, or keep 3RL with Noise/Liter?

[tropic summit]

make a team that is the least easy to counter

[keen vapor]

Rip sinergies

[tropic summit]

2RL is generally easier to defend with, but it depends on how silly your rookies opponent are

if they deploy a 2RL noah and your nuke is a 2RL, that's it

[limber patrol]

I only lose to Noah

[tropic summit]

consider your rookie defense based on those attacking you, then make a comp that is likely able to hold

in my own personal experience, there's a lad attacking me every day 5 times in a row, the first time they generally lose because they don't adapt, then correct their shot and the defense fails

[limber patrol]

why does SAnis have lower burst gen that Scarlet?

[tropic summit]

but that's rookie anyway

[tropic summit]

non clip SG against AR, albeit scarlet has higher burst gen than other rifles

i'm gonna leave this here in case it's gonna be needed

[keen vapor]

[drifting hazel]

Why does the guy on the left looking like Steven Hawkins

[limber patrol]

is less than 2RL possible?

[swift mango]

If she doesn't die before buff she will. Maybe not one shot but still 6 second later. Ofc also, you could bring Crown or Maxwell p5 to buff her like I suggested. Your Emilia alone is enough for 3rl. Doesn't need Anis to help with Regen. Ofc you don't want to be in deficit. Your Crown should be maxed out no? Much better CP than Anis.

[quick lake]

Possible kinda meme

[limber patrol]

can I see?

[quick lake]

One such example cause of opponent’s cindy in P1
#pvp-arena message

[unkempt meteor]

at what point is power more important than team composition?

514k cp campaign team vs 277k cp pvp team

[quick lake]

Both are impt. Need CP so that u’re not in deficit

pvp units should be somewhat invested ideally. OLs for key units

[kindred tinsel]

yeah youll prob could get aways facing auto teams but really if your lower cp those teams hit harder and not enough health to compensate for it heres a chart for your team

[unkempt meteor]

oh, thats a very high penalty

if im using noise, scarlet, noah, rapunzel, jackal. Should I replace any for blanc or maybe cindy? since my campaign teams are way more invested

[quick lake]

That team should be fine

[glacial lion]

naga carry

[unkempt meteor]

cindy is 118k vs 78k scarlet. Blanc is 86k vs noah 45k power

i dont have the resources to invest in pvp

[quick lake]

Why is ur scarlet unprotected P1

[glacial lion]

sacc

still wait for xanne banner rerun

[quick lake]

Double sacc

[glacial palm]

Help with first 2 team please

[quick lake]

T1: 2RL Noah Cindy
T2: 3RL Blanc SAnis Defender + Biscuit

[glacial palm]

already beat the guy in 8th

no need to mald the 9th person

[covert lintel]

the problem is blanc need to be used in T1 to win, because xanne isn't enough
#pvp-arena message

[limber patrol]

Wth

[spiral onyx]

Team comp matters if both teams are able to survive up until B3.
A 277k CP team will likely not even make it to B1 against a 514k CP, so team comp there is completely irrelevant

[keen vapor]

@spiral onyx You gonna do a Mica team for raid?

[glacial lion]

team that look stupid will work if you know what to do with them

[strong hull]

[spiral onyx]

yeah, I usually pair XMica with ||deez nuts||

[swift mango]

XAnne is just one buff. Nothing in this game can survive a 3 buff Emilia. If they could survive it then nothing you could do to win.

I assumed you did 2rl Scarlet with xAnne. That's much weaker than a 3 buff Emilia.

[tribal tartan]

Azu!

[orchid birch]

I was pointed here for arena team

[tribal tartan]

That’s a lot of units

@calm gull I see flora

[calm gull]

[tribal tartan]

It’s either you or thien

[mighty haven]

where are you placed rn?

[orchid birch]

I’m unranked

have not touched it

[mighty haven]

.....

why is your Ein not synced @orchid birch

at veryt leaast, get rid of Trony/Epinel first

[tribal tartan]

Don’t bulli my guild leader!

[mighty haven]

me no bulli, just seeing Ein next to an R doll is sadness

[orchid birch]

uhh idk who to keep and who to remove

[mighty haven]

just those I listed will be enough for now

[swift mango]

Moran+Pepper+Viper+Anis+Cindy (3rl)

XMaiden+Blanc+RH+Noir+Rumani (3rl)

Auto team

[tribal tartan]

Do you know what’s your rank in rookie?

[tribal tartan]

MA when

You’re always pvping here, I see you

[orchid birch]

what’s the rl part

[mighty haven]

Rocket Launcher shots needed to fill burst gauge

[swift mango]

RL is speed of the team bursting. Low means faster.

[orchid birch]

I don’t get it

[tribal tartan]

It’s okay, you don’t need to

[swift mango]

Longer version then

RL = Rocket launcher

3RL = 3 rocket launcher

3rl team = Team bursting in 3 Rocket Launcher shoots

[orchid birch]

oh

[swift mango]

That only count RL shoot at normal condition without additional Charge speed involved.

[orchid birch]

so third team just slap smth together?

[swift mango]

Auto team to CP press them.

[orchid birch]

ic

[swift mango]

If you want I could try making 3 slower team but 3rl is the common speed.

You don't have enough burst Regen units for 3.

[orchid birch]

is that um

for def or atk?

[mighty haven]

Def

Attack will depend on who you fight, and you only need to build 2 teams based on opponent to win

[orchid birch]

what’s attack then

[mighty haven]

that will vary

[orchid birch]

hmm

general answer?

[mighty haven]

2RL Scar/Ein + Jackal
2RL Nuke with Cindy
3-4RL sustain with Biscuit/Noah etc
3.5RL Scar/La+

It will vary

[tribal tartan]

Posting the enemy here will let someone build a team against it

Lots of very specific counters

[swift mango]

3rd team you could go

Tia+Alice+Grave+Liter+Sugar (4rl)

[mighty haven]

What should they build once Ein is synced, since they have a Scarlet-like nuke

[tribal tartan]

Need investment no?

[mighty haven]

Ein? 4/4/4 enough for PvP, then again 7/4/7 for general min PvE

Azu needs to use her more

[tribal tartan]

At least cc and mc will be very far away

[mighty haven]

not even that, Ein will help carry campaign normal stages > Cindy, guess Xlud sub for Glasses

[swift mango]

I don't think it's better though....

[mighty haven]

Ein better for nuke

[swift mango]

Well, if they really want to they could do a 3.5 RL with

Ein+Blanc+RH+Noir+Anis

[mighty haven]

If Noir swap out with Xmaiden, 3RL?

[swift mango]

4rl

[mighty haven]

3.5RL probably fast enough at that sync

[covert lintel]

like this?
i don't feel like i can win

[swift mango]

I mean

Blanc+Emi+RH+Biscuit+Crown

[tribal tartan]

I think you lose

[swift mango]

Check it's CP

[mighty haven]

Lose, over the 15.4% threshold

[covert lintel]

didn't i say blanc used in T1?

[swift mango]

I was replying to your pic with this team but Anis at p5 instead.

I guess Nvm then

[covert lintel]

that huge
no wonder my team get wiped without the opponent enter a full burst

[mighty haven]

yeah, its like fighting a stage

[swift mango]

I mean you would lose with that team even at below CP gap

But you won't be killed before they entering full burst though, since you have biscuit.

[covert lintel]

nah, i'm talking about my previous battle's video

[swift mango]

Just do your CP/theirs before you fight. Try to get above 0.846

[digital fractal]

I think I might have to move some units around, this time my burst came out too slow and noise died

[covert lintel]

well, defeating level way above 40 is impossible after all, especially when opponent 's nikke core are more than mine

[jagged mesa]

can someone help me set up my pvp squad(s)?

[mighty haven]

have you got a screenshot of all your nikkes, widescreen if possible please

[tiny scroll]

Help vs these teams please.

[jagged mesa]

err hold on

currently this is my rookie arena setup, im trying to read the nikke.gg guides and absorb it

[mighty haven]

[rich quail]

Sync level?

That doesn’t matter nearly as much as cp

[mighty haven]

gimme like... a few mins

[jagged mesa]

take all the time you need, i appreciate it

im still trying to read through the guides too anyways

[swift mango]

Cross up some comments and you should have seen it. 482. Opponent is 529.

[mighty haven]

Bay - XMaiden - Liter - Tia - Jackal
Nero - Naga - Noir - Rouge - Anis
Auto Team for T3

[jagged mesa]

ooh can you explain the liter - tia - jackal lineup

[mighty haven]

Boost Liter boost atk, and you dont want Tia bursting

[swift mango]

I would put Liter in P1 to get more feed. And keep bay alive.

[rich quail]

I saw his opp cp, and that was too much to overcome

But there are many times where people fight 30-50 sync levels below their opponent, but they beat higher sync opponents because their units are more invested than opponents

[jagged mesa]

i see. the other thing i was wondering is, if most people set the strongest teams first wouldnt i want to set my stronger teams for 2 and 3 to win 2/3 rounds?

[rich quail]

Because cp was within striking distance

[jagged mesa]

or am i fundamentally misunderstanding pvp

[mighty haven]

No, let them figure out if they want to fight you

[jagged mesa]

ah

should i use the same as a general attack team as well?

[mighty haven]

Not neccesarily, you'll generally make attack teams based on what others are fielding

[swift mango]

Yeah. He could try moving units around. He could win if he could get to 1080k or something. But I guess he couldn't surpass that so he gave up.

[jagged mesa]

got it. what about rookie arena/single team setups?

[rich quail]

Yeah, he needs more cp for sure. Cannot win with that cp deficit

But sync level difference does not reflect investment in pvp, cp definitely does

[mighty haven]

You can use the tweaked XMaiden team

[jagged mesa]

meaning the one you provided above? thanks!

[mighty haven]

[rich quail]

[swift mango]

And uhm, T2 doesn't have a B1.

[mighty haven]

fixed, still 3.5RL

[jagged mesa]

oh shit i read that as i went into an sp fight XD

uhhh ok then my no-b1 t2 won

[swift mango]

Well, starting with 80 level different they could win with no invested units.

With 200 level difference, I assume they would win with a blue nikke team.

[rich quail]

I wouldn’t say that because I have seen a match where a person used some pvp units in a team, but they left a loophole that was exploitable

It was 92 levels above

[jagged mesa]

were these made with positions in mind? i was thinking of hiding my burst 1 in the middle for my auto t3 for example

[rich quail]

The opponent just left the door open because those pvp units were not solid

[swift mango]

Bad team + no investment. Whale privilege combo.

After one loss they will just switch the team and you lose

[rich quail]

Yeah I have seen some whales who don’t know lineups

But yes all they need to do is cp gap

[mighty haven]

positions....though you may want to change T1 to -> Tia/Bay/Liter/XMaiden/Jackal

[tribal tartan]

I see you’re here

[swift mango]

I would just use my 3 strongest CP squad in Arena if I were 80+ level difference.

No need to worry a thing.

[jagged mesa]

to ensure tia dies first(well 50/50 anyways)? otherwise tia would burst...

[rich quail]

Yeah that would be the smart thing to do

[tribal tartan]

How long till I can see the top

[jagged mesa]

whats the issue with tia bursting anyways? i thought it's more or less a free b1 shield

[rich quail]

How long have you been playing?

[tribal tartan]

2 week old alt about

[swift mango]

I think you are just too slow to level up comparing to the rest of your bracket if you are at that rank. Just give up.

[rich quail]

Invest and u should be fine

[tribal tartan]

I’m too poor for this 😔

[rich quail]

Nah

I was like u in June

[swift mango]

2 week old at ch16 is slow right now, and idk if you are doing Hard mode or not. If you could keep up with grit for 6 months and play optimally you could get to top 10 above I guess

[rich quail]

@tribal tartan U can do it. Just keep building units and cp, ask for investment and lineup advice here, keep learning

[tribal tartan]

Nothing I can do about it, no good units

[unkempt kestrel]

Do you guys OL units like centi/rumani for CP boost?

That’s my next step and I wanna double check with yall

[tribal tartan]

I’ll start doing so, pvp is so hard tho

[graceful grotto]

they're not my priority but yeah i do OL pvp unit for CP boost

i would do for Noah / Jackal / Biscuit / Noise first

[rich quail]

U get the units eventually

But it takes being smart with gems, materials and being consistent with dailies

[tribal tartan]

SR0?

[unkempt kestrel]

I only have biscuit rip

[graceful grotto]

wdym?

dolls?

[tribal tartan]

Yeah

[graceful grotto]

those 4 are at SR 5

[unkempt kestrel]

I think SR5 is better

[tribal tartan]

It’s a battle against my laziness sometimes

[rich quail]

SR0 is a little dicey
I would build dolls from R0

[unkempt kestrel]

Or I stay at 15 rare rn

[rich quail]

Success keeps u from being lazy

Just keep at it

[tribal tartan]

Surely the whales in my sp will give up

[rich quail]

Don’t worry about what u can’t control

Whales are always there

[swift mango]

So tip for fast CP rushing in first 18 chapters.

Do your campaign, lost relic, hard mode, tower. Everything available at your level and everyday. Non stop and no life.

If stuck at one stage, see if you could move to left or right to pass it. If you couldn't you spend just one of the 9 rent units chance to pass it.

When you get higher level, come back to clear the stages you left with you main squad without rent units.

You could likely clear to ch16 in one week with just a random squad.

You could make another account to try again.

[tribal tartan]

I already do that, I’m behind 3 stages at most for campaign at most ;;;

[swift mango]

Hard mode as well.

3 stage behind is lots in early game unless you are comparing yourself with the top 1.

[tribal tartan]

I’m first in hard mode ranking for my subserver

Most of em aren’t really trying tho

[swift mango]

Doesn't mean much, comparing yourself with the SP arena standard

Your servers could be death.

So it's pointless comparing with them. Compare with the top 20 in SP at less.

Ideally with c10.

[unkempt kestrel]

What do u mean when u say compare?

[swift mango]

Compare your progression in Campaign normal and hard mode. To see if you are keeping up with the standard.

Comparing with those of SP Arena bracket, top 10.

Top 1 could be whale but no way top 10 is unless you are very unlucky.

Even then, top 20 should be f2p

[unkempt kestrel]

I’m 14 hard 30 normal for campaign

Rank 13 for sp point ranking

F2P no gems

How should I compare for SP?

[swift mango]

Yeah, it should be the normal case.

[swift mango]

Just look at the guys rank above you. Click on their avatar and check their campaign progression...

[unkempt kestrel]

Ohh

Got it

[tropic summit]

did you record it? it seems like we're missing some details here 🤔

[digital fractal]

😦 I'll record tmr I promise

[tropic summit]

it makes it easier to see where to correct the comp

[mighty haven]

[tropic summit]

joey not even 3rd

the spite is still in place i see 🤔

[mighty haven]

That's coz they refuse to settle for anything but 1st place

[tropic summit]

the greed is something else in that bracket

[mighty haven]

Xyur is strong tho, easily beat 2B after they tried to sneak in 3rd

Greed, Joey has been whaling levels for like 1.5 months

[tropic summit]

🐳

[mighty haven]

I only just hit 280, and they're 284

[swift mango]

This is my current bracket.

The dude started the season 65 level above me when I had core boxes saved up comparing to nwo when I already emptied. With this speed he will be 80 above me in a month.

No one touching him even with his Cindy p1. Rosy whale had the chance to improve because Rosy hit him I guess but not this guy.

People in my bracket RN could beat the CN dude though. 4 of them, me included. He improved his team building lots after getting beat down occasionally when no one busy to hold their rank and beat each other. Still no investment in Arena units.

[digital fractal]

[drifting hazel]

Can I win this

[graceful grotto]

CP deficit though, that Laplace might nuke your scarlet/Blanc before you burst

[drifting hazel]

That’s what I was wondering

He might have treasure too

[graceful grotto]

He feed you alot with crown and sw tho

That Laplace definitely has fav item ready

[drifting hazel]

That’s what I was thinking too

Just wasn’t sure if I could burst before him

Nah I’d win

[graceful grotto]

Sweet

Did scarlet go near death or not even close?

[tropic summit]

you just won on 15,5% deficit, scar-jack doing their job tho

[drifting hazel]

She was 40%

Remaining

[wary wraith]

Need help against this comp

[quick lake]

Can run a Noah + Biscuit 3.5-4RL comp

Just need to stall out and wait for Emilia to burst and block with Noah

[keen vapor]

How to 3.5

[lunar dirge]

Having 1,6m CP at 381 is low af, if there was someone who had big investments into PvP, he might've been pushed from c1(my case is an exception )

[keen vapor]

I don't trust Tia she's isn't overloaded for me either

[quick lake]

Idk just slot something in

[keen vapor]

But he doesn't knows

[quick lake]

Something like this?

Not v sure about Emilia delay, but 3RL with Tia might work?

[keen vapor]

WHY SCARLET

[quick lake]

Something like this probably

Okay the order kinda whack

[keen vapor]

Mmmmm maybe

[rich quail]

[keen vapor]

: Kanna sip:

[wicked horizon]

Which of these teams seems best?
Noah, Centi, SAnis, Biscuit, Jackal - 2RL, 210k CP
Noah, Noise, SAnis, Biscuit, Rapunzel - 3RL, 197k CP
Scarlet, Blanc, Centi, Rumani, Jackal - 2.5RL (but 2RL with enemies hitting Jackal link at least a bit?), 211k CP
Noise, Jackal, Cinderella, Centi, Rumani - 2.5RL (but 2RL with enemies hitting Jackal link at least a bit?), 182k CP
Crown, Naga, Mdoernia, SAnis, Alice - inf RL, 330k CP

(Also, which would seem best, if CP were not different?)

[mighty haven]

[mighty haven]

Scar/Jack with Blanc should be 2RL if Centi/Rumani/Jackal all have Quantums (min L4 obv) on, though very expensive for SPA since you're allocating 3 burst gens

Have you got a somewhat invested Ein lying about?

[wicked horizon]

idk

I am Einless.

Only unit I skipped that I regret. Was out of gems after summer, I think. Been on wishlist ever since, never came home.

[quick lake]

For rookie? or a mix of SP Arena teams as well

[wicked horizon]

I'm just trying to gauge reactions.

Like, assume the units won't be needed elsewhere. So I guess Rookie in that sense.

I'm actually trying to put a somewhat decent team together for Rookie arena for the hell of it, but I'm having real trouble finding that balance between CP and burst speed.
Last team that has non-abysmal CP, but it's not even 3RL technically.

[quick lake]

Generally for Scarlet nuke teams, you'll want at least 1 buffer (and even 2 if opponent is tanky). The standard buffers are RH/Blanc/(xAnne)

Jackal + Cindy doesnt actually have feed!

Feed is unique to scarlet, specially when scarlet paired with Jackal cause more hits on 3 linked units means more s2 activated for scarlet

[wicked horizon]

Doesn't Jackal's passive triggering also cause some burst gen?

It's just doubled because Jackal also activates Scarlet's passive, which also gives burst gen?

[quick lake]

I doubt so. Can get @swift mango @keen vapor to confirm

[wicked horizon]

Despite not being a damaging skill, Jackal’s Skill 1 generates energy

[keen vapor]

Yes, skill 1

[keen vapor]

I think

Scarlet jackal is our strongest combo for 2 consecutive years for a reason

[quick lake]

Never have I seen burst gen numbers attributed to jackal's s1

[wicked horizon]

https://nikke.gg/characters/jackal/

[keen vapor]

@coarse lake knows

[wicked horizon]

Has some math

[quick lake]

learned something new today

[gaunt cypress]

Noah Biscuit Sanis RH Rapunzel

[keen vapor]

Huh

[gaunt cypress]

[keen vapor]

[lunar dirge]

Yep, jackal reaplies damage taken by her, which will provide both scarlet's s2 and jackal's s1, which provides 0,45% and 3,55% burst gen respectively

[wary wraith]

[swift mango]

Idk how anyone can have big investment much more than me at my current level and not a whale. At best, they could have 1350k power. Yeah, could beat that dude if tried hard enough but he will just auto attack you down with his campaign teams anyway.

[gaunt cypress]

what the result ?

[wary wraith]

logging in now, give me a moment

[lunar dirge]

Harass him till he starts whaling harder

[graceful grotto]

Maybe if he put his PvE team he might have better chance to CP deficit more

[swift mango]

Rosy wasted her 3500 gem to beat a similar whale down just so they improved their team power. No thanks. My box is no where as strong as Rosy for Arena.

At his level I would be auto attack even without deficit. If not using biscuit+defender or Moran anyway.

[swift mango]

It's where jackal feed chart coming from ....

[quick lake]

[wary wraith]

lost, couldn't delay long enough and still got nuked by emilia

[gaunt cypress]

did you record it ?

[wary wraith]

nope

[gaunt cypress]

brooo

[wary wraith]

all i saw was biscuit died before burst and then RIP

[gaunt cypress]

and noah doesnt block emi nuke ?

[wary wraith]

nope

still got nuked

maybe need to go even slower?

[gaunt cypress]

thats 4RL

[gaunt cypress]

blanc bisc sanis rh jack, try this

[wary wraith]

wont biscuit get the invul instead?

[gaunt cypress]

oh yeah forgot to change

bl sa bis r j

[wary wraith]

o7

[gaunt cypress]

dont forget to record your reesult

[wary wraith]

too late, i couldnt turn it on on time

okay even after i switched position, my biscuit still managed to go lower HP than Sanis and got the invul instead

[gaunt cypress]

what bout rh hp ?

[wary wraith]

i cant rmb if she's lower or higher than sanis, might be higher

i think my sanis might be a little bit too tanky huh

hmm probably cos stronger cube

and 1 more core

[gaunt cypress]

I have no idea what you did wrong if you dont record it.

[wary wraith]

let me change cube

[gaunt cypress]

how much your emi ammo ? more than 10 ?

[wary wraith]

rip i started recording 10 secs too late

[gaunt cypress]

blanc emi rh bisc jack
emi blanc crown rh jack

[wary wraith]

Emilia? she has 14

i only have 1 more try for the day

[gaunt cypress]

try that if you still have free attempt

[wary wraith]

so which one do i try

actually i'll try the 2nd one

[gaunt cypress]

let see emi hp and rh hp first

[wary wraith]

i rmb trying the 1st one last time and lost before

[gaunt cypress]

what your lvl ? its not on deficit right ?

[wary wraith]

albeit that wasn't with jackal but centi

slight deficit but not big

[gaunt cypress]

brooooooo

[wary wraith]

970k

bro it's only slight deficit

[gaunt cypress]

16% ?

[wary wraith]

it's like 4-5% max

[gaunt cypress]

oh i thought it pass 15,41%

[wary wraith]

i wouldn't even try if i'm that far off

[gaunt cypress]

what happen with this comp ?

[wary wraith]

it lost but it was like last week

[gaunt cypress]

your emi cant nuke entire team ?

[wary wraith]

forgot, might be that

how do you calculate deficit again, enemy or my cp as denomination?

[gaunt cypress]

If you have 14 ammo on emi, that should be enough to reduce your opponent's remaining HP

[gaunt cypress]

1 - (Lower CP team / Higher CP team)

[wary wraith]

so ~4.36%

i dont rmb, do i switch centi or just go with it?

[gaunt cypress]

jack

[swift mango]

If below 15.4 then no stat penalty.

[wary wraith]

ye ik

[swift mango]

So go for it

[gaunt cypress]

does your emi with tthis comp doest die before burst like biscuit before ?

[wary wraith]

i honestly dont rmb

was a week ago

[swift mango]

Could try equipping Vigor or Tempura on Emi if you had problem dying.

[wary wraith]

would it be better idea to switch out quantum cube or doesn't matter?

[gaunt cypress]

thats still 3rl

even you dont use quantu,

[swift mango]

Doesn't mattered in this case.

Could be 2.5rl if Emi and/or Centi has the right CS. Otherwise, still 3rl even without CS.

Quantum doesn't change anything.

[wary wraith]

oh it worked

[gaunt cypress]

which one

[wary wraith]

too bad that was my last try so will climb again tmr kek

[gaunt cypress]

I always keep a record of all my attack so that I can find out later if there are any unusual happens.

[wary wraith]

honestly i don't bother to record, usually i just try and see which comp works and keep using those

[gaunt cypress]

its look like your opps emilia doesnt have 21% CS

[wary wraith]

how to tell?

[gaunt cypress]

If your opponent's emilia has a 21% CS, he should be burst at 2,5RL but its look like 3RL

wait its not, his emi has 21% CS and his noah burst at 2,5rl

[wary wraith]

2.5rl is what time?

[gaunt cypress]

2rl usually at 04:57
2,5rl usually at 04:56
3rl at 04:55

full burst time

[wary wraith]

wtf how do you pause at that exact time, i only able to see immune at 4:55

[gaunt cypress]

use slow mode on your video player

[wary wraith]

nvm i got it too without slow mode

[gaunt cypress]

i wonder what's your emi skill lv ? all 10 ?

[keen vapor]

~~ seven ~~

[lime night]

Wondering if anyone knows whats the best SP arena defense set up possible at them moment? assuming one has all characters more or less maxed and similar CP with others

[keen vapor]

The answer is different if you believe in Mica

[lime night]

i thought X maiden wouldve made some use but thanks that looks cool

[lime night]

havent really seen her anywhere xD

[keen vapor]

Believe

It requires maxed Mica

[lime night]

drake is better than B-soda?

[keen vapor]

Drake buffs on full burst

Very little tbh

[keen vapor]

two 2 RL teams, man I wish

[gaunt cypress]

this is how you counter that :
2 sac , emi/lap/xmaid, blanc, ros
2rl with noah
usual scarlet rh xane comp

[keen vapor]

2 sac?

[gaunt cypress]

you can pair her with scar comp

[gaunt cypress]

1 sac is not enough fill up full burst with that comp

[keen vapor]

[gaunt cypress]

with 2 sac you can get 2rl

[keen vapor]

BLUE ARCHIVE HOW'S THAT EVEN FUN

Sorry I just checked

@rich quail how to 2 sac

[gaunt cypress]

huh really

[coarse lake]

until you can make t1 scar resistant, I wouldn't just straight up try to copy this

I would prob do blanc emi rh biscuit cliprl for t1

[keen vapor]

SR15?

[coarse lake]

any half decent double buff scar beats it

[keen vapor]

Oh, burst 10 you mean

[keen vapor]

This raid took all my mats

[keen vapor]

I don't have Rosanna

[gaunt cypress]

not fun at all

[keen vapor]

Why play

[strong hull]

Aint no way bulul archive

[gaunt cypress]

to lazy to do torment in recent grand assault raid

[keen vapor]

Blue Archive raids

[strong hull]

Can you look after team building? Im bout to read blue lock

[keen vapor]

Fine

[strong hull]

Brilliant.

[keen vapor]

6 man PVP?

[swift mango]

Well, I realized he meant "-,- 2rl with Noah"

(instead of Blanc). Tbf it's still 2RL with Emi.

[kindred tinsel]

[gaunt cypress]

what did you typed earlier ? i havent read it yet

[swift mango]

Just a 6 man team joke lol

[gaunt cypress]

i dont even know that joke

[vapid lake]

[tropic summit]

it is done, how much did it cost?

wait don't remind me

i'd rather forget, probably

[vapid lake]

like 300 blue kits 10 gold kits 40 purples i think? pretty lucky compared to my shit luck with SBS doll

didnt wanna touch SBS doll anymore

[tribal tartan]

Herooooo!!!!!

[vapid lake]

my sbs doll sitting at phase 8 don't wanna touch it anymore

its cursed

[wild badge]

pvp is tough this season

[rich quail]

I don’t think 2 sac is a thing
Sounds kinda dangerous

[kindred tinsel]

lets goo

[vapid lake]

that's 1 more shotgun unit i can throw out of pvp

and more dps for raid

[strong hull]

@keen vapor ty for def team

PepeClownCry~1

[digital fractal]

@tropic summit

Noise dead

[cedar orbit]

[tropic summit]

oh naruhodo, you've charge speed OL on noise? Or noah

either way you could solve that issue by running noah crown biscuit s.anis noise

[cedar orbit]

he most likely doesn't have CS on Noah and Noise, enemy Biscuit and Jackal do have charge speed

[tropic summit]

that's not the point, it's taunt priority

noah loses taunt priority over noise autos

[keen vapor]

@gaunt cypress explain

[tropic summit]

these are the skills involved

[keen vapor]

invest more

[cedar orbit]

not sure how taunting works there, my Noise has more CS than Noah, but she takes aggro

[tropic summit]

yeah there's more than just 2RL cind into everything

[keen vapor]

What positions?

[cedar orbit]

P1 Noah, P2 Noise

[kindred tinsel]

who pinged me

[cedar orbit]

I mean, he would probably win the fight with Moran, Biscuit, Cindy

[tropic summit]

?

[keen vapor]

Noah has faster projectile than Noise, so she will hit faster than noise with that distance

So aggro goes Noah then Noise a millisecond after

[cedar orbit]

I run this into Blanc, Emilia, Red Hood, Biscuit + 1 jobber

[vapid lake]

https://discord.com/channels/946719263866101821/1300742310186975232

[tropic summit]

@digital fractal can you run this he's suggesting?

[digital fractal]

Oooof i don't have emilia invested

[cedar orbit]

at the end it should be Moran vs Emilia, where Emilia has no chance of killing Moran

[digital fractal]

What's the minimum investment needed for emilia?

[cedar orbit]

21 CS, investment is mainly for Moran and CInderella

my Cindy is giga invested, Moran is 4/7/7

[digital fractal]

21 cs?

[tropic summit]

charge speed

[digital fractal]

Oh

[kindred tinsel]

how many lines is that

[loud sonnet]

Im not giving up this position

He hit me 12 midnight

[keen vapor]

2 high

And skill 1 invested

[tropic summit]

you've rapu right?

[digital fractal]

Yes

I'm outta rocks for emilia

[cedar orbit]

I'm not sure if I need Noise, I have her there for CP padding, I guess she takes aggro from Moran

[tropic summit]

noah biscuit rapu s.anis crown

your match should go similar to mine above

with the exception emi will take longer to exit from indom

[kindred tinsel]

is this the right invest path i followed the pyro site i could make her 7/7/7 rn

[cedar orbit]

with that she would need around 11% CS from OL

[keen vapor]

Yes, this is good, only needs skill 1 at level 7

Unless you wanna invest in the current raid

[tropic summit]

to replicate Iris lineup a centi would do the same, losing out on emi's splash but keeping RL

[digital fractal]

Wtf this was down to the wire

[cedar orbit]

what's important is for Moran to be invincible when Emi hits

[tropic summit]

that's really down the wire didn't expect it SO close

[digital fractal]

The Noah difference

[rich quail]

Well, the margin for error is very slim imo

Usually a sac unit is either a lvl 1 sync unit or a unit that is at or under lvl 160 sync

Unless you have a unit synced normally with your team but for some reason is really easy to kill

If it’s the former, it’s hard to field a team that has 2 units with extremely low cp

[tropic summit]

lemme rewatch it a bit, it's strange emi went for p3-p4-p5 while p1 was alive

[rich quail]

and then the latter, you would have to make sure your remaining three will do full burst without dying

[white compass]

Is X Maiden worth fitting in my sp def team? If so I will use these rocks to OL her

[digital fractal]

It's not 100%doe I still lose haha

[tropic summit]

so the nuke was blocked properly

[keen vapor]

Opponent will have 2 SG well that help for sacc?

[tropic summit]

but i don't fully understand why emi switches aggro to p3-p4-p5 at some point 🤔

[cedar orbit]

she didn't switch aggro

[kindred tinsel]

i still haven't done challenge sr yet ill see who i can fix before Emilia then

[rich quail]

Could you tell me what the team is that has 2 sac units?

[tropic summit]

🤨

[digital fractal]

Oh wow

[keen vapor]

No, I only know opponent

[tropic summit]

it's just the AoE from her autos then, that's a lot of dmg

[digital fractal]

Yeah I'll probably need more investment honestly

[keen vapor]

This

[cedar orbit]

her aoe is global for 10 sec after burst

[digital fractal]

Blanc needs a minor nerf xD

[cedar orbit]

when we getting a unit who removes indom

[tropic summit]

i'm more of the opinion emilia shouldn't have existed

[keen vapor]

When we get third indom unit

[cedar orbit]

I'm so happy I got a copy of Emilia

[kindred tinsel]

when we get chime

[keen vapor]

I got robbed, I was supposed to get Sora No Otoshimono collab

[tropic summit]

give it to SU releasing broken units accidentally and behind a collab limited banner

[cedar orbit]

when I started the game, among the collab questioneere there was Date A Live, I'm not giving up on having Kurumi in the game

[digital fractal]

Hmmm I don't have centi or emilia invested lol

But I'll try out centi since she's higher cp

[keen vapor]

Nah, I'd Yoshino

[cedar orbit]

I will make a recording when people hit me in SA

[digital fractal]

Lmao this is my rookie arena grudge match

[valid fern]

how safe is a 2RL noah vs 2.5RL scarlet burst?

[keen vapor]

Pretty

[valid fern]

aight bet

[keen vapor]

[cedar orbit]

my rookie arena gamers are rocking Noah, Noise, S.Anis, Biscuit, Jackal, 1 guy invented the Rosanna technology, but gets unlucky and loses to me. I just use Emilia techology

[digital fractal]

Yeah got cooked

[cedar orbit]

Moran not invincible gg

[rich quail]

I mean, theoretically if you could do it, you would have to do something like this

sac1/scarlet/dps/blanc/ros

I used to mess around with ScarJack with Rosie, with Scar unlinked because her atk was so weak and she would die faster because of her s1 taking her own hp

But that was at least with Jackal backing up Rosie and another unit with s2 damage share

Without Jackal, your remaining 3 units better be super tanky and beefy

That’s the only way I see it being possible, but I dunno if that setup is worth the trouble

[tribal tartan]

Good morning pvp

[digital fractal]

More investment?!

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

Always more

[digital fractal]

[cedar orbit]

I would have to watch my match again, my Moran is always invincible, plus Cindy just lives the buffed Emilia burst

its probably better to shove Cindy to P4

but your Biscuit just dies to splash

your Cindy can't kill the enemy team with her burst

[digital fractal]

Surely they just need to nerf blanc invul duration

[digital fractal]

Uhhh Mines kinda invested

[rich quail]

@keen vapor Hope this helps… like I said, a 2 sac team sounds like a team that is heavily dependent on so many factors without Jackal to help damage share, or Biscuit to help keep Blanc alive. It seems very impractical.

[cedar orbit]

I guess 40% attack max core Cindy just hits different

[tropic summit]

it's 10:45PM here, but good morning to you too sir

[keen vapor]

Thank you ET I understand sac strategies better now

[digital fractal]

Can't blame em, my sanis is max core as well