pvp-arena

[swift mango]

OL is more important for CP padding

Equipping a blue doll is enough for starting. Maybe purple if you have a lot to spare.

[inner scroll]

Yea. That’s the priority. But I can skill level the more popular PvPs, my campaign team is worthless for now (beat 34), and my raids team need work, but I’m focussing PvP.

[swift mango]

Just use your T2 to hit their t1

Same for this too. You could easily win the attack.

[mint kite]

I win the attacks just fine

Dissuading 6+ people from attacking me is the bigger problem

[quick lake]

Lost an SP attack attempt, cause my phone crashed

Oh, but I won!

[swift mango]

I think it doesn't matter though, I hit attack and immediately quit but the result still calculated

[swift mango]

That you need to build up your CP and ol pvp units.... It's hard.

Attack you only use 2 team and could even CP gap. But defense you want 3. And all high enough CP so won't be gapped.

[wicked burrow]

In which team should I put scarlet og, she's not fully OLed with bad procs for now but still

My nikkes in general I know that I have some better pvp units but don't have resources to upgrade them now

So maybe suggest better teams to focus on later as well pls

[final wedge]

do u know what RL each of ur comps are?

i srsly hate insertin Cindy due to her burst gen is among the lowest

[vapid lake]

?Cook for him ?

[quick lake]

First to teams >4RL. Only last team is 3RL

[final wedge]

feels like whoever use Cindy...it fix the team to have 3 RL....only crazy ppl gonna put massive teams for 2 RL Cindy

4 RL Cindy even weirder...since 4 RL usually for staller team....n Cindy provides almost nothin to the team

i wish she has burst gen as Pascal

[keen vapor]

Imagine shooting the floor

[wicked burrow]

Honestly now, when I built these I just remembered good sg and rl units and added strong dps/high cp units to them

Cuz meta pvp chars are low on CP

[final wedge]

i mean....did u put on calc on ur team to see what RL speed on em?

cuz....buildin one without knowing the basic of using calc in xcel is just.....

[wicked burrow]

No didn't even know there's one

[final wedge]

try this https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1boyHxiYaV8C4ehvq-JMjXgxcPBCEgKmc/edit?_sm_vck=7VmtP3QT63P2MV5fJTV1JZVJsPVDrS2S7hnmBBHHh5jP3s0mqBQh&_sm_vck=1kVQ8Wq5VH585D7kHNkCFDSCDrP7HLnrrpjrMqwnpF08W5WvqN55&_sm_nck=1&_sm_vck=W1rMZ3F0Pw6QRRD0Fq4q163nsMVQjZrqM0DSj7r63gDZ3Jr1trgQ&_sm_vck=jTNvZZKsVwcRN1WVqPtMZwPq6DtDFJ6jPrgjtNRvqHPZZrMqt7vn&gid=1694537530#gid=1694537530

but u gotta make a copy of it

[wicked burrow]

Thanks, so what do I focus calculating teams

[final wedge]

well the basics are 3 RL for most team

[final wedge]

also....Keripo has matrix for everyone to use
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15aPYfbMCB3JSYYgygwMvSLvyPUd_AQ0EhKawRXMsQgQ/edit

u can try n use the most effective teams from there as well 🙂

[wicked burrow]

But these teams have the same units

So it doesn't really help

[quick lake]

T1: Noah SAnis Pepper BSoda Tia
T2: Scarlet Alice Grave Maiden Jackal
T3: Noise Centi Cindy Noir Drake

Can read the pins to learn more about pvp

[wicked burrow]

I don't have blanc

[raven plover]

5 RL atk cindy team

[final wedge]

[raven plover]

[final wedge]

i thought at 1st, Cindy burst gen is = Pascal tbh

[wicked burrow]

Also you used Alice twice

[final wedge]

then SU slam me with reality check

[keen vapor]

How do you know when is 5 RL and when is longer than that

[quick lake]

Edited

[raven plover]

[wicked burrow]

Thanks, before I finish pepper and biscuit I'm gonna try to stick with mine teams, adjusted them a bit now they are
Noah sanis scarlet ein jackal
Noise ssakura alice naga tia
Privaty noir liter bsoda centi ( this one remained the same)

Dunno if they're better not but you said cindy isn't good so decided to move them a bit

[swift mango]

50 RL Cindy team, the best team

[quick lake]

Do follow the teams I recommended. Itss not about the CP, but rather the burst speed. If you swap the units, ur teams will burst slower

[swift mango]

Using only 2 mag RL would often result in 5 RL team. Just look at Merry's Nero team.

Should be the same with 1 clip SG.

Then slower than that just remove more.

[wicked burrow]

I mean it won't help to use better teams if cp def is more than 100k cuz it's more than 15%

So I'll just have in mind these teams for better days when I invest in the units

[keen vapor]

[swift mango]

If you invested in CS, I guess 5 RL team could be 4rl team which actually not all that bad... Maybe Merry team could be meta with enough investment.... 🤔

[keen vapor]

Quiry with 4 charge speed black lines

[swift mango]

Actually only need 4 CS line in the 5% range for Rapu and Quiry for his team to reach 4rl.

[keen vapor]

Rapunzel I only need one more line

But... Will it work on defense?

[quick lake]

Thats more than 4 >Tier 11 cs lines

Expensive, but interesting

[swift mango]

CS cube.

[quick lake]

Probably one of Keripo's teams

[keen vapor]

Adjutant investment

[keen vapor]

@worthy knoll will you go for it? or you're comfy enough in 5 RL

[swift mango]

Well, I think the grit of it should be that even if his team got wiped Rapunzel and Nero could still somehow survive and Res, with DR from Nero to Rapunzel... But it was only work because it's his highest CP team...

I doubt we could do it.

[keen vapor]

But I want to

[quick lake]

Im still wondering what kind of team has 100% win rate

Keripo had a 100% win rate team

[keen vapor]

It won't be healthy for the game

[quick lake]

Even god comp was 89% win rate

Has to be something unorthodox, aka whack sustain team

[swift mango]

100% win rate is a team with full of blue Nikke but 3 times your CP.

[worthy knoll]

Err? My Rapu and Quiry are already at 20% ish CS

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

So, already with that charge speed is 5 RL?

[swift mango]

Should be 4rl. His team burst at Rapu 5th shoot.

[quick lake]

Man, pvp is so fun

Find more whack teams to invest

Wouldnt the Moran die, if there's too much pressure on P1?

[keen vapor]

nah, she'd win

[worthy knoll]

4.xish

[keen vapor]

[worthy knoll]

Enemy Biscuit prolly with no CS is still at 4 ammo used while my Quiry and Rapu already used 5

[keen vapor]

:Novel Noted: roll Rapunzel

[quick lake]

Roll all RLs wdym

[wild badge]

I've finally reached the point in my sp arena pvp rotations, where everyone is investing heavily into moran

and they don't play campaign because we all can't clear campaign MC

[ashen urchin]

I have no idea how this guy has over 60k cp over me

[covert lintel]

SR doll

[ashen urchin]

I have Sr dolls on all mine

[quick lake]

Each fully OL-ed unit gives quite a massive CP boost

[ashen urchin]

Would mean they would have highly invested their whole team in ol 5 gear? Still the 60k gap is a lot. My scarlet and Blanc have full ol 5 gear.. ol stat lines may also be a reason?

[quick lake]

Yep OL line also help in CP boost. +5 OL is pretty expensive (not that much CP boost either) so I doubt that. But basic 4x +0 OL can amount to that 60k

[ashen urchin]

My whole team at a min is ol 0 so..still can't figure out how it's such a big diff 🙃

[final wedge]

i cant believe it.....8 rocks in total from yesterday just to reroll the stats to get 3% CS...what a bs

[quick lake]

pee v pee investoooor

[quick lake]

Got 2 blue cs lines on my Centi in 4 rock

20.85% cs centi now

[wild ravine]

best pvp teams? been awhile since i updated my teams

[late marten]

Depends on OL's charge damage as higher stats can also increase CP slightly

Ah the mirror match, I hate the fact that someone copied my team and then uses it AGAINST me while I can't fight back because of CP difference

I just disliked that they keep beating me to death (a 5-lose streak a day) as if they want me gone for real or suffer more.

While I can only battle one opponent every other day to give others a chance.

That's not a sportmanship, that's clearly an ABUSE.

[ashen urchin]

Huh? I was just comparing the cp gap since we're same sync level...didn't use the same team just trying to understand how such a huge difference could be made

[late marten]

Apology for my rant cause I really can't stand PVP at all. and we hope they should made it optional instead of making it mandatory.

[late marten]

Sorry about that, I just lost my mind while writing those.

[ashen urchin]

No worries 👍 was just confused lol

[late marten]

I was just taking about mirror match, but I completely lost myself when someone copied my team and using it to abuse me.

[vapid lake]

OL gear -> number of lines and quality of each line
dolls and doll level (no doll vs SR0 doll vs SR15 doll)

It possible this guy all-in pvp and all his units have at least SR5 doll

And dps sr15

[late marten]

I think it also depends on OL's Charge Damage that slightly boost CP

[covert lintel]

if your def is breached that mean you are not well invest enough, just accept it so u won't have a hard time or bad mood

[vapid lake]

not worth losing sleep over rookie arena

[late marten]

It's just hard for me to keep with PVP when I'm mostly busy for upgrading my main squad

[covert lintel]

oh is this about rookie?🤔

[late marten]

Yes.

[ashen urchin]

Thing is all my units have sr5 min and scar has sr11 so I'm still baffled may have stacked ol lines. The only thing I can think knof but damn 60k? That's some darn good lines

[covert lintel]

skip it then

[vapid lake]

Possible, the diff between my units with 12 lines and those with bad OL luck is like 90k cp vs 60k-70k cp

[ashen urchin]

Ahh I suppose this person is more pvp invested than I am and went all in on some ol rerolls

[keen vapor]

But you can progress campaign with no problem by ignoring PVP

[covert lintel]

and rookie doesn't generate gems so skip it if u hate seeing ppl atk u

[keen vapor]

@vapid lake I don't get it PVP is not mandatory

[vapid lake]

technically it isn't

[keen vapor]

How

[vapid lake]

Mistype

[keen vapor]

How

[vapid lake]

Im just messing with u

[keen vapor]

[vapid lake]

U still have to click on the pvp tab to collect mats for the code manuals but u can basically play the game without ever engaging in the actual pvp

But i guess some ppl just feel compelled to spend all their daily attempts

[quick lake]

Realised Novel is not in the burst gen chart

Our poor detective

[copper creek]

🤘

[copper creek]

because there is absolutely no reason to use her in pvp

just normal smg burst gen if for some reason unknown to god and man alike, u really must

[quick lake]

I know just found it funny that she's missing

[knotty nymph]

Can someone help me with teams?

For special arena

[swift mango]

To which unit do you have OL on?

[knotty nymph]

Above Innocent days

[swift mango]

Scarlet+Crown+Liter+Noir+Jackal

Noise+Noah(equip with Charge speed cube)+SBS+Rapunzel+Laplace

Blanc+Emilia(burst skill at least lv7)+RH+Biscuit+Centi

Could use ASS in SBS or Emilia place defending on investment.

[swift mango]

Or they are just very lucky

[final wedge]

noonononoono im not doin 25% CS dats just crazy

[quick lake]

2.12% from cs cube

[final wedge]

nop....not gonna spend another rock on Jackal...nope nope nope nope

[quick lake]

Oh no you cant

4 black lines still not enough HAHAHA

Misinfo oops

21% is good as it is hehe

oh wait, u can, just need 22.88% charge speed from OLs

[final wedge]

i just wan my 20 rocks back

[tropic summit]

scarlet grave rh viper jackal
blanc sbs biscuit rapu centi
noah noise cind rumani laplace+

quantum cube on jackal, centi, rumani
temperance on noah
if temperance higher than vigor, on noise, else viceversa
vigor on biscuit, rapu, cind (cind can go resi/bastion if higher in lvl for stats)

[gaunt viper]

how do I beat them? any advice I'll gladly take

I tried swapping squad 2 and 3 and lost with them

[tropic summit]

those are pretty decent teams you facing 🤔

the dude is not an idiot

[quick lake]

Comments on ur teams:
Team 1 is just plain slow. Wont be able to burst in time and gets nuked by opponent
Team 2, scarlet dies fast because opponent's Rosanna kills ur jackal link i.e. your scarlet is cmpletely unprotected
Team 3, tanky opponent + Noise + Bay

Opponent is really good and knows what he/she doing

[tropic summit]

albeit, they're still beatable

[quick lake]

Yeah, need to craft specific teams to win. No cookie cutter teams

[tropic summit]

post your box and let's see if you got the right cards to play

[vapid lake]

t1 can beat with noah sanis stall team
t2 can beat by bursting first and nuking them with cindy, likewise with t3

[quick lake]

Alternatively
Team 1 2RL scarlet nuke
Team 2, 3RL Noah Cindy

[vapid lake]

beatable, but if this person is this good at making teams theres a good chance he also checks sp arena every 1 hour

its one of those people

[quick lake]

~~Got no clue how to fight Moran+Bay Teams ~~

[gaunt viper]

yeah I'm troubles by that too

[gaunt viper]

True, just beat my def an hour ago

[quick lake]

Oh, Team 3 you can do 2-2.5RL XMaiden Nuke

[vapid lake]

xmaiden nuke?

doesnt she only kill 1

[gaunt viper]

Scarlet nuke cause their burst gen is slow? and tbh idk what squad is optimal with Noah Cindy

[gaunt viper]

something like this then?

[quick lake]

Blood cookin'

[swift mango]

You are the higher level one.

T1, just SG their RH, bring about 3, or do a pve fight so SR hit p5.

T2, just use your campaign team to CP dif them. Preferably with RH and Laplace+. 600k should be enough.

[quick lake]

Follow Blood's advice, more solid

[gaunt viper]

I'm sorry but what are the advised units for t1 would you say. as for my campaign team it's Liter/Blanc/RH/Modernia/Noir. I've been working on Naga+Crown but need more doll lvls

[swift mango]

How much CP is that?

[gaunt viper]

for campaign is 595k

[swift mango]

T1 probably win but I'm not very sure about t2

[gaunt viper]

I could try it and see perhaps

[swift mango]

You could do a 2rl on t3 as well

Noise+Centi+Anis+Jackal+Cindy

How is that CP?

[gaunt viper]

tho centi and Jackal are on T1 already

[gaunt viper]

this is what i was gonna use as a place holder

[swift mango]

I fell this have high lose chance.... Biscuit Often counter CP dif very well.

[gaunt viper]

I could swap out Crown for Biscuit and bring it down to 522k but idk if that would help much

[swift mango]

Why not use biscuit in T2?

[swift mango]

This one

[gaunt viper]

who would I put her in for would you say? emilia?

[swift mango]

Cindy but.... Laplace look very dangerous to Noise...

[gaunt viper]

ah, rather quite a pickle

[swift mango]

Bruh I was suggesting something else but now I jump to other suggestions....

[gaunt viper]

[swift mango]

T1: Alice/Noah+ASS+Poli+Noir+Rapunzel

T2: Auto team

T3: Noise+Centi(quantum)+Anis+Jackal(quantum)+Cindy

Idk how does this look?

[gaunt viper]

my Sanis and Poli have no OLs rn

Rapu has just Chest

[swift mango]

How about Maxwell?

[gaunt viper]

Maxwell is full OL

[swift mango]

And Noah?

[gaunt viper]

Noah is full OL too

[worthy knoll]

What that SG for?

Killing Noah?

[swift mango]

Killing RH

[worthy knoll]

How?

[swift mango]

Eh SR one PvE fight would hit p5 no?

[worthy knoll]

Yeah only SR will hit P5 when attacking

[swift mango]

Idk if SG would hit p5 when attack thou

They don't?

[worthy knoll]

Nah its usually P5 once then all P1.. but depending on the position, not all SG will target P5 once

[swift mango]

Not at all?

[swift mango]

I figure they could hit p5 but maybe I was wronged

[swift mango]

How about t1 with Noah+Alice+RH+Maxwell+Biscuit

?

Do one PvE fight then come back to start the attack.

[gaunt viper]

I've never done the PvE method before 🤔

I swaped RH and Alice oops

[worthy knoll]

Somehow I feel that team will be melted by Cindy before Noah could burst

[swift mango]

Biscuit though

[worthy knoll]

Yeah only Noah alive

Rest will die from Cindy well you can just go in and check

[swift mango]

I mean to kill RH here. If they can't burst then they can't wipe

[worthy knoll]

Don't have the calc at hand now

Err.. you expect SR to kill in just 3 shots?

[swift mango]

Well 3SR

[worthy knoll]

Well you can try, I'm curious how it'll go 🤔

[tropic summit]

here you go btw ^

[worthy knoll]

[quick lake]

Take vid for us plz

[tropic summit]

assuming it's quantum 3 anyway not much difference

[opaque chasm]

How good is X.Maiden burst gen?

[tropic summit]

clip SG

[quick lake]

27.3 at 3RL speed

[worthy knoll]

Yeah just as I expected

[gaunt viper]

so what would you propose is the solution

[quick lake]

Invest, and read pvp guides

[swift mango]

I was think of telling you T2 might not working but I was distracted sorry

[gaunt viper]

well t2 was just auto like you said 😅

[swift mango]

Not enough CP and Modernia fed too much

Ideally you want Laplace+ or Xmaiden or 30%+ dif...

[worthy knoll]

Noah/Biscuit/RH/some gen and cp filler and make it at least 3 RL or better 2.5 should work just fine 🤔

[swift mango]

Yep

As above

Merry said

Noir is good contender there

[gaunt viper]

like that then perhaps 🤔

[worthy knoll]

SBS is not a gen unit

[swift mango]

Enough for 3rl

[gaunt viper]

It was too make her 3rl

[swift mango]

How is your biscuit? Is she geared and dolled?

Oh well you could try

[worthy knoll]

I don't have calc to see if its exactly 3 RL but would have preferred an Emi21 or any RL with 17%+ CS

[gaunt viper]

Biscuit is still lvl 0 doll and chest and boots OL

[swift mango]

It's 3rl with calculator

[swift mango]

If Biscuit isn't ded early then it's sure win. If Biscuit ded before burst then you could still win.

All good

[gaunt viper]

I could put emi instead of SBS, she's got 25% CS

[swift mango]

Then do it

[worthy knoll]

Yeah I feel safer if its Emi21

Coz enemy also has an Emi which could make them 2.5RL too if Emi21

[swift mango]

Neither teams can reach 2.5rl with just Emilia 21%

[gaunt viper]

whelp

[worthy knoll]

Really? Well I don't have calc to check, I feel its a 2.5 team tho

Yeah its 2.5 see Emi at 3 ammo uses, other RLs is at 2 ammo uses

[swift mango]

Yeah it's 2.5rl

[worthy knoll]

Why did you say neither earlier

[swift mango]

Forgot to add quantum lv7

My bad.

[gaunt viper]

t3 rng not in my favor this time

[warm acorn]

@keen vapor what wall?

https://tenor.com/view/keara-chan-smug-anime-smug-redo-of-healer-girl-keyaru-gif-8488755221718036852

[swift mango]

Okay I missed on Noir being in Noah+Emilia team. Sorry again

[gaunt viper]

idk how to make the t3 squad not die/have better rng

[worthy knoll]

Can you just blanc SBS T3?

Well they do have an Biscuit which might not work on your favor 🤔

[gaunt viper]

whom might I be replacing with them two?

[swift mango]

Biscuit+Rumani though...

[worthy knoll]

Yeah, was thinking it could be fine if SBS is not on P1 P2 but they could tweak the lowest defense unit to be one of the defenders

Was thinking something like Jackal Blanc Centi Anis SBS tho what are the chances their SBS is not lowest def

I mean on the opposing side

[gaunt viper]

yeah i realized lol

[worthy knoll]

But yeah your Anis being lowest def could make it indom too to Anis instead of SBS if she got hit hard by 1st and 2nd S1 trigger

[gaunt viper]

sorry nearly 7am here, I'm not completely thinking 😅

[worthy knoll]

If we place Cindy would she be linked?

[gaunt viper]

Cindy over SBS?

[worthy knoll]

Yeah, just wondering if she is linked

Over the other defenders

Tho the question is if she is lowest hp but eh, I feel it doesn't matter where the indom goes as long Blanc Cindy is able to burst

[gaunt viper]

shes got much less atk than Blanc and barely less than Jackal but yeah I think she would be linked

[worthy knoll]

Try Jackal Blanc Anis Centi Cindy then

Would be better if Cindy is lowest hp

So indom would go to her

[gaunt viper]

Anis has lowest HP then Centi, then Cindy

[worthy knoll]

I mean on the linked units

So between her, Jackal and Blanc

[gaunt viper]

oh gotcha

she's the lowest of the 3

Blanc being the most

[worthy knoll]

Oh you have better chances then

Huh?

Its Bay bursting right?

Did they had a Blanc

[swift mango]

I was looking at wrong team sorry

[worthy knoll]

You made me scroll up to double check

[gaunt viper]

I'll test it tomorrow on reset then. gn for now and ty two for the help and advice

[swift mango]

Sorry for making you lose.

[gaunt viper]

nah don't worry about it, it was done in good faith and I appreciate it nonetheless

[swift mango]

If you want to be sure Cindy has lowest HP maybe equip Vigor on other defender.

[gaunt viper]

well as of rn I've got Tempering on Blanc and Vigor on Cindy. Quantum on all the rest

[worthy knoll]

Ahh remove the vigor from your Cindy

[gaunt viper]

tho that's just what I had ahead of time

[worthy knoll]

It could mess it up unless she is still lower even with Vigor cube

Since blanc is linked, your only contender on hp is just jackal

[gaunt viper]

hmmm alright i suppose I could put tempering on her too then

[worthy knoll]

Since Blanc can't indom herself

You'll be getting max hp on Blanc burst any way if your Cindy is the one who got indom

[swift mango]

I would put Vigor on Anis... She is the most dangerous of being too low HP even at full.

[worthy knoll]

I think it should be fine, since RLs will be hitting P1 P2 who are both linked

And Anis would just be hit once coz for some reason second S1 trigger of SBS centers on decoy

Placed her at P3 so that she won't get hit by that

[swift mango]

If a link Cindy got dmg through shared, would her decoy hp reduce or herself.

[worthy knoll]

Herself

I already tried that with a Noise Blanc Jackal team

It was a pain to make my Cindy lower hp than jackal tho

[gaunt viper]

lucky for me my Jackal has more Cores so I didn't have to go through that I suppose 😅

[full citrus]

hello sigmas can we still ask for pvp teems here

[swift mango]

I just want to mention that Bay+Defender+Biscuit really hurt Cindy damage.

We had a discussion before that it cut Cindy burst on the Attacker by around 70%

So 3rl Cindy vs that team could have a high chance of just got blocked.

[gaunt viper]

that's kinda what I fear tbh, but I suppose we will see perhaps

[worthy knoll]

I saw that vid but I feel that enemy Cindy isn't a good example, but lets see tomorrow, if ever Cindy can just natk them to oblivion

I recommend your centi anis jackal are still on quantums, i don't think we have to worry Anis stealing indom

[gaunt viper]

alright that sounds good then

[runic coral]

https://i.imgur.com/wiI8GeD.png
will this whale ever get reshuffled or is he free to stomp rookie/arena for the rest of game service 😞

[swift mango]

Yeah, hoping for enough feed to reach 2rl instead of 3 xD

[swift mango]

Maybe you can hope yourselves being reshuffled.

[runic coral]

eh, went through third reshuffle now and it's only bringing in more p2p people, aca is here from the start terrorizing me

[swift mango]

How is his synch level vs yours?

[gaunt viper]

I only just now had a whale shuffled into my SP arena and none of us can contend. so I'm hoping for reshuffle soon

[runic coral]

261 vs 304

[swift mango]

Go all in on your arena investment and beat him then

[runic coral]

I'm around the same between people who didn't fork over 1k

[runic coral]

ain't gonna gimp my account for 0 reward 😄

[swift mango]

You could consider do XMaiden and Laplace treasure... Really help when you want CP dif their team.

[runic coral]

3rd place is also a whale but he's hella inactive

[gaunt viper]

that's my whale tho in 1st

[swift mango]

Well, nothing got glimp. After Campaign team. You either Arena or Raid. Neither has big reward to speak ofm

[runic coral]

[runic coral]

yeah I'm barely done with my campaign team so I'm just full investing into raid

not worth to invest in arena for 300 more gems

[swift mango]

Raid even having worse reward than Arena. So if you choice it then it's just your reference.

[gaunt viper]

I got Xmaiden without knowing anything about her other than being good in tower and booba

[runic coral]

I like raids tho so I don't mind at all, about the only content I look forward to besides new story and big events 🙏

[gaunt viper]

that's why i haven't invested all too much into raid 😅

[swift mango]

XMaiden and Laplace+ put pressure into p1. Your team 2 could have won with Laplace+ in it.

[gaunt viper]

I have almost no investment in Laplace

same for XMaiden tho

[swift mango]

Yeah, I won't advise Auto attack against Jackal link without 30%+ CP dif or Laplace+ ever again.

[gaunt viper]

yeesh, doesn't sound like fun

[swift mango]

It's my way of solving Scarlet+Blanc+Jack though. Always work....

[gaunt viper]

I know i just don't exactly have the resources pooled together to make such a solution i suppose is what i mean to say

always end up low on credits

[final wedge]

me too

[swift mango]

Idk if I would low on credit getting to your level....

I still have 2000+ credit 1h and 1000+ credit 2h amongst other boxes at lv310...

May I would lack credit around lv400?

[final wedge]

found this by accident...popularize it on my rookie...then i got countered when my rookie use RH...then accidentally win using Lap+

[gaunt viper]

I mean I'm not exactly that low either but when considering other resources needed, credits was just the easiest as the first to list

[final wedge]

i take back my pity...we r not the same

[gaunt viper]

lmao

[final wedge]

i broke cuz i play too much in investing silly comps in early game

[gaunt viper]

I heavily ponder over every single investment

[swift mango]

I'm glad I have my Lap+ to fall back on... Next will be Rossanna then Xmaiden... The win without even need b2-3 team...

[final wedge]

yea me too lmao..

i was coping too hard with tru dmg team back there....rolling her till got 40% ATK

then fail terrible in SR due to comps difficulty....

i gave up on true dmg team for SR now but I can still have my Lap+ for PVP at least

[swift mango]

That 5 selector though

[gaunt viper]

yeah i haven't had to use it cause I'm still trying to raise rare dolls on others before converting 😅

[swift mango]

Are you rerolling dispatch?

[gaunt viper]

huh? can't say I'm familiar with that i think 🤔

[swift mango]

That could help you get more doll upgrade mats.

[gaunt viper]

I've never Rerolled dispatch

[swift mango]

Aim for 4-5 stars mission for doll mats. 3 star is barely acceptable if only one mission. 2 star never pick unless you are very unlucky.

More so if you get scrap on normal mission as well.

[gaunt viper]

I've just been full auto it the whole time, I've never even really looked

I'll look into it more tomorrow then

[swift mango]

I would put 3 blue mats into acceptable as well.

[quick lake]

@swift mango how do u read the feed chart? 2 feed, means 2 of your linked nikkes getting hit?

[drifting hazel]

I’m not rerolling because of banners

[swift mango]

Yeah. But you could ask someone like Merry

[quick lake]

Ahh icic got it!

[swift mango]

2 linked nikke at p1-2 getting hit by RL...

[quick lake]

[drifting hazel]

Would a team like this work no particular team that I’m attacking, just want to know if this is even a team worth using

Anis got quantum cube, got to wait till next UR for next levels on quantum cube

[quick lake]

Rumani in P1 very squishy. If she dies, no burst. Risky

If you swap Anis with Biscuit, put some Quantum cubes,it becomes more viable as 3RL

[drifting hazel]

Rumani is VERY weak rn, I’m waiting for level 6 on quantum cube for biscuit

Maybe that’ll be better till I can build up my pve then switch to PvP whoever doesn’t cross over

[quick lake]

Can put Rumani in P1 here. Biscuit allows Rumani to be invulnerable here

[keen vapor]

You either need another D wife copy or an entirely new MLB

[keen vapor]

I take closed kits as 6/5 blue mats so nope

Not that I'd roll with 1 acceptable left and the rest good tho, no

[loud sonnet]

[tropic summit]

gemm'ed

[swift mango]

Yes but that one is better than the rest in case you are unlucky.

Like I said, aim for 4-5 star mission but getting 1 3 Star is fine.

[loud sonnet]

His defense

[tropic summit]

destroyed

[strong hull]

Wao

Doll material tier list

[rich quail]

Sometimes your dispatch gives you a lot of gems, which you can treat as “house money”… you can choose to keep it, or you can deselect the low-value items to reroll for 50 gems and see if you get some better items… or even more gems.

You can also get core dust cases and credit cases (which I keep because past sync level 300 they become really valuable), and modules to upgrade gear… which I personally reroll because they don’t amount to much in comparison to the other items.

[cedar orbit]

Are credit copers gigawhales buying cores? I'm sync lvl 433 and I have 1969 hours worth of credits.

[swift mango]

Idk maybe you don't upgrade gear much. Maybe you didn't buy event currency to do h11 for sometime. People at 400+ often lack credit whale or not.

You maybe the outliner

[cedar orbit]

yeah, I'm just an idiot not sitting at rank 1 pvp

[swift mango]

Bruh. Check your gear mats, if you have lots of them not used then it could be the reason.

I have seen tons of people at 400+ scream they are lacking Credit only you said otherwise.

[cedar orbit]

this is my current backlog

[swift mango]

See

[flint halo]

Anyone wanna make me an SP def? Thanks.

[cedar orbit]

it's literally 7 lvl 5 OL worth of exp

[swift mango]

You don't have Defender or Supporter or purple gear? Just those 4?

[cedar orbit]

these are the others, I dipped into the last screenshot during Grave's banner

people are probably getting lvl 5 OLs, which is a massive waste for 4k extra CS

[swift mango]

Did you do 50 gem claim? Do you use the achievement boxes for Credit case instead of Core dust?

[cedar orbit]

I only get core dust

[swift mango]

Do you reset dispatch daily from the start and get lots of credit everyday?

[cedar orbit]

don't reset dispatch

[swift mango]

I doubt this could be the case though. They would still need to use gear mats to upgrade to lv5

[wild ravine]

Thank you! Appreciate it

[cedar orbit]

I have enough credits to get 43 lvl 0 OL gear to lvl 5 OL, but only around 10 with gear exp

[swift mango]

Maybe you get gear less XP than others of your level? Lol idk.

Also, around when did you start?

[cedar orbit]

Dorothy's banner

[swift mango]

You could try to check if your level equal to those of your time.

That are complaining about lacking credit

I have no idea other than that lol

[cedar orbit]

I'm likely much higher lvl than most people

[swift mango]

I mean only the ones complaining about lacking credit haha

[cedar orbit]

I guess because I'm likely much more ahead in campaign, I get more credits, but credit cost for gear is constant

[tropic summit]

scarlet naga (grave instead of naga if CP isn't too impacted) rh emi jackal
noah noise biscuit cind laplace+
blanc sbs noir rapu centi

vigor on rapu, biscuit, cind
temperance on noah, noise
quantum on jackal, centi, emi

anything else give them your highest available cubes

[swift mango]

Maybe you started investing in gear later than other.

Maybe they opened their boxes to upgrade lots of gears early on.

Later level of the outpost doesn't improved as much resources gain so campaign difference doesn't mean as much as early on.

Basically your resources usage was happened to more efficient than most people? I guess that's all I could think off.

I'm not really lacking Credit right now so I can't tell. Haven't opened a credit box in months.

[cedar orbit]

I think their Cinderella is just not as good as mine

[flint halo]

Thanks

[fickle shard]

Hey everyone, it's been a long while since I updated my defense teams and I'm starting to get a bit dogwalked staying in top 6-10. Any advice on set ups would be super appreciated

[tropic summit]

maxed pepper

[keen vapor]

Me

[cedar orbit]

I'm looking for Rumani, but I can't find her

[fickle shard]

My wife

[fickle shard]

I do not have her unfortunately

[tropic summit]

scarlet poli rh emi jackal
noah noise cind laplace+ xmaid
blanc sbs biscuit rapu centi

quantum on emi, jackal, centi
vigor on cind, blanc, biscuit, rapu
tempura on noah and noise

anyone else whatever highest cube you got

[fickle shard]

Thank you, just curious why Sanis wouldn't be used in any of the defense comps. I am genuinely asking

[tropic summit]

you could put s.anis instead of cind, the focus there would shift from burst to stalling

a team with s.anis would be

noah noise biscuit s.anis laplace+
or
noah noise biscuit s.anis rapu (more stall, less DPS)

you'd then need to rethink on t3, but there are other comps

[fickle shard]

Gotcha, ill try out what you suggested since I figure you are more familiar with the pvp comps than me

[tropic summit]

it depends a lot on your opponents to be fair, switching things up if your defense starts failing is always a good idea

if they're smart enough, they'll try to counter your comps

scarlet team for example could lose to a 2RL noah or a rosanna
cind team could get countered by a 3RL noah emi rh
blanc and sbs could be hard countered by a noah biscuit (distributed dmg on invulnerab. target hits for 0)

[cedar orbit]

I will also give you one, when you get bored of the other team

[limber patrol]

give it to me, I will use them instantly and still lack

[cedar orbit]

in case you ever get Rumani, you can switch Rapu for her

[fickle shard]

Will save this too, thank you both

[gaunt viper]

that makes sense, I suppose i just had assumed that it was not worth it to chance reroll it when odds might not be in your favor. good to know, thank you

[swift mango]

It's still up to chance and not really worth it if you don't have much bad roll to change. But with additional of doll mats it become much more worth it than before... Just to get more doll mats even at a lost sometimes

I would do 2-3 max reroll a day. Pick the boxes and gems.

And level 4+ doll mats

If luck being shit and couldn't improve much then so be it.

Consider not doing it if you have only like 5 bad missions left to change.

[kindred tinsel]

reset in 30 mins

i think i found a counter to cindy

[cedar orbit]

Noah?

[kindred tinsel]

[swift mango]

Seriously wishing you luck lol...

[kindred tinsel]

ill beat them at their own game

and record too

[copper creek]

Nani the fk

[kindred tinsel]

omg!

[cedar orbit]

his Cindy is much weaker

[kindred tinsel]

cindy always wins

[gaunt viper]

what exactly is lvl 4 dolls mats?

[swift mango]

4 star mission

[gaunt viper]

oh okay gotcha. yeah I'd just been doing auto and getting results like these but from now on I'll pay more attention to it and see if my luck pays off at all

[swift mango]

It's good enough for an auto. Nothing bad about it

Better than many of my bad days

Even after 100 gems

[gaunt viper]

okay that's good to know, I wasn't sure to what extent would it be considered a bad or not too great auto.

so knowing that it's decent then at least I have a baseline I suppose

[swift mango]

I would never rerolls if I could get this everyday lol

[gaunt viper]

I'll try to maintain it then

[fathom schooner]

I think i booted up the new season too quick, how does lv 1 commanders have 5 SSRs?

[granite anchor]

just temp bots because new season, will be replaced as people log in

[fathom schooner]

I figured, but still frustratingly funny. 😄

[swift mango]

I started at 1052 this season, not 1000.

Well Idk how this count but okay.

[cedar orbit]

Your starting position is (Last season points-1000)/5+1000

[summer copper]

Divided by 1005?

[cedar orbit]

what's the point of doing this after every reset

[tropic summit]

like anybody else

[limber patrol]

can I replace Centi with Biscuit? and give Centi to my third team...

[cedar orbit]

yeah, but I mean I'm right here, why attack a second time

[tropic summit]

to make you gem

[limber patrol]

or I can give Centi to my first team and reduce it to 2.5RL...

[cedar orbit]

no

[tropic summit]

if you wanna get 3RL'ed sure

[cedar orbit]

I started at a higher position

[tropic summit]

if they play a 3rd time you've to gem

there are those kind of players

[cedar orbit]

only losers and theorycrafters gem

[limber patrol]

what team good for biscuit then?

[cedar orbit]

you use Biscuit to counter single target burst, RH, Alice, SBS

[tropic summit]

any team that has a p1 defender that you want to stall with, e.g.

noah noise biscuit s.anis laplace+
blanc sbs rapu biscuit centi
blanc emi rh biscuit laplace+
noah noise rh biscuit emi

[limber patrol]

I can't make any of those teams...

[tropic summit]

hmm there's another interesting thing you could do then

xmaiden blanc centi biscuit rh

[limber patrol]

bro thinks he's funny

[tropic summit]

just replace RH with liter or any B1

you could even go pepper

i don't have your box at hand so i dunno what you missing

[vapid lake]

Railtracer is very funny i can confirm

[brittle hill]

[tropic summit]

i will never have pascal

[brittle hill]

His burst is cracked on paper but only with high power teams. Or.. shotguns

Oh I don't have Rapunzel so I don't have a say

[limber patrol]

why does Moran have better burst gen than Doro?

[tribal tartan]

#questions message I think they need help…

[tropic summit]

yes they do, although the lad better first fix his PVE anyway

he's way past the synch level to get 5 stages on kraken and he can get only 4

[kindred tinsel]

lets see if i keep placment this time

[tribal tartan]

@acoustic matrix you can ask here if you need

[acoustic matrix]

K

[limber patrol]

can I upgrade these teams? (the one on the top is the weakest one) (the one on the middle strongest one)

so much work to do...

[acoustic matrix]

Help needed with team building, my s anis team is solid and is working, but in rest team especially one with RH, i m solely relying on me out CP'ing my opponent, need help building good team

[glacial lion]

basic setup:
blanc dps biscuit battery x2
noah rapun dps battery x2
cp padding 3rd team

[tribal tartan]

I assume they have everyone at lvl 410

[acoustic matrix]

K

[swift mango]

They don't care about getting your rank they just wanted to do 2 hits and be done with it. Not everyone log into arena more than 1 a day

Or sweaty for rank 1 when they already r3.

[swift mango]

Use the burst gen calculator you could find in pin. Keripo comment

Try to get your team to 3rl or faster

[acoustic matrix]

Ok

[acoustic matrix]

I m unable to use the calc

[swift mango]

If you already get to the link.

Make your own copy and use the copy.

The original is uneditable.

[acoustic matrix]

Ah, i m on phone

So no idea how to do that

[swift mango]

Download Sheet app form store

[acoustic matrix]

Google sheet?

[swift mango]

Google sheets

[grizzled bone]

excel

adobe reader

[tropic summit]

unbuffed scarlet might not even wipe, generally not recommended. Bay is for stalling or for countering single hit bursts (like scarlet, pmaid)

You'll want to throw a s.anis or Ein in such a comp

Additionally p1 and p2 as defenders with a biscuit will both eat up biscuit passives (due to splash dmg), you want to extend p1 invulnerability by having p1 use both biscuit buffs 1 after another (5s + 5s)

[swift mango]

Doesn't work

[swift mango]

You could try but Excel on phone is crappy.

[limber patrol]

@tropic summit any other option will make third team 4RL or never burst. I want to be working on all of them...

[swift mango]

If you want to build them, build them. The nikkes are all useful in Arena anyway. No optimal resource wise but the same in the long run.

[oblique magnet]

ever since the reshuffle, pvp in the top 10 basically stopped after the first day, lol

there are 3 whales now, so there is no longer a reasonable fight for top 3. everyone else is happy where they are, lol

[swift mango]

Are they 40 or 60 level over you? If 40 then it's do able if they don't build arena team.

60 is hard

But no impossible

80 is kinda impossible though

[oblique magnet]

hmmm, levels are only part of the equation. if we're talking nikke levels, difference is 20. If we're talking about CP, they're 15-25% higher... with meta teams. there is just no way to beat them since even if i match their meta team, i still get a CP penalty

[grizzled bone]

i was joking

[swift mango]

Invest more, 4/4 OL your nikke. 8-12 OL line each. Doll them.

Put skill level on them. Up to 5 if they are slightly useful. To 7-10 if meta skills.

[oblique magnet]

i'm not really looking for advice, lol

i've been top 3 for a while - i just can't compete against those who have the same level of commitment while whaling - i am F2P

[gaunt viper]

well the guy got punted to 6th while I'm still in 4th but I've saved the team and everything for when I see him again so I'll let you know how it goes once that happens. as of rn I beat the current 2nd no problem so I'll prob see them again soon

[swift mango]

This is not advise, rather.

I'm pushing you because you are likely not doing enough. And just flop when seeing "whale"

Then lament about it.

[oblique magnet]

pushing? this is an idle game, lol. i can only gain and apply so many resources.

all my resources go towards leveling arena characters.

there is not much more investment i can do outside of paying money

[oblique magnet]

there is no lamenting. just accepting the facts, lol

[swift mango]

It's simple though. No way you would have a 15% dif to guys with only 20 level above you if you invested in Arena as much as I them. This is fact.

[oblique magnet]

um..unless they've also hyperinvested in their arena characters? they have core7 characters, lol

anyways, moving on. seems really stupid to be arguing with someone who has no actual data points while saying "this is fact"

[swift mango]

Every 20 level you gain 5% stat. The rest of the level is about as much as that one 5%. So about 10% more CP is what I would round up to.

You could tell us your SP team CP and synch level to see if you are up to standard. If I can't make an answer to that then there should be other who could.

Ofc if the whale in question hyper invested in Arena then you would have no chance. Having 3 at that is just your bad luck then.

[keen vapor]

Core 7 20%

[keen vapor]

Does your Noise have SR doll at level 5?

[oblique magnet]

omfg, are you a prophet

it's my only meta charcater without* SR doll. still waiting on one. just 15 blue

[keen vapor]

Wait, so you didn't R15 doll your 3 teams?

[oblique magnet]

i typoed. all my chars are at least R15, but i think everyone actually is SR5 except for noise

at least sr5* some are 10-15

[keen vapor]

Noise

[oblique magnet]

rocket launcher SR dolls are in high demand, lol

[keen vapor]

The other possible investment is getting as much lines on each gear on high phases
And yes, those dolls are

[iron valley]

so close

[keen vapor]

Succubus

My Noah is low on CP

[oblique magnet]

yeah, there is definitely a lot of progress to be made ~ but as i make them, so do the other accounts, lol.

it's already over half way into the season, it's basically impossible to overtake a top 3 slot at this point. my only wish was that my server's resident whale used his power against other whales and not aggressively against me, lol

but i think he saw me as "the bar"; i've been playing for about 7 months now and he was playing pretty passively for the first 4 or so months. i was top of the "ranking" for every category outside of upgrades (he owned those) - and at some point, he started playing aggressively to try and take over the other spots. he started taking the tower spots because i couldn't keep up with tower investments since I was focusing on arena. now he just beats on me in rookie and SP arena even though he doesn't need to, lol

[keen vapor]

PVP is so peaceful now we won't make it through Champion Arena don't we?

[oblique magnet]

champion arena is a myth

[keen vapor]

My local whale is too bad at arena and doesn't know how to push hard stages

[oblique magnet]

i'm 99% sure my whale only does auto combat, lol

like, he pushes as far as auto takes him, lol

[keen vapor]

He still took over manufacturer towers bc I lacked meta units for a quite a while

I also got stuck in Alteisen and he took Pilgrim tower as well it is what it is

[oblique magnet]

i still own pilgrim tower, lol

this is the tetra upgrade ranking 1-6. i am 6, lol

as a reference of F2P vs... not

[keen vapor]

I only own Tetra tower now I find it weird tbh

[oblique magnet]

i was doing pretty well in tetra for a while, since a lot of meta arena characters are also tetra

but most of them don't do that well in campaign...lol

[keen vapor]

Alice

[rich quail]

@keen vapor I finally got Noise’s doll to SR15

It was painful

[keen vapor]

wut

[rich quail]

Yeah

I did it so I could have her tank a little more

Next I am thinking of either Noah or Blanc

[keen vapor]

those mats were supposed to go to Cindy

[whole shell]

20 is completely doable

I'm fighting against people 40+ sync levels above me

[oblique magnet]

i wish i was on your servers where people are uninvested in their arena characters, lol

[whole shell]

that is very much not the case

their defense teams are still decent while being high cp

[keen vapor]

Tbh, I'm not fighting top 3

Two whales (+50 levels) and 2 pros at PVP, I'll live happily in top 6 instead

[quartz prawn]

but ur a pro too

[oblique magnet]

yeah, i'm sitting on top 4. i have just accepted it

[rich quail]

Cindy’s getting built too, don’t u worry

[keen vapor]

But I can't put Cindy CP at the same level as Alice

[rich quail]

Why not?

[keen vapor]

Also remember, PVP is solved so I can't be invincible

[keen vapor]

Bc.... Limit breaks :crown wut:

[oblique magnet]

there is just so many variables that i kind of find it wild that people are making such broad assumptions, lol. it's a gacha game - what characters i have, their stats (cores, upgrade mats), are randomized. i don't have scarlet for example.

i'm doing the best with what i got - and i kinda promise you, i'm doing the most i can do without opening my wallet, lol.

i can maybe beat top 3 if luck is on my side with crits. but i can't hold it, and they spend gems to get extra attempts. and after that first day, they flexed and upped their CP enough that i had to reconfigure everything to minimize the CP penalty.

i mainly commented that it's funny how peaceful it is now that everyone has accepted their spot - not looking for advice, lol.

[keen vapor]

I have Scarlet

[oblique magnet]

not having scarlet is pain

[quartz prawn]

Scarlet OL anything in particular needed? or fishing for only atk fine?

[keen vapor]

But it's broken bc she doesn't gets max ammo

[keen vapor]

She needs ammo to stack her skill 1, that and attack/ele

[covert lintel]

defense stat OL is the hardest to get when it comes to RL char.
i need 4CS 4defense for noise

[quartz prawn]

noted. ele just for cp pad tho rite?

[keen vapor]

Yes

[quartz prawn]

[keen vapor]

Is not that easy

[quartz prawn]

i'm not gonna go too ham on rerolling, my bracket not that strong anyway

[rich quail]

I’d be happy if a certain arsehat in my sp didn’t hit me twice daily, so I can stay at c8 while building up my units

[keen vapor]

So lucky

[quartz prawn]

same situation as u where top 2 is whales, rest is around my cp, but barely any invested pvp

[keen vapor]

I told you, 2 pros

[quartz prawn]

[keen vapor]

One of them could be also whale, but he whales to decent level since he doesn't do campaign

[quartz prawn]

how to check where they at in campaign?

o nvm scrolled down

[keen vapor]

[quartz prawn]

wtf i was checking ppls profiles, there are 4 whales top 10

[keen vapor]

PVP chefs we have to be prepared

[graceful grotto]

for CA? i'm excited

[graceful grotto]

rookie? or SPA?

[wild badge]

SPA

[graceful grotto]

what's the third team?

[wild badge]

its like a 311k no rl team

[graceful grotto]

oh a CP built team

[wild badge]

yeah I just slotted in a clip rl (Jackal) on my main campaign team and beat it outright

[graceful grotto]

u have scarlet? team wipe team 2 with 2RL (even 3RL would probably work cause that team is slow af)

[wild badge]

nope I am scarletless

yeah that team in the 2nd image is 3 rl

[whole shell]

well I mean... sg against scarjack is a very bad idea

[keen vapor]

Yes, I'm not I don't even have third against pros

[graceful grotto]

if you're running that team, put rumani in pos 1 and centi pos 5

[wild badge]

think of the teams as placeholders

[whole shell]

ah

[wild badge]

they are not what I intend to use

[whole shell]

cindy on that team is weird

[graceful grotto]

team 1 is tricky, scarlet + blanc normally i counter with Noah + noise

[whole shell]

maybe just for cp padding

bay another option too if you have her

[keen vapor]

0% to both

[whole shell]

budget noah

[keen vapor]

A

[whole shell]

just don't put her in P1/P2

[wild badge]

no noah, have noise

[whole shell]

how well invested is noise burst?

no bay either?

[wild badge]

noise is just 4/4/4

[graceful grotto]

i have bay with 2* mlb and i didn't build her lmao

[wild badge]

no bay either

[whole shell]

ooh, yikies

noise is only a soft counter with well invested burst

[keen vapor]

7?

[whole shell]

7 at least

[graceful grotto]

noise at high burst can help survive scarlet's wipe, but scarlet + blanc buff attack later is deadly too

[whole shell]

if you can hit at least 264k on a team then you can take on the 311k cp gapping T3

[wild badge]

yeah that part is no problem, the main problem is making teams that can beat either of the two teams I have here

[whole shell]

are you trying to win all 3?

[wild badge]

no just two

[whole shell]

hm

well T2 looks a bit easier to take on

than T1

[wild badge]

I was thinking of just making a team to maybe eek out the 2nd team with cp advantage and faster rl

[whole shell]

if I had to guess it'd probably be 3.5RL - 4RL

4RL, yeah

[wild badge]

yeah this is the first time almost everyone in my SPA have been somewhat investing / using moran

[whole shell]

if you have a doublebuff aoe nuke that's at least 3RL you can win

since you'll burst before they can access their B1

[keen vapor]

I use Moran

[whole shell]

my moran still unbuilt

[wild badge]

give me a theoretical team that could do this (use any characters in the game)

[keen vapor]

So does mine

[whole shell]

Blanc/Ein/RH/Centi/Jackal(or Rumani should work too I believe, team should be 3RL)

RH is replacable with Liter

[keen vapor]

Why people hate my Moran what else I should do for P1 when I already used Noah biscuit and Jackal

[wild badge]

ok so RH for b1, blanc for dmg taken and ein for aoe and jackal for dmg share

[whole shell]

unless the burst gen diff between jackal and rumani is that high to drop it to like 3.5rl

[quartz prawn]

just wondering, why is blanc and ein pos not switched here?

[wild badge]

I should be able to make a team with cp advantage as well

[whole shell]

jackal will also provide burst gen via her S1 against s.anis

it could be significant enough to push the team to 2.5RL, considering moran is there too

[whole shell]

whenever I use blanc I usually put her in P1 but yeah, Ein in P1 might be better instead

[keen vapor]

Blanc dead

[whole shell]

oh wait I didn't see that you use jackal to win against the cp gap team

[quartz prawn]

yeah with jackal, and ein pos 1, would think faster burst gen bec link.
I sometimes use same team since no built scarlet yet

[whole shell]

sooo that's out of the equation

[wild badge]

nah I can just replace jackal with some other clip rl

[whole shell]

what does the cp gap team look like?

any MG's or high ROF units on enemy team?

[wild badge]

Its Grave / DKW / RH / Alice / Viper

it will never burst

[whole shell]

viper does feed jackal, but maybe not to the point where she'd be completely necessary

hm

[wild badge]

nah I don't it'd be the highest priority

[swift mango]

Noah team isn't even 3rl here. Could try a 2.5rl Cindy to wipe it

[whole shell]

ah yeah, cindy as a nuker

for some reason I forgot about that

[swift mango]

Even 3rl Cindy would do

No way they have 15-20% charge speed on Noah at 200k power right?

[final wedge]

@knotty beacon do u still contact with RAGNA???? cuz....i think his online pattern kinda obvious now and he got knocked to rank 4....prolly cuz of me

[wild badge]

well to be fair, that 2nd image did lose to that 4 rl team before and the team there is 3 rl with ein as a nuke.

[graceful grotto]

ein not able to nuke or Noah burst in time?

[swift mango]

Ein nuke is super weak. Need 2 buff and still weaker than Cindy lol

[wild badge]

I do burst there, but I think the majority of the damage is soaked from immune

[swift mango]

You want fully invest Ein to even be used as nuke in Arena

[graceful grotto]

yeah ein burst does trigger biscuit's passive

maybe cindy would be much better

[swift mango]

Like I said, Ein nuke is super weak. Her after hit also taunted by Noah.

[final wedge]

i still wonder where all those Keripo reviews PIN

[wild badge]

hm ok, I'll try cindy nuke with some buffers

[swift mango]

If you can get to 300k then it's viable to just cp dif team 1.

They would be at 35% deficit.

And only have 25% stat

[wild badge]

is that the threshold for 1 dmg again?

[swift mango]

Not 1 dmg. But they will only have 25% of their stat.

At 35% deficit

[whole shell]

35% deficit is basically hopeless to win against

[wild badge]

yeah that'll work. Main reason my resources are spread thin is because of the 2nd team (that I didn't show) has so much cp

[graceful grotto]

75% stat penalty is wild

[swift mango]

I saw you said you can reach 300k

[wild badge]

yeah I can reach 323 k rn

[swift mango]

Then just auto attack Jackal team

It's 41% deficit

They will only have 10% stat.

190/323=0.588

If they could win that I call you granpa

[whole shell]

at that point I think just one attack from any one of your units will just instakill the enemy team

[wild badge]

well let me see if just make a 300k cp team for the first team and then a 264 k cp team for the 2nd (that's not shown here)

[knotty beacon]

Lol

[swift mango]

You could @. Keripo and ask him for his review yourself

[whole shell]

I can pull it up somewhere

[swift mango]

I wish I could keep chat history from a month ago. I saw that comment back then.

Maybe not a whole month but anyway

[wild badge]

its been done, thanks ya'll

[graceful grotto]

who u use in the end? cindy?

[swift mango]

How do you use your Moran? I'm using her with Cindy.

[swift mango]

It's t3, Jackal team, he just CP dif it

[whole shell]

I can't find the damage calcs bruh

[keen vapor]

The need of high CP lead me to this

[wild badge]

I cp gapped the scarlet team with my campaign team lmao

I also beat their no rl team with this

[graceful grotto]

what's your total CP?

[graceful grotto]

jackal alone carry the burst gen lmao

[wild badge]

yeah that was the idea

[swift mango]

Still pretty low to me.

My Moran Cindy team has 430k lol

[quick lake]

Its pinned
#pvp-arena message

[keen vapor]

1,314,448

[quick lake]

All here

[keen vapor]

I haven't dolled anis tbh

[graceful grotto]

that's decent

[keen vapor]

Scar team is 454k

[graceful grotto]

considering u put anis in it

[final wedge]

Oh lmfao...tyty

[graceful grotto]

my so called CP pad team lol

[keen vapor]

The speed

[quick lake]

Solo raid is up fyi

[swift mango]

Burst with SBS instead

Emilia is weak

Your team CP isn't going to CP gap anyone with decent team. So Emilia won't nuke anyone without buff.

[swift mango]

It's still 3rl

[graceful grotto]

my T2 is Rumani-Biscuit-Cinderella-S.anis-Centi

[wild badge]

the struggle is real

[graceful grotto]

initially i split cindy and s.anis, but kept being attacked by pos 2 lol, so i'm trial and error-ing

[quick lake]

I'll get rank 1 next season once im done figuring out my opponent's attack cycle

[swift mango]

Well, Idk your bracket so it's still possible that your could CP gap with Emillia team. So just want to say that.

Also, you could test in Rookie if Noah could survive P1 until burst....

[wild badge]

ain't no way that's happening for me tho

they're at 1 mil cp and almost 70 levels ahead of me

[quick lake]

deficit battles even more fun

[wild badge]

I know that even if I attack and somehow win, they're just gonna cp gap my team or use gems even if they fail

[graceful grotto]

she survived mainly because noise will taunt some dmg over hahaha, but yeah i'll try sbs instead, emilia just lost anyway

[swift mango]

I think my current bracket is pretty sweaty.

4 guys in the level 300+ with around 1.2m. Me 5th at 1.3m.

1 whale 370+ 1.5+m, one at 349 1.35m

They all have pretty decently invested team to boot. Well, except the whales who only high CP because level difference but still try to use meta team so low on CP.

And there are only 6 slot for C6 but 7 guys.

Even the smaller whale started to get hit down by others guys too. Not just me hitting him haha.

2 CN guys (one whale one normal) avoid hitting each other though.

[quick lake]

I think 20 levels difference is roughly ~200k CP boost

[swift mango]

It's defending on your current level.

[quick lake]

yeah u're right

Looks kinda tough

[oblique magnet]

solo raid, wooo, more doll resources, lol

[swift mango]

Even tougher in lower bracket I think.

All the old face in my C10 stayed but like 7-10 more guys came in. Pretty much pushed some guys C10 before to rank 17-20.

I feel like this isn't a reshuffle for my bracket but 2 whole bracket being merged together.

[quick lake]

yeah, I think someone mentioned something similar

Merged brackets

[oblique magnet]

looking at my top 10, i saw at least 5 different servers

[swift mango]

All guys in my C10 come from different servers

[oblique magnet]

wow, lol

[quick lake]

Different brackets? or different servers?

[oblique magnet]

maybe it was a rank thing, but previously, i only saw like 3 different servers competing for top 10

[swift mango]

Different server. The one for medal

[quick lake]

Ahh yes

Probably some preliminary filtering for CA

[oblique magnet]

i am having some terrible doll luck, lol

[quick lake]

SR doll mats

[loud sonnet]

Btw how was xmaiden blast radius? Is it the same as regular RL?

[quick lake]

yes, hits 2 target as per normal RLs

[keen vapor]

Huh

I just unlocked the new cube and it seems it could help with our P1 dying problem

[quick lake]

Tempering? its good

[swift mango]

Yeah but is it worth it to upgrade over Vigor? Lol

[swift mango]

It's relic assist cubr

[quick lake]

ohh, that cube

[swift mango]

I could spot like 2-3 others guys same server as me in top 100.

[oblique magnet]

wow, maybe they did mash a bunch of servers together, lol

[grizzled bone]

they're there...

[final wedge]

Yea dat need to be pinned tho

[grizzled bone]

they are...

click the first pin and scroll down

[final wedge]

Oh got it tyty

Didnt know its summarized in 1 post now

[grizzled bone]

it was to declutter the pins

[midnight spire]

Help me line up 3 teams for PvP pls!

[pseudo arch]

I need help re building my sp defense team, can you guys please help me create the best possible def with my units

[final wedge]

Guys?? Cindy at pos 1 still can cause miss due to her decoy or is it fix and its a liability now??

I forgot to check dat news when they were fixing SR

[grizzled bone]

she still gets target skipped

[final wedge]

Lmfao...hmm nice...so she is quite safe in pos 1 then...tyty

Im cookin 50:50 Cindy team with 2RL atm since 2RL Scar is so readable

Despite no buffer i hope Lap+ can tenderize some since she will be on pos 4 to avoid getting taunted n debuffed by Noah

[covert lintel]

like this?

[final wedge]

Pos 1 wise...yea...
2RL wise...i doubt dat is 2 RL since i knew Blanc has a low burst gen

My plan is
Cindy Centi Lap+ Rumani Anis

[covert lintel]

i never calculate how fast burst but my RL char has at least 3CS

[graceful grotto]

cindy in pos 1 will feed burst gen to opponent no?

[final wedge]

I put Rumani P4 or P3 swapped with Lap+ later dependin on the result today

[final wedge]

Yea dat comp of urs I think 3RL

[final wedge]

Iirc it can cause a miss due to her decoy...so its not entirely feeding

Since ill be insertin Cindy on P1 with 2RL...im hoping to gamble the entire speed burst against my attacker

Cuz most ppl without calc will think the team with Cindy has 3RL

[graceful grotto]

i mean... a 2RL cindy is very obvious lol

you're slotting all RL clip on her

Noah, Emilia (21%), Jackal, Rumani, Anis, Centi

[final wedge]

Im savin Emi n Jackal on other team

[covert lintel]

and then u will vulnerable to sac cause all RL clip

[final wedge]

Basically no protection on my 2RL Cindy

[covert lintel]

[primal charm]

what is sac pls im dump

[quick lake]

No pls. P1 cindy means 33% more opponent burst gen

[quick lake]

I think it means sacrifice

[glacial lion]

you use someone low lvl pos2, she will die fast > enemies wont get burst gen from splash (from 2nd+ atk) when they atk pos1

[primal charm]

wow now that smart

[glacial lion]

it only work if you has invested ros though, cuz without ros burst gen from dead nikke you also slow cuz only 4 nikke on your side

[random tundra]

he came after you because he tried this 5 days ago

[primal charm]

this is insane isnt it

do you guys buy more chance to attack

[quick lake]

Been testing too many weird comps in rookie

[quick lake]

Gemming is never worth it 💀

[gaunt cypress]

There are two types of people, those who are using gems to learn and the unemployed ones who are always checking pvp every hour.

[primal charm]

im unemphoyed and have to told to myself not care too much about pvp rank lol

[swift mango]

Sacrifice. A team that get their p2 killed quickly to trigger their Rossana s2 and cut RL burst gen by half.

[swift mango]

Actually 50-75% more.

[graceful grotto]

unless you're sniping last second

[swift mango]

Are you a whale who is about 40 level higher than the rest of your bracket?

[final wedge]

LMFAO i thought u never come to maincord

[final wedge]

its diff guy....dat guy failed....and seems like the RAVE guy smell u since u give the win ...so he try his luck with u

now dat ur registered on rookie...i can test my comp

[mint kite]

Thank you. The small changes managed to stymy a bunch of my competitors

[upper grove]

Is maxing OL gear to 5/5 worth it for the stat increase? My campaign only has Alice with 3/4 pieces at 5/5 but I still need to OL my pvp units

[quick lake]

Initial OL +0 is fine and where most of the CP comes from. +5 gear is very expensive and not that much CP increase

[swift mango]

Liter+Crown+Scarlet+Anis+Jackal.

Moran+Pepper+Viper+Cinderella+Noir

Rumani+Folkwang+SBS+RH+Biscuit (this is for defense, can move Rumani to p5 if you attack with this).

[upper grove]

Yeah I'll just OL my pvp units then, lvls will increase my campaign units anyway

[random tundra]

gotta be here for sign in event. just lurking

[random tundra]

no def is perfect. onl true def is cp gap

i beat rave 3-0

[final wedge]

yea...but dat rave guy kinda weird tho...

i lost to him cuz my def is mostly 3 3 2

and he went 4 RL with 2 team

im like....who da fk use 4 RL on 2 team

[random tundra]

his def has privaty. who the fk still uses priv

[final wedge]

i wont bother on dat LMAO

the other 2 is the one dat i lost lmao

i thought my def is higher....turns out he win

didnt u build Moran back on her release?? @random tundra ?

[random tundra]

wasnt me. thats someone else

444 no ol moran

[final wedge]

his 3rd team using Moran is okay but he put Cindy on it...im liek

[random tundra]

i scarjacked it lmao

cant return hp if youre oneshot

[final wedge]

yea its 4 RL 2 teams....priv team is a breeze and the rest is just 1 shot scar jack

[random tundra]

guess it's time to go back to hourly checks. damn DW hit me 16 times in 2 days

[final wedge]

his team gave me the idea for this ....if using Jackal with 17% CS...i think it can reach 2.5 RL.....so it cant be 1 hit shot by Scar and Noah + Moran dmg reduce can reach 22+8 with massive 20% atk n 55% atk from XMaiden n SAnis to Moran....

but i dont have the resources

[random tundra]

[final wedge]

man....dat 99.99$ looks really shiny now....

[random tundra]

pbbbbt

[final wedge]

dont make me swipe

15 days worth of skill mats....i mean...damnit....all my skill mats gone cuz of XMaiden

[random tundra]

is ok i'm not making you, i'm jus tempting you

[final wedge]

im just curious on dat Moran

[random tundra]

probably not invested, though i wouldn't know, he literally died to a scarblancjackal

[final wedge]

Na...he invested it... I lost to it cuz my SAnis dmg + biscuit lifesteal buff cant keep up with him...so his Moran burst shud be around 7 or more to stack up that dmg reduce

[random tundra]

ooof, guess i got lucky then

[final wedge]

Not lucky...its just normal for Moran to lose against scar jack 1 shot

I mean...its 4 RL

Its bound to lose

[random tundra]

maybe he doesn't like bursting

[final wedge]

I would rather hide behind 3 RL team rather than creatin 4 RL team since it is an obvious defeat using 2 RL scar

[covert lintel]

i think mine still faster without ros

[glacial lion]

nice

[primal charm]

nice

[fathom rock]

nice

[quick lake]

nice

[whole shell]

Sometimes for sp

Never for rookie unless I'm trying to send a serious message

[primal charm]

ego battle

[strange linden]

Need advice against these comps

[fathom rock]

I hate how all of these look lost
Avoid the stall comp
Use 2rl cindy noah vs rossana
If you can still run 2rl comp on T3 do so

[fathom rock]

Something like noah/cindy/emilia/centi/rumani
Scarlet/la+/anis/redhood/jackal (jackal feed from noir will make this 2rl)

[strange linden]

Lost on the last one 😢

My Scarlet always dies so quickly

[fathom rock]

Have xanne?

[strange linden]

Ye

[fathom rock]

scar/xanne/rh/anis/jackal

Nah regen too slow

[quick lake]

Thats because your Scarlet isnt linked
RH and Laplace is linked instead

[strange linden]

what no lb does to a mf

[fathom rock]

Oh lmao

[fathom rock]

Yeah just use this

[quick lake]

Its the lack Atk OLs

Day 1 players all running 4x ammo on scar, no atk

Meanwhile Laplace treasure

[fathom rock]

La+ gets too much atk

[strange linden]

her doll is also just SR phase 5

[fathom rock]

that scar sounds like she is doomed by death

[strange linden]

so what should I do instead? does removing la+ solve the issue?

[quick lake]

Need to make sure that Scarlet is top 2 atk

[fathom rock]

Honestly I'm hesitant about that

[quick lake]

So only Scar RH Jackal, other 2 non-attackers

[fathom rock]

Can xanne revived scar nuke everything before blanc burst

[quick lake]

xMaiden fit ls nice there, cause low defender attack

Revived scarlet dmg is nerfed alot. Not recommended

Cause she loses her stacks when revived

[strange linden]

guess I'll waste my rocks on her

[fathom rock]

No, wait

[quick lake]

I rolled ele and ammo away… for atk

[fathom rock]

Even stall comp would die, noah used on T1 already

[strange linden]

tbh, is she even used on pve now? so many units just powercreep her lmao
I can remove ele for more atk (but ammo should still be a must I guess)

[fathom rock]

@quick lake what if sg so that blanc indom centi

[quick lake]

T2, 2RL Nuke
T3, 3-4RL Noah block

[fathom rock]

If his scar can't one-shot sanis and rapu it's over, T2 risky

[quick lake]

T2, 2.5RL Rosanna

Alternatively, Team 1 run Rosanna, and CP Gap the opponent. P1 scarlet without jackal link becomes squish

[fathom rock]

@strange linden rossana built?

[strange linden]

nope

[quick lake]

Hm yeah. I think T1 Rosanna + Laplace + RH (Consider opponent Scarlet is iron weak). No need to burst

T2: If you really want, can 2.5RL Rosanna (sac maybe), but might be tough. Alternatively 2RL nuke

T3: 3.5RL-4RL Biscuit + Noah

[fathom rock]

He doesn't have rossanna built

[quick lake]

Rosanna strat kinda meme so can ignore that

Rosanna doesnt need to be invested. Just put her that to break jackal link.

T1: Laplace RH DPS Rosanna DPS DPS