pvp-arena

[cedar orbit]

Feeding: Noah 4, Rapunzel 2, Cindy 8, Emilia hitting 2 targets, so 8, Biscuit 2. So you do feed at least 24 energy

[bleak shale]

r u dividing by 10

because jackal gives 1 proc every 10 hits

[cedar orbit]

wait, that's crazy

[bleak shale]

u cant just add hits to the gen

[swift mango]

There is also another possibility. His phone/PC was lagging and the enemies team was showed slower than they should be.

This likely is not the case at all though.

[cedar orbit]

any chance it's a positioning bug where a unit gets hit twice because of her?

[swift mango]

Well this is even more crazy

[swift mango]

As you could see. Cindy decoy is right on top of Viper cover here.

So I'm 90% sure it adds one hit to RL shooting at p5.

After watching that video.

[bleak shale]

i dont think thats possible

[swift mango]

There was a bug that her Decoy make the one right of her taking Dmg in PvE mode that just got fixed. We could take reference from that.

[bleak shale]

because when a rocket hits it doesnt matter how big the target is it only registers 1 tick, only seperate targets can take additional damage like cover/parts/terrain

[swift mango]

A RL radius won't be able to reach p3 from p5. But more than possible to reach Cindy decoy which right next to p4 cover.

[bleak shale]

i think the answer is actually her decoy hitbox is weird

[swift mango]

As you could see here. It becomes 3rl with Centi instead of Noah. And Noah hitting 5 Regen more than Centi hitting 4.

[swift mango]

Basically what I said.

[bleak shale]

look here on SBS proc, it hits the decoy with X but no damage popup

likely even from the left

@rich quail

[swift mango]

I don't think you will ever see DMG number showed on decoy.

I don't see any number on the decoy when they burst the whole team down either.

Only cover and nikke are shown number on when damaged

[cedar orbit]

SBS has black SFX, I think the blue X is just Cindy's way of firing

[bleak shale]

theres no blue X on any of cindy's shots

prior to that, and that appears after sbs 2nd proc

[swift mango]

Yes it was SBS hit. But decoy doesn't show dmg number when damaged.

It's normal

[bleak shale]

decoy hits usually show in yellow its just weird sometimes i guess

[swift mango]

Okay my bad

[bleak shale]

but my guess is hitbox issue

theres a chance it can be something else like her s1 activating since its entering burst stage 3 but i dont think it has an animation?

it might be chibi form of this entering b3 stage

[swift mango]

There is also another possibility according to this video.

If you look at the ammo of SBS they enter full burst a little slower than Duck team.

The calculator may just be wrong. It might not take into account SBS 0.3 Sec charge speed and just take normal RL usual charge speed for her gen. So it count her Regen nothing inside the 3-3.5-4 RL

But she may get one in at 3.1RL or something and fill up just enough for the team to burst.

[bleak shale]

sbs values were taken directly from a recording of 0 cs sbs

<- the person who looked at it

[swift mango]

The flaw with the calculator is that it round everything up to 3-3.5-4. Very rarely otherwise. While the value is true, the timing could be easily missed.

[bleak shale]

it doesnt round, it snapshots

[swift mango]

The same thing

[swift mango]

Yeah you spot this on...

Anyway this case might not be something hard like decoy moving hit box or not showing damage.

But maybe just a little CS on SBS did the difference.

[rich quail]

Ah, yeah… heard a little about putting Cindy on p1 and p2

I know firsthand that target skip happens when Cindy is on p1 for me. Dunno if it can be prevented with stat manipulation (charge speed)

[bleak shale]

i dont think its preventable

[cedar orbit]

SBS used up 5 ammo very slightly faster than 3 RL, don't think SBS would make it in time with her 6th shot for 3.18 RL

[swift mango]

Idk if you read my response. But enemies Noah would be very close to burst after 3RL.

A hit from SBS happened in between 3-3.2 could make the team burst like in the video and block Cindy.

This has a very high chance of happening.

The only reason the calculator even showed the team at 3.5 RL while they having full RL team was because they snapshot SBS at 3.5RL in the first place.

Other RL units doesn't hit anything in at 3.5RL (but maybe Noah delayed second shot?)

Anyway, it's likely CS in SBS which made her hit a bit faster. And the calculator only snap shot SBS at 3.5 RL and not her every attack.

[cedar orbit]

if you look at Viper's ammo, SBS fires her 6th shot 1-2 frames before Viper

meaning the SBS's 6th shot didn't contribute

for a 3 RL burst

[swift mango]

Yes, and they weren't 3rl but a little slower. SBS got her ammo back after Duck team entering full burst.

So their team full burst a bit slower. Like 3.1-3.2rl.

SBS skill 2 gains her ammo right when she entering full burst.

[cedar orbit]

no, I meant Viper's 7th shot = SBS's 6th shot

[swift mango]

It could be just your eyes didn't follow

[cedar orbit]

by looking at the energy gen chart, SBS's 6th shot is at 3.5 RL

[swift mango]

That's just as they snap shot it. Likely not the exact moment. Even if it is, with just some CS it's easily becoming 3.1-3.2rl

This is very south already there couldn't be any better explanation.

And it happens all the time

[cedar orbit]

Last frame SBS has 14 ammo, first frame Viper has 6 ammo

[swift mango]

Like I said, they entering burst a little slower than you

[cedar orbit]

what I wanted to show you with the pics SBS's 6th shot just hit the target

Duck's team activates B1 at 3.32 RL

[swift mango]

Then that explained. They hit the 6th shot and the team burst.

[cedar orbit]

at 3.32 RL SBS still only fired 5 ammo

at 5 ammo SBS only generated 13,75 energy

her 6th hit needs to land for a full quantum cube team to have enough energy

and we know SBS fires her 6th shot after 3.32 RL

[swift mango]

Not really, your B1 didn't even burst. The 0.32 count the time the game activate B1 as well.

Your B1 didn't even activate

[cedar orbit]

this is the 1st frame of 3 RL

3 RL start, Cindy shoots twice, by the time SBS releases the shot she needs

Cindy fires 3 shots/sec, so SBS needed at least 0.33 sec to shoot her final shot post 3 RL

but if we just compare the two pictures, SBS shot RIGHT after Viper

[swift mango]

We can't even see SBS ammo in this screen shot.

Cindy need charge time for her first shot as well. So it's normal for her to down 7 bullet at 3rl

[cedar orbit]

it's clearly 14

what is this meaningless arguemt?

Cindy has been pewpewing for 2 seconds

[swift mango]

Cindy at 7th shoots should be exactly 3rl. So what do you even prove with this pic?

45/52 on Cindy.

If SBS hit her 6th shot here then it's before 3.33rl.

[cedar orbit]

Cindy almost made 2 full shots between 3 RL starting at SBS firing her 6th shot

SBS fired her 6th shot at around 3.4 RL

[swift mango]

Again, this has nothing to do with the pic you showed

It should be Cindy at 43/52 ammo then

[cedar orbit]

43 ammo

SBS shooting her 6th shot and Viper shooting her 7th shot for 3.5 RL is like 3 frames away

that SBS has close to 0 CS

if that doesn't convince you, in the 3.5 RL picture you can see SBS's 6th shot landing on Noah and Viper

[swift mango]

Idk about this. They say Cindy shot roundly 3 shots per 1 RL not exactly 3 shots per 1 RL.

And I don't even know what happened before your screenshot as well.

[muted stag]

Is this a win?

My burst too slow now I think?

[cedar orbit]

this is the 1st frame of 3.5 RL, you can see SBS's 6th shot just land. SHe couldn't have charged 3.18 RL if the energy she needed just lands

[lunar dirge]

Maybe overlap of cover+decoy hit?

[covert lintel]

his scarlet probably hurt so much, i don't think u win

[swift mango]

As you could see here. Cindy only at 44/52 as you entering B2. And SBS already 13/19.

Something is seriously wrong with your screenshot.

[lunar dirge]

Noah biscuit

[swift mango]

#pvp-arena message

[lunar dirge]

really rng, but worth trying, depending either on SBS or Rapunzel surviving the nuke

[bleak shale]

i have no clue all ik is i dont trust cindy p3 anymore after that one loss

[muted stag]

Can’t. Burst faster to proc Noah?

[cedar orbit]

his CIndy has bastion on and recovers ammo

[lunar dirge]

Doll level?

SBS should prob survive solo blanc

Especially 2rl one since she'll have 2 stacks at best

[muted stag]

Whose

[lunar dirge]

Sbs and rapu

[muted stag]

Sbs SR lvl 15

Rapu R lvl 15

[lunar dirge]

u good prob

[muted stag]

Can’t use a fast burst noah team huh?

[lunar dirge]

Ain't no way scar will 1 shot SBS with 20% DMG taken debuff only

While at 2 s1 stacks

Especially at 400+ synchro

[swift mango]

Here you could see clearly that Cindy doesn't get her 7th shot off at 3rl, not at all.

[covert lintel]

but that is scarlet core 6

[lunar dirge]

So lost or won? I see SBS alive

[muted stag]

Won

[lunar dirge]

Good

[muted stag]

But barely I won

[swift mango]

Like I said, SBS just shot at 3.2 RL and this would become what happened.

[lunar dirge]

Shouldn't matter too much

[muted stag]

Isn’t there a safer way around it?

[cedar orbit]

don't care about Cindy's ammo, it was a way to show that around 0.5 seconds pass between SBS' 5th and 6th, but it's a bit hard tying it to exact evidence

[lunar dirge]

If this was scar whose nuke critted, u good

[cedar orbit]

exact evidence should be this picture, since B1 was used, so it least 3.32 RL, yet SBS hasn't fired her 6th shot

[swift mango]

You used Cindy ammo as a way to show it. But since Cindy 7th shot isn't 3rl.

Her 9th shot isn't 3.6rl either.

[covert lintel]

i think rosanna sac will be safer

[cedar orbit]

I forfeit Cindy ammo's point, it only works if you check the video, but my other arguments would have gotten through earlier

[lunar dirge]

We don't know his investment

[covert lintel]

oh right

[swift mango]

Your eyes could just trick you.

[cedar orbit]

I think the main argument here is that B1 was used, SBS's 6th shot still not fired

[loud sonnet]

I can only get 1 nikke using gold tickets which one should i pick?
Xmica or Xmaiden?

[swift mango]

It wasn't though. It just started.

[cedar orbit]

it's not B1's effect kicking it, it's using B1

and using B1 is 3.32 RL

[swift mango]

Using it requires you to click on it. Not just it showings up.

[muted stag]

No Rosanna

[cedar orbit]

it's on CD, it was used

[swift mango]

Yeah and many time my B3 showed up just my B2 affect never applied.

As she died

[cedar orbit]

you can see on the calc that there is a difference between you pressing the button and the skill going off

the button was pressed when SBS still had her shot

button pressed is at 0.32 after full charge

[swift mango]

This is very hard to tell. And your pic doesn't help

[cedar orbit]

you see a huge 20 on Jackal's face

[swift mango]

I mean the 20 could move a bit and SBS shot like mili second after your screenshot and it's would still the same result for the match to happened as is.

[covert lintel]

of course xmaiden

or is xmica actually good for pvp?🤔

[cedar orbit]

if it's a milisecond after, SBS is probably nowhere near close to LANDING her shot at 3.18 RL

[loud sonnet]

Buffer

[cedar orbit]

a shot she NEEDS to generate enough energy IF Tia, Biscuit, Jackal and Red Hood all had the quantum cubes

[rich quail]

That’s what I wanna know

[loud sonnet]

But xmaiden has better burst gen than xmica

[cedar orbit]

anyways, that SBS has probably 0 CS

it's just full on cope

[quick lake]

xmica is not too bad. Decent burst gen, slight buff, jackal feed

[cedar orbit]

CS probably doesn't even help SBS, she fires 5 shots by the time others fire twice, despite having 3.3 times as fast charging time. SBS literally spends her life afk-ing in cover

[keen vapor]

Pilgrim next event

[loud sonnet]

Ye thats why i can only get 1

[keen vapor]

Higher burst gen Liter is too niche in PVP tbh

X Maiden has high pressure on P1+battery

Mica is for Nihilister

[quick lake]

There are no good burst gen B1 buffer only xMica

[covert lintel]

i've read on prydwen, she is just alternative. since there is better choice, u should go for xmaiden

[swift mango]

She fire one roundly every 0.73second.

Calculator could just miss a bit here and there because of human input. Sometime 4rl team becomes 3rl. This happened to me often too. Nothing wrong about that.

Especially with unique case like SBS.

If they count

1.2s = 1rl

Then Idk if SBS 5th shot would be hitting at 3rl if they count one shot 0.73s as 5 shot = 3.65s

So her 5th shots could trigger the 3RL to happen not 6th.

And Idk what else they use. So whatever.

It could also be Cindy fault.

[cedar orbit]

all I'm saying, I can count 2 frames between SBS firing her 6th shot and Viper's 7th shot, 3 RL and I could count at least 20 frames between SBS' 6th shot and Viper's 6th shot

[swift mango]

But I would just put this on Calculator fault because they have failed me a few times before even with CS already taking into account.

Then again, there is also rocket whisked and position change. But Idk how they would count in this fight.

[cedar orbit]

I mean, the calculator doesn't even factor in rocket traveling time SMH

lesson learnt is that it's better to just take your Cinderella bodypillow and go to sleep

[quick lake]

Spread sheet gaming can only go so far

~~lesson dont use SBS ~~

[swift mango]

Maybe they did. RL charge time is 1s. And 1rl is 1.2s right? So rocket traveling time is 0.2sec.

Idk.

[quick lake]

I dont think calc takes into account rocket travelling time or animation time

[swift mango]

I will just take the team as how they work and not worrying about what calculator show.

Only worry about it before I confirm it. But after I know a team burst speed with my eyes I will just save it to use again.

It's very easy to check if Duck opponent team is naturally 3rl or not.

Just fight it again. Without Cindy and Noah p5.

Theoricrafting be damned if you can't check it with another fight.

If they removed Cindy and put Noah p1 with biscuit and the enemy's team is still 3RL then that's it's natural speed. And SBS, or CS or calculator is at fault.

Otherwise, it's Cindy decoy be at fault.

[kindred tinsel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1273933998762229845/1312830506404151378/6699EFFE8916DD787DE0C3F0C34A2288.gif

[restive heart]

investment issue i guess

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1038507051216810016/1315825079699116052/A35DE2E8C99297B1BD0B034E549D6778_0.gif

[swift mango]

Xmica is b1 while XMaiden is b3. You can't burst without using a b1.

While Xmica is a bit worse than Clip SG she offer a small buff to attack. Around 40% self atK buff for whole team at max level. Pepper doesn't offer that. Neither does Rumani.

Other B1 that buff doesn't come close to her Regen.

But this is a very niche usage for when you need a 2rl team...

And want some buff in b1 as well. She needs max investment on S2-3 and dolls though so... I would rather build Rossana.

Before even think about Mica

[keen vapor]

Mica

[kindred tinsel]

so mica is useful

[keen vapor]

I wonder if chime will have high burst gen, CDR and attack

[hazy shore]

If crown is mg then chime is smg

[keen vapor]

SMG with 11% attack for basic attack

[muted stag]

Anyone able to cook this team? Noah biscuit team burst too slow

[keen vapor]

Yeah, that's Scar 2 RL

[quick lake]

Need 2.5RL Noah to counter i think

[keen vapor]

I commonly use
Noah/Biscuit/Emilia/Anis or Rumani/Rapunzel
for 2 RL Noah

[muted stag]

Emillia is 21% CS without S1?

[keen vapor]

Is with skill 1

[keen vapor]

But mine isn't 21

[muted stag]

Barely survive but if crit will die

[muted stag]

Mine is 21 with S1

[muted stag]

Won’t anis burst faster than rumani?

I’m using this for the other team so probs have to use Anis

[quick lake]

Man, needing double buffed scarlet sucks

[muted stag]

I don’t think redhood is needed there tbh

Just playing safe and also my redhood has highest CP

[quick lake]

My RH buffed Scarlet can no longer one shot

[keen vapor]

If you use quantum 7 on Emilia and Rumani they make it to 2RL

Anis does not require quantum

[quick lake]

Need Blanc or xanne

[muted stag]

I can’t even win the top 2 people in my bracket

[keen vapor]

Rumani does buff damage (a little) tho

[quick lake]

Once ur opponents at sync 481+ 💀

[muted stag]

I’m 441 synchro Rank 1 is 500 Rank 2 and 3 is 470+

I’m always fighting rank 3 and dropping to 6

[quick lake]

Yeah, I think sync 470 still can single buffed scarlet

[muted stag]

I’m 441

[quick lake]

Tanky opponents

[keen vapor]

It should be Centi and not Rumani there

[muted stag]

Why?

Isn’t rumani burst faster

[keen vapor]

So you can put RH in P4 and be safe against target skip for enemy SG feed

[keen vapor]

No, Rumani is the slowest clip RL (still faster than SG clip)

Centi is better

[muted stag]

then isnt centi beyter here as well

compared to rumani

[upper grove]

Suddenly they start hitting again after a week of nothing happening

[keen vapor]

↑

No, Centi defense debuff is not useful

And it won't proc anyways

But use Anis if you like it

[muted stag]

For PvP emillia need 10/10/7?

[muted stag]

My anis only 1 piece OL sadly

[keen vapor]

I use triple seven

[muted stag]

I see mine is 7/10/7 idk why probs cause of SR back then

[keen vapor]

Then Rumani :deadge:

[muted stag]

Ok

[keen vapor]

Remember, quantum at 7

On both Emilia and Rumani

[muted stag]

Ok

My quantum always on centi jackal emillia rumani tbh since I don’t use anis

[covert lintel]

maybe they are defending their spot for a week

[upper grove]

Could be the case. I don't bother getting rank 1, because that's being contested every other day by rank 3 4 and 5

Even though my attacks would work easily, not worth making myself a target like 4 days ago

[glad spindle]

can maiden ice babe buff cinderella in pvp?

[chilly furnace]

She can surely

[glacial lion]

Anyone has problem with enemies always prio emi from 2nd shot in 5 rl/sniper team?

[keen vapor]

I think that happens to me with my 2 RL Noah team, but I get the battle pretty much over by then so....

[keen vapor]

Have you tried moving Emilia to different position?

[glacial lion]

Yes, doesnt work

[keen vapor]

Huh

[final wedge]

fkn hell my SPA so active since I failed to def now...some1 broke my def after so long with 2 team dat has 4 RL

and i lost my PVP matrix on what to use so i can derive my opp the least chance to win for all 3 team

[limber patrol]

The guy I'm fighting with attacks back every 10 minutes no matter at what time I attack. It's annoying

[final wedge]

my rank 2 is like dat as well...i used to troll him by attacking at 1 AM aka 2 hr before reset just to troll him

but i got bored now

I even not poking my rank 1 on last sec anymore for over months now since i got bored

seems like ive been slacking off in SPA

n get punished for it

frkn CA news also one of the trigger dat they aim for me now since im on rank 3

I really want to try this....I wonder if my 21% CS Jackal can replace Emilia 21% and get the same 2.5 RL......

Assuming im fighting 2 RL fast burst Scar....i think im quite close in triggering Noah burst to counter it to make it 50:50

even the rest is ded....I wonder if XMaiden n SAnis buff can make Moran dmg high enuf to kill the rest

[quick lake]

Nah, idts. Moran dmg really shit

xmaiden buff is also really small iirc

[final wedge]

oh yea she is a defender lol....

[quick lake]

Its like a 13% attacker atk buff. Its okay, but probably not enough to tip the scales

[quick lake]

Can try ur Jackal21 and let us know take vid plz

[final wedge]

XMaiden give 20% of her ATK + 55% ATK from SAnis tho....i know Defender only have 80% ATK of an attacker....but....demn i wish I invest on Moran

[final wedge]

i havent try her yet...still cookin on Centi...cuz the only viable strat i can make is Scar Blanc RH Centi Jackal to trick my opp for 3RL instead 2.5RL.....and idk WHYDAFK 5 rocks wont roll me above 3% CS today

[quick lake]

I think if u replace Jackal21, you're slightly off 2.5RL. Like 98.XXX. Top off 1-2 more quantum cubes in theory should hit 2.5 RL

[final wedge]

srsly...everytime i didnt hoard rocks...i always get bad roll

[quick lake]

Defender is 4/6 attack of attacker

[final wedge]

i think ill test it on Thursday....i gotta win my Rookie arena 1st today

[final wedge]

naaa...i remember skyjlv said its roughly 80% atk out of an attacker....while support is 90% iirc....4/6 of an attacker atk point is just too crazy

or else i wouldnt C7 Cindy if it is 4/6 atk of an attacker

[quick lake]

Defender atk is 4/6 of normal attacker; supporter is 5/6 atk of normal attacker

[final wedge]

fudge me

[quick lake]

Maybe if you add OL, the difference might not be so big..?

Idk, higher sync, OL stats worth less

[final wedge]

dem....i think i need to dig dat as well...

didnt know the base is 4/6

[quick lake]

Everything pinned

Defender HP is 1.22x of atker, supporter is 1.11x of atker HP

thats about it

[final wedge]

goddamit...i shudve search it myself instead of watchin utube

[quick lake]

Moran with 4x atk is pretty nutty. She self heals alot

Next on my to do list

[final wedge]

i plan to roll her atk too on all 4 tho....considering i got pretty much time till next SR....i think i can do it....but i might be failing on upcoming SR on Jan 2025

[lunar dirge]

Not 80,but 66%, supports have around 80

[covert lintel]

my opponent in previous spec arena even 24hour watching
so i trolled him to atk 10seconds before reset to make him pay 100gem every 2 day

[thorn pagoda]

if they waste 300+ gems just to stay in the top 3, they lose out even more so they deserve it

[tribal nebula]

Hello PvP experts, I have a little problem keeping in third place on my server. Do you have any ideas for teams to beat this guy? (I don't have xAnne and Rumani)

Thx in advance 😉😊

His third team is too high in CPs ...

[covert lintel]

for f2p sure, but i think he doesn't care about gems since he always topup
so he didn't know my intention

[gentle pumice]

which is more preferable for RLs in terms of burst speed? Adjutant or Quantum cube?

[quick lake]

Quantum better

[vapid lake]

I have $200USD to spend on nikke now

what do

[quick lake]

Why ask in pvp chat

[vapid lake]

idk

[quick lake]

Idk, which packages are the most worth while

[vapid lake]

feel like if i'm gonna spend some money might as well make it so that it helps me get ahead of my bracket a bit

[quick lake]

Campaign packs, monthly packs iirc most worth it

[vapid lake]

you sg too right

[quick lake]

how u know 👀

[vapid lake]

because a lot of SEA server ppl are sg

[quick lake]

Im in Global server

[vapid lake]

nikke is what im choosing to spend the NS credits on

[quick lake]

Wait what HAHAHAH

Time to go redeem

[vapid lake]

maybe i just buy 10 months of the 30 day supply

[quick lake]

Yeah, monthly gems/packs still the most worth it

I see u typing blood!

[swift mango]

I'm sorry. I was being stupid and made long wrong discussion. So didn't see your question. Maybe use Rumani instead of Rapunzel if you want to be sure of hitting 2rl.

But they have Blanc so I'm not sure if you would win.

[vapid lake]

my bracket's starting to heat up so i need to resume investing in pvp again after NY pilgrim

have a feeling the CA announcement got everyone riled up

same as valco bracket

[quick lake]

Im probably gonna rank 4-6 this season

[vapid lake]

i might just drop rank because of the sheer number of people punching up all of a sudden too

[swift mango]

So you gem it once huh?

Good luck gemming again

[vapid lake]

i converted into money spender, no longer f2p, so time to start gemming

[swift mango]

It's more about principle I guess. The CN whale in my bracket never gem. But he has another CN help him when he loses his spot

[vapid lake]

i jk i'll stop gemming its just today i'm high

for some reason

i acted without thinking

[swift mango]

I feel like the poorer you are the more you have tendency to gem.

I gem once 2 days ago I think. The dude who keeps hitting me instead of the CN whale also spent 100 gen a day just to be hit down to c9.

The rich guys won't gem but poor guys will gems more base on inferiority complex.

Self burn I know but it is what it is.

[quick lake]

CA soon, fix that pvp itch

[vapid lake]

october 2025

[swift mango]

2027

[quick lake]

[swift mango]

When Noah is given out for free after 5 years into the game and got powercreep

Maybe they would do one rerun banner of her one month before that.

[quick lake]

Did we have a unit selector last NY?

Hmm, i think it was 141 only

[swift mango]

They said it was around 7k gem or sth

Just Google it

141 is for spare body

[quick lake]

Ahh

I think I used my selector on Marciana

[vapid lake]

pilgrim selector this year?

[swift mango]

Maybe the including Noah at most. Or add in Isabel top.

[vapid lake]

i'd pick OG scar over redhood

unironically

[swift mango]

Not happening

[quick lake]

I want emilia

[swift mango]

Best they would do is

Isabel, Harran, Noah

[quick lake]

Lets see how generous SU will be

[swift mango]

Or not even Noah

Likely no Pligrim like last year if I'm being realistic.

[quick lake]

Surprise Noah banner on CA release, trust

[tribal nebula]

Can this type of team work ?

I doubt for the second team

[quick lake]

First team dies, second team win

Team 1 scarlet gets completely
blocked by Noah

[swift mango]

T1 Scarlet likely ded before burst as well.

T2 could also lose if Emilia doesn't deal enough dmg.

But t1 could win if they killed Noise before they burst.

[quick lake]

Oh yeah, not jackal link

[swift mango]

T1 likely lose. Unless, Noise taunt override Noah and Scarlet kill Noise, unlikely though, if it's Laplace in p2 then more chance for that.... Also win if Laplace kill Biscuit and Scarlet not ded before burst.

T2, has a high chance of winning but if Emilia not deal enough dmg then you could lose.

[swift mango]

I would try to swap Centi with Jackal at least.

Or attack the other team.

[tribal nebula]

Ok thx Blood i will try

I lose all 😅

Need more CP i guess

[final wedge]

LMFAO...i did dat to my rank 1 as well...but i get bored

[dusty cairn]

https://nikke.gg/maiden-ice-rose-pvp-focus-review-analysis-guide-and-best-teams/#Maiden_Ice_Rose_as_a_Main_B3 worth building laplace to use with Maiden BR for PVP or not?

[final wedge]

Worth A LOT

the reason I MLB her is cuz of she can do both bossing for SR and PVP

great burst gen and support.....and a defender as well....good to guard pos 5 as a buffer to SAnis or Scarlet

guys...need opinion for my 3rd team for mass DPS on DEF team....2 RL with Rumani or 2.5 RL with Soda?

problem with Rumani is dat all my DPS will attack P1 and P2....nothing attack the back despite being 2 RL.....but if I put Soda by sacrificng 0.5 RL...i can hit P5 when defending

[quick lake]

You need 2 invested SG units to actively take out P5. 1SG aint gonna do much

[final wedge]

dem...ur right

fk me...back to cookin another draft again

[quick lake]

No perfect defence team, just gotta take the L

[graceful grotto]

defense with rh b3 burst? it's easily countered though

why not use emilia's burst?

[compact lintel]

can someone help me with my 2nd team? am I chalked?

[swift mango]

2rl Emilia Noah? That just ask them to win with another 3rl Noah.

[graceful grotto]

if it's in SPA, a Cinderella Team + Scarlet Team + Emilia Team, meanwhile they can only do Noah on one team

[final wedge]

idk if my Emilia is water...not much water weak...while RH can easily dealt massive dmg to elec from Moran, Rosanna, Scarlet, Noise, XMaiden, Biscuit....

im thinkin if the opp is using massive def strat 4 RL....they gonna use Moran, Biscuit, Noise, Cindy....so...with RH + Lap....i was hoping to counter the elec early

[swift mango]

You have Anis no?

Can just

Crown+Neon+Anis+Cinderella+Noir

[swift mango]

Well, they can do 3rl Noah to beat a 2rl team.

So they can do 2rl team to wipe another team.

Red hood could be the same but some peeps would fear the Noah+RH combo especially if they don't have pvp units built.

It's a weird world

[graceful grotto]

true, but normally i fear emilia + noah + laplace (T)

cause if i drag the burst, laplace (T) can nuke out many of my team

[quick lake]

No solved SP defence. Closest maybe
2.5RL Noah
2RL Scarlet
Giga sustain

[final wedge]

Laplace normal atk with 4 elem on her is very devastating for elec unit...so im counting on her to ditch elec unit as early as i can along with Emi....and to counter this...the opp gotta sacrifice Biscuit, Noah or Blanc placed on P3

i kinda remember faintly why I craft this before as in for dat purpose....but i cant remember the rest

[swift mango]

There is also the fact that Red sometimes shoot everywhere if not taunt.

[final wedge]

yea im counting on dat 50:50 as well

cuz defending can be a real annoyin sometimes

[swift mango]

Making people without Moran+Biscuit shit their pants.

[final wedge]

i rather gamble 50:50 than being countered 100%

[swift mango]

And not many build Moran.

[final wedge]

sadly the one dat drag me to rank 6 is building her

how I envy him.....and he is not even building XMaiden....made me piss even more

[swift mango]

I mean XMaiden can be 4-7-4 I guess. Not too expensive

[final wedge]

got 0 upgrades for gear and 0 rocks atm....it will take me a whole month to build Moran....let alone im looking for 4 atk roll on her

[final wedge]

ikr

[swift mango]

4atk roll on Moran? Not really needed her ATK is abysmal anyway. Just need ASS to buff her.

[final wedge]

i wanna try Moran being boosted by XMaiden 20% ATK and SAnis 55% ATK and see if Moran can kill if those 2 even ded

[graceful grotto]

moran dps is an interesting take

[final wedge]

oops...XMaiden n SAnis misplaced

Moran dmg reduce and Noah gonna stack around 30% as well in total....so kinda balanced both def n attk

[graceful grotto]

how's xmaiden as a dps in pvp tho? quite curious

haven't test her out

[final wedge]

XMaiden only support...sry dat was a misplaced....XMaiden shud be on pos 4 and SAnis on pos 3

[swift mango]

Someone on this chat test her out a few days ago, pretty good.

A Faster RH, Alice that can be biscuited.

[final wedge]

its very rare to have a buffer dat can buff upon entering B1...and XMaiden is one of em

[swift mango]

Was this tested? Last time I think she could buff on B1 other said she couldn't.

The wording on her s2 is different

Recover vs Replenish

[final wedge]

oh wait...ur right....wtf

i checked on shooting arena...when burst 1 pop....MP gain by 1 from 0...but the buff is not given....

ffs...turns out need FB afterall to trigger XMaiden buff

[lunar dirge]

recover and replenish are 2 different words for a reason

so no buff on b1 forus

[final wedge]

i feel tricked

[lunar dirge]

don't worry,i thought xmaiden will always do 1 hit at burst even when on 0 stacks

so i get it

[bleak shale]

the reason is they wanted to scam us

[lunar dirge]

elysion can't become too strong

that's why they busted xguillo's kneecaps

[compact lintel]

hmm? neon?

[lunar dirge]

ain't no way you advise neon at 300+ synchro

[lunar dirge]

pick any of these:

scarlet blanc rh centi jackal
rumani anis cinderella emilia21 noir/xmaiden
noah noise s.anis biscuit rapunzel
Scarlet/Blanc/Laplace+/Red Hood/Jackal
Noise Rumani SBS Bay Biscuit
blanc/emilia/rh/xmaiden/b.soda

try to do something at least similar to those

[compact lintel]

alot of these nikkes i already use on my 1st and 3rd team

lemme open nikke rq

[drifting hazel]

I won that

How the hell he has that much CP at only 236 synchro

[lunar dirge]

expected against 2 mg's,even at thise deficit

[lunar dirge]

core 4 elegg,core smth mw,mlb crown,all prob ol'd too

[drifting hazel]

Must be

[compact lintel]

this is my 1st n 3rd

[lunar dirge]

p4 noah is brick

[compact lintel]

is that a good thing or?

[lunar dirge]

it's bad

if she taunt any of rl units with her auto,she give your enemy extra burst gen

[compact lintel]

but for some reason i always won with that team

well, until recently

[drifting sandal]

hi everyone, i was wondering if you guys could help me build a team or edit my current team? all i want is a team that can keep me at diamond 10 so i can earn 800 gems every season. thank you so much!

[kindred tinsel]

hard to tell what units is more invested here but youll want units who defend and absorb dmg while also getting to burst fast as possible

defense
t1 scarlet (better if shes on p1) blanc liter laplace (treasure) jackal

t2 noah rapu biscut ssanis cindy

t3 sbs centi rh noir noise

attack is more flex so ask if want a counter here

based on your level ion think itll be much work staying dia

[keen vapor]

Knowing what units should be above most likely Laplace doesn't have treasure

Else I can't buy the fact that Sugar and Drake have more CP than treasure Laplace

[keen vapor]

So, other players in your bracket are like in 370 synch?

[drifting sandal]

Some of them even lower than that but insanely powerful. But all of them not over 350

[keen vapor]

~~Woah, both summer Anis and Cindy that's brick speed 4RL ~~

Yeah.... 50 level diff is hard ....

Specially with uninvested units

[drifting sandal]

Ah, thank you so much man

[keen vapor]

No Emilia?

[drifting sandal]

Ye, sadly no

[keen vapor]

It's so over :deadge:

[drifting sandal]

I can be flexible between attack or defense so you can give some references on both

[kindred tinsel]

whats a team you cant beat right now

[fathom rock]

@keen vapor how to fix

[fathom rock]

All teams have a counter

[kindred tinsel]

tru

im asking because he prob could just auto into dia

[keen vapor]

Doll R15 every unit in your (meta) teams and overload

That's what I do

Well, my anis isn't dolled yet

[kindred tinsel]

is it me or my opponent teams seem more easier than before

im looking like 1 and 3

aint no way

[fathom rock]

T3 looks like it will get cindy nuked
T2 just loses
T1 should win

[drifting sandal]

Oh..

[fathom rock]

4 at a time

[drifting sandal]

My bad

[kindred tinsel]

i keep underestimating cindy

[fathom rock]

Enemy having xanne tho
Pvp bricked

[drifting sandal]

This fella

[kindred tinsel]

1-3 looks easy

[keen vapor]

Don't attack with 3 teams

[keen vapor]

That's right

[kindred tinsel]

i started to again to get more data on my team comps

[drifting sandal]

Ye in that case, I need to fix team 3 or 2 cuz those two teams failed

[keen vapor]

Rookie not good enough to test?

[fathom rock]

@keen vapor would I 2rl

[kindred tinsel]

whats rookie again

[kindred tinsel]

not much is needed to beat this

team 1 seems to lack burst gen most mg on team

and team 3 you prob beat on brute dps alone

here

[restive heart]

just noah biscuit this team

[fathom rock]

And have nothing for T3

[restive heart]

whats your t3?

[restive heart]

whats t2?

[keen vapor]

3 RL

[fathom rock]

Hell that I don't wanna attempt

[copper creek]

lol

[keen vapor]

I would

[fathom rock]

You would be found dead in a ditch

[restive heart]

noah-biscuit-sAnis-Rapunzel-Cindy vs t1
scarlet-blanc-redhood-centi-jackal vs t3

[fathom rock]

I DON'T HAVE SCARLET

[keen vapor]

Deadge

[fathom rock]

Mpriv work?

[keen vapor]

Rei it is

[copper creek]

that t2 is 3rl anyway

[fathom rock]

Rei burst regen 🚮

[copper creek]

just icbm it

[fathom rock]

And watch as indom rh solo me

[keen vapor]

I said Rei it is :pepeh:

[restive heart]

noah-biscuit-sAnis-Rapunzel-Laplace vs t1
Cindy-blanc-redhood-centi-jackal vs t3?

[copper creek]

-> t2 <-

[fathom rock]

Blanc would die

[fathom rock]

ohhh

[keen vapor]

Cindy won't get indom

Stop doing unauthorized cooking

[frozen nebula]

What team can counter Noah/Biscuit/Emilia/RH/Rapunzel? I tried Scarlet nuking with Rosanna but it doesn't work.

[restive heart]

blanc-emilia-redhood-biscuit-jackal

[keen vapor]

Yeah, that

[fathom rock]

[keen vapor]

Huh?

[restive heart]

idk what is bro cooking

[frozen nebula]

I barely survived. Thanks.

[keen vapor]

I think biscuit will die and then SBS breaks through

[restive heart]

you dont have anne @fathom rock ?

[fathom rock]

Not yet

[restive heart]

[keen vapor]

Soon™

[keen vapor]

How to use Anne?

[fathom rock]

And you also have to play around cp penalty

[fathom rock]

Moran won't tank?

[keen vapor]

There's splash damage, remember

[fathom rock]

Yeah but 10 sec indom should be enough to have enemy team ded

[restive heart]

your enemy is at 400k cp at lvl 307. investment issue

[fathom rock]

It most definitely is
I need ol on my pvp units

[keen vapor]

It won't be 10s, it will be 5 but started before burst

So you will lose

[fathom rock]

I thought moran was tanky

[swift mango]

Well, that work so he could add Crown for CP pad

[keen vapor]

It will be fine if it was high invested Moran against RH

[fathom rock]

[swift mango]

If you already have 2 team then just auto the third. SMH.

[keen vapor]

That's not economic.... But yes?

[fathom rock]

My acc isn't economic either

[keen vapor]

Why you don't invest properly

[swift mango]

How high would that be?

I don't see how moran could survive RH burst without biscuit or Lv gap.

[keen vapor]

No less than x/7/7 for sure prob 10 10

[swift mango]

Or Blanc

[kindred tinsel]

here try this

t1
noah noise ssanis centi noir

t3
biscut liter redhood jackal anis

[keen vapor]

She gains a ton of HP

[swift mango]

That's doesn't make much difference. Die in 1 sec vs 1.3 sec at most

[fathom rock]

@copper creek

Why did I trust that statement

[drifting sandal]

OK

[keen vapor]

Biscuit and no Liter in P1 either

[kindred tinsel]

i do wonder if jackal from t1 would be enought to beat this team i did testing in rookie seems fine though not many burst gen units in your roster im curious how youll do in t2

[keen vapor]

Unauthorized cooking will get bonked

[kindred tinsel]

fix my dish then

[swift mango]

I guess you Emilia need more charge speed lol or put her in p3

[fathom rock]

I WAS TOLD 21% IS ENOUGH

[swift mango]

You won so that's no prob

[fathom rock]

I won by not facing the cindy comp and ditching icbm entirely

[swift mango]

What is Icbm stand for, I keep seeing this phase.

[keen vapor]

T1
Noah/Noise/Summer Anis or Scarlet Alter/Biscuit/Rapunzel
T2
Skip by using one unit alone in P1
T3
Scarlet/Blanc/Centi/RH/Jackal

Please confirm teams combat power before trying

[keen vapor]

Blanc Emilia

[drifting sandal]

Ok got it

[keen vapor]

ICBM is intercontinental ballistic missile

[swift mango]

Bruh
Thanks

[fathom rock]

I find it funny that I come to this chat just to cook for myself

[keen vapor]

I don't use emi 21

[kindred tinsel]

food came out nice

[keen vapor]

@kindred tinsel fixed

[kindred tinsel]

wait

stay right here i have more you

[drifting sandal]

Don't worry, im playing on mobile so gonna take a while to get in game

[swift mango]

She does but not enough to beat RH max investment.

She could tank 1-2 second most.

[keen vapor]

You sure about that

[swift mango]

Very

Need Biscuit for that

RH is Iron as well

[fathom rock]

[keen vapor]

if I didn't had to invest 3 units this month I would have invested Moran already

[keen vapor]

That true

[swift mango]

My Moran with lv7 burst and some DEF line + Purple doll just ded to RH in one shot. Lets say, 10-10-10 and max OL Moran is 3 times more tanky, it won't stand more than 2 sec.

[copper creek]

this is not icbm
i didnt know u were using blanc on t1, i was counting on an indom emilia to deal with sanis lol

[fathom rock]

[copper creek]

icbm = intercontinental ballistic missile
blanc/emi/rh

got the name because 2 buff emilia f-s up everything and the indom'd emilia acts like the shockwave after the explosion

[fathom rock]

[copper creek]

usually blanc/emi/rh/biscuit/centi

[swift mango]

I know the team it stands for just not the words it's stand for. Thanks for details explanations though. 👍

[keen vapor]

Emi nuke

[drifting sandal]

[copper creek]

whoever comes up with names for pvp teams are usually perverts

[fathom rock]

Yeah I've seen al pvp names before

[strong hull]

[keen vapor]

So, you confirmed combat power with yourself

[drifting sandal]

[keen vapor]

Keripo....

[copper creek]

u can see how we became degenerates

[fathom rock]

Does no one legit know?

[copper creek]

know what

[fathom rock]

If this wins or not

[keen vapor]

I'd summer anis this, but Emilia is fine

[copper creek]

its rookie, try it

that comp is investment question
if your emi lives to burst and gets indom, u get it

[drifting sandal]

@keen vapor hopefully nothing will change from now till tomorrow, so I can get 800 gems

[fathom rock]

Emilia died so fast wtf

[keen vapor]

Now, the next targets who are they

[drifting sandal]

Alr, I'll be back

[keen vapor]

You didn't dolled her

[fathom rock]

She has Sr doll

[copper creek]

sr0?

[keen vapor]

Level 5?

[fathom rock]

0

[copper creek]

that would explain it

[fathom rock]

@keen vapor your cook "worked"

[keen vapor]

YOU ARE INEFFICIENT

[compact lintel]

aaa, alright

[keen vapor]

By summer anis, I mean Noah Noise comp actually ☝️

[copper creek]

... thats an interesting sanis comp

is that laplace +'d?

[keen vapor]

Always trust your personal chef

[fathom rock]

Yes I rushed her first

[copper creek]

r u on deficit why does she hit like wet noodle

[fathom rock]

I am not on deficit

20k cp diff in 400k territory

[kindred tinsel]

lets gooo

[drifting sandal]

I think I'll come back tomorrow, cuz it's pretty late where I live

[fathom rock]

[keen vapor]

Surely nothing happens in the next 4 hours previous to reset

[fathom rock]

Is that even 4rl

[kindred tinsel]

@keen vapor my hard work paid off

[keen vapor]

Cindy..... Yeah, not even 4 RL

[keen vapor]

unauthorized

[fathom rock]

Emilia sac

[keen vapor]

Deficit :deadge:

Biscuit will die

Retro, I'll be honest with you

My Blanc is higher CP than Crown :deadge:

[fathom rock]

[fathom rock]

Your blanc is not 97k

[keen vapor]

[fathom rock]

You are lv321, your units should hit 100k

[keen vapor]

Huh, so Cindy's Decoy absorb Naga hits :novel noted:

[keen vapor]

I'm still 312

Guess I'll go 21 now that I hate this c20 stages

[fathom rock]

Box up and beat nihil

[swift mango]

Both team 5rl and your team would lose the normal attack shot out

[fathom rock]

#pvp-arena message

[swift mango]

Okay you used Biscuit. I missed it.

Biscuit is normal attack queen

[bleak latch]

battle of Xmaiden and Rapunzel

[cedar orbit]

defense is actually real

[keen vapor]

[glacial lion]

Rapun can heal 9m+ hp in 5s fight

[keen vapor]

Yeah but your synch +450

Also, she's bursting, of course she does

[swift mango]

Congrats.

Now welcome to the game of changing Defense everyday..

[glacial lion]

Nice, 2sac work without xanne

[swift mango]

So you saved your 2 attack to now and used both?

[tropic summit]

don't get used to it, it works when it holds for more than 3-4 attempts

[swift mango]

It's better to have 2 working teams and switch often so they don't have time to figure out but it's hard to do so....

When I have Jackal it would be better I guessm

People would give up easier when placing meta team... Rather than just keep hitting me until they figure it out.

[kindred tinsel]

keep rotating team order now

[swift mango]

This does works sometime for me before. Idk if it's still effective now though..

[kindred tinsel]

idk ppl keep make small team revisions on me maybe that better

[tropic summit]

rotating is good as long as you don't accidentally make it easier for the enemy, in general it's a good rule of thumb to keep the current setup and only change it once it loses once

worse case scenario you actually make a comp where the opponent has now more counters than before

[cedar orbit]

why are you guys pretending defense actually matter

[tropic summit]

on the other hand changing it everytime doesn't allow learning patterns as easily, but it does have its risks

[cedar orbit]

every team gets hard countered by something

[tropic summit]

assuming the opponent knows what he's doing yeah

[cedar orbit]

just run Rosanna into Jackal

[swift mango]

Not everyone in arena know how to counter a new team. Many don't come here and find guides to read.

Or similar sites.

[tropic summit]

the newb me who thought jackal with emma was a solid unkillable team... until I actually got informed

Good times

[whole shell]

sure, but the point of defense is to weed out the people who don't know how to actually counter teams

I'm not just gonna go "woop de doop defense doesn't matter, all R units"

[swift mango]

Emma was pretty strong in a newbie team though....

[tropic summit]

yeah, in rookie and until ppl got scarlet, was my very first team ever

[swift mango]

I think she would still counter Rossanna now if someone put her in defense without Jackal...

[whole shell]

imagine pvp without jackal

whole new timeline

[cedar orbit]

I think Biscuit and Noah are way bigger issue than Jackal

[keen vapor]

Issue?

[swift mango]

It's me for 9 months now

[kindred tinsel]

man i need to try other units than meta i dont know how good a rossanna comp is really

[keen vapor]

So that's why you do so bad at PVP....

[tropic summit]

plus without noah

[keen vapor]

At least we getting selector soon

[kindred tinsel]

bricked

[tropic summit]

so we can finally get emilia? /s

[whole shell]

lmao

[swift mango]

I doing fine enough... Not like people in my bracket could drop me under c6

[tropic summit]

CA will come, that's where you'll have to whether you want it or not

[keen vapor]

Champion

[swift mango]

My Cope Bay team is actually scoring quite a few a few defense win now that it takes off. So I don't need Noah.

[tropic summit]

good ol cheerleading

[swift mango]

The low peeps in my bracket finally figured my Emilia after months of beaten by it... So I had to switch team for awhile so they forget...

I would be doing much better if I could get some charge speed on the last 2/4 of my RL... So I'm saving for 100 rocks for that now....

[kindred tinsel]

mmmm rocks

[swift mango]

For now I have to keep rotating so people mistake which of my team has 2.6RL speed and lose with a 3rl one...

Doesn't help against people actually invested in CS though...

[kindred tinsel]

i wonder when next update comes theyll make a announcement where the top 50 in the bracket gets early access to CA

[swift mango]

Id think many of us could do much in CA... Except just join and get minimal rewards.

[keen vapor]

You have Centi with 4 CS lines

[kindred tinsel]

no i want my ssr selector

[keen vapor]

[swift mango]

Should be in new year. I will get my Jackal then...

Anyway, there is no counter to CP gap so if you aren't in a sweaty bracket you could always defense with a decent enough 3 team and higher CP....

[swift mango]

I mean, you are 400+ no? defense should become even harder at your level. Since more people invest in Arena even in a non sweaty bracket.

So I think it's either full investment into Arena units or it won't work.

_

And if defense doesn't mattered then you won't be able to hold C1-10 at all. Everyone would be dropped to diamond everyday.

[cedar orbit]

defense doesn't matter vs people who care about pvp

Rosanna beats your Jackal team, Biscuit or Noah beats a 2nd team

only way to defend is to CP dif people

[bleak latch]

scarlet magnet team

[violet prism]

Can someone help me make the attack/DEF teams for SPA?

I read the guides and got to plat but I am still green when it comes to building teams

[keen vapor]

Red Hood

And some SG clip batteries as well very good

I'll see what I can do

[violet prism]

thank you very much

[tropic summit]

the pettiness in reverse has been achieved

[tropic summit]

the chef has entered the kitchen

[tropic summit]

jokes aside, you're in very good hands

[cedar orbit]

it's only petty if you don't need the points

[tropic summit]

well i needed them for 1st rank, but doing it 5 minutes before reset is something i generally wouldn't do, unless it was a chinese attacking me every single day of the week for 5 times in a row, specifically after I had done my runs

[keen vapor]

Ok, I made this, it will work early
This is the good team

Noise/Grave/RH/Ice Maiden/Anis

The other is more copium ( ) but is the most decent thing that can be done unless we get Noise out of the first team, I rather wait for more units first

Liter/Viper/Privaty/Bunny Soda/Neon

For third team we auto

[violet prism]

Gotcha, thank you chef

[keen vapor]

For attack I'd like to see the targets first, even if we don't have too much to cook with it will be better that way

[tropic summit]

RIP newbies that are gonna learn about 3s stun privaty

[violet prism]

I faced that, was bamboozled

[tropic summit]

yeah, it will work well early on

[cedar orbit]

main issue with his 1st team is that Noise might die before burst and he has no other B1 on the team

[violet prism]

thought i could win it

[cedar orbit]

lvl 119 probably super squishy

[violet prism]

this is the same team i use for DEF too?

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

This is def, for attack you show target and I cook again

[violet prism]

yeah i just started 2 weeks ago

[violet prism]

ok brother

[cedar orbit]

missing out on Cinderella, damn

[violet prism]

yeah found out late, missed out the entire anni

[keen vapor]

[tropic summit]

[keen vapor]

He got RH, that's a win

[tropic summit]

now he just gotta worry about living through the lvl 160 wall

[violet prism]

True! Only reason i stuck with the game haha

[tropic summit]

with RH his campaign progress and early pve is set

[violet prism]

I am at chap 16 now, going fine

[tropic summit]

keep your eyes on MLB'ing those 5 nikke

[violet prism]

will do, i have a plan on who to get mlbs

The 100 point selector is a blessing for a new player

[cedar orbit]

he is clearly getting dommed by Viper

how do you even get her?

[violet prism]

i got her from the SSR molds

and u can get last copy from the favorite spare body thing

[cedar orbit]

right, that could help a lot

[idle shard]

anyone have an attack comp against this team? doable at synchro 445?

[cedar orbit]

depends how far are you in CS

all 3 of those teams look bad

[idle shard]

i can post my current teams

[cedar orbit]

sure

[tropic summit]

your main issue here is CP gap though

[idle shard]

yeah, they just beat me after they hit 461

[tropic summit]

it might still be doable by scar-jack on modernia team and the noah bisc anis on the other lower CP team

your t1 with scarlet could get a bit more padding by removing noir and adding RH as you'll get plenty of feed modernia noir and blanc

as for the biscuit noise blanc team, pick whoever is with more CP between SBS and s.anis

[idle shard]

sbs by far

[tropic summit]

then put them against the teams above and let's see how your CP does

[cedar orbit]

he should Moran Biscuit team 1

[tropic summit]

also post your box so we can see your nikke per investiment/strength

[cedar orbit]

you know what's funny, team 3 has Tia delaying Noah's burst

so 3 RL Scarlet hits faster than Noah blocks

team 2 is a 4 RL Scarlet burst, any Noah blocks it

[cedar orbit]

oh no, he isn't a Moran enjoyer

[idle shard]

I can throw her in synchro and invest a bit

[cedar orbit]

nah, you need to invest into Moran hard to use her

[idle shard]

its on the to-do list, but damn it keeps getting pushed back

i prioritize hard story, and raids over pvp

[tropic summit]

put this team:

scarlet blanc rh emi jackal
against their modernia team

and this against their scarlet
noah noise sbs bisc laplac

CP of second team is probably fine as is, CP of first team we need to see if we get within 15% CP deficit

[idle shard]

let me see what I can do about t1 cp

[tropic summit]

just check if the lineup above is within 15% CP, else we can think of something else

[idle shard]

okay

[tropic summit]

13%CP, theoretically doable

your noah team goes instead against this one:

i guess you're set to go, your only variable is surviving the 13% CP difference

[idle shard]

i can try cube swapping for this battle to get a bit more

next problem would be defending against them

[tropic summit]

just make sure you've quantum on your batteries

defense you'll likely lose, they can CP gap 2 of your teams

[idle shard]

figured

[tropic summit]

unless the whale is a dumb brick, you generally won't be able to defend

[idle shard]

I've held them off up until their cp boost at 361, so I might just need to close the gap a bit to do it again

[tropic summit]

that's a good mindset, but as long as they keep spending and you don't, the gap will widen

[idle shard]

nah i've been catching them over time

[vapid lake]

whale vs whale

nobody wins except SU

[tropic summit]

the best part is that those people probably don't even need the gem reward in the first place

[idle shard]

i could actually ignore that guy and go for someone else

[vapid lake]

not much point attacking the whale unless u like seeing them throw tantrums and start gemming to take back their spot

90% of whales are llike that

[idle shard]

I'm a little over 1k points ahead of them in points ranking, I mostly just want to prevent them from catching up before this season ends

that'll land me 300 more gems

[tropic summit]

seems a bit more in RNG with your CP

[tropic summit]

well strategically speaking this is the better option then ✅

[idle shard]

alright then, I'll wait for the guy below me to attack me before I go after the 462 guy

no point attacking now just to lose it to someone else

[vapid lake]

same i'm waiting for someone to knock down the guy who knocked me down

before attacking

[tropic summit]

[vapid lake]

bro's got no chill lol

right on reset he hits

[tropic summit]

at least it's after reset 🤔

[vapid lake]

because i usually beat his ass down before reset and he doesn't gem

[tropic summit]

there's something called karma

[vapid lake]

im aware that there's a 3rd person gunning for c2 and i'm just gonna wait for that 3rd person to make his move

[tropic summit]

what a lovely bracket that must be

"i wait for you to fk him so i can fk you and i don't get fked" kind of thing

[idle shard]

thank shift up for the bracket rerack

it was so peaceful before this

[tropic summit]

i've the opposite, haven't had anyone fighting me since last reshuffle beside the whale i'm bullying on ch1

this is the most peaceful it ever felt

[idle shard]

for me its all messed up. before that I sat two months in place with no issues

[vapid lake]

defense is really pointless

if the other guy knows all the counters to your defense then there's nothing u can do besides cp gap

[strange linden]

need advice to beat these comps, feels like I can do it

[tropic summit]

post your box

[vapid lake]

can send rosanna against t1 and then that team doesn't have any burst gen anymore besides jackal
t3 probably can beat with 2RL nuke

[potent ermine]

I hate noah comp

[strange linden]

I reset my rosanna since she's apparently not that good now after the dolls introduction.

[vapid lake]

see what railtracer cooking

[tropic summit]

even without rosanna, t1 as long as it doesn't get feed might not even be 3RL, so regardless a 2.5 or 3 will likely kill them, especially if running a rosanna 3RL (scarlet will blow up)

the other two teams instead are interesting, one is running an indom where you want sbs to get it if running a noah biscuit team, as it will effectively do 0 dmg to you

the one with noah is your typical stall team

i'd rather go on the SBS one with

noah noise s.anis biscuit laplace+/emi

if you don't have s.anis you can run a SBS of your own, as indom doesn't protect against distributed dmg (you'll kill everyone beside indom target)

for killing their t1

scarlet centi RH rumani jackal - will burst first
or
scarlet blanc rumani centi jackal - will burst first
or
scarlet centi rosanna emi jackal - this team kills scarlet straight on

note: for 2RL batteries should be running quantum lvl 7, although it might be enough as lvl 4 with the feed you'd be getting

@strange linden

[snow kraken]

Should I roll off ammo lines on Moran?

[inner scroll]

See any changes to be made?

[tropic summit]

whoever did your t1 and t3 has interesting ideas, as for t2 i only find questionable dorothy

[keen vapor]

It doesn't matter? She has infinite ammo on burst

[inner scroll]

Was either me making tiny adjustments to teams, or someone suggested them. Probably the latter. What do you recommend I swap Dorothy out for?

[tropic summit]

it's fine as long as it was CP reasons, if you running quantum 7 it actually hits 3RL

[strange linden]

So I should go for scarlet blanc rumani centi jackal against t1 and noah noise s.anis biscuit laplace+ or emi on t3?

[inner scroll]

I don’t think Dorothy has a cube on atm.

[tropic summit]

t2 for the noah noise, you'll hard counter SBS as she'll hit noah on biscuit buff for 0 dmg, while you'll hit indom target for unchanged distributed damage

t1 is the 2RL with quantum 7 on your batteries against their scarlet

[inner scroll]

For some reason I gave her the Hit Rate up. I have Quantum at Lv 4.

[tropic summit]

quantum is only needed as you see in the pic for noir and centi, as they are your batteries

instead of dorothy you could put RH (if you've her)

[inner scroll]

Dorothy looks like CP padding as when I asked for team comps then, she’s my 3-4th strongest B1.

[inner scroll]

These are who I have.

[tropic summit]

yeah that explains the dorothy then

just fix your quantum cubes on your batteries i guess

the other 2 teams, albeit not the usual, they've a few tricks with them

don't change them unless you're starting to see consistant lose in defend

[keen vapor]

@inner scroll Blanc doesn't dies before bursting?

[inner scroll]

I generally only lose when I get CP gated. Or the attacker has about 300k more CP in general. (I don’t win against them even in attacking)

[inner scroll]

No idea. It doesn’t tell me.

[vapid lake]

i started the journey to laplace treasure, hopefully with all the mats with this upcoming SR i can finish it

[keen vapor]

try it in rookie against people you face

[inner scroll]

Rookie is reshuffling.

[keen vapor]

[inner scroll]

Am I trying that Blanc team on Attack or Defence in Rookie?

[keen vapor]

I wouldn't start new treasure right now...

[keen vapor]

Attack, you want to see if Blanc dies or not

[vapid lake]

ur mum

[keen vapor]

@mod

[inner scroll]

I’ll try it tomorrow, against someone I know I can beat, and someone I know I can’t. I’ll let you know the results.

[keen vapor]

Good

[tropic summit]

blanc in p1 without biscuit can lead to bad surprises afterall, echo is on point on this

worth checking out if anything

[inner scroll]

I’m assuming that team bursts hella fast and she tosses Indom on herself.

[keen vapor]

She can't

[tropic summit]

blanc casts indom on the lowest maximun HP% beside herself

[inner scroll]

Ah. Weird then.

[tropic summit]

as scarlet hurts herself even when linked with jackal she generally tends to be lowest max HP%

[rich quail]

@mommy

[vapid lake]

i gave up on raiding when i skipped exia treasure

[tropic summit]

[vapid lake]

might as well all-in on pvp treasure now

[keen vapor]

It would be weird if she could, she's cheering the others

[vapid lake]

i need missilis tower 2nd dps anyway and there no way in hell i'm OLing quency

[keen vapor]

What's your synch level

[keen vapor]

if only.....

[rich quail]

You’re still at 312, buddy?

You can easily catch up to me

Just gotta do one thing

[keen vapor]

[rich quail]

OPEN
YOUR
CORE
DUST
BOXES

[keen vapor]

You should have invested Maxwell

[keen vapor]

I'm 321 after doing it

[vapid lake]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/946720097031045161/1293788762408620065/image.png?ex=6759ba6e&is=675868ee&hm=86436c38be8ece51e256f5262efe319b3834f01972ef18fc8f911f635667994e&

[keen vapor]

Rip

[vapid lake]

fk maxwell i don't need her dont wanna come home with the milk then so be it

[eternal finch]

Is Maiden worrth for PVP?

or should I save tickets?

[vapid lake]

yes she is good at pvp but probably shouldn't ticket

because pilgrim banners are coming

in jan

[summer copper]

you can pull pilgrim whenever, but Maiden is limited to decembers

assuming you mean Ice Rose and not Maiden Maiden

[idle shard]

It clears

[strange linden]

thanks it worked
somehow also won the last one with this comp

barely won t1 tho

[rich quail]

If you have pve content like campaign, tower, lost sector, etc. clear those out as much as possible

Get gems from doing all those things

[strange linden]

@copper creek I finally got Laplace+, she has higher cp than my noir too, should I replace her here?

[rich quail]

It’s a good idea

Laplace + won’t feed Jackal nearly as much

You can still use Noir for atk boost buff

And cp boost always nice to have

[strange linden]

at the same position?

[rich quail]

For this team, it should be ok

[strange linden]

lmao

oh wait she might have more

damn, I'm full

switched Emilia to the charge speed cube according to keripo's TL
hope it's good at lvl6

is it for Emilia21? I already have it

[glacial lion]

No, diff acc

[tropic summit]

oh because of the taunts, nice one on the 3rd aswell

[tropic summit]

nice

[strange linden]

actually it was because of the cp malus, I didn't saw it before but his was at 750k and mine 910k

[tropic summit]

auto and yolo on CP advantage has its perks

[swift mango]

And here I have her at MLB gathering dust ...

[swift mango]

Well, I ticketed her after failing 100+ pulls and was on the way to upgrade her but now... I feel like building other units would help me more. So she would be delayed... So yeah, maybe not worth it.

_

I got blessed with 3 missing piece Bay gears that I couldn't get in 2 months right after I upgraded XMaiden gear though... So maybe the game was rigged all along.

@Rek do 2 posts

[mint kite]

Could anyone help me with my CP-gapped defense team? Have been trying to make minor updates myself since zixk quit months ago 🫥

Here's my current setup:

[keen vapor]

We will always remember you Zixk

[final wedge]

Omgg Zixk quit

[regal oracle]

Railtracer-sensei I need your advice again
I just pulled Centi and I see XMaiden might be a good addition too

[covert lintel]

this is one of my rosanna counter, but i'm surprised it work on other team too

[rich quail]

I will dedicate the “Echo Memorial Core Dust Fund for Disadvantaged Players Whose Intials Are ET” * to zixk

*The core dust boxes provided directly from Echo’s remains

God rest Echo’s soul

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

Besides switching first team to
Summer Anis/SBS/Rapunzel/Bunny Soda/Noah
there's not much else to do when you're lacking +70 levels as F2P

[mint kite]

Wouldn't mind having the people around my CP back off

Next step is get Rumani up to speed and then invest more skills in Moran, I guess

[keen vapor]

Could you show them please?

[swift mango]

Lacking 70 level?

Maybe you could share him some core boxes.

[keen vapor]

He could buy it himself :pepeh:

Is highly likely he hasn't been buying event stamina to farm core dust

[swift mango]

This is more for off burst taunting.

Not important, unless you bring Moran to raid, tower or use her as off burst taunter.

[swift mango]

Sorry to say this but you better off just kick Cindy Out for Anis or your T3 won't burst. Check CP though. Maybe build your Anis before doing that.

[inner scroll]

Anis is built, and Cindy is too. They just need OL tweaked (too lazy to) and dolls levelled (working on lower CP units for now)

[swift mango]

I should make it clearer. OL your Anis, the purple one

[inner scroll]

Oh, the SR. I can do that once I’m done with Pepper and AltMaiden (Tower).

[swift mango]

You will want to OL Centi, Rumani, Noah, Jackal, Anis if you invested in Arena.

[inner scroll]

Yea, I need to build Rumani too. She hasn’t been touched.

[swift mango]

As they are the best burst gen that could go in any team

[mint kite]

This is the defense of the person who most recently attacked me

This guy is a huge pain for attacking me consistently

[inner scroll]

Okay, I don’t have Rumani. But here is the status of the others.

[swift mango]

You don't need to upgrade their OL gear to max just OL is enough. That save on mats OL other units.

The only units that you should do max level OL on is your campaign team.

[inner scroll]

Jackal was burst gen a while ago for campaign team.

[swift mango]

Ofc after you are done with all you want to build you could come back to max level them

[graceful grotto]

lvl 5 OL jackal

[inner scroll]

Oh yea. I definitely don’t level up OL gear for non campaign.

[swift mango]

Check pin for helpful link.

Especially Keripo post that has burst gen Calculator on it.

[inner scroll]

Graphs and calculations bore me. I just rely on what the more experienced people say.

[swift mango]

You just put unit names on it and you will see the burst speed of your team.

It really helps when you build your team or attack.

[inner scroll]

It just winds up confusing me. I don’t understand the terms, and I’m not a big enough whale to focus solely on Arena. I merely wanna keep my position as top 15 in Rookie and ~ Diamond 1 for SP.

[swift mango]

RL is the calculation units for your burst speed.

1 RL is around 1.2s

3RL is the common speed your team is aiming for.

If you burst 1RL faster than your opponent they won't even be able to do B1 with it. If 0.5 RL faster than B2 of opponent won't activate.

Meaning for example Noah won't activate her skill to counter anything exactly 0.5 RL or above faster than her team. A 2.5RL Scarlet would just wipe a 3RL Noah team.

Ofc there are many factor into it like charge speed, Cindy decoy and Jackal feed but you don't need to worry about them if you aren't invested

[inner scroll]

Too many words.

[swift mango]

That's the best I could do.

[inner scroll]

Is why I just trust what the more experienced people say. Now I have a list of who to work on. What about Pepper? She’s constantly being said to be on a team.

[swift mango]

Pepper is good but there are better options.

But if you upgraded her you will find use for her more often than not.

[inner scroll]

Would normal Anis be a good replacement?

[swift mango]

Pepper is a rare B1 with good burst Regen thanks to being clip SG. There aren't many options for that position.

Anis is B2.

[inner scroll]

Figured that’s why she’s recommended a lot.

And I assume for skills, unless said otherwise 4/4/4 is good for PvP?

[swift mango]

Yeah. You could start off with 3/3/3 if you seriously lack skill mats.

[inner scroll]

I really lack Burst Manuals 1 and 2. So yea 3/3/3 is good to hear.