pvp-arena

[slow heart]

I started at the end of january

[azure latch]

I mean, there are levels of new.

[keen vapor]

That's a year old already :pepeh:

[vapid lake]

10 months still new player huh

[slow heart]

I lost

[cedar orbit]

did your Noah just implode?

[slow heart]

and now I can't fight him anymore

[slow heart]

probably, I forgot to switch to watch battel

[cedar orbit]

[keen vapor]

Don't skip :pepeh:

[slow heart]

ye

[cedar orbit]

3 RL vs 4 RL, Noah can't block Cindy burst, so Noah probably just died

[slow heart]

second to early, right as the burst came up

[cedar orbit]

did you just waste your gems?

[slow heart]

its just 200 gems

[vapid lake]

he whale so it dont matter to him

[cedar orbit]

we have to go Biscuit route

[slow heart]

what if I replace soda with rh,

[vapid lake]

u'll die faster

[cedar orbit]

you don't burst in time

[slow heart]

ok

[slow heart]

meaning?

[keen vapor]

INVEST Use wallet

[slow heart]

no

[vapid lake]

at least OL biscuit

so enemy can't cp gap you easily

is what we are saying

[swift mango]

Then you are no whale

That's is normal level for that time range.

[slow heart]

I will do it after maiden

[vapid lake]

xmaiden also good at pvp so worthwhile investment

[swift mango]

Your bracket having no whale and a bunch of pve lol... I wish I could have your luck

[brittle hill]

I hate how discord has that emoji auto react. I'm just trying to search things up chill

[bleak shale]

im guessing u dont have jackal either? usually having a nikke in p1 without protection is death

[slow heart]

I have been buying the weekly 90 cd set for the past 3 months and I am pushing hm to the max

[bleak shale]

also theres a chance u might have won if viper wasnt repeat

[cedar orbit]

we are way too sophisticated to run Jackal Scarlet

[keen vapor]

[vapid lake]

his noah died before it could burst so it went to viper

if im watching the clip right

[bleak shale]

yea viper bursted then it was repeat so he didnt get b3

[swift mango]

I started at around March and I'm 308. The whale in my bracket is 348 and 373

[bleak shale]

cuz treasure

[vapid lake]

o yea maybe cindy could've wiped

[swift mango]

That how whale looks like

[vapid lake]

[slow heart]

-no whale
-nr 1 has over 30 lvls on us and his account is 3 days older then mine

[bleak shale]

idk if fast enough but definately was a chance there

[cedar orbit]

I don't wanna run Jackal+Scarlet, since Scarlet is not invested

[swift mango]

That's a whale alright.

You and the other guy are just spender

[cedar orbit]

it was fast enough, RL3 vs RL4

[vapid lake]

so #1 is whale and the others are just campaign diff probably

everyone's higher commander level than you so they got ahead in campaign way earlier than you

[swift mango]

You could also be called a dolphin I guess.

[muted stag]

Is this a win?

[swift mango]

If you bought many skin and no caring about level.

[slow heart]

no my issue is tower, I am lazy when it comes to that

[vapid lake]

tower give that much account exp?

[cedar orbit]

look at this cooked team

[muted stag]

I know it’s a win if it wasn’t anis and it was xanne

[swift mango]

Yes

[muted stag]

But now idk if I going to get out burst

[slow heart]

yes

[slow heart]

why anis over cindy?

[swift mango]

They won't

[vapid lake]

i never realized that

[muted stag]

Apparently my scarlet jackal killed rhem before they even burst

[vapid lake]

maybe i should stop waiting for blue cp to push tower

[swift mango]

Lie

[slow heart]

395.152

[vapid lake]

i don't care about tower lol i did 100 floors in one go after i was blue cp
i have the clip of the aftermath to prove it too

[slow heart]

yeah my manu towers are all on auto, if that can't clear it I don't bother till it can lol

[swift mango]

Guess you never getting any good medal

[vapid lake]

i'm already gold in every category because everybody in my local server stopped playing the game

the 2nd place is 150 floors behind me

it's a literal dead server

[cedar orbit]

Your can't put Cinderella in P1 or P2 without speeding the opposing team up. You need some freaky positioning if you wanna run Cindy

[slow heart]

I am forever second, creed is first in every ranking

[cedar orbit]

@slow heart who has higher attack, Cinderella or Naga?

[slow heart]

ah ok

naga

[bleak shale]

i bairly trust cindy in p3 tbh ive had a target skip ruin my match before

[swift mango]

Bruh you are having a lucky gaming time. You bracket Arena also easy so you could invest almost all in on PvE units and still keeping the rank. Your luck also good with pulling meta units.

I feel serious depression recently just coming to discord just to see others's luck.

[cedar orbit]

@slow heart I'm cooking so hard

[vapid lake]

if i didn't invest in pvp units i would be in diamond tier in my bracket half my top row of most CP units are pvp

not to mention the literal strongest character on my entire account is also a pvp unit

[swift mango]

Your CP is low for your level unless you don't flex anything.

And your bracket having no whale

[vapid lake]

because some of my burst gen batteries are still no OL can squeeze out more CP when they do

[bleak shale]

u know OL cp update really was just everyone getting shafted in my arena, the dude below me OLed their pvp units to hit me so i OLed my pvp units so he couldnt then i was in range to hit the spender above me so i did. now he OLed his pvp units so none of us can hit eachother again

[swift mango]

You just invest minimal in Arena. That's the point.

[bleak shale]

and we're all just down like 10-15rocks each and exactly the same as before

[slow heart]

I just focus on different things, when I whale I mainly buy skill book packs and level my raid units, I am probably around a 1.5 year old account when it comes to those

[swift mango]

When I said you go almost all in pve

[vapid lake]

not minimal investment but okay

you do you

[swift mango]

If you are in my bracket you won't event keep c6

[vapid lake]

but i'm not so that's a you problem

[swift mango]

That's why I said you are lucky

[slow heart]

449.140

[keen vapor]

[slow heart]

do I try?

[cedar orbit]

yeah, you should win

[slow heart]

ok lets go

worked, thank you so much

[slow heart]

also, vipers first 2 shots took noah down to nearly half already

[cedar orbit]

Biscuit gives her 10 seconds of invulnerability

[slow heart]

bleh midnight already, I wanted to sleep 2h ago

[cedar orbit]

I think he is probably using Tia on the team, because he believes non-clip RLs are fast chargers

[slow heart]

perhaps, anyway, thx again and good night/ day

[cedar orbit]

good night

[tropic summit]

the worst part is that tomorrow (today) is Monday

sleep well either way

[vapid lake]

it already monday morning for me

[cedar orbit]

waking up in 7 hours

[vapid lake]

https://tenor.com/view/warcraft-gaming-gif-27702118

[tropic summit]

waking up in 8 hours

[rich quail]

@vapid lake @slow heart We are all on different paths and like and enjoy Nikke for different reasons. Always glad to meet others who like the game and want to get better at it.

I am on the same boat and I absolutely sucked starting off, but I met some awesome people here and I’m doing a lot better.

Still learning, but still having fun and now I met some good peeps

Keep at it

u are my bros and sises

[keen vapor]

@kindred tinsel

[vapid lake]

Echo didn't get pinged

[cedar orbit]

I hate pvp, I just really want that 3000 gems/2 weeks

[tropic summit]

i don't mind pvp, when it doesn't involved stalkers, ratters, whales... oh that would filter it out quite a bit

[tropic summit]

@keen vapor

[rich quail]

Paging Doctor @keen vapor

Paging Doctor Echo

Your car lights are on

[keen vapor]

[cedar orbit]

if Rosanna didn't exist and I could actually defend

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

defense is an illusion

the only defense that works is people that lack knowledge

[summer copper]

reroll for a fresh bracket of newbies and be the whale they''ll all hate

[rich quail]

or cp gap

[bleak shale]

defense is the dude who bought a ton of coredust and is lvl 700-800 in my pvp bracket 🙂

[tropic summit]

there'll be probably a bigger whale anyway

[summer copper]

that's fine, you only need to be the 3rd biggest

[cedar orbit]

I got a person in my bracket who whales for skins, but probably refuses to buy core dust from events

he is 24 lvl below me

4th is gatekeeping me so hard, 1st has no attack left

[tropic summit]

how about just keeping ch3?

[cedar orbit]

yeah, I have no other choice atm

1st, 5th, 6th can't beat my teams, it sucks getting hit by 4th all the time

[spiral onyx]

Kinda curious, what percentage of those 180 pages were insightful PvP discussion and what percentage were straight up degeneracy

And what percentage were ||deez nuts||

[nocturne arrow]

help me build teams for special arena

[tropic summit]

just confirming, you got nothing else?

[nocturne arrow]

yes, somewhat

[tropic summit]

post the box in order of strength, unless it already is

[nocturne arrow]

yes that is in order of strength

[tropic summit]

on the assumption you don't have noah, emilia and rumani, you'll have to use anis to at least allow a 2 decently built teams, 3rd team is CP filler

scarlet grave liter noir jackal
centi noise biscuit rumani cind
naga dkw ein anis s.anis

[nocturne arrow]

okay

i dont have them

[tropic summit]

oke doke, make sure you wishlist rumani at least and try get xmaiden

(that is, if you want to invest in pvp)

[nocturne arrow]

i do have her

change anis with rumani?

[tropic summit]

yep, better stats and CP

you can put anis then in T3, instead of the lowest CP between ein and alice

[tropic summit]

i edited the teams above so they already include the changes we just spoke about

[nocturne arrow]

okay thanks

[umbral crown]

go C1

[eternal finch]

Sadly I got no idea how to form the teams.

[civic cipher]

i need help pvp1

[thorny sequoia]

It's been a while since I have had trouble in SP ARENA. Any teams to beat this guy consistently? I have every good arena Nikke except Rapunzel

Thanks!

[late marten]

Wish there are recommended all-rounder squad to take on most players without much changing squads frequently

[tribal tartan]

It wouldn’t be pvp if you can just auto it

[late marten]

'cause I'm just too lazy to change squad every time

It doesn't help that auto-ing squads are based on Nikke's CP than proper team.

[cedar orbit]

I mean, for vmt8's question, you have general teams, Jackal+Blanc+Scarlet beats team 1, 2 RL Noah team with Alice/RH beats team 2, Moran+Biscuit that manages to burst this year beats team 3

[nimble portal]

Any team for maiden Xmas?
How are they perform?

[late marten]

At least I already made one all-rounder squad I can take on anyone.

on both Rookie and SP

[cedar orbit]

take it, it's literally free

I guess you could swap Rumani and Centi

[thorny sequoia]

Awesome, thanks! Can you please link me the burst calculator?

[cedar orbit]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JUiiuHysG3vlWRPVx_wT6zUwkc5Ob9n8G0azCbuwlA8/edit?gid=0#gid=0

[thorny sequoia]

Thank you kind sir

[drifting hazel]

Yall think I got this

[keen vapor]

Yes

Wait no

[keen vapor]

CP diff will kill you

[drifting hazel]

That’s what I was thinking, since his burst gen is slow wasn’t sure if I could burst kill with Scarlet

[vapid lake]

At that cp diff ur scar die in 1 second

[drifting hazel]

[vapid lake]

That way bigger than 15.4%

[quick lake]

You can do defender(ideally Makima) + Biscuit + Rosanna + SAnis even if 4-5 RL still can win

[vapid lake]

U sure about that, i watched someone defender get one shot before biscuit invul can activate when they tried to go into this deficit

That like 30% deficit or bigger

[drifting hazel]

I don’t have Makima my Rosanna isn’t built, I’ll find another opponent, trying to move up Rookie at least.

Get turn hella bricked since last shuffle I got kids near the 350 level with top kid with synchro 290

[quick lake]

Rookie is useless

[hazy shore]

I like my 1250 per day thank you

[drifting hazel]

I might have a shot

[vapid lake]

Calculate deficit before u hit magic number is 15.4%

[drifting hazel]

Practicing my teams in there, seeing how that team does defensively, I don’t have three teams built since I’m missing upgraded Nikkes and cubes are lacking in slots

I’m in range of deficit

Barely tho

[vapid lake]

Then go u'll win

[hazy shore]

I'd say you ball it

[vapid lake]

He put MG on defense it will get eaten alive by scar jack

Free win

[quick lake]

Opponent may burst first 2 jackal feed

[drifting hazel]

Unless I’m calculating incorrectly

[vapid lake]

Nah believe

[graceful grotto]

nah oppo has 3 feed

i don't think oppo will burst first

[vapid lake]

Oppo has a shotgun and MG feed that a lot more feed

[drifting hazel]

[graceful grotto]

seeee

[hazy shore]

flawless

[drifting hazel]

I was close, team was down to 35% hp

[loud sonnet]

[glacial palm]

chat, the def comps decent?

[coarse lake]

Weak weak weak

T1: noah pointless since you feed scar jack so much

T2: walled by p5 Cindy or jackal or biscuit

T3: p1 Cindy makes enemy target skip to p2, and gives all of their RLs extra gen due to hitting decoy, they burst much faster

[quick lake]

T3 cindy bug, can make enemy to 2RL

[vapid lake]

#pvp-arena message

Never put cindy p1

[fathom rock]

[vapid lake]

Ur opponent team is a meme

[coarse lake]

the one time it's ok, they got 0 rl

[vapid lake]

That a 5 feed team

[glacial palm]

cook for me

[fathom rock]

They can probably boost a scar jack to 1rl

[glacial palm]

was looking up old guide on nikkegg

[fathom rock]

Atleast I'm finally capable of doing pvp

[fathom rock]

Send your units

[glacial palm]

[vapid lake]

He lv 480 just assume he has every unit

[limber patrol]

these whales

[glacial palm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1095219771580108841/1300245090828292106/163.gif

[vapid lake]

Honestly it prolly just scar+jackal team, sanis noah biscuit team, and cindy/ein nuke team

[glacial palm]

gimme the layout

[rich quail]

u forgot to say please

[glacial palm]

one guy in my arena keep skipping my team

[glacial palm]

please

[kindred tinsel]

ghost pings

hey who pinged me

[coarse lake]

smol fixes
Noah/Noise/Biscuit/Sanis/Rapunzel
Poli/Centi/Bsoda/Rosanna/Noir
Scarlet/Blanc/RH/Rumani/Jackal

[kindred tinsel]

[coarse lake]

t1 can be upgraded to use cindy instead of sanis, and lap+ instead of rapunzel, need a few quantums

[vapid lake]

Laplace need treasure

[glacial palm]

already

but i reset her for cindy

[fathom rock]

Scar/noah/emilia/laplace T/jackal
Moran/biscuit/ass/rapunzel/rumani
blanc/maid priv/xmica (s2 lv10) /centi/anis
Guys did I burn the kitchen

[fathom rock]

S2 mica not lv10?

[glacial palm]

444

cuz im a raider, not much pvp

[keen vapor]

Mica being used next raid

[glacial palm]

[vapid lake]

Lunchbreak over me gone

[fathom rock]

Change last team to blanc/rh/centi/anis/noise

[limber patrol]

mica electric?

[fathom rock]

Or you can go scar/xanne/centi/la+/jackal
Moran/biscuit/ass/noise/rumani
Noah/emilia/rh/rapunzel/anis

[kindred tinsel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1273933998762229845/1312830506404151378/6699EFFE8916DD787DE0C3F0C34A2288.gif

[glacial palm]

ill try what Eon gave, if that dont work, ill try yours

[keen vapor]

Iron

But we can ignore Nihilister's burn

[empty cedar]

I wanted to see if I can make Maiden work in spite of her counters

[quick lake]

Well, Emilia just died due to RL splash dmg. xmaid burst did nothing

Calc wise, idt xmaid does enough dmg to reliably nuke jackal link

[empty cedar]

Well it was her splash damage 😆 how she died immediately because of her and noise getting elemental

[quick lake]

With emilia burst, many other ways to counter

[empty cedar]

Blanc is a good one with Rosanna

That I know though I wanted to try alternative more of a tank stall instead of the one shot that could lose via noah block if not burst fast enough

I didn't even use jackel so that free me to use her on another team if I have to face this team for my sp arena

[quick lake]

Stall, probably Moran/Bay kinda teams

[hollow eagle]

hey yall, what's the counter to this team? assuming no cp advantage on both side

[empty cedar]

Yeah though i don't have either built so it something to consider due to champion arena needing 5 teams

[empty cedar]

Well depends on what you have

I can see why it works mast is just there to died and give burst generation from Rosanna and burst one shot.

[quick lake]

omg I didnt see that sync 100
mast

[hollow eagle]

using sac strat

[quick lake]

2RL cindy probably

[hollow eagle]

yea that's what I thought too, tks

[empty cedar]

I didn't want to be the guy to say use the team I had i mean it isn't counter by Rosanna and you wouldn't died to a one shot by biscuit

[quick lake]

Or meme 1 Rosanna, 4 Sniper Rifle team

Take out P4, 5 units asap

[empty cedar]

Their options

[vapid lake]

He a pvp tryhard dont worry he prolly just want reassurance if what he thinking is correct

[hollow eagle]

yea haha, I just want more opinion on hard counters for that team, 2RL Cindy with no clip SG feed sounds good

just wanted to make sure

[quick lake]

I still think my meme 4SR team might work

[empty cedar]

Another team i could suggest is noah,biscuit,RH, any burst generation character,jackel

[vapid lake]

Rosanna will delete jackal link don't do it

[coarse lake]

probably a team with b1 b2 b3 all defender

idk how fast you kill mast

[quick lake]

or completely CP gap him

That lv100 mast low sync

[hollow eagle]

dead in 1 RL

[empty cedar]

I think the mast is just their to give crit rate and died

[coarse lake]

you got units that can live a scar nuke?

mast is there to sac to let them burst fast

I know there's a counter to it, but I forgot

like can your biscuit live a scar nuke

[empty cedar]

I mean just use your own Rosanna

If your Rosanna burst it'll target both Rosanna and scarlet

[coarse lake]

do you have a vid of said fight

[hollow eagle]

https://youtu.be/7yfLQGEWP2o

[coarse lake]

bursting fast will be difficult since rls lose gen due to no p2

eh if no crit it seems like you win

cindy/noah/jackal/biscuit/emilia

very untested comp, but in theory can win as long as the proper units get invuln

jackal can be replaced with rumani, whoever is tankier

[hollow eagle]

oh Cindy P1 doesnt pose a problem? I thought decoy feed burst

[coarse lake]

and honestly it looks like you can cp diff that team anyway

yeah it feeds burst, but doesn't matter

if anything the sooner they burst the better, less chances your units get chipped

you want them to live through a scar nuke with invuln, then nuke yourself

[hollow eagle]

I see, even if Rosanna manage to burst there, only Emi + Cindy get targeted right?

[coarse lake]

yeah

[hollow eagle]

and Cindy will live tks to biscuit, ok tks

[coarse lake]

you can swap noah and cindy if you want

hard to say

hmm

actually

noah/jackal/biscuit/cindy/emilia

so noah jackal hopefully get invuln, cindy tanks it raw

idk if jackal can live a scar nuke in p2

[hollow eagle]

I'll try this tmr

no attempts left

[coarse lake]

that team won't reach 2rl

you lose p2 target for your rls to hit

you won't burst in time

[hollow eagle]

ahhh right, cuz Mast died

damn

[coarse lake]

tbh just cp diff it, with your cp it should be doable

just have a p1 defender with biscuit elsewhere, and tank through everything

[hollow eagle]

alr, tks guys for the input

[limber patrol]

where's this tool? mine looks outdated

[slow heart]

for me it was 6h

[quick lake]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JUiiuHysG3vlWRPVx_wT6zUwkc5Ob9n8G0azCbuwlA8/edit?gid=0#gid=0

Both works. Just different versions

[limber patrol]

[quick lake]

With this sheet, u can see when ur/opponent's Noah will proc, so u can see whether you're fast enough

Noah invuln is 3s which is roughly ~2.3 RL time

[limber patrol]

So bursting late better for noah?

to counter Noah

because if enemy has like less than 2.5RL I got no chance...

but I don't think team tanky enough until then...

[grizzled bone]

reminder: guys if you're looking for burst calculators the resources are in the pins and the links are always up-to-date

[kindred tinsel]

when champion arena comes give us ssr selector for ranking

[misty finch]

What are the 2 best def teams I can make?

[quick lake]

Yep kinda! For a typical 3RL team, opponent will typically burst at the 4.16RL mark. While Noah in a 3RL comps, will activate its invuln at the 3.82RL mark. So in this case, Noah can block the opponent's nuke in time

[grizzled bone]

don't hold your breath

[kindred tinsel]

it must be pilgram exclusive too

[quick lake]

I think what sky's guesswork on CA was pretty interesting. You select 1 team out of 5 team to fight a blind opponent team

[graceful grotto]

imagine if they do that lol

[quick lake]

5v5 real time selection. But opponent's team is hidden, until battle

[graceful grotto]

the selector would only be smol white and rpg

[glacial lion]

[graceful grotto]

doubt

[quick lake]

[graceful grotto]

lol it will be rng if that's the case

people would hate it

[quick lake]

Okay, maybe not real time, but pre-selected team orders maybe

[swift mango]

maybe put Noah in the shop as the reward for participating in CA through accumulated points.

Gating players through 0.1% luck is pretty extreme.

[glacial lion]

damn it, stats gap

[swift mango]

This is similar to your fight few hours ago. Just they used biscuit now.

[graceful grotto]

imagine if they do real time but u get to pick 3 + ban 2 or smth

like dota

[limber patrol]

I can only beat Noah if enemy got 4RL+ or high deficit

[glacial lion]

i dont get it, if my sanis die during noah invul time, i lose for sure...
but she already survive and got extra healsteal + atk buff from biscuit but still lose

[limber patrol]

Where Cinderella?

[limber patrol]

who got this? pretty good.

[swift mango]

I mean you didn't kill them fast enough I guess. And it went down hill quick starting with Moran getting offed.

Since afterwards, their SAnis 2 shoots hit your links.

[glacial lion]

that what i said, this team isnt problem, it just stat gap

[glacial lion]

biscuit burst

[swift mango]

Well, you can do nothing about that but changing your build or give up.

I remember one time I needed to put my Scarlet in p3 and 2 other attacker in p1-2 just so my Scarlet could wipe. Level gap can be crazy sometimes.

[swift mango]

If I get to ban pick then Noah would never see play and most of my opponent would be easy beats if similar investment because they wouldn't even build or ban Bay lol....

[graceful grotto]

Ein would be a popular pick cause she works both continuous and burst lol

[quick lake]

Ban scarlet. They got no more nuke teams

[cedar orbit]

If it makes you happy, all my Non-Noah S.Anis team loses into Noah S.Anis teams

[swift mango]

Cindy exist

And Emilia.

And other lesser options.

You could just ban their Biscuit so Alice and RH would thrive

[empty cedar]

I'll be able to dust off my 2B one shot team

[ornate kestrel]

Is zis team good enough

[swift mango]

Without the existence of Biscuit, a heavily invested Alice or RH would demolish everything.

They could use Moran+Blanc though....

[quick lake]

Banning units means more cooking

[limber patrol]

somehow you are missing like 200k combat power total at your lvl

[swift mango]

Team 1+2 is 3rl. Team 3 is 5rl and likely won't burst.

Team 2 could swap Maiden to p1.

Team 3 could swap Crown to p1. Maybe Noise to p5 if you worry about her taunt giving free burst gen. But she could be killed by SG in exchange.

[ornate kestrel]

Ok zanks

[quick lake]

Any ideas?

Would this meme team work

[gaunt viper]

optimal way to beat these comps? battle 1 same CP, 2nd my 460k to 480k, 3rd my CP slightly higher

[swift mango]

Makima dayum...

[quick lake]

Hardest cook of my pvp career so far

Spent like 30mins brainstorming teams

[swift mango]

Maybe not using Makima? Rumani could taunt and Biscuit would make SBS damage zero. Just use something else maybe one more SG to kill their biscuit...

Edit: Apartmently Rumani won't taunt p4, sorry

[quick lake]

Honestly have no idea how to counter Moran/Bay + SBS kind of teams

Tried fitting OG Sakura, but not enough CP

[swift mango]

Just taunt SBS with a. Biscuited defender....

[quick lake]

Counter with Moran/Bay + Biscuit?

[swift mango]

Rumani could also taunt

But their SBS is p4 so nvm

Tia also taunt

[quick lake]

omg, I didnt know rumani taunted afkjfdfdjjsaa

[swift mango]

She only taunt p1+2 during burst

[quick lake]

Now I know

[swift mango]

You probably only want 1 taunt defender at p1+2 so as to not waste biscuit 2nd trigger on someone else.

I impulsed upgrade my Moran s3 to level 7 but it doesn't feel any different than lv5... Zzz

Maybe would need level 10 if I want to see a difference... Or I just need to skill reset her for someone else.

[quick lake]

What is p1+2? So defenders in both P1 and P2?

[swift mango]

I mean only one defender in p1+2 so they won't trigger 2 of biscuit invulnerability....

[quick lake]

So P1 defender, P2 biscuit?

[swift mango]

Idk, if she could survive then it's nice if not then it's bad.

[quick lake]

Ahh okay okay

[lunar pawn]

been over 2 months since I did any pvp, these should be fine right?

[lunar dirge]

as long as Rosanna won't 1tap your SBS and laplace won't kill your emi, you're fine

also, tf is that team 2,at least put swap rapunzel and s.anis or smth

[lunar pawn]

mmm should I rearrange them?

[lunar dirge]

no scarlet?

[lunar pawn]

xanne won't buff sanis unfortunately, don't have other RL options for b2

oh right

[lunar dirge]

Wait, there's crown, he ain't bursting fast enough

[lunar pawn]

there, for team 2

[lunar dirge]

Team 1 is fine, team 2 is 50/50, team 3 depends on noise buest investment

[lunar pawn]

let's see how it goes

[lunar dirge]

If in team3 laplacet kill emi too fast, put it against t2

[lunar pawn]

mhm ok won

I do need to update my defense, probably

[lunar dirge]

Try to do the meta ones and see how it goes

[lunar pawn]

current one

[lunar dirge]

Scar blanc rh centi jackal, rumani anis Cindy Emilia xmaiden, Noah noise rapu s.anis biscuit

[lunar pawn]

no rumani

[lunar dirge]

well, it's over

[lunar pawn]

[lunar dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/its-over-soyjak-wojak-depression-depressed-gif-27376848

[quick lake]

Rank 5 is pretty comfy

[lunar dirge]

The whole idea of team 2 was 2rl cindy

[lunar dirge]

pick any of these:

scarlet blanc rh centi jackal
rumani anis cinderella emilia21 noir/xmaiden
noah noise s.anis biscuit rapunzel
Scarlet/Blanc/Laplace+/Red Hood/Jackal
Noise Rumani SBS Bay Biscuit
blanc/emilia/rh/xmaiden/b.soda

[lunar pawn]

eh, seems like if you don't have rumani you're out of options

smth like this?

actually let me replace ein for scarlet lol

[lunar dirge]

Will do prob

[ionic basin]

Yooo, I want to cook some pvp team for both rookie and sp

[lunar dirge]

4 pics maximum

[ionic basin]

[lunar dirge]

Per 1 message

[lunar dirge]

No rumani?

[ionic basin]

Dun have

[lunar dirge]

Well, bruh

[ionic basin]

No Flora no rumani and ludmilla

have everything else

[lunar dirge]

Scar blanc rh centi jackal, Noah noise s.anis Rapunzel biscuit, Moran Cindy bay emilia xmaiden(not sure about this one)

[final wedge]

Fkn champ arena news got me knocked from rank 3 SPA after so months

[quick lake]

Ppl stop sleeping on pvp!

[final wedge]

Im gonna 17% CS centi if this is the case

I just need 3% more CS to reach 17

[lunar dirge]

Isn't break point is like 15,5%

I forgor

[final wedge]

Im curious if 2.5 RL
Scarlet Blanc RH Centi Jackal can actually fool ppl dat it is 3RL or not

[ionic basin]

Thankss

[quick lake]

We just mathed the other day

[lunar dirge]

and?

[ionic basin]

but there are 2 biscuit in team 2

[quick lake]

16.67% bare minumum. 17%+ is safe. More is safer

[lunar dirge]

Edited

[final wedge]

Yea im not lookin it back again my 20 rocks wasted just for 21% jackal n its fkn useless

[quick lake]

Definitely. Burst calc doesnt take into account cs lines

[final wedge]

Yea i hope it can fools some of them

[ionic basin]

Thankss, so I will just look up in prydwen and check for skill level

[lunar dirge]

Can you show me the burst gen of this team without 21% jackal at 2,5rl in burst calc?

[ionic basin]

how about rookie, should I just use the first team?

[final wedge]

Im on 14% CS on Centi but im runnin out of rocks to reroll the value...i hope i can get at least 3 tomorrow

[lunar dirge]

Basically, to check it out, in burst calc add 14,3 at 2,5rl mark

Since 1 jackal shot gives 14,3to burst gen

[quick lake]

Idk whether it actually bumps u up a RL speed

[lunar pawn]

don't run out of rocks right before NY banners

[lunar dirge]

I actually consider rock hoarding 1st time in nikke gameplay

[final wedge]

No i dont have but i saw this...n thinkin i think it will reach 2.5 #pvp-arena message

[quick lake]

But, u’re still blocked by noah. In mirror comp, u’ll likely win thats about all

[final wedge]

Yea ive been hoarding every SR finish n use em when SR news pop....our mod @oak rivet tor is very good in getting good rolls after hoardin...made me wanna doro him

[final wedge]

Man i dont wanna open create my long lost matrix again on who will be wasted if i use what so i can get the best chance of winning

[lunar pawn]

we might get some meta banners and reruns, would be a shame if people were out of rocks because they were busy rerolling OL lines on centi, rumani or smth

[quick lake]

I can see surprise xanne/xrupee rerun when CA launches

Still think rolling for charge speed is useless unless u really know what u’re doing

[glad meteor]

2.5 RL scar blanc red hood if CS on jackal centi

[quick lake]

Well, if opponent has a Noah u ded. Moran/Bay, u still soft-countered. Bursting first doesnt always win, but def helps

Team building still most impt

[glad meteor]

Scar blanc redhood need strong sustain or noah biscuit to counter

[quick lake]

If u go nitty gritty, u need to check whether scarlet & RH has shot enough shots at 2.5RL time, to fill up burst bar

[lunar dirge]

Ain't hoarding till meta units I have are ready to pop first

[quick lake]

In this case with jackal and feed, easily 2.5RL

But I think other teams comps are harder to tell

[glad meteor]

Yeh, JP do a lot of cooks with CS on clip rls

[quick lake]

Might do up a calc sheet with cs considered eventually

[final wedge]

the problem is...in my rookie....its kinda obvious on how to destroy em ...mine is using Laplace Emi 2 RL so dat the splash dmg will hit blanc since blanc is locked on pos 2 due to RH on pos 3, rendering blanc ded before she can burst...but luckily my rank 4 5 6 SPA is not on my Rookie tho

srsly idk why my rank 4 5 6 SPA suddenly change

its always the same every season...then suddenly this season change

[ionic basin]

Team looking like this now

[drifting hazel]

Why not Rumani on team three

[ionic basin]

cuz no rumani

[drifting hazel]

#rumaniless

[ionic basin]

[drifting hazel]

[lunar dirge]

being rumaniless prevents you from using 2rl cindy

So

🫵

[rich quail]

[ionic basin]

So what will team 3 looks like with rumani?

[lunar dirge]

Rumani anis/centi Cindy Emilia xmaiden

[ionic basin]

anis?

[lunar dirge]

Sr one

[ionic basin]

[lunar dirge]

She's clip rl too

[mighty haven]

[patent verge]

https://nikke.gg/maiden-ice-rose-pvp-focus-review-analysis-guide-and-best-teams/

[wild patio]

n3x

[quasi prism]

@terse abyss hows the new bracket treating you?

I pulled noah 2 days ago, so I'm going to work on her next after I'm done with lewdmilla gear and s:anis skills

Soon

[terse abyss]

Ko and razor came along with me. They're happy at 3 and 4 seems like lol

I lost some ranks on day 1 but back to top 3 now since saturday

[quasi prism]

I figured as much lol

I can't beat the guy at #1 in my bracket, guy is level 280 units

And number 2 is hard gemming to maintain 2

Its pretty funny

[hasty elk]

GG EZ

[meager linden]

Hello guys! Why tf am i still loosing this sht?!

[hasty elk]

S anis OP

Try this

Also they probably more built then you

[meager linden]

I have 10-10-10 on allmost all Nikkes. Qubes 10. Quantum 8. Full OL on all +5.

[quick lake]

The WIN, is the defender wins. Means you lose. Means the matrix is correct

[hasty elk]

But is your OL optimized?

[meager linden]

It optimized for the solo raid.

[hasty elk]

Also what about favorite items which goes hard on Laplace.. AND, who is bursting first

[meager linden]

But pvp Nikkes optimized for pvp

[hasty elk]

Are you bursting first?

[meager linden]

Yes

sAnis live like hell, she have long immune window

[hasty elk]

Your around my level let me see your s anis stats

My s anis beats those that are 50 levels above me for some reason

I noticed yes, S Anis against S Anis is whose anis lives longer

And he making her live with that Rapunzel

I would try also to mirror his exact lineup. lol I might even try it. Bro is dunking on you damn.

Also, he is getting immunity for that long with Blanc bursting and Biscuits passives. It is strong.

[hasty elk]

No attack damage. I think you have a strong s anis dont get me wrong but.. their s anis probably has more attack then yours. Core stat for all content tbh.. So OL is not optimized. Also commander doll not optimized.

And.. Helmet gives attack so upgrade that asap

[meager linden]

Ok, thanks for the tips

[hasty elk]

And armor does

yw

You have cube advantage too thats a good cube so if you get the rest mentioned you will be quite strong.

[covert lintel]

most likely your sanis dmg goes to his laplace and rapunzel, and because electric weak to iron code his rapun's heal mitigate your sanis dmg while your team get rekt by his laplace and sanis dmg

[meager linden]

And what is the best team to wipe out his?

[lunar pawn]

scarlet xanne centi RH jackal should take care of business

[agile hornet]

That team is pretty slow. Scarlet Blanc RH Centi Jackal should be okay?

[lunar pawn]

you wanna delete that rapunzel before she can b1

[agile hornet]

Yeah Xanne should be good too

[lunar pawn]

blanc would be better than xanne but Idk if his scarlet can survive that long

[agile hornet]

Tru. I think should be able to. Especially at that sync level + Jackal link

[lunar pawn]

else could do a stall team like, noise jackal blanc sanis scarlet

[agile hornet]

Ye see who's slower and tankier hahaha

[meager linden]

I try this tomorrow 🙂 But my Scarlet cant wipe his Rapun. On my team scarlet-xanne-centi-anis-jackal

[lunar pawn]

well yea, jackal doesn't buff scarlet

[agile hornet]

That's why we add another buffer haha

[lunar pawn]

RH+blanc/xanne is a guaranteed one shot in most situations, but if you feel his rapunzel is too tanky, you can run this

limited in what we can suggest given we don't know your roster

[meager linden]

Ok, ty 🙂

[covert lintel]

im bad at atking, so that might be worse than other advice

[cedar orbit]

It is indeed worse

[covert lintel]

[lunar pawn]

delete it, don't give people bad ideas

[crystal surge]

Suggestions?

[cedar orbit]

Running A2 is illegal, no one knows what she does

[sleek root]

A2 burst continuous hits all 5 slots and is pain. Especially if shes buffed.

[thorn pagoda]

damn

[quick lake]

None of the opponents team are 3RL

[kindred tinsel]

xmaiden lower than maiden

[quick lake]

Run 3RL Cindy and Scarlet teams on both T2 and T3 abd easy game

[crystal surge]

tia noise cindy laplace maiden
scarlet blanc centi rh jackal?

[lunar pawn]

?

[wicked horizon]

Any ideas if or how I could take their B1 out before they burst?

[lunar pawn]

show your roster

[cedar orbit]

The list is funny, because bunny Soda is ranked higher than Noire

[lunar pawn]

also, only MG I'd ever consider using in arena is rosanna

[cedar orbit]

They overvalue weak aoe nukers

[quick lake]

First team is 4RL, adjust to 3 and u're good

[restive heart]

didnt expect my atk team works

[kindred tinsel]

someone make a new tierlist

[thorn pagoda]

tbh soda bunny is OP in campaign and pvp
aren't soda bunny and noise both ranked SS? oh. Noire lol

[quick lake]

Opponent uninvested

[lunar pawn]

clip SG have good burst gen, but that's it

[cedar orbit]

At least Noir gives a buff

[lunar pawn]

if above 70% hp

[wicked horizon]

If I swapped out the MGs and lost 20k CP, think I'd have a better chance?

[lunar pawn]

Idk your roster

[wicked horizon]

Can't send right now - on phone. =(

[lunar pawn]

screenshot?

[quick lake]

Either Noah or 2RL comp

[lunar pawn]

jackal+scarlet already cooks that team

[wicked horizon]

Here's some of the leftovers.

[quick lake]

Scarlet/ RL/ RH/ RL/ Jackal, such that ur RL units give u 2RL speed eg Centi, Rumani, Laplace, Xmaid

[limber patrol]

Wth

[covert lintel]

ok, sorry. i was just thinking it would be nice to make opponent's blanc give buff to lap+, so the team lap+ would kill sanis during burst

[quick lake]

Noise Noah Centi Cindy Noir

[cedar orbit]

He doesn't need any units, enemy team feeds him into 2 RL whatever he runs

[quick lake]

Idk whether he still has jackal available to use

[wicked horizon]

170k CP 😭
Why's Noise first anyways?

[quick lake]

Noise to heal and tank. Make sure u're not at deficit

[wicked horizon]

Yeah, Scarlet Jackal is tied in first team.

[quick lake]

Can arrange as such
Noah Centi Cindy Noir Noise

[wicked horizon]

That team is at deficit.

[quick lake]

Can you send another SS without any units used up? cant see the CP

[wicked horizon]

The 3 screenshots have the free units.

You can't see the CP anyways though?

[quick lake]

gimme a sec

[wicked horizon]

The first screenshot has the 5 high CP units.

The other two have the rest.

And you can see the numerical CP of the two teams, which should give an estimate of the high end and the average.

[quick lake]

Cause the 5 units in ur team 3 is in the team, so I cant see where they stand CP wise hahaha

[wicked horizon]

The CP is listed at the top.

They're... on the lower side.

[quick lake]

Can try
Noah Centi Cindy SBS Noise

[wicked horizon]

180k, still deficit vs 242k

[quick lake]

These are the left over right? So dkw is the highest CP followed by cindy etc etc

[wicked horizon]

No

The first image has the 3 highest CP

[kindred tinsel]

oh wow im actually staying in dia this season

[quick lake]

Helm highest CP?

[quick lake]

So its these 5, then the Dkw screenshot, then the Helm screenshot?

[wicked horizon]

Yes

[quick lake]

okok

[wicked horizon]

There's 4 more units above Helm btw

[wicked horizon]

204k, just barely in deficit.

It's pain 😅

[quick lake]

Welps, maybe shift some cubes around

[wicked horizon]

Perhaps.

[quick lake]

Can probably equip them all with highest level cubes, and should be good

[wicked horizon]

Phew, close one. Noah died, but the burst went through.

[lunar pawn]

problem here is:
you're using 2 MG
you're using naga
you will burst in 2030

[wicked horizon]

I won't burst, there's no B1 =D

[swift mango]

How many CP can you add into your team? 350k should be able to auto attack them.

[lunar pawn]

oh I didn't look for burst type, the team was that bad I wasn't even considering it

need a full roster when you can

[wicked horizon]

Nah, Rheax got me a team already. All good.
The one in that screenshot was the max I could do.

[cedar orbit]

Weird seeing those big moves

[swift mango]

Did you lose with that team?

[wicked horizon]

I lost previously with the team in the screenshot, yes - fed Jackal too hard, they could just barely burst before I killed her.
But Rheax's team won.

[swift mango]

I guess 26% deficit couldn't make it hahaha

[bleak shale]

i feel like when ur in chal 8-10 and diamond ur just screwed most of the time, theres so many people who can hit u atleast 1 will have a decent team

[wicked horizon]

Cinderella too strong fr.

[bleak shale]

u gotta abuse the reset and climb to 7+

and keep it

[quick lake]

Blood is here!

[swift mango]

I'm lurking often 👍. Have you seen rosy around the last 2 days?

[quick lake]

Yeah I think I did, like once ytd maybe

She sent an emote, then disappeared

[swift mango]

Hope my luck doesn't affect people on this chat. Time to run.

[kindred tinsel]

[civic cipher]

I need help pvp1 pls 😭😭

[kindred tinsel]

yeah im just seeing who i can counter better than only fighting on cp now. everyone else is 1mil+ here

[cedar orbit]

I don't see Biscuit, you can't pvp

[kindred tinsel]

bricked

[civic cipher]

I'm having problems with my top 1 :((

if i don't have biscuit i can't play pvp?

[swift mango]

You want rookie team or SP teams?

[civic cipher]

I want rookie team

[cedar orbit]

Send screenshot of enemy team

[civic cipher]

Ok

[swift mango]

What is your Quantum cube level?

And do your Laplace have treasure?

[keen vapor]

Nah, too low CP for that

[swift mango]

Well, if they have treasure but no OL.

[keen vapor]

See? No doll

[swift mango]

Yeah

[civic cipher]

I have a SR doll picker

but i have not used it

[civic cipher]

Zaith

[swift mango]

Guess you could go with

Ein+Blanc+ASS+Centi+Jackal.

For defense

[civic cipher]

Thank you

[swift mango]

Swap your team position like my list.

We are having a mirror match here though....

[cedar orbit]

Opponent knows how to pvp, he has Biscuit

[civic cipher]

do you mean like this

[swift mango]

Not like it has much difference in this case

[swift mango]

Noise+Noah+ASS+Centi+Jackal

How is this team CP look like?

[swift mango]

Yes. It's for Defense.

Now for attacking that team ..

[civic cipher]

Should B3 be replaced with another option?

[swift mango]

In what team?

[civic cipher]

I think it is hopeless

[swift mango]

You could also do

Ein+Noah+ASS+Liter+Jackal

This is for both attack and defense.

[swift mango]

It's winnable so long as your ASS is invested.

How is your ASS skill looks like?

[civic cipher]

Here

[swift mango]

Good enough.

So either

Ein+ASS+Liter+Jackal+Noah

Or

Noise+Noah (with Adjustant cube so higher CS than Noise) +ASS+Centi+Jackal

They should be able to win. Be sure ASS is equipped with Resilience though.

[civic cipher]

Okayy

Thank you very much

[swift mango]

Wait wait ... For Noise team I wouldn't use Ein....

That would mess up Jackal link. My bad...

[strong hull]

[cold steeple]

Can someone help me with the attack team? My third team is the only winning team

[civic cipher]

ok i understand

[swift mango]

Use your 2nd team to attack their first team. Make sure Noise have more CS than Noah...

[cold steeple]

Alright thanks

[swift mango]

Also, you might want to replace Noise with Rumani to have fast enough burst speed

[cold steeple]

sure I have Rumani

Nice I won

[gaunt cypress]

the CP in your bracket seems to be very low

450+ should be around 2,6M

[swift mango]

Also don't put Noah in p5 is Noise team.... She won't be able to burst.

My bad again... Sorry

[civic cipher]

Okk no problemm

[bright mantle]

how do i counter this noah team?

[quick lake]

Swap scarlet out for a good burst gen unit. Emilia can counter Noah. Alternatively, SAnis works as well

[quick lake]

Saw someone in maincord with a 38% atk 66% ele Rosanna

[unique wagon]

Waiting for the day she will be meta (in champs arena).

Surely she will.

With some Jackal comps.

[unique wagon]

R o s a n n a.

SAnis + Blanc + RH (if they can burst in time and SAnis does not die and gets indom) can win.

Will need Vigor slapped on Jackal/the other B3 if they have less HP.

If SAnis gets taunted and does not hit Scarlet, she shouldn't be killing herself after first shot.

[coarse lake]

just indom emi it

oh that's a 2rl

just 2rl emi it

noah/biscuit/emi/rapunzel/jackal

[unique wagon]

Last team I went like this. My Emilia didn't have enough damage and killed herself.

You definitely want to ask for investments.

[coarse lake]

oh yeah ig that could happen

[vapid lake]

woke up half an hr earlier than usual for this

[lunar pawn]

to play nikke

[unique wagon]

Eh, unbuffed SAnis can still win.

[kindred tinsel]

reset time lets go

[cedar orbit]

special arena goes brrr

[unique wagon]

two whales fighting

[cedar orbit]

nah, just day rolled over

[unique wagon]

bro my pvp person also doing the same thing SMH

hahahahahahaha

[cedar orbit]

it's annoying, because he only wastes his attacks when I'm first

he can beat everyone in the bracket, but only decides to nuke my attacks

[unique wagon]

I know this guy is now on at reset time

[cedar orbit]

know the online times of the top 5

[unique wagon]

I somehow noticed

[unique wagon]

this person never online at reset

but i know he was gonna do it

[tropic summit]

you're almost korean now

[unique wagon]

hmm I think this person does not have Makima too. I think I SHOULD abuse 5 man SG comps.

[vapid lake]

i'm half korean
dad's korean and mum's chinese

[cedar orbit]

Makima doesn't exist

[tropic summit]

it's already in your blood then

a true korean plays nikke pvp before breakfast

[vapid lake]

but i don't know how to speak or write or read korean

[kindred tinsel]

pvp done for now

[cedar orbit]

+32

[tropic summit]

challanger as bricked, is the dream gonna happen?

[cedar orbit]

challenger is a few days away from him

[kindred tinsel]

i hope so

[cedar orbit]

now that I have no attacks left, I don't have to check special arena today

imagine getting elevatored down to like rank 10

[vapid lake]

pray that noone below u is in this server and saw what just happened

[bleak shale]

imagine not shuffing your defense team to buy time before reset

since the guy above cant see ur team before they hit u

[tropic summit]

[bleak shale]

[cedar orbit]

if they come here, I will give them the teams to beat me

[bleak shale]

idk how my opponents arent winning because the teams to beat me are the same teams i use for defense

but shuffled in a different order

literally unable to copy homework

[cedar orbit]

they get whale checked

[bleak shale]

theyre higher cp than me

i get whale checked on cp i cant even use flex picks

[vapid lake]

maybe they're satisfied with that current gem income and don't wanna care about pvp relatable

[slow heart]

so this team is inconsistent, I just had a lvl up and lost

[cedar orbit]

team literally can't lose

was it the same opponent?

[valid fern]

Anyone here use Pepper? she seems fun. but I have to prioritize building a bunch of others nikkes first

[cedar orbit]

I think you really need Pepper's skin to use her

[tropic summit]

yes she's not as good without skin

[valid fern]

too bad they never gonna rerun those

[vapid lake]

yea i do use pepper but only on attack

[slow heart]

yes

[cedar orbit]

do you have a vid?

[cedar orbit]

Anyone has an idea how the opposing team manages to be sometimes 3RL, sometimes 4 RL? Cindy's decoy doesn't get hit

on the vid we can see that SBS was immune before Cindy's burst came up

[cedar orbit]

cubes didn't change

opponent had the same CS

[tropic summit]

probably quantum lvl 7 and they may be running noah on 17%+ CS

as you can see their tier from 3.5 and 4 is just a bit of a difference

but uh the real question should be why you running naga on p1 and not noah on p1 anyway

against their team a s.anis comp would generally win

as they lack sustain

[cedar orbit]

the enemy team already had Noah's immunity before Cindy's burst came up, so it must have been 3 RL

Noah dies at P1

but it should be impossible for that team to be 3 RL

[tropic summit]

keep in mind noah is a B2, it hits slightly earlier than a B3

regardless, that comp is wrong against theirs, just use s.anis and bypass the whole issue

or an emilia 3RL with noah emi RH flex flex

[cedar orbit]

I don't agree with it being wrong, since it should be 1 whole RL faster

[tropic summit]

it's not 1 RL faster, if they running quantum, and by their speed it's a safe assumption, plus possibile 18% CS, they could reach at least 3.5RL

your team is a 3RL, noah could hit B2 while you doing B3

in this case, instead of gambling, you should take the easier approaches above, but up to you

[cedar orbit]

You lack the critical information that I'm not willingly running those units

also it's a lvl 312 fight, it's fair to assume no lvl 7 quantum

[tropic summit]

alright, yet they're hitting burst before you... it's like running into a wall and questioning why it's there

i gave you my input, do of it what you will

[slow heart]

I doubt he focused on quantum that much instead of either resil or bastion

[cedar orbit]

Noah burst is already online here

bit hard to tell, but there seem to be no charge speed shenanigans

[tropic summit]

their sync lvl is 326, i'm at 314, yet i've almost hit quantum lvl7, the other screen is my bastion and resi cubes (5 and 10)

the only ways to boost burst gen speed is CS%, quantum and feed

[slow heart]

I am the 326 player

[tropic summit]

they're on your same bracket

same server creation date

[slow heart]

yeah I went for bastion 7 and resil 9

[tropic summit]

ya there you go... don't assume they didn't go quantum lvl 7 then

[cedar orbit]

to be fair, I think I got over the quantum question

[tropic summit]

again, i wouldn't focus too much on burst gen but rather your choice of picks against their, if you can't win with burst gen, for whatever reason, just pick a safer bet

else fight a different team

[cedar orbit]

@slow heart does your Jackal have charge speed?

[slow heart]

no ol

[cedar orbit]

Jackal's 4th rocket was shielded by Noah. It means that by 4 RL, Noah's shields were up

the fastest speed the enemy team could be is 3.5 RL, Noah's shield comes up 4.32 RL for that team

[cedar orbit]

this screenshot should be impossible

[vapid lake]

that's not noah burst that's biscuit invul

[cedar orbit]

Scarlet's cover was hit by a rocket and you don't see a damage number

meaning Scarlet was invuln too

[vapid lake]

those are not numbers?

[tropic summit]

help me out

[vapid lake]

no u help me out

[slow heart]

man, seeing you guys discuss this battel shows me how shallow my knowledge is

[cedar orbit]

cover takes damage even if you are immune

the one I sent, Scarlet takes damage, her cover too, right before Noah's burst

however on the 4 RL screenshot, Scarlet's cover takes damage, but above her head, we don't see the white damage number

meaning one of the immune message is Scarlet's

from my point of view, it's not a discussion of whether the team should win or not, it's a discussions of how is it possible for a at best 3.5 RL team to have Noah burst up at 4 RL

[tropic summit]

cindy nuke is delayed and hits at random, keep that in mind aswell

i really wouldn't want to use cindy in those burst gen terms of this match

[cedar orbit]

I'm sorry if I come off as rude, 1 the calc is wrong, because it assumes Tia bursts, the calc should check the order of units

[prisma marlin]

I thought the 3 seconds of shooting was all random and the win loss is calculated when you click on play

[cedar orbit]

2nd, I'm not talking about Cindy burst, I'm talking about 4 RL Noah burst

[vapid lake]

man how are u so fast on the burst gen calculator

[tropic summit]

matches are in fact pre determinated, e.g. the moment you click "quick play" the outcome is already pushed on the server

[vapid lake]

i didnt get to post the same pic

[tropic summit]

fastest fingers of the west

i dunno it feels like talking to a guy where you need to explain why water is wet, but they refuse to believe any clue you throw at them

[cedar orbit]

this is the real 3.5 RL Noah burst speed

[vapid lake]

also probably cindy auto attack rng

[tropic summit]

you're not rude, we discussing the topic it's cool

perhaps someone later can add more inputs, honestly I just wouldn't gamble on that matchup, too many variables i'd rather avoid and just easy mode with s.anis

for emilia havers, that's also a no brainer

[cedar orbit]

his Biscuit and Noah are insanely uninvested

anyways, I think our main point of disagreement comes from this, I feel I'm not the one that doesn't understand. If you think that in this pic Scarlet is not immune, it's fine, we are talking about different things then.

[vapid lake]

if we remove 0.5s because of tia not bursting then it checks out, noah kicks in at 4.22 while his team bursts at 4.16

[tropic summit]

aye, that's my theory aswell

and what i've been trying to say

[vapid lake]

and cindy 10 hits are delayed

[tropic summit]

yeah cindy doesn't help in this scenario

[cedar orbit]

I understand, I get the memo that Cindy's burst has a delay

on the screenshot Cindy hasn't bursted yet

the screenshot is at around 4.1 RL

[vapid lake]

then u can chalk it up to the enemy's OL having CS lines and his don't + cindy autoattack rng

[tropic summit]

the 18% CS might be the true deal breaker here, combined with those sneaky quantum

or rather, i can't think of much else of a reason

[vapid lake]

||adjutant cube ||

[tropic summit]

cindy is in p3 so it can't be decoy funny things either

[tropic summit]

now that'd be interesting variable

[cedar orbit]

the thing is, we have the vid, we can see no meaningful differences, units on the same charge time have the same amount of ammo

enemy team just has full charge at 3 RL

Cindy attacking makes no difference

[slow heart]

ping me if you have any changes, I need to make up for the sleep I lost yesterday, thx again

[glacial lion]

scar 3 stack + anne cant kill sbs

[vapid lake]

never show 3rd fight

blue ball viewers

[kindred tinsel]

[swift mango]

Guess dude is Crit build and you luckily missed the Crit on SBS. Everyone else got crited and ded.

I think Anne slight delay buff never goes off too as you could see that Scarlet never got healed.

[swift mango]

https://nikke.gg/characters/anne-miracle-fairy/

As you could read here. Anne has a slight delayed with her buff. So you killed her after she burst but before her buffed is applied.

The same thing happened to my Blanc many times when I tried to fight the same guy and my Blanc buff never hit.

The tell here is that his Scarlet was never healed.

Anne buff is accompanied with a heal.

[swift mango]

Look at your own pic again. Their Noah has more CS than yours.

Your Noah is 2/6 ammo and his Noah is 8/13.

This make big difference since his 4th shot could easily be at 3.7 RL and below and having his Noah burst before your Cindy.

The b2 units burst 0.32RL before B3. That makes Noah bursting in 3.8RL and faster able to block your 3.5rl Cindy nuke.

[cedar orbit]

That's not the argument. Argument is that Noah's burst was up at 4 RL, being it an impossibility. The screenshot you are referencing has 9/13, you can check the video, the Biscuit, 2 Noah and Jackal shoot at about the same time and enemy Noah definitely has double digits number just before the moment Jackal drops to 2/6

Jackal's 4th rocket, before Cindy's burst, hit enemy SBS, SBS was immune

[swift mango]

There is a delay of 0.52RL from the moment his team entering B1 to when Noah B2 at well.

So his Noah would burst after 4RL if his team was 3.5RL or above.

And your Cindy will burst at 4.34 in a 3.5rl team.

Just look at the pic with Gatrix calculator.

[thorn pagoda]

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[cedar orbit]

Cinderella's burst window DOES NOT matter

[swift mango]

It matters because you will be blocked.

[cedar orbit]

the argument IS NOT about Cinderella's burst getting blocked

it's not about the outcome of the battle

it's about Jackal's 4th rocket on Scarlet getting blocked

no matter what you put into a calc, Noah's burst should never be up at 4 RL

[swift mango]

The, calculator doesn't calculate CS as they already claimed.

A Noah with 15% CS will fire her 4th shot at 3.4RL and Noah would burst before 4rl

There is also a small delay between a RL shot until when it hits. Idk how much is that though. But it doesn't matter here.

[cedar orbit]

burst speed at 4 RL doesn't matter

this screenshot is just before 3 RL, everyone at the same ammo, Viper finished shooting a long ago

at 15% CS if we assume rockets instantly hit, it's 2.55 RL, Noah should have shot right after Viper

plus Noah alone would never gain enough energy when the whole team at best is 3.5 RL

[swift mango]

Like I said, just watch again.

Your 2RL will hit before their 3rl it's normal. But the difference with just getting bigger over time after each shot.

It's just how Arena work. If you don't want to believe me then fine. Not like helping you understanding Arena mechanic would help me with anything.

If you don't want to understand how Arena in this game work then it's on you

[cedar orbit]

literally 2-3 frames difference

no reason to be high and mighty, the video is there, yet everyone just ignores it

[swift mango]

Eh well, my bad if you feel that way.

So you mean their Noah was immune before you B2? That's Biscuit s2 effect.

[tropic summit]

3 people told you already the same thing @cedar orbit , surely there MIGHT be a reason

it's likely CS%, just pick a different comp

(or get those OL lines)

[cedar orbit]

so basically the replay is wrong

[tropic summit]

[swift mango]

Post your replay again and tell me what you find wrong about it?

[cedar orbit]

this

[swift mango]

So what is wrong about it?

[cedar orbit]

4th rocket shot on Scarlet was blocked

you can see how the shot hits her cover

[swift mango]

The only thing wrong about it is that Viper hit Noah from the start. Maybe that was cause by some bug that change targeting like SR trick.

[swift mango]

That's is normal if Noah burst at 4rl or faster. A 15%+ CS Noah could do it.

[cedar orbit]

SBS has 0.3 secs charge time

don't think it's worth arguing

[swift mango]

Yeah my bad just checked it after I posted

My SBS is only half built and used for tower lol. Haven't touched her much right now so some number may be missing from my brain.

[cedar orbit]

If we had no video, I will tell you what's my issue with the CS argument

[swift mango]

What do you even mean here? In the Video you could see Opponent shot faster than the rest of the team.

[cedar orbit]

here you can see that the two Noah, Biscuit, and Jackal have the same charge speed, Tia has some CS lines, RH naturally gains 3.91 CS/shot

anyways, assume someone on the team has higher CS. The whole team needs to shoot at the target to gain 100 energy at 3.5 RL. Let's say your Noah is goated and has 15% extra CS. Noah needs to make her 4th charge to help out on the 3 RL burst time, so the fastest 3 RL burst will be Noah's 4th shot. Noah's 4th shot is at 3.4 RL at 15% CS

[swift mango]

Okay I think I get what you meant. Your Cindy burst before their Noah 4th hit right?

This may solve your problem though.

There is also the fact that the player Noah at P5 taunt can make other RL switch target and may release their shot early on Cindy. Especially SBS fast charge attack. This give them a bit more burst gen.

[cedar orbit]

Jackal had no CS, Noah has shields up for Jackal's rocket, so at 4 RL. It takes 0.82 RL for Noah's burst to kick in, so the team needed to have full charge at 3.18 RL. 15% CS Noah makes her 4th shot at 3.4 RL, therefore her having extra CS would not have generated energy in time for the team.

Cindy's decoy took no damage.

maybe SBS's charge speed is goated and she happened to generate like 6 energy for the team between 3 and 3.18 RL

but having 15% CS on Tia, Noah, Biscuit does not help in generating energy before 3 RL

[bleak shale]

im pretty sure its a cindy p3 issue

its not the first time ive had issues with cindy p3

i dont trust the decoy damage not poping up

i moved her to p4/5 and havent had that issue since

[rough aspen]

Any recommendations on what I should use for my last team here?
The Nikke's in the SS are the remaining immediately usable ones I have.

[rich quail]

Is this a Cindy p3 buggy-bug, you think?

[bleak shale]

it might be but im not sure

u can see the opponet team should be pretty far from 2 or 2.5 rl

with 2 jackal feeds he still needs like 20% of a bar so theres no way scarlet procs can make up for that?

[rich quail]

Hmmm
I can help experiment later, if needed

My Cindy is slowly getting built up (about all OL+3 gears)

[bleak shale]

i just recall saving this clip from when i first started playing with cindy and had an issue like this

decoys overall r just kinda a mystery for alot of us tbh we havent really had to worry about them since it was only a rei thing basically

[rich quail]

I’ll give Cindy p3 a try later, record and ping u

Just to see if we can see any consistencies

[swift mango]

Yeah I can see the problem now.

It was 3RL vs 3.5-4RL team.

And their team literally burst at 3RL.

I would tribute this to hitting Cindy and her decoy somehow.

1. Her decoy is a little turned to the right. So RL may hit her decoy if they hit p5.

2. Noah maybe could hit 3 target like Emilia. I'm not sure about this someone else could confirm.

3. Their Noah and SBS released a shot on P2-4 once when they were first taunted by Noah and on the way of moving their Aim to P5.

[bleak shale]

noah does not hit 3 targets

[swift mango]

Yeah so the 2. may be excluded.

[cedar orbit]

Cindy was full hp, taking no damage at all too, also if the decoy gets hit, it would display yellow damage numbers saying decoy, right?

[bleak shale]

.

unless i survived 26 scarlet s2 procs

[swift mango]

Her decoy could be hit and she won't take dmg from that so maybe 1.

[bleak shale]

this shouldnt have been possible without something giving extra gen

[swift mango]

Could try again with Noah p1.

[glad meteor]

What was the full team changed to?

[bleak shale]

i just moved my cindy to p5

and biscuit to p3, i havent had the issue since

i coulda been unlucky idk but its working so i never went back