pvp-arena

[severe nimbus]

f2p here and im at 433 atm. would be higher but I didnt use gems for event attempts early on.

[loud sonnet]

No xanne rerun

[ancient bison]

still regret not pulling xanne 2 times

[gaunt cypress]

what your campaign/hard stage progress, 31/33 ?

[thorny ember]

For real

Got 3 xrupee from 340 no xlud banner last year

[loud sonnet]

I could've bought her last xmas event but pvp is not my priority at that time

[thorny ember]

And decided not to ticket anne out of principal

And su shafting me again this xmas

Su making some questionable decisions

[gaunt cypress]

i got xmaid at 90 pulls

[ancient bison]

yeah pvp is not priority but having her looks fun for special arena

[thorny ember]

Shes def good piece to have

Can we complain to su on this discord?

[gaunt cypress]

she's water SR slave

[gaunt cypress]

there's feedback channel

https://discord.com/channels/946719263866101821/1313956588251516949

[brittle hill]

Hmm so it says Maiden activates her S2 every time she shoots, but it doesn't actually stick. Battery is pretty bad paired with Cindy. I haven't tried a pvp team yet in practice range

[copper creek]

https://discord.com/channels/946719263866101821/1314171223806185524

pls upvote guys ,ty

[tropic summit]

10/10 this

[thorny ember]

Thnx. Seems theres alrdy ppl complaining 👌

[gaunt cypress]

fixed SYNC level on arena when

[tropic summit]

anything that doesn't benefit whales, you won't get that

paying customers are (in most cases) priority in gachas

[gaunt cypress]

its like CN player in every hoyo games , they always get top priority

[quick lake]

Seems like xMaiden is Clip SG-level burst gen

[bleak latch]

another burst gen / dps off burst unit into my collection

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/675056729901236224/1230114210634272779/ichm_jh210520.gif

[graceful grotto]

Fr?

Glad I pull her kewk, also pull xmica

Time to OL her

[steady sierra]

did anyone test maiden's burst gen, is she pvp worthy for battery?

[analog tendon]

feel like I might have lost to this person because of a bug with this latest update? Might have been a one off thing and made sure to confirm my DEF team just in case. Even their PVP specific units were not that high power level

[quick lake]

U just CP-gapped them

You could auto the team and still win

[gaunt sentinel]

where burst 1?

[copper creek]

if u are on penalty then yeah lol
that team just looks like a massive cpmaxx team

[vapid lake]

Really? xmaiden is clip sg burst gen?

That extra hit on s2 give that much burst?

[copper creek]

are you sure?

[vapid lake]

At least it should be like laplaceT

[copper creek]

laplace+ is virtually clip sg for all intents and purposes

[vapid lake]

But a bit worse because xmaiden s2 only hit 1 target

[quick lake]

Snake briefly mentioned in commcord. Not 100% sure

Apparently..

[copper creek]

we'll test slowly
im just getting drunk atm

[tawny vine]

you can tell if it's an account being sold off for arena if their message is jjc or w/e

looks to be pretty common

[swift mango]

Yeah, I was confused replesnish and recover and realized that later on.

[thorn pagoda]

isn't that some kind of Chinese chat service similar to whatsapp

weebo or something

weibo?

[tawny vine]

it's a group chat for QQ

[copper creek]

jjc = rookie
pjjc = sp.a

[thorn pagoda]

ah. nice
ty

[thorn pagoda]

🤯 it suddenly all makes sense

seen a few of those

[copper creek]

this guy is asking - if u are in same rookie group and wanna be friends, join that group

[thorn pagoda]

ah. gotcha. tried translating it but it didn't do a good job lol

[robust pulsar]

1

[thorn pagoda]

you are #1st? very nice

wtf. just noticed you are commander level 628
i've never seen a level that high before

@copper creek is there any way i can improve my formation?
this formation is probably lacking

[trail inlet]

you have jackal?

or nah

[thorn pagoda]

still no Jackal lmao
Blank doesn't have any OL gear unfortunately
but can do that. it just takes like 4 days to do all 4 pieces

[half grail]

Is the new maiden good for pvp?

[trail inlet]

yeah most teams are centered around noah, blanc and jackal

or a combination with biscuit

[thorn pagoda]

that's absolutely true

in the last special arena bracket, i was 3rd so i'll have to get used to being 4th
my ego though

[trail inlet]

honestly if spent gems are above 300 might as well

[robust pulsar]

3RL

[trail inlet]

stay in the tier below

[thorn pagoda]

😮

[half grail]

How’s the burst gen for xmaiden?

[vapid lake]

Same laplaceT

[brittle hill]

Similar to Noah. Even with a deficit, great defense

[half grail]

Ah so not another Emilia?

[vapid lake]

Nop

Decently tanky filler burst gen to slot in

[half grail]

okay so she won’t be a burst genner then

[vapid lake]

She's around clip SG burst gen like laplaceT

[half grail]

Oh she a clip RL then?

[vapid lake]

No worse than clip RL

[half grail]

Like Centi?

Oh idk

[vapid lake]

But better than normal RL

[half grail]

So meh for pvp then

[brittle hill]

I'm going to try and get 21 CS again to replace Noah. Just testing things out

[half grail]

I guess I’ll not pull more copies

[tawny vine]

if you care about burst gen she is above average for pvp

[quick lake]

21 cs on... xmaiden?

[half grail]

All good still trying to go to finish up my Emilia burst gender CS lines

[brittle hill]

I don't know what I'm doing

[pastel owl]

her s2 give an extra hit every full charge

[brittle hill]

But yeah I hit so early in union raid anyways. I give up on PvE hard climb too since I'm stuck on mother whale

[quasi prism]

@terse abyss

I think we don't share pvp arena anymore buddy

[swift mango]

Uhm is there testing result for her burst gen already? I feel like she would Regen less than Laplace+.

[swift mango]

Was this tested or just spectaciation?

[eager mountain]

[quick lake]

Not sure. Snake mentioned that it is slip sg burst gen. No extensive testing yet

[vapid lake]

I went into shooting range and just shot once, the bar jumps a lot farther than a normal RL shot

[swift mango]

The wording isn't the same at Laplace+ so I won't be so sure how much faster it is.

[vapid lake]

It should be a bit worse than laplaceT because the extra hit only hits one target

[eager mountain]

checked twit, jp saying its 27.3 in 3rl

https://x.com/dbdaisukidaniel/status/1864610620307317080?s=46

[vapid lake]

Damn saving fodder for christmas was worth

[bleak latch]

so maiden gud for burst gen?

[eager mountain]

now its a bit temping to mlb her

basically clip sg that doesnt feed, even higher then laplace+ appearently

[bleak latch]

[eager mountain]

[quick lake]

Maiden defender works with biscuit too

[vapid lake]

Yea but just being a tanky filler burst gen is good enough

Prolly don't want to burst with her

[bleak latch]

time to gear her up

[eager mountain]

yeah offburst elec buffer + burst gen

[swift mango]

No xAnne in the shop. Idk if she would come with XGuil banner or not.

[eager mountain]

basically better then any non sanis SG for non emilia team

[vapid lake]

Xanne gone forever let's go

[swift mango]

Considering the ran both last year banner at same time, high chance they would run xAnne and xRupee along with Xguil

[eager mountain]

max copium suggest that the chance of her returning in 2 weeks isnt 0% but pretty much 0%

they will have 6 sp banner at the same time if they do that

sounds insane enough

[swift mango]

Nah I wouldn't

[eager mountain]

getting a single(1) actually meta relevent elysion chara, omg

not as broken as 2023 release sanis overall but impressive enough, especially for an elysion

[swift mango]

Sometime I forget how rig this gacha can be. 100 pulls for 2 SSR dupe. I give up.... Will stop pulling for the next 10 events.

[eager mountain]

prob just gonna save instead of mlbing her so that i can still c7 liberalio anytime her banner drops (copium)

[lunar dirge]

Well, at least she's on s.anis level(in raids at least )

[dreamy drum]

xMaiden is really good for PvP honestly

Since she is a defender (for biscuit synergy) with high burst gen and worth investing into her skills and gears for Solo Raid, so she actually has good CP

[tropic summit]

[dreamy drum]

Btw for those curious how burst gen works, she is essentially a normal RL burstgen unit. Her extra burstgen comes from her S2 which counts as an additional hit

In PvP, RL units will hit 3 units if there are enemies on both side which increases burst gen by 3

but since RLs will usually only target P1 (if not taunted), its only 2x

Additional hit from S2 counts as a normal attack's worth of burst gen, but can only hit 1 enemy

So its pretty easy to calc her burst gen

It works essentially the same as LaplaceTreasure

[copper creek]

i will not build teams in this server

[thorn pagoda]

on discord? fair enough

[fathom rock]

@keen vapor i got xmica

1/10/1?

[copper creek]

xmica is a highly niche unit that most people have no use for as far as sp.a is concerned lol

[swift mango]

The wording of her skill 2 is that it hit another target near the cross hair. Laplace+ wording is that it add another hit to everyone it hits. Totally 2 different things.

[fathom rock]

Took me 1 multi I ain't complaining lol

[copper creek]

yeah thats my answer re: your investment question, dont (yet)

[fathom rock]

I can use more units with burst regen
Does she enable 2rl cindy with 1 buffer

[swift mango]

So I'm waiting for people to actually test it. I could try testing it myself but my luck is so bad I just want to quit try hard for awhile.

[copper creek]

xmica will never have anything to do with cindy

[quick lake]

Just use noise to buff cindy

[copper creek]

or... wait

yeah there are other uses for her

[terse abyss]

Twas a good run

[swift mango]

At 1-10-1 she isn't any better than Pepper.

She want max investment to be a buffer because she buff base on her own attack.

[fathom rock]

4/10/10?

And atk ol?

[quick lake]

for niche B1 buffer

[swift mango]

More like max doll and gear

[fathom rock]

Rossana treatment

[copper creek]

thats not why

[quick lake]

Also for her burst gen isnt it

[copper creek]

anyway the honest answer is just hold onto her first, there may not be a desperate need to invest her at all at the rate we're getting strong burst gen units

[dreamy drum]

Oh my bad then, in that case xMaiden should be slightly less burst gen than laplaceT

[fathom rock]

When I play 40% deficit my 2rl cindy needs a buffer to work

[fathom rock]

Ok, how's xmaid regen

[copper creek]

if u decide to take a fight at 40% deficit x.mica will typically not be your solution

didnt i have summary/initial impression here

oh wait this is maincord
yeah fair enough

[copper creek]

27.3

[fathom rock]

That's nice 📝

[swift mango]

better than a clip SG

[swift mango]

Already tested?

[copper creek]

according to jp yes
to our end it looks about right

... i keep saying i will stop helping here lmao

[swift mango]

@dreamy drum

[copper creek]

but yeah looks about right to me, wait for dataminers

to be sure

[swift mango]

Guess she will replace pepper in ASS team then

A good investment for tower

[copper creek]

pepper in ass team is interesting

[swift mango]

As well..

[fathom rock]

Sounds ass ngl

[swift mango]

Just a cope burst fill and a small heal. That comp isn't even meta but you could find in lots of Guides

Nothing rare here

[copper creek]

yeah i used to recc that when teambuilding, im just not sure now that moran exists it has to be pepper

feels to me very outdated archetype lol

but i guess that is the point, i just think it was long outdated, and not out of date only now

[swift mango]

Moran+Pepper+ASS+Biscuit+clip RL is exactly a 3rl team. And it protect ASS + Biscuit from p2 rocket hit

[copper creek]

theres a better answer to pepper here.

[dreamy drum]

oh wow higher?

[copper creek]

oops forgot to get back to u. yeah you were right here

[swift mango]

There is no other clip SG b1 to replace pepper.

I could use Rumani but it's a waste.

Now I could put Rumani there and XMaiden at p5

[copper creek]

you almost had it here - a similar variation was already possible

that didnt put two shotguns on the same team

wait let me check if we discussed that one publicly before

[swift mango]

You can but it's not that team anymore. It's not rocket science.

[copper creek]

ok wasnt discussed here

its still the moran/biscuit/sanus/x/x archetype

[swift mango]

It's very easy to put Biscuit to P2 and just use Laplace+

Everyone know about it

[copper creek]

nope not la++

[swift mango]

Anything would do

[copper creek]

obviously not lol i wouldnt be hiding it if it was just that

[swift mango]

So long as 3rl.

[covert lintel]

it seems this reshuffle only switching between 2 bracket

[swift mango]

You could hide it because it's just nothing special

[copper creek]

considering how happy/unhappy people are being about reshuffle

its already doing more than it used to (i.e. nothing)

[swift mango]

If you use Emilia 28% you could get away with just her + another mag RL

[copper creek]

cue back to when zixk got reshuffled and legitimately went wide-eyed out of surprise 🤣

[eternal finch]

So, is Maiden cooking for PVP?

[copper creek]

at least some movement is actually happening now 🤣

[quick lake]

My bracket has no whales now means more sweaty also

[swift mango]

Biscuit not at P2 is basically what's good about Pepper in ASS team. P2 biscuit is just another team altogether.

[copper creek]

of course biscuit not p2

[fathom rock]

I better not see you in my bracket

[swift mango]

This is what you typed

[copper creek]

yeah i just threw units there without thinking about pos, but anyway thats all i have to say about it atm

[copper creek]

if we are in same bracket that would be funny

[fathom rock]

Only for you

[copper creek]

why not funny for you? it would be funny for all of us i think 🤣

[swift mango]

Moran+Rumani+ASS+Biscuit+XMaiden will be the ASS team anyway.

[copper creek]

u get to participate in the west vs. BRICS

[swift mango]

It's funny to hide inferior team

[fathom rock]

Just 1 new whale

[copper creek]

wake up one day and some person shows u that some chinese dude made a spreadsheet of all your attack times

[fathom rock]

Nah I'm too random with those

[copper creek]

and tried to guess your timezone and work hours from it

ultimate level of brilliance i never expected from a MOBILE game

[dreamy drum]

some guy was legit attacking me based on that pattern

[quick lake]

I should... do that

[dreamy drum]

and ofc it was cn

[fathom rock]

My pvp bracket just goes
"me have more cp"
"me happy"

[lunar dirge]

Nah, we'd win(I'm the BRICS)

[fathom rock]

How's your bracket, the whale vanished yet?

[umbral crown]

🧱

[copper creek]

u would run out of gem first 🤣
that bracket was the best

[lunar dirge]

C3 guy vanished

[copper creek]

thank god no more of that lmao

[swift mango]

There is no partern to your attack time if you just hit them back 1 min after they hit you

Be an ultimate player

[copper creek]

thats how i got reported for using script 🙂

[sleek root]

Am i nerfting my Cinderella if i were to put her at the 1st slot(Most left)? Since she needs to have Decoy for more nuke dmg?

[fathom rock]

Enemy team regen will skyrocket if p1 cindy

[swift mango]

You just nerfing you win chance and burst gen, not Cindy

[sleek root]

OH yeah!! The decoy counts as an extra hit!

[swift mango]

P1 Cindy won't even be target. They will target p2 instead

So that's 3 extra hit not 1

For RL.

[thorn pagoda]

chalk it down to Chinese living conditions being so bad, they have to pay to win in a mobile gacha game in order to compensate for their terrible lives and feel good about something

[sleek root]

2nd slot then?

[thorn pagoda]

and although this isn't the place to talk about it, feminism has made it's way to China, and a lot of men have diverged into gacha games instead of forming relationships with women lol

it's bad in the UK & US too. i can't talk

[copper creek]

this isnt necessarily true

its just, lets say someones making 8 figures a year, if they wanna spend couple grand per week on a mobile gacha game that they enjoy on their downtime, why not

[thorn pagoda]

i'm just imagining a Chinese guy in his late 20s working grueling hours in an iphone factory for 12 hours a day and then he comes home alone due to how terrible women can be in modern times

with their high expectations & standards

[unique wagon]

9.1 per RL

[copper creek]

dont imagine that, its not good for your mental

but yeah while that for sure exists, its just a lot of people who are so rich they can drop couple grand here and there and not feel it

[thorn pagoda]

it's bad in the west too though. it's bad in the US & UK

i just don't think it's as bad over here as it is in China

[copper creek]

no i get that, im just saying a lot of the people with ridiculous gacha game spend are not spending that much for the sole reason of escapism from the horrors of their real life

even in global we have our favourite neurosurgeon that doesnt play the game but still c7s everything just because he can

amongst others

9.1/1rl at 3rl = 27.3...

[thorn pagoda]

do you think these Chinese bot players who bought their accounts are really that rich,
perhaps they are spending way too much of their income and leaving just enough to get by on bills & rent? i'm asking because i don't know really

[copper creek]

idk, its not something i think about

i genuinely hope they are

more people winning at life cant be a bad thing

[thorn pagoda]

that would be for the best. i'm just a bit too pessimistic

[swift mango]

That has nothing to do with you though. Whichever makes one happy.

[copper creek]

ultimately just enjoy yourself as best as u can while being responsible and safe within your means

if people decide that spending on this game brings enjoyment, thats great for them

[thorn pagoda]

yeah, i bought a motorcycle like 4 months ago and i'm not going to stress out over buying core dust & event passes on a gacha game tbh

it's just pixels on a screen

[copper creek]

yeah good stuff man, happy to hear u calmed down on ur spend on this game like u wanted to

[thorn pagoda]

it just affects people with poor mental health. it's like going to a casino when you play gacha games

[copper creek]

yeah

im glad u got out of that trap man

[thorn pagoda]

yeah tbh lol
it used to be really bad

i'll stay 4th, it's no big deal

[copper creek]

i remember you talking about it before, and im glad you've found other paths to enjoyment and i hope the motorcycle is indeed making u happier than this game

[thorn pagoda]

damn. that was quite awhile ago now. nice

[copper creek]

im generally more interested by real life anecdotes and conversations than that relating to the game lol

so if someone was being vulnerable/frank about their life that stuff sticks with me more than game discussion

as i think i said too back then - just wanna see everyone doing well for themselves

and im glad to see u doing better for urself

[thorn pagoda]

probably doing some self-projection when i talk about the Chinese bot players lol

i appreciate it man

[copper creek]

yeah maybe, but who cares, im sure we all have our moments and those trains of thoughts

it is true that dating, for example, in this day and age is freaking rough

that said oddly i dont mind it like that

[thorn pagoda]

yeah, i can imagine lonely guys spending their savings on gachas instead of on a family

living in the virtual world or something

when it's pay to win, at least in the virtual world it goes their way

[copper creek]

maybe that does happen

[thorn pagoda]

i've gone on long enough (again) lmao
i'll stop. it was nice talking to you dude

[copper creek]

idk, i dont think about it - i just try my best to not do that

what others' lives are like doesnt really matter to me - especially online strangers ive never spoken to

ultimately we just gotta do our best for ourselves

[thorn pagoda]

yeah, you're 100% right about that
and the same should apply irl too, for the most part

[copper creek]

like, even the dating thing (and life in general)

yeah i guess escapism into gacha games is one way people may deal with it

thats their choice, right

my way of dealing with it is making sure the story of my life is as fun and exciting as it can be bwahahahha

i just wanna be curious about things i come across, and engage with things and people as and when

i try to do meaningful work, and outside of that just really engage in my hobbies - cocktails, wine, food, etc.

so my choice is not to chase human connection, and just make the story of my life into one as beautiful as i can make it - and ill make the best i can of my encounters with people along that journey

because yeah dating (and a lot of life today) can be quite messed up - genuine human connection is a funny thing because the more i tried to seek it, the more elusive its gotten for me

so i just try to live well and whatever happens, happens x)

[thorn pagoda]

living in Asia must be nice at least

[umbral crown]

🎈

[copper creek]

im based in singapore, we're kinda as westernised and modern as far as the continent goes

so i do empathise with some of the gripes hahahahaha

but yeah even then i genuinely believe asia is the future. in many ways

my 14 year old niece can go out for starbucks at 3am and i really dont care

[quick lake]

Found a friend

[copper creek]

because this country is so safe i take it for granted nothing bad will happen to her

i dont feel this way about very many places

[copper creek]

singapore as well?

[quick lake]

yepp hahaha

[lunar pawn]

how's maiden's burst regen btw

anyone tested her yet?

[copper creek]

clip sg

[quick lake]

Good. 27.3, Clip SG level burst gen

[lunar pawn]

nice

[copper creek]

but yeah regardless of where u may be in the world, i think we all share similar struggles lol

genuine human connection can be a difficult thing to find. as can making ends meet, or maintaining a lifestyle

or providing for family/partner and etc - same struggles everywhere x)

[thorn pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-gosling-blade-runner-2049-jonah-gif-15461738203592622393

[upper grove]

So maiden worth it for pvp? I wanted to pull her anyway and I have 4 OL pieces ready

[quasi prism]

Yeh

Maybe we'll get each other again in the future

[umbral crown]

waos, take me with you

[orchid gazelle]

Hi, can someone help me cook 3 teams for SP def?

[copper creek]

as i said in rps, u lmk if u visit 🤣

[umbral crown]

excellent

[swift mango]

You could also use Pascal but it's basically stupid suggestions because newer player like me won't have him.

[bleak shale]

burst gen calc already up i was too lazy to post i updated earlier

[oblique magnet]

oof, my new pvp bracket is rough. Top 3 isnt feasible for me anymore as F2P

[thin abyss]

Is Maiden burst gen higher than Emilia's?
Tried a quick test in shooting range solo boss and she entered into full burst with 7 shots and Emilia needed 8

[bleak shale]

.

testing solo boss is a pretty bad way to figure out whos burst gen is higher because you hit different targets in pvp

[thin abyss]

Oh I see thx

[harsh arch]

She actually do magic in Arena, her burst generation is surprisingly good

[lunar pawn]

anyone tested her as the main b3 yet?

[swift mango]

Single target nuke wouldn't do much in Arena these day I fear.

We already have Alice, Laplace+ and Red Hood. Maiden just burst faster.

[tribal tartan]

Any of them good for pvp?

[molten lodge]

help, how to beat these teams in SP Arena?

[tribal tartan]

Who shall I pull for

[umbral crown]

all of them

but personally i would choose mica and maiden

for pvp purposes

im not pve

[tribal tartan]

My alt probably doesn’t have enough gems for all

[umbral crown]

tix

[tribal tartan]

What would the order to get be

[umbral crown]

that depends of you

and your focus

[tribal tartan]

My alt is for pvp

But I can’t get anything good

[kind glen]

blanc survives, and i pulled scarlet and modernia from new banner, should i change anything

[swift mango]

XMica can help your brick Campaign team a little I guess

[umbral crown]

would be nice

[kindred tinsel]

2 and 3 look beatable

xanne rh emilla t2

jackal, biscut and centi t3

[hot sigil]

Reshuffle got me good. Some guy who started after 1.5 anniversary began is already Synchro level 352.

[kindred tinsel]

not a full cook but someone can revise this

[tribal tartan]

Which banner do I pull first

[swift mango]

.... I fear the reason you are losing is because of CP gap. Their 3 teams should be very easy to beat otherwise.

[umbral crown]

Maiden,Mica and maybe last xlud

[tribal tartan]

Thanks

[umbral crown]

[quick lake]

Maiden’s not doing anything in the first battle

[quick lake]

Biscuit’s invuln just tanked RH’s burst

[gaunt cypress]

she can tank rossana burst if paired with bisct

any defender with bisc

[quick lake]

Well, mostly cause she’s a defender. You shouldnt really be bursting with xMaiden

[umbral crown]

if you could stall for a 2nd burst would be fine her burst i think

[tribal tartan]

Didn’t get xlud sadge

[quick lake]

Thats not good

Gonna be like xanne, never seen again

[umbral crown]

i will not even try

[tribal tartan]

At least I got the other 2

[quick lake]

xmica 1/10/10 investment

[gaunt cypress]

these 3 unit has high dmg from S2

[tribal tartan]

New roster, what do

[umbral crown]

waos

[tribal tartan]

Wao

[umbral crown]

https://tenor.com/view/doro-nikke-dorothy-gif-4211944325118705977

[umbral crown]

[tribal tartan]

I now need to somehow beat sp arena

[indigo dagger]

any idea how to beat

[umbral crown]

go C1 and unbrick your 199

[upper grove]

for the new maiden, her burst is just ST, not worth it I guess? Her burst regen seems nice

[tribal tartan]

Impossible

[indigo dagger]

i dropped ranks without losing

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

[tribal tartan]

Even if I whale I can’t win

[quick lake]

Not whaling enough

[tribal tartan]

I think it’s physically impossible at this point

[umbral crown]

you sure

[kindred tinsel]

[solid flare]

or should i just match the teams and roll the dice?

[tribal tartan]

Yes

[tropic summit]

team 3 is weak to scarlet - jackal
team 1 you can probably go any 3RL nuke (cindy, pmaid) or noah biscuit rapu SBS laplace (as they got no biscuit on t1)
team 2 is also doable as above, it's a RH B3 so you can just taunt and tank it out while you wipe whole team

[indigo dagger]

ty

[solid flare]

question about emilia 21%, i have from Ol gear
4.63+4.92+4.92+4.92=19.39
what level of skill1 do i need
and do i need to put in the 2.12% charge speed cube?

[umbral crown]

whats your S1 level

add the values from it

[solid flare]

11.19

i mean i have 19.39 from gear +2.12 from cube = 21.51%

i can select 21% on the calculator right?

even before calculating skill 1

[oblique magnet]

mustang's voice confused me for a second, lol. have only heard it in japanese and english

[thorn pagoda]

@umbral crown would you mind helping me out? cheers
despite having the highest combat power in my bracket, i lost to a scrub just now ff 😤

[umbral crown]

yes

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

will try to give you some teams

[thorn pagoda]

i can beat #1 and #2 in my bracket, but they keep using gems so there's no point in staying there lol

thanks m8

[tribal tartan]

When can I get teams

[violet prism]

Hello, can someone help me make a pvp team with above?

[solid flare]

which of these 2 teams should i try to break?

[gaunt cypress]

uhm... what just happen with rossana burst here why her burst split in 2 and 1 of them went to maiden

[gaunt cypress]

i didnt even bring rossana

its my opps rossana burst

[solid flare]

i cant see your team

[gaunt cypress]

oooh so thats just a bug, oakay i will abuse it

[quick lake]

Neon Anis RH xMaiden Tia

Do also read the pvp guides pinned

[violet prism]

thanks

[quick lake]

Would go for the first. Seems like a standard 3RL comp bursting with Lap 2-2.5RL comp of biscuit defender should work. Pay attention to rosanna’s nuke though

[violet prism]

should i not use tia first for the free burst? sorry if it is a dumb question

[solid flare]

i cant build a 2.5 without emilia, she will die on OP's burst 1.

[quick lake]

No, follow in that order. Tia is not bursting, mostly used as cp padding and burst gen

[violet prism]

gotcha

[quick lake]

Yeah, the its rosanna dmg that u need to worry. Otherwise the 2nd team works too

Can run the burst calc, but 2nd team seems slow, 4RL maybe

If u can B3 with opponent’s Noah, should be able to wn

[quick lake]

Hmm, Rapunzel might die

[solid flare]

this should work right? 2.5 VS 3RL

[quick lake]

U can use this team on opponent T2 tbh

[solid flare]

cindy burst 3 into their noah burst 2??

[quick lake]

Okay ignore me, my bad

[quick lake]

Should work, assuming Rapunzel doesnt die from Emlia’s auto

[solid flare]

i cant put my own emili or cindy into slot 1,2 or 5

[quick lake]

Noah Centi Cindy Emilia

[solid flare]

emilia will die to noir? and feed rosanna charge?

[bleak latch]

what cube should i go with maiden?

[quick lake]

Emilia can probably survive. I dont think theres any rosanna feed

Rosanna is when their own team mate dies

@umbral crown stop lurking

[solid flare]

?

[quick lake]

I would still out Emilia P5 imo

[solid flare]

and put punzle where? slot 3?

[quick lake]

Noah Centi Cindy Rapun Emilia

[solid flare]

rosy press enter, then edit it. i got like 5 mins

[umbral crown]

SP Defense
Noah/Moran/SBS/Biscuit/Noir
Emilia/Blanc/Red Hood/Centi/Tia
Privaty/Bunny Soda/Nero/Mary/Crown

kinda hard to make proper teams since i can not see the rest of the units but this might work for now

[solid flare]

lol rosy was not talking to me

[umbral crown]

when you ask for it and show your box

[quick lake]

Backlog of rosy pings

[solid flare]

gonna sack team 2 then

[thorn pagoda]

thank you
i'm too low IQ to actually figure out the maths

much appreciated. i'll OL Blanc's gear

[umbral crown]

if there is just 1 attacker, burst goes to that attacker and the unit in P1

[bleak latch]

@umbral crown what do you think

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

interesting comp i would say

[quick lake]

3RL still

[bleak latch]

even enemy using noah to absorb cindy burst i think she can still get them through normal atk with both noise / maiden buff

will try out soon

[gaunt cypress]

with that lvl 440+ that's CP kinda low, usually its around 850K++

[quick lake]

2RL or SAnis can counter imo

[solid flare]

im not pvp invested. their dolls are not all upped

[thorn pagoda]

not very impressive on the bottom half
ty for taking the time to look at my formation

[gaunt cypress]

your opps even lower

[quick lake]

Reset in 2mins. Time to hit my rank 1 and go to sleep

[bleak latch]

just hope my team can survived sanis remaining burst

[solid flare]

if it dosent work, it dosent work i just sit in R 4

its only 300 gems

my team 3 lost

[solid flare]

team 1 did its job.

[quick lake]

Hmm maybe the Jackal feed from Noir

[umbral crown]

work on S.Anis and Blanc,also Cindirella. she is a huge help in pvp

[bleak latch]

i think i'll stick with noah just in case

[gaunt cypress]

and why its went back to maiden ?

[bleak latch]

imagine enemy has no noah

[umbral crown]

because maiden most likely P1

[umbral crown]

you shoudl

[bleak latch]

this comp should be good enough to be 2nd team so ennemy has to choose to deploy noah

[tribal tartan]

I showed it tho 😔

[umbral crown]

again please

[umbral crown]

yeahm has a good future

[quick lake]

I easy cooked my rank 2

pvp cooking skillz leveling up

[tribal tartan]

One day

[umbral crown]

thats the way

[kindred tinsel]

guys im hungry help me beat this team pls

[tropic summit]

wonder if team 1 is bait 🤨

[unkempt kestrel]

Is twinkling soda and rumani similar usage in PVP?

[tropic summit]

rumani is better burst gen than twiking soda

soda is mid nuke, clip SG burst gen

[unkempt kestrel]

Ty. If I am understanding this correctly, If neither twinkling soda or rumani is using burst, rumani is better because of better burst gen?

[tropic summit]

yes if your purpose is just faster burst, then rumani is better than soda:tb

[tropic summit]

team 1
scarlet centi rapu anis/rumani/emi jackal (2RL) - scarlet needs to be linked and built, their team is 3.5RL, 4 feed on p1 (possible bait on sacc strat with rosanna tho)

team 3
noah biscuit noise s.anis crown (4RL) - absorb emi nuke, let s.anis kill highest atk%, outsustain

[kindred tinsel]

oh cool thanks

any sub for rapu

only got goddess one

im thinking rh can work

[tropic summit]

rapu is more of an assurance to survive if sacc happens... if you put RH you become 2.5RL although with feed you'd likely still be 2RL
if you put any RL you'll stay 2RL regardless of feed (bay, xmaiden, laplace/emi)

[kindred tinsel]

is this okay for laplace

[tropic summit]

looks treasured, that's probably good enough

btw i now see they've s.anis AND blanc in t2, that same team for 1 would work for t2, pick the one where you've better CP

[kindred tinsel]

[umbral crown]

focus on S2

thats where most the damage is

[kindred tinsel]

should i get it to 7?

[umbral crown]

yes if you can afford it

i would recommend maxing that one

[kindred tinsel]

still saving mats for limted but its 4/7/7 now

[umbral crown]

4/7/7 works fine

you good

[kindred tinsel]

[umbral crown]

[kindred tinsel]

ill start recording

[tropic summit]

throw something in t1 to see if they've sacc strat or not, out of curiosity

[vapid lake]

[kindred tinsel]

on it

[vapid lake]

Looks like things are calming down in my bracket

[tropic summit]

for now

[vapid lake]

Everyone satisfied with their +1 rank after the whale got kicked out

Or maybe i'm not just seeing the action

[kindred tinsel]

nooo recording messed up

it got stuck on screenshot

but heres what happened

[tropic summit]

hmm, did you see if noise died pre burst?

[kindred tinsel]

yeah they didnt burst in time

[tropic summit]

ok then your noise might be a tad squishy

running vigor on her?

[kindred tinsel]

yeah shes budget rn

oh no

[tropic summit]

oh rip... 🤔

[kindred tinsel]

should i

[tropic summit]

you want either vigor or temperance on her

temp is even better on noah, but with biscuit she'll be fine regardless

so you want noise to survive the 4RL against 3RL emilia

[kindred tinsel]

lol this is what i was using

[tropic summit]

well you know what to work on at least

her body and head is probably enough combined with a vigor/temp cube

just OL those 2 and give her the cube, you should survive

[kindred tinsel]

yup ima attack again

wait i dont got helm

can i do boots for hp line?

[tropic summit]

eh kind of wasted, save it up for when you get head

start with body, that already gives a decent chunk

[kindred tinsel]

okay invested ill ol tommorow

ill again now

[swift mango]

Do you have Blanc?

[kindred tinsel]

yeah

[tropic summit]

@limber patrol

can you form these 3 teams?

scarlet blanc rh centi jackal
rumani anis cinderella emilia noir
noah noise s.anis biscuit rapunzel

[swift mango]

Scarlet team is easier to beat there, why attack Emilia? You can just you Red hood instead of Noise also

If you want to attack Emilia

[limber patrol]

no haha

[tropic summit]

any of those 3 at all?

either way post your box

[limber patrol]

missing at least 5* core characters from there

[kindred tinsel]

saw that team had lower cp but i can try

[thorn pagoda]

@umbral crown is the defence formation the one that everybody sees when they attack you?
and the attack formation is the one that you see as the player?

[tropic summit]

yes, the 3 defense teams are seen by attackers, attack formation only you can see them (up to 5)

[thorn pagoda]

I'M AFUCin' idiot

i've had a sh­it defence team for months. i've just been using my attack team

[tropic summit]

i saw you posting something but it got removed afterward?

[thorn pagoda]

so that's why these noobs could take me down

[swift mango]

Noah+Biscuit+RH+Emilia+Cinderella

Check CP

[swift mango]

With the first team.

Scarlet team only has 250k and no protection

Not even natural 3rl just 4rl.

Just don't feed them and you would be fine beating them with anything

[tropic summit]

there's a rosanna and it's 3.5RL

[kindred tinsel]

oh i attacked before i saw this heres what happened

[swift mango]

Useless Rossana

[thorn pagoda]

i can't believe it ffffffffffffff
huge fail

now i know what this means when there is a difference

[tropic summit]

well, you've just solved a huge fundamental problem

[thorn pagoda]

i can probably maintain 2nd place now

[thorn pagoda]

thanks to you. how i could i be so dumb lmao

for monthsssss

fu­ck

[uneven girder]

bruh

[tropic summit]

happens i guess

[swift mango]

With a 3RL team Noah will catch Rossana and his Rossana likely didn't even invested just looking at 281+ and only 250k power.

[thorn pagoda]

i've been kicking #1 and 2#s a­sses but i've always wondered how they can beat me so effortlessly in the previous bracket

[limber patrol]

went to learn how to use paint.

[uneven girder]

Need to update my team since I haven't touched them for a long time

[tropic summit]

yeah you'll notice paint is particularly useful sometimes

[thorn pagoda]

i have the highest cp and i'm 4th due to being an idiot

[swift mango]

Basically, when you attack them again.

Use the same 2nd team that you won.

The Scarlet team, you attack with.

Noah+Biscuit+Red Hood+Emilia+Cindy

Or if you still want to attack their Emilia team, use RH instead of Noise.

[limber patrol]

and then what do I do? I need an arena team. and 3 spa teams

[swift mango]

CP isn't everything. Check their level too. If their nikke level is the same as you then your aren't really at an advantage.

[keen vapor]

Guys, I'm going to brick, I can't update

[vapid lake]

Its already 2nd day of update

[tropic summit]

here you go

[keen vapor]

[tropic summit]

double check your CP for all 3 teams just in case

[limber patrol]

By combat power order.
Alice 78k
Asuka 72k
Cinderella 65k
From Grave to Naga are between 60k-50k
From DKW to Rumani are between 40k to 30k
After Rumani, they got less than 30k combat power.

I can't use anyone after Rumani but if OP I can try building.

[tropic summit]

just complessive CP is fine

what are the 3 teams summed CP

[keen vapor]

I need water

[swift mango]

Why is this blocked?

[tropic summit]

best drink for the body, but not enough poison to kill poison

[limber patrol]

Casually lost 100k combat power. (my enemies have above 280k)

[tropic summit]

as for rookie:

replace anis with rumani or any other clip RL if you ever find any (noah for example)

[copper creek]

please OL pvp units when u have the chance - thats whrre the difference will be

[limber patrol]

does the position matter?

[keen vapor]

No idea

[limber patrol]

is Centi's burst better than Anis

[tropic summit]

just show all 3 teams CP

[keen vapor]

Either won't make a difference

[tropic summit]

make sure you read this, because based on your questions I fear you're quite clueless on what we're telling you

https://www.prydwen.gg/nikke/guides/pvp-mechanics/#:~:text=A PvP round consists of,time%2C the DEF team wins.

[swift mango]

Team 2 is sus, please remake

[tropic summit]

have you seen his box

[swift mango]

Why bring CINDY and not even burst with her? Lol...

You could use Rumani in this team instead

[tropic summit]

how did it go btw?

[limber patrol]

Anis debuffs a little more the defense, could make a difference if it works on pvp because the wording is different...

[tropic summit]

the SG team that is padding looks good, how's your CP for team 1 and team 2 against other teams in your bracket?

[limber patrol]

Instant loss on all of them

90% penalty

[vapid lake]

Bro follow the order of unit placement he showed u, it matters, dont switch them up for fun

[tropic summit]

did you stop playing or something?

like took a break or so

[limber patrol]

Never missed a day, I just didn't focus on pvp characters and pushed campaign

[tropic summit]

well seems quite unreal that you've 90% cp deficit especially on your t3 which is mostly padded

[limber patrol]

.

[limber patrol]

it's the same order...

[tropic summit]

assemble an auto team on t1 and put that against your pvp bracket

and tell us the numbers

[limber patrol]

well except for Scarlet

and idk why I would like to burst with Noir

my Liter is the one with most atk on Scarlet team so she's going on p1

[vapid lake]

I didnt look at the rest i only saw scarlet not in p1 because not putting scarlet p1 is a rookie mistake

[tropic summit]

you won't burst with noir, we're checking cp of your teams

if you've 90% cp deficit it's hopeless regardless

[vapid lake]

NGL just go back to his old teams

If he has completely 0 investment on pvp units this is not going to work

His opponents will just gap him and win with 0 thought

[tropic summit]

@limber patrol as penguin just said, if you can't form any meta team without a cp gap, this is pointless to begin with

[vapid lake]

CP gap is the best defense

[tropic summit]

give a read to this and then consider if you want to invest in pvp @limber patrol

[swift mango]

Always has been

[quartz prawn]

can I get some help with sp defense teams
after Modernia is basically no investment.

[swift mango]

He already used up his 2 tries

[keen vapor]

Anis will debuff only 2 Nikkes at most

And, like the only amount of defense that can ever be useful is in Moran kit (even then, no)

[limber patrol]

These are the teams I'm currently trying on
Can we fix these?

[tropic summit]

he lost with your suggestion too or was it something else?

[swift mango]

He lost with your suggestions and his own

[tropic summit]

solid 💯

[limber patrol]

I can't vs these whales

[tropic summit]

when you don't build your noise and give them charge damaged cube and they can't survive in p3 tho

[limber patrol]

if I try pvp characters, I automatically lose from combat power gap.
If I try my characters, I lose from not being to burst earlier.
I had to balance these to not fall down more

[keen vapor]

Invest

[swift mango]

Even my built noise with Sr doll and tempering cube died to taunting p1+2. So it's iffy to use her as lone b1.

[tropic summit]

you really need to learn the basics first, you're investing in the wrong teams and kept investing in the wrong teams

#pvp-arena message

once you've formed some knowledge, you can address your issues

[limber patrol]

if taunts why does position matter?

[vapid lake]

Bro lost the reshuffle lottery and is now feeling the despair of having no invested pvp units

[swift mango]

I mean Noise as lone b1 could make your team easily unable to burst. It's sad.

[tropic summit]

read the info in the link please

it explains all about positioning

[limber patrol]

my free 3k gems gone 😭

[vapid lake]

Nope

[swift mango]

Noah+Noise+Biscuit

With Noise ehaving higher CS than Noah doesn't have this problem though

[vapid lake]

U lost 300-600 not 3k

[limber patrol]

no way

[tropic summit]

ye that's why you really need the basics 1st

make sure to read also on burst generation, you'll notice why there's certain nikke to prioritize for PvP

[limber patrol]

wtf?

[swift mango]

600 < 3k though 🙃

[vapid lake]

There's no way he dropped from rank 1 all the way into bronze

At best drop 1 or 2 tiers

[limber patrol]

I'm on 7 and keep dropping

[tropic summit]

i think you can safely stay around diamond with minimun knowledge and just CP padding

[limber patrol]

ok why does this matter?

[vapid lake]

Maybe you're the one that got shuffled out of the bracket

Into a more active bracket

Are all the names different

[limber patrol]

yeah I don't see the other 2 whales I was fighting with before

those had worse teams

[limber patrol]

[vapid lake]

Oh man if u got shuffled into an active bracket then there's a good chance everyone below u also knows how to pvp at least to some level

[limber patrol]

so P1 I put the tank and P5 I put who?

[swift mango]

There are no inactive bracket as far as my personal experience could tell

[kindred tinsel]

oh it worked laplace helped alot with burst gen and also think she burst instead of sbs which was interesting. last team biscuit died early not sure why i might have to ol better

[swift mango]

🥲

[muted stag]

Is this a win?

Scar team will outburst and SAnis will kill sbs

[limber patrol]

this shit is so ass

[bleak latch]

[swift mango]

Hmmm... T1 could lose if biscuit died to normal attack before you burst or shortly after Noah ends.

T2 could lose if Rapunzel ded to normal attack from 2 SG.

[muted stag]

So t2 need defender p5?

[swift mango]

Swap Biscuit and S.Anis maybe

[limber patrol]

what are the T?

T1 T2 T3

[swift mango]

And T2 just swap Anis there

[muted stag]

T2 swop anis to centi and put centi on p5?

[swift mango]

Eh it's the same I guess

[muted stag]

So this is fine now?

[swift mango]

Are you sure about t2 being faster though?

[muted stag]

I think so

I mean swop emillia to anis?

[limber patrol]

anyone got a burst gen calculator

[swift mango]

How much CS your Emilia have s1+OL?

[muted stag]

4.92%

[swift mango]

Check Keripo comment in pin

[muted stag]

• 11.65%

[swift mango]

Do able I guess.

Could go for it.

[muted stag]

Would anis be safer tho

[swift mango]

And how their Rumani+Biscuit doesn't have high CS + quantum

[muted stag]

And burst with xanne

[swift mango]

Not really

Still 3rl with anis

Their team is also 3rl

You Emilia could push you to 2.6rl

[muted stag]

Can I outburst his other team the scar jackal?

Can I shift jackal from the t3 over?

Then use noise/rapu instead

[swift mango]

You will certainly burst faster if you put Jackal p5 instead of Centi in T2.

[muted stag]

But will SAnis win(

[swift mango]

Nah you would /jk

[muted stag]

Is tht fine?

Pretty sure round 2 is a win now

[swift mango]

Replace Noise with Centi maybe...

[muted stag]

Oh yeah rh b1

[swift mango]

Eh you already won lol

[muted stag]

I killed the sanis and drake before burst wtf

[swift mango]

Scarlet s2+ Jackal power

[muted stag]

My sanis died

Before sbs even die

@swift mango can help with this now t3 seems can just fast burst

Then I think t1/t2 can go the Noah biscuit team?

Both seems like able to Noah biscuit

But the cp deficit might be high tho

[tropic summit]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JUiiuHysG3vlWRPVx_wT6zUwkc5Ob9n8G0azCbuwlA8/edit?gid=0#gid=0

[tropic summit]

wow what are these teams

[muted stag]

Actually I think can go sbs blanc as well

[muted stag]

Idk just cp gap

[muted stag]

T3 for sure is a win with scar jackal

[tropic summit]

these are all very weak and poorly made

[muted stag]

I think t2 can sbs blanc right?

[muted stag]

I can’t sbs blanc RH as my RH has higher attack

[fervent kayak]

whats a good sp arena team of offence

[muted stag]

Damn no rumani no emillia not sure if ur Laplace is treasured also

[fervent kayak]

i ahve rumani

[muted stag]

Ur missing quite a bit of PvP units

[tropic summit]

t1 and t3 are both weak to scarlet + jackal

[muted stag]

Yeah problem is I only can have 1 scar jackal

[tropic summit]

t3 has barely any burst gen, you can nuke them with any 3RL

[muted stag]

I know that team is a guaranteed win

Oh wait just SAnis for t3 I’m high

[tropic summit]

t3 is literally an abomination

[muted stag]

Sanis can just kill scar and Cindy since she targets the highest attk

Plus I can use Noah for immune

[tropic summit]

yeah use your scarlet + jackal for t1 and t3 you can kill it with anything, noah + biscuit and any B3 that can wipe, s.anis can do

just pick your most invested b3

[muted stag]

Would sbs be btr here since higher cp

[tropic summit]

sbs instead of s.anis you mean?

[muted stag]

Yeah

[tropic summit]

ye works fine

[muted stag]

Well usually need like SAnis

[tropic summit]

what rank is that guy btw?

[muted stag]

Chal 5

[tropic summit]

holy f...

this is sad

[muted stag]

My chal 1-3 is all semi whales this time

I went up by 7 synchro ystd used away like 2k of my battle data boxes after pushing campaign

[muted stag]

Hopefully my defense team can hold

[tropic summit]

your def teams look good, the only thing i'd personally change is in t2, moving centi to p2 and rh to p3, but it's really minor preference

[muted stag]

Oh yeah rh burst 2 💀

[tropic summit]

ye you generally don't want b2 from RH

[muted stag]

But centi b2 also kinda shit

[tropic summit]

what's worse, you'd taunt in p2 which leads to RL hitting 3 nikkes instead of 2 = you give extra burst gen to enemy

centi B2 buffed by RH actually hits a bit, it does help in helping scarlet hitting the wipe

and definitly a better choice than RH B2

[muted stag]

IG so

I might wanna change scar to priv soon

My priv core 7 also 10/10/10 but problem is scar OL lines better and doll more invested

[tropic summit]

hmm i'm not sure on your reasoning to change scar tho, why's that? only CP/investiment reasons?

[muted stag]

Yeah cp

Since priv is core 7

[tropic summit]

well keep in mind a scarlet forces the enemy to deploy specific nikke to win on that lineup

unlike a privaty

[muted stag]

Won’t priv aoe be able to wipe still

[tropic summit]

against scarlet for example you're essentially banning the opponet from SGs, ARs and anything that isn't a sniper rifle or RL

[tropic summit]

priv aoe scales poorly against dolls

[muted stag]

I see

Would swopping bsoda to anis be btr if my Anis is OL?

[tropic summit]

best case scenario you might stun them but if they put a p1 with invulnerability/indom, you won't be able to kill them

[muted stag]

For the Cindy team on t1

[tropic summit]

hmm let's see your burst gen

[muted stag]

I see

[tropic summit]

from this:

to this:

not a huge difference

[muted stag]

So no diff huh

Damn I thought there will be

[tropic summit]

yep, same RL levels, albeit slightly faster but not enough to matter

[muted stag]

For PvP the OL lines is what

Just flat black lines for cp padding and charge speed for burst gen?

[tropic summit]

on anis or soda?

[muted stag]

Like any RL in general

Like emillia biscuit etc

My friend said emillia need 20% CS

[tropic summit]

batteries can use CS 16% iirc

[tropic summit]

yeah 21% in total

[muted stag]

Idk if that’s the OL lines 20% or S1 + OL line

[muted stag]

Oh 21% with the s1?

[tropic summit]

it's the total

in terms of OL lines you need less

emilia is easier to build on that front due to that

you can check how much you need from the level on her skill that shows increased charge speed

[muted stag]

My Emilia is only 19.43 rip

[tropic summit]

yeah gotta push one of those OL lines

it's not mandatory to use her, but it does add a few plays

[muted stag]

Ok got her to 22%

[tropic summit]

damn that was quick

[limber patrol]

how to use?

[tropic summit]

front page

[muted stag]

I sac away two 23% ele lines tho Sadge

But it wasn’t on line 3 anyways so Idrc

[limber patrol]

???

[tropic summit]

open front page and read, it explains how to use

[muted stag]

Can you check my round 2 emillia without 21% Cs and with? Like what’s the burst gen diff

For my round 2 defense team

Is there any other PvP unit that needs charge speed like emillia?

[limber patrol]

I have no idea what you are talking about... I only see 2 png

nvm I found it

[muted stag]

I just realize but how did u know my quantum cube was lvl 7 xd

[tropic summit]

here use it:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JUiiuHysG3vlWRPVx_wT6zUwkc5Ob9n8G0azCbuwlA8/edit?gid=0#gid=0

[tropic summit]

assumed from your sync level

[muted stag]

I’m on mobile atm

[limber patrol]

bro this tool doesn't help

[muted stag]

Only can try at home

[muted stag]

What is that team

[tropic summit]

it does, your current lineup doesn't burst for either 2RL or 3RL or 3.5RL or 4RL

that's what that information is telling you

[swift mango]

You could win the pic below maybe. But the pic above is 20% deficit, will be killed by normal attack.

[limber patrol]

insane

[tropic summit]

yeah that's a clean 2RL

[muted stag]

If emilllia is below 21% cs?

Btw my emillia no quantum

I slap on centi jackal rumani

[muted stag]

Actually I can slap on emillia also

[limber patrol]

this shit is so ass

[tropic summit]

yep you gonna need to fix your t1 and t2

[muted stag]

How is this higher than 21% wtf

[limber patrol]

what t1 and t2?

teams?

[tropic summit]

it's lower, 2RL is faster than 2.5RL

[muted stag]

But shouldn’t it be higher? Cause emillia (21% CS)

[tropic summit]

yes, that's why your 21% CS emilia is 2RL

[muted stag]

Wait so 2 RL is better than 4RL?

The lower the tier the better?

[limber patrol]

is this my goal?

[muted stag]

I assume 2.5 RL is higher

Xd

[tropic summit]

your average goal is hitting 3RL, anything lower than 3RL can be useful depending on who you facing

[muted stag]

Oh wait I understand now I think

[limber patrol]

the least better. 2.5 RL = Amount of times Rocket launchers have to attack to burst.

The least you need to attack to get burst, better

[muted stag]

I get it now

[limber patrol]

mfs got Noah

[muted stag]

Quantum slap on? Emilia centi jackal rumani?

[limber patrol]

and Cinderella or Scarlet, both one shot me and Noah I can't do anything agaisnt

[muted stag]

Since I don’t use anis

[tropic summit]

yes those are all batteries, quantum is best on them

[muted stag]

I used to use anis over bsoda

So I have to put quantum on anis

[limber patrol]

bruh like who can I use to fix this team?

[muted stag]

I need to see ur other teams

and what you have

[tropic summit]

just check it's actually worth it anyway, maybe you're still 3RL and bsoda can contribute more on DPS than an anis could

let alone the CP

[muted stag]

Also Tia isn’t good for pos 1 cause Tia will burst first delaying ur burst

Tia only good for P5 to taunt and tank dmg

[limber patrol]

#pvp-arena message

[muted stag]

Hm idk then

Why doro liter for attack

[limber patrol]

insane, I didn't know. I knew she was delaying it but I didn't know she wont burst if on P5

[limber patrol]

(first team is just combat power)

[muted stag]

They auto burst left to right

[limber patrol]

the useless team

[muted stag]

When you burst in campaign also

If ur burst auto

[limber patrol]

ignore team 1, it's just there for combat power

I'm currently trying more the DEF team

[muted stag]

U need more units build

[limber patrol]

for example?

[muted stag]

Do you have emillia(

[limber patrol]

I started playing on Clay's banner

[muted stag]

Idk some people use Rosanna and Moran also

U can consider those options

[swift mango]

Tell me to which unit you have OL gear on and I will help you make some teams.

[muted stag]

I don’t use them but I know they are good

[limber patrol]

I have Moran, but I don't think she has burst gen, I'm trying to fix Cinderella's team

[muted stag]

Eh u SS all ur NIKKES and let us know which are OL

Then easier to help and easier to tell you what to OL (if you wanna invest)

[limber patrol]

By combat power order.
Alice 78k
Asuka 72k
Cinderella 65k
From Grave to Naga are between 60k-50k
From DKW to Rumani are between 40k to 30k
After Rumani, they got less than 30k combat power.
I can't use anyone after Rumani but if OP I can try building.

[muted stag]

U need to doll up ur PvP units also

[limber patrol]

I got them with dolls except for Centi and Anis I just added them today and I ran out of dolls

[muted stag]

Slap them with R dolls not SR btw

[limber patrol]

all of them got dolls, if pvp SR lvl 5 dolls

[muted stag]

Only slap SR doll if u lvl 15 your R doll

[limber patrol]

except for Centi and Anis, no doll yet

[limber patrol]

if character got over 30k combat power, very likely has a doll

if got below 40k combat power to 30k, very likely 1 OL or no OL

DKW is above 40k with 3 OL and doll but not that good anyways

again trying to fix Cinderella's team. only

[glass pine]

hello, i need some suggestion for PVP team. here's is what my team now. any should i change

[umbral crown]

share all your nikkes in horizontal mode

[muted stag]

I would replace crown for sure and Tia maybe

Alright thanks a lot @swift mango @tropic summit imma head out.

[glass pine]

wait

[swift mango]

Alice+Blanc+Liter(with Vigor cube)+Tia+Jackal(with Vigor cube as well)

Noise+Rumani+Grave+Centi+Cindy

Auto team.

[tropic summit]

you're welcome

[limber patrol]

what burst gen rating do they get?

[swift mango]

4;RL for first team and could get to 3 RL with feed.

3rl for 2nd team

[glass pine]

here's my full roaster

[swift mango]

OL your Centi, Anis, Rumani, Jackal if you want to get high rank in Arena.

[limber patrol]

I'm getting these with my current teams...

[tropic summit]

2nd team is good, 1st team is free loss, but considering his box, that's as far as you can push it

[limber patrol]

I will, I need dolls for Centi and Anis first.

[tropic summit]

you need to build your pvp teams in general, centi is a good start

[swift mango]

Team 1 is fine if opponent doesn't know arena. Better than his own 4rl team

[tropic summit]

but don't invest in team 1, keep it as long as it last, it's very vulnerable

[tropic summit]

i guess, but the dude is planning to invest, tell him what he risks on investing on team 1 as is

[swift mango]

He need to invest to Clip reload then he will be able to make good team

That's all he needs.

3-4 RL team that work are enough.

His 4rl team doesn't even work

[limber patrol]

but you offer me another 4RL team

and make my 2.5RL team a 3RL

damn pvp is hard

I thought I was doing fine because I was able to push campaign a lot. And then they put me with people with pvp teams

[quartz prawn]

bump

[muted stag]

How is there grace and Alice there but 2.5RL burst

[tropic summit]

it's not hard per se, it needs a lot of investiment

[swift mango]

There is nothing to invest on in my suggestion that's not meta.

His Alice, Tia and Liter already invested for campaign.

If he invested in Blanc and Jackal then it great.

[limber patrol]

Grave*

[limber patrol]

I'm barely starting to invest on Jackal