pvp-arena

[solid flare]

my emilia is strictly a battery, i cant invest into her as dps as i only have the one copy

[tropic summit]

it's just that ppl generally don't recommend an emilia nuke on def cuz it can be timed to be avoided

[tropic summit]

oh ok makes sense

[solid flare]

getting her to to 21% already ate like 40 of my rocks

[bleak shale]

ngl i feel like most people fail at trying to time a noah on emilia nuke if they even know how to SBS is much easier to counter with biscuit+taunt or just sakura

that being said people failed to counter my sbs somehow for the longest time

[solid flare]

i just shove tia in and call it a day.

[tropic summit]

the sakura counters are especially brutal, down to 90% of her damage

[solid flare]

ok ima do a new image and see what you guys think

[bleak shale]

i mean biscuit taunt is 100% of the damage

cuz distributed memes but u have to spend biscuit

[solid flare]

this is some crazy CP deficit as my PVP cube is only lvl 8

blanc rapunzle, sumer anis biscuit's burst gen is WAY to slow

[bleak shale]

if ur sanis doesnt have resil dont u just lose a bunch of dmg

[solid flare]

also that.

[keen vapor]

But do you know how impactful are limit breaks?

[solid flare]

im talking about in the long run i cant scale her up.

summer anis at least has a chance at being pulled again the future.

[umbral crown]

does not matter if its just 1 copy, you must invest on her

slowly bricking yourself

[keen vapor]

Overload lines can improve her

[solid flare]

what do you guys think?

[keen vapor]

Looks good

[umbral crown]

quatum to rosanna and Resilence or temperance to Blanc, Biscuit and Rapunzel Vigor

[umbral crown]

[keen vapor]

Quantum to Rosanna

[umbral crown]

https://tenor.com/view/you-wo-joker-joaqu-gif-23924191

[pseudo isle]

Hi guys. Please help me to build def sp arena. This is my current build

1. Noah, jackal, sbs, rapunzel, centi
2. Blanc, rh, emilia, noir, bunny soda
3. Tia, noise, biscuit, s anis, anis.

I have almost everyone except scarlet and xmas anne. Also, i just got laplace treasure and rumani. I really need to revamp my team.

[copper creek]

post box if need help

[pseudo isle]

Sorry, but which box?

[keen vapor]

Noise/SBS/Rapunzel/Jackal/Noah

Blanc/Emilia/RH/Biscuit/Centi

Uuuhhh yes have you invested Moran?

[pseudo isle]

Sorry, but no, i didn't invest moran

[copper creek]

you can try this, it looks sound

[copper creek]

nikke tab

[solid flare]

they have rumani

and no X-annie

[copper creek]

rosanna invest insufficient
4/4-7/10 AND 30%+ (40%+ if trying to kill a SR15-equipped attacker)

tbh just do whatever as long as each team is 3rl or faster
you already went through all the standard defs

[keen vapor]

What about unlinking

[pseudo isle]

You mean screenshot my team?

[copper creek]

for def, you dont use rosanna for that purpose

im assuming thats def because i dont see any opponents' DEF

[keen vapor]

Yes, in horizontal

[solid flare]

rosana is not there to burst kill, its there to deny Jackal. and to force their jackal scarlet team into my noah blanc teams which should have advantaged matchups.

[copper creek]

.

[copper creek]

.

please send screenshots of your box.
home -> nikke tab -> sort by power / default sort only.
do NOT sort by any other criteria.

additionally, if you are on a mobile device,
please set your game to horizontal mode.

if you have already sent your box recently, please copy message link to your box.

the reason we ask for ss from nikke tab and not from arena screen is because your 15 selected units across 3 teams will mess with the order

and we can no longer estimate the investment into ur nikkes

[swift mango]

Ehm they could just build Sakura.

[pseudo isle]

Like this?

[copper creek]

that guy is the reason why we (EN PVP community at large) knows to do that

ok looks like no more specific/mechanic question

[keen vapor]

how does Moran and Bay work

[grizzled bone]

Echo hit challenger

[copper creek]

for moran, read kit its straightforward enough

for bay - once she bursts, essentially her cover eats (almost) all the damage that everyone else would until her cover is broken
cover health mechanic still applies - e.g. if her cover has 1hp and the team gets hit by one tick of attack doing 1bil dmg, the cover absorbs it all

[keen vapor]

I mean, do they interact?

[grizzled bone]

Bay is only usually good for 1 hit nukes though

[keen vapor]

Can a team of those two combined work better?

[copper creek]

moran and bay? u can try if u wish

i wouldn't bother personally

i mean i guess the design intent is bay to eat nukes, moran to taunt and then eat everything else

[keen vapor]

Try Moran/Bay/Summer Anis/Rumani/Anis for third team

[pseudo isle]

This means i have to become a test for 3rd team.

[copper creek]

not really

[pseudo isle]

Ok, i try to invest more on moran

[copper creek]

sp.a is a solved game mode anyway

[keen vapor]

[copper creek]

if ur opponent knows what they're doing, or asks - u r guaranteed to lose anyway

[keen vapor]

Or if opponent has 100 level advantage

[bleak shale]

theres alot they could do

they just didnt

[keen vapor]

Mainly skill 2 and burst, skill 1 isn't as important

[pseudo isle]

Ok noted

What cube should i put on moran?

Quantum or resilience?

[keen vapor]

Tempering cube

[copper creek]

vigor preferable...

[pseudo isle]

Noted

[keen vapor]

what

[pseudo isle]

I will try both temper and vigor. But 1st i need to OL and level up moran skills.

[copper creek]

read her s2

[keen vapor]

~~And doll her ~~

[solid flare]

ok what about this?

seeing as we dont like rosana on def

[tropic summit]

cindy on p1 is hurting me physically and mentally

[quasi prism]

@terse abyss I took a whack at ya

trying to stay away from the bottom for a bit

[tropic summit]

centi biscuit cindy emy rh to avoid giving the enemy 1RL or more for free

you generally want cindy in p4 or p5
p1 and p2 could give extra feed
p3 could give extra feed when against emilia

[solid flare]

sorry i dont follow

[tropic summit]

cindy decoy counts as an additional hit to RLs

they'd hit you as if hitting 3 nikke at same time instead of the usual 2

e.g. they'll burst way faster than they should

[tropic summit]

when making teams with cindy try to put her always p4 or p5, at worse p3

[tropic summit]

far better, but now your emi is open to being sniped in p5

to eletric specifically

[vapid lake]

Emilia new mechanic?! decoy

[tropic summit]

meant cindy, brain farted

you can guess from the context but ye, fixed

[solid flare]

im unsure if droping summer anis and blanc is a correct choice

[tropic summit]

@solid flare this would be optimal either way

[tropic summit]

for defense teams, emilia is generally less recommended than an indom

(unless using her for battery, in your case is fine)

then again a blanc on 4RL is just begging to be deleted

[desert knoll]

any kings can help my sp arena lineup

[kindred tinsel]

@tropic summit hey im attacking them again ill record this time

[tropic summit]

show us the teams again before starting

maybe we can already tweak something we missed last time

[swift mango]

Pretty lucky with core dust today

When will they give us 6* dispatch though...

Between reroll dispatch and 50 gem claim I'm having no gem earned from daily missions.

[tropic summit]

shouldn't you save gems more so you can find noah and jackal

[swift mango]

It's pointless anyway. Jackal will come during new year selector. Noah I will have to do without.

[kindred tinsel]

here teams
this is one worked

[swift mango]

I'm having problem beating 2 buff 2.5 RL Scarlet+Jackal.

2RL Cindy has a delayed burst so not enough to kill before Blanc.

2RL Scarlet my Scarlet just died before burst... Thanks to no Jackal and opponent Scarlet likely maxed out. Will try tempering cube and p4 next... Tomorrow.

Bay... Scarlet solo.

2.5RL p2 Scarlet + Blanc... Scarlet died before burst.

2.5 Blanc+Emilia? Nah Scarlet just shot faster than Emilia charge attack so I still lose.

2.7RL Scarlet+Blanc? Tried to be smart ass on them but Scarlet just died before Blanc burst.

Yeah.... If only I had Noah or Jackal it would be no problem. Or even xAnne/Rapunzel to res Scarlet..

Still having some hope with tempering Scarlet

Or Blanc on Moran at 2.5-2.7 RL and Cindy survived with Moran buff though... Still have to try those 2 teams tomorrow...

Also Scarlet p4 and hope Blanc hit her. Because p1+2 got biscuited.

[tropic summit]

yeah keep this one unchanged, the one that failed was the emi one, post it again and let's doublecheck

[kindred tinsel]

sure

[tropic summit]

post enemy team aswell

[tropic summit]

noah jackal emilia anis cindy, try swapping them around in this order

then record and let's see what is missing 🤔

[kindred tinsel]

ok im attacking now

omg

no wayy

ima send it hold on

insane

[tropic summit]

i better grab popcorn then

[kindred tinsel]

check this out

[tropic summit]

ah nice, didn't wipe but did go as expected afterward at least

good job

im thinking when you lost today there might've been too much splash dmg on p2

fixed that with jackal on p2 i guess 🤔

[kindred tinsel]

yeah i also decided pad them bit more by leveling equipment more

thanks for the cook bro

im gonna wait for someone to attack now but think im locked in dia 9 now

[tropic summit]

hmm you might be able to climb a bit further too, hopefully there's some more "holes" you can find weaker ppl in

but ye playing it safe is not a bad idea

[kindred tinsel]

hmm think i found a team

3 is guaranteed to me

2 looks more winnable than 1

could be wrong though

[swift mango]

Good luck man... Finding a team to beta them without CP gap.

I don't see any team you have could beat them though.

This dude has high CP and his team 1-2 are competent.

[kindred tinsel]

yeah almost everyone is 900k - 1m+ here

instead of thinking about overall cp gap focusing on counters seems better

but ill wait for now

[swift mango]

Team 2 is sure easier to beat.

Try

Noah+flex+RH+Biscuit+Centi/your highest CP defender

And hope for the best. Need 3RL though.

You want defender in p1-5 to tank their normal attack. Your team cap at 260k will be in above 15.4% deficit. But can win if your RH strong enough

[kindred tinsel]

would this work?

[swift mango]

Just no. Try bringing your highest CP to Noir spot.

How was your team get to 260k before? This won't even scratch them.

T3 will also likely to lose.

This better leave to Rail lol. He has more patient.

[kindred tinsel]

yeah looks like the best option

ill prob unbrick myself grinding story in the mean time

[swift mango]

T3, Swap Jackal to p1. Cindy to p3. Bay p2. Would have high chance to win.

T2 at least put Noir p3 and hope RH survive until burst.

Or maybe if Noir die before burst just keep her there.

But better just switch her with Anis or any B2 to p2. @kindred tinsel

[kindred tinsel]

ok got it ive also added quantam cube on bay not sure if itll boost their burst gen i have it on bay, centi, jackal and noir

[swift mango]

Just realized the 260k was you opponent team.

So

T2

Noah+your highest CP B2+RH+Biscuit+Centi

T3:

Jackal+Bay+Cindy+Emilia+S.Anis.

Bay get Vigor or Tempering.

Could put her in p3 as well.

If she is not geared and doll.

[kindred tinsel]

still missing vigor been grinding cubes on ch 25 now and still no sign of it

also here team now

[swift mango]

Your highest CP B2 that's not MG? You could try this but if Scarlet cut you before you burst then switch out Crown

[wicked horizon]

What weapons attack position 5 on defense?

[swift mango]

SG

Also SR after a pve fight.

[wicked horizon]

What?

[umbral crown]

Where?

[swift mango]

Who?

[swift mango]

Record the fight in case you lose so others could help.

[kindred tinsel]

ok ill try it meta b2s are low rn

heres what happened

[swift mango]

Okay. No chance then.

Gap too big RH can only scratch them.

[swift mango]

How much CP was your team 2 with XAnne?

[kindred tinsel]

214k

[swift mango]

How would it be with SBS B2?

[kindred tinsel]

245k

[swift mango]

No wonder, your RH only has 25% stat at 35% gap lol.

I should have check it sooner.

[kindred tinsel]

[proud relic]

can someone help me with sp/rookie arena teams, thx

[kindred tinsel]

you set me up for failure

[swift mango]

You will want around 260k at least to beat that team.

Better find someone else because you have no chance I guess.

[kindred tinsel]

hes my only ticket right now rest is 1mil

ill see what i can do itll help if solo raid was here

so i can pad cp further

[swift mango]

Just try again later with

Noah+Biscuit+SBS+RH+Centi

I guess. When you get higher CP.... Ofc record it too.

[kindred tinsel]

[swift mango]

Noise+Noah+SBS+Rouge+Maiden

Moran+Grave/Blanc+Centi+Anis+Cindy

Auto team.

[proud relic]

ty man

[swift mango]

You have centi so replace Centi with Viper.

[proud relic]

so this is atack/def for sp right? what about rookie?

[swift mango]

Auto team

[tropic summit]

Le "auto and hope it works"

[swift mango]

Edited

@proud relic

[swift mango]

Well, you will go far in rookie with your campaign team at 450k comparing to a proper arena team at 300k.

[tropic summit]

i've aggroed a chinese that doesn't literally detach from my balls in rookie

thing is i don't even know when it began

but it's been weeks now, dude is dedicated

[swift mango]

Better than me attacking a 2.5 RL 2 buff Jackal+Scarlet team and lose all 9 attempts.

Need to wait tomorrow for refresh and try other option.

Bricking Noah+Rapunzel+Jackal life is hard.

[tropic summit]

are they running blanc aswell in that comp?

[swift mango]

Yeah

[tropic summit]

oh so also indom scarlet

you tried i imagine the blanc + emi + rh already

then again 2.5RL sucks...

[swift mango]

I won 2RL Scarlet+Blanc with Cindy tanking Scarlet slash but ofc can't do that with 2 buff maxed out scarlet.

[tropic summit]

the odds indeed are not in your favour there

[swift mango]

I did 2.5 RL Emilia already you could see in my earlier comment.

Emilia ded because Scarlet attack faster than her shot at the end.

[tropic summit]

jesus christ 🙃

yeah that's rough

indom scarlet duel already tried aswell?

(with slower blanc)

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

My Scarlet ded to their s2 even at p4

So no indom

[tropic summit]

yeah the fire rate between an AR and a RL... that's real RNG needed there

[swift mango]

Well, I will put Scarlet with Tempering cube and try tomorrow.

[tropic summit]

that's some masterchef cooking you trying there

[swift mango]

Ideally I want 2.7 RL Blanc on Scarlet.... I could do that with my centi as she only has 15% charge speed and not 17%

So that could be 2.6RL team

Rather than 2.5rl with Emilia...

[tropic summit]

well damn if you get that work it's something else, really nitpicking on burst speed there

[swift mango]

You could see my Centi team being one frame slower than their team. Just RH got blocked.

[tropic summit]

2RL cindy doesn't make it in time everytime or just sometimes?

[swift mango]

Cindy has delayed hit so couldn't wipe them before Blanc.

[tropic summit]

aww

[swift mango]

Scarlet just died to normal attack so yeah...

[tropic summit]

any normal person would probably just give up for now and hit someone else

but not you i'm sure

revenge must be achieved

[tropic summit]

damn that sux, literally suicided on counters

then again not much you can do, that's just jackal doing her thing, taking essentially only 33% dmg compared to you

[swift mango]

Here is 2rl version

[tropic summit]

you know, you might not be that off mark with tempura cube

just like 0,5 seconds more and you'd wiped 🤔

less than that even

ded between B1 and B2

just a little more and you were there

[swift mango]

I tried brute force them lol

[tropic summit]

so close

[swift mango]

Yeah we are on a similar level and CP... If he was one tier lower in level or not invested in Scarlet I could have done this

Or if his team was 3rl instead...

[swift mango]

I will put her in P4 too so I likely be able to wipe. Just hope it's enough dmg. My tempering cube is lv5

[oblique pine]

How to beat Noah?

[summer copper]

Get a stick and hit her?

[oblique pine]

Don't have my own Noah by the way

[keen vapor]

With another Noah or Emilia

[oblique pine]

Haven't played long enough to have Emilia. I played during Ein banner

[keen vapor]

You can't

[tropic summit]

depends on the team you facing, but i do have a few examples

in general you can take the stall/sustain approach or the faster RL approach

[swift mango]

It's defending on the DPS they use if you don't have Emilia.

[oblique pine]

Can't stall when Cinderella Burst just wipe regardless of your hp

her burst just too strong

[tropic summit]

you don't have bay or noah yourself?

[oblique pine]

nope

[tropic summit]

oh that's why you struggling then

how about scarlet + jackal?

[raven plover]

at least send the enemy team

[oblique pine]

i just gotten Scarlett OG. but haven't build her up yet. she is just sitting there drunk

LOL

[swift mango]

Send pic of their team, screen shot it...

[oblique pine]

Hold on

[swift mango]

@tropic summit

[tropic summit]

you found a brother

[swift mango]

Well, I don't need Noah, maybe give me Jackal instead.

[oblique pine]

Top is enemy with Noah

[tropic summit]

the modernia tho

and cindy in p1

[oblique pine]

yeah useless but noah + Cinderella is good enough

[tropic summit]

there's hope

give us your box

so we see what nikke you got

[swift mango]

So do you have Rumani, Jackal?

[tropic summit]

@oblique pine if you had a built scarlet, you could go for the 2nd vid minus noah, replacing her with any other clip RL.

Alternatively pmaid or cindy

as long as you kill jackal they won't burst at all, and jackal being in p5 means p1 and p2 will get biscuit buff first, as long as you drop them to 50% hp

[swift mango]

Noise+Centi+Biscuit+Cindy+Jackal

It would be 2RL and wipe them.

Edit: to add Jackal since you showed, no point using Anis.

[oblique pine]

that's an idea. but to kill Jackal I have to kill 3 other Nikkes before burst

which will be hard because Jackal shares dmg with 2 others

[tropic summit]

is laplace treasured? can't see

[oblique pine]

also I have similar CP with opponent

no treasure

[tropic summit]

rip

[oblique pine]

I tried 2RL, not fast enough before Noah shield up

after i burst then they shield and then they burst and wipe me

[swift mango]

Noise+Centi+Jackal+Cindy+Ein.

Check CP.

[swift mango]

You don't put you Cindy in P1. That would make their team 2RL as well.

[oblique pine]

I see

[tropic summit]

that's probably what's screwing you

[swift mango]

Who advised you to put Cindy p1 in 2rl team? That guy should relearn arena from crash.

[tropic summit]

then yes noah would hit burst faster and absorb your damage

go with @swift mango recommendation, check CP and make sure the nikke order is as above, you'll be fine

[oblique pine]

ok i'll try. thanks guys

[raven plover]

[umbral crown]

[strong hull]

[grizzled bone]

[graceful grotto]

i would just noah emilia this lol

[raven plover]

ser he no noah

[graceful grotto]

ein continuously dmg does stay after noah's 3s invincible right?

[vapid lake]

Her drones keep attacking for the entire full burst duration but i've heard they can be taunted

[graceful grotto]

hmmm

was thinking blanc + one dps but if ein or sbs for continuous dmg might be tricky cause noah taunt + biscuit there

just in case if the 2cp don't work out

s.anis possible but kinda hard to put indo buff on her when you normally don't put her in risky position lol

[raven plover]

yes

[coarse lake]

the burst hits ("nuke") cannot be taunted

the post-nuke hits can be taunted

so you need noah biscuit or else noah dies and then ein just finishes the rest of your team

[graceful grotto]

yeah so that defense just had noah and biscuit hahaha

[hazy shore]

my one and only rival may have quit (hasn't been on for a week now)

[hazy shore]

These teams still really cooked but I might be cooked when brackets reset 😭

[glacial lion]

i think i lose round 3 yesterday cuz poli die during 0.5s delay before b2 active

[graceful grotto]

i like your team 2

too bad scarlet died otherwise it would've been glorious

[glacial lion]

Need xmas anne

[graceful grotto]

we are getting her soon!

though i'm abit curious as to who i need to swap out to bring her in

any suggestion? bunny soda is mainly there for CP + clip SG burst gen, otherwise i would've use noir instead

[copper creek]

u can try it, it looks sound

[uneven loom]

does anyone know what the ideal makima pvp team looks like?

[swift mango]

Maybe a team without makima.

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

Push campaign and invest dolls wisely

[swift mango]

It's only 0.32sec though.

But yeah, GG.

[grizzled bone]

A variation on the meme stall steam

[pseudo atlas]

why he tryin give me points

[covert lintel]

will maiden become core for pvp?

[tight oriole]

Its about sending a message.jpg

[graceful grotto]

maiden be emilia 2.0

[hardy wind]

i still dont have noah, my pvp is cooked this is pretty fire for teams

[rustic sandal]

can someone make a pvp team for me

[swift mango]

I bet is it's not and she would be for raid instead but just wait 2 days for skills

[swift mango]

Maxwell with treasure or not?

[rustic sandal]

maxwell got a treasure?

[swift mango]

Laplace, my bad

So yes or no?

[rustic sandal]

nope not at all still quite far but i will be there in like 2 months

[covert lintel]

so it would be like cindy?

[covert lintel]

i hope so

[swift mango]

Cindy is still meta in arena

No one could replace her as a HP nuke when you built teams.

[rustic sandal]

pvp team made?

blood i see u typing

[swift mango]

Scarlet+Blanc+Liter+Noir+Jackal (quantum on Jackal)

Maiden+B.Soda+Bay+RH+Drake (could replace Bay with Laplace if you want CP but use Bay if you're could)

Crown+Viper+Anis+Neon+Cindy

You could try to build Rossanna. If you want and add her into your team...

[grizzled bone]

Building off what Blood said,

Rosanna is very much optional in the current scene of PvP because she's pretty expensive. Could make life easier though in some cases

Hope everyone is doing well here

[swift mango]

Team 2 could go with

Maiden+B.Soda+RH+Laplace+Drake

If you don't want Bay and need higher CP... Could also use Naga instead of Laplace/Bay... Just more CP...

[rustic sandal]

like this

[swift mango]

RH to p3 if you use Laplace... But consider Bay if CP not changed much.

[swift mango]

Also, put Quantum on both Jackal and Noir please make it lv3 too... If possible

[rustic sandal]

whats quantum?

[swift mango]

Quantum cube

[rustic sandal]

just started recently is that from lost sector?

[swift mango]

Yes

[swift mango]

Maybe jackal feed would be enough to make it 3rl, hope.

It's natural 3.5rl speed.

I mean team 1

[rustic sandal]

what sector do i need to clear for lost quantum i just finished chapter 20

[swift mango]

You should be able to get quantum now.... Did you clear all available lost sector to your progress?

[swift mango]

Nvm you get quantum in lost sector 14

[rustic sandal]

maybe by new year i will be there

[swift mango]

Do your units have OL gear?

[swift mango]

Nvm just keep in mind that bay maybe useful to prevent wipe... Not super useful but still.

[vapid lake]

Xmaiden look like have an interesting kit for pvp, a defender RL with a nuke that target one enemy

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/946720097031045161/1313079876038819890/image.png?ex=674ed46e&is=674d82ee&hm=e0a6cdfe3e428031de9d937e49ed0e0105ae5eeb2f773de5d3bb1216a30c1a8f&

And buff elec allies

[swift mango]

Need to know her Burst phase and if Mag or Clip.

Stacking Buff rarely make it to Arena meta, unless it's as fast as Scarlet.

[raven plover]

we have 1 RL that only nuke 1 enemy...

power

[swift mango]

Look like a raid focus skit if anything.

[raven plover]

they dont rerun anne

[swift mango]

Even if they didn't, Anne should still be in ticket shop.

[raven plover]

[swift mango]

Just wait for more info

[raven plover]

patch note out I feel like I didnt see them say that

[swift mango]

Patch note only announced banner. Not announced Nikke that you could buy with tickets.

[raven plover]

[graceful grotto]

Here's hoping she's B2 lol

[vapid lake]

No champion arena in patch notes again

October 2025

[swift mango]

They are saving it for when their interns need to buy a Ferrari...

And when their regular workers each need a new mansion

[fiery parcel]

Can help recommend 3 pvp teams? No blanc, emilia or noise. Super invested in the first 10 nikkes. Others have 4 or less skill/burst levels

[tropic summit]

does SU have blatant preference for eletric code or what?

[vapid lake]

If her buffs are good she just slots into any of the elec screenwipe dps teams

Easily

And doesn't feed jackal

[graceful grotto]

Another biscuit best friend lmao

[vapid lake]

Biscuit best friend would be able to taunt like noah so she's one of her second best friend

[loud sonnet]

Tandem with moran biscuit s.anis?

[vapid lake]

Depend what her buffs do

Wait for full kit

And also if she's clip RL or not

[swift mango]

If she is B1 + a decent buff she would be meta.

We lack B1 buffer. The only decent one are Red Hood who has low Burst gen. XMica who feeds and useless in everything else except buff in Arena. Noise for Cindy and her weaker counter part.

If she is B2 then high chance she won't make a difference even with a decent buff unless Clip RL.

If she is B3 the could be off burst buffer if her skills word it right. Otherwise meh.

Ofc if clip RL then she will always be useful

[raven plover]

if shes b1, shes rosanna 2.0?

[quick lake]

Hopefully a better xmica

[loud sonnet]

[tropic summit]

there seems to be a pattern

1 more to get em to lose 300 gems in total for the season at least

[loud sonnet]

He already spent 900 gems in total since he always go for C2

[tropic summit]

ah interesting, the dude clearly doesn't even need the gems anymore

[loud sonnet]

Then some ppl 7 above snipe him

[echo stirrup]

Goodish enough teams for now? No jackal unfortunately 💔

[hazy kelp]

Put grave Cindy and red hood together ig

[late marten]

Is there any way to drop myself from SP Arena? I'm pretty much given up there for dropping to D10 from D8 quickly, and I'm unable to attack even weaker teams who can easily beat me. I'd rather have no gems than getting suffer too much in SP.

[desert sphinx]

just take out your nikke from your defense team and leave 1 in each, you'll get down real fast

[tropic summit]

you don't "suffer", just take it casually and play it once a day, see if there's anyone with messed up teams or within reach, try it then just go back to your usual day.

Alternatively, if it's something of a mental burden, simply don't open any arena menu and leave it there ignored

but no you cannot "remove" yourself from your bracket, although by not actively partecipating you'll be marked as inactive and can be re-seeded later on, although still based on creation account dates

[late marten]

Thing is, I have a suffice team to take on Rookie and SP but I won't use them on defending SP for obvious reason.

[tropic summit]

i suggest you focus on 2 teams with 3RL or 4RL, third team just pad it with whatever is left on high CP

work with the following:

drake, anis, marciana, ein, red hood, grave, noise, cinderella, viper, soda, pepper, tia, biscuit, rosanna, alice, naga

in particular, your batteries:
anis, drake, viper, soda:TB, pepper

weaker batteries:
noise, tia, biscuit, naga, marciana

your main source of damage
cinderella (B3), soda:TB (B3), ein (B3), alice (B3), RH (can be both B1 buffer and B3)

[tropic summit]

defense should just grant you being able to retain at least partially your rank, without stressing yourself too much, consider it a % rather than a guarantee, as no existing defense team is without a counter

it mostly comes down to the knowledge of your attacker

[late marten]

And besides, defending is pretty much the same as when attacking them.

[tropic summit]

attack has a huge advantage over defense, you get to pick what to attack and with what, defense the opponent will have advantage

[nocturne arrow]

Thanks

[late marten]

If only our server was like that or at least like in the very first season without much whale opponents.

[tropic summit]

there's nothing wrong with stopping in diamond tho, if that's as far as you can get, then that's good enough 🤔

keep in mind there's people who actively just don't play PvP due to personal preference and you can make the choice anytime, no pressure

[graceful grotto]

Glad it works out

[late marten]

I'm just still contended with D10, just that I refuse to send back to Platinum again.

[nocturne arrow]

I just realized i replay to the wrong formation lol

[tropic summit]

then set as your own objective to retain any diamond rank, sounds good

[nocturne arrow]

That indom is the only reason i win.

[desert sphinx]

need some advice to improve defense, and maybe a suggestion for attacks team too if you have

[late marten]

That's what I'm doing even if whales intent to brought me down despite there were weaker player than me who were placed at higher position.

I though there were the same 'cause that's what I'm noticing on Rookie Arena.

[tropic summit]

i suggest you take a look at the basics of PvP first, a few spoilers ahead:

-biscuit to be properly used needs to be alive and have a defender in p1 (p1 will be the position most targeted and likely your core "tank" nikke, then ofc taunts can add variables)

-check your teams RL with a burst generator like
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JUiiuHysG3vlWRPVx_wT6zUwkc5Ob9n8G0azCbuwlA8/edit?gid=0#gid=0

it drastically helps you getting an understanding of your team burst gen, very important in matches

-learn what positioning and burst order is, then consider if your exposed B1 (for example) is gonna die before even entering burst, ruining your whole chain and likely losing your match

in your teams there are already a few core issues, RH in p1 is a very bad choice, biscuit team has a way too slow RL, t3 has an exposed B1 and way too weak burst gen

no worries, always feel free to ask here for any tips once you get a better understanding

[graceful grotto]

blanc power

[tropic summit]

i think that's beyond whales, anyone would target a team they're confident in beating, unfortunately it's just easier for any average joe with little experience and likely in a hurry to just get their dailies done on pvp

you'll find it harder to see "honorable" opponents who rather take a challange than a shortcut

you want someone who can survive the time to reach 3RL on p1, or someone who will be invulnerable to give you the time to reach burst (e.g. the biscuit mechanic with defenders)

yeah that's still Indeterminate just sit tight on copium

keep your focus on PVE as campaign progress is way more important than pvp, then build pvp around that

an option is to invest in units good for both modes

e.g. most of the ones i told you to work on

work with the following:

drake, anis, marciana, ein, red hood, grave, noise, cinderella, viper, soda, pepper, tia, biscuit, rosanna, alice, naga

that's a chokepoint that will last for a while

unless you find modernia/crown/dorothy, your best bet is to have RH and alice strong enough to kill the core, that way minions won't be 1HP per hit limited anymore

in terms of priority, either way, definitly RH and naga on top place, followed by grave alice and cindy, unless again you find SBS or scarlet or crown

make sure you wishlist liter if you didn't yet

good, she's also on your priority list then

no worries

for mother whale, perhaps you could try liter grave rh naga alice, with focus on getting 2 bursts out to kill the core early on, ideally before whale is done throwing rockets at you

after that it's a matter of DPS and allowing naga time to heal you (cover as needed)

[late marten]

Yeah. Sometimes there's an odd case where participant rarely showed up on the list even with too many refreshes despite you've never battled it once or its pvp points is within your range

[late marten]

Yup, I'm seeing few case in Rookie where player with obviously higher CP team than mine haven't battled me for once and I'm constantly placed between 20 and 30th.

[umbral crown]

[late marten]

It's also the same in my case when I used to challenge some of my early opponent before I eventually stopped it to challenge the others instead.

[keen vapor]

Ahuhe Emi

[analog egret]

someone please cook me up teams for sp arena
currently using
Poli/ Rapunzel/ SBS/ Biscuit/ Cindy
Blanc/ RH/ Alice/ Noir/ Centi
Noise/ Xanne/ S Anis/ Maiden/ Jackal
but keep losing on defense

[strong hull]

Get back to work @keen vapor

[keen vapor]

~~thanks for pinging ~~

[strong hull]

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

you are also MA

[strong hull]

My kitchen is #team-building

[keen vapor]

There's a teacher for every subject

[strong hull]

Only johny sin can do that

[keen vapor]

300 synch with 2B well, is not 290 at least

[keen vapor]

MAKIMA

[strong hull]

Sg team counter

[keen vapor]

@analog egret what synch level have top 45 to 50?

[analog egret]

around 350-370 and a 440 one

[keen vapor]

350 to 370 doable

Maybe

[keen vapor]

Ugh, no Scarlet no Emilia

[analog egret]

no noah too

[keen vapor]

Noahless it's so over

[analog egret]

I’m fine with 60-90 too
it’s just whenever I go up someone just dragged me down to 100 or something

[keen vapor]

Better if top 59

Let's cook

[strong hull]

[keen vapor]

Can you get treasure for Laplace?

[analog egret]

what does that mean? like invest in her?

[keen vapor]

Well, does she have at least 2 limit breaks?

[analog egret]

Ohh she’s core 1 atm

[keen vapor]

Some hope

[keen vapor]

I need you to get her a maxed SR doll

Is more economic to start with R doll first and using blue kits

[analog egret]

[keen vapor]

There's no Bay either well, we can do Moran biscuit summer anis at least

SR doll will indeed require us purple/gold mats

[analog egret]

I got mats cuz I only level up to 5 max on my dps like RH Alice SBS Cindy

[keen vapor]

Nice

This was such a riddle, Anne and Blanc are interchangable

I suggest equipping tempering cube on both of them as well as Moran

Also, be sure to buy event stamina to farm 1-11 for event's hard mode so you get more core dust

And push campaign

[analog egret]

Thank you
Skills lvl for Moran and Laplace?

[keen vapor]

Moran can stay at 4s with Biscuit there

Laplace.....

[analog egret]

[keen vapor]

Laplace something like 4/7/10, burst at 7 to start ig

[strong hull]

I need that web or link

Working with team building too? Or only pvp

[keen vapor]

This is the Kosmiu's calculator

[strong hull]

[keen vapor]

Well, the positions are there, for PVE we just ignore burst speed/quantum cube option

Is faster to type Crown/Liter/RH/Modernia/Naga tho

[strong hull]

Sometimes i need to overcook a bit

Still need a web for OL stat also Comp tho

[keen vapor]

Let me check my stash

[strong hull]

I asked Chef Dair and he just

[keen vapor]

[strong hull]

[keen vapor]

[strong hull]

Brilliant.

[keen vapor]

I wonder how long it will take to Shift Up for Nikkelab

Maybe March

[strong hull]

when Champion Arena

[keen vapor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1177116972593463316/1313166969104764959/Noah_Beryl_Cry_B.png?ex=674f258a&is=674dd40a&hm=842f6b41d08e8335c34ebf46ceb795d2a0760147d7e0592699beba7bfbd59d7b&

@tribal tartan Crash Nebula drop your box

[tribal tartan]

Why am I crash now

[sand scaffold]

my back hurts, which nikke should I ask to heal me up?
don't say mary

[strong hull]

Pepi

[keen vapor]

Rapunzel

[daring scroll]

My legs are absolutely destroyed can you ask liter to build me a wheelchair

[keen vapor]

Noise
Quiry

[keen vapor]

Centi will do

[keen vapor]

Nothing in particular

[strong hull]

The SU incident

[daring scroll]

I see, should I build Rumani

[tribal tartan]

My new account doesn’t have enough nikke on it yet

[keen vapor]

You never watched the Fairy Odd parents?

[keen vapor]

Probably she has potential to tank some hits

[keen vapor]

Mica/Neon copium it is

[tribal tartan]

Here let me send you the brick

It has nothing in it

[daring scroll]

I’m already sp #1 without her in whale territories tho

[strong hull]

Flora pvp

[daring scroll]

I do it

[strong hull]

[keen vapor]

Then you can wait for Champion arena release

[strong hull]

Super brickge

[tribal tartan]

Totally has something makeable in here, no lie

Definitely not a, just run highest cp comp

[strong hull]

Definition of nothing useful

[tribal tartan]

I told you

[strong hull]

I aint gonna cook this.

[desert sphinx]

need some help to improve in sp arena please

[strong hull]

@keen vapor get back to work.

[tribal tartan]

Even the cleverest housewife can’t cook without rice

[kindred tinsel]

wheres the food

[keen vapor]

Neon/Rouge/Alice/anis/Mica

[keen vapor]

Food?

[restive heart]

had this weird ahh team and works good somehow

[keen vapor]

[restive heart]

its good enough to fend off KAMUI

[keen vapor]

Oh, Kamui

[lunar spear]

All full Overload?

[keen vapor]

Yes

[restive heart]

also he cant attack me cuz of the cp gap.
and also my bracket stopped attacking me

[keen vapor]

[restive heart]

im coping to get emilia21

[keen vapor]

Surely next rock

[restive heart]

[swift mango]

Phantom+Alice+Anis+Rossanna+Neon

[tropic summit]

auto and just progress in campaign would probably be the best answer

[keen vapor]

Please overload

[swift mango]

Would be 3RL if someone ded.

I could put in Produce 23 or a mag RL for 3RL but That's good enough for early game. 4RL that is.

[tropic summit]

aye the sacc will be unknown mechanic at that point aswell, unless facing smurfs

would probably surprise most attempts

[swift mango]

@tribal tartan

[tribal tartan]

Lfg!

[tropic summit]

le wild product 23

[tribal tartan]

Yeah… I’m not going to ask

[tropic summit]

"oh what a silly team, i can beat this"
"tf how did it lose"

[tribal tartan]

Defense is backwards right?

[keen vapor]

Defense is as displayed on preview

[cursive pike]

anyone have any suggestions for the best defence at moment? i have all characters (minus w-rupee,CSM) and am willing to build
characters

[keen vapor]

Here@cursive pike

[tribal tartan]

So I don’t need to flip it and it would automatically flip itself?

[cursive pike]

ooh thank you

[keen vapor]

Yes, you don't have to worry about those things

[tribal tartan]

So that’s why my def been losing sometimes

[keen vapor]

[tribal tartan]

It’s okay my main arena is bricked anyways

There’s nothing I can do

[desert sphinx]

thank you very much 1 guy was getting annoying

same teams for atk ?

[keen vapor]

It depends on the target

[desert sphinx]

everyone in the bracket pretty much goes noah biscuit, jackal team then big guns for the last

[swift mango]

You could use Phantom instead of Alice.

Oh and upgrade Rossana skill to 3/3/3 or 4/4/4.

[tribal tartan]

My books

[silk current]

Sorry but does SP arena point do anything beside tracking who's the top for the gem reward? Ty

[swift mango]

I guess 1-3-1 is enough for now

[desert sphinx]

nope, just for ranking

[tribal tartan]

It’s okay, I don’t have anything good for story anyways yet

[silk current]

Aye, thanks, i just need the voucher resources then, i am so cooked with the arena as of date now then lol

[swift mango]

S1 is 1 or 4. My bad, anything in-between isn't worth.

S2 ideally want 4 to help with get 3rl burst speed. But 3 should be fine I guess. Later on if you still use her you want S2 to level 7 to help getting 2rl burst speed lol.

S3 upgrade is just for better nuke dmg.

Phantom offer wipe and more burst Regen.

Alice is pretty tanky in early day with her heal on dmg and one shooting every one. Equip bastion on her in arena.

[cursive pike]

wow that team is great. i used it for attack and beat the server number 1 who is 60 levels higher than me O.o

quency is amazing!!

[swift mango]

That's one full team right here....

Elegg buff them both. And both are good in campaign.

Now just need liter.

[silk current]

I'm just glad that i got something, they're great in my eyes, thanks man

[keen vapor]

Even 1 different unit makes the difference you don't attack Noah biscuit summer Anis the same way you attack Noah biscuit Scarlet black shadow

[silk current]

Ye i have liter, will ask u later for a team i think, have resources to build too

[cursive pike]

whilst this is only rookie arena - any teams to beat the following? i will be at a massive deficit though

[swift mango]

Well use them in campaign is just copium though. Since we have better meta option.

Like Grave.

[silk current]

I also have grave, from what i've seen with meta, not counting pvp cuz i don't who is good, i think crown and Black Scarlet is best one that i don't have, i think i have all the top tier not counting the collab ones tho

[swift mango]

Yeah your campaign team should be fine. Those 3 can help in raid or water weak bosses.

Quency is the strongest amongst them to use. In all contents.

[silk current]

Oh? This version of quency is good, nice

How good is crown and scar black btw, the ratings for them is very high

Sad that i already quit by that time

[swift mango]

Best for campaign.

Crown is best b2.

SBS is amongst the best b3s.

Crown+Liter+Naga+SBS+Flex will get you far.

[silk current]

cope, i must pray to god of luck then, i am missing out big time then

Rn i'm using Tia-Liter-Naga-RH-Mod, for campaign

[swift mango]

Good enough.

No need to change anything. Maybe raise Quency later on after your are done with them.

[silk current]

Ty Blood

[umbral crown]

is there?

[umbral crown]

[strong hull]

[umbral crown]

does nt matter, just give the teams

[umbral crown]

learn to cook pvp, go go we need MAs coooking

[umbral crown]

[strong hull]

Cant leave my kitchen when SR come

[umbral crown]

https://tenor.com/view/working-wagnaria-bonk-anime-gif-25709311

[umbral crown]

[strong hull]

Ima just lurking here from dark side.

[umbral crown]

not allowed

[strong hull]

[umbral crown]

[strong hull]

You have blood here he'll be MA soon

[umbral crown]

[strong hull]

[umbral crown]

blood best MA

[swift mango]

Thanks. Now you make me blush.

Not ready for that full time role

[keen vapor]

I do use different attacks

[keen vapor]

Full time?

[strong hull]

Full time yap

[keen vapor]

Well, ig I'm Challenger for something

[umbral crown]

just go and enjoy the moment

[strong hull]

The professional yapper

Like shido.

[umbral crown]

kinda sus

[desert sphinx]

no rumani

[strong hull]

[keen vapor]

You do :pepeh: just out of synch

[desert sphinx]

[keen vapor]

I guess I confused her with Bay

[strong hull]

No xlud?

[desert sphinx]

no sporty girl for me

[strong hull]

[desert sphinx]

I'll pull xlud in a week

[strong hull]

Also no rouge

[desert sphinx]

he didn't recommend her, I'm good

been waiting for her for a while now tho

[keen vapor]

Let's see

[strong hull]

Let see.

[swift mango]

Be sure you have enough for Maiden and guillotine first.

[strong hull]

This upcoming SR should better has a Core. Behemoth SR such a clown.

[keen vapor]

My next best option is Ein Noir instead of Alice Rumani

[desert sphinx]

already confirmed gud ?

[strong hull]

Elysion last hope gone nowhere

[swift mango]

New limited always power creep. And guillotine is water.

[tribal tartan]

Thien did you see the fire?

[strong hull]

3 electric code in a round

[strong hull]

Nope. Kitchen closed

Me bedge

Feel free burning it

[umbral crown]

we do not have her

[tribal tartan]

We?

[umbral crown]

yes, we

[swift mango]

We the many

[strong hull]

Calm down RHless

[umbral crown]

but but.. where my X.Anne

[umbral crown]

si

[strong hull]

Gone nowhere

[tribal tartan]

Idk who we is

[umbral crown]

[strong hull]

Not even a rerun banner

[umbral crown]

my hopes skipping grave to get X.anne are gone

[swift mango]

I will get with tickets if I must.

[umbral crown]

[strong hull]

5050 they will included in xlud or mica banner

[umbral crown]

i just need her in golden shop

the magic will talk

[strong hull]

Maybe.

[umbral crown]

we can always dream

[strong hull]

SU dont let us join bathing with xlud theres no dream here.

All gone

[umbral crown]

i will skip xlud

[strong hull]

Her pantsu is blacku btw

[umbral crown]

anni took all my gems along with eva collab

[tribal tartan]

I will pull xlud

[strong hull]

Gn.

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

I'm kinda in dangerous zone after spending 800 tickets for Collab and anni2 for MLB. Maybe only enough to ticket xAnne and Rapi Alt.

[tribal tartan]

You can’t sleep, cook more

[strong hull]

Say nomore

Gn.

[tribal tartan]

o/ nomore

[umbral crown]

nG

[keen vapor]

I won't

[umbral crown]

you should

[keen vapor]

Huh why

I did once already

I miss Mica

I dated her last year

[umbral crown]

because pvp is priority

[umbral crown]

but she said nope

[keen vapor]

But Tetra tower and those glasses

[keen vapor]

How do you know

[umbral crown]

viper+

[umbral crown]

i am talking with her

[keen vapor]

you what

[umbral crown]

me,, i mean we talking right now

[keen vapor]

KISAAAMAAAAAAAA

WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO HER

[umbral crown]

a good thing

[keen vapor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/946720097031045161/1297132224541364246/kisama.mp4?ex=674ed205&is=674d8085&hm=3273bd5440f86839f700e9d52f0c259ac23d390b5b3a31fca3f574cb8b53d35d&

[lunar dirge]

elysion and hope in one sentence?blasphemy

[lunar dirge]

if you'll skip her,i'll touch you in places you think are impossible to reach

[keen vapor]

[pale knoll]

[keen vapor]

[pale knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-gif-18261463

[lunar dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/puss-in-boots-wolf-puss-in-boots-the-last-wish-wolf-puss-in-boots-the-last-wish-pick-it-up-sword-fight-gif-27423366

[keen vapor]

Totally legal conversation I swear

[lunar dirge]

JUST A PROMISE

[kindred tinsel]

reset time

i got attacked not as not much yesterday but had to reclaim some points

my current goal is getting in dia 9 before reset

guys for cp should i ol emilia?

[tropic summit]

get her CS lines if you really want to, although you'll be using her mostly in PVP, so lesser priority than a campaign/pve team

[keen vapor]

I mean, we did

But we aren't as bricked so I don't recommend it for you :deadge:

[solid flare]

man, this is depressing, as soon as i sat down and updated my teams, i get broken by like 4 different people.

[tropic summit]

we?

[keen vapor]

Rosy and me

[keen vapor]

The curse of diamond rank :deadge:

[solid flare]

the old teams with the stupid 4RL speed SBS actually held or something

[keen vapor]

@tropic summit you're responsible for this :pepeh: you forgot to tell him to overload

[solid flare]

all my pvps are OL 1 at least

and dolled up to purple 5

[keen vapor]

Overload is not about level, but about the lines, the more and higher phases the better

[solid flare]

you think im getting broken due to lack of CP padding?

im pretty sure i cant pad untill im over 30%

[keen vapor]

30% of what?

[solid flare]

of their attack combat power. or whatever their threshold is.

[keen vapor]

Is 15.4% under the opponent, that's when funny things happens

[tropic summit]

wait he didn't?

[kindred tinsel]

[solid flare]

you guys want to cook?

[keen vapor]

I warned you from the beginning

[tropic summit]

don't stop believing

i mean what's a few gems less... a lot of gems less... well maybe a bit of gems less

[keen vapor]

I'm thinking is more about combat power right now

[tropic summit]

the picks are good, the CP could likely be your issue, or you facing some 4D chess master who actually knows what's he doing

although if 4 ppl are hitting on you, it's a sign for CP probably

[keen vapor]

4 4Dchess masters

[tropic summit]

you didn't know it yet, but you're also a 4D chess master

[grizzled bone]

the real move is to bait attack to drop rank and then hit them so they take lower rank and then put your real defense in again

[vapid lake]

4 ppl hitting on him?

[grizzled bone]

[vapid lake]

mr. popular

[keen vapor]

[solid flare]

what's the policy on posting account names here?

can i like post my battle records page showing other dude's names?

[tropic summit]

oh boy i meant striking him, i just realized what that sentence means as is

[tropic summit]

as far as i know, there's no privacy reason not to

those are just alias afterall and it's not like we can do anything with that information anyway

[keen vapor]

I've never cared

[tropic summit]

wait a min that's a lot of successful defense tho 🤨 🤨 🤨

[solid flare]

i was holding with this

[keen vapor]

I wish I could train Quby

[solid flare]

the moment i switch out of this team.

[keen vapor]

Yeah, why ask for new defense

[swift mango]

My first attempt was corrected after all... Maybe they just destroyed my team with Crit yesterday. Cindy 2RL was fast enough...

Haiz

[tropic summit]

is it consistent?

[autumn solar]

Anyone?

[swift mango]

Twice already. I just add Vigor to centi.

Here is 2 RL Scarlet with Tempering

P4 as well

[tropic summit]

rip the tempura attempt

[swift mango]

My Scarlet can't take a breath lol

[tropic summit]

try rollback your team then, see if they resume failing

[solid flare]

i cant test anymore.

[tropic summit]

why? 🤔

[runic coral]

hello could I get some def teams for rookie/sp, I have all of pvp relevant units except for rezero/nier collab
my most invested units are:
sbs 10/7/10
alice 10/4/10
rh 10/10/10
sanis 7/7/4 [ working on it :( ]
cindy 9/5/7
scarlet 7/4/7

[solid flare]

its the final day, im just going to eat the 24 hour penalty and hit them right before season end.

[keen vapor]

I'll check in the next hour

[tropic summit]

oh makes sense

[keen vapor]

You have Noah

[tropic summit]

if you're already ahead of points you can take the risk, although it's up to you ofc

[runic coral]

yes, all of relevant pvp units

[kindred tinsel]

yoo guys can i cook here

[solid flare]

i have more than enough advantage banked over the last 10 days to tank this 24 hours. and next season its reshuffleing.

worst case i end up in 3rd.

[tropic summit]

ah you're in full safe zone

[autumn solar]

My current teams are,
Noise/Guilty/Jackal/Kilo/Noir
Blanc/Emilia/Red Hood/Biscuit/Centi
Naga/Mary/Scarlet: Black Shadow/Anis/Soda: Twinkling Bunny

[keen vapor]

Not guilty

[kindred tinsel]

lets go

very close on t1 but we pulled through

[tropic summit]

the unbricking begins

[swift mango]

Putting Cindy to p3 so Anis would be safe... I blame RNG for not giving me SR RL doll for my 3 clip RL lol...

[tropic summit]

eh looks solid now

are you gonna bully the poor lad every day now or you planinng to attack someone else?

[swift mango]

Someone else. The rank 1 guy who attacked me 14 times a day in the first 2 days bullied him enough as is. After my failed attempt brought him to r1 lol..

[tropic summit]

14 times a day?!

[swift mango]

That guy.

[tropic summit]

well time to bring the axe on him 🤔

[swift mango]

900 gems spent a day because I keep changing my defense and was new to him so he needed 5+ attempts to beat each of those lol

[tropic summit]

what a waste

[solid flare]

im just here for the gems, i worked so hard to get ahead of my server, they they reshuffeled tryhards and whales into me

[grizzled bone]

welcome to pvp

may the odds be in your favour for shuffle tomorrow

[tropic summit]

maybe i'll get to see my long lost rival in another bracket of 9 months ago

[solid flare]

ill be back tomorrow, and we can cook then i guess

i did not think a 3rd centi/anis would break so many things.

[tropic summit]

whatever that 4RL was doing was working, i guess?

sometimes the most original lineups do provide the most unexpected outcomes

[swift mango]

At least I can confirm now that Cindy delayed burst is just a myth. If 2.4 RL Blanc can't catch it then there is no delay. Because 2.3RL B2 could already catch the 2RL b3 naturally.

[keen vapor]

Blanc team?

[solid flare]

i dont know how, but that set of three was holding most days, sometimes one of them would get lucky.

[coarse lake]

? there 100% is delay to cindy

[solid flare]

but now, none of them needed to 'scout', all of them attacked and brok in with a one shot.

[coarse lake]

if blanc indom couldn't be in time that could be due to the intended indom target or blanc getting hit by it first

[fast relic]

I very recently pulled Rumani and Pepper. These are my current teams. The first and second are both 3RL, the last is just CP bloat nonsense. I do not have any additional pvp nuke characters like Scarlet or Ein. Maybe QEQ or SSakura works?

Where should I look to incorporate Pepper and Rumani into my current teams, and at what point does it make sense to veer away from CP bloat third team and attempt to create a real third team?

[swift mango]

That's where the myth come from

[tropic summit]

[coarse lake]

it's not a myth if it's true there's a delay, the problem is the who gets targeted first seems to be random and changes hourly

so you can't consistently plan around a delay

[tropic summit]

so it's RNG based

[swift mango]

The delay maybe 0.1 RL only and doesn't really matter anyway.

[coarse lake]

noah can definitely block several of the hits being 0.5 rl slower

whether your team is still intact after the initial few hits got through is another question

and yeah realistically it doesn't matter

[tropic summit]

@keen vapor

[coarse lake]

unless you're out of ideas and wanna just rng for it, for consistency you wanna pretend there's no delay anyway

[swift mango]

Maybe it's just some CS into your team. Or the delay only happened after first hit from Cindy.

[tropic summit]

the one above you mean?

#pvp-arena message

[swift mango]

The first hit bring no delay.

[coarse lake]

I've seen noah block like the second half of hits

yeah the gap between first and second seem larger than the rest

but that can be enough to mess with indoms already

with noah biscuit it's probably fine

I've had 3 runs of same matchup in rookie across different times, each time different indom target (my cindy is 1rl faster)

depending on crit and who gets targeted first

[swift mango]

Also it could be less than 0.5 RL. Your 3rl could actually be 2.9 RL or sth. And 2.8RL Noah already caught 2.5RL B3 without delay.

[tropic summit]

extra value then on cindy burst to mess with blanc indom target

that could screw up teams in your own favour

[coarse lake]

it could be a cs'ed noah team sure

noah invuln by itself is delayed a bit

but I can definitely see slower noah blocking, bc of how long it takes for some of the last few hits to land

shouldn't do it unless desperate, but it's an option

[tropic summit]

so you could say in a race against a scarlet or against a team with indom blanc, cindy could be potentially better or worse of a choice

[swift mango]

It could be take 0.2 RL or Sth to get to the last hit so Noah caught it but I doubt it's really that much. Consider I killed a 3RL Noah team at 2.5RL before.

[coarse lake]

scarlet vs cindy nuke, both unprotected and able to kill, scar usually wins

[tropic summit]

due to speed i imagine 🤔

one is instant full dmg, the other is delayed multiple hits

[coarse lake]

maybe a chance for cindy if initial target is linked and causes scar to die, but even then, I think scar nuke is faster than cindy initial (haven't tested)

[tropic summit]

makes sense

[coarse lake]

and yeah that's assuming both are actually same speed, which they prob won't be

[swift mango]

It's the other way around to me. Cindy vs Scarlet non buff or 1 buff at 2 RL and Scarlet would always unable to kill Cindy lol.

[coarse lake]

yeah scar team would actually need enough dmg is the problem

cindy doesn't worry about that

[keen vapor]

Yes

[coarse lake]

do you have vid of this

[tropic summit]

what about it?

[keen vapor]

Was it the one doing better?

[tropic summit]

appearently on his feedback yep

and based on the screenshots provided

[swift mango]

Yes but I need to find it again. I could always do it again tomorrow as the guy still keep the same defense team.

[coarse lake]

from my experience, against a 1rl slower blanc indom team, as long as the unit doesn't die from the first 5 hits, they live long enough to receive indom

there is quite a gap between the first and second hit per target

and killing a target with the first 5 hits doesn't redistribute the final 5, it'll just hit the dead body

I feel like a 0.5 rl slower noah where everyone can survive a single hit of cindy should be able to block the second set of 5 and live through

[tropic summit]

we kind of already have evidence from Blood's rookie fight

[swift mango]

Okay I dude changed his team and my record was 2.5Cindy vs 3rl Blanc.

Blanc was hit with biscuit though so won't die. And Blanc wasn't triggered. So even more to confirm Blanc couldn't hit in time.

[coarse lake]

noah delay is only like 0.1 rl

[tropic summit]

this was taken between the very first hit of the cindy burst, it happened to be hitting blanc first

[tropic summit]

plus it's exactly at 4:55, so basicly within like 0.1s maybe?

[swift mango]

@coarse lake

See Blanc doesn't trigger at all.

[coarse lake]

that's barely a 4rl opponent

assuming they got quantums

[swift mango]

Oh nvm

[coarse lake]

lemme post one of my vids

[swift mango]

Need to find another record lol. My bad

[coarse lake]

biscuit got indom there, bc she doesn't have the hp to live it without indom

I got other vids where it's less ambiguous

[swift mango]

This is 3RL vs 3 RL though

[coarse lake]

their blanc heal is when I burst 3

[swift mango]

Then it's 0.3 RL difference

[coarse lake]

buff gained by biscuit and rh visual effect

[solid flare]

not to shit on Casey Mongillo but he's never going to match the engergy of Takehito Koyasu for mustang.

[coarse lake]

happened after the first hit of cindy, and maybe another on blanc (can't tell), but no more than that

only 1-2 hits made it before their b2 triggered

[swift mango]

Do all your RL having 17% CS and they has none? Unless it's the case it can't be 0.5RL difference.

[coarse lake]

none

my team is just perfectly 3rl, had to quantum for it

noah laplace noise 0 cs

[swift mango]

If B3 same time as B2 them it's 0.32 RL difference.

[tropic summit]

first hit on biscuit, blanc cast indom on lowest HP which is biscuit... on same RL 🤔

[coarse lake]

my b3 is roughly same time as their b1

using the rh pic

well

their b1 is slightly faster than my b3

[tropic summit]

the mere fact you can essentially bypass blanc indom prefered target like this adds another strategy of sort

although the consistency is all over the place

[coarse lake]

yeah it's not full 1rl slower

somewhere between 0.5 and 1 rl slower

they prob have CS'ed emi, letting them reach 3.5rl

their b1 at 3.82 rl time vs my b3 at 4.16 rl time makes sense

[swift mango]

Their team could be anywhere from 3RL to 4RL so hard to tell. Oh well.

[coarse lake]

it's not 3rl or 4rl, I know that for sure

it's approx 3.5

now there is also delay to noah that blanc doesn't have, so more hits will go through for 0.5 rl slower noah

[swift mango]

Could be 3.3 RL like my Emilia+Crown team lol.

/Jk

[coarse lake]

prob about half

lemme check their b2 vs my b3

their b2 is when I'm 9.88 sec left on full burst

so their b2 is marginally slower than my b3

yeah it's gotta be 3.5

any faster and their b2 happens before my b3

[lone imp]

Alright yall

I'm running this, but I just nabbed Biscuit and Blanc. How do I rearrange?

[coarse lake]

rn their b2 is 4.24rl, my b3 is 4.16rl

so it's 3rl vs 3.5rl

[lone imp]

Sorry for hopping in the middle on you Eon

[tropic summit]

that VA is one of the best ever afterall, hard competition

[swift mango]

How did you check it?

Even to 0.01RL?

[coarse lake]

I used gatrix calc

[swift mango]

Eh you don't know their CS though