pvp-arena

[upper grove]

I could also just CP gap them by ~32% with my pve team but the biscuit is too annoying

sorry forgot about Rapunzel, don't have her either

[swift mango]

Then just use Jackal.

Noah need to have lower CS than Noise.

[upper grove]

Alright will try it. Unfortunately the 1st team will die by CP deficit, it's not too important because this is rookie arena after the reshuffle and I actually have pvp teams in my bracket now. Last time I was chilling at R1 but now 2-3 ppl can actually hit me

[swift mango]

Then just use 2nd team

[lone hill]

I don't want to play arena anymore. is such joke when a f***** whale stared to targeting you 02865587

there's any way to change group?

[umbral crown]

yes, you can wait 3 more months if lucky for a new group

[lone hill]

well them 3 months without playing this garbage mode

[thorn pagoda]

i've noticed a few new players in rookie arena today and a few older players aren't showing up. did rookie arena undergo a reform a few days ago?

i guess special arena will undergo reform in 5 days too

[tawny vine]

only time ppl attack in rookie arena is in the first few hours after reshuffle 🥲

[thorn pagoda]

that's the only time they can attack. once they get 200 points above you they can't see you anymore

[tawny vine]

it's the other way around but I get what you mean

[thorn pagoda]

in the past, those above you could still see you & attack you, but you couldn't see them, so my rival kept attacking me and i couldn't do anything fff

[swift mango]

They can still see u if they try hard enoughm

[tawny vine]

I actually kinda like rookie to test teams but kinda whatever when there's no one to fight

don't get the idea of ppl attacking low ranks

[thorn pagoda]

personally, i go after 2 & 3 equally until they both have the same amount of points
the only reason a high rank would target a low rank is if they hold a grudge

or if they want to test how powerful the opponent is

[umbral crown]

the idea is to send a message

[tawny vine]

[umbral crown]

its like me, been with the same people for months, so i just x2 rank 2, x2 rank 3 and x1 rank 4

[tawny vine]

If I was low rank being targeted by rank 1 I would just read that as a love message

[umbral crown]

i am giving them same love and sometimes i x2 rank 4 for a change

in my rookie, even tho we are similar cp they ar enot attacking me

so i just attack them

[swift mango]

I found my rookie rival in my first rookie bracket again, I thought he quitted.

Not much difference than quitting though

[umbral crown]

bro has RH

everyone has her but me

[tawny vine]

I'm surprised you don't but at least xanne soon surely. basically a better rh for pvp

[umbral crown]

but X.Anne is B2

i need RH to B1

[swift mango]

RH is B1-3, xAnne is B2. Nothing to do with each other.

[tawny vine]

I never actually thought about her pos

I just want another battery and buffer and she's that

they both give 77%~ Atk and only ones that do that iirc

[umbral crown]

you sure care aout her position, she could die before burst and then you are done

but RH atk scales with her own atk

[swift mango]

For PvP only by builder like Rosy, it would help with Campaign as well.

[umbral crown]

si

some powa is needed

[swift mango]

The most important thing RH would help you would be to pass those farters stage on Hard mode.

[umbral crown]

and normal

i have not finished normal campaign, still on 32

[tawny vine]

I prolly wouldn't bother with story either if I didn't have rh

even though others prolly mald without her anyway

[swift mango]

To be frank, dude had it since day one of rookie arena. It was his main team.

[umbral crown]

yeah, i was doing it with pvp units but got the limit haha

[tawny vine]

soon (tm) I do love how easy it is to slot rapunzel though prolly one of my favorite

[proud egret]

isn't this 3RL? just use 2RL?

[upper grove]

yeah my 2RL teams are CP gapped unfortunately, I've already tried

And I cannot get rid of Biscuit S2 until they can burst

[proud egret]

i wonder why they use bisc instead of centi or whatever

[swift mango]

Yeah the 2RL he doesn't have built and will be deficit.

[upper grove]

waiting for more equipment fodder for units, I have the majority of T9 manufacturer gear for upgrades but no materials

[swift mango]

It's rookie. They probably want high CP as detergent.

[tawny vine]

the other guys in your bracket are in the same position so you'll get there. unless you're fighting whales or a returnee

[proud egret]

pretty sure they shuffled the groups

i don't recognize a lot of these new ppl

[raven plover]

they did

[umbral crown]

did they

[bleak latch]

power of lobbyists

most high ranking not going against each other much

nasty comp

[proud yarrow]

I think I need some help updating my Rookie Arean team.

For my DEF Team I got this:

Noah-Noise-Scarlet-Biscuit-Jackal

Come to think of it who suggested this team to me before? Anyway their combined CP is 197,534 and that's just not good enough.

Here's my entire Roster at the moment:

Any suggestions?

And maybe one for ATK Team too?

Been using:
Crown-Liter-Privaty-SBS-Maxwell

But I don't think they're cutting it anymore ven at 329,548 CP

[umbral crown]

[prime lava]

Can someone help me cook up sp arena teams? Im too behind on knowing whats good for arena nowadays Have everyone but Rumani.

[umbral crown]

[bleak latch]

try mine

Rumani can be anyone that using RL Clip / any fast burst gen

[umbral crown]

[bleak latch]

also naga bad for burst gen

[umbral crown]

where your nikkes in horizontal mode shorted by power only

[prime lava]

i should give laplace the fav item

[umbral crown]

[bleak latch]

beeg damage w/o burst and decent burst gen

[umbral crown]

of coursee

[bleak latch]

worth the mat

[prime lava]

ive been giving the upgrades to those meta units my laplace didnt get priority

[umbral crown]

but share your units, i can not see your invested ones

[prime lava]

[bleak latch]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-do-it-gif-10270118

[prime lava]

my skill investments tho

[bleak latch]

just S2 is fine leave the burst and s1

[prime lava]

nvm ill just invest in moran

[nocturne arrow]

need a help again guys

[bleak latch]

scarlet/noise/noah/centi/jackal

[nocturne arrow]

dont have scarlet and noah

those are the one that useable

[umbral crown]

excellent, go Phase 3

[umbral crown]

try to focus on S2

S1 can be left at lv5

[prime lava]

just realized i forgot to OL her

[bleak latch]

[prime lava]

s2 skill lv10? or is 7 good enough

[bleak latch]

10 for damage

[umbral crown]

lv10

your sync does not allow to go mid investment

[bleak latch]

[umbral crown]

https://tenor.com/view/mai-mai-san-sakurajima-bunny-girl-senpai-sakuta-gif-7849008725527356890

[prime lava]

my sync indicates im running out of skill manuals

[bleak latch]

this is why must be 10

[prime lava]

[bleak latch]

every shot she deal twice damage

[coarse lake]

wtf

why you going that far

[prime lava]

[umbral crown]

SP Defense
Noah-Noise-Biscuit-Cindirella-Jackal
Scarlet-Noir-Liter-X.Anne-Emilia
SBS-Blanc-Laplace+-Red Hood-Centi

[umbral crown]

now whats your X.Anne investment

[prime lava]

[umbral crown]

her burst over lv5 at least

or she has OL?

[prime lava]

[umbral crown]

you have resources to OL?

[prime lava]

ye

[umbral crown]

then go for it

have enough burst books?

[prime lava]

how high she wants her burst to be

[umbral crown]

i can recommendoyu lv7

but ideally lv10 is the way for a better experience more atk similar of RH

[prime lava]

time to throw away the moran i just slightly invested in

[umbral crown]

moran has uses

but now depends your priorities

i see on pve you are fine

[bleak latch]

im thinking of doing like
moran/bay/sanis/rapunzel?/jackal what ur opinion?

[umbral crown]

for me best use for moran is in a team with Biscuit and S.Anis

you know moran to stand along without biscuit need high investment

[bleak latch]

using biscuit in cindy team atm.

[umbral crown]

i see, then go for it and see how it works

original teams for the win

[final wedge]

what RL is this??? 3 RL?

[umbral crown]

should be 3

[prime lava]

thanks for he help yall

[umbral crown]

now tell me the cp of the new team

did you ol X.Anne?

[bleak latch]

maybe 3 im not sure

[prime lava]

ol like 3 of her gear less the arms

[umbral crown]

cool

share the cp of your 3 teams, wanna see if they are looking better

[prime lava]

gotta go soon so ill read laplace fav item mission another time, havent change her collection item to fav item yet

[umbral crown]

oh

take your time

but later when you do let me know

im wathcing you

[prime lava]

but this is the team less laplace+

[umbral crown]

[prime lava]

3.2mil cp total

[umbral crown]

excellent

better than before?

[prime lava]

before was 3.145 mil

[umbral crown]

well, looking better

[bleak latch]

hope enemy not using scarlet com on ur 2nd team

SMG AR

[umbral crown]

do not give them ideas

[prime lava]

in my bracket defending is always a losing battle most of the time

[umbral crown]

if you lose more, swap emi and jackal

but for now give a try, teams looking better than before

[bleak latch]

welp my rival were like 2.8 mil beat my 3.3 mil team everyday

SP arena is hell

[umbral crown]

you know people can always skip 1 team

[prime lava]

like this?

[bleak latch]

ik that why im trying my best not to build too weak team

[umbral crown]

wait

defense teams will not always work for atk

[bleak latch]

3rd opposite team look juicy for scarlet

[prime lava]

you know what ill just do laplace story rn, ah crap its long

[umbral crown]

the SG teams with pepper you can run:

Scarlet-X.Anne-Liter-Noir-Jackal

for S.Anis team you can go
Noah-Noise-Biscuit-Cindy-Centi-

RH team you can go witjh

Blanc-SBS-LAplace+-Red Hood-Emilia

record if possible, try to not attack with your exact defense, things not gonna work. remember to try to know the mechanics and how they works

[prime lava]

[umbral crown]

his rivals are not that bright

[umbral crown]

if they are like this, with some gems i will force my way to C1 if not gapped

[thorn pagoda]

this was absolute hell

[late schooner]

Did you beat their Scarlet/Jackal team?

[prime lava]

Not with the Blanc/sbs/lap/rh/ Emilia team

[lean bobcat]

Need a team for Rookie Arena

[late schooner]

If you do find a combination that beat it would like to see it

[graceful grotto]

Blanc-Scarlet-Red Hood-Biscuit/Centi-Jackal

[trim fable]

what to use against this? (rookie)

[fathom rock]

Any 2rl one-shot nuke that doesn't feed jackal much is a free win here, or just use a 3rl stall comp,
Noah/biscuit/cindy/centi/jackal how much cp is that

[stable temple]

if he didn't made bet with someone to get 3'rd place at end of season then I don't know what he trying to do.

[tropic summit]

not all people have got a head on their shoulders

some are just downright insane

[bleak latch]

Imagine linking Emma Scarlet Jackal to face this

[lunar dirge]

looks like my bracket back at 160 wall

[trail inlet]

imagine having emma invested

[viral spoke]

damn, the whalers are on the move in my PvP bracket

i've been logging in everyday to findout i have been outranked and then immediately take it back where i came from

[quartz prawn]

omg i got gang bnged

[viral spoke]

they're on the move

[vapid lake]

Maybe they're a cartel all working together

[swift mango]

This dude is seriously hardcore lol. Yesterday her spent 900 gem on my 2 teams and got dropped to rank 17. Today, I changed team again and he dropped 700 gem on me just to get to rank 2... Idk he may just have too much gem to spend and no one who changed their defense for him to attack and just met me...

[swift mango]

This is why you must login every few hours to take back your rank asap lol.

[swift mango]

Just use Blanc+RH+Biscuit+Centi+Jackal and it's a free win. Even if you are at above 15.4 deficit, just not too much into it.

Penguin just deleted his comment again.

[vapid lake]

I'm aware there are at least 3 people in my bracket that's in this server so that info can be used against me

I realized that after typing

[swift mango]

Lol not like they know when you are going to work and when you are going to sleep. Or you worry that they know when you attack and work out your daily schedule to sell it to some black market groups?

[vapid lake]

They can figure it out after a long enough time

A few times i almost lost my spot because i was hit while sleeping

[quartz prawn]

they got the secret discord

[quartz prawn]

ive been settling top 2-3 for a while now and decided to test the whale at rank 1. won because he had rh use b1-2-3 lol. and then that happened

[swift mango]

Well, I meant, that's what the whale had to weather everyday so you just took it from him.

If you log in 1 hour early the r10 wouldn't have hit you lol.

[quartz prawn]

i cant. i wake up after reset

[mighty haven]

first time?

[fathom rock]

does that win

[vapid lake]

T1 bursting with alice so tia should go pos 1 to block her
Noise should go t2 to buff cindy dmg to ensure she one shots through jackal link

[fathom rock]

Shouldn't T2 remain 2rl

[vapid lake]

I doubt cindy can one shot with 0 buffer at that sync level

Hes free to try 2rl and see how it goes

[median flare]

winnable

in t1 could just do 4 sg and scarlet p5

[fathom rock]

I'll tell him to give it a shot

[vapid lake]

He need a defender taunter in pos 1 against the alice team or he will die

Noise isnt a defender

[median flare]

their team should be 4rl

and they are 3 sg

should be enough

probably for tia to land 5 shots

[fathom rock]

It worked

[median flare]

yeah, just 4 sg should work fine as well

[fathom rock]

3rl and T2 would've become ashes

[pseudo gate]

Any counter to this 300k deficit whale?

[vapid lake]

Open ur own wallet

[median flare]

[swift mango]

You mean they are 300k above u? You can't lose if you don't attack them. 💯

[pseudo gate]

Haha just wanted to see if there was a counter to that much of a deficit

[fathom rock]

Why can't I forward to chats with slowmode

[pseudo gate]

Closest I got was with Noah/noise/biscuit/cindy/repunzal; and their cindy was only remaining one

[fathom rock]

Any chance he can beat the warcraft sweat, cp and lvl on weakest team for refference

[swift mango]

I guess you could try

CROWN+Cindy+RH+Biscuit+Centi

And hope you could one shot them since they dare to put Cindy p1.

[vapid lake]

I mean it might be possible but there's no way u can defend against him when he can just cp gap u and take the spot back easily

[median flare]

that's huge

[fathom rock]

Well 2nd place is still 3k gems

[vapid lake]

Sit at 2nd and defend 2nd place then

[pseudo gate]

Not really seeking the 1 spot haha, know that it’s not possible. Just wanted to see if there is a counter just for the heck of it

[pseudo gate]

Haha it’s rookie arena, so it’s just for the fun of countering. Just threw 5 rounds away today just to try to mess with that comp

[fathom rock]

Didn't you die in less than 5 secs tho

[pseudo gate]

But understand if the cp cap is too big and there’s no counter to that

[median flare]

you could try ~~noah biscuit rh crown jackal ~~

[fathom rock]

Biscuit cindy comp probably your best chance

[swift mango]

I guess Biscuit would die to their biscuit flash damage and no buff RHbwouldn't be strong enough to beat them.

That's should be 95% happen

[median flare]

i mean they're all single target

[pseudo gate]

Yes I did haha. I tried with scarlet/blanc/rh/emi/jackal. Died before burst

[swift mango]

Their Biscuit isn't.

[median flare]

yeah

[swift mango]

Biscuit gaming

[median flare]

it's the best bet tho

[swift mango]

Crown+Cindy+RH+Biscuit+Centi

Should survive until burst and it's a 3 buff Cindy.

Crown package 3 skill could be considered 2 buff or more. RH is also a huge buff.

[pseudo gate]

I’ll take notes haha for tomorrow plus all the suggestions above

[median flare]

cindy probably die

noir will shoot centi? no?

[swift mango]

By biscuit normal attack? She is at least defender class haha.

And he should have her fully invested, unlike his biscuit

[median flare]

i see your point, really depends on how much deficit he has.

[fathom rock]

Biscuit should protect both centi and crown till burst if this bursts fast to begin with, I think that team lacks regen

[median flare]

mine it's just lets biscuit die

[pseudo gate]

300k plus >300K, <350K

[swift mango]

I guess Crown+Biscuit+Cindy+RH+Centi if he had to.

[median flare]

you should tell your cp and their cp

[swift mango]

Well, the opposite has the audacity of putting Cindy in P1, need to use it to the fullest.

[median flare]

could work

[pseudo gate]

1259614 their cp; mine is about ~923000

[median flare]

doable

[fathom rock]

And pray enemy biscuit doesn't cause cindy to survive and just kill the team solo

[median flare]

-0.26

[swift mango]

Could try Blanc if that's the case.

[mortal sorrel]

I need help buliding a team for sp arena

[fathom rock]

Send your units, and if you are attacking send enemy lineup

[swift mango]

Feel like you should use RH team and add crown to buff RH.

#pvp-arena message

[median flare]

exposed

[swift mango]

If it's 900 vs 1200 he should win

[median flare]

i was editing

[swift mango]

I won't use Jackal though as she would link with RH and could get RH killed.

[median flare]

yeah, agreed

[swift mango]

Noah+Biscuit+RH+Jackal+Crown

If you must.

[median flare]

what if his jackal links crown

[swift mango]

Just use Centi then

[pseudo gate]

Alright thanks, I’ll give it a try

[fathom rock]

Laplace have fav item?
Why cindy cp so low?
Alice is where your invested unit list ends?

[fathom rock]

Moran/biscuit/sanis/centi/bay
Blanc/cindy/anis/rumani/drake
Highest cp you have left

Swap drake with laplace if she has fav item

[swift mango]

Why no rem for Rem Supremacy ?🤔

[vapid lake]

Retro now taking over echo's job as pvp ma

[mortal sorrel]

I have no favourite item
Cindy, I havent done her gear yet

[fathom rock]

Should gear her up soon

[mortal sorrel]

Okay, I dont even have OL gear yet 😅

[fathom rock]

Send your units, and if you are attacking send enemy lineup

Next time please change to horizontal

You have 2b and lv295, sorry can't fix that you are pvp bricked

No need

[tough elm]

helluuuu
can someone have a look at my SP Arena def team and whether there are any viable improvements? the team is already very old

[fathom rock]

Your opponents will just outlvl you because you took a break from the game

unless you 💳 there is no hope for good pvp ranking

[mortal sorrel]

Retro can donate

[fathom rock]

Just ignore sp pvp, do rookie arena for tickets

[fathom rock]

I can't and even if I can I won't

[swift mango]

Moran+Rumani+ASS+Biscuit+Maiden

SBS+Blanc+S.Sakura(higher Hp than SBS)+Anis/Centi+Jackal

Crown+Rem(Lv1)+Rossanna+Privaty+Centi

Or auto team.

Ehhe, a rem team for you or you could auto team.

Hey don't worry she would get revived after the fight anyway

[median flare]

rem sac

[fathom rock]

Laplace have treasure?

[median flare]

or you can use this if your sanis, ssakura invested

blanc sanis drake biscuit rumani
moran crown ssakura centi anis
liter naga sbs modernia privaty

[swift mango]

Where is rem

[median flare]

who is rem

[swift mango]

She is supremacy

[swift mango]

Could replace Cindy with Privaty,

Naga+Pepper+Anis+Cindy+Drake

[swift mango]

Scarlet could replace M.Privaty if strong enough. But Noir and Jackal both need Quantum equipped in that case. Or at least Jackal.

[mortal sorrel]

Okay thanks

[tough elm]

many thanksies

[mortal sorrel]

Everyone knows you are rich

[fathom rock]

Not in money perhaps

#gacha-rolls

[mortal sorrel]

Which pilgrim is the worst one?
Im missing a few

[fathom rock]

Isabel and delete this ss from here

[mortal sorrel]

Is noah a must for pvp?

[fathom rock]

Noah super useful yes, good burst regen and makes you invincible after her burst for surviving nukes, also a defender taunt for biscuit comps

[mortal sorrel]

Goddamn it, I dont have her.

[fossil bluff]

Can you do sp arena last minute before daily reset to steal a spot ?

[terse abyss]

Points are calculated based on how long you hold the position, so it doesn't matter that much to steal a spot if you can't hold it for long

How to beat this team? Noah, biscuit, s anis, jackal, Alice?
I tried a faster team but i guess Cinderella nuke is too slow as Noah burst still goes up before my damage goes in

[swift mango]

He spent 800 gems today now and still r6. I feel like a bully but it is what it is.

On the other hand, the guy with the Biscuit sarc comp from my old bracket became R1 lol...

[umbral crown]

🎈

must be nice having active rivals in rookie

[swift mango]

At least after this he will have the experience to deal with Emilia one shot at 2.8, 3 and 3.3 RL lol...

[umbral crown]

hahaha crazy

whats the defense of that boi

[swift mango]

He keeps changing it to the one that just beat my defense

Once he changed it to a p1 Cindy lol...

This is what he's using right now. @umbral crown

[swift mango]

How fast you mean by faster? 2RL Cindy? That need 3 clip RL and 1 clip SG.

Just Emilia one shot it. The team I showed above should work. Replace Centi with Jackal if you want but in that case keep Emilia max health below RH. (Vigor cube on RH)

[swift mango]

Welcome to Noah-less club.

[mortal sorrel]

😭

[swift mango]

I think dude spent a lot more than 900 gem + 5 free that he used on me. And getting r1 now... Dude really having too much gem to spend.

[umbral crown]

waos, with biscuit that comp would be interesting

[terse abyss]

I tried Cindy, jackal, Noah, SR anis, and biscuit, maybe not fast enough?

[umbral crown]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-knight-joker-its-not-about-the-money-its-about-sending-a-message-gif-15254722

[swift mango]

With biscuit it wouldn't be 2RL with feeds to beat my other comp easily lol.

[umbral crown]

you using cindy 2 RL?

[swift mango]

Already did

[umbral crown]

but he beat you'

?

[swift mango]

After 5 lost

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

I could try it again but I doubt it work

[umbral crown]

bro is learning

[swift mango]

Making him r6 again.

A super Anis fan

Likely a small whale that doesn't buy core dust boxes or just barely. So low on level. And he has gems to spare fighting plebs of similar level to him.

I think this is the kind of guy people won't bother to fight in SP even at a similar level lol...

Good for me, I could test defense comp thanks to him.

[keen vapor]

Would

[sand gazelle]

Is there attackers advantage in this game?

[keen vapor]

Of course

[sand gazelle]

What is the buff? If i may

[keen vapor]

No not that one

The advantage is that attacker can choose to use counter team, and every defense has a counter

Why you would buff the attacker

[sand gazelle]

Ah well, in some games i play, to give an example, the attacker gives 10% atk

so I was just wondering if thats the case here

[keen vapor]

There can be changes to stats though, check pins

[sand gazelle]

Thanks

[umbral crown]

[covert lintel]

oh no, he's whaling level

from 30lvl became 50lvl difference in a day

[umbral crown]

bro opened his boxes

521 boost it is then

go close to the gap and make it 40 levels

[lunar dirge]

that's just a faster,non-biscuit protected godcomp,emilia victim

[lunar dirge]

weak.

[distant ingot]

halp

imayormaynothavelost4/5againstthisguyyesterday

testingdifferentteams😭

[lunar dirge]

blanc emi rh biscuit jackal

[distant ingot]

donthaverh

[lunar dirge]

liter?

[distant ingot]

ok

[keen vapor]

You're getting quite behind in level

[lunar dirge]

more like how tf he's having 230k at 280

[keen vapor]

When are you going to repair your spacebar

[lunar dirge]

when you stop hoarding

[keen vapor]

[distant ingot]

thatdidnotgotoowell

[lunar dirge]

who was jackal linked?

[keen vapor]

Noah

[lunar dirge]

try same but with noah instead

[distant ingot]

wasntlooking😭

[keen vapor]

FUMO SERVER LET ME IN

[distant ingot]

insteadofblanc?

[lunar dirge]

try touching grass first,u damn challenger

[distant ingot]

real

[keen vapor]

Yes

[lunar dirge]

ye

[umbral crown]

si

you need Noah+Biscuit to face Cindy

[distant ingot]

justbarely<15%deficit😱

[keen vapor]

[distant ingot]

sob

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

[distant ingot]

ididsomuchmoredamage😭

[fathom rock]

Did someone get cindy nuked

[distant ingot]

ilivedherburst

butthenidiedafter‼️

[fathom rock]

Because their team tankier by a lot

[distant ingot]

0-6

ilied

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[fathom rock]

[covert lintel]

can't
im f2p

[warm acorn]

Is this team good enough for storyand arena? My story team is getting crushed.

[covert lintel]

i'll harrass the usual C2 then
by making him pay 100 every 2 days

[umbral crown]

like me

[fathom rock]

This team sucks for story need cdr, jackal useless
For pvp where burst regen

[swift mango]

Emilia full charge nuke would often miss Liter buff by 1-2 seconds. So she just can't be buffed by Liter for Arena nuke.

You going in with no buff Emilia ofc you would lose.

[cobalt token]

Yo gang, i was chilling on rookie then one guy around 1300points keeps farming me since two weeks ago, even if i'm around 1000pts and he doesn't get sh#@. It all just started when i've got my Cinderella on pfp. Is this hate? 💀

[umbral crown]

https://tenor.com/view/the-dark-knight-its-about-sending-a-message-joker-heath-ledger-the-joker-gif-18201880

you got her gacha skin?

[cobalt token]

I don't have her gacha skin, but i'm hell sure something happened between him and Cinderella--

[umbral crown]

maybe he did 1m pulls and did not get her

and now he targets all cindy profiles, Cindy Hunter is called

[cobalt token]

That really happends? Holy cow

[umbral crown]

not her prince anymore

[cobalt token]

Damn-- 😂 😭

I'll just throw more logs into the fire and put her profile frame from the minigame

[cold steeple]

Can someone help me to build teams to counter it?

[umbral crown]

https://tenor.com/view/kyouko-toshinō-yuru-yuri-anime-laugh-gif-12003949

[cold steeple]

Currently I build

Blanc/Emilia/RH/Biscuit/Jackal to counter 1st team

XAnne/Scarlet/Rumani/Anis/Centi to counter 3rd team but the cp is around 480k

Wondering if there’s better option for scarlet nuke

[tropic summit]

any tips to beat this one?

thinking of noah biscuit s.anis RH jackal

[umbral crown]

Team 1: Blanc/S.Anis/Rapunzel/Noir/Emilia
Team 2: Noah/Noise/SBS/Biscuit/Centi
Team 3: Scarlet/X.Anne/Red Hood/Laplace+/Jackal

[cold steeple]

Thanks a lot but can you explain a bit on why you build the teams this way? I am still learning

[tropic summit]

w/e it's done

how about this one?

[tropic summit]

nvm done, sad day for china again

[warm acorn]

Any advice for PvP?

[polar bolt]

Chat, am I cooked? He just reached his 401 CP jump and now 2nd team CP's too high for my counter team to beat

I was thinking of maybe this setup now?

But aunno how strong his Rosanna is, not sure if she'll wipe both Jackal and Emilia, which might end up giving him the win. Thoughts?

[tropic summit]

battling whales is pointless, they'll gem anyway

you can try, but probably waste effort on the medium/long run

[polar bolt]

I mean I keep attacking him because I've no one else to attack lol

[tropic summit]

ah makes sense then

team 1 is on 11% CP difference, team 3 is on 10% cp deficit, so at least you're in range

[polar bolt]

I just kinda treat it all as practice for champion arena, if it ever comes out

[tropic summit]

their team 3 is the weakest, you can throw a scarlet + jackal in there to make quick work of them

[warm acorn]

#pvp-arena message

[tropic summit]

team 2 is open to s.anis or emilia

team 1 you need to noah them

i've less experience against rosanna so i'd pick team 2

[warm acorn]

You seem competent do you have any advice @tropic summit

[tropic summit]

hmm you do have some meta nikke, 2 full teams might be doable, 3rd is likely gonna be more fillerish

gonna take a look i'll get back to you shortly

[warm acorn]

Yeah? I don’t know how to build different than for story cause. My story team has been getting crushed by 10k less combat power.

Thanks. 🙏

[tropic summit]

team1: scarlet noir yuni liter jackal
team2: anis cinderella noise biscuit rumani
team3: any high CP, try to go for shotguns

[keen vapor]

Not Yuni again

[tropic summit]

what else would you put in B2

rupee? grave?

[warm acorn]

At least yuni is a rocket launcher lol

[tropic summit]

you could put grave for slightly less burst gen but extra buff atk, it won't matter too much, just make sure to wishlist centi 👍

[keen vapor]

Mica my beloved

Actually, grave is not bad idea

[tropic summit]

gosh it's been years since i used her, actual legit choice

[keen vapor]

Yuni has lower burst gen than common RL

[tropic summit]

@warm acorn go with echo recommendation, either grave or mica, as you might invest in grave for other content anyway

[warm acorn]

Mica or graves what’s more recc?

[tropic summit]

mica won't be useful on long run, go grave

you'll use grave in possibly tower, campaign, pvp and definitely RAIDs

[latent forge]

Hello, hope everyone is doing great!

I just wanna know if its wise to level pvp based units skills pass the recommended. For example, based on what i've seen and heard, Noah skills should be at 4/4/4 for PvP but if you level them up more, you get a bit more CP out of her for the team. Is it okay to level the skills or just leave it?

[tropic summit]

don't waste resources early on units if you can invest in pve while keeping pvp to a bare minimun (dia1 or above)

there are some nikke worth it due to being good on both pve and pvp, e.g. cinderella, scarlet, sbs, s.anis

ur priority should be progress, especially until you finish normal campaign

investing in units good for both pve and pvp is an option if you've got good rolls

[latent forge]

Oh no, i have been playing sinnce last year's anni

I've finished majority of the content so far and got my PVE units all maxed

[tropic summit]

aight then you could invest in pvp units

[latent forge]

Okay, thanks!

[tropic summit]

there are certain pvp units that require you to hit specific skill levels, like s.anis on lvl 9 for the ammunition requirement

[latent forge]

Just wanted something to do and PvP was one of them

[tropic summit]

noah you could potentially leave her 4/4/4 and just focus on OL gear

[latent forge]

Yeah, so ive heard.. Also gonna be getting my Emilia out of the cupboard since I see that she is great also

[latent forge]

ok, noted

[keen vapor]

Moran

[tropic summit]

yeah emilia is busted and disgusting

[keen vapor]

Btw, what's your synch?

[tropic summit]

go and abuse that

battery, off dps, delayed nuke

[latent forge]

Would also like some recommendations if that is okay.

[latent forge]

294 but i can level up some more, got the resources

[latent forge]

Ive been trying to get her broo

[keen vapor]

You have 3k core dust cases?

[keen vapor]

[latent forge]

Oh damn, nah

[keen vapor]

Well, even if it's enough for 10 levels I think is enough to fight for decent position

You're NA as well

We may be in the same PVP bracket

[latent forge]

I really wanna know how long this will take because I been wanting Alice and I only get her when she was given for free which was almost a year

[keen vapor]

Who's Challenger 1 in your bracket?

[latent forge]

Some dude name Anjelly

or Dudette idk

[keen vapor]

Then we're not in the same bracket

[tropic summit]

yeah echo is clearly Dudette

alt account

joke aside, some of the dudes in this chat are actually pretty close in server number, might happen with next refresh that someone sees familiar faces

[long chasm]

Any recomend team deff for this dude

[latent forge]

You started way before the Anni right? I thought the brackets are formed from the times people started playing.. But it wouldve been nice for all of us to challenge each other.. But maybe that for Champ Arena in the next 5 years

[tropic summit]

go with the high win rate teams, if you can form any of these

scarlet blanc rh centi jackal
rumani anis cinderella emilia21 noir
noah noise s.anis biscuit rapunzel
Noah-Noise-Centi-Cindy-Rapunzel

you'll want to tweak them based on CP and whatever nikke you may be missing (if you miss them)

there's variations with bay aswell, although if they running emilia you may want to pass on her, it doesn't block her nuke

[long chasm]

I have all nikke no prob

[rustic sandal]

I’m sorry, but unless I’m reading this correctly, that’s Alice, JUST ALICE at slightly over 213K?

[warm acorn]

It sucks you say shotguns but have noir in another team xD

[tropic summit]

lvl 470 full OL and skilled does that to a nikke

[tropic summit]

yeah noir was needed for burst gen

clip SG

[long chasm]

And max core😂

[tropic summit]

3-4 shotguns are also fine, if the foe doesn't pay attention they might see their p1 be deleted before burst

[rustic sandal]

Ok, question for you, if I was running Exia at C5, Max Skill, and Her Favorite item, What would her OL Stat preference be

[warm acorn]

Centi over who?

[long chasm]

Should i upgrade sr anis skill? 😂 i never upgrade her ult

[warm acorn]

I know I’m gonna be told over elegg but elegg is one of my faves

[rustic sandal]

We love Egg

[long chasm]

I only upgarde her skill 1 and 2

Never though using her as burst lol

[warm acorn]

I guess yuni too. But I’ve already got two of her.

But yuni is useless? Aggh

[tropic summit]

centi liter drake naga ein maxwell piper tia are all useful

1. if you don't have liter+grave/crown wishlist liter
2. if you don't have blanc+noir or blanc+rouge or naga+tia or crown+grave, wish list blanc and rouge or naga and tia
3. naga regardless try to get her even without tia, blanc is best with noir or rouge
4. the rest are useful for other purposes

[tropic summit]

anis main usage is just battery purposes, put her in p4 where she's most safe, as she'll be weaker stat wise

[tropic summit]

yes yuni is essentially bad

[warm acorn]

Literally and naga can be got from the normal pull thingy tho.

Liter *

[long chasm]

But that anis in p2 😂

And use as b2

[tropic summit]

depends who you facing

rumani anis cinderella emilia21 noir
can become
rumani cind emilia anis noir

p2 is generally exposed to splash dmg, but if you fighting against a team without off dps that hurts a lot in p2 on a 3RL she could stay

[long chasm]

So spending skill point to anis burst is not worth ? Right?

If just for battry only

[tropic summit]

you can keep her on 4/4/4 for low and cheap invest

[long chasm]

Most player build alice and sbs thank to anomaly kraken in interveption

[umbral crown]

you will not burst with her

[umbral crown]

are you sure the boi is attacking with defense?

[opaque pulsar]

Read all about it

https://discord.com/channels/946719263866101821/1312144167132070001

[polar bolt]

Ended up working despite deficit in T2

[tropic summit]

a comp i'm all too familiar with

noah biscuit rapu s.anis laplace(treasure)/emilia
or
noah emilia rh biscuit centi/jackal

they're 3RL so make sure you're also 3RL

3 rocket shots, the equivalent of a rocket launcher attacking 3 times

there are burst gen calculators that can help you sort it out

e.g. one such as this

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JUiiuHysG3vlWRPVx_wT6zUwkc5Ob9n8G0azCbuwlA8/edit?gid=0#gid=0

it's a good idea to grasp that concept, as burst timing generally can decide how the match goes

as a rule of thumb, a 3RL is prefered, variations such as 2.5RL and 3.5RL also exist for different purposes, even 4RL

[tropic summit]

there's also 1RL which is very situational, as in this vid

[coarse lake]

1rl only happens when someone stupid uses Cindy

[tropic summit]

even combining all the best clip RLs won't get you 1RL

although maybe with jackal feed... but you'd question the purpose of such a team

[quick lake]

ofc my rumani has crazy OL lines

[tropic summit]

imagine getting those OL's on RH

[quick lake]

Yeahhh, my SBS would have liked this but nooo 100+ rocks

[cold steeple]

Can anyone somewhat tell me like what to consider when creating an atk team for sp arena? For now, I know what's burst gen and atk pattern of sniper's and sg. Like now, I look at the enemy team I can tell how fast their burst gen is but in terms of how to counter, I have no idea. What I know is Scarlet to nuke enemy team with no Noah and use Noah to counter enemy scarlet. But I have no idea how to counter if I faced other team comp like RH, S.Anis, Emilia, SBS, Alice and so on. Can someone enlighten me

[tropic summit]

you've generally a few standard lineups, most common:

-3RL nuke
-3RL-4RL sustain

[cold steeple]

yea true

[tropic summit]

scarlet works wonders against teams that have high fire rate/high bullet counts, especially when linked with jackal, as she'll counter while also feed burst gen

on the other hand, against nuke based teams, noah can absorb the full brunt of damage, and you want to attack while/afterward, s.anis excells at this job as she can hit behind lines due to how she prioritizes highest atk%

another option is emilia, as she has an unique delayed nuke, if combined with noah, you're protected for 3s out of the 4s needed to cast the nuke, essentially ensuring emilia will have time to nuke the enemy team to the other world

then there are other approaches, such as heavy sustain lineups involving healing and high HP% gains, like noise + rapunzel

if you're just starting out messing with pvp, try to mess with teams that are 3RL or 3.5RL and stick to known meta teams to ensure you invest at least toward useful comps

once you're more confident, you can get more creative

[cold steeple]

I've actually been learning for months yet I still suck at building atk teams for sp arena cuz we are building at least 2 atk teams. Like sometimes Jackal is used in one team, then for the other team I have no idea how to build it

[small hatch]

how do i counter this nuke based emilia def? emilia's delayed nuke kills my entire team every time and and biscuit protecting noa and jackal means I can't bring down a single unit

[tropic summit]

in this case you can play with a slower noah + sanis, e.g.

noah biscuit rapu s.anis crown

[cold steeple]

man how the hell you just look at the def comp and come out with an atk comp

[worthy knoll]

Noah Crown Moran SAnis Biscuit

[cold steeple]

yall have alr memorised what burst gen speed they are?

[tropic summit]

i've a video about that one actually, here you go

[cold steeple]

Ah I see, based on experience

[small hatch]

ohh i see, crown's shield is supposed to help absorb most of emilia's nuke dmg, i assume? cause s.anis kinda dies fast against emilia's burst

[worthy knoll]

Moran can be Noise as long Noise CS >= Noah CS

[tropic summit]

once you play for a while there's certain combination that get used often enough to recognize the pattern

[worthy knoll]

No, she is there to slow down your burst

[cold steeple]

So basically since I've alr known the basic knowledge of pvp, the next step is to get to know varieties of teams and their counter teams?

[tropic summit]

yeah pvp is mostly rock-paper-scissor, it's more about using the right tool for the right scenario than anything

[worthy knoll]

Also trigger an S2 once Biscuit S2 procs on her, giving a slight boost and also attack boost with her S1 on your SAnis making your SAnis kill unprotected Emilia quickly

[tropic summit]

compared to the previous slower version, this one actually outspeeds instead for a wipe

[small hatch]

why is moran sitting in the middle? could I change the position of your atk comp and still win somehow?

[worthy knoll]

Coz Moran is more tanky and you want Biscuit S2 to proc on Crown more instead of Moran.. but yes you can change position of Moran and Crown at least

Moran P2 means more survivability, Crown P2 means more damage.. though since your opponent is a Noah Emi and not a blanc Emi, having more damage would be preferred. Since if you kill enemy Emi quick, enemy has no more threat

[tropic summit]

position is relevant for several factors

-targeting priority
-burst order
-splash damage

[cold steeple]

One more question, since I am still not an expert on burst gen, I would need to use the google sheet pinned. Usually I can come out with a 3RL team, but if I wanted to go for a 2RL/2.5RL nuke team, how do I know which character I need to swap out and swap in to increase my burst gen?

[tropic summit]

p1 will receive direct fire (all weapons)
p2 will receive splash damage (RLs)
p5 on attack will receive shotgun damage

taunts will override this (at times also reloading/cover can reset targeting)

[tropic summit]

in pinned you can find some info per nikke and their burst gen, as a general rule clip RL then clip SG then non clip RL and non clip SG are the fastest at generating burst

anything else is generally very slow to count at all, minus exceptions

[cold steeple]

Usually if I see a sg team like S.Anis, I can use Scarlet Jackal to counter right since Scarlet can somehwat reflect the sg bullet back to Anis

[tropic summit]

depends, if they're running a noah, beware of your burst speed, as you may lower anis but not kill her in time for example

they could also be running a rapunzel to revive or a blanc to indom s.anis for 10s

[cold steeple]

I see, so I just keep trying to swap out the lowest burst gen and swap in the highest burst gen?

[tropic summit]

again depends... it's based on enemy teams, it will take experience

[cold steeple]

In this case how do we counter it?

[tropic summit]

if you're unsure you can post here the matchup, someone could give you a few tips on what to do and you can gradually learn from experience

[cold steeple]

aight, Ill just post the team and my own build and ask for suggestions

[worthy knoll]

Just to add
During attack, if there is double attract taunter; All defending weapon types except SG will prioritize P1-P5 order while SGs will prioritize P5-P1 order..

While all non attract taunts (Noah and Noise Full charge taunts, Moran last bullet taunt, etc) have more priority than attract taunts

[cold steeple]

Thank you

[tropic summit]

yeah, put a bit of your own thinking and then see what you may have thought wrong or forgot to consider

rookie is a good place to start as there's low stakes there, sp arena you might want to be a bit more careful for the gem gains

[cold steeple]

yea, gonna practice more on rookie arena first

[tropic summit]

a good idea in sp arena is saving your tickets for when getting closer to daily server reset, so you can first try to catch up if any defense attempt failed and then spend them with less stakes if you fail (retain your current rank at least)

[cold steeple]

sp arena I cant compete with them as their cp is just much more than mine, just gonna stay low on Diamond 3

[swift mango]

It's still good for her to hit those p2 SBS hard.

[torn helm]

could anyone help me with some teams, being pushed out of top 30

[neat dove]

Can anyone help me defeat this comp?

[swift mango]

Good ol'e Emilia one shot?

Blanc+Emilia+RH(with Vigor)+Biscuit+Jackal.

You could even go Blanc+RH here. NP.

[neat dove]

Hmmm, their scarlet destroys Emilia, red hood before I can even burst

[keen vapor]

Try Noah/Biscuit/Emilia/Centi or Rumani/Rapunzel

Watch out for CP deficit

[neat dove]

Didn’t record the fight but I was close to beating them but still lost. Could be CP deficit at this point but I was able to beat their other defense team before

[umbral crown]

[coarse lake]

Too slow

Go make your team 2rl

[mild moat]

when i run this it's LLW. hoping for WLW since the second team is just kinda filler that sometimes cheeses a win. any thoughts on how to fix? have all chars*

[coarse lake]

Stop using sanis

Use someone that isn't a shotgun

Like bscar

[vapid lake]

t1 is in deficit ofc it loses

that don't look like 15% diff to me

t2 is also in deficit

[mild moat]

yeah :/ I don't have many ways to buff my chars atm they're all basically max skill level full ol with doll etc

their ol gear is lv 0 but i don't have any mats to improve them

[rich quail]

It’s probably time to start fortifying your OL gear, then

If what you say is true and your skill investments are good, there are factors that are keeping you from competing cp-wise

OL gear levels need to go up, OL lines are a huge factor, and doll levels are pretty important

[mild moat]

so just wait until the game grants me more mats for those. no way to farm doll exp, gear exp etc

[rich quail]

You can plan priorities while you wait

[mild moat]

yeah

[rich quail]

How are your main dps units? Who needs work?

When you get cp-gapped, which units are the ones you really need to use, but can’t because their cp levels are too low… or they die too easily?

[vapid lake]

this is the easiest solution for u

https://i.redd.it/n05a7d7whxfa1.png

[mild moat]

i am whale... as for my main dps, want me send screenshots or what specific info you looking for?

[brittle hill]

At the end of the day, it's just the ego for 400 more gems. They'll lose more than that trying to stay within the top ten

[rich quail]

Show us a few examples

Maybe a support character or defender as well

[vapid lake]

if you're a whale then the above guy is a leviathan

[rich quail]

Nah, bro barely has any core units

He invests better

[mild moat]

scarlet:

[rich quail]

Doll level?

Oh sorry

SR 15 got it

Yeah, if you had OL+5 gears across the board and worked your lines to get more Increase ATK and Elemental Damage lines, you’d be in much better shape

Your ammo is pretty good for Scarlet. She needs a lot. And Bastion Cube is best for her if your ammo amount is high

[mild moat]

gotcha, should i send sanis, rh, or a diff dps next? can also send a def/supp if you prefer

sitting on 70? rocks i think

some of my investment choices have been kek, like getting jackals skills to 8/8/8 xD not smart

[rich quail]

I gotta go soon but this is my advice

Build up your major DPS units to have all OL+5 gears, and try to optimize their lines. You can always ask for advice here, because each Nikke has some things you need to watch out for (i.e. S.Anis must avoid max ammo at all cost), and what lines fit their style.

After that, get all support/defense units to at least OL+0 gears. If they are already there, great. But eventually you will need to upgrade those gears to OL+5 to build cp and tankiness. Then you optimize lines for them as well.

Jackal at 8/8/8?

Some would say it’s not a bad choice at all

I would do it for myself if I could spare the mats… but that is lower priority for now. I wouldn’t reset Jackal stats, though. I think it’s fine

But yeah, check with some of the experts here and decide for yourself if you want the recommended optimum, or if you want more than that, but without severe diminishing returns

Anyways, good luck

I must go

My planet needs me

https://tenor.com/view/captain-planet-planet-captain-planet-and-the-planeteers-you-gif-13264293

[quasi prism]

@terse abyss

chinese letter fellow got ya

he used both attacks to get up there

[keen vapor]

PVP cooperation

I wish I could train Quby

[long chasm]

His def team only anis sr b2 so she will burst

[long chasm]

Who know haha

[umbral crown]

there are many options for B2 and the boi chosing to burst with Anis

[long chasm]

Can you share best win rate team deff?

[umbral crown]

i do not have a record for the best win rate

[long chasm]

Many deff i copy from here always lose in one attack by him

[umbral crown]

for that you need to check keripo s matrix at pins

you need to get a defense suggested according your box and investment

not everyone has the same investment

and what works for me might not for you, this is how it is

[long chasm]

Many all my pvp nikke is full ol with lv 0

And cheap invest all lv5

Skill

But some dps is 10 10 10

Because story mode and solo raid use

And some super support like crown liter and other also 10 max

[keen vapor]

I can't do stall comp?

[long chasm]

Even my centi jackal biscuit rumani noise rapun stuck at 7 7 7 skill 😂

Lv 0 full OL

But rosana is diff she is lv 5 and 10 ol

[fathom rock]

Do I win here

Or am I losing to feed

[umbral crown]

you can not even level up

[keen vapor]

[umbral crown]

you can not assume everyone uses quatum

[fathom rock]

Well they 3.4 without quantum
3.2 if Lv7 on jackal

[keen vapor]

You don't want to use SG against Scar jack team

[keen vapor]

Does his Rosanna one shots you?

[fathom rock]

id assume so

[keen vapor]

[coarse lake]

you lose even if you block

you can't deal with indom scar with that setup

[keen vapor]

Yeah...

Noah SBS can get to 2RL?

[keen vapor]

Or this? Maybe with Emi nuke instead?

[fathom rock]

I'm cp penalty gated

[keen vapor]

Why CP so low

[fathom rock]

Give fodder

[keen vapor]

YOU DIDN'T FULLY OVERLOADED UNITS

[coarse lake]

you need biscuit there

unless running enough sustain

2.5rl might be ok

2rl is safest since you also probably block rosa

[fathom rock]

Least cursed comp I came up with to win

Using jackal to beat rossana comp

[cosmic robin]

recommend pvp arena team pls

[fathom rock]

Send units

[cosmic robin]

this one pls, im always defeated even tho cp is high...

[fathom rock]

Cp ain't everything, lemme have a look, laplace have fav item?

[cosmic robin]

yes

[fathom rock]

Where biscuit
Scarlet/blanc/centi/anis/jackal, give jackal quantum
Noah/rumani/cinderella/laplace/some cp pad unit
Cp pad team

[vapid lake]

Echo lost his job

[cosmic robin]

thank you soo much, ill try jackal team first!

[fathom rock]

This is for Sp arena
For normal arena just use this scarlet team

And remember that's for defense

[cosmic robin]

okayyy!! thank you o7

[bleak latch]

Noah/Biscuit/Emilia/Rosana/Jacals

if power were not much gap emilia has the lowest HP of them all and receive more damage from rosana so she will likely dies before enemy enter B2

[fathom rock]

2 buffer boda failed

[keen vapor]

And Nitro as well

[vapid lake]

Retro's taking over u GG

[keen vapor]

Better than Blood

[strong hull]

[swift mango]

Check your CP too.

The Scarlet team he gave you likely will just be normal attacked in high rank by looking at your roster. So upgrade them up.

Same to no built Noah P1, she will just be normal attacked then die and Cindy won't burst.

Basically, upgrade your units if you want to win by copying teams.

[swift mango]

Their team is 2.5 RL but your is 3RL, you lose by being too slow.

[swift mango]

Emilia+Noah+RH+Centi+Jackal

Or

Noah+Centi+Emilia+RH+Jackal.

Or

Noah+Centi+RH+Emilia+Jackal.

These are all 2RL teams. 2RL Emilia normally would be catched by 3RL Noah. But since their team is 2.5 RL they won't be able to catch you.

[swift mango]

Emilia unbuffed doesn't have enough damage to solo their team. You might want to upgrade your Emilia to have 2 charge speed line totally 8% after this.

This could bring your team to 2.5 RL Easily and doesn't need to add more clip RL just to make it 2RL.

[neat dove]

Thanks for these guides! Really helpful
I used the first team you suggested and worked wonderfully

[graceful grotto]

Why crown? Wouldn't Blanc be better in that scenario?

[fathom rock]

The things cp do to my options

Also they bursted after me anyway so lost cause even with indom

[hexed zephyr]

@swift mango @keen vapor btw thanks again for the help like week ago. I got my teams a bit stronger and actually got challenger 10 today in my server first time ever

(Even maybe if it’s for just a little bit it was surprising to get there as basically f2p vs dolphins and whales prob)

[swift mango]

Gratz.

Buy all extra retries for core dust boxes from H11 stage from events, don't miss them and clear out all Normal+Hard stages before you open your boxes.

You are in for a catch up on level. Arena requires some campaign progression and CP to compete.

[hexed zephyr]

Na I’m close to max on campaign imo. And I’ve used core more recently to get this far lol

[quick lake]

Damn! Tough bracket

[swift mango]

Do you have a good campaign team? This is pretty important to not be falling behind further in level.

[hexed zephyr]

Ya I used to chill for d5 or so for most of my play. I guess I got in a tryhard group or something since it was during crown banner release date iirc

[swift mango]

Is your Alice built? 10-x-10 and around 9% charge speed? 2+ line ammo? If she is then you should be able to move up more in campaign.

Try to manual Alice to fill burst gauge. Manual Alice during burst especially against boss to burst them down quickly.

[hexed zephyr]

Ya she’s built proper. I manual tap for her all the time. Like I said I’m near when I can push to. Like I can do a couple more battles but not too much farther

I’m building asuka and cinder too rn so maybe asuka will help with fire weak

[quick lake]

Do u have RH invested? Can try running RH B1

[hexed zephyr]

I got no rh

[quick lake]

[swift mango]

Well, you should be able to get to ch32 boss with this team. Not beating it though.

Try to mald at your H campaign a bit too if you could. Should be fine up to Ch15-16 Hard.

[hexed zephyr]

At least asuka and cinder are mlb so that’s something at least xD

[hexed zephyr]

14-4 for hard rn

And I got mod but only 1 gear I can ol for her

[swift mango]

Hmm are you buying event tries for H11? How many events did you not to buy them out? Did you on hiatus from the game for sometime?

[hexed zephyr]

With gems? I never do that

[swift mango]

That explains. You should buy them all every events if you don't wish to fall behind.

Unload them all on H11 stages for core dust.

You lose 2+ level every event not doing that. That stacked and amplified slower campaign progression toom

[hexed zephyr]

Eh I would rather keep gems. I only bought crown skin but other than that I’m f2p. Even when I dolphin or whale on other games I tend to save gems for just summon. No refresh

Not to mention for my group/server even with what I’ve been doing. I’m rank 3 in hard mode, 3 in tribe tower and 4th in pilgrim tower.

I’m assuming because many other players they aren’t pushing as much as they can

[swift mango]

The hard core dust box > campaign progression at your progression.

20-30 level more outpost would only give you 1-2 level more after a year.

F2P in this game needs to buy tries if they want to compete.

It's whale who could buy core dust outright with Cash, the ones who could miss those.

Even then, it's still cheaper than buying them with cash for whale.

[copper creek]

badabababaaaa

[worthy knoll]

Iirc you are just exchanging 100 gems for every 5 entry, means 20 hours of core dusts for just 100 gems. I think its a better deal than using 50 gems for 2 hours of core dusts. 🤔

[copper creek]

just buy all the event currency after hard mode release -> use them all on event-11 hard mode

its not debatable, no matter how u do the math, no matter how u calculate, that is the ideal thing to do

yes, even over pulls

[hexed zephyr]

So 900 gems each event? I expected that to be many less pulls overtime so that’s why I haven’t done that for these 6 months or so. I get it’s a great help in lvs but it’s not a great neg in gems overtime?

I’m just not used to it and I’ve played many gacha games so I didn’t consider it being that beneficial in Nikke

[copper creek]

for this game just do it

u can either choose to spend 900gem/2week event

or u lose a lot more gem over time when you lose gem income from being underlevelled in pvp

[swift mango]

You missed out around 20-30 level in that 6 months. Enough to make others F2P in your bracket look like a dolphin to you.

[swift mango]

Well he has an option of just chilling in the top 60 now since he is already under leveled.

@hexed zephyr

[copper creek]

i guess u can do that also

but i also wonder why u would play a game everyday (even if its not a lot of time spent per day)

just to be on par with a handicapped returnee

to me personally not something i would consider worth my time, but ymmv

[hexed zephyr]

I was basically always top 50 before. Now I’m pretty much top 20 always and rarely even 10th I guess. For PvP at least.

Also I for a while didn’t push campaign or anything till kinda recently. I was logging in most days yes but only playing like 10 min the gone. So that prob is the reason my resources are less than other daily players is my guess

[swift mango]

Haha some people detest arena but had to play it for top 60 at least to get some gem to collect more butts.

[hexed zephyr]

I don’t hate arena but I don’t love it either 🤷‍♂️

[swift mango]

Nah, the reason you falling behind in level is just core dust and core dust alone. That's -2 every 2 weeks for you not buying tries and only getting worse overtime.

[swift mango]

You could consult @keen vapor on compete in Arena at brick level. He should have the most experience around here.

[sturdy lichen]

Hello, I'm asking for some team building advice. It seems that something is off on my team but not quite sure. I'm always on Diamond rank 1 and I'm ok with it. But sometimes I can't seem to progress further.

I think maybe my teams aren't doing well.

I own all units except Nier collab/Chainsaw collab, Rapunzel, and Snow Mica

Any suggestions would help.

Thanks.

[swift mango]

First to confirm. How is your synch level compared to c7-10?

[sturdy lichen]

My synchro level? I'm not sure i quite understand the question.

[swift mango]

If C7-10 are 353+ or something then it would be hard.

[viral spoke]

basically the sync level gap against the ones you're up with

[sturdy lichen]

Ahhhh! Ok i see! Sorry!

[viral spoke]

assuming they are only high level but bad CP, you can win.

[sturdy lichen]

340s, highest was 350

349 or 347 or 351

[viral spoke]

do not be fooled with their synchro level, picking against low sync level will mean nothing if you lost by CP gap

especially since everyone can trade battle data to cores, everyone is skipping levels nowadays

[sturdy lichen]

I assume they got good ol stats or nice cubes or sr dolls

[swift mango]

Team 1 you don't use xAnne and Blanc together. Jackal wants p5. You could move centi to p4 and switch with xAnne for 2RL or move RH to p3 for 3rl team Blanc. XAnne can replace Blanc as well.

[sturdy lichen]

Oh! Nice!

I got it!

How about team 2? It just feels off for some reason, and is team 3 ok? It bursts a little slower than others

I thought of adding Rumani but sadly she isn't built well yet

[spiral onyx]

Keripo's Initial PvP Analysis of Cinderella

tl;dr: Cindy is an S-tier B3 AoE nuker who only needs 1 buffer to AoE nuke, 0 buffers at lower synchro levels. Expect to see her frequently in SP Arena and 100% in Champion Arena

Happy Thanksgiving all! Been pretty busy with work and other games but here's a very overdue PvP review of Cinderella.

Cinderella (aka Cindy) is the star of the 2nd Anniversary event (sorry Rapi!). Ironically she was originally intended to be just mid but due to a bug in her mechanics (the same charge speed bug that Harran had at launch), her damage output was drastically buffed. Due to being such a high profile unit and the general stigma against nerfing units after release, ShiftUp was forced to buff her to make up for the bugfix, resulting in an extremely overpowered DPS unit with a crazy high burst multiplier.

Cindy's B3 burst operates in the same way as SSakura, hitting 10 times divided among the enemy units, usually resulting in 2 hits per target in a slightly delayed manner. The multiplier on the hit though is drastically different; compared to SSakura's 457.14% per hit (resulting in 914.28% per target), Cindy hits for 1365.92% per hit (resulting in 2731.84% per target). So just from the raw multiplier, you can tell that her AoE nuke is drastically higher than that of any other AoE nuke unit we've had before (much thanks to the buff from her bugfix). Being multi-hit also means she can mostly get around Bay's shield as the first hit should break it, then the remaining 9 hits go through as expected. One downside of her burst that its not instantaneous due to the multi-hit mechanism, which would mean Cindy would lose out in a sudden-death matchup when both sides are 3RL teams. Due to her lower need for buffs, however, her team comp has much more flexibility so you can potentially build faster teams for her.

Cindy's S1 skill is also a very important part of her kit. Cindy is actually a Defender, not an Attacker, meaning she has higher HP and defence values and lower attack values. Her lower attack value, however, is drastically offset by her S1 buff which increases her ATK value by 2.71% of her final max HP value, very similar to 2B. There's a couple important implications about this. First, while not as high a conversion value as 2B, the buff only gets applies at time of burst, so it cannot be countered by Rosanna's buff removal ability that happens earlier in the fight (something that prevents 2B from being usable on defence). The second thing is, like with 2B, it is calculated based on final max HP, meaning max HP buffers like Noise and Mast can also be used for bumping up Cindy's damage. While this might not seem to be necessary given the high multiplier, don't forget that with the damage reduction that comes from Dolls and Tempering cubes and with the average player synchro level going higher and higher, more damage is now required to guarantee that 1-shot kill, so its still safer to run Cindy with 1 buffer if you can (ideally Noise as she also helps counter the enemy team should they burst first).
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GbnyguuboAALmOp?format=jpg&name=large

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Cindy's S2 skill also adds in some extra interesting points. The skill deploys a decoy (similar to non-Eva Rei). This decoy can screw up targetting logic (and unfortunately result in some target skipping shenanigans) so its best not to put Cindy in P1 to avoid getting target skipped (or worse, residual targetting) or P2 even to avoid giving your opponent extra burst gen. This decoy does, however, count as a hittable target, so it does keep her safe from the first hit of multi-hit nukes like from SSakura and Maiden.

Another extra note about Cindy is that even though she is a Rocket Launcher, her normal attacks do not act like regular rockets. Similar to Scalter, they only hit 1 target and sometimes dont even hit the cover. The result is Cindy has extremely low burst gen, effectively the same as MGs. Luckily she does not Jackal feed like MGs so you won't have to worry about being easily countered by a Scarlet-Jackal team (thinking of Eva Rei) but it does mean that you will need to make up for it by padding your team with lots of burst gen batteries (luckily Rumani just got introduced recently to help with that!).

On the countering side, most of the standard AoE nuke counters apply to Cindy. Noah blocks her. Blanc invuln can save one unit from being nuked by her. Biscuit invuln applies as normal and, if paired with Jackal, can also help drastically mitigate the overall output. This means that, like with most other AoE nuke units, she can be stopped. What sets her apart from the other AoE nuke units however is her lack of specialized counters aside from the generic ones just mentioned (which applies to almost all attackers) and the fact that she only needs 1 buffer (or sometimes even 0 buffers) to be able to AoE nuke the enemy team, which gives her much more team building flexibility. This puts her way up on the tier list compared to other DPSs... except for the fact that she is still a one-trick pony. Unlike Scarlet, SAnis and Ein, all of which can continue dealing significant damage throughout the Full Burst period, Cindy doesn't do much beyond her AoE nuke. So while Cindy is undoubtedly very string, Scarlet and SAnis are still the two top dawgs in arena (alongside arguably Emilia, but Emilia can be very easily countered on defence due to her slow timing).

>> Keripo's PvP tier list rating: S <<
https://tinyurl.com/nikke-pvp-tierlist

Permalink:
https://www.reddit.com/r/NikkeMobile/comments/1h38tej/keripos_initial_pvp_analysis_of_cinderella/

[swift mango]

Team 2 is a stall team but RH kind out of tune here since she can't be B1. You could use SBS, it's more fitting.

T3, you can't burst with Noah like this. Move Moran to p5 and Noah P1. Biscuit only buff S.Anis and you didn't even burst with S.Anis here. You could built Moran+Biscuit+S.Anis team here and move Noah to T2 though.

[sturdy lichen]

Ooooooh! It's Keripo! I love your guides so much!!

I truly appreciate everything from your guides!

[spiral onyx]

It ended up being a long double post... working on the Grave one right now

[sturdy lichen]

I'm a huge fan of yours and I'm so happy you replied, it's like a celebrity moment

[spiral onyx]

lol, thank you

[sturdy lichen]

Ok ill use SBS

Is bursting with s annis better than Ein?

[swift mango]

Check for burst speed with burst Regen calculator you could find in pin post of Keripo as you rebuild your team.

[sturdy lichen]

I have that burst calculate saved so I'll do that after the teams are rearranged

[swift mango]

Well it's defended on the case.

Mostly S.Anis being better but you need her 8-x-9 and equip with resilience cube lv7 at least.

[sturdy lichen]

S annis is at 777 with level 8 resilience

[swift mango]

Just keep bursting with Ein then.

[sturdy lichen]

I would assume s annis is buffing all electrics

Which was sort of my idea for that team 3

[swift mango]

Nah won't buff the nuke dmg of other Electric (Cindy, Scarlet), only buff Ein's. She does buff any dmg after the nuke those.

[sturdy lichen]

Hmmmmm!! I see ok!

[swift mango]

Anyway, since you are Keripo's fan, you should try reading all his guide so you won't build those 3 out of synch teams... Again

[sturdy lichen]

I know but it always seems that I keep missing something

I'm not trying to build a perfect team but something does seem off and I'm not sure what it is

And it's nice to get opinions from others

Which is important because the opinions of others means you might of missed something

They can see something you missed

[dusky patrol]

askin for help to form an okay sp def teams, its not fun dropping to d2 all the time. heres all the units i have, thanks in advance

[swift mango]

You have Rapunzel?

[sturdy lichen]

Sadly she's the one pilgrim that's evaded me

5,009 pulls and I haven't got her yet

[swift mango]

T2 without RH noise could just die and can't burst. So you need to consider that also.

Idk you box so I could only do this much. Read Keripo guide and spend some time rebuild. Have fun.

[sturdy lichen]

Thank you mister blood, I appreciate your suggestions

[spiral onyx]

Keripo's Initial PvP Analysis of Grave

tl;dr: Grave is a decent B-tier B2 buffer, nice for PvE but doesn't offer much PvP value compared to other B2 buffers with more utility. You might see her in Champion Arena but likely not in SP Arena.

Happy Thanksgiving all! Been pretty busy with work and other games but here's a very overdue PvP review of Grave.

Grave (aka muscle mommy who isn't Pinne) is the supporting actor of the 2nd Anniversary event (sorry Doro fans, Pinne aint coming back). Despite her badass looking aura, she's actually primarily a support unit as a B2 AR, and ironically isn't even a strong support for Cinderella.

Grave's S1 is a PvE-only skill that effectively triggers after the end of her burst buff. In PvP scenarios, the outcome of fights are usually already determined at the time of burst, so the skill isn't very relevant here. Grave's S2 is a nice self-buff but the ramp up time is too long for short battles that are PvP, so again, not really relevant in PvP.

This leaves us with Grave's B2 Burst, which applies a wild 48.2% Attack Damage buff to the entire team along with 39.98% Pierce damage buff, and some nice extra self buffs as well. This damage buff is one of the strongest ones currently available, stronger than Crown's 36.24% Attack Damage and Mari's 40.99%. Its conditionally better than the ATK buffers (RH and XAnne and others) as ATK buffs are usually easier to get and Attack Damage is a separate multiplier. If paired with pierce units (e.g. Alice or Red Hood), the damage goes through the roof (but the current PvP meta doesn't really have you running either so this is mainly for PvE).

Despite being a top tier B2 buffer, that is mostly all that Grave brings to the table. In PvP, the B2 slot is heavily contested with many strong supports that offer additional utility beyond just being a buffer (XAnne offering heals and rez, Blanc offering invuln, Biscuit offering invuln, Mari adding in a mini-nuke), whereas Grave is just a buffer and not much more. Grave's self damage during burst isn't too shabby with her self buffs, but its single target damage and not enough usually to decide a fight. Due to the plethora of other overall-better B2 support options, Grave gets shafted hard and relegated to be nothing more than a backup B2 buffer in Champion Arena if you somehow have no other options.

>> Keripo's PvP tier list rating: C <<
https://tinyurl.com/nikke-pvp-tierlist

Permalink:
https://www.reddit.com/r/NikkeMobile/comments/1h3941a/keripos_initial_pvp_analysis_of_grave/

@grizzled bone you can update the pin with Cindy and Grave's analysis above

[tropic summit]

the laplace wipe tho, lasered to death

[tropic summit]

wow, 🔥

[fathom rock]

Please edit "Crow's" Immediately

[spiral onyx]

Who?

[fathom rock]

You wrote Crow's instead of Crown's

[spiral onyx]

oh lmao

[tropic summit]

damage doko

[spiral onyx]

So I realized I had previously ranked Crown as C, not B. So downgrading Grave to C

Gotta be harsher with my ratings and hold the line

Tier list updated with Cindy (S) and Grave (C)

I might need to readjust some ratings as we get closer to Champion Arena but for now I'll keep them as is

[fathom rock]

||Champ arena this champ arena that
Gamemode isn't even out and yall just guessing how it works||

[spiral onyx]

||We already know how it works through methods which cannot be discussed here||

[swift mango]

Eh it should be datamine I guess, but they should change it before the next "schedule implementation" or they wouldn't even delay it

[swift mango]

How sure are you that they will release it the same as you know it now? For reference sake.

[spiral onyx]

There isnt any guarantee, but doesn't mean you can't prepare ahead of time based on what you know

[vapid lake]

Surely there's no way they'd spend 2 whole years on the same game mode and not change anything during that whole time

[swift mango]

Maybe they need to figure out how to change their cash shop before implementing the game mode, not the game mode itself.

[tropic summit]

CA is just copium, SU sleeping comfy on their RAID based NIKKE banners, ez money and ppl keep biting (oh and skins)

[quick lake]

As long CA has a shiny frame, its gonna be new end-game mode

[mossy frigate]

what slvl should rumami be?

[quick lake]

444 mostly for cp padding

[small hatch]

Why is Tia missing in your Tier list? Is she that bad to be not included?

[spiral onyx]

Yes

PvP is often about who bursts first

Any re-enter burst unit goes against that goal

Unless you're fighting an Emilia comp where you want to purposefully delay your burst, but that's a very niche scenario

[small hatch]

her b1 reset is kinda iffy, I agree. Guess I should just forget about her and max out my Noise

[tropic summit]

you can use her as a non clip RL in burst order where she does not trigger, although there are just far better choices unless your CP limited

[mossy frigate]

do i not use her for anything else?

[tropic summit]

in a sense she could work as a p4 and p5, but consider other options if possible

[small hatch]

Emilia comps give me the most trouble exactly because of her awkward burst timing. Sometimes it's impossible to outspeed her if they have jackal and I don't have Rosanna. The only way I can kill emilia def is by going slow, so it's not that niche imo

[spiral onyx]

Her awkward timing is what makes her easy to counter imo. You know that you aren't in a rush for speed, which gives you a lot more flexibility in team comp building

When you don't have to pad your team with burst gen batteries, you have a lot more options available

[mossy frigate]

think its possible to clap this guy?

i need to change my atk team lol

[quick lake]

Rumani mostly just there as a battery

[tropic summit]

team 1 weak to scarlet, team 2 to noah, team 3 to fast burst or noah + emilia

[mossy frigate]

should that be 2b?

[vapid lake]

Idk chief the cp gap looks too big

[tropic summit]

you're quite right

[mossy frigate]

doesnt hurt to try wanna try hit chall after slacking for about a year

[tropic summit]

as penguin said, CP here is a variable, make sure you're below 15,4% CP deficit or your stats are gonna get killed

[small hatch]

I guess I'm still too stupid to craft a slow Noah based attack team to perfectly counter her team wipe. She usually hits my units and destroys me after my Noah's buff wears off. It's annoying to come up with a team that has the right amount of burst gen so your invul aligns with their speed.

[tropic summit]

it just needs to be 1RL less

use burst generator to help you build that

[mossy frigate]

alternatively i could snipe out this guy

[tropic summit]

here an example

[mossy frigate]

alright this is no.15

[crystal surge]

Damn

[mossy frigate]

relatively new to pvp how do i read this

[crystal surge]

Suggestion?

[mossy frigate]

team gen rating is what i counter with?

[small hatch]

the burst gen calculator tool?
I don't like to rely on sweaty third party software, if possible. Thank you for your suggestions and advice.

[tropic summit]

team 1 is rather original, high chance indom goes to rapu as she's in p2 while SBS in p3, would work in your favour for aoe nuke
team 2 is a slow noah, if you could 2.5RL or 3RL wipe (cindy/scarlet)
team 3 is typical scar-jackal with xanne buffing and rosanna for extra damage on highatk%, i'd skip this one

[tropic summit]

it's not sweaty, it does work you could do in your own mind too, it literally only speeds up the process of manually looking up each nikke burst gen tier

e.g. is like taking a car over walking

[mossy frigate]

so how do i structure my teams then?

[tropic summit]

i've little experience against rosanna, so i'd go for team 1 and team 2

based on that

team 1: noah noise biscuit s.anis centi/emilia - invulnerb. from biscuit will make SBS hit for almost nothing due to how distrb. damage works
team 2: scarlet blanc redhood centi/emilia jackal - as long as you kill their noise in p1, they cannot burst anymore, it's unlikely as 4RL that she'll live that long against this early burst and dps, you'll also get feed from naga as SG

reminder: beware of CP difference

[mossy frigate]

so something like this?

[tropic summit]

aye looking good

your team 3 also has a chance to win depending on whether cindy survives

[mossy frigate]

here goes nothing

[tropic summit]

inb4 you beat all 3

[mossy frigate]

bro got absolutely clapped

[tropic summit]

yeah cindy tanky af

remarkable on team 3, good job

[mossy frigate]

now based off of these cps do you think i can break into chall?

[tropic summit]

hmmmm, try making your 2 best teams in team 1 and team 2 and let's see what CP you get

i'd stick with team 1 and team 2 as examples

then match them against opponent

[spiral onyx]

This is what I meant by Cindy allowing for maximal team flexibility

The fact that she has such minimal team building requirements makes her very strong in SP Arena

[tropic summit]

yeah, but the perk of also having rumani and emilia with all other batteries, i'm unfortunately bricked due to having missed emilia, at least in part

[mossy frigate]

wdym by best teams?

lol would it be easier if i send my box?

[tropic summit]

nah just show us your current 3 teams against their 3 and let's see which one you can compete against CP wise

then we can work around the actual formation

[mossy frigate]

c9

[tropic summit]

jesus christ the CP hurts here

[mossy frigate]

probably the easier one with the lowest cp between 8, 9, 10

[mossy frigate]

just a little

[tropic summit]

16% CP against team 1, 19% CP against team 2, 28% CP against team 3

they're all 3 CP padded

real yolo here trying to fight the lad

[mossy frigate]

i can probably do a little juicing myself

[tropic summit]

in terms of weakness, team 3 is the weakest and quite exposed to scarlet - jackal (but it's the most CP padded)

team 2 is sustain oriented, as CP padded it would suck to deal with them
team 1 could be noah + emilia bursted

i'd say try stacking a CP padded scarlet + jackal team on team 3 and your strongest noah + emilia + redhood on team 1

for team 1 you need at least 621k CP
for team 3 you'd need 652k CP

[mossy frigate]

wdym by CP pad? just use my highest cp units?

[tropic summit]

ideally keep them 3RL, but ye you need to hit the thresholds above ^

[mossy frigate]

like this? this looks so whack lmao

[tropic summit]

scarlet needs a buffer (blanc and RH would be ideal)
noah + emilia might need a B1 buffer depending on how well built your emilia is

[mossy frigate]

rh in team 1 tho?

[tropic summit]

yeah... it would ensure you wipe

i'm a bit concerned of non buffed scarlet, but high chance rosanna blanc and drake suicide on scarlet pre-burst

[mossy frigate]

cooking?

[tropic summit]

you'll burst too slow with this one and risk rosanna killing SBS or scarlet

although, 3 ppl will feed jackal... maybe you become 3.5RL or even 3RL

who's the lowest HP out of scarlet SBS and cindy?

i'd expect SBS or scarlet

[mossy frigate]

yah scar

drunklet

[tropic summit]

then scar would get indom at possibly 3RL-3.5RL

ah you meant SBS uhmmmmm

[mossy frigate]

no no

sbs has higher hp than scar

[tropic summit]

ah awesome

[mossy frigate]

not by much

[coral haven]

Is Blood scarlet still viable on the meta?

[tropic summit]

SBS is viable as long as you're not against Sakura or a defender class taunter + biscuit