pvp-arena

[copper creek]

in a team, positioning denoted by:
p1/p2/p3/p4/p5

dont put cindy in p1 = dont put her in leftmost

[river moat]

where she go then?

[copper creek]

anywhere else

[swift mango]

Putting Cindy to p1 will make enemies RL hit p2. And Regen 1.75 times more their normal Regen.

[river moat]

??????

[tropic summit]

@river moat you're familiar with the term RL?

[river moat]

nope

[tropic summit]

because these guys are assuming a lot out of you

[copper creek]

ok simple answer

[river moat]

i know nothing. not a thing. sorry

[swift mango]

Rockect Launcher

[copper creek]

just dont put her in p1 that's all

that's simple answer

[tropic summit]

should really consider giving tips instead of serving things on a silver platter

[umbral crown]

[river moat]

yeah ill read more guides and stuff. i promise

[tropic summit]

1. get informed on the basics of pvp
2. form your own ideas based on that knowledge
3. ask questions afterward, else it's pointless

[copper creek]

dw about it tbh

its a game, just enjoy it

anyway pvp has pretty steep learning curve but only initially

[river moat]

for now i just switch cindy into p2

[copper creek]

once it clicks it clicks

[tropic summit]

dunno im still learning things 6 months in

[copper creek]

just cook for other ppl and u will learn fast

anyway theres a lot of generally pretty observable trends that u catch on to with time

[swift mango]

Just test your teams in rookie 5 a day like me.

[copper creek]

^

u see anything funny in rookie, go try funny things against it

[swift mango]

I wish my rookie had more funny things.

[copper creek]

we found a lot of funny things that way lmao

[swift mango]

Most of them just go auto team

[copper creek]

find people in your bracket

i have a friend in my bracket

so we can run funny things against each other

[swift mango]

There are like 4 guys who actually build their team

[copper creek]

yeah sounds about right, find people

[swift mango]

I wish their merge bracket sooner.

[copper creek]

u can search their uid in #commander-ids

[umbral crown]

[river moat]

does it matter where you place your burst 1 2 3s

[copper creek]

yes

[swift mango]

So I could feed more people wins in rookie...

[copper creek]

just enjoy

my favourite thing to do in rookie def is to run troll teams

but it keeps winning anyway

i put a troll def to give people free wins/points and they still lose, so no comment

[swift mango]

Whale

[river moat]

i seen ppl place their burst 1 in p5 and burst 3 in p1 and stuff is that a strat

[umbral crown]

si

[copper creek]

for those who were here during the cursed privaty comp days

like yeah its definitely beatable, that's if you see it and you know what the fk to do against it 😂

[river moat]

any opinoin ? this is my rookie

[copper creek]

what's the total cp of your 5 highest nikkes

ah f it i keep saying i wont build teams here

whats ur current def

[tropic summit]

which comp was it

[copper creek]

let me check if it was revealed here

[river moat]

86478 but thats not the rookie team

[copper creek]

yeah i know, im honestly just wondering if it makes sense for u to just run ur 5 highest cp nikkes (due to cp penalty)

[strange linden]

using this currently

[copper creek]

hang on

i made that

[umbral crown]

[strange linden]

yes, that was a while ago lol

[tropic summit]

liar

[swift mango]

Rookie team can often be built with taking your 3 highest CP units then add Anis and Jackal.

[river moat]

oh

[copper creek]

ok lets try a horrible idea

[copper creek]

not rly, its true i havent made anything here for months

[tropic summit]

so today is finally the day

[copper creek]

unless its somebody that i know is actually for sure not a idiot/troublemaker

[strange linden]

I'm losing to people on diamond , seems like they've found a breach

[copper creek]

yeah because rosanna now is

not great now that people have SR dolls

due to damage reduction

[strange linden]

can I ask your reasoning on the third team, grave and maxwell are kinda surprising

[tropic summit]

damage oriented and variation, you can fit that team differently

e.g. blanc could go in T3 for extra dmg but also indom scarlet

[copper creek]

remind me again - is your emilia an emilia21?

[strange linden]

damn, if I max her doll would it compensate it?

[tropic summit]

although that means your SBS won't have blanc

[copper creek]

no nothing you can do to make rosanna useful at your sync

[strange linden]

yeah it is

[tropic summit]

emilia with 21% is gonna eventually be my nightmare

[strange linden]

damn, that's a big shame
I invest on her so much

[swift mango]

Then just 17% your jackal

[tropic summit]

wow is that true

[strange linden]

just to be sure, it's 21% with the skill included right?

[tropic summit]

17% even easier than 21%

[swift mango]

Emilia 21% is actually only 8% or 2 CS line. Jackal 17% need 4 CS line

[tropic summit]

oh so that's why

i'm middleway, got 8% atm

although maybe with quantum lvl7 i'll hit it 🤔

no, it still needs CS afterall

[swift mango]

Functionally different

[strange linden]

is that a big buff like emilia21?

[tropic summit]

hit next RL threshold if anything

although emilia doubles down as a off dps

[copper creek]

**sp - def : **
scarlet/blanc/rh/centi/jackal
rumani/anis/cinderella/emilia21/noir
noah/noise/s.anis/biscuit/rapunzel

**min. invest : **
if i didn't say anything about a specific nikke, use your pve setup for that nikke.

emilia21
s.anis - 7/7/9 (mandatory) // 10/10/9 (ideal)

resilience cube is mandatory on s.anis.
quantum cube is mandatory on centi, jackal, rumani, anis (if you're using them).

vigor cube is optimal on noise, biscuit, rapunzel.
tempering (or vigor) cube is optimal on noah, blanc.

i do not advise running def teams on attack side :
atk teams depend on enemy def - refer to pinned messages for counters, mechanic info, and other resources.
alternatively, if really necessary, send screenshots of your opponents' three def teams.
ensure that the round1/2/3 buttons are visible so we know team order.

[copper creek]

correct

wait

ok, pos changed

forgot its not pepper on p2

i dont think your laplace is +

[strange linden]

not yet, I'm building her currently

[swift mango]

Emilia 21 isn't exactly needed for 2RL team though.

[copper creek]

i had another idea when i asked that question

it wasnt going to work, his cp will drop to the floor

eh its fine i get to keep 1 more secret then

[tropic summit]

what happens here if RH has more hp than Scarlet with damage share?

indom still goes to scarlet?

[copper creek]

even better, indom goes to the guy with lowest hp at cast time

[swift mango]

Can't really happen unless your rh super shit

[copper creek]

regardless of max hp

[tropic summit]

oh oke

[copper creek]

spend enough time cooking and you see some really funny sht...

[swift mango]

Since scarlet reduce her own HP rh needs quite a bit weaker than that. And you can just equip RH with Vigor

So very hard to happen

[copper creek]

there were at least 3 jokers who kept their rh to 4/4/4 and would not listen when people ask them to invest it

[tropic summit]

that's amazing in reverse

[copper creek]

again, dont ask

theres a lot of "idk wtf is this sht"

but your account your choice

we did a lot of funny things with our own accounts too to test things

that in hindsight was freaking ridiculous

but i wont give/take sht for it because how do you guys think we figured out a meta lol

zixk testing milk was super funny, amongst other things

[strange linden]

I was worried a bit about cp on the second team with rumani+anis but cindy and emilia just compensate it lol

[copper creek]

yeah thats why i dared to do that

i had other ideas originally

[strange linden]

end up being the highest cp of the three lol

[copper creek]

yea kinda expected that

your images not loading for me but let me take a guess

scarlet team should be approx 800k
cindy team you should maybe hit 820-840k
sanus team weakest at approx 775k

[strange linden]

damn you're a genius

[copper creek]

do this long enough...

[tropic summit]

yeah sure glad you're not in munch's pvp bracket

that's assured

[strange linden]

I can definitely some of the units like Noise, I'll try doing 7/7/7 and with a bit more stats on her OL

[copper creek]

yeah and ppl fight us when we ask to sort by power only lmao

this is kind of why, we can sorta tell what ur invest is

[tropic summit]

the awkward moment when the player probably knows more than the dev

[copper creek]

like we're not asking for fun or to be difficult lmao

[swift mango]

Are you the the guy who wrote that post on reddit about arena first day. That treat Privaty and Noise as pokemon?

Just wondering

[copper creek]

no, i joined the game much later than most people here (tove event) and i think nikke redditors are nonces

so for sure its not me lol

[swift mango]

Oh well

[strange linden]

I don't know if it looks like I'm not grateful but I actually am
I don't know why you and zixk have give up advising people here but at the very least you guys really help me out for creating these teams, couldn't stay long on the top 10 otherwise

[copper creek]

nah dw about it, all good

i think the reason why zixk stopped is... well been discussed enough

[umbral crown]

[copper creek]

the only reason i ever did it was so zixk wouldnt have to solo 15 servers 🤣

so if hes not helping anymore yeah no point for me either

u can still catch me on commcord or some other places though

[tropic summit]

is that another discord server? 🤔

[copper creek]

yes, i will mostly help in commcord or rps

[tropic summit]

uh i see

[copper creek]

commcord = nikke community server

[strange linden]

Does rosanna has any utility now? if she's gone from good to useless I'll reset her skills

[swift mango]

I would love to have Emilia with 24.7% CS but Idk how many rock should I save for that. That's what's really make difference.

[umbral crown]

she is still good

[copper creek]

ok for sp.a i think there are better use of resources than her

for ca, no comment - if you've tried building ur 5 ca teams, she seems to still have a place

[umbral crown]

she has not lost their role yet

[copper creek]

actually

[copper creek]

u try and calculate her dmg at high sync (400+), its actually kinda hopeless now unfortunately

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

If you are whale trying to bully common plebs 60 level lower than your you could try sacrifice Mast team. Lol

[umbral crown]

you know thats not the case for most of us

[tropic summit]

is ppl seriously already considering teams for CA? figured ppl would just give up on that mode

it's been 2+ years without news 🤔

[copper creek]

there are several players with full teams planned and ready already lol

at the moment im trying to build things with less invest requirement

[umbral crown]

sacc strat only works against certain comps and you need to be on range to do that, any lv1 can do it. does not have to be mast

[swift mango]

But Mast s2 provide critrate for your DPS.

That's why she is used

[umbral crown]

she does but thats not really impactfull, you would want to max skill which provides that but using a similar team with rosanna you can defeat it

and you need a really good rosanna which not everyone have

most are even resetting her

[swift mango]

Similar team with Rossana need to play mirror to be equal to it.

Mast p2 die in one hit make your 2 RL team 4 RL lol

[umbral crown]

making her lv160, upgrading skills and OL

[umbral crown]

i know, i have done it before but it does not work as you think it would. depends the comp you are fighting

not any comp would kill her in 1 RL shot

[swift mango]

I tried it too but ofc you need to be a whale to make it work.

[umbral crown]

not need to be really a whale, just good investments in your 4 remaining units + mast in skills

[swift mango]

But then you won't be able to bully

As they can just bring a tanky team to tank your DPS lol

[umbral crown]

but you have an inversted rosanna?

if yours not fully invested the sacc not gonna work

[swift mango]

Nah ofc I just tried for fun. Will invest her later

[umbral crown]

with the right comp even a lv1 can live to burst, happened to me before

[swift mango]

You could try Cindy p1

[merry radish]

can someone help me with a decent team for pvp? I dont really think I have anything good but eh

[umbral crown]

during the time i tested cindy was not released

[quick lake]

Wow. did not think of mast to die to up Rosanna skill

[umbral crown]

but you can counter it with your own rosanna

[copper creek]

this was old strat before new cp formula

[swift mango]

Yes you can.

[copper creek]

now if u do that most likely ur friendly team end up on penalty

[quick lake]

xmas, re-enter B1 buff Rosanna cope

[copper creek]

if u can do this and not end up on penalty, well, u probably had a million other ways to win that fight anyway

hell no lol that would actually be another nail into that coffin

[swift mango]

That's why I called it bully team lol

[quick lake]

For rosanna?

[copper creek]

yea
cuz now i dont even need to be faster than her nor run a revive to safely clear her

[swift mango]

Mostly for end game players with everything maxed. Rossana should still be good for us newer player because no everyone has their team maxed.

So you could still one shot with enough investment.

But does she worth it lol?

Unless you like Arena very much.

[quick lake]

True, its an investment sink

[tropic summit]

didn't even touch my rosanna so far

pve units taking priority, followed by pvp mandatory units

once completing campaign i do have some extra resources, but i still have unfinished core pvp units

[swift mango]

For me my arena units need 4 OL or I don't use them in defense team.

Now my next stop is OL Rossana because Bay gear farming has been a flop.

For 2 months

[umbral crown]

[weak kiln]

heya do we have a cook here?

need sp teams

[wild vine]

Winning?

Also can someone see if I can improve my defense teams?
SP (DEF)
Scarlet/Noir/Pepper/Poli/Jackal
Blanc/Emilia/RH/Biscuit/Anis
Noise/Noah/SBS/Rapunzel/Tia

[tropic summit]

turns out it's actually pretty consistent even without shooting range, additionally even after they changed jackal for rapunzel

surprisingly working well even in def 🤔

although i'm confused on how even the whale of our bracket started losing to it, as it used to win regardless

losing while dropping half their salary on the game must taste weird

[coarse lake]

they're really bad at attacking ig

[tropic summit]

team 2 gets suicided on their scarlet, team 3 will win, team 1 checking burst gen

i guess you're expecting scarlet to be indom by blanc, the enemy will have emilia indommed instead, both teams gonna have to duke it out during indom

you could nullify their burst from emilia with a noah on your side

although you gonna need to resize your team 3

[wild vine]

hm ok, what does resize mean

[tropic summit]

means you gonna need to consider team 3 without noah in p1

a defender like rumani would leave the team nearly unchanged in terms of burst gen, although you won't have team wide invulrn.

also be careful on CP, make sure you don't hit 15% deficit

[wild vine]

idk i was beating this guy yesterday and then i guess he bought a bunch of core dust boxes because he leveled up 10 times in 10 hours lmao

I don't have rumani QQ

[tropic summit]

you could in case use anis (SR one), she has high burst gen but she will hit your CP

else you simply need to approach this differently, commit better on team 1 and commit less on team 3, which is far easier

their team 2 is the one you want to skip the most

[wild vine]

I mean im not attached to these teams haha im just a noob and thought they had a good chance but he keeps switching his teams i need to keep better screenshots

[tropic summit]

yeah that's the basis to increase the odds of winning defense

a good builder can give people trouble by switching around often

team 1 could run

noah scarlet RH laplace jackal

team 3 could run

centi rapu biscuit SBS tia

[wild vine]

don't have centi rip

[tropic summit]

ah sadge

[wild vine]

Tried Alice Rapu Biscuit SBS Tia and I tried the original team combinations I sent above and two Ls

team 3 for him just too stronk I wish I had centi lmao

[tropic summit]

make sure she's wishlisted, you'll get her at some point

[drifting socket]

Sp teams plz? :)

[neat dove]

Yeah the deficit is now over 80k after he put Cindy. Also I know he has that Cindy invested because he out Cindy on his represnetive team and it jumped from 100k to 190k in like a week. Anyway, the team you suggested can’t beat this team.. this is annoying as hell

[brittle hill]

One recommendation I can give:
Twinkling soda, Redhood, Viper, Centi/Emelia, Noir

I'm just creating a spreadsheet for teams now. I think it would be funny to create a weekly rotation so it's never the same

[umbral crown]

🎈

[keen vapor]

Sorry for being busy

[umbral crown]

[grizzled bone]

SP Def

Noise-Noah-Cindy-Rapunzel-Rumani [3rl]
Scarlet-Grave-Liter-Noir-Jackal [3rl]
Blanc-SBS-RH-Biscuit-Poli [4rl]

the problem with cooks for you is that when trying to go for 3RL teams, your clip RLs are low CP (e.g. Rumani, Anis). Also no Emilia?

[keen vapor]

There's no Rem either

[umbral crown]

emiless

[keen vapor]

[umbral crown]

[long chasm]

Need counter team 1 or team 3
Team 2 already win

[keen vapor]

Have you tried Scar team for the first one? Like, bursting before Noah thanks to feed

No wait, he has jackal so he will get feed as well....

Try using his emi team against Noah

[long chasm]

Team 3 i try scar blanc rh emi jackal but emi survive and wipe up all of my team

[keen vapor]

Copy his team, use it for team 1

[long chasm]

Okay

[keen vapor]

Emi is anti Noah

[drifting socket]

started on 1.5 ani q.q.q.q ty tho :)

[long chasm]

Nope

[keen vapor]

[drifting socket]

you can prob just blanc either team

[keen vapor]

I told you to copy his Blanc team, not use yours

When I mentioned Scarlet

||baka||

[drifting socket]

anyone know if cin can nuke through deficit?

no buff

[keen vapor]

People can't even follow clear instructions smh

[keen vapor]

Haven't tried

[long chasm]

Remove biscuit in team 2 is death wish by drake and noir

[keen vapor]

Attack buff, double attacker SG

[drifting socket]

prob dont need biscuit for team 1 👀

[keen vapor]

Probably Noise can't tank it either

[long chasm]

I afraid emi not ult

[umbral crown]

rosanna invested?

[long chasm]

But rh ulti but dont get blanc ult

Sometime that haappen

Like his team 3

Emi ult but death

Rh bot ult but get blanc

[long chasm]

Yes

[umbral crown]

how much atk?

[long chasm]

161k

[umbral crown]

i mean from OL

[keen vapor]

Noise tanking Summer Anis shots maybe? no, jackal should be enough to distribute damage....

[umbral crown]

how much % of atk you have from OL and also her skill investment

[long chasm]

All of gear have attack

Skil 5 10 10

[umbral crown]

11% each one?

can you make S1 lv7?

[long chasm]

Done

[umbral crown]

then you could try:
Scarlet-Blanc-Rosanna-Emilia-Jackal

with this team, which units are linked?

[long chasm]

I try that tommorow lol

Emi and scarlet will link

My scarlet rh have more hp than emi

When i play normal emi will ult since his hp more low than other

[umbral crown]

i see

[long chasm]

Even just get hit by GL

[umbral crown]

but there is a high chance scar will have lower hp when blanc is bursting

[long chasm]

That only happen if input emi in p2

I think p3-p4 not get hit so much

Scarlet will get blanc buff

[umbral crown]

yeah, thats the goal

and rosanna will 100% kill emi, just im not sure she will kill red hood at all

but if she get stuck on scar during burst then you win

[long chasm]

If i burst first i still lose

Like first video

His emi will still have blanc ult

Like 1 sec more

But with rosana , that will delay my burst

I hope scar not death when delay burst 😂

[umbral crown]

im hoping something like this happens, it was me some months ago

if she is linked, you should be fine

you have SR5 doll on rosanna?

[long chasm]

Yes

[umbral crown]

i see, in the video i have SR15 on her

but im sure you should be fine, i recommend to lock your atk blue line and try to get another useful line like elemental damage

or crit

[long chasm]

Last video emi is death by rosana

[umbral crown]

this was close

1 more sec and you win

i remember i onced use Blanc-SSakura-Emilia-Rosanna-Jackal and somehow worked against that emi team

but i do not know your SSakura investment

Ssakura S2 works nice against iron units so she would weak RH to the point Rosanna burst to kill them both

[bleak latch]

need some more idea on my 3rd defense team the others work well but ran out of idea for 3rd one

my left over nikke most were full OL+R/SR Doll

[umbral crown]

i will let cai cook

[grizzled bone]

i wasn't cooking

[umbral crown]

emi gacha skin

[grizzled bone]

i was organising

[west briar]

can you guys help me build 2 team for pvp pls

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

but talk with SU to rerun emi gacha skin

[grizzled bone]

i have no pull with SU

[long chasm]

Not really good stat

[umbral crown]

but you could

[umbral crown]

the damage comes mostly from S2

its kinda Rosanna burst against iron units

[umbral crown]

could be: Scar-Blanc-Rosanna-Laplace+-Noir

[bleak latch]

sbs has better burst gen then og scarlet right?

[umbral crown]

kinda but for a better optimal team you would want to give scar Jackal

but SBS if she is more invested could be an option

[bleak latch]

standart fast burst scarlet then

[umbral crown]

is your rosanna invested?

[bleak latch]

yep

[umbral crown]

how much atk from OL?

[bleak latch]

29%

burst lv10

[umbral crown]

at your sync you need more atk lines

40% at least

[bleak latch]

but thing is my scarlet has lower core then noir and that made noir has more atk stats than her

so jakcal buff will be on noir+rosana

[umbral crown]

Noah-Cinderella-Biscuit-Moran-Bunny Soda
Blanc-Ein-Liter-Laplace-Pepper

[umbral crown]

then we go scarlet sacc

[bleak latch]

[umbral crown]

i used to do that

Scarlet-Blanc-Emilia-Rosanna-Jackal

scar the sacc

so people was always facing emi nuke

[bleak latch]

this will have to do for now then

have to rework on rosana more

[umbral crown]

core 4.. give

[grizzled bone]

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[umbral crown]

[grizzled bone]

just ignore that lol

[umbral crown]

the code to summon emi gacha skin?

[grizzled bone]

nah gonna organise the channel a bit since zixk left

[umbral crown]

like coomcord?

[grizzled bone]

yeah

[umbral crown]

waos

[swift mango]

Well this looks like the ultimate stall team these days, I haven't seen any one say they were able to cheese it with weaker team... The only way to beat it would be to out invest it I guess.

You could try 2RL Cindy to see if you could wipe it before he burst... But I doubt it.

[quick lake]

Can a 95% ele ssak kill both jackal RH linked

Need more clip RLs

[umbral crown]

try and record

[quick lake]

I’ll try later

[umbral crown]

ping me when you do

with the video, for future reference{

[graceful grotto]

i wanna see too, ping me

[umbral crown]

[keen vapor]

So you're finally going to cook for me

[grizzled bone]

i'm retired

[keen vapor]

@grizzled bone https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/946720097031045161/1297132224541364246/kisama.mp4?ex=67424bc5&is=6740fa45&hm=e5ae4f4381532054243edb4ca1baa0a07207862acff90044d76e96ba8c4067be&

[kind glen]

what cubes should i give to blanc emilia rh biscuit jackal for arena?

[keen vapor]

Blanc: any high level, I like tempering when there's no biscuit

Emilia and Jackal: quantum

RH: any high level

Biscuit: leftovers

@kind glen

@rich quail cook for me

[kind glen]

i was actually using this
rh: adjudant
emilia: adjudant
blanc: vigor
biscuit and jackal: quantum

was it okay or bad or yours is better?

[keen vapor]

Biscuit gets no benefit from quantum but Adjutant is not bad option either, which level is it btw?

[kind glen]

quantum is 4, adjudant is 7

i can upgrade, but im not sure which one to upgrade

[keen vapor]

Truly nice

[keen vapor]

What about resilience and bastion?

[kind glen]

both 5

[keen vapor]

Upgrade them

[kind glen]

and then

alr both became 6

[keen vapor]

Good

[kind glen]

should i change biscuit's cube

[keen vapor]

Good

[kind glen]

[severe ember]

how should i build another team

[keen vapor]

Have you read pinned messages yet

Surely those help one day

[little trench]

help me 1 team rookie and 3 teams SP arena please

[grizzled bone]

<@&946725432554836008> hello mods could you please pin this message #pvp-arena message for easier navigation? As well as remove Keripo's Rumani's analysis from the pins? #pvp-arena message

[grizzled bone]

#pvp-arena message @zinc lion could you please remove this as well while we're at it? I've just added everything under 1 header. Thank you

ty!

[grizzled bone]

typically you want Jackal in either P1 or P5 to take advantage of her link (usually with Scarlet)
e.g. Scarlet-Flex-Liter-X.Anne-Jackal

T3 Suggestion

Blanc-SBS-RH-Lappy+3-Emi [3.5 RL]

[grizzled bone]

Rookie Def

[3RL] Noah-Noise-Biscuit-ASS-Jackal
Anis can be replaced with your choice of B3

SP Def

[3RL] Blanc-SBS-RH-Noir-Centi
[3RL] Noah-Noise-Alice-Rapunzel-Jackal
[4RL] Moran-ASS-Biscuit-Emilia-Tia

[graceful grotto]

What's ASS? lmao

[grizzled bone]

@nocturne quest could you actually un-pin that please? i've added the link here to declutter the pins #pvp-arena message

[grizzled bone]

Anis Sparkling Summer/S.Anis

[graceful grotto]

And I think u left one more unit in 3rd team

[grizzled bone]

yes, thank you. Edited

[graceful grotto]

HAHAHAHAHA it's so fitting in some way

[gritty garnet]

I have these nikke

Can you help me build 3st team

I don't have moran and tia

[grizzled bone]

it's funnier for sure

[graceful grotto]

Blanc-Red Hood-Centi-Noir-Noise [3RL]
Noah-Rapunzel-Cinderella/SBS-Laplace (T)-Pepper/Sugar [3RL]
Jackal-Biscuit-Anis-ASS-Drake [2.5RL]

[grizzled bone]

ASS taking over

[graceful grotto]

you created a trend now

[spiral onyx]

Wao, I write a lot lol

But I still haven't gotten around to writing Cindy and Grave, oops

I blame the power outage

[grizzled bone]

diamond tier yapanomics

[grizzled bone]

eh not a big deal

hope everything is well!

[spiral onyx]

But here's a quick analysis:

• Cindy = 0-buff AoE nuker with no real weak point, S tier, not S+ tier as just a 1-trick pony. Highly recommended for pull.
• Grave = B tier, solid buffer but no additional utility so pales in comparison with the many other B2 buffer options. Optional pull.

[spiral onyx]

All is well, just got power restored earlier today but still no Internet (cellular network very spotty). No house damage but some neighbors not so lucky.

[grizzled bone]

oh that's good were there some electrical fires?

I'd imagine that cut into your Throne and Liberty time

[spiral onyx]

Nope, just a lot of fallen trees and rain so roadblocks and power outage.
I've not been able to play any games since Monday evening 😦

[grizzled bone]

oh dang must've been quite the storm. Glad you're alright though

[little trench]

I love ass tks u :3

[graceful grotto]

Really sad grave burst gen gimmick wasn't right from the start

Would be cool otherwise

[swift mango]

Now that I think about it. A tanky Red hood team should be able to do the job here.

How does something like

Noise+Noah+Quiry+RH+Jackal

looks like for you?

In CP? Lol

[neat dove]

Oh dang I don’t have quiry invested at all lol

[swift mango]

Noah+Crown+Biscuit+Red hood+Jackal?

I hope it could work. Idk if crown could feed them to 2RL lol.

I would wager no amount of healing could save Noise and Cindi against 7 sec of red hood burst lol

[swift mango]

They didn't even use Biscuit to tank p2 Noah. 7 sec of RH burst should wipe them all. So long you as you stop Cindy nuke.

Especially so if she had lots of elements dmg lines

I totally forgot about it and thought they had Biscuit lol.... Without invincibility nothing can tank RH damage lol.

You might not even need Crown.

[agile sinew]

Hello, Please cook me teams for Rookie arena and SP arena, thanks a bunch!

[fathom rock]

@grizzled bone emilia ready?

[grizzled bone]

Does that add up to 21% cs? I'm on mobile rn

Also for future reference I'm usually asleep by now

[fathom rock]

[neat dove]

Holy man, you are a god. I won with the crown team you suggested
And I’m also 110k cp deficit too

[fathom rock]

21.81%

[grizzled bone]

Nice! You should notice a change with that

Filling the burst bar is a lot easier now and you can pretty much consistently hit 3RL

[fathom rock]

And started working on biscuit....

[tropic summit]

there's something else in this list

[brittle hill]

Level her S2 too just in case. I think Pydrwen said it adds to her charge speed stats

[fathom rock]

Lv7 not enough?

[fathom rock]

April fools

[brittle hill]

I left it as 8, but S1 is 10 for sure

[grizzled bone]

4/7/7 is minimum recommendation to make her viable in PvP. S2 increases ammo which is always good, B3 makes bigger boom

[graceful grotto]

What does she need? I think maybe defense and charge speed?

Since she's mainly for burst gen and defensive

[fathom rock]

Should I reroll that for cp

[graceful grotto]

Unless you have tons of stone I guess?

[grizzled bone]

Hit rate is trash roll for something better when your resources allow

[fathom rock]

Oh they do, have nothing to save rocks or anyway

Hot garbage

Does 2nd one give more cp

[grizzled bone]

That's still better than hit rate for an RL lol

[fathom rock]

back to waiting for fodder

[grizzled bone]

This is good

Actually ideal

[fathom rock]

Didn't give cube yet so there is room for more cp

[grizzled bone]

Ele dmg gives most CP padding if you wanted to hunt for that. I would only roll at max 2 ammo lines. But 1 ammo line at min. 60% is fine.

Generally I wouldn't spend too much on rolling for Biscuit though

[fathom rock]

just getting usable lines if anything

[swift mango]

That's great

[fathom rock]

Cp after gear and cubes

[grizzled bone]

Do you not have Cindy? She would be ideal for t1

[fathom rock]

I do, but will it maintain 2rl

[grizzled bone]

I was thinking you could make a 2rl team with Cindy bursting. Rosanna can only snipe ATK units

Unless that doesn't work for your cp

[fathom rock]

It does, actually might give me more cp

That should be 8% deficit

[grizzled bone]

Assuming Rosanna is built (probably not but worst case scenario) she can only snipe Emilia now.

[fathom rock]

So do I full send now

[grizzled bone]

And they have nothing to block Cindy nuke

Well does this free up units to improve your other team?

[fathom rock]

Yes, rh>sbs

[graceful grotto]

Cause em is the highest attack?

[grizzled bone]

She's the only attacker on that team

[graceful grotto]

[graceful grotto]

Team one could also be screen wipe

Double screenwipe

[fathom rock]

I can go boda or mpriv those are built for wipe too

[grizzled bone]

Well now you could put scarlet in your other team

[fathom rock]

What scarlet

[grizzled bone]

Oh

[fathom rock]

Mpriv/boda/noir/rh/jackal

That's 3rl, I'll probably just stick to sanis

[graceful grotto]

Is QEQ the best screen wiper after scar and Cindy?

[grizzled bone]

Yes stick to ASS

[fathom rock]

Qeq has pvp usage?

[graceful grotto]

Word of the wise

[grizzled bone]

Quency needs buffers and we are still not sure how her distributed damage works

[graceful grotto]

I'll stick with ein for now

Building her atm

[fathom rock]

........... We forgor

[grizzled bone]

Also water unit. Most of the pvp units are electric

[graceful grotto]

But already have scar, ass and Cindy so not sure whether ein will replace anyone lol

[graceful grotto]

True

[graceful grotto]

Where b1 omg

[fathom rock]

We forgor

[grizzled bone]

Oh I thought you had rumani in there

[fathom rock]

Rumani skipped me 250 pulls no ssr

[grizzled bone]

[fathom rock]

I'll swap jackal and centi

[graceful grotto]

Such a waste of jackal but no choice

[fathom rock]

thanks

[grizzled bone]

Alright now write down the enemy team comps and write what you used to beat them so you never forget

And color code the comps according to team speed

[fathom rock]

Would've never thought of that, nice

[grizzled bone]

Now you can become like me

[fathom rock]

Then there are mfs I simply can't beat

[grizzled bone]

Winning against deficit is doable but you gotta have great unit investment

[fathom rock]

The reason I have low cp is bc y units lack invest

[grizzled bone]

But if you didnt you could beat people 20 synch levels higher than you

Come over to the dark side

Become a PvPer

[fathom rock]

Soon™

[graceful grotto]

That's an interesting team comp...

[grizzled bone]

Btw you can block Emilia nuke

Slow your team down so that Noah tanks it

[fathom rock]

That's not the issue I am dead before she even bursts

[graceful grotto]

But definitely need biscuit tho, for the stall game

So that Noah can survive long enough

[grizzled bone]

This is for future reference

[graceful grotto]

The team I'm having trouble atm is Noah + Emilia team, and my Biscuit is used on other team, Noah is not able to survive if I stall

[grizzled bone]

Use Blanc to indom your B3?

[graceful grotto]

Taken in team 1 hahaha

I still win, 2/3

But I wanna 3/3

[grizzled bone]

Lemme see

[graceful grotto]

Team 1 was my scarlet + Blanc

Team 3 was Moran + biscuit + Cindy (this actually tanked scarlet nuke lol)

Team 2 is the one I find tricky

[graceful grotto]

I'll show u when he attacked me

[fathom rock]

Now time to update def lineup because I haven't survived a single attack

[swift mango]

If you don't have Drunk Scarlet, yes. She Regen more burst gauge than typical SMG too.

Almost at mag SG levelm

[fathom rock]

And feed jackal super well

[swift mango]

So do other units.

Including Liter

You also can't have 3 jackal

[grizzled bone]

You don't need Scarlet, it just make PvP easier

There are so many attack options for PvP now

[swift mango]

And not like Jackal wouldn't feed with other nikkes.

Typical Noise+3clip RL including Jackal + Cindy would be feed into 2rl even without and SMG, SG and MG.

Thinking SMG unusable in PVP you might as well removing all clip SG from your teams.

[grizzled bone]

If someone hasn't cooked for you while I'm gone ping me or if you'd like to see what my idea is as well

[fathom rock]

[umbral crown]

[graceful grotto]

Blanc-SBS-Red Hood-Noir-Jackal

Tia-Pepper/Rapunzel-Biscuit-ASS-Emilia

Noah-Noise-Centi-Anis-Cinderella

If Laplace is Treasure can considered swapping out Anis and put Laplace in Pos 5

[quick lake]

No wonder, man has no scarlet

[fathom rock]

Will try with la+ and see how it holds

[swift mango]

They just needed to learn. You finally have a decent defense team after months of playing so ofc they would confuse. Guess your bracket didn't have anyone like that either.

[rose kestrel]

Rate my Special Arena team:

[keen vapor]

It uses Yan, Tia and 2B for no reason

[rose kestrel]

In a sea of 400+ sync levels, at 386 and F2P. I think they're coming through just fine at Diamond 3.

Need that RL charge, and wipe for one of the 3 as a back up. Also the 2B was built when my DPS'es wipe characters were only 2B, Scarlet and Harran... pre-getting Red Hood.

Still hunting down that lucky Noah pull. Still missing that 1.0 Pilgrim.

[keen vapor]

So you overloaded Yan?

[rose kestrel]

Yup.

[swift mango]

Grave+Viper+Rapunzel+Anis+Cindy (3RL)

Noise+Pepper+Bay+Alice+Noir (3.5RL)

Auto team

Or

B.Soda+S.Sakura+Rossanna+Marciana+Sugar (4RL, may want upgrade Rossanna to 4/4/4 at least, especially s2)

Yeah, I didn't have time for this yesterday but still remember you.

[graceful grotto]

Flex that CP

[swift mango]

T1: 3rl wiped.

T2: 2.5RL.wiped.

T3; Just why?

[keen vapor]

Did you knew? Yan actually has way lower burst gen then Tia

[swift mango]

Not worse than the fact that Belorta has lower burst gen than Mica.

Sad Belosta noise#

[keen vapor]

Mica my beloved

[graceful grotto]

Hope to get mica and Anne on rerun

[keen vapor]

[rose kestrel]

They're both in the teams, I don't have one over the other.

Also Pepper used to be in one of the teams with Tia, but she was a bit of an anchor that was sinking me half the time... when I got Blanc, Rumani & Cinderella on the same patch I took her out and shuffle some things around.

Pepper seem to die and was targeted pretty often... Yan, it's not just there because she's RL & because solely that... it's because she's been reliable and stays alive most of the time. lol!

[fathom rock]

Mica is only 21.8?
Im skipping

[rose kestrel]

I don't have anything built reliable as a 1 to replace her yet.

Currently finishing Rumani right now.

[swift mango]

Mica is used because Keripo has 24.7 CS on Emilia. Not because her Regen is Stella or anything.

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

Is still fast more than standard RL

[swift mango]

You has more chance to get XMica on Christmas than Rumani lol.

9 months of fishing for Jackal here.

[swift mango]

Yeah, but hardly mattered normally. She is lower tier than Pepper for a reason.

[fathom rock]

what's the relation between mica and emilia cs

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

Look at this again@fathom rock

[swift mango]

With 4 CS black line Emilia could shot her 3rd shot at 2RL.

Which make 2 RL Scarlet possible with just 2 clip RL

[fathom rock]

what does that have to do with mica still

[swift mango]

XMica and xAnne/grave are the buffers with the burst gen enough for 2RL Scarlet to happen.

Other buffer just too slow

[fathom rock]

Ahhh

[swift mango]

But you want 4 black line CS and Emilia first.

[fathom rock]

That's a diabolical goal to aim for

[swift mango]

I remember combination of black line + blue line and CS cubes should be enough. Not needing all 4 black line.

Someone could correct me on this because I lazy to find the number and do math for this.

[umbral crown]

If you would know...

[umbral crown]

Read her kit and you will know

[keen vapor]

"keep out"

[swift mango]

I was planning to build Rossanna but play testing on Rookie I realized the Rossanna team I want to build would needs Jackal.... Should I build Rossanna now or Pepper so I could also use her in Missiles tower lol?

[quick lake]

U invest in tower units?

I just put my leftovers there

[swift mango]

I use pvp units for tower

[quick lake]

Pretty smart

[swift mango]

Normal peeps who build Liter for Campaign wouldn't have my problem.

Because I built DKW instead

At least my DKW carrying over 1/3 of my Elysion tower team now.

[merry radish]

I was so confused at first ahah thanks

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

Between rosanna and pepper i prefer rosanna

[umbral crown]

@swift mango imagine the reaction of the boi

I never thought i wouod defend against him

[swift mango]

Tbf Zwei and Pepper's stock risen for me lately because of Cindy wanting to be p5 lol

[umbral crown]

You wanna build pepper?

She needs same investment as rosanna

All attack you can give to her

[swift mango]

Just as burst Regen and soften enemies a bit before Cindy one shot them. L4-5 skills are enough

[umbral crown]

And since Pepper is wind, some advantage to iron units

And you would have max S2 and Burst

[analog jolt]

Guys, do you think I can do any better? I have tried a couple teams but I can never beat 2 that are ahead of me

[umbral crown]

Also pepper can nuke just 1 unit

[swift mango]

Attack team is very dependent on the enemy line up. You could show them here and ask for a way to beat them.

For your team specifically, it's not very good for Defense. You may want to invest in Noah to go with your SBS. as Blanc hit can miss SBS unless you keep her HP below Alice and Noir.

[analog jolt]

I am going against this, the Emilia is really strong

[umbral crown]

The classic emi team

Kinda low for that sync

[swift mango]

There are some options

1. Jackal+Noah+Cindy+Emilia+Noir (2RL cindy nuke)

2. 4RL SBS+Blanc team

Blanc+SBS+Rapunzel/Liter+Biscuit+Emilia/Noir (Emilia ideally has less than 2 charge speed line but should be fine if you liter)

but you need to check your CP/theirs > 0.846.

3. A tanky 4 RL with

Noah+Noise+Rapunzel+SBS+Biscuit

But I don't think you have enough investment on them.

[swift mango]

As above this comment

[umbral crown]

You can always ask for their roster in horizotal mode to have an idea

[swift mango]

They already post it above

[umbral crown]

[analog jolt]

Yeah, noise gets obliterated

[glad meteor]

Later Blanc

[swift mango]

Team 2 could use Liter in place of Rapunzel for more cp but in that case, can't use Noir.

[swift mango]

Biscuit gaming

[glad meteor]

Yep

[swift mango]

Okay wait. Team 3 is 3RL not 4RL.... Would be wiped.

Could try changing Noise to liter.

I was using this team for defense before so all this talk would shot me in the foot if my bracket mates read it lol... But I don't use it right now... But still I might use it later and got obliterated lol.

[graceful grotto]

Is it bob08 or is it booba

[umbral crown]

But against defender+ biscuit ... Cindy is not good at all unless you burst 1 RL before them

[swift mango]

T3 could change Noise to Liter

Team 2, if you SBS keep dying before burst you could

Blanc+SBS+Liter+Biscuit+Jackal (liter need more HP here than SBS or it won't work)

[swift mango]

Yeah, that's why I recommended them 2RL nuke.

It's actually Noah+Biscuit. Other defender, even Blanc could have other way around.

[swift mango]

Okay my bad, in case Jackal in T1 doesn't get enough feed to get to 2RL.

You may want to switch Noah with Anis...

As t1 is 2.5rl naturally.

[glad meteor]

Blanc cindirella rapunzel biscuit jackal

Can out indom as long as cindy get’s indom

[swift mango]

Cindy will never get Indom easily. Better just use SBS lol.

[glad meteor]

Maybe there’s hope with strong jackal

Rapunzel biscuit get jackal linked maybe

So rapu get’s less damage

[swift mango]

Jackal in that team should link with Rapunzel and Biscuit if they invest on them. But if they didn't and she link with Cindy then it's basically never.

[glad meteor]

Yep

[swift mango]

Oh wait, my bad, maybe they doesn't need Indom on Cindy after all if she could wipe with her burst. The other getting Indom could also kill 1 HP Emillia. Unless their damage so bad and couldn't out dmg the heal from Blanc.

[glad meteor]

Maybe, Would need to see it to see how it goes. Imagine we’re reloading for example lol

[swift mango]

Yeah. My missed Blanc often hit Centi and my centi has 2-3 ammo lines so she never reload during arena lol...

[glad meteor]

I put bastion on my emi

Made a difference in a couple fights. With biscuit invul

[wind sluice]

Hi guys! can any one help me build a team for SP Arena?

[swift mango]

#pvp-arena message

Could try this aswell

[wind sluice]

With this many characters, what strong teams can I build?

[umbral crown]

If cindy well invested she might not get indom

[swift mango]

Ehm with your roster having zero investment in burst Regen arena units the best team you could build is just auto team.

My bad I think you invest in noir

[wind sluice]

So what should i do now 🐧

Which squad should I invest in ?

This mode is really confusing for an auto player like me @@

[swift mango]

If you are willing to invest

Scarlet+Blanc+RH+Noir/Anis+Jackal (in case you use Noir, Vigor on her and Quantum on Jackal)

Rumani+Pepper+Centi+Cindy+Emilia

Noah+Noise+Biscuit+S.Anis+Rapunzel/Anis/Maiden

I guess... You have pretty much everyone.

[wind sluice]

But i don't have biscuit

[swift mango]

Okay wait...Noise+Noah+S.Anis/SBS+Rapunzel+Maiden/(or Tia if SBS is okay)

[wind sluice]

Am i arranging this right

[quick lake]

T2, swap pepper with Rumani's positions

And also synchro them

[peak fjord]

Was told for second half of the question to move here. Thanks in advanced if anyone can help!

[umbral crown]

Rookie Defense

Scarlet/Blanc/Liter/Noir/Jackal

SP Defense

Scarlet/Blanc/Liter/Noir/Jackal
Cindirella/Noah/Anis/Rouge/Tia
Moran/Pepper/Maid Privaty/Naga/Doro

[past bolt]

I think someone doesn't like me

[terse abyss]

@quasi prism you're at 6 atm

[quasi prism]

@terse abyss yeah I know, I have 3 off them constantly attacking me

Not too much I can really do about it honestly until I'm done working on my anomaly team units

Maybe my pilgrim mold will give me red hood or noah today

or just a rare

[umbral crown]

https://tenor.com/view/idolmaster-u149-anime-risa-matoba-haru-yuuki-gif-10528550301225492239

[swift mango]

My 7-8 Pligrim molds dropped me 2 Scarlet. My drunk Scarlet is at core 1 now. Yep, they are just bait.

[runic spear]

looking to rework my SP Arena Defense

[quasi prism]

I'm uh hm

Be better to just show you my current standing

Give me 5 minutes

@swift mango

I core maxed grave with gold tickets i saved

[shut seal]

Anything I can tweak to keep Scarlet alive for another couple of seconds? Dying before I can burst- opponent is using Scarlet-Centi-Rosanna-Laplace-Jackal.

Or do I give everyone except Scarlet burst cubes just to race?

[keen vapor]

Noah/Emilia/RH/Centi/Jackal

[shut seal]

70K deficit okay with that?

Actually closer to 60. 890K vs 830K

[keen vapor]

What matters is percentage

[keen vapor]

Yes, that's fine

[shut seal]

Cheers. I’ll give it a try now

[keen vapor]

||Surely I don't mess up again||

[shut seal]

Hero. He dead. Time for revenge. Thanks brother.

[keen vapor]

[vapid lake]

||deeznuts haha got'em||

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

What's your current defense?

[vernal plume]

how to use cinderella in pvp ?

[keen vapor]

You make her burst at 2 RL preferably, either 3RL, no buffer needed

[keen vapor]

And don't use in P1

[vernal plume]

2rl wdym

[keen vapor]

Is already good no wait, it can be improved

[keen vapor]

Filled with clip RL units

[runic spear]

I'd hope so considering this comp is like over a year old lol

[keen vapor]

NO WAY YOU DON'T HAVE EMILIA-TAN

[runic spear]

sadly

[vernal plume]

emidlia

[keen vapor]

Now what I'm supposed to do with Blanc team

[vernal plume]

cinderella pretty good

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

Is your Summer Anis HP higher than RH?

Well, there shouldn't be a jackal for Blanc team....

[runic spear]

there's a gap

[keen vapor]

I have a proposal

Is slower than recommended however

[runic spear]

that is certainly something

[vernal plume]

wtf is this

[keen vapor]

Experimental cooking

[drifting socket]

I've used that exact team before

[keen vapor]

How was it

[drifting socket]

Viable but too many RL might kill anis

[keen vapor]

At which phase is your Summer anis doll?

[vernal plume]

how to improve my defence ?

[keen vapor]

The one with a gun

[runic spear]

believe I threw a base purple doll on her

[keen vapor]

Just that? that won't make it for 4 rocket launcher shots+3RL nuke

Maybe bad idea after all

[lunar dirge]

that's why you diamond

[keen vapor]

How you're going?

[tropic summit]

how do you suggest beating this boys?

[keen vapor]

That looks like 2RL

[tropic summit]

even if he had lvl 7 quantum, that's still 3RL it seems

[keen vapor]

and you get extra feed

[tropic summit]

if they had emilia 21% cs tho it goes 2.5, but I doubt it's the case

[vernal plume]

1.6m cp vs 3m cp

[keen vapor]

So, have you tried Blanc Emi nuke?

[tropic summit]

don't have emilia

[keen vapor]

there's so many emiless people here

[tropic summit]

been defending ch3 without her for all the past seasons

[keen vapor]

I can't cook in conditions

[tropic summit]

so emilia is gamebreaking for you in this context?

like, noone else that can beat that lineup above? 🤔

[keen vapor]

She fires after noah shield so yes

[tropic summit]

it's rookie so there's bound to be more than 1 specific nikke as counter, right?

[keen vapor]

I could try SBS/Blanc/Rosanna....

[lunar dirge]

c4 as usual

[tropic summit]

rosanna against a cindy? 🤔

there's biscuit too

[keen vapor]

Better than me

[tropic summit]

does rosanna strip biscuit buff?

[keen vapor]

I was thinking about unlinking, but maybe is better to keep it so biscuit buff gets wasted

So, SBS Blanc RH

Blanc with tempering

Perhaps

[tropic summit]

i was thinking this

noah will block their nuke, s.anis will kill higher atk dmg, which i believe it's their invested emilia as cindy is recent, although can't say for 100%

and since cindy will be linked, emilia and jackal will die first, last cindy

[keen vapor]

Stall team.... Might work as well

But use this variation

Noah/Noise/Summer Anis/Biscuit/Rapunzel

Max healing

[tropic summit]

i think?

btw don't have noise built, so that one i can't get running

tried the one i mentioned earlier, it takes forever to kill them

[autumn solar]

Looking for SP arena teams My current ones are a little outdated.

[tropic summit]

@keen vapor SBS didn't work either

maybe i should just quit trying, emilia less is finally showing itself

[keen vapor]

Ore wa Emilia ga suki da

Try with Rosanna

[tropic summit]

don't have her built

i'll pass, just rookie anyway, let this CH dude have his fun winning 5 times at day w/e

[vapid lake]

damn she eating good

[tropic summit]

he's gonna do this every day for weeks, i guarantee

[keen vapor]

There's a shuffle very soon

Let's hope you don't deal with him anymore

[drifting hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/rule-634-rule-634-gif-8399712688492485578

[stable cypress]

already happening for me xD
I don't have noah so can't counter any halfbaked quickburst team with her.
Emiliana does not do enough damage even with high cp advantage.

[keen vapor]

Yes I know the pain of Noahless

[stable cypress]

started in the re:zero event so can't complain on my luck, but the game has been meming on me with the pilgrim drops.

[worthy knoll]

Cindy will be highest atk during full burst coz of her S1

[strange linden]

I want to reset Rosanna's skills for Laplace man..

[keen vapor]

I resetted pepper

I need more burst manuals

[vapid lake]

[keen vapor]

@umbral crown I feel stupid I can't improve it

[lunar dirge]

[keen vapor]

My Blanc is lb2
Noise 0 dupes

[umbral crown]

Skill issues then

[keen vapor]

[swift mango]

Try to drop to rank 30 he won't hit you if he can't find you

[quasi prism]

I thought weekends were perma 2x now, Or was that just for the anniversary duration of old tales?

[keen vapor]

Just for anni

Also special events like winter/summer

[quasi prism]

Ah hell, I thought it was weird it wasn't on today.

[wheat heart]

so i read on a chinese forum that 2RL cinderella burst can beat noah burst but not noah + jackal. is that confirmed? i tested it in rookie and it seems true but not sure what i'm looking for. the noah did die once but the rest of the team still got the invincibility.

[vapid lake]

basically there some kind of bug with burst timings where cindy can kill people that are under noah's invincibility https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1177116972593463316/1307458165109035141/2024-11-16-23-09-56.mp4?ex=67439b4d&is=674249cd&hm=ad70f7c62886a6055ae0785f5fb183817197c7157a4ef3e9a4bff245c2507ce9&

[vapid lake]

can't replace rumani with noise? cindy's not doing enough damage with only centi buff

[wheat heart]

so is the issue the damage not the noah block?

[keen vapor]

[vapid lake]

you did burst first and the enemy took 5 or so hits

but it barely put a dent in their health bar

[wheat heart]

gotcha so it's a CP gap thing

[vapid lake]

there's no stat penalty here

[leaden canyon]

if he replaces rumani with noise it turns into a 3rl and I'm pretty sure noah blocks right?

[wheat heart]

so you basically have to be able to kill w only 5 hits of cindy burst?

[vapid lake]

idk

im just yapping

ask the real pvp ma @keen vapor answer him

[keen vapor]

I rather use Emilia nuke

[glad meteor]

I think the damage share messes up the order of the sequential attacks so they don’t go through noah invul anymore

[wheat heart]

just doing this to test 2RL cindy

bc keripo said 2RL cindy is the "meta team" now but it's not beating the meta teams so idk

[vapid lake]

idk but i feel like cindy requires at least noise to buff her to do enough damage to one shot people

[wheat heart]

i don' tthink you can get to 2RL w noise cuz cindy is so slow

[vapid lake]

[glad meteor]

Noise noah/anis centi cindy jackal could but need feed. Also the problem of noah taunt. She needs more cs so she doesn’t feed extra gen

[median flare]

2RL Cindy vs. 3RL Noise Noah—I feel like 2RL Cindy will likely lose due to the delay on her second sequential shot

what do you guys think?

this one has no noise

[vapid lake]

his sync lvl 400++ units are A LOT tankier

i dont think it works for him

[median flare]

just showing cindy 2nd shot got blocked

[glad meteor]

Yeah, pretty much not all hits go through

[wheat heart]

just trying to figure her out. she doesn't seem meta to me.

[keen vapor]

She nukes

She's as meta as that

[worthy knoll]

#pvp-arena message

[glad meteor]

She’s meta on offense. Cooks all moran biscuit teams. I know longer need to pray for scar

All this time relying on bsoda nuke

[vapid lake]

doesn't bsoda nuke do like... no dmg

[wheat heart]

true true. just was hoping she'd be able to break up god comps

[glad meteor]

Ele lines against sanis and biscuit

Red hood target p5
Emi target p1,2.3

My team is at 2.5RL, i kill sanis or biscuit guaranteed

[vapid lake]

maybe i should really start building SG team it'd help my raiding too

[keen vapor]

Same

[vapid lake]

i forgot the iron advantage vs electric

[wheat heart]

yeah bsoda wrecks

[glad meteor]

They don’t want to give proper iron nukers

[vapid lake]

but the thought of playing tove slot machine is hurts my soul

[glad meteor]

1 buffer iron nuker when

[vapid lake]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1232770703367995412/1307488983051276379/tovecoins.gif?ex=6743b801&is=67426681&hm=75e2610a5fce0ba13c641bde3c0777705d0aea214b13cab249a5441ac51b54ef&

[keen vapor]

Bunny Alice could have make it work, but devs decided to not

[marsh glen]

What defense teams can i build for PVP special arena?

[peak fjord]

What about now that I just pulled biscuit 🫣

[grizzled bone]

SP Def

Noah-Pepper-Cindy-Rapunzel-Centi
Blanc-Emi-RH-Viper-Jackal
Crown-SBS-BSoda-DKW-Anis

out of curiousity when did you start playing?

[graceful grotto]

Biscuit can replace Naga in T3

[marsh glen]

i started around elegg, if u r asking about liter pls stop she has been evading me this entire time

[graceful grotto]

Looks like prolly around rezero Collabs

[graceful grotto]

U can get her for free now lol

After 100 pulls

[marsh glen]

i know im saving the points for her

[grizzled bone]

just wondering because you've pulled some really good units. Elegg was around February 2024 I believe

[graceful grotto]

Right before DKW if I recall

[graceful grotto]

Try getting biscuit and moran so your pvp team can be complete with the Christmas rerun units

[grizzled bone]

yeah i think dkw was march

[quick lake]

@umbral crown @graceful grotto
95% ele SSak at 10% deficit. Does dmg to RH, but DOT is too slow. Might work if you can survive opponent’s burst

[graceful grotto]

The scarlet Blanc combo

Hate those (while I'm using it shamelessly)

[quick lake]

I hate those Emilia Noah combos

[graceful grotto]

Same, normally have to calculate delay Noah to prevent it

[umbral crown]

Next time try double buff Ssakura

But thats unbuffed Ssakuea still does fine

[marsh glen]

ok thanks

[vapid lake]

what are the chances of xanne coming back, since she's from the very first christmas event and this would be the 3rd one

[spiral onyx]

A bit short on damage

[umbral crown]

Next time try: Blanc/Ssakura/Emilia/Red Hood/Jackal

If not om deficit

[spiral onyx]

Wasn't the Noah (Cindy landed her nukes before Noah), more likely either not enough investment on Cindy or the opponent has dolls which helped reduce damage distributed via Jackal link

I also never claimed Cindy is the new meta team, I'm only said she is a new meta unit. In rookie arena she is still behind Scarlet and SAnis

[graceful grotto]

Is Sakura first attack random?

[spiral onyx]

Imo, Cindy fills the missing gap of "who to run for 3rd team" in SP Arena. Previously all other options were very copium or hard to team build around or had very easy counters. Cindy can be run on T3 alongside Scarlet and SAnis in T1/T2

[graceful grotto]

Wouldn't Emilia be another unit that is hard to counter? Just wondering

Since Emilia is always run with Noah, and to counter Emilia x Noah, prolly would need to calculate a delayed Noah, which then opens up to scarlet nuke on another team without Noah

[keen vapor]

Always run with Noah? I always use her with Blanc...

[graceful grotto]

My Blanc is always with Scarlet hahaha

[keen vapor]

I truly was the PVP joke

[spiral onyx]

Emilia is limited

[keen vapor]

[spiral onyx]

Also very easy to get around specifically because she is slow

Gives the opponent easy team building

[grizzled bone]

see what happens when you drop numbers and then forget to do write ups?

[keen vapor]

[graceful grotto]

[grizzled bone]

my pvp gang is all here

[keen vapor]

But I failed at cooking today

[graceful grotto]

I failed 4 attacks today, finally figure out a counter on last attack lol

The opponent (rookie) was

Scarlet Blanc Biscuit Centi Jackal

[keen vapor]

I'm being mischievous this season

[graceful grotto]

I tried

1. Mirror - Scarlet Blanc Biscuit Emilia Jackal, scarlet die too early

2. Cindy nuke - Noah Biscuit Cinderella Emilia Jackal, ended up not being able to outlast scarlet 1v5

3. Cindy fast burst gen nuke - Noah Centi Cinderella Emilia Jackal, still not fast enough

4. Finally win by using Noise instead lol - Noah Noise Cinderella Emilia Jackal, Noise almost die but survived enough to burst, this comp is damn safe from the opponent

[keen vapor]

Scarlet 40% attack 60 ammo

[raven plover]

wtf 40%

[graceful grotto]

[keen vapor]

[grizzled bone]

[median flare]

It’s more like Jackal gets invulnerability after Red Hood, and Sanis takes the shot, which nullifies the third kill shot

So, do we need 40% ATK from OL to one-shot the enemy with the first 5 shots? Mine has no ATK% from OL, doll at level 10, skill at 10/5/10, vigor lv4, and for gears, 5/5/5/3 wise. Or is this just a lack of investment?

[wheat heart]

was basing that off this post. not trying to cause discourse or say you're wrong. just trying to understand why i couldnt beat noah + jackal links and wanted to know if it was me/build issue (need better OL rolls on cindy) or if it just can't beat that combo (as that's what I read on the chinese forums).

[spiral onyx]

Oh yeah that was not a serious msg, half meme lol

[wheat heart]

i did want to ask: my emilia is at 24.44 CS. it it a hard limit to get 24.7% for 2RL or can 24.44 work?

[keen vapor]

21% already does the job

[wheat heart]

the way i read it 21% does 2.5 and 24.7 gets you to 2RL

[keen vapor]

how it was for 2.5 Keripo?

[wheat heart]

right, can basically run two 2RL teams with using her as a battery

[swift mango]

21% is actually 8% not counting s1.

24.7% of Keripo is exactly 24.7% not counting s1.

[wheat heart]

right it's 24.7% with OL lines + cube

[swift mango]

So that's much harder than some people take it for.

[wheat heart]

mine is 24.44% so it will still build at 2.5RL i'm assuming? just wasn't sure if it was tested at 24.44 or not

[swift mango]

I bet it's 2.1RL

Just off a little lol

But you also need XMica s2 lv10...

[wheat heart]

i believe you can use pepper as a sub

[swift mango]

Then that's no longer 2 buff Scarlet lol

[wheat heart]

what about with noise?

[swift mango]

Mica buff atk.

Noise just heal Scarlet

[wheat heart]

you might could get away with RH

[spiral onyx]

That's literally like asking, "can I burst at 97% burst gauge instead of 100%? It's close enough right?

[swift mango]

Then it's 3rl scarlet

[spiral onyx]

The 24.7% also refers to charge speed from cube + OL lines. Achieving this requires about 200 rocks on average

And all black OL lines

[wheat heart]

that's what I thought but I wanted to verify before I spent more rocks.

[spiral onyx]

I don't really recommend it unless you are trying to build a very specific 2RL setup

[swift mango]

If it's all black then it's 400 rock on average lol...

[wheat heart]

i can get there with a high blue

[spiral onyx]

You can search my message history for where I did all the math

[swift mango]

I counted and it's 2 blue 2 black lv7 a distant for 24.7 lol.

[wheat heart]

yeah i have the two black and two blue, but one of the blue's is a low blue so it just missed

[swift mango]

I mean black line is 1%.

One reset is 1 rock

Then it's 100 rock on average for 1 black line.

400 for 4.

It's simple math lol

[spiral onyx]

Unless the rates changed (which they might have), it's not 1% for black line. There's different groups and each group has it's own rate

But yeah, it's not necessarily 4 black lines

[swift mango]

The rate showed in game though.

Did the game dev lie to their players?