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[spiral onyx]

You can use the test matrix in the pins for some example team comps

[icy wren]

The what?

[keen vapor]

Again, we don't know what you're facing

[spiral onyx]

The pins in this Discord channel

[icy wren]

I dont see why that matter but okay here u go

[icy wren]

Didn't see nothing that says test matrix

[keen vapor]

I'm bad at battleship I can't fight blind

[median flare]

PVP resources links
tier list, test matrix, burst gen calc, etc: #pvp-arena message
Burst gen charts: #pvp-arena message
Investment
Favorite Item priority by Keripo
#pvp-arena message
Mechanics
How Distributed Damage works? by Munch
#pvp-arena message

Keripo Characters initial pvp analysis
Rumani: #pvp-arena message
Mari: #pvp-arena message
Rei A.: #pvp-arena message
Ein: #pvp-arena message
S.Sakura: #pvp-arena message
B.Soda: #pvp-arena message
Kilo: #pvp-arena message
Bay: #pvp-arena message
Emilia: #pvp-arena message
Mprivaty: #pvp-arena message
Moran: #pvp-arena message
SBS: #pvp-arena message
Xmica: #pvp-arena message
Syuen: #pvp-arena message

[icy wren]

Ok I just ask someone else cause I have no clue what your talking about

[keen vapor]

[spiral onyx]

It's the second oldest pin

[spiral onyx]

Thanks for reminding me to write the Cinderella and Grave analysis, kinda forgot

[median flare]

i'm still w8 for your analysis

thanks

[spiral onyx]

I've been too busy playing Throne & Liberty
https://youtu.be/307H6djE-LM?si=kegAx71CgydlfHNt

[icy wren]

Ok i saw it didn't understand what the heck I was looking at, looks gibberish to me. So I'll ask someone else for help in the morning.

Like is a good list of stuff. But that's too much for me to understand what exactly am I even looking at
All I wanted was a good team for offensive and defense thats it. The technicalities, data and percentage doesn't matter to me. Regardless if the team for defense is bad I just wanted to have any replacements cause I don't know what is goood or not

[grizzled bone]

[dim sapphire]

if i have one pvp unit to go 10/10/10 that is not good in solo raid, who would it be in this day?

moran? xmica?

[grizzled bone]

ooh what a question

[dim sapphire]

emilia technically still can be good in solo raid for water.

[grizzled bone]

I might lean towards Moran

we have a lot of attackers for pvp and not as many options for defenders. The ones we do have tend to take a lot of investment. Moran is a good option for damage reduction and not limited

[spiral onyx]

Noise or Moran

I doubt either gets used in PvE

[spiral onyx]

Does Emilia get used in PvE?

[rich quail]

Almost there

[rich quail]

I tried

She shoots kinda slow

[dim sapphire]

what defense you put her in

or u just use for attack

[raven plover]

still no moran

[dim sapphire]

im assuming sanis ?

[spiral onyx]

My Moran is actually my only true maxed out unit

[dim sapphire]

thats pretty well famous team

[spiral onyx]

Aside from Laplace I guess, but I did that just for CP flex reasons lol

[rich quail]

I’m still figuring that out

I have put her on a team with S.Anis and Biscuit

But not much burst gen

[spiral onyx]

Even my Noise isn't max doll'd

[rich quail]

This is what I use rn, but I think it could improve a lot more

I’m still learning on team building

[spiral onyx]

That looks like a 4RL or something team

[dim sapphire]

have u test on attack to see if u can take on those heavy faster attackor

[rich quail]

It’s probably not safe against meta teams like Scar Jack or Emil

[dim sapphire]

since is slow

rip

what about against those slow unit

same rl

[rich quail]

I am still learning on what Moran does

I got her because I’ve seen you and Merry use her

But I don’t know what makes her really tick.

[spiral onyx]

Anything past 3RL nowadays will be easily destroyed by Cinderella + a bunch of random burst gen batteries

[umbral crown]

i do use her...

[spiral onyx]

I'm pretty sure I wrote up an analysis for her

[rich quail]

Rosy I need help

[dim sapphire]

blanc is kind of soft counter to cinderella

[quartz prawn]

can someone explain how jackal link affects ur team positioning and I heard like some weapon types are bad against jackal teams cause of spread burst gen or something.

[rich quail]

Is it in pins?

[umbral crown]

not really

[umbral crown]

[whole shell]

generally a lot of units aim towards P1/P5 initially/continuously depending on weapon type and if it's defending or attacking

for example defending shotguns aim at your P5

rocket launchers aim at P1 and splash P2

[quartz prawn]

So for defending, is it better to put jackal in position 1 or 5? Im guessing we do this because it spreads the dmg two the two other units jackal is linked to for increased burst gen?

[whole shell]

jackal is a unit that wants to get hit to trigger her S1 which also gives you burst gen, so you want to position your units where enemies target the most frequently

yes, basically

[quartz prawn]

ah so I just want to see what atk teams my enemies are mostly using, and if shotgun, put jackal p5. if sniper/rl put jackal p1?

[dim sapphire]

mostly p5 and have those linked in p1 or p2

[whole shell]

mhm

[quartz prawn]

I see i see thank u.

[rich quail]

I found it

So… is it bad to use both Moran and Noise on the same team?

I would think they would both be getting Biscuit’s S2 invul

Wait

[dim sapphire]

only defender.

[rich quail]

Noise is supporter

So no problems there

[whole shell]

ye

[rich quail]

So now I need to think of 2 or more burst gen units to use with Moran on def

I prolly need to build Quiry

Wait is Quiry not ranked in burst gen?

I have this little snapshot and no Quiry

Unless I’m blind…

[whole shell]

quiry is mag rl

iirc

[rich quail]

Ah.. ok

So takes longer to rl

Wait mag is fast, right?

I was thinking of clip sg

[gaunt viper]

I tried the one squad you recommended with Cindy and it was close but a no go. thinking I'll try the Emi one only now 🤔

[coarse lake]

their scarlet is too strong for you run run a godcomp-lite

and you have only 1 source of sustain anyway

it also looks like you might be in deficit, either that or their scarlet has so much ele that emilia counters are responsible for like half the dmg your linked units took

just use a noah biscuit with sustain, not very many accounts can do a proper biscuit-less godcomp

[grizzled bone]

when you have no water dps...

like me

[grizzled bone]

mag means they empty the whole magazine to reload

[rich quail]

Oh… so that’s slow?

I think there is clip rl, right?

[gentle pumice]

hi guys, can you recommened me an offense and defense comp with my box?

This is what I'm running rn

[swift mango]

Just do a Blanc+dps team and adjust it to be 0.5RL slower.

[grizzled bone]

yeah basically clip means they can load some ammo and shoot if they need to without having to load everything

[gaunt viper]

standard blanc+dps is what exactly? im not sure which squad comp it is 😅

[swift mango]

You will just have to figure it out yourselves. Their team is 3RL, you want a 3.5RL team that doesn't feed them to 2RL. Or a 2 .5 RL team that feeds them to 2rl.

That's something other would be hard pressed to recommend for you.

[gaunt viper]

i guess its just more experimenting then

[swift mango]

Yeah

[gaunt viper]

alright ill try and see how that works, it was an attempt, not a good one, but an attempt nontheless on my part

[swift mango]

Noah+Noise+Cindy+Biscuit+Emilia for this case. And pray your Noah could tank it all. Very high chance in my book.

[gaunt viper]

this was with the squad you showed, didn't fair well on my part

[bleak latch]

seem like cp gap/investment gap in this case

ur emilia nuke don't seem to hurt them at all

[swift mango]

Emilia can't really survive under Scarlet s2.

That team is kinda pointless because Emilia nuke without buff is very weak.

[gaunt viper]

thats how it seemed tho i figured to try what they had recommended anyway

[coarse lake]

are you checking your teams for cp deficit

[gaunt viper]

yeah, its about 60k

[bleak latch]

no surprised

[coarse lake]

number doesn't matter, % is what matters

you need to make sure all teams you're cooking here aren't running into deficit

[swift mango]

Yours/theirs > 84.6% or 0.846

[bleak latch]

experiment with weaker team -10lv below

[swift mango]

It doesn't matter for 2nd video he showed though. Emilia would die to Scarlet regardless.

[gaunt viper]

im OL on 2 more units rn to help cp padding

[coarse lake]

just post your team and their team in the matchup screen before you fight

[gaunt viper]

rn Noah and Emi full OL, Noise 3/4, Biscuit 2/4, and Cindy 0

[coarse lake]

that one should be fine

[swift mango]

Maybe use some skill book on Cindy. And OL her later

But you could try it now

Put a doll on her too

[gaunt viper]

what cubes should i have? i was advised earlier to swap emi to quantum, have noah at quantum, noise and biscuit with vigor, and cindy with tempering. should i change some around?

[coarse lake]

highest lvl cubes in general, unless adj makes a diff on who gets taunt between noise and noah

[gaunt viper]

cindy just at 7/4/7

[swift mango]

Cindy with Vigor. Noah with Vigor or tempering.

[coarse lake]

although emi runs a risk of literally dying before you can burst

so prob vigor on her

[swift mango]

Noise with Vigor or tempering m

[coarse lake]

quantum won't do anything here

[swift mango]

You want your team to be above 393650 though

Some lower level cube could drop it down below that.

[gaunt viper]

well shoot i was 200 below that

[coarse lake]

post your roster sorted by cp

gotta stop using cindy if possible

enough feed to make them nuke fast enough, and makes you lose the sustain fight due to wasted invuln

[rich quail]

And Cindy has no OL

[coarse lake]

also your noise is mistimed

prob need to make her p5 in the future to avoid drawing aggro

bruh

why would you even use cindy over bscar

[gaunt viper]

i was recommended to use her

[swift mango]

To be frank, just use quantum or Resilience on Noise and you would reach that threshold.

[coarse lake]

[gaunt viper]

from blood

[swift mango]

You was above 15.4 deficit there.

[coarse lake]

hmmm

actually you tried sbs comp before

inconsistent speed-wise

prob need to go for 2.5rl team

your noise is higher atk than biscuit right

[gaunt viper]

yes she is

[coarse lake]

Noise/Noah/Biscuit/Bscar/Jackal

check for CP, if you got enough CP, give jackal quantum

noise vigor/tempering, whichever highest lvl

although jackal would also steal invuln

your emilia doesn't have 21% total CS right? just to make sure

[coarse lake]

can't guarantee that it'll work

if you can burst before linked units drop below 50% then maybe, what cs is your noise and noah total each

[gaunt viper]

shes got 3 5% OL lines

[coarse lake]

15% charge speed from overloads?

[gaunt viper]

yeah

[coarse lake]

what's her S1 lvl

[gaunt viper]

4

so 10.28%

[coarse lake]

what lvl is your quantum

[gaunt viper]

5 rn

[gaunt viper]

turns out i never got any cs OL lines

my emi and SBS is 20k CP difference btw

[swift mango]

Your team won't reach 2.5RL regradless unless other RL has CS too. Or you used Clip SG

This is no go from the start

[coarse lake]

to reach 2.5rl on your teams, you basically gotta use jackal or just not have enough dmg

the rng comp you won previously is prob your best bet

unless you wanna try true god comp

actually your noise and noah both got ammo, prob won't work

[swift mango]

Just try this again without deficit this time.

[coarse lake]

if you can avoid cindy triggering invuln, yeah that could work

[gaunt viper]

so the Noise/Noah/Biscuit/SBS/Jackal is a no go then

got one last attempt before gem

[coarse lake]

your noise will be main target, so jackal will also trigger invuln

[swift mango]

It's good too if you can avoid Jackal triggering Biscuit

[gaunt viper]

hmmm so guess we just try other comp with higher CP then

[coarse lake]

although

could bet on getting enough feed and rl splash with a p1 linked

bscar/noah/biscuit/noise/jackal

pray you get enough feed before noah taunts them

and that the rl splash is enough feed

while also not taking too much dmg on jackal

a lot of ifs

the cindy comp from earlier but enough cp and vigor on cindy is prob your best bet atm

[gaunt viper]

i could try it again tho idk how well itll go

[coarse lake]

if you do that though

noah/biscuit/cindy/emilia/noise

do that order, your noise will have a chance to survive

[gaunt viper]

rn vigor is on emi, noise, and biscuit

[coarse lake]

give vigor to cindy

and noise, the rest can go with highest lvl cube

[gaunt viper]

from who, only got lvl 5

gotcha

[coarse lake]

whatever needed to reach enough cp

you prob can't prevent cindy from triggering invuln

due to them outspeeding and nuking, but if noise lives then you might still have a chance

[graceful grotto]

u won this?

[gaunt viper]

i could OL to bring CP higher either Noise glove or Biscuit helm/glove

[coarse lake]

with a proper god comp it doesn't matter if they're 2.5rl or 2rl, since I'm also 2rl

[gaunt viper]

nope

[coarse lake]

you just need enough to not reach deficit

[graceful grotto]

scarlet with blanc is tricky

[gaunt viper]

ik but ive got resources so i could give more padding if necessary that way

[coarse lake]

then OL noise for more stats

and cindy and emilia

[bleak latch]

to beat that team you'll need to burst faster than blanc giving indomitable buff to scarlet

[coarse lake]

if you get too much CS on noise you're fcked

[bleak latch]

if blanc active her buff then you have no hope

[coarse lake]

what prevents you from running a true god comp is your noah and noise having ammo

both need to be 6 ammo to work optimally

[swift mango]

He did that already, not enough damage. because Cindy no OL

[coarse lake]

cindy prob in deficit that time

[graceful grotto]

can still win with RL team tho, since RL team has slower attacks they proc scarlet's counter less

[gaunt viper]

she was

[coarse lake]

but still, trying to outspeed gonna be hard with how delayed cindy is

[graceful grotto]

but very rng reliance hahaha

[coarse lake]

if you wanna roll both noise and noah off any ammo lines you can try true god comp

[swift mango]

He did outspeed them

[coarse lake]

assuming that comp is even in cp range

[bleak latch]

scarlet s2 proc was not the problem here her normal attack with blanc buff + indom is still issued

blanc buff still lethal tho

[coarse lake]

I think their blanc triggered before cindy did all her dmg

[grizzled bone]

Wow Eon cooking

[graceful grotto]

if they're 2.5RL blanc will still proc her buff tho

even with 2RL ain't it?

[coarse lake]

either try the cindy comp but properly ordered and not in deficit, rng your previous win, or roll ammo off both noise and noah for true god comp, those are your options atm afaik

[gaunt viper]

well giving noise OL brought it up by 8-9k

[graceful grotto]

ur team will still end up with scarlet getting the buffs tho

blanc's buff i meant

[coarse lake]

cindy and noise got vigor?

if so give that a shot

also still no CS on noise right?

[gaunt viper]

got vigor on them and no CS

[coarse lake]

ok give that a go

if noise survives your odds are decent

[gaunt viper]

there was another issue it seems

[coarse lake]

getting outsped? yeah

[coarse lake]

bruh wot

hmm

[bleak latch]

not enough burst gen

[coarse lake]

they bursted even faster

[graceful grotto]

both are 3RL

[coarse lake]

no enemy definitely isn't

[graceful grotto]

is scarlet burst gen rng based?

[coarse lake]

don't see a built rumani unfortunately

[graceful grotto]

since her counter help increase burst gen

[coarse lake]

they prob got a lot of quantums or maybe charge speed

normal scar blanc isn't this fast

cindy feed and emilia double splash on linked prob helped them a bit

[bleak latch]

jackal share damge

• herself has high burst gen too

[graceful grotto]

i check with 5 quantum can't even go to 2.5RL

[coarse lake]

you can try Noah/biscuit/cindy/emilia/jackal

will be in time, but no sustain

[coarse lake]

feed

[graceful grotto]

but all RLs tho

[coarse lake]

cindy feeds quite a bit for an RL

[graceful grotto]

ah icic

[coarse lake]

same with emi due to hitting both scarlet and rh, both are linked

[bleak latch]

thing is cindy has pretty bad burst gen

[graceful grotto]

but even if 2.5 RL, if your team is 3RL, noah can still burst right?

[bleak latch]

with no AOE too

[graceful grotto]

i rmb that Noah has a 0.5RL window

[coarse lake]

if this doesn't work then you really don't have much options without changing your invests a bunch

[worthy knoll]

I went the 2 RL route coz enemy Scar had low ammo, so he whiffs if its not 2 RL

[coarse lake]

god comp should win, but requires 0 CS and 0 ammo on noise and noah, or at least noise

[gaunt viper]

I'd try it tho I'm outta attempts for the day. also I can't figure out why Jackal and Noise have such a big CP difference

[coarse lake]

oh

jackal setup prob in deficit then

[copper creek]

noah/noise/sbs/biscuit/jackal dont work ?

[worthy knoll]

His Cindy team should be fine if its not on deficit, as long he has enough damage

[graceful grotto]

OL substats and dolls perhaps

both has the same cube?

[bleak latch]

support in general has better stats

[coarse lake]

yeah deficit

[bleak latch]

my case noise still far out place jackals too with both core 7

[copper creek]

lol raise those units, with your box if that team's on deficit my other ideas would be too

[gaunt viper]

dolls are the same, substats differ a little

[coarse lake]

what cp is noise/bscar/rapunzel/jackal/noah btw

[worthy knoll]

Any 3 RL will be Rng

Need to be 2.5 at least

Coz sometimes his RLs whiff coz of enemy Scar low ammo and reloads

[gaunt viper]

426k

[bleak latch]

my old experiment team like 4 moths old

[coarse lake]

426k is good

you can try it as is, but you might not win due to ammo

[bleak latch]

emilia with blanc rh maxwell buff

[coarse lake]

actually give that comp a try as is, for testing

[graceful grotto]

first time seeing emilia 1v5 lmao

[bleak latch]

semi-automatic nuke XD

[coarse lake]

prob have to roll noise off ammo lines entirely so noah steals taunt properly

while making sure neither have CS

[worthy knoll]

#pvp-arena message

This one worked a bit but not consistent

[gaunt viper]

ah that sucks, shes got them on her helm and chest with 3 lines on each

both 68.93%

[worthy knoll]

Coz his Rl sometimes whiff if its a 3 Rl team

[graceful grotto]

high roll noise

[copper creek]

Whiff still happens?

[graceful grotto]

hahaha

[worthy knoll]

Ammo whiff but rng

[copper creek]

wasnt whiffing completely fixed (apart from emi nuke missing if she targets a unit that dies after she fires)?

[worthy knoll]

Sometimes it does sometimes it does not, the whiff by reload

[copper creek]

oh ok interesting

[swift mango]

They could also just have higher charge speed.

And combination of both

[worthy knoll]

It does not whiff on Rl as long they have ammo, but it does on reload, Kara just show a pic below of Noah whiff

[bleak latch]

noah definitely need cs to negate her being bad burst gen

[copper creek]

ok gotchu pikachu

[gaunt viper]

i can roll for it

[copper creek]

this is misinformation

noah is amongst the best burst gen amongst all units

cs on pvp units is done for other reasons

[swift mango]

Biscuit can be sniped before triggering her s2 for 2nd time in this team

[gaunt viper]

so i guess tomorrow i try the Noise/SBS/Rapunzel/Jackal/Noah then

[swift mango]

Use my old positioning would be better

[gaunt viper]

i dont think old positioning would help not getting noah burst off in time

[swift mango]

It would just be the same in this one

In the old positioning, your Noise taunt Scarlet and Blanc.

So her at p2 doesn't give them anymore feed

Than her at p5

[coarse lake]

old positioning has 0 chance at noise surviving burst

p5 has a chance seeing how biscuit barely lived previously

[swift mango]

Well, she could still burst there. Or Cindy nuke wouldn't happen

[coarse lake]

yeah she burst, but died quick

got 1 heal tick from noise and that's it

[swift mango]

but now biscuit have the chance to die quick.

[coarse lake]

yeah that's the tradeoff, but I doubt both can live

[swift mango]

Would you rather biscuit or noise die?

Biscuit is the main tank herr

[coarse lake]

noise dying failed previously

[swift mango]

Because >15.4 deficit

[coarse lake]

biscuit prob can't even give noah both invulns unless cindy and noise both live so cindy stays above 50

[copper creek]

i would probably take my chances on biscuit dying

[swift mango]

Why do you need Noise live so Cindy stay above 50?

[copper creek]

because yeah as eon ^ said, i dont expect biscuit noah to get 2x invul

[coarse lake]

for heals

[copper creek]

but try both, its just rookie

[coarse lake]

if noise dies insta she gives max hp and a single heal tick

which wasn't enough

regardless, seems like there's chance everyone just dies straight up anyway

[swift mango]

Yeah but it would lose if Noah don't get 2 biscuit anyway.

[coarse lake]

noah cindy didn't sustain enough, with cindy wasting invuln

[gaunt viper]

ik its just rookie but id been 1st for 7 months so im just trying to reclaim it 😅

[coarse lake]

noah cindy noise might be enough with noise heals

either way noah gets 1 invuln

[swift mango]

Noise doesn't need to be alive to heal though

[coarse lake]

she does

[copper creek]

doesnt matter, u lose more now u just get more points back from him when u win later

[coarse lake]

prev vid noise got a single heal tick off

[copper creek]

this is misinformation unless a new bug has been introduced

[coarse lake]

when she dies heals go poof

[swift mango]

Okay my bad

[coarse lake]

regardless of noise position, it's at best rng, pray someone lives

[swift mango]

Wait you mean the small hameal after or the first big heal?

[coarse lake]

no better than the original bscar comp, if anything that bscar comp is more consistent

best consistent chance is optimized god comp imo

[swift mango]

The first big health is has more than 50% of her skill there.

[gaunt viper]

thats true tho hes 100+ points ahead ill catch up easy by beating him and tbh it would be nice to figure out how to properly deal with that comp

[coarse lake]

roll noise off all ammo while keeping her and noah 0 CS is the minimum

gonna seem counterintuitive, but cindy p2 might be the play

force her to trigger invuln early

before biscuit dies, so biscuit dying doesn't change anything

so you only need noise to live

cindy and noah live through invulns

unless p2 cindy decoy feed is enough to let them even outspeed noise b1

you need cindy to trigger invuln before nuke, and noise to somehow live

still rng on noise though

you're dealing with rng comps or rock investment for optimal god comp, take your pick, I can't guarantee optimal god comp will work, but imma just say that I've yet to see an optimized one lose this matchup

esp with that close of a sync gap

I win with 35-40 sync lower

[gaunt viper]

I could OL Cindy if it'll help since I assume she will be good in other areas too. Haven't used her much tbh other than arena so far

[coarse lake]

btw is your noise 4/4/7

[gaunt viper]

no, 5/5/5

[coarse lake]

burst invest into noise will help both strats, since more max hp to work with, higher chance she lives

[sweet sluice]

how's cindy in pvp

[coarse lake]

Can also just use Bscar over Cindy, not sure why Cindy fixation

Unless you get Cindy to trigger invuln before nuke so she lives

[gaunt viper]

I don't have a Cindy fixation, it's Blood who was wanting her in it lol

[coarse lake]

Otherwise Bscar in that spot is better

[gaunt viper]

Bscar has 110k CP and Cindy has 60k

tho Bscar is fully invested

[gaunt viper]

I could run this comp then maybe

[coarse lake]

Noah/biscuit/Bscar/Emilia/noise
Noah/Cindy/biscuit/Emilia/noise
My picks for the biscuit setup

[gaunt viper]

ah okay

[coarse lake]

Or try God comp, but unless noise gets down to 6 ammo, not very confident on it

[sweet sluice]

how bout sp arena

[gaunt viper]

they are both biscuit

[coarse lake]

For biscuit comp get noise burst to 7 to increase odds

Yes both variants

[daring gust]

The gem thrower guy give up. Now im gonna be lonely 😦

[gaunt viper]

first comp with SBS and Emi is 453k CP

[coarse lake]

Prydwen's Cindy guide pvp section is pretty good iirc

Yeah both got enough cp, noise on vigor, biscuit as well, Don't give Cindy vigor

[sweet sluice]

i think i need to re cook the team, it's been a while since i touch that

[gaunt viper]

and 2nd is 404k

[coarse lake]

Second comp needs Cindy to trigger invuln fast

Idk if splash is enough

[gaunt viper]

I'll try first one then go for 2nd, Noise is at 5/5/7 rn

[coarse lake]

Is your Bscar tankier than biscuit btw

[gaunt viper]

Bacar has 51k less HP and 10 more Def

[coarse lake]

Huh..

Ok team 1 might lose

Bscar prob can't live

Hmm

Cindy is beefier?

Than biscuit

[gaunt viper]

Cindy has 46k more HP and 300 Def

[coarse lake]

Oh ok, Cindy fixation is correct then

Use Cindy instead of Bscar in t1

T1 Cindy needs to be tanky, T2 needs to be squishy

Watch for deficit in

[gaunt viper]

huh, didn't know that little would make enough of a difference

[sweet sluice]

pls cook for me

[coarse lake]

Need all the hp you can get

Noise instead of Rapunzel

[gaunt viper]

well it'll be a 465k to 404k to should be okay

[coarse lake]

Yeah 404k is enough

[gaunt viper]

tho to use Cindy id need to roll the ammo off Noise no?

or not in this case

[coarse lake]

That's only for God comp

[gaunt viper]

gotcha

[sweet sluice]

how bout def

[coarse lake]

Noise instead of Rapunzel again

Burst with emi in t3, get rid of Sanis, use another burst gen

Blanc/emi/rh/biscuit/centi

[gaunt viper]

well I'll let you know how it goes tomorrow then, here's hoping

[sweet sluice]

cindy team already have noise

[coarse lake]

Oh

Keep Cindy unchanged then

Actually no swap Cindy and Rapunzel position

[gaunt viper]

also btw Vigor on Noise, Cindy, and Biscuit. then tempering on Noah and quantum on Emi unless u think that's a bad idea

[coarse lake]

If enough cp that's fine

[sweet sluice]

i think imma push campaign again before use exp box and up my cp

[obtuse dagger]

what you guys think about this enemy team comp for cindy?

for me its good cant actually beat that unless i do Blanc, Emi, RH w/ 2 high burst gen

[gaunt viper]

did u have a big CP gap for that first fight in the first video?

[obtuse dagger]

about this much

also rumani is very good on PVP i regret that i didnt pull her

[gaunt viper]

yeah i didn't pull her either, I was told to just wait till she came to standard banner

and the reason I was asking about that first fight in the first video is cause I've been struggling to beat that comp in rookie for the last couple days

[obtuse dagger]

thats good too! im gonna wait for her too!

[obtuse dagger]

you also have CP gap?

is it too much?

[gaunt viper]

it's a bit of a gap but not at a deficit

[obtuse dagger]

i dont know the counter yet tho

[gaunt viper]

this is what i was recommended to try for tomorrow

[graceful grotto]

i think one of the deadliest cindy team comp i've seen

involve cindy + burst gen + laplace treasure + noah

even noah sometimes cant save u cause of how painful laplace treasure hits

[obtuse dagger]

oohhh im thinking of Blanc, Cindy, Rapunzel, biscuit, laplace or jackal??

[fervent void]

hows chargespeed for emilia works on pvp? do i have to get 21.5% from her ol stats alone?

[obtuse dagger]

if you can get that charge speed then its best but she already good as is for me

[quick lake]

cs from OL + cubes, as long > 21.5%

[fervent void]

from her own ol only right?

[gaunt viper]

yeah i noticed you beat this comp no problem lol

[quick lake]

Ye, her OL rolls > 21.5%. Can use cube for extra cs

[fervent void]

got it

[obtuse dagger]

ugghh I really want fairy or rumani to build decent 3rd team

[gaunt viper]

I feel u on that one

[upper magnet]

Hi guys , any advice on SP arena team ?

[swift mango]

Do you have any units that's absolutely must be in your teams? Are your top 5 units having much higher CP than the rest?

[upper magnet]

Alice must be in cuz she is the most invested, my current team comp is not based on CP so it's lower CP than rest

This is a high invested 5 units , and pvp unit 's CP

[swift mango]

Alice+Blanc+Maxwell+Anis+Jackal

Centi(quantum cube)+Zwei(quantum cube)+Cindy+Biscuit+Tia

Auto team

If your quantum is only level 1 then move Anis down and put quantum on her.

[upper magnet]

Thanks! I'll try

[swift mango]

If Zwei die often and couldn't burst then you could move Biscuit or Cindy (try biscuit first) there.

Just realized that they will target skip if Cindy at p2, and p1 died.

That's harsh

Just wanted to use use my Bay against Scarlet but my Rookie so suck I couldn't find a 3RL Scarlet at all.

The only one competent Scarlet was the one that could be fed to 2rl...

[upper magnet]

My quantom is level 3 ig it's for anis and jackal , bastion is only level 6 (others lv3), should I consider put it for CP buffing?

Oh well I didn't check well , it's centi n Zwei with quantum

[upper grove]

Hmm I've asked about OL batteries before, but I could also OL scarlet and Laplace (treasured) first. Both are 2/4 helm and gloves. I have no RH yet so I'm using Laplace for Ultra as well. Would OL first them be better? They'd be 4/4 each

[loud sonnet]

Why did the enemy skip cindy even though she didnt go to cover?

[tribal nebula]

Hi everyone, I've been optimizing Cinderella's gear soon and I wanted to know what arena teams I could do (Arena SP) ? I understood that Cinderella had to go to a god team, no ?

[lunar dirge]

I currently using her as a burst dump

[frank ingot]

how do you counter a noise/scarlet/jackal/rapunzel/noah team for rookie?

[tribal nebula]

A Team with Noah and jackal ?

[rich quail]

My opinion: Get your main dps units to all OL+0 at least. That way, you will have the abilities to roll for line attributes, which boosts your stats and your cp.

Afterward you reach that checkpoint of sorts with one unit, you can decide to continue building the dps units you like to OL+5… or start working on building other units’ gears to OL+0. Rerolling lines, working on skill investments, and building up dolls will always be there to do, so you can always work on a specific unit in one way or another.

[quick lake]

Burst 2nd with Noah. Noah should invul scarlet

[calm gull]

or Blanc's indomitability

[quick lake]

Doesnt Blanc indom only 1 nikke?

[calm gull]

the lowest hp nikke

or noah biscuit jackal sanis rapu

[tribal nebula]

I thought Noah/Centi/Cindy/RH/Quiry ? (Need invest in Quiry)

But need help for others teams 😉

[calm gull]

as long as your noah didnt die before burst

i like to pair noah + biscuit,
biscuit make noah hp's cant go lower than 50% for certain amount of time

[frank ingot]

I tried to use mirror but scalter as my dps, its kinda on the edge but I somehow won and it might not look like that next time I use it again

[frank ingot]

let me try this

[lunar dirge]

For defence I just use blanc(because Noah is locked with godcomp s.anis) Cinderella rumani noir centi

[calm gull]

[calm gull]

its my defense comp btw

[frank ingot]

tried it but, still lost

[calm gull]

Sanis didnt manage to kill noise or scar?

damn

[frank ingot]

yes

scar almost dead if another skill of s.anis hit

[calm gull]

ah I see

so close then

[frank ingot]

I'm trying something rn

going to try it 3 times

I won all those 3 attempts with this comp

I might stick to it when I use it

[worthy knoll]

No, 8% is fine as long its max S1. If not max S1, OL CS that total with S1 CS to 21%, no make it 22% just to be safe.

4 lines CS on OL with a total of 17% is for any other RLs except Cindy to do what an Emi21 (8% OL max S1) can do.

[tribal nebula]

Ok thx (but i don't have rumani) what is ur godcomp ?

[quick lake]

How would u calc the burst gen for 17% cs RLs? Couldnt find info on how the burst gen sheet is calc

[worthy knoll]

Its not not there, nor in the calc

But you can just think of it their gen adding to 2.5 RL value

[lunar dirge]

Noah noise Rapunzel s.anis biscuit

It's official name

[lunar dirge]

Just add an extra shot to 2,5 rl mark

Basically, 2,5 rl= 3rl

[quick lake]

Ahh i see okay got it

[worthy knoll]

Like for example a team of
Scar/Blanc/RH/Centi/Jackal

Has a 2.5 RL value of 81%. If your Centi has 17% CS you then add 13.8% to that 2.5 RL value. If jackal also has 17% CS, add 14.2% CS to that 2.5 RL value

So if using that 3 RL team, if you have a 17% CS Centi, if you are fed at least 20 bullets, it can burst in 2.5 RL time coz its already 94-95%. If your Jackal is also 17% CS, its guaranteed to be 2.5 RL even with no feed

[quick lake]

Hmm got it! Really clear example!

Thanks so much!!

[tribal nebula]

I thought try this : Scarlet-Blanc-Liter-Noir-Jackal
Noah-Noise-Cindy-Rapunzel-Biscuit
Crown-SBS-RH-Pepper-Centi

An idea to integrate s.anis ? Any unit to replace liter ?
My box :

[quick lake]

Would probably replace T1 Liter with RH
T3, replace RH wih SAnis

Also T2, is a 4RL burst

T1: Scarlet Blanc RH Emilia Jackal
T2: Noah Cindy T.Laplace (otherwise Drake) Biscuit Noise
T3: Crown SAnis SBS Pepper Centi
All 2 and 3 teams need cubes

[swift mango]

Enemies always skip Cindy a go for the next one on the right if possible at the begin of battle, it's a known bug with her decoy.

[fervent void]

wait, other rl can do it too? and requires total of lower cs?

[quick lake]

Other RLs need 17% cs, while Emilia needs 8% cs OL + max s1 to achieve the same

[loud sonnet]

I don't see emilia in this list

[quick lake]

Oh his original teams didnt have emilia

[worthy knoll]

They can do it too at 17% CS OL, and it's actually more than Emilia coz Emilia21% includes her Skill1. So you just need 8% on Emilia OL if your skill 1 is max

[fervent void]

icic
having lower than 17% / 21% (for emi) doesnt mean anything right

[tribal nebula]

Ok thx for the 3 teams, but who is T.lap ?

[quick lake]

Is your laplace treasured?

[tribal nebula]

Ah ok .... Lol

Thx a lot again, i will try

[worthy knoll]

Yeah kinda but the higher your team average RL CS, the quicker you burst of a mirror of your team than with no CS coz your RL will hit the opposing P1 quicker. 17 / 21% are for 2.5 RL, slightly lower that is like 2.6 or 2.7 but its still faster than one with 0% CS at least

[quick lake]

Time to 4x cs my RLs

[fervent void]

gotcha
too bad we dont get CS from doll

or maybe its a good thing

cant imagine having to sr15 for cspeed

[quick lake]

U alr need to SR15 for reduced dmg taken

[fervent void]

tru but thats too high lv for me for now

[swift mango]

Well, r15 could be easier than 1000 rocks if your luck is shit.

[fervent void]

game hardly give rl doll to me

[quick lake]

💳

[upper grove]

Yeah I'll go with upgrading the dps first for padding. Currently only Cindy and Alice are 4/4 but they have the highest stats by far that way. Thanks for the advice, I'll use all 4 in my arena teams

[fervent void]

magic card are only for skin

[quick lake]

Pvp has been more fun, since I've gotten Noah

Been bricked for 2 years 🧱

[upper grove]

Idk why people are complaining in gacha rolls when they pull Noah

[worthy knoll]

CS works like a 1RL - CS per rl shot. So like if your RL is like

0% CS
Its goes 1 RL 2RL 3RL 4RL....

If it has 10% CS
It goes 0.9RL 1.8RL 2.7RL 3.6 RL....

If it has 16.67% (17% is just rounded up)
It goes 0.83RL 1.67RL 2.5RL 3.33RL...

[quick lake]

Golden pvp math Been asking this ques for weeks and no one knew

[tired coral]

hi, can anyone make me an SP arena team, or is there any online team comps guide for SP Arena ?

[worthy knoll]

Well just to take note, its just the individual timings, doesn't mean if you have an RL with 17% its guaranteed a 2.5RL team. Even if they are fast, if its not enough to 100% BG from them alone, it will still wait for the other lower CS RLs timings

[quick lake]

Hmm thats true as well. So either 2 units with 4x cs timed correctly, or a mix of SGs as well

[swift mango]

To be sure you have a 2.5 RL with full RL team you will need a 3RL team with all or most RL at 17% lol.

[umbral crown]

braining time

[swift mango]

Search the pin of this section.

[tired coral]

ah, thanks man

[swift mango]

Get Cindy to P5 in T2.

[swift mango]

In my T1, you should equip Maxwell with Vigor. If Blanc still doesn't hit Alice with Indom then you could replace Maxwell with Crown.

[gritty current]

Sp arena pls

[signal turret]

Hello I rolled quite a lot on the 2 banners could someone please help me with my 3v3 and 1v1 arena teams

[swift mango]

SP:

DKW+Naga+Rumani+Anis+Cindy

SBS+Blanc+Alice (who ever lower HP B3 in P1)+Centi+Jackal

Scarlet+Viper+Pepper+Noir+Tia

Rookie:

Scarlet+Blanc+SBS+Centi+Jackal

[signal turret]

Cindy...did you mean Centi?

[warm vortex]

Centi is in team 2

[signal turret]

true I'm just 2 iq and didn't know cindy=cinderella :

[nimble root]

If anyone has any ideas I'd greatly appreciate it

[swift mango]

Your account look like it's lagging behind by power lots. So not really anything you could do about. Your level should be 261+ at least to keep up with higher tier diamonds to low tier Challenge in Arena. Assuming you started before Emilia banner.

Rookie you can just auto team and hope to get adequate rank.

Or just

Blanc+Emilia+RH+Biscuit+Jackal.

[silk current]

@swift mango
Scarlet+Blanc+RH+Anis+Jackal (Jackal with quantum)

Pepper+Centi+Rossanna+Cindy+ Noir (have Rossanna s2 up a little)

Noah+Biscuit+S.Anis(resilience)+Rapunzel+Drake
can i ask what's my rookie team is? is it the first? ty

[swift mango]

The first one is good. .. if too low CP, you can just auto team then add jackal

[silk current]

thanks, it's ur team made for me , just wanted to ask to be sure

[nimble root]

So there's no point in even trying? I would need an insane amount of core dust to get 30+ levels

Oh well, guess I won't sweat pvp then. Thanks

[swift mango]

You could try to get higher rank.

[swift mango]

You could look at the guys on challenger 10 and comparing your levels.

I was just guessing

[nimble root]

I'd need something like 300k+ in core dust to reach 260 there's no way I can close that gap lol, thanks for the info

[swift mango]

Top 100 is doable. Unless your bracket is crazy.

Your roster is good enough to build 3 good team.

[nimble root]

Thanks, that's what I was trying to figure out since I'm terrible at teambuilding; was wondering what my best options were with what I have

[swift mango]

Scarlet+Blanc+Emilia+Anis+Jackal.

Noah+Noise+Sbs+Biscuit+Rapunzel

Auto team.

If you are in doubt. I couldn't exactly help much since your investment is screwed too much for Campaign.

Just hope for the best.

The 2 team I provided are pretty competent. Just low CP. Your auto team could be doing better in some case.

They are bad for arena but your campaign team so could auto attack any team below 84.6% your power.

[nimble root]

It's OK, this helps quite a bit thanks. I think I'm on chapter 24 or something I haven't played the campaign in a long time lol

[swift mango]

That's not using Biscuit+Defender.

[swift mango]

Your should be able to stay in top 50 with it if you know where to hit lol.

[nimble root]

For campaign I've just been using crown liter Asuka Alice and Modernia lol nothing too crazy but they've been carrying me through it so far, I think my pve teams are decent enough so I'll start investing into Anis and the others you mentioned for sp arena

[swift mango]

Just throw them together and play and watch the fight to get the feel of it.

Try fighting guys not too much greater than you in CP.

You could read the pins in this arena section to learn

[nimble root]

Will do thanks

[upper grove]

@tropic summit sweet sweet revenge 3mins before reset

[vapid lake]

[frozen mist]

my SP arena rank is wrong

It says i was Rank 14, but im looking at my rank as Challenger 10 o.o

[swift mango]

Sniping last min doesn't do anythinb

But your ego

[frozen mist]

i did it an hour and a half ago xD

[swift mango]

Same thing

It count the point total in 2 week.

[vapid lake]

ranking is based on your chip count not your current rank
you need to hold high ranks for long periods of time to generate as much chips as possible

[frozen mist]

ahh

[vapid lake]

but sniping last minute starts you off at a higher rank at the start of the next season

[swift mango]

I'm at rank 1 with 1 fight left here. Just to to make sure the snipe success sk I didn't attack earlier in the days.

[vapid lake]

now you just pray when next season starts you can hold the higher spot

[swift mango]

Can't hold higher spot since I'm main stay top 1-3.

[vapid lake]

i want to just drop to rank 4 and chill now because spot 3 is a 5 way fight

i don't wanna do the mental gymnastics to keep track of who already did their hits and who's still waiting

[upper grove]

yeah that's sounds miserable

[swift mango]

Try to max out your Arena units and ignore raid and you could be main stay top 1-3. Unless your bracket is crazy.

[upper grove]

number 2 spot is fought between me and another guy. 3-4 are just chilling and basically gave up so we are just alternating between 2 and 5

[umbral crown]

🎈

[tropic summit]

does it count as rank 1 if the rank 1 and rank 2 were whales? if so, i'm in your same boat

[umbral crown]

But im F2P

[tropic summit]

oh noise, good job

[umbral crown]

The whale is C2

[swift mango]

I guess you are the kind of F2P who only buy monthly and skin.

[upper grove]

hurray

[swift mango]

[vapid lake]

there were rats in my bracket so i just attacked the whale in c1 so they can't hit me

there's 2 guys that hit 1 minute before reset

[swift mango]

They are 3 guys who would hit before reset but they afraid to hit me. Because they often lose and see I would online at that time anyway. And just hit the Chinese name who sleep.

[quartz prawn]

[swift mango]

I mean top 4-6 on my bracket all do that lol

[tropic summit]

a classic

not sure i'll be able to hold rank 3 for next season tho, there's 2 whales that are building up their emilia's and cindy

[vapid lake]

#pvp-arena message

[umbral crown]

nope, i just buy skins and thats it.

and skins are just for look

[swift mango]

Well, there are also core dust boxes and gem accompany the skin so not really F2P.

Last time you said you were buying monthly.

Haha

[umbral crown]

rank 1 for sp is based of how many chips you accumulated during the 12 days and how much time you held the spot

[umbral crown]

nope, there are no gems in the skin pass, and if there are core dust the amount is too minimal to be considered

[umbral crown]

nope, i have never bought the monthly packs. i just buy skins from time to time

[glad meteor]

[umbral crown]

if i were buying core dust i would be 301

[glad meteor]

I bought 30 day. But mostly chose skill stuff

[tropic summit]

so neither whale or f2p, but a dolphin leaning f2p of sort 🤔

[vapid lake]

i buy $5 gem monthly only

[umbral crown]

f2p until a good skin comes

[swift mango]

Just low tied spender

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

Idk if I should be proud of the usual rank 2 or the MLB lol.

[umbral crown]

for both

[tropic summit]

how many gems went into this btw?

[umbral crown]

i do not really feel attracted to Cindy but mlb is a good thing

[vapid lake]

i'm coping for RH rerun so all my gold tickets are going toward NY

[swift mango]

I got lucky enough and around 200 pulls + 400 tickets for MLB Cindy + 1 grave.

[tropic summit]

would they rerun RH so soon tho

i need water code nikke from xmas

a specific blonde

[swift mango]

Much better than Rei.A when I went 150 pulls + 400 ticket to MLB her.

Out of pulls lol

she is not even built now

[scenic creek]

got a question on pvp arena rewards
i was top 60, but only got 800 gems, did i get knocked down in the last few hours or is it a bug
the thing still says im dia 6, which was the top 60 spot

[tropic summit]

it's calculated based on points accumulated, not last obtained rank

[scenic creek]

oh ok

[swift mango]

It count the whole 2 weeks of point not what you sniped at the end.

[tropic summit]

e.g. if you were lower than diamond 6 most of ur time, it's likely you didn't get points that represent diamond 6

thus lower reward

[scenic creek]

good to know

[tropic summit]

ratting is already bad as is, imagine if ppl would be able to get ch1 by playing 1 minute b4 reset

[scenic creek]

i just usually don't bother to play the arena, since i get all the rewards anyways (except for the season end rewards)

[swift mango]

I can't really beat the 2 CN guys. Their combined online time are 20/24. And if I hit the rank 1 2 times during that day the other guy would undoubtedly hit me like he knew it lol...

[tropic summit]

there are some players that actively ignore arena, it's not like it's mandatory

the extra gems do help, especially f2p at least

[tropic summit]

i'm suffering from sort of CN alliance myself, i gave up on ch1 and ch2, even if i beat the whale they're actually faster in claiming it than the original owner

[vapid lake]

sit in dia1 if you can tbh, 2000 gems every 2 week is still good

[tropic summit]

i think ch7-ch10 might be possible even on lower investiment, although it depends a lot on ur bracket i guess, those are generally very fleeting positions

[vapid lake]

hmm even if they dont rerun RH, NY pilgrim is sure to be another insane powercreep and it most likely will be a water DPS this time

[tropic summit]

ah yes pls, badly need watah

inb4 siren

[swift mango]

Rapi really need her dough

So that's kinda mandatory

If they don't then I hope for Red Shoe

Ofc won't happen anytime soon. She is too future story relevant for that.

[tropic summit]

ah yes, the

[swift mango]

New year could set predecent to be for Alt if they do Rapi SSR.

Mordenia, RH and SBS are all alt

[swift mango]

Red shoe did nothing wrong! 🥺

Except kill a few hundreds people for the greater good. Nothing a common war heroes didn't do. 👍

I have a theory she should be together with Enikk now as Enikk also sending Nikke out to be corrupted.

[grizzled bone]

hope everyone got the ranks they wanted

and if not made your rivals gem hard

[tropic summit]

got the only rank that was left

[grizzled bone]

bronze 1?

[tropic summit]

fortunately no, meant the only spot left in 1-3 ch range

although on my old account im probably bronze

[upper grove]

I got my rivals to spend gems

[grizzled bone]

[tropic summit]

making bank $

[vapid lake]

i think like two people spent gems to try and take my spot

the rest are just rats that attack 1 minute before reset

but i can fend them off now

[tropic summit]

sick strats

[swift mango]

I will try to not spend gem on impulse this new session. Not like I need to spend gem to stay r2.

[tropic summit]

last famous words

[swift mango]

I know their online time inside out. And only the 2cn guys out level me right now.

Only when I attack the r1 too much that I ended up sniped lol

[tropic summit]

meanwhile i'll have to play dodgeball against the many emilias

[swift mango]

Guess ur account basically bricked for arena! 🤣(My account without Noah and Jackal though... 🥲)

[tropic summit]

the good thing is that you could find them, i don't think i'll ever come across emilia

[swift mango]

Easy, just put a knife on Shift up CEO head.

Joking aside I will get Jackal anyway in new year last. And Noah can be ignored somewhat functionally. So I will be fine.

[tropic summit]

you'll find em both, just a matter of time

it's quite likely shift up will release game breaking PvP nikke in the near future anyway, as they give 0 fks about balancing

[swift mango]

They will when CA became a thing. Right now they are focusing on power crept raid.

They still have no idea of balancing Arena and not making people quit game due to it.

Ban pick could be nice option though. Raid they have boss acting like weather system. Arena had none.

They need to make money from CA though or it's not worth opening it.

S.Arena is already enough bait for whale to buy core dust.

And Raid already enough bait for whale to spend money on pull for MLB.

With release of CA they will need to sell much more module block.

That could make some people rage quit.

[tropic summit]

hmm but isn't CA essentially still a myth? was there any actual information released so far?

[swift mango]

There is icon for it so it's a thing. But like Dorm system in Arknight never came out of BETA even after 6 years.

It could be too

[quasi prism]

@terse abyss https://i.gyazo.com/b72bfa5dfdc57e1a2380b018aa28a299.png

[terse abyss]

Got #1 wonder who got 3rd

[grizzled bone]

it was me

[quasi prism]

either ko or razor

I cannot beat ko at all

I'm working on my s:anis ol gear now

her boots should be ol'd tomorrow

maybe later tonight? but I'm out of stone's atm because her helm rolled ammo and I said nope

🤣

[gaunt viper]

here's the verdict. 465k CP to 416k CP

I'm wondering if I should put quantum on 2 other units to get burst up quicker or something. got 1 on Emi rn

[gaunt viper]

result posted above in case you were curious

[rich quail]

Looks like you caught opponent Scarlet on reload

Judging from the clips you provided @gaunt viper for now it doesn’t look like their Scarlet is invested for S2

A heavily invested Scarlet is capable of taking down a whole team when they receive indom from Blanc

Dunno if you’ll fight this person often from here on out, but it seems to be something you can keep in mind in the not-so-distant future

[umbral crown]

Even that will not be enough, people slready stacking them since they csn get many from kraken

[gaunt viper]

it's for sure someone I'll fight often since the last couple days they've been first without competition 😅

[rich quail]

Then deffo keep this in mind until you see them change Scarlet or their team altogether

[gaunt viper]

should I put another quantum on someone to help burst a bit you think?

[rich quail]

It was Quantum level 5, right?

[gaunt viper]

yeah lvl 5

[rich quail]

I think Agent Eon gave you advice on cubes, and I would stick with his advice for now. But level up the Quantum Cube to give it more slots for other units down the road

And I’m not sure but I think the cube is up for one more upgrade for burst gen? I have to check on that, but it could help a little more

If fairly serious about pvp, getting Quantum to lvl 8 seems to be the play

Cube level 7

[coarse lake]

Ok nice

Real close, Cindy almost didn't invuln in time

[gaunt viper]

I know he gave advice on cubes but I don't know if this is cutting it close to no burst

[coarse lake]

Make her squishier

[rich quail]

Quantum goes up from 3.5 to 4.66 at lvl 7

[coarse lake]

Give Cindy lower lvl doll, or no doll

Just make sure cp is enough

[gaunt viper]

well rn she has lvl 5 SR doll

[coarse lake]

I mean cube sry

[rich quail]

@coarse lake What do you think about his situation with burst gen about Cain’s team

[coarse lake]

No chance unless he makes 2.5rl or faster team

But then you got sustain issues

Only true God comp gonna have both

[rich quail]

I saw that opponent’s Scarlet doesn’t really capitalize on indom after initial burst, so you may be right

That sustain may be the play to have until Cain can have units that can make it a 2.5 rl team

[coarse lake]

As long as Cindy and noise live he should win until the scar changes ammo

Noise is prob fine unless crit, Cindy gonna be close

[gaunt viper]

Cindy real close

[coarse lake]

Oh wait

Forgot they got rh

Swap Cindy and Noah position

As long as rh extra gen doesn't let them speed up too much, Cindy invuln guaranteed

[gaunt viper]

can do

[rich quail]

The Scar barely misses the ammo amount needed to do decent in S2 indomed, don’t you think?

I remember that my own Scarlet was at 36 ammo, and our friends here told me that was barely under the amount to really utilize S2 well

So we can hope the opponent will not change that for a while

[coarse lake]

Yeah scar has bad ammo

[rich quail]

Hope he’s not smart then

[upper grove]

currently my def teams statwise are:
T1 188k, T2 153k, T3 156k. I could CP pad T1 up to 238k (just a regular campaign team w/o good pvp synergy), T2 stays the same (scarlet/jackal) and T3 would go up to 180k while still being a good team (Noah Biscuit Noise Cindy Laplace). Should I change?

[rich quail]

What’s the cp pad team?

Just curious

[upper grove]

T1, only laplace and alice are padding, the rest are Bay Moran Centi

How much ammo should scarlet have? Mine only has 31 atm

[worthy knoll]

Imo its still risky.. if that Scarlet critted, there wouldn't even be a B1

You guys are taking chances on Noise being alive

[coarse lake]

Best chance he got unless God comp

[coarse lake]

Is Bscar tankier than noise

If you wanna throw a few rocks at noise so she has 0 cs and 0 ammo, it prob doesn't take much

Idk any noise comp where she actively wants ammo anyway

[worthy knoll]

Can you try this again, the team on the link, but Noah, Noise, Biscuit, Centi with adjutant cube

#pvp-arena message

Also I wanna see the whiff in case it fails

[glad meteor]

Reminds me of my suffering a while ago

[rich quail]

Seems like a nice team. I’m not an authority on team builds, but you have some burst gen with Centi and Laplace, Moran and Bay offer some added def buffs… solid imo

[rich quail]

I have one max ammo line that I tried to reroll this morning, and it gave me a higher percentage

[rich quail]

That Scar reload once again

Feels comical

[upper grove]

Yeah the team is okay and 3 RL afaik. I'm just wondering whether to make it a full cp pad team which has roughly 25% more stats but no pvp synergy whatsoever. Then Laplace could replace my lower stat Noir in T3 for another nice stat boost

Then I could just focus on getting more stats in T2 and T3

[gaunt viper]

all of them with Adjutant?

only lvl 5 cube rn

[worthy knoll]

Yeah all

Except SBS

[gaunt viper]

Noise has 50k more HP and 500 Def

[gaunt viper]

I could only do up to 3 tho with cube

[worthy knoll]

Mmh okay replace Centi to Emi

[rich quail]

I would keep it as is

I’ve fought non-synergy cp pad teams on deficit

It can be beaten easier if they have weak links, like a single b1 or b2 in a precarious position

[glad meteor]

• Emi is feeding more gen
• cindy decoy is giving rls more gen

They burst quicker than they shoulf have

[worthy knoll]

Adju the other 3 aside from Emi

[worthy knoll]

Eon wanted Cindy to get Biscu S2 I guess hence the position

[glad meteor]

I see

[bleak latch]

Emilia Nuke

[gaunt viper]

so something like this then?

[worthy knoll]

Noise at P5

Noah Biscuit SBS Emi Noise

Also was this on penalty?

#pvp-arena message

[gaunt viper]

it might have been but tbh I can't really remember

[gaunt viper]

[worthy knoll]

Mmh, no whiffs

It was 3 RL

But it was still slow

Can you try normal Scar instead of SBS 🤔

[glad meteor]

Emi going against jackal made me invest in centi. Her feed just adds up

[worthy knoll]

[worthy knoll]

Okay this might seem weird but try this, SBS Emilia Noah Biscuit Noise

[gaunt viper]

I'll try again in just a little

[whole shell]

Need a team for this or something?

Oh wait no you won

[rain dagger]

Ok what the hell

I can’t beat this guy I even copied the team and still lost while being 100k over them

[glad meteor]

Becomes a cs race if you mirror

[worthy knoll]

You have Makima?

[rain dagger]

Sadly joined just after chainsaw man

[worthy knoll]

Rosanna built?

[rain dagger]

The normal one?

[worthy knoll]

Yeah

[rain dagger]

I do not I have not been informed she’s good

[worthy knoll]

So we go the slow route then using Crown

You have SAnis at least right?

[rain dagger]

I yea on of my strongest

[worthy knoll]

Try Noah Crown Moran SAnis Biscuit

[rain dagger]

Ok I’ll give that a try

[gaunt viper]

you were right, it was weird

[worthy knoll]

Oof even with Noah on a closer position its still not enough

[rain dagger]

Crap I just remembered I don’t have Moran I pulled but never got her

[worthy knoll]

Noise is fine as long Noise CS > Noah CS

[worthy knoll]

It really is a matter of Charge speed

[rain dagger]

What does CS mean not familiar with that abbreviation?

[rich quail]

charge speed

[rain dagger]

Aaaa I’m dumb

[worthy knoll]

Are you on penalty if you use this team Noah Centi Noise Anis SBS?

[grizzled bone]

counter-strike

[gaunt viper]

no I'm not. 465k to my 412k CP

[worthy knoll]

Give Noah and Noise Vigor, and lets test that, if Scarlet can solo wipe 5 units with Noise buff. I think we have a chance since its a low ammo Scar 🤔

[gaunt viper]

rn Centi and Anis have Quantum, SBS has Bastion. btw this is last attempt I got for the day

[worthy knoll]

Yeah that is fine

Its should go they damage Noah, then Scarlet Blanc go to Noise, then Noise Noah SBS burst blocking scar slash

SBS wiping other except a Scar making it a 1 v 5

Its now a question if their Scar enough to obliterate 3 defenders 1 supporter 1 attacker with Noise buff

[gaunt viper]

[worthy knoll]

Oof theirs can

Noise and Noah already with Vigor right?

[gaunt viper]

yep

[worthy knoll]

Is your Noah CS higher than Noise by just 1% CS?

[gaunt viper]

nope, neither have any CS lines

[worthy knoll]

Yeah I think that is your problem 🤔

I think something like 4.92% CS on your Noah should be enough

[keen vapor]

What is better

[worthy knoll]

In terms of getting gen fast, Noah having higher CS is better

[keen vapor]

[coarse lake]

Just go with Cindy tank strat imo

[worthy knoll]

[coarse lake]

And rng for no crit

[umbral crown]

A world where your waifus exist

[worthy knoll]

And pray for no crit

[coarse lake]

Or remove all ammo from noise and run God comp

[keen vapor]

Agh, more rerolling

[coarse lake]

Honestly at this point if you got a few rocks, reroll off ammo

[worthy knoll]

Well the slowness of his gen when fighting 3RL, just having 4.92% CS on his Noah should work

[coarse lake]

Shouldn't take much, prob 3-4 rocks

[umbral crown]

[keen vapor]

10

[umbral crown]

X100

[coarse lake]

His noise has 2 ammo lines iirc

Should be ez

[umbral crown]

Mine has like 3

[worthy knoll]

Coz the RH burst animation and Noise showing up are kinda close already

#pvp-arena message

[coarse lake]

If you wanna go cs route, better make sure noise and Noah got the exact same cs, or else you'll mess up other comps

Way more expensive than just rolling off ammo

Plus I wanna see someone else try god

[keen vapor]

So I guess this should be gone first

[worthy knoll]

Eh its fine, just don't bring Noise when its an SBS bursting team

[coarse lake]

I'm literally the only recent user

With Noah buff Bscar god is 2rl against that comp

[worthy knoll]

Specially if SBS is at P1 P2

[keen vapor]

So I roll?

[coarse lake]

Depends if you want to run God comp

Noah noise same cs, both no ammo is optimal imo

Can give both a lot of CS, but still same amount of you wanna do cs at the same time

[umbral crown]

Part of the new generation of pvp players

[keen vapor]

If it can make me win why not

[coarse lake]

God comp is the OG lol

I'm the only one who didn't move on from it

[worthy knoll]

~~Then Scar died, RH survived and do a RH Blanc RH ~~

[umbral crown]

[coarse lake]

Scar won't die

Noise/Bscar/Rapunzel/jackal/noah

[keen vapor]

Of course

[coarse lake]

Block nuke, post invinc Noah sacs herself, rest heal through

[keen vapor]

You can't get rid of ammo when you don't want it

[coarse lake]

Noah with ammo is technically fine I think

As long as she has a lot

Like 12 at least prob

[keen vapor]

Why so much?

[coarse lake]

She either reloads same time as noise or she never reloads

[worthy knoll]

That can't survive a RH buffed indomed RH burst though. No heal can stop it without Biscu

[keen vapor]

Ah

[coarse lake]

Any other timing endangers god comp due to taunt switch

[coarse lake]

Rh is never gonna be b3

You don't have the DMG to kill p1 scar, there's no Rosa

[keen vapor]

SON OF A

[umbral crown]

Leave it

Cp.pad

[keen vapor]

Sorry Eon, the game really doesn't wants me to use your fav comp

[keen vapor]

[umbral crown]

[worthy knoll]

I think something happened before where it was expected Scar to burst but somehow Scar died when SBS B3 first but RH is alive and it became and RH indomed burst

[keen vapor]

The worst pad is that Alice is starving for ammo she only 11 now

[worthy knoll]

I just don't remember who it was and what server I saw that

[broken vault]

need help to update my sp arena

[keen vapor]

Btw, is noise with 5s in skills/burst fine?

[rain dagger]

@worthy knoll thanks that team worked

[gaunt viper]

I'll just go with that strat and once I get unlucky or I keep getting unlucky I'll do God comp. gotta roll off the 2 max ammo on both Noah and Noise then?

[frank ingot]

can u guys help me to build a pvp team
this is all of my unowned nikkes

[upper garden]

A team? So it's rookie I assume
Noah scarlet centi jackal emilia

[jolly maple]

sort by cp we can't go blind by recommendation but low cp

[hollow eagle]

SP def
Noah Centi Pepper Cinderella Laplace.T
Blanc Emi RH Biscuit Anis
Scar Noir XAnne Rosanna Jackal

[jolly maple]

but most of the time we low in cp

[frank ingot]

my account mainly build for pve tho, so pvp nikkes are low cp :/

[frank ingot]

however, let me take some screenshot about this

[graceful grotto]

let me guess, noise or s.anis?

[hollow eagle]

check pins, scroll down to read more pvp resources, you need to invest to be able to use some of nikke listed

[keen vapor]

Noise

[graceful grotto]

the one time when you don't need max ammo, they gave u blue stats

[frank ingot]

almost my nikkes :/

[upper garden]

With that level u could just auto sort highest CP and most player can't beat you

[frank ingot]

nah bro

[jolly maple]

well you definitely can't use laplace no way she's treasure with that cp

[upper garden]

Unless your arena have alot of high lvl and well built pvp

[frank ingot]

i'm stucked at diamond 1-2 for years

[keen vapor]

Alice dead

[jolly maple]

no worries I just drop to that tier last reshuffle me hoping good bracket next reshuffle

[frank ingot]

[jolly maple]

replace laplace t with biscuit
put noir with the gap

[frank ingot]

my top 10 at special arena are both 441+

[jolly maple]

mine is 455-461

[frank ingot]

have 500+ too
at the very top

[jolly maple]

well that some ceo level

[frank ingot]

moreover, I just got noah recently, that's why I want to build pvp team again :/

[jolly maple]

be like yenah put srlvl0 doll on key pvp support

[frank ingot]

I see

[grizzled bone]

🎈

[coarse lake]

Huh.. ig it's technically possible if Bscar is giga stonks and kills before they can b2, never seen it happen or even close to it though, if no jackal then I can definitely see it happening

No chance it happens here bc of how fast the scar team bursts imo