pvp-arena

[tropic summit]

ok taking a look now

don't have biscuit right? as i don't see her

[high vapor]

@tropic summit heya! Here's the video as promised.

[still fern]

that is everything i have

[swift mango]

Noah+Pepper+Centi+Cindy+Jackal

Scarlet+Blanc+Emilia (Vigor)+
Centi+Jackal

Jackal+Lv1mast+Cindy+Rossana+Noah

[tropic summit]

team 1 and team 2 are your bread winners, team 3 is filler until you get your hands on some other meta nikke, once you land biscuit for example you could turn that in a better sustained team

[still fern]

thankss <333

[tropic summit]

watching it now

@high vapor remind me, you got noah right?

[high vapor]

yeah

[tropic summit]

so what we could do here is time it that you hit noah burst to soak most of their dmg letting emilia wipe everyone but jackal, then kill her after 5 seconds

or approach it differently with SBS

as long as it's a 2RL and not a 1.5RL or we might be too early

i'm thinking of the following:

need to calculate the burst gen first tho, it must be 2RL and not 1.5RL

[high vapor]

should I remove my burst cube?

[tropic summit]

although it's really fascinating that biscuit applied her skill on death

you'd assume that if 1 hit ko she can't cast

[high vapor]

Yeah, I call bs on that one

[tropic summit]

ikr

[swift mango]

RH+Emilia might lack dmg so beware of that too.

[tropic summit]

yeah... that's another concern

atm i've these 2 in mind

[high vapor]

Yeah, I got cooked

Time to try tomorrow

[tropic summit]

wasn't 1 hit ko this time?

that's nasty

[high vapor]

yup

[tropic summit]

[modern sky]

what are the counters to biscuit+noah?

[swift mango]

I think they were 3 RL and you were 2.5-2.7 RL in this video... You were a bit faster than them. You could try to go a bit slower somehow so your Blanc would last longer.

[high vapor]

Aight, I'll try without burst cube.

Tomorrow.

[tropic summit]

you want to either prevent them from bursting all together or have enough sustain to get past their stalling

[swift mango]

Oftenly, Blanc+Emilia+RH

[glad meteor]

Jackal splits the damage 3 ways so no one shot

I think

[tropic summit]

where did the other biscuit invulnerable go tho? you'd expect 2 units would survive then 🤔

unless one was popped pre burst

[glad meteor]

Assume noah triggers it pre burst

[tropic summit]

uh reasonable

[swift mango]

Also a 0.5RL slower Noah team if you could make it somehow...

Or stall team.

Or Rossana sarc comp to make them unable to burst.

Or nuke it with 1 RL faster.

[tropic summit]

i've rewatched it slowmo, it seems like noah never went below 80%ish HP

this was half a second before their burst starts

with emilia wipe you'd expect both noah and jackal to survive with invulnerability, yet...

[tropic summit]

this, i don't explain

[swift mango]

Jackal has damage share so it could cut her dmg down. And biscuit trigger somehow.

[tropic summit]

scratch that, this is a team i'd skip in sp arena

[swift mango]

She doesn't share dmg with Noah so she died instantly

[tropic summit]

oh i get it

[modern sky]

don't have noah/Emillia or RH, do have rossana

[tropic summit]

check how your team would do with rosanna in, if your CP is 15% apart it would lose sense tho

[swift mango]

Mast lv1 doesn't mean you couldn't equip her with lv15 blue doll and OL gear lol.

Especially the gauntlet

[swift mango]

I guess that team is doable with Jackal+Mastlv1+Centi+Rossana+Cindy lol... Just make sure Cindy 2nd highest atk

No need for Noah I guess

If they tried to cheese it with SG then they are still screwed because of Jackal feed.

If they shot RL at Jackal then they also screwed because Regen cut by half.

Truly ultimate bully team if you are much high CP.

Well they could use their own Rossana to counter I bet.

[modern sky]

team I tried it with was scarlet/cindy/blanc/rosanna/jackal

cindy kinda has to stay in else the combat power deficit goes

[tropic summit]

scarlet blanc and rosanna together with cindy

burst gen had an heart attack

[modern sky]

like who to remove to put an anis in or someone for gen

[glad meteor]

Noah isn’t jackal linked so she can get one shot as the damage doesn’t get divided in to 3 for her. I think

[tropic summit]

yep seems to be the reason, thanks

[tropic summit]

well either you commit to scarlet or to cindy, both together is... a challange

who you wanna burst with?

[modern sky]

probably cindy since she keeps the team combat power higher when she is in

[tropic summit]

i think if you wanna pull off the rosanna, you might want to opt for scarlet, as cindy is hungry for burst gen as noone else

[modern sky]

deficit gets too high if I remove cindy

[tropic summit]

oki

post what the enemy team looks like for reference

and then let's see what we can do with the CP

[modern sky]

Higher than his team I can get np, I even burst first but the team just doesnt work

his is this

[tropic summit]

oh wait

that's slow af on their side too

[modern sky]

yup

[modern sky]

[tropic summit]

so you could actually get liter to kill herself on scarlet

[swift mango]

And I though you were a whale

[modern sky]

no giga carried

[tropic summit]

no more liter, no more burst

get scarlet X X X jackal, anything in between with focus on battery and possibly a burst II with bonus atk%

liter will kill herself on scarlet, you'll burst, then just get noah and biscuit to waste invulnerabilities (5sec + 5sec)

if you REALLY need to get cindy, then drop out scarlet and get 3 batteries (RL clips) and 1 SG clip

[swift mango]

A 3rl team would win easily....

Opponent is 4 RL.

Just bring

Scarlet+buffer+buffer+Centi+Jackal.

[modern sky]

no centi

[swift mango]

Either Liter killed herself on Scarlet or the whole team got wipe

[tropic summit]

emilia, anis, rumeni, drake, noir, laplace (treasure) got any of these?

[swift mango]

Scarlet+random bs go+Anis+Jackal

[tropic summit]

indeed random bs go is the right word here

just make sure it's battery

(and CP)

[swift mango]

Nah just make sure it's not 2 DPS with higher attack than Scarlet(edited)

[tropic summit]

@modern sky before you start the match show us the lineup in case

[swift mango]

Because Scarlet+Cindy+Cindy+Anis+Jackal should still be 3rl

[modern sky]

generator shouldn't be b1 right?

so jackal can do hers

[swift mango]

Doesn't care anything should do, just not 2 nikke both higher attack than Scarlet

And don't put Cinderella is P2 if you could help it. Just don't

[upper grove]

end of season and everyone is out to get me

he just hit me AGAIN

[tropic summit]

gotta touch dat booty

[modern sky]

I can try rapunzel ig
wait why no p2 cindy?

[tropic summit]

post what your lineup would look like for reference

scarlet centi cindy rapu jackal is what you going for?

[modern sky]

I dont have centi guys

[swift mango]

Because would make their RL Regen 1.25 time faster.

Cindy at p1 would make their RL Regen 1.75 times fast.

[modern sky]

p4 cindy then? keep jackal at 5 put anis 3

[swift mango]

P2 is still fine but I'm not sure. P1 is not recommend. P3-4 is fine. 5 is good but Jackal want that slot.

[tropic summit]

scarlet centi anis cindy jackal
or
scarlet centi cindy anis jackal

as blood said earlier, make sure scarlet is either 1st or 2nd top highest in terms of atk%

(that's for jackal buff to apply)

[modern sky]

ye already sorted who has higher atk, thats why I wanted to put in rapunzel cause she is the easiest rl I have for me to drop her atk under jackal

[swift mango]

If you use Cindy then Scarlet will be top1-2 highest no need to worry about it.

[tropic summit]

how the CP look like that btw? what's your number vs theirs 🤔

[modern sky]

its an 9% diff

[swift mango]

Attack Under SCarlet not jackal.. just use whichever

.,.

[modern sky]

[swift mango]

My bad lol...

[modern sky]

oh lol no worries

[swift mango]

Man that one line wasting lots of time here.

Very sorry 😔

[modern sky]

don't worry about it, you are helping afterall

[upper grove]

I'm tired of this, not gonna spend gems when season ends in less than 48h

[modern sky]

ok lets try that ig

[tropic summit]

ah yes, the gem warriors

[upper grove]

roleplaying John Wick

I mean, it's 11 PM here so I don't feel as weird being online but I got hit 5 AM and 7 AM Korea time

[modern sky]

the plan did not work

[tropic summit]

you don't understand, what an average korean does before drinking water and eating food, is turning on their nikke and playing arena

[swift mango]

How?

[tropic summit]

what

tell me you recorded that

[modern sky]

only scarlet did burst so

[modern sky]

nah I never record

[upper grove]

that's reasonable

just like hitting me at 4:55 AM to rat my spot

[tropic summit]

sick strats

[swift mango]

Ah I could guess this is what happened.

Your Scarlet isn't strong enough. The wipe was so weak here.

[modern sky]

yup

[tropic summit]

need to fill your scarlet with power up juice

although we could go for plan B @swift mango

[modern sky]

[swift mango]

Screen shot your box man

Would be much easier

Just the first page by power would do.

[modern sky]

I already did

[tropic summit]

i can see the light in the tunnel

how invested is that SBS

[modern sky]

like 20ish% more than scarlet

she needs work

[swift mango]

SBS+Blanc+Liter+Anis+Jackal

Blanc+Rouge+Cindy+Anis+Jackal (quantum on Anis+Jackal)

Ah no need for quantum...

The 2nd team should nuke them to oblivion. The 1st should survive with 1 HP.

[modern sky]

we try 2nd then

[tropic summit]

record it

[swift mango]

How was it?

[tropic summit]

that's a long blanc indom if anything

[swift mango]

Eh he also have Noise.. could just use Noise instead of Rouge...

[tropic summit]

better burst gen too, for what it matters

[modern sky]

much better

[tropic summit]

aye let's go

[modern sky]

cindy burst was da way all along

[swift mango]

Ah shit Blanc died

[modern sky]

calculated*

[swift mango]

Could do Noise+Blanc+Cindy+Anis+Jackal next ime

Noise will link with Jackal and stay alive

@modern sky

Ofc keep using this if you invest in Rouge for campaign.

[modern sky]

Got rouge like 2 days ago so she parked at 7/4/4 for the time being

[swift mango]

Ok

[modern sky]

will get her higher and geared though ye

well thanks lads, appreciate it 🤝

[swift mango]

So since it's already help I would go to the end.

For campaign use:

Cindy+Rouge+SBS+Blanc+Modernia

By this same order.

[tropic summit]

SBS is also good for farming the rocks

[modern sky]

campaign liter+blanc+modernia+cindy+noir carries me in any deficit so far so we good
till rouge is invested

[modern sky]

am building her up slowly for rocks ye

[tropic summit]

aight, fill em up with power juice 👍

[swift mango]

It's the best team you could make right now so aim for it.

I mean the one I recommend

[modern sky]

Cindy burst during boss spawn deletes literally anything and deficit doesn't matter, so I keep her parked in campaign team
she is also my most invested nikke atm

[swift mango]

Modernia could burst when needed, and put into p1-3.

[modern sky]

mod p3 for auto, she burst for trash waves and cindy boss spawn

[swift mango]

Deficit will matter when you get higher level. Don't worry they will one shot you with normal attack if you clear faster.

[modern sky]

by that point rouge and sbs will be built

just need time

[swift mango]

You could get to map 17 in one week if you play hard enough.

[modern sky]

I got to mid 23 in 1 month of playing

[swift mango]

That's good.

[modern sky]

as in, brand new account
did get very lucky

and sp arena am perma p2 in my group

[swift mango]

If you want to keep building Liter then fine. She gonna be needed in 18-33 Hard mode.

I'm stuck there because no built liter.

Need to wait some level so I could use Liter unbuilt to clear it...

[modern sky]

c1 in sp arena is currently 100k+ combat power than anyone else in the group

we aint catching up anytime soon

and he got every meta arena char

except event ones afaik

[swift mango]

The main thing is there level not power. What is their synch level?

[modern sky]

211

[swift mango]

Yours?

[modern sky]

180

[swift mango]

Not that impossible to catch up unless they built their pvp nikkes.

Or open their wallet more.

But take the lose for now

[modern sky]

he has rh/centi/noah/jackal/biscuit/scarlet/noise built

for pvp nikkes

ye just being parked in c2 is still 3k gems so its w/e

[swift mango]

Those are hardly worriesm And by built I mean full OL x4 and purple doll.

That's hard to pour out for the likes of Anis unless they choice to be pvp maniac.

[modern sky]

judging by cores, he swipes quite a bit
which seems to also be mat packs so yeah

[swift mango]

We all have a whale like that in our bracket.

They often focus on PvE and neglected their arena units because of power gap

[modern sky]

yeah idm as long as I stay rank 1-3

my bracket has been pretty stagnant for the past 3ish weeks

the top 3 anyway

[swift mango]

Now it's easy if you had arena knowledge and help here. Later on it would be harder. With merge bracket and people starting to OL arena units.

[modern sky]

not looking forward to that

[swift mango]

So you will have to make choice. OL your arena units or stay c7-10.

Simple at that.

And focus on raid

Then after awhile more drop to diamond.

That's how it is

[modern sky]

whales keep the lights on so all g

[swift mango]

Whale is rare. It's mostly people who clear fast and efficient with arena investment that's on top in common bracket.

That one whale won't take much by himself

[vapid lake]

U'll know after a few months who the whales are when their levels are 50-100 higher than the next highest below them it's hard to tell at the start

[modern sky]

[vapid lake]

They usually jump 10 levels after every event after they buy packages

[tropic summit]

it's becoming clearer each month in my bracket

dude who was 30-35 levels behind is now past me of 15 levels and growing apart

[swift mango]

I'm very glad my bracket was chilling with just one guy 30-40 level higher than the rest...

Dude seemed to stop making bigger distance. For months now.

There were actually 2 bigger whale than him, the real one at the started of my bracket. They were around 50+ level higher at only 200~ range but they quitted

Lol

[tropic summit]

only had 1 quitter so far, sure hope my remaining whales will quit at some point aswell

nothing against them, but they're pretty much occupying a spot for gems they can get in less than a few minutes anyway

[swift mango]

There are lots of inefficient level up in my group.

I should be at 5-6 level higher than now if I didn't pass on buying extra tries for core dust boxes in my first 3 event because I was priority saving for Collab and wall break. And yet not much peeps in my bracket higher level than me.

The very first one I started less than a week left before it ends so couldn't be helped. But the other 2 should make most of them 5 level higher than me.

Oh well

Good for me I guess

[bleak shale]

when enough people quit u just get shifted over to the next whale bracket

[cinder inlet]

Anyone available to help me cook some teams for PVP? I can shift my synchro around if necessary. I've also attached my most successful rookie and SP teams, but I know I'm missing something in PVP. I think I should be doing better than I am even without Noah, who refuses to show up for me.

[vapid lake]

Echo where are u

Someone's waiting for a meal

[cinder inlet]

daddy plz

[keen vapor]

I'm busy in 1 hour

[grizzled bone]

pad your biscuit a bit more for cp and invest in emi.
you also have defensive options in bay and moran

pair your scarlet with jackal for optimal use
bursting with tia might slow down your burst chain
sanis doesn't boost cindy damage, having both on the same team just lowers your speed potential
noise as your only b1 on t3 makes it pretty vulnerable without any heals or backup

[keen vapor]

Should I pad my Noah

Please help MA citizen

[grizzled bone]

how's she looking right now?

[grizzled bone]

you are MA citizen too

[keen vapor]

Like this

Grave is only lower bc she's missing one overload

[keen vapor]

But I need help

[grizzled bone]

Noah doesn't really need skills beyond 4/4/4 so if your OL is fine then you could invest more in skills

[keen vapor]

But Centi and Jackal are way higher

[grizzled bone]

well you have only 1 copy of Noah

[cinder inlet]

I took sanis out of my cindy team and threw in rapunzel, I took Jackal from T1 and put her and Sanis in my Scar team, is that a good move? anyone you would recommend on my t1 to fill that last slot while i'm trying to get Moran built a bit? or is there a better b1 i should use in that team?

[keen vapor]

[grizzled bone]

compared to your centi and jackal

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

Red Hood is your B1 there

[cinder inlet]

I thought about that. so she b1, blanc to get indom. and then she b3. Would Emi fit well in that team if I got her a little more invested?

[keen vapor]

Actually, yes

[grizzled bone]

Is your Nero invested?

could try this for now:
Scarlet-Blanc-Liter-Noir-Jackal
Crown-Biscuit-RH-Emi-Centi
Nero-Noise-BSoda-Viper-Rapunzel

[keen vapor]

Nero

[grizzled bone]

its a hp sustain comp that's still 3 RL

but probably wont work without investing properly

[cinder inlet]

My nero isn't very invested because I was mostly trying to get my PVE team through the campaign which i've finished now, hence the focus on PVP now.

wait Echo, is your union Swoli?

[glacial lion]

sth wrong with noah atm? she not taunt rh

[raven plover]

redhood and alice ignoring taunt happens a lot yea

[river moat]

hi...can anyone help me with 3 teams for arena

[gaunt viper]

Worked out beautifully, thank you

[glad meteor]

Happens to other nikkes too. It’s just that Alice and redhood target p5 so it’s more noticeable

The taunt debuff will work though.

[gaunt viper]

it's been done, posted it a bit above

actually the 2nd time the burst was too slow and everyone but noah died from scarlet

[glad meteor]

Whiff probably

rip

[worthy knoll]

Did you record that?

[worthy knoll]

Ammo whiff still happens

[gaunt viper]

no sadly, i didnt anticipate that to happen

[glad meteor]

Yep, scar 30 ish ammo lol

[gaunt viper]

it seemed like everything was normal at first until burst was taking too long it seemed

[glad meteor]

Rocket whiff rng, you bursted later since scar went in to cover and the rockets whiffed

[worthy knoll]

Do you have Emi?

[gaunt viper]

huh, i didnt know that was a thing actually, the more you know 🤔

[gaunt viper]

emilia? yes

[worthy knoll]

How built is she?

Skills, dolls, OL lines

Ahh F, be back in 8 minutes I forgot I was rushing a games dailies

[gaunt viper]

shes just got rare doll with no levels just yet but i can put some. skills are 4/7/7. Ols are mainly charge speed and some atk, ammunition cap, and elemental

[gaunt viper]

no rush, i went through attempts for the day on a few other opponents too

[river moat]

Hi Cain would you be able to quickly put together 3 teams from my nikkes

[worthy knoll]

Mmh you can try this and check if your unbuffed Emi nuke is enough against them. Noah Biscuit Emilia Centi Noise

Just don't forget to place Quantum cube to Centi at least

[gaunt viper]

ive got quantum always on her 😅

[worthy knoll]

Yeah just making sure

Another team you can try is Noise Jackal Cindy Emilia Noah

Quantums on Jackal and Emilia at least. Much more sure if Noah has it too

[worthy knoll]

Oh right this team assumes your Noise and Emilia are highest atk and are linked to Jackal

[gaunt viper]

i will say tho my SBS is way more invested than Emi, lvl 15 SR doll, 10/7/10 skills and full OL lines. id be kinda surprised emi would do better for nuke against them

[gaunt viper]

noah ive always just had tempering on

[worthy knoll]

Yeah its not a must

Just better if she has quantum on that comp but it should be fine prolly without

[gaunt viper]

thats fair, ill have to test both and see what works better, quantum only lvl 5 rn

ill put on all 3 to start

[worthy knoll]

Coz we are aiming for at least a 20 ammo feed, and if no quantums on all it might not be enough

[gaunt viper]

tho rn Cindy only has skill invested, no OL as of this moment

[worthy knoll]

Usually an unbuffed Emi nuke is enough as long enemy has no Noise buff and Biscuit, I'm not sure is 4/7/7 is enough tho

[worthy knoll]

It should be fine, just raise her hp as much as you can on the non OL equipments

As for skills priority is skill 1 and burst

[gaunt viper]

btw i might be able to help but tbh im not exactly suitable to give best judgement compared to others in here 😅

[gaunt viper]

as of rn Cindy is 7/4/7

[worthy knoll]

It should be fine, we have Noise there anyway

[river moat]

all good i just wanna give ranked a shot

[gaunt viper]

also Noise and Emi have the highest atk

[worthy knoll]

Yeah thats how it should be

[gaunt viper]

sounds good, ill try it out tomorrow and hopefully things go well. thank you very much!

[gaunt viper]

also i can OL but i wasnt sure if i should 😅

[worthy knoll]

This how it should go when using the Emi team.. the close fight is just simply the opponent is max cores in their RH and Scar while the attacker is not. In your case you'll prolly have it easier. Just the question if your Emi is enough to do the same. The nuke is important coz Emi usually dies after releasing the nuke.

[north flower]

Who is awake to help me improve my teams?

Lol

[bold tulip]

oof

[gaunt viper]

alright ill keep this in mind 🤔

ty for going out of your way to show an example

[bold tulip]

need help improving my sp defense team, also have enough resources to build up rumani or other nikkes

here are my current defense teams, appreciate it

[void pendant]

Greetings, does having this item help in pvp?

[bold tulip]

yeah it helps you with cp padding

[void pendant]

ok, thanks.

[gaunt viper]

Noise, Viper, Harran, Rapunzel, Tia,
Jackal, Grave, Cindy, Alice, Anis
Liter, Pmaid, Quency, Rosanna, Nero

[gaunt viper]

keep in mind im sure there are bound to be better squad comps others may come up with but this was what i could think of with my limited SP squad building knowledge.

[river moat]

ty

[junior mesa]

Is Cindy new meta for pvp?

[grizzled bone]

she's viable in pvp, yes, but not the end all be all of meta

[storm quail]

How you think this defense will work in rookie

Jackal links with Noise and SBS

[grizzled bone]

you're already using some of the common "meta" teams

might be time to try a moran-sanis-biscuit comp and use cindy

[bold tulip]

yeah I was just thinking how rumani or cindy can change up my team

[gaunt sentinel]

another peaceful day

btw should i swap anis with rumani?

[upper grove]

I don't need any dupes for silver mileage so I just bought Noah

[grizzled bone]

• looks like you have Moran already decently built, might want to lean into that [Moran-ASS(SAnis)-Biscuit is a life-steal comp]. Moran can also be used in HP sustain stall comps [e.g. Moran-Noise-B3-Rapunzel-Flex, etc.]
• Cindy is already built. You could put her in a god-comp easily but if you choose a different line up keep in mind that she has bad burst gen and can be target skipped in P1. Also her decoys feed enemy burst gen most of the time
• You could work on your Rosanna OL lines, she might not be sniping units at your bracket level but that's expensive [40%-50% to be safe]
• Rumani could help with burst-gen but I dont think that's really a problem for you

[bold tulip]

thanks for the input ill try it out thanks

[grizzled bone]

If resources aren't a problem you could also mix it up with Nero, Makima, and Quiry most players won't really know what to do with them when they're in proper teams. But their optimal teams are all pretty much HP stall teams and would be expensive to upgrade

[bold tulip]

yeah a bit resource gated right now but itll be nice to have some extra options

[grizzled bone]

your Jackal is linked with Noise?

[storm quail]

Yes

[grizzled bone]

talking out loud... so Noise will get a Def rate up... wouldn't hurt?

it will be 3RL speed... SBS will do off burst dps

weaknesses would be:

• Emilia nuke
• Rosanna delink (not end of the world) but sniping would take out Jackal and SBS
• 2RL or a Noah block/sustain

Cindy doesn't really need a buffer you could drop Noise, place Noah in P1 and place Biscuit in there for extra protection. Would still be 3RL.
or
go full 2RL if your CP doesnt take a huge dive

[storm quail]

2RL won't work, most of my batteries aren't OL'd yet

Can try the biscuit route

[bleak latch]

testing out fast burst team and not end well

[whole shell]

well, what do you expect with unbuffed scar nuke

[grizzled bone]

Of course that means no healing either so if biscuit doesn't work you could put noise back I guess

[tender badger]

can someone help me understand the term of nikke.gg PVP analysis

What is RL burst mean ?

also the header mean and different value it give 2 RL 5 SG what does that mean ?

[grizzled bone]

Nomenclature for burst speed. In pvp speed is a very important thing to take note of

[grizzled bone]

The chart is basically the different values of burst gen that the calculator uses

[valid fern]

we need to do a better job of explaining what "RL" is tbh. And imo it should be at the top of the pins and not buried under a bunch of other niche crap. I remember when I had to go digging deep just to understand this shit when all somebody had to say was that its just a unit of time.

[tender badger]

so 4 RL mean twice as fast the 2RL ?

[valid fern]

twice as slow

1 RL is basically 1 second but not exactly, it can be slightly varied with charge speed

[tender badger]

what so when to use 2RL number and when to use 4RL number then ?

[valid fern]

when it say 2RL under that chart it means how much burst is generated within two rocket launcher shots, so like 2 seconds. For example Anis will generate 28.4% of your burst bar in 2 seconds = 2RL = 2 rocket launcher shots.

[tender badger]

ok make sense

so watch the 2 RL number in general

[valid fern]

you use the different numbers depending on how fast you are aiming to full burst. most teams try to aim for 3RL. 2RL is harder to achieve.

but generally the faster the better

[fervent void]

anyone have recommendation for rookie def team?

im missing moran, rumani and bay only

[quick lake]

2RL Scarlet or SAnis team should work. Scarlet Noah Redhood Centi Jackal

[fervent void]

for def rookie?

[quick lake]

Yep

Can use the above comp. Made edits

[fervent void]

what would counters that team btw
the guy who keep attacking me have better CP

im afraid they will use SG or something to delete my scarlet rh jackal

[quick lake]

Probably just need more CP. If there’s a CP penalty, not much you can do

[fervent void]

nooo

[quick lake]

If u want, u can doll them up to SR0/5 for the dmg reduction

[fervent void]

im not ready investing to pvp yet

[quick lake]

Defence kinda impossible

[fervent void]

hmm is there a good team without using jackal? the penalty + jackal share dmg is the issue i think
too bad we cant see a replay of our def

[quick lake]

Can prob send ur roster, sorted by Cp

[tender badger]

is there any team comp that can defeat this combination of enemy ?

itcan take so much dmg

and outliving the attacker team, is that was the perfect def team ? of course it sacrificing 2 other team so usually i will fight other team and win, but is there any way to defeat this mega sustain team ?

[fervent void]

i think i used that team before (the opponent) and got beaten by weird comp

if i remember correctly, noah biscuit rh sbs... forgot the last one
her SBS kill my entire team

[tender badger]

my SBS is fully decked with 4 atk and 4 anomaly (curse you level 7 Golden Kraken) so probably i can do it then

[quick lake]

Might run
Jackal Noah Scarlet Centi Laplace
Quantum cubes anywhere

With ur high sync, about time to invest in pvp

[fervent void]

but my pve units ol still suckk

[strong hull]

Try this. I stolen from pvp chat

[fervent void]

oh using sbs?

[quick lake]

Changed to Laplace, cause more CP

[fervent void]

okay will try

[quick lake]

giga invested into pvp units here

[fervent void]

one day i can use that

[strong hull]

I meant you can use rn

If it work then it work.

[fervent void]

no moran

also my emilia and rumani brick

[quick lake]

Probably lose 40 syncs worth of CP

On the low side

[grizzled bone]

Guys seriously. Stop using this as a guide. Keripo made this while on the toilet as a thought experiment

To prove a point

[strong hull]

Understandable

[grizzled bone]

Theres a reason why it's not pinned lol

[strong hull]

Its pretty fun to try at least

[quick lake]

The teams actually look okay. But gotta invest in fringe units

[grizzled bone]

Yes the teams can work

But they're beatable

And you need limited units with high invest

[storm quail]

Dunno of its relevant but your Cindy is at pos 1, and will cause enemy skip her and attack Noah, who also taunt, causing them to technically have slight faster burst gen

[fervent void]

where should i put her? i just create that team for fun
surprisingly fast

[storm quail]

Anywhere other than pos 1 I think

[fervent void]

just switch with noah?

okay

[storm quail]

Yeah should do

[rustic sandal]

need a pvp team anybody down to help

[graceful grotto]

cindy prolly go pos 4

[graceful grotto]

u can send the roaster here

[vapid lake]

I see people put her at pos 5 most often to eat shotgun fire

#pvp-arena message

[graceful grotto]

for her tank?

is it worth it unless is a stall team?

[vapid lake]

As long as u don't put her in pos 1 it's ok

[graceful grotto]

for rookie:

Scarlet Blanc RH Noir B.Soda

[vapid lake]

If she's in pos 5 she takes no damage because they shoot her decoy

[graceful grotto]

honestly for SPA while u can build 3 team, ur roaster is quite limied to have any huge significant

[rustic sandal]

damn

[vapid lake]

I don't think the enemy team actually target skips cindy when u place her in pos 1, they just shoot her decoy (the decoy is positioned inbetween 1 and 2)

[rustic sandal]

maybe after christmas i have will more units for teams

[vapid lake]

But the decoy still is an additional feed

[graceful grotto]

it doesnt but since rl will hit pos 1, her decoy will give enemy burst gen

[raven plover]

champion arena after shuffle?

[swift mango]

I have a record with they hitting P2 when I put her at p1.

I could record it again if you think they fitted the thing.

Try putting Cindy at p1 and fight to see yourselves if you want

[swift mango]

Please stop talking about things you don't know

If you can't be bothered to spend 10 second to test then don't talk about it as if you understand s*.

[swift mango]

I already tested and post the clip more than a week ago. Above is the clip I just do 1 min ago. Look at the dmg on centi.

And the gun firing at her.

[clear depot]

Hi guys, can anyone reccomend me a defence team for SP Arena?

[graceful grotto]

I literally says she prolly won't be target when in pos 1

Learn to read

[swift mango]

Yes because we can't grammar her.

[swift mango]

In before you edit

[graceful grotto]

RL will hit pos 1 cause splash

Sure sure

U can try harder

[vapid lake]

No need to be so aggressive

[vapid lake]

Chill

[swift mango]

The other guy said,

"I don't think it can hit p2"
You said

"It doesn't"

Anyone with English know that it mean it doesn't hit p2 in your sentence.

[graceful grotto]

Dude woke up on the wrong side of the bed apparently lol

[graceful grotto]

Him: I don't think enemy team actually target cindy

Me: it doesnt

[swift mango]

Nah I just hate people saying misinformation and be high and mighty about it.

[graceful grotto]

Where is your brain

[swift mango]

Probably more than yours

[graceful grotto]

"all high and mighty"

Also him: s* lol

[vapid lake]

U can correct ppl without sounding like an ass

[graceful grotto]

Okay kid

[vapid lake]

Chill

[swift mango]

The kids joke because you are in the wrong but doesn't want to admit.

[vapid lake]

It's my fault ok just call me dum, stop fighting

[graceful grotto]

Nah there's a block button mate

That exists lol

Now idk what he's typing so he can rant to himself

[quartz prawn]

Lmao dad vibes

[vapid lake]

Now i feel attacked

[quartz prawn]

i sorry

[vapid lake]

The first digit of my age increasing by 1 next year

[graceful grotto]

But the second digits reset

[swift mango]

Well it's good to be older, now you can use that when other call you kid.

[vapid lake]

I want to be a kid again man

[swift mango]

Same

[unique wagon]

No the other guy said he thinks she doesnt target skip Cindy, and he said it doesnt. its ur fault.

He meant the attacker doesnt target skip Cindy

U just have reading issue

Or U just misunderstood

But likely its because ure not a native english speaker

Misunderstandings often happen that way

[loud sonnet]

Its reshuffle time again huh

[graceful grotto]

Time to snipe again

[unique wagon]

Sad im comfy here

[graceful grotto]

I checked back and read back and realise my wording could be better, grammatically it can be misleading

[loud sonnet]

Just remove the only hard whel in my current bracket I'm good

[graceful grotto]

I'll apologise for that, but dude is still an a

[graceful grotto]

Where my comfy chair 😭

[loud sonnet]

This guy

i can take everyone but him

[graceful grotto]

Wow his CP is also really high

47 level more dayummm

[quartz prawn]

Just whale things. Those 3 max core

[graceful grotto]

How's 2b in pvp nowadays?

In high rankers

[loud sonnet]

Meh

easy to counter

[swift mango]

Your roster could barely get to 2 x 3rl team. But it should be fine at your level to get c10 or d1 at least.

Scarlet+RH+B.Soda+Noir+Maiden

T2:
Grave+Anis+Neon+Cindy+Drake/Harran/Quiry.

Or Grave/liter+Anis+Neon+Products 23+Cindy (to tank SG)

The 3rd goes auto team. Could add left over Drake/Haran/Quiry/products 23 for burst gen.

For Rookie:

Scarlet+Blanc+RH+Noir+Anis (Anis and Noir want quantum cube equiped)

Or just auto team.

You asked this question before I think. But maybe you aren't convinced that your roster isn't good for the arena because you see tier list and think you have some high tier units so it couldnt be that. But they are all B3 and you can't make a team with that alone.

[raven plover]

ser we have 2b but better, cindy

[tropic summit]

ye but cindy needs so much burst gen that i might aswell sell a kidney

[raven plover]

2b doesnt need it?

[swift mango]

Well Cindy is also tanky that she could survive unbuff or 1 buff Scarlet alone. That could make her stay in 3RL team and could still beat 2rl Scarlet.

[tropic summit]

yeah it sucks but at least it isn't 0

[tropic summit]

true on that, although first i'd need to commit building her up to even rival my current scarlet and p.maid

[upper grove]

I hope reset puts me with lower stat ppl. First is 100k ahead of everyone and all below C7 have similar stats to mine. The majority of C7 or higher is just CP padding instead of having good teams

[swift mango]

It's like very hard for it to happen. And when it does, you could be in for a bad time when you come back in this bracket again.

The current c5 in my bracket was higher level than me then got phased out for 3 season. When he come back his level dropped and story lag behind so he is lower synch level than me and most others in my bracket now.

Even if he invested in arena units it's barely fill up for that.

Overall story you won't be able to run away forever and the bracket will just sink sink. You will lose it if you get easy for awhile and lagging behind.

[umbral crown]

[coral orbit]

i am a new player. 2 week old account
do i have to worry about the shuffle?

[swift mango]

I doubt it would affect you much.

[upper grove]

Thanks for the headsup. Luckily I'm top 5 of campaign pushers in the current bracket, as long as the new bracket is similar enough I'm fine. I just hope I can keep top 3, at worst top 6

[swift mango]

CP padding is also good strategy though.

My campaign team is currently 450k. So if I see a team at below 380k I can just use my campaign team to auto attack it. No need to worry about team building.

My bay remain today as the Nikke that I could never build

Stuck with her 1/4 for 2+ months now. Use 200 blue mats and 20 purple mats on her just to get her blue doll to lv7.

Basically bricked to use because if I use her opponent can just auto attack my team.

[upper grove]

Yeah I try to pad my units as well, it's just that I suddenly got great PVE units which I have to upgrade and I'm out of mats and gear

[swift mango]

https://x.com/NIKKE_en/status/1858389798299320398

New nikke coming thankfully she is Missile MG likely easy skip.

GODDESS OF VICTORY: NIKKE (@NIKKE_en) on X

【NIKKE PROFILE - Flora】

✅ Manufacturer: MISSILIS INDUSTRY
✅ Affiliation: Botanic Garden
✅ Weapon: MG: Natural Garden

To Flora, everyone appears as a flower. She explains everything by comparing it to what she perceives as an analogous flower. Perhaps this is why her words

Twitter · Nov 18, 2024, 6:00 AM

[upper grove]

yep. This anniversary I pulled crown cindy and scarlet so my resources are all over the place. finally a breather

[lavish basin]

Definitely a wishlist. I got a lot of new Nikke's this anniversary I need to invest in (bold ones are at budget) including Dorothy (7/4/4), Crown (7/7/7), Scarlet (1/1/1), Liter (6/5/4), Cinderella (7/4/7), Grave (4/4/4) (I am satisfied enough with that), and quite some more.

Also, MG in PVP? They better make her have good survivability skills to make up for the low burst gen

[keen vapor]

She could also be bad unit for everything

[graceful grotto]

honestly she's not giving out a very 'strong' aura if u know what i mean so i could totally see this happen, would be funny to be proven wrong and she end up being another ein

[clear depot]

Can anyone help me to build a def for SP arena?

[upper grove]

Out of my tetra defender units, who should I OL first? Moran (I also have biscuit to pair them), or Anis/Rumani as a battery? I only have 1 set of gear

[keen vapor]

Where do you use Anis

[upper grove]

Usually in a 2RL team to attack or one of my DEF teams (2.5 to 3RL)

[graceful grotto]

moran biscuit s.anis anis emilia

noah rapunzel cinderella laplace (treasure) jackal

blanc red hood centi noir noise

[keen vapor]

What's the exact team?

[graceful grotto]

3RL for all, u can swap centi with rapunzel to get 2RL for 2nd team, but 3rd team will get to 4RL tho

[keen vapor]

DON'T PUT RED HOOD IN POSITION 1

[graceful grotto]

i was thinking not to but what's ur suggestion

i wanted indo to give hood indo actually

[keen vapor]

I still have *"

[graceful grotto]

hahaha do enlighten me, i have no hood so i cannot say, would blanc red hood centi noir noise be better?

initially i wanted hood there and have noise tank the attack since she'll taunt

oh wait my bad

[keen vapor]

Problem is Red Hood will steal B2

[graceful grotto]

yeah i totally forget

mbmb, change the last team

[keen vapor]

hu taoooooo

[potent ermine]

[keen vapor]

[graceful grotto]

[keen vapor]

[visual brook]

[umbral crown]

for that you need RH in P2 since RH can do all B1+B2+B3 if she is in P1

[graceful grotto]

yeah my bad, i forget about that, changed the setup

[umbral crown]

Blanc/Red Hood

that way she gets indom

sorry wrong ping

@keen vapor

[keen vapor]

[umbral crown]

did not know we had so many echos here

[keen vapor]

@echo with sopmod

[umbral crown]

nitrado

[keen vapor]

[umbral crown]

[keen vapor]

I got free nitro

[umbral crown]

you would have the boost if so

[keen vapor]

I don't want to lose my green

And server is already boosted by a hundred people

[umbral crown]

you will still keep the green

check the others MAs who are nitro users

[keen vapor]

[umbral crown]

[keen vapor]

[umbral crown]

[keen vapor]

[glacial lion]

somehow i win this with cindy basic atk

[ashen gulch]

I have been summoned.

[upper grove]

my ATK teams are:
T1 Noah Centi Alice/Cindy (depending on if I need CP pad from Alice) Anis Rumani
T2 Scarlet Noise Laplace (treasure) Blanc Jackal
T3 filler/empty

DEF teams:
T1 Bay Alice Laplace Centi Moran
T2 Scarlet Blanc Anis Rumani Jackal
T3 Noah Biscuit Noise Cindy Noir
I don't have enough CP to widen the gap to 15.4%+ for an easy win while attacking. My DEF T2 team is lowest stat wise, then T3 then T1. For T2 I can upgrade Jackal Noise and Scarlet, for T3 I can upgrade Biscuit/Noise, for T1 I can upgrade Centi

everyone has base R doll, Alice and Cindy are SR10-15, Scarlet SR5

In hindsight, my campaign team could actually go for 15.4%: Tia Liter Alice Cindy Naga. Does the positioning matter if I have more stats? Would it be Tia Liter Cindy Naga Alice then?

[half python]

Are people here still okay to help build pvp teams? 🙏

[keen vapor]

Yes yes, is just that it will take me a bit of time, I'm doing the last survey and I need to hear ASMR to answer accurately

[bright mantle]

how do i counter this?

[umbral crown]

[keen vapor]

WE'RE GETTING OFFICIAL PVP TOOLS

Is the third marked

[umbral crown]

that looks pve to me

[keen vapor]

"Squad Burst Charge"

[umbral crown]

[keen vapor]

@rich quail WE WON, WE JUST NEED TO ASK FOR IT

[umbral crown]

[keen vapor]

No it has to apply to PVP as well

[umbral crown]

it does not work the same

[keen vapor]

..... THE PVE HANDICAP!!!

[tropic summit]

not just that, but your noise forgot to die (pre blanc burst II)

[tropic summit]

21% CP deficit, just skip

[tropic summit]

burst gen calculator got powercrept

[swift mango]

This looks like a 4rl Emilia team with only 1 buffers. You would have many options to beat it starting with a 2- 3 RL nuke. To 5 RL Noah. also letting Blanc hit Red hood. But you need to upgrade your units first. Your team power is low for your level.

[clear depot]

Thank you!

May I ask if may it drop the efficiency of the last team if instead of using noir, i put my viper on the team? It would be then: Blanc RH centi viper noise

As for why... It's because my noir is really behind in terms of CP, between my viper(favourite) and noir it is a 30k-35k CP difference

[swift mango]

It's basically the same function if not better CP. Not many people will care for your CP so it's good to make your own edit.

Do it in the future too.

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

You're even NA as well

[swift mango]

Generally speaking. If a recommendation is not having at least half of your 10 highest CP nikke then, chance are, they would be useless for you to use as is.

As your CP could be low enough for your opponent to just auto attack you

[keen vapor]

I would overload Anis then

[keen vapor]

No, positioning does not depend on stats

Is more about specific units like Crown ( ) or Rouge ( ) that needs certains positions for their buffs

[keen vapor]

Auto and hope for the best

[swift mango]

Well I just auto attack one guy with Scarlet+Blanc+RH+Centi+Jackal

With a team not even 4rl

Over 15.4% deficit done leg work

[keen vapor]

Well, ideally you want Centi in Scar Blanc teams so you'll be sure your burst batteries are higher HP than Scarlet

So you might not overload Anis for T2, but for T1

[glad meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-verne-over-the-hedge-turtle-disbelief-gif-24744867

We’re cooked, people will learn pvp

[tropic summit]

people who are playing this game since over at least 3-4 months ought to have learned pvp already, else i've serious concerns

[glad meteor]

Most just chill in diamond

[tropic summit]

which is legit, challanger is tiring due to attack advantage

and the gem spenders

[glad meteor]

The gem spenders and whales

[tropic summit]

my last day of this season will probably see some weird shit

top 5 ranks are all so close in points it's not even funny (estimated column)

inb4 free for all for the rank 2 and 3

[glad meteor]

People only compete with rank 3 and up in my bracket

[tropic summit]

lemme guess, rank 2 and rank 1 have got a permanent guest?

[glad meteor]

Yep

Rank 3 has a kind of permanent guest. Gemmer and pvp main

[umbral crown]

[upper grove]

Alright, so if I overload Anis I can put her in T1 for Centi. For attack it doesn't matter which I OL. If I overload centi afterwards, do I still keep Anis in T1 and Centi in the scarlet team?

[glad meteor]

Rosy is blue now

Certified yapper 🫵

[tropic summit]

gotta type more so i get different colours too

[umbral crown]

means im your besto f2p friendo

[umbral crown]

been blue since like 2-3 months or so

[glad meteor]

[umbral crown]

its just people did not noticed at all since i was pink

[glad meteor]

lol. i didn’t notice for some reason

[umbral crown]

[keen vapor]

Yes

Rosy no longer boost the sever

[umbral crown]

because its your time to do it

[upper grove]

thanks for the advice

[silk current]

Scarlet+Blanc+RH+Anis+Jackal (Jackal with quantum)

Pepper+Centi+Rossanna+Cindy+ Noir (have Rossanna s2 up a little)

Noah+Biscuit+S.Anis(resilience)+Rapunzel+Drake
hello, i want to ask what is the single best team out of the 3? or it depends? thank u

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

Where's your Noise I can't know

It depends on the enemies

On every single one

[silk current]

It was the teams that Blood recommend for me, i'll send my roster again if ur free to help, i'm a returning player but haven't touch pvp so

[keen vapor]

A RETURNER? FOR HOW LONG

[silk current]

I quit after RH came out, just got back when like a week ago

[keen vapor]

your PVP gaming is over

[umbral crown]

https://tenor.com/view/chill-daddy-take-it-easy-calm-down-gif-13696124

[silk current]

I'd admit i am quite cooked on that department lol

[silk current]

Can i hear ur opinions? Uhh give me 5mins i'll open the game

[grizzled bone]

He means that you wont catch up to your pvp bracket cuz you've been away from the game for a year

[silk current]

Oh i see, alright

I don't think i'll ever catch up, but at least i'll wouldn't be much in a bad position

But i'll try to build the team, guess it's ok

[tropic summit]

best hope is that you may hit diamond on all the AFKs or people giving 0 damns about pvp with half assed lineups

but eh since red hood banner is quite some time

also, fml

[silk current]

i think it's somewhere around a year, so yeah

[umbral crown]

[grizzled bone]

Nov 10 2023

[silk current]

wow

that's exactly a year

[grizzled bone]

Yep, from last anniversary kukuku

[silk current]

Here's my roster btw

[tropic summit]

post also the average enemy CP you getting in rookie and sp arena, we can get a clue on how far you could attempt pushing

[silk current]

my regret is that i didn't got RH dress

[umbral crown]

imagine having RH

[silk current]

ok give me a bit of time, doing daily rn

[tropic summit]

RH back is so sore from carrying my sorry ass since month 1

[silk current]

i'm kinda ass on everything rn

[tropic summit]

you're free to choose to continue on ur current account akira, but you might consider restarting from scratch if you actually want a chance on pvp and ranking, at least that's what i did with my old account, as it was still stuck at the lvl 160 trauma wall

sometimes i still have dreams where i'm staring at lvl 160 missing 1 MLB and RNG not giving me the nikke in the wishlist for 3 months

[frozen mist]

@normal tinsel

[silk current]

hm? why does making new account make pvp easier? because of the server or sth?

[tropic summit]

yes you start in a bracket that is based on account creation date

[swift mango]

I didn't even broken the wall with wishlist. Fastest way is just pull to mlb

[tropic summit]

that goes for both server and pvp bracket

[frozen mist]

You will never make it past anyone since you joined so long ago

once you quit and come back its GG, you will NEVER be able to catch up, not even p2w will save you

[silk current]

damnn, so either i pray that the oldbie are also quitting, or i have zero chance of making to the top?

[tropic summit]

absolutely

hence why i mentioned starting from scratch

[frozen mist]

Its pretty unreasonable to expect to be able to compete with people who have played the full year

[silk current]

true

[tropic summit]

to be fair a whale can, slowly, catch up to non whale though

but other whales will be far ahead forever

[silk current]

hmm... idk is pvp that important to the aspect of the game or not really? not to brag but i think my roster is pretty good for a p2w

well... used to anyway

[tropic summit]

pvp atm gives 3k gems on rank 1-3, 2.7k gems rank 4-6, 2.4k gems 7-10, 2.1k gems diamond I etc

[silk current]

oh yh this is before i quit, damn

[tropic summit]

so it's mostly season gem reward

[tropic summit]

200-ish levels apart, gg

[silk current]

rank 1 and 2 have like 500k power differences, jesus

[frozen mist]

the power of the whale

our rank 1 is 2x rank 2 lol

[silk current]

😭

[frozen mist]

Pretty sure theyve spent well over $3,000 on the game

[tropic summit]

either continue but forsake ranking/pvp, which some ppl do anyway, or consider new account if you like to compete

[swift mango]

It's pretty fine to be casual in this game. At most you lose around 2700 gem every 2 week. That's 18 pulls every month. The game reward you with like 100 pulls a month counting standard.

So you will be fine.

[tropic summit]

can't show everyone how large your PP is, but at least it's chill

[swift mango]

Now if you counting solo raid it could bump it to 20 pulls a month

[silk current]

ehhh, i don't think i'll compete, i remember it gives sth other than gems, that's why i play in the first place, but yh thanks for the suggestion man

[swift mango]

But that's not that much.

[tropic summit]

that's perfectly fine, go for it

[silk current]

thanks for the calculations \

[tropic summit]

main attraction of nikke anyway is the 🍰

[silk current]

i'll just stick with your teams for now blood

i'm just not sure what cube or skill priority to go for

it's the same for general uses too right?

[silk current]

well said brother

[silk current]

DAMN

i didn't think that's allowed, sheesh

[swift mango]

You should be able to find nude mod I think

For pc

[silk current]

oh i know where, i was just suprised that kind of GIF is allowed

[grizzled bone]

Pretty sure it's not

[tropic summit]

everything is allowed as long as you don't fear the mods

[silk current]

[grizzled bone]

Remove that GIF please

We enjoy pretty lax oversight here and wouldn't want that to change

[grizzled bone]

Thanks

Most of the team don't check here but if they have a reason to then 🤷🏻

[swift mango]

Is something in like this fine?

[tropic summit]

at least it's nikke relevant

[grizzled bone]

Kek this one is fine

[winged radish]

2B?

[swift mango]

[silk current]

if it was the same as a year ago, the most heavily guard is main channel nikke

[silk current]

yea

[swift mango]

We can still watch this ass in Nikkepedia. So don't be regret if not having her.

[grizzled bone]

Yeah so sometimes even the more lewd community made emojis and stuff will get you a warning/temp mute.

They monitor the more active channels more heavily

[winged radish]

Why can't we get some kind of re-pickup for abnormal characters?

And for skins?

[silk current]

Humongous

[tropic summit]

collabs unfortunately have burrocracy behind them

[grizzled bone]

Cuz money 💰 🤑 💸 😎

[tropic summit]

it's probably legal shiet that prevents it in the first place

[swift mango]

Some game do be like that and Nikke is from Korean. They love to be different.

[silk current]

yep so still the same, i douted they check here that much

[swift mango]

For no reason so long as still making money.

[silk current]

btw blood, your teams just follow the recommed skill priority and cube on nikke gg and i should be good to go yes?

[swift mango]

Not a strong reason because Genshin make more money than then and still rerun.

[regal oracle]

Finally survived a day without getting knocked out of challenger, thanks again

[silk current]

i used to check most of the guide there, hope it still good to follow

[grizzled bone]

Money for licensing though

[swift mango]

I was talking about skin

[winged radish]

It's a stupid type of different for the case of abnormal, they had a repickup for Neon and a Anis the ssr versions

[grizzled bone]

Eh skins they could do but they're probably saving reruns for a rainy day

They don't need to re run them right now

[swift mango]

SSR seasonal re pick up is a must up they want to balance the game. Skin is not

[swift mango]

2 years old skin without rerun is just they want to make them more cash grab. And success in being different.

Nikke as a game is very similar system to those Chinese cash grab and EoS in a 2 years I used to played. Arena, raid ranking. Limited timed rains.

The only things that make it different are higher quality production, Collab and ass shaking.

[grizzled bone]

Yeah again, they're probably saving skin re runs for when they need to make some money

[swift mango]

That they won't. It's already long past that phase. Now it's the "If it work, why fit it?" phase because they already achieve success.

Maybe after long enough and with enough demand they would rerun but that's not really for "a rainy day" anymore.

Just QoL improvement.

[grizzled bone]

Personally, I dont think they'll re run but they definitely have the ability to

[tropic summit]

it was a pleasure, don't get comfy tho and keep striving to improve yourself

[tropic summit]

Fixed it:

The only things that make it different are higher quality production, Collab and ass shaking

we still have broken coop RAIDs with feeders/leechers/trolls and arena has been ignored ever since release, events are kinda fillerish (minus story and voiced segments), minigames are budget chibi.

Gacha that have production value? Let's take a look at games from Hoyoverse and Kuro Games

but Shift Up has gotten quite comfy and ppl are still biting for cheap

now if they did even just a tiny bit of what they did with Stellar Blade but with Nikke, then we can talk

[swift mango]

I mean one of the reasons I play this game is because it has 2 Collab a year. It does have higher production quality than cheap cash grab CN gacha.

[silk current]

congrats on the silver lol

[swift mango]

The graphic, the story and the models, artists they hired, voice actor they hired.

[swift mango]

Thanks

[silk current]

u might like epic 7 or guardian tales, out of all the gachas game i used to play those, it's great

[swift mango]

Well, I kinda waiting for Makima rerun with the potential new CSM Collab they kept add to the survey

Could start other games now if they had CSM collab but doubt it.

Chances aren't high for it to happen as CSM already passed its popularity after part 1.

[tropic summit]

expectations are low if you can call nikke an higher production quality, but i can understand the logic, also congrats on silver

[swift mango]

Higher, not high. Higher than something else is apparent. High or not is subjective

[tropic summit]

yeah e.g. higher than 5/10 is 6/10

nikke is a 6 in my book, because they're sleeping in their comfy zone

so much potential, but lead by money

[hallow trench]

guys what team u will use with my roster on rookie arena and special ?

i change somew things

speciallyu on rookie one i dont know why i cant advance and the lvl is similar

[tropic summit]

noah centi noise rumani cindy, have you tried this? @hallow trench

also doublecheck your CP that is keeping up with your bracket, e.g. that you're not lower than 15% of their CP

but damn that's a well stacked account you got for a lvl 160

[twin pike]

Is this team perfect for Arena?

I feel like Alice is lacking

[tropic summit]

put noah in p1 or p5, in any other position she'll get enemies to hit more than 2 nikke at a time, generating more burst for them

[fiery aurora]

What is a good team for arena?

For all three rounds?

[tropic summit]

if you wanted to boost your cindy dmg, a noise would do better than alice in that lineup

[fiery aurora]

Before you ask i got all the nikkes.

[hallow trench]

not worth to use the ones i got geared like cindy or anis / ssb ?

[tropic summit]

depends, if your CP is impacted drastically then yes

[hallow trench]

yes it is :S

[tropic summit]

keep in mind cindy is burst gen hungry, SSB and s.anis have poor burst gen

they also prefer to be used for burst III, as stand alone they contribute far less

[warm vortex]

so i heard that Cindy actually isn't all that good for pvp, is that true? like, she's not as good as maid-privaty?

[tropic summit]

TLDR
Cinderella is best described as a DPS unit with a gimmicky Nuke, similar to S.Sakura, but she has some extra good and bad gimmicks as well since she is a Defender unit and has a decoy. One thing to note is that while RLs are famous for having good Burst Generation, Cinderella is an exception to this since she has one of the lowest burst generation in the game…

source: https://nikke.gg/pvp-review-cinderella/

[warm vortex]

yeah, i guess the only saving grace for her is that she's T0 for raids. so any investment you put into her double dips on both game modes

[tropic summit]

an extra rough idea: (pvp tier list)

[warm vortex]

what do the red and green borders mean in the list?

[tropic summit]

the fact that she's tankier and offers an option for AoE multi hit (still tauntable) is still worth of consideration, and as you said she's a good investiment for PVE aswell

also, she doesn't need buffers (although noise does boost her well)

[warm vortex]

hmm, that's a good point. being tanky in pvp is a huge bonus

[keen vapor]

Cindorolla pog

[swift mango]

She is currently meta in arena as well. There are many hard to beat comp that were brought on the table with her that people come on here to ask how to beat for no available.

Thanks to how tanky she is

The usually way of "killing the nuke so she can't burst" isn't applicable on her in quite a few situation.

[tropic summit]

@worthy knoll @swift mango

[late schooner]

Man that Noah vs Laplace 1v1, have you unlocked the favourite item yet?

[tropic summit]

she's treasured and maxed

RH surviving with 1% is the thing that bothers me the most

[late schooner]

You had to try bursting RH down before Noah gave her immune right

[tropic summit]

yes that was the plan

i just got 1 extra lvl, skill lvl 9 from 8 on scarlet and boosted of 1 gear level laplace, yolo

if this doesn't work, the dream shall end

[swift mango]

Still not making it lol

[tropic summit]

it's done

the whale shall suffer a defeat today

@worthy knoll @swift mango thank you both

[swift mango]

Eh I did nothing but maybe cheering lol. It's all Merry's merit.👍

Congratz

[upper grove]

Can I just CP gap that team? Screw thinking for lineups switching to Cindy burst

[tropic summit]

you've got 3 ppl feeding their jackal, but the CP difference is 25%

they'll likely implode on your damage

[upper grove]

I could also hit this team instead:

the other team will feed my scarlet jackal and it's an easy win

[tropic summit]

hmm that 2nd team is even easier, as they'll lack the dmg to even do anything

don't get too used to CP padding tho, unless you planning to keep on spending regularly... then it's sadly a strategy

damn it's been a long time since i last saw this screen

[swift mango]

This one has Noah+Biscuit though. Should considering that. Feel like it's harder than Jackal team to me.

[tropic summit]

now i can get double penetrated by the whale once they log in with no regrets

[upper grove]

yeah that was my issue with Biscuit

[tropic summit]

yeah but they'll hit him for no damage, it's 25% cp difference

massive stat drop

[upper grove]

don't worry, I want to invest more in my pvp units, that's the other team I wanna hit with a "normal" team

[tropic summit]

oh ye that's a scarlet feast waiting right there

[swift mango]

Well if he could stop him from bursting with Normal attack sure. But 10 sec of Alice is pretty wild even with 25% deficit.

[upper grove]

I'll just hit the scarlet team then

[swift mango]

I mean Noise die from flash damage then Naga kill Rapunzel

[tropic summit]

i'd rather fear a scarlet on cp deficit being feed by 3 ppl than a biscuit noah with an alice carry

but yeah it's opinions

[swift mango]

Well, Jackal wouldn't protect you from deficit. As she just share damage. Biscuit can protect you from that as she provide immortality.

[upper grove]

I used to hit the scarlet team with this but I was 13% gapped then. Now it's 16%

[orchid agate]

can someone recommend me teams for 3v3? i only have raid units invested

[upper grove]

which is why I asked about upgrading which RL battery. I'll OL Scarlet, Jackal next, then Anis and Centi last

[nimble root]

I have no idea what I'm doing; can someone help me build 3 teams for SP Arena? I'd also need help with a single team as well I've been playing for awhile I just have no idea what I'm doing in arena

[upper grove]

their scarlet just died due to CP gap

[tropic summit]

now to that ch1 lasts longer than a few hours

ah cubes are wrong, updated:

[swift mango]

My prized win of the week. My 365k 3rl team vs 396 2rl with feed Scarlet+Blanc. Featured Cindy's tankiness.

[swift mango]

Yeah that's when you get C1.

[whole shell]

Uh

What is that team

[tropic summit]

alice is kinda out of place, maybe:

noah noise cindy biscuit jackal?

although i guess the alice was probably for CP fodder

[tropic summit]

is it posted in order of strength? makes it easier to tell those you invested in

[twin pike]

I just started 2 weeks ago

Need help patching up PvP team

[twin pike]

Yeah….

I can put noise in

Although my cp will drop

[whole shell]

Hm

[tropic summit]

jackal cindy [ ] biscuit noah is fine, the [ ] if you got any other clip SG or clip RL to give a bit more burst gen

while keeping your CP from tanking ofc

else might aswell leave alice till you invest in more

[whole shell]

Jackal + noah + biscuit will push the team to 3rl anyway

[twin pike]

The heck is SG and RL?

[tropic summit]

shotgun and rocket launcher

clip ones especially have better burst gen

[swift mango]

It's good enough. 3RL. Is fine.

[twin pike]

So I should replace Alice?

[tropic summit]

no it's fine actually

[whole shell]

No, Jackal/Noah/Cindy/Alice/Biscuit

[swift mango]

Would be better if Noah+Liter+Biscuit+Cindy+Jackal though.

[tropic summit]

yeah i wouldn't want biscuit on p5

for the SG funzies

[whole shell]

Although that does raise the problem of biscuit possibly getting hit by attacking snipers

[tropic summit]

that's fine imo

[swift mango]

Do Noah+Liter+Biscuit+Cindy+Jackal.

[tropic summit]

unless you wanna maximize on invulnerabilities you could rotate a non defender in p5

[tropic summit]

but noah must be either p1 or p5 to avoid feeding extra RL

[twin pike]

Like that?

[swift mango]

Yeah that's good enough. No more Cindy p2 and liter buff damage even a little.

[twin pike]

Awesome thank you

I don’t have anymore attack tickets left I’ll see how defense does

Me and 1st place guy are competing rn

I don’t fully understand the pvp stuff yet. I didn’t know it was that intricate.

Anyone of the 5 besides Cindy and literally I should upgrade?

[swift mango]

It's defend on you. Liter and Cindy are for campaign.

Cindy are for arena

Liter just okayish there. But CP padding

[twin pike]

Who should I replace liter with in future?

I just follow tier list

[swift mango]

Just use this team for rookie....

[twin pike]

Should I upgrade Cindy clone skill for pvp?

[swift mango]

Crown+Liter+Cindy+Alice+Naga

For campaign....

[twin pike]

Yep that’s my campaign team

[swift mango]

You don't need to.

3-3-3 > 5-3-5 > 7-4-7 > 10-7-10 > 10-10-10

This is outside of Arena stuff though.

[twin pike]

Does placement matter in Campaign

[whole shell]

Crown on the very left

[swift mango]

Crown want p1 so Naga would heal her more often.

[twin pike]

Okay

[tropic summit]

cindy probably can carry nearly as good as scarlet if not better in campaign 🤔

[sly cove]

Pvp team. What units were the pvp nikke again? I believe it's know Jackal was one. Should my defense team be same as my attack?

[swift mango]

Idk about that. She is better for boss sure. But Scarlet wipe is better for campaign mobs stage

[twin pike]

Alice dmg is bad rn

[swift mango]

Plus Scarlet has higher and faster normal attack

[swift mango]

She need high investment.

[twin pike]

I need Redhood for story bad

Or Scarlet SbS

[swift mango]

If you want higher damage with Alice. You will need to manual her even at lower level

[swift mango]

Don't wait for her to fill charge

[twin pike]

Yeah I’m currently manual to fill burst gage

[swift mango]

Especially during her burst

Uncharge her shot during burst as well

[twin pike]

Got it

[bleak latch]

doing some more experiments with old scarlet

Red Hood with 4 charge speed op really made some wonders

[swift mango]

I feel like you always had the power gap upper hand on any clip you showed. What was your level compared to them?

[upper grove]

I finally was NOT counter hit when I hit him at 11:30 PM

[twin pike]

I much one should I put in Cindy?

[bleak latch]

he just shuffle his team 9 lv below me

[upper grove]

Vigor for higher burst dmg, otherwise Bastion. Burst dmg should be better in pvp, as she can burst the team down without (de)buffers

[twin pike]

Is vigor unlocked later?

[swift mango]

Is that mean a convenient lv481 on your team lol? Oh well, good win.

[upper grove]

yeah it's after you cleared sector 18

[twin pike]

Okay thank you!

[bleak latch]

i want to test with 531 guy but not sure if this comp will working so ill hold for now

most ppl still sleeping so they're not spent thier ticket yet

[lunar dirge]

is this viable?

for sp defence

[keen vapor]

I rather use with rather than

Bc doesn't needs buffers

[grizzled bone]

you think this would work?

[bleak latch]

i don't have the confidence but i would try once on next reset lol

[grizzled bone]

pretty sure you get blocked by Noah

[bleak latch]

not if scarlet able to burst first

[graceful grotto]

just need Noah + 2RL then

[grizzled bone]

yeah i think you'll burst around same time but let us know

[graceful grotto]

lmao this

[bleak latch]

Noise/Noah/Cindy/Jackals/Centi if you need fast burst cindy comp

blanc gonna slow you down alot

Noise/Centi/Cindy/Jackals/Rumani if you don't need B2 defense at all

[keen vapor]

[nimble root]

Yeah it should be posted in order of strongest to weakest, but I can build out any unit not already strengthened if it's to work towards a more meta lineup

[icy wren]

Ok so i need a team for offensive and defense for sp arena
I'm aware that to win u just need 2 out of 3 but I perfer having 3 good teams

[loud sonnet]

They can only help with the defense

[keen vapor]

unless you show the enemies

But I'm already guessing they have 70 levels over you

[umbral crown]

[surreal fable]

am I safe in t30 if rn im at 23 with 137k points?

[spiral onyx]

Defence is currently impossible to win assuming equal levels and equal knowledge due to the 2/3 win condition.

[icy wren]

Kinda but I just want a revamp of my team is been like 6 months since I ask for a revamp so here i am

[spiral onyx]

The recent introduction of more burst gen helps a lot, but at the end of the day, there's really only 1 Noah and 1 Jackal

[icy wren]

Ok? Then can I get help with a offensive team then?