pvp-arena

[keen vapor]

-# meant as if was Crown saying it

Keripo, cook

[grizzled bone]

keripo doesnt give out team building advice

echo you should cook. You're MA

[keen vapor]

I'm PVP joke

[grizzled bone]

time for demotion

[keen vapor]

[vapid lake]

Come on echo step it up so they can't make fun of u

[keen vapor]

Every time I try to cook someone comes and cooks faster

[covert fox]

which team should I use agaist this?

[keen vapor]

No Noah?

Moran?

[covert fox]

nah for both

[keen vapor]

.....

I don't think you can Indom your summer Anis either....

Sorry, you can't, you lack the necessary units

[grizzled bone]

the short form for Anis Sparkling Summer is ASS

[flint kettle]

would someone be willing to cook this?

it would be better that what I can come up with

[keen vapor]

Don't use crown

🧑‍🍳

[flint kettle]

I won't I don't have her

[keen vapor]

Only rookie?

[flint kettle]

Yeah

[keen vapor]

WAIT JUST A MOMENT, THAT'S 2B

YOU CANT PVP AGAINST PEOPLE A HUNDRED LEVELS OVER YOU

[flint kettle]

I don't quite get what you are saying

[keen vapor]

Show enemies

[flint kettle]

Its all just general stuff

I can't hold any positions due to a power diff

I am using Scarlet Blanc RH Noir Jackal for offence and defence and it does not work

[keen vapor]

See? A hundred levels over you

[keen vapor]

Yes, its just impossible

[keen vapor]

See? I can't cook something better

[flint kettle]

I go from 10th to 25th daily, if I miss a day I am down to 39th

is there not a team that can at least get me around 24th?

or to stay at 25?

[keen vapor]

Rookie just serves for farming arena tickets

[gaunt viper]

lol yeah but I figured try and see what might work and reduce options that way

[keen vapor]

No, level diff can't be solved

No team is invincible and we have this
Stat penalty

[flint kettle]

not everyone is that high a level here

[keen vapor]

Scar team doesn't works against that?

[flint kettle]

no

thats why I want something better

I am not looking for perfection

[umbral crown]

[keen vapor]

Well, that's what I'll use against a team like that 🤷‍♂️

I could recommend you to overload jackal but doing it will be a waste since it won't improve gem income

[umbral crown]

[keen vapor]

Read the next message

[flint kettle]

Rosy do you have any team comp advice? Just for general stuff that would be better than this

or are you just here to emote

[keen vapor]

There's no better

[keen vapor]

Wait, is your Scarlet higher attack than Noir?

[flint kettle]

no

[keen vapor]

So that's why it doesn't works overload her

[flint kettle]

I'm trying, its has been literal months

[keen vapor]

Farm specific parts in Anomaly interception

[flint kettle]

Noir is my only max ol unit

[umbral crown]

[flint kettle]

all I get is Abnormal Gear

[umbral crown]

against what and where your box

[flint kettle]

This is the box

[keen vapor]

Synchro 225

It has 2B

[flint kettle]

I have no specific target, I just want to have something that works as well as it can for my level

why does the 2B matter?

[keen vapor]

The problem is jackal link is not on Scarlet but on Noir instead

[keen vapor]

Is the result of both facts

Is a really old account (nier event) but it has a low synchro level

[flint kettle]

I started a month after the Chainsawman event

not quite an OG but its been a while

[keen vapor]

That.... That's even worse

[umbral crown]

Noah-Biscuit-SBS-Red Hood-Jackal

[keen vapor]

PVP is so bricked 🧱

[umbral crown]

this is works well when is not against people with noah+bisucit in the same team

[keen vapor]

It will plummet CP even further, Noah is right next to SR units

[flint kettle]

for a level 1 character with no LB, gear, or talent level, isn't that where they are meant to be?

[umbral crown]

you need to add some key units to your sync device to be decent or good in pvp

[flint kettle]

They usually are, I just reset it today and have not added everyone back in

all I have are my tower units right now

[umbral crown]

oh i see

[flint kettle]

yeah I am not doing this with a level 1 scarlet that would be insane

[keen vapor]

If it had overloads she will be on the upper side instead of on the side of units that aren't used at all

[umbral crown]

also Scarlet-Blanc-Red Hood-Centi-Jackal beats many teams as a general team

[keen vapor]

But really, is not worth to invest in PVP in your situation

[flint kettle]

If I get Centi I will keep that in mind

she has been on the standard wishlist for months, but I was saving for cinderella and grave. of course 300 pulls later I got neither of them and just spent the certs

again, this is just to give you all the idea of how my luck is. It doesn't really exist

I get that Investing in PvP doesn't make a lot of sense. but I am literally not capable of doing other stuff beyond what I get from dailies for now

[umbral crown]

you can change centi for noir

[flint kettle]

so go back to the team I had before then

[keen vapor]

Yes, you can't do better teams

[umbral crown]

or changing scar for cindy but i do not know your investments on each unit

[flint kettle]

cinderella is my second highest power unit

[umbral crown]

then add her instead scar

skills?

[flint kettle]

9 9 8

[umbral crown]

and scar?

[flint kettle]

8 8 8

is what I can give her

she is also on a level 6 bastion cube and a SR doll

[umbral crown]

you can try cindy instead scar and see how it goes

but i think with noah and some units to mkae the team faster would be better

[flint kettle]

so I should make a noah comp? or were you referring to the SBS in the noah one you gave me?

[gleaming sedge]

Teamcomp Recs for SP Arena?

[keen vapor]

When you started

[gleaming sedge]

Like 2 days ago?

[keen vapor]

How you got so many SSRs in two days

[flint kettle]

hardcore rerolling

[flint kettle]

but even then thats tia naga, 4 cinderellas, 5 liters, grave, and a bunch of very solid units

it looks almost unreal

[vapid lake]

Rerolled then once he got a nice account he started 🐳 ing

[gleaming sedge]

Ok but teamcomp advice?

[vapid lake]

Prolly

[gleaming sedge]

Ye

[vapid lake]

I don't cook that's echo's job

[gleaming sedge]

@keen vapor Aight bro where y'at

(In vc if ye can)

[keen vapor]

Liter/Naga/Ein/Centi/Jackal

Wishlist Blanc

[gleaming sedge]

I did 🥲

What about Round 2/3, also should I copy them over for Defense?

Who will I be swapping out for Blanc/Noir when/if I pull her?

[gray carbon]

Miranda, Rouge, Maxwell, Volume, Grave

[flint kettle]

ah a real truth speaker

[gray carbon]

The best pvp team

[worthy knoll]

did I saw "new acct" and "whaled".. you can prolly make do just by hitting the auto button for the other 2 teams

[gleaming sedge]

God bless the Synchro Device...

[keen vapor]

-# Note to self: cook

[umbral crown]

could be good for a change

[umbral crown]

but cook for him

you are the MA

[keen vapor]

Dinner is served

Team 1:
Noise/Noah/Cindy/Biscuit/Rapunzel

Team 2:
Scarlet/Blanc/Anis/RH/Jackal (wishlist Centi or increase Anis HP to avoid accidents)

Team 3:
Drake/Bunny Soda/Viper/Rosanna/Noir (invest Rosanna to move her to Scarlet team)

always remember that the MA team is at your service
|| ||

Rosanna instead of RH

So we could use RH for a more trustworthy third team

And maybe Moran as well

Also, don't forget to buy event stamina and farm core dust in part 2 hard mode

Core dust

[hollow summit]

should i upgrade doll to Jackal to R15/SR5?

[keen vapor]

I save government selector boxes for credits actually not that I'm also tempted for core dust but ....

[hollow summit]

well jackal team CP around 810k, my competitor mostly range from 900k-700k

[keen vapor]

I did

Also for Centi

[hollow summit]

my pvp unit
Noah SR5
Emilia R15 (don't want use selector)
laplace treasure
sanis sr15
scarlet sr5

[keen vapor]

Also tempering cube finally level 7

[hollow summit]

biscuit R0
centi R0
jackal R0

blanc R5
rapunzel R0

[swift mango]

Your 2 RL team became 4 RL within that match. You p1-2 didn't even get taunt by Noah at all so all of them RL got their burst gen reduced by Half.

Idk why you are so hellbent on using RL when their Regen got cut by half lol.

Just use Clip SG and they will just hit Noah. No feed whatsoever.

Or like Merry said counter their Rossanna with your own lol.

Or just give up that team.

[keen vapor]

I invested all of them

[keen vapor]

Specially Blanc bc she used to die often

[hollow summit]

atleast R15/SR5 for me on PvP unit

[keen vapor]

If you don't invest burst gen batteries (clip RL), they'll get CP gapped

ET

[rich quail]

Because he still has p1 Scarlet who has only 20 ammo and target skips right to Blanc at p2

[keen vapor]

I'm out of rocks already

I need rocks

[twilit bay]

Will this work?
No penalty

[zinc sparrow]

need team suggestion for pvp

[swift mango]

It could be that they would just kill Blanc and you are done. But if they couldn't their Blanc could hit Noir. Idk. You could also not having enough buff to wipe them.

I wonder if they feed you enough to 2rl...

[twilit bay]

Went with 2.5 RL Cinderella instead. Was too close for comfort, but I won

My Centi died in like 1RL

[swift mango]

You need Biscuit to help stall indom Scarlet or she would solo. Also don't 2 defender on p1+2 that would use up biscuit s2. Ofc don't put biscuit in p2 or she would die before trigger 2nd time

Another option to win 3RL Blanc is to just use 3.1-3.5 RL Blanc.

[swift mango]

Ein+Grave+Rapunzel+Anis+Jackal.

Liter+Centi+Neon+Cindy+Drake.

Flex

[gleaming sedge]

Flex as in just hit auto or?

[swift mango]

Just hit auto. You could fix afterwards with better burst gen or not. You don't have enough for 3 x 3rl team

Also, could put Grave in p2. To guard Ein, idk if that would work though. Defend on if they were linked.

[swift mango]

Edited: I mean 3 x 3 RL teams.

[swift mango]

Scarlet+Blanc+RH+Anis+Jackal (Jackal with quantum)

Pepper+Centi+Rossanna+Cindy+ Noir (have Rossanna s2 up a little)

Noah+Biscuit+S.Anis(resilience)+Rapunzel+Drake

[silk current]

damn, didn't expect that, thank u man

was gonna wait til night to ask again 😭

[gaunt sentinel]

did the persistent guy give up?
man now i feel lonely

btw how much investment is for good moran? @keen vapor

[brittle hill]

I don't remember if I gave you that team setup, but now i'm thinking Blanc, Jackal, Anis, Centi/Rumani, Scarlet. Because the burst gen is what kills me and Redhood only pulls her weight in a stall situation

[placid breach]

brugh what happent to ping for pvp def team?

noone can make me one? x.x

i need to keep blocked ben out lol

[spiral onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/me-showing-you-the-kitchen-kitchen-dinner-time-cooking-time-cooking-room-gif-14084822

[placid breach]

?

[gaunt viper]

hmm ill see how that works out tomorrow 🤔, ty for the advice

[rich quail]

It was my own team build

I mostly cook on my own these days

[brittle hill]

I see, it's been my most lackluster setup mainly because of the power difference. The charge speed from centi makes up for it (replacing RH)

[rich quail]

I mainly use RH for Scarlet atk buff and emergency B3

Going with 3 RL units looks good on paper, but it needs to be done with caution. Indom Scarlet is scary, but her being the only venue of dps offense might backfire if her nuke fails to wipe.

That, and it’s probably not a good idea to use 3 RL units on one def team.

[hollow summit]

scarlet 3RL just easily countered

i put 2,5 noah with laplace and emilia

or 3rl i can put sbs replace laplace

with rumani release i can put noah-bisq-sbs-emi-rumani

[rich quail]

yeah, still learning what is a good balance for 3 teams

If you have someone counter one of your teams with Noah, you have to make sure the other two teams make it hard to beat without using Noah.

[hollow summit]

some in my bracket use 2,5RL scar team with scarlet-centi-anis-RH-jackal

I can counter this team but lack of CP

[rich quail]

Well, that is part of the strategy

Some people don’t invest in RL units

I keep that in mind

Because I certainly try to, more than others

[hollow summit]

if you care PVP, you can upgrade doll on PvP unit atleast R15/SR5

[rich quail]

I am 95% pvp
That’s why I have a fighting chance against most opponents in my group, even when I am 30-50 levels lower in sync

[hollow pike]

what team should i use?

[unique python]

What good team can I build for the PVP

[upper grove]

Scarlet mari anis centi jackal is their team.
My Noah centi cindy anis rumani team is CP gapped. Could I replace cindy for Alice for the gap? Or does it not work because Alice is just single target dmg

[steel flint]

@exotic kite is this you?

[vapid lake]

Gemming competition

[upper grove]

Feels bad not being able to invest in pvp when I have to push campaign further first

[swift mango]

Well, you can mostly invest in units that can push both.

[upper grove]

Yes, that's the plan. I just got crown and I have no pilgrim def gear sadly left for both her and Noah because of Cindy

[vapid lake]

Crown isn't good in pvp

[swift mango]

It's worse when you can't even invest in units because you don't have them or their gear.

[swift mango]

That's a sacrifice you must make.

She is a good buffer if you could pull her out

[upper grove]

I'll still have to invest her first for campaign I think. School girls (or Tia rather) just keeps dying at my deficit atm

[swift mango]

A double buff by herself.

[upper grove]

Otherwise I'll get cp gapped further because of slower core dust rate

[vapid lake]

Invest in pvp dps like alice/ein/scarlet/sbs when u get them

[rich quail]

I personally use Crown sparingly in pvp, atk only

Her buffs are still worth utilizing, but of course you need to compensate for lack of burst gen and be wary of feeding certain enemy units

[swift mango]

My Alice is 10-5-10 max doll and I use her less than DKW and Crown for arena

[vapid lake]

I just use her to cp gap my opponent because she's stacked

[swift mango]

That's how bad Alice is when you have enough burst 3 for arena

[upper grove]

Alice is my most invested units, Ein sadly just 4/4/4 w/o OL. Scarlet 2/4 OL at 5/5/5, no SBS so far

[vapid lake]

He started playing quite recently so he doesn't have a lot of options

[upper grove]

Alice has 50% more CP than all my other units

[vapid lake]

No sanis for him

For example

[swift mango]

We actually having lots of option now

[upper grove]

Yes I started at the beginning of EVA

[swift mango]

Prydwen should move Alice down to S in Arena.

Because she is worse than some S options there.

[upper grove]

I don't think I can keep top 3 in my bracket anymore. Should settle for Top 6 or 10 and not let my ego waste gems because I have to focus on campaign first. Currently at ch 28. I can always get top 3 back later on

[swift mango]

Thanks to Blanc biscuit Noah meta

[rich quail]

That would be the smart play. Top 6 would be nice, but even C7 is a good place, safe from d1 opponents

[upper grove]

Oh D1 cannot hit C7?

[vapid lake]

Try to sit at c4-c6

[rich quail]

Blanc Biscuit Noah is not meta

It’s the exact opposite

[vapid lake]

U lose the moment u spend gems to try and prove ur male reproductive organ bigger than ur enemy's, never forget

[swift mango]

Tell what team you use to be meta in Arena and not use them?

Did you ever build or play arena in the pass year?

[vapid lake]

I have a feeling there is a misunderstanding here

[rich quail]

I don’t care about using meta teams

But anyone here who knows their stuff can tell you Blanc Biscuit Noah is a terrible idea

[upper grove]

You're right. Once you guys mentioned my opponent hitting me 4x per day and him wasting more gems than actually getting at the end of season it clicked for me

[tropic summit]

is the war finally over?

[vapid lake]

He spent 800 gems to earn 300 more, it doesn't make sense

He just trying to show u his pp bigger

Let him

[swift mango]

You don't use them all in a team. Like when you saying Scarlet, S.Anis, Cindy meta, no one tell you to use all in a team.

[tropic summit]

yeah at that point it becomes meaningless, especially for you, just get the rank right below, same gem outcome at end of season

[swift mango]

It's that's hard to understand?/

[vapid lake]

You meant those 3 units are meta, he thought you meant using all 3 of those units on the same team

Misunderstanding

[upper grove]

Yeah idc about that. I just think it's funny

I also noticed him suddenly getting 8 lvl ups in like 2 weeks. Maybe used their boxes or even worse: used money

[vapid lake]

The funniest part is i don't think he actually gets that 300 more, this is like near the end of the season right? u probably still have more chips than him if u held for 9 days

If thats true he spent 800 to gain 0

[tropic summit]

it's money, the worse part is if he keeps spending every month, it may lead to CP padding down the months

[upper grove]

Yeah I was 2nd for 10 days. He just hit from 5th to 2nd with 3 days left

[vapid lake]

Yeah DW, if he starts whaling he will inevitably spend way more money than the spot in top 3 would earn him

[upper grove]

Even better

[vapid lake]

Let him fund nikke

[upper grove]

KR client user as well, so them whaling doesn't surprise me

[mighty haven]

[upper grove]

Yeah it certainly looks that way

[vapid lake]

Ah KR, explains a lot

[tropic summit]

korea loves spending money on gacha

you're probably better off ignoring that dude

a duel with your wallets won't end up good

[upper grove]

I'm also spending money but just for skins

[upper grove]

I'm poor enough with my other hobby being TCGs

[tropic summit]

oh card games, another money sink indeed haha

[vapid lake]

I play yugioh digitally now

Ain't spending money on physical cards anymore

[swift mango]

Even if you want to gem it. Try to be smart about it and learn this online pattern. Only hit him when you know he is offline. If you couldn't do that just give up.

Not worth gem it if he out online you.

[upper grove]

I mean he literally hit me 15 mins ago when I logged in 10 mins after reset (9 PM)

[vapid lake]

Damn bro's also terminally online

[mighty haven]

save me

[upper grove]

9 PM mybtime is 4 or 5 AM Korea time afaik

[vapid lake]

Reset is 5am in korea yea

[upper grove]

Oof. That's def not worth my time

[swift mango]

I see 4 guys kicking your asses here.

Maybe need to change your strategy and not solo them all.

[tropic summit]

can't say i support PvP ratting, although it is indeed a strategy to increase time in a certain rank to boost point income

i'm more of the opinion that if you can't hold a certain rank, you should at least try with a different defense instead of ratting

[vapid lake]

U can only blame SU for designing the system like this

[tropic summit]

absolutely true

[vapid lake]

Players just figured out that being a rat is the best way to gain points

[swift mango]

When 2 guys at same investment and same knowledge in pvp, you can't win the defense battle. Especially the other guy gem it to win

[tropic summit]

yeah i just experienced that for 3days in a row

back and forth from rank 3 to rank 6, every single day

[mighty haven]

so you're basically telling me to just settle somewhere between C1-C7

yeah no thx

[tropic summit]

attacking in a part of the day where most of them already used their attempt (on the assumptions they won't waste gems everyday) will increase your stay in one of those ranks

[swift mango]

Can't be helped if you can't defense.

[grizzled bone]

its perfectly average, thank you

[mighty haven]

well neither can they

[tropic summit]

average is already big, most ppl have tiny pp

[upper grove]

My top 7 bracket has 2 KR and 2 JP clients and number 1 is C7 cindy Asuka whale

[swift mango]

I could beat the rank 1 easily but only I hit him when I got hit by 4 other guys and one guy can always pass my defense team. That's enough for me to not rank 1. You got beat by 4 instead

[tropic summit]

there's a very slight hope for you in the next reset to be matched with other players in same server brackets (that are not the same as current one), maybe?

[mighty haven]

come to my bracket then

[upper grove]

How often does the bracket reset? This is the only one I've ever been in

[vapid lake]

that guy with the gold border i thought he quit the game because he didn't login for 5 days, suddenly he came back

[swift mango]

Well I will be out CP your bracket so it's still not that bad.

I only talked about the situation

Getting hit by 4 you need gem to beat it.

[tropic summit]

redemption arc, he went to train in some secluded mountain and perhaps rediscovered his wallet?

[vapid lake]

That one day when he randomly came back he hit me 1 minute before reset

[tropic summit]

"In Special Arena, you are fitted into a server of minimum 200 ranked players, the total number of which can increase to a maximum of 5000, which reshuffle and readjust according to account creation date every 3 months. Inactive players are removed but can be re-added if they become active again."

[vapid lake]

While i was sleeping

[tropic summit]

e.g. every 3 months you could be reshuffled

that can be both good or worse though, depending what you end up with

[vapid lake]

So next shuffle in december?

[tropic summit]

looks like

[upper grove]

If there are more whales like the current number 1 I'm screwed

That team has like 20-25% more CP than any other person in the bracket

[swift mango]

Well, if you persistent enough with gemming it maybe things would calm down after a month or two. After they give up.

Hard to out login 4 guys unless they went to sleep at same time.

[tropic summit]

wouldn't spend gems unless it ensures you earn those extra 300 gems at the nearly-end of the season, else not worth it

[grizzled bone]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-knight-joker-its-not-about-the-money-its-about-sending-a-message-gif-15254722

[mighty haven]

If I only do 1 extra attack a day, then that's sustainable

[upper grove]

Dude is on a mission

[worthy knoll]

Me whenever I see a 100 gem cd key, oh look +1 extra ammo

[swift mango]

That's when your bracket gotten inactive players too much and they needed you to merge into bigger one.

[vapid lake]

Me whenever I see a gem cd key: just kidding I didn't, they show up when i'm asleep and already maxed out when im awake

[swift mango]

I was literally online here yesterday when they post the gem key. But delayed it for like 40mins to open the game and the key gone.

[vapid lake]

I had no chance

[upper grove]

Btw is there any usage for the DEF cube? I still don't have it though, have to push

[mighty haven]

Padding, higher levels worth it on certain units i.e Moran

[vapid lake]

It's placeholder until you get either vigor or tempering

[swift mango]

It's basically the worst cube in the game. Even Moran would refer the dmg reduction cube or HP cube over it. Her new partner should be the relic assist cube.

But I doubt it better than the dmg reduction one.

It's way better than Hit rate in arena though... Since that one is only for maps clearing...

[vapid lake]

It's useless in pve also

It gives too little hit rate to be useful

The devs know it sucks too because if they want an AR/SMG dps to good they just slap 60% hit rate in their kit

Like quency and asuka

[swift mango]

Well, some hit rate on AR is better than some def.

[vapid lake]

Better bastion/resil

[swift mango]

Grave basically only like Hit Rate in PvE right now.

[tropic summit]

those are cubes made to reduce the RNG of getting good cubes during RAID, it's like other gachas have RNG with getting def stats on equipment

[swift mango]

Other stats doesn't help her any

Unless it is a high level cube so high element damage and CP.

Then bye bye hit rate.

[worthy knoll]

If somehow you want to manipulate def stats when fighting SBS bursting teams

Though its kinda rare.. since you need to have two almost similar def unit while the lowest def is one you don't want to be targeted so you give her a def cube if you can't be bothered to roll a def line on her, increase her doll or the like

[tropic summit]

this physically hurt my brain just thinking about having to arrange things with DEF involved

[swift mango]

Just do a 2 RL team and SBS 3rd shot 🙃won't hit you at all.

[tropic summit]

yeah, at least you re-use resources and nikke you already invested in

[worthy knoll]

SBS targets lowest def, so you can actually manipulate who her S1 targets without taunt but is more of a high end manipulation kind of pvp math. You can just simply go with a defender taunter + biscuit if you don't want to think too much

[tropic summit]

yeah i'm probably this type of person

[mighty haven]

oh sweet, they're not going to target my counter SBS now

[swift mango]

Pretty sure we don't have tool to taunt p3-4 before burst? Do it?

[worthy knoll]

Who dies from SBS before burst though? SBS is only deadly during burst

[tropic summit]

6% def stat, RNG hates you

[swift mango]

Then there is not really much need to worry about def manipulation unless you are stalling with health.

A match often finish fast after burst anyway whether it's Scarlet or SBS lol.

[worthy knoll]

Nah they do not

Especially SBS

Scarlet yeah, maybe it depends

[swift mango]

When you burst you often certain if you lose or win. Even with Blanc prolong it for 10 second or stall team.

Just look at the damage and you would know

SBS hit map wipe AoE on her 3rd shot anyway.

Noah, Blanc also completely block it

Moran would taunt it

So normal team would just ignore the need to def manipulation

You would need a niche stall vs stall for that to be needed.

[worthy knoll]

Noah Biscuit not just Noah

[tropic summit]

blanc prevents death, but doesn't block damage iirc? as it's indom and not invulnerb.

you'd have the other 4 nikke take damage during blanc indom

[swift mango]

Noah can block it for 4 second unless opponent use stall comp or sth.

[worthy knoll]

3 seconds

[swift mango]

Woop my bad lol

[worthy knoll]

Again it depends, but if you want a guaranteed win you don't block it with just Noah

[swift mango]

Well, I would use Emilia+Blanc to attack.

[worthy knoll]

Well again the main point before SBS is not a quick kill. Drunk Scarlet yeah that is quick, SBS is a slow one

[tropic summit]

Drunk Scarlet and Sober Scarlet

[worthy knoll]

And since her damage is distributed, if you manipulate who she targets, a unit with the most highest damage reduction, you can tank her even on penalty

21637 damage

[swift mango]

Yeah, that's the niche stall teams I was talking about.

You need to have that team first.

But you didn't need def cube for that team even.

[worthy knoll]

Here is another by manipulating her S1 without a taunter but just having a defender being the lowest def + biscuit

[worthy knoll]

I said above, its a rare case if you somehow need to manipulate def

Coz usually defenders has higher def than supporters

[tropic summit]

Merry is really the type of guy you don't want in your PvP bracket, he's got the right tool for anything

[vapid lake]

And he haven't even talked about how u can run sakura to cut sbs dmg 50%-90%

[worthy knoll]

Yeah thats one of SBS hard counter too

[swift mango]

Darn I wish I had Makima ... was installing this game 2 year ago but then deleted because I picked Arknight instead. Missed out on Makima Collab.

It's super rare though. Rarer than putting Hit rate on Grave in campaign.

[tropic summit]

imagine if Nikke ever start doing collab reruns

[swift mango]

I would have long build Sakura before I build Def cube if I wanted to hard counter SBS.

[upper grove]

Then I'd have to get/deal with Emilia

[vapid lake]

No i don't want everyone in my bracket to have emilia it makes everything more complicated

[swift mango]

Most peeps on my bracket have her since it was our first major limited but only I really have high investment on her to use as main dps.

[tropic summit]

i just want her battery, but i'll never have her anyway

[swift mango]

Sincr the initial reception on her PvE was super shit.

I had to spend time arguing that she was good until Prydwen release their tier list.

And it still lingering on still today

[worthy knoll]

Like I said its a rare case, he ask what is the use the cube, well I simply answered only use atm is if you somehow need to manipulate def stats if against SBS

I didn't told them to build it

[swift mango]

Blame it all on Nikke.gg for release the sh**ty misleading should you pull article. And the poster even came back after her release day to say "I tested and she suck ass"

Apparently he didn't test shit

[tropic summit]

oh i found what you were talking about blood

[swift mango]

Well, current ranking it pretty fine but that article of "should you pull" was what drown her from day one.

[upper grove]

I won't haha. Thanks for explaining the importance of DEF for sbs though

[swift mango]

Along with the hate for the collab

[tropic summit]

oh ye that was appearent

back then i had just started so i didn't have resources (or knowledge) to get her, guess i'll have that regret for the rest of the times

[swift mango]

Ranking only released more than a week after the Collab start.

At that point, advise was flying around that Emilia is s* and not worth pulling. Sometime Even for PvP.

But turning out her AoE range is unique and SSS in pvp while also having some strong niche in campaign.

Rem was initially received as meta but then no one care about her now.

[tropic summit]

what an interesting drama that unfolded that i didn't know about

[grizzled bone]

Rem died cuz of Crown release

[swift mango]

Even without crown, Emilia was the better unit

[grizzled bone]

They do different things

Not saying which is better

[swift mango]

Yes but Emilia was more versatile

She could be battery, sub dps and wave cleaner. While not up there on dps compared to Pligrim she certainly can carry the campaign team at the time. The same can't be said about rem. Who was only really good in Raid at that time.

They were my 2 first OL nikke.

So I used them on everything back then. Rem was worse versatile wise on PvE. Not even counting pvp.

My recent hard base defense clears in campaign was all using RH+crown+3 burst 3 to clear it in 30-40 sec because my rosters couldn't tank the spewing sh*

[tropic summit]

the beauty of 1 hit KO in 100k+ CP difference, literally a fart can kill

[swift mango]

No need to wait 1:30 Min for it to end. Strong sub dps help clear it instantly

[tropic summit]

the amount of times i cleared base defense by letting air units alive and letting times pass for capture, good times

[upper grove]

Winter event units: how important are they for pvp?

[tropic summit]

the first that comes to mind is this one:

"XAnne was a Christmas limited unit who was often passed on for PvE but is actually extremely strong in PvP. Her Burst applies the second highest ATK buff in the game (after Red Hood) and also heals all Attackers and resurrects 1 fallen Attacker. Unfortunately she doesn't pair with either 2B nor SAnis as neither are Attackers, but she is a very strong B2 pick for Scarlet or any other Attacker hypercarry."

[swift mango]

Only x Anne really matter. X Mica can help with high end team but require big investment.

[tropic summit]

it's like a better rapunzel

(in certain scenarios)

xmika is ranked tier C by Keripo

"XMica is a mediocre B1 buffer (her atk buff scales off her own atk so ends up being weaker than most) but with a decent burst gen which puts her above regular RLs but not yet at clip SG level. Being an SMG, she also feeds Jackal comps. She might have some niche team comp usage though if the team really really needs that extra attack buff but also needs more burst gen than what Liter/N102/Privaty/etc offers."

[upper grove]

I don't have OG rapunzel maybe I should pick x anne

[tropic summit]

that's an option if you wanna play with revive on attacker units

[upper grove]

Xludmilla is one of the few good water dps for pve afaik so I'll have to get her too

And all new years pilgrims have been good as well right?

[tropic summit]

i kinda want xludmilla for PVE too

got nothing on water element atm in my roster

[worthy knoll]

I will get her though, there are some teams i want to try but couldn't coz it was slightly slow, and what comes to my mind was if only i had XMica instead of Liter or RH

[tropic summit]

haha very true, that extra burst gen might open possibilities

[swift mango]

If you mean my image, I was at 430k in a 540k stage the one next to the 18-33 boss. The 100k+ difference was stacked on my end not the map.

[tropic summit]

no i meant in general dw

[swift mango]

I would like to see you kill with a fart at over 20% deficit.

In general

[tropic summit]

indeed, that boss type is the one currently stalling me at deficit

[worthy knoll]

Farts are better.. better than battling against Silencers and Jellyfish

[swift mango]

The base defense with 2-3 wave of spewer in deadly in campaign. Even if I can kill them almost instantly I have no one like invested Naga to health up between wave. So I could only kill those in 30-40 sec by beating the first wave instantly.

[tropic summit]

i agree, this i'll probably pass it with a bit extra CP

[swift mango]

So the blue gauge charge up in 30-40 sec and no need to worry about 2-3rd wave

Especially the one with 3 wave of 2 spewer. That was impossible for me to beat and I was considering investing in Naga until I try the red+Crown+3 dps and beat it in 30-40 sec

[tropic summit]

the answer to all problems, kill everything asap

[swift mango]

You want to have high enough damage

For that. 4 dps is better than 1.

The hardest stage in the campaign and tower right now at high deficit are the 3 spewer wave in base defense.

Most end game tower climbers would tell you that.

If you asked them.

If deficit was any higher I wouldn't be able to use my team either. Lol

[tardy anvil]

Do you all actually change your attack team around each time in pvp?

[swift mango]

Unless you are placing the same guy who keeps having the same team, yes

If I didn't face a guy for a week high change I would lose if I need to attack him suddenly and too lazy to spend 10 mins to edit...

[worthy knoll]

Unless*

[swift mango]

Really wish the DEV would update SP arena with 5 saved line up like Rookie.m.

[swift mango]

Duly noted

[lone sequoia]

no reason to do that when there are already comps that beat most teams, unless you intend to have an extra team to test

[swift mango]

Not everyone have to comp to beat most team

[lone sequoia]

some teams have the same core or work in the same way, so the same team can beat +5 different teams at the same speed

[umbral crown]

Si

[worthy knoll]

I want them to change the sp attack winning requirements to 3 wins or it is a lose

[glad meteor]

Nobody wins imagine

[tropic summit]

out of all my PVP matches on offense, that'd be probably 10-15% of the matches at best, but then again it's also because i commit to 2 teams and generally forsake the filler team

[tropic summit]

the answer to this is yes, especially down the line when people have been playing for months/years. I think only at the beginning you might run into that, for the simple reason the nikke available are low in number and your resources extremely limited early, so you then have 1 or 2 fixed teams with no alternative at first

[umbral crown]

Go

[keen vapor]

[umbral crown]

[obsidian escarp]

hi i wonder if anyone can help me with make special arena deck

i never really pay attention about arena deck and i think this is the time for me to start study

[brazen ledge]

whats the investment for pvp on rosanna ?

[obsidian escarp]

it seems very complicate

i dont have summer anis or xanne

[restive heart]

7-10-10
needs atleast
4x atk
additonal 4x crit rate and crit dmg

[obsidian escarp]

without these 2 it was very hard for me to make deck

[brazen ledge]

4 atk with how much stats each ?

[restive heart]

around 30-40% atk

[brazen ledge]

and what is crit rate and crit dmg used for ? just more dmg ?

but not mandatory ?

[restive heart]

yea just for rosie to crit her burst

[restive heart]

not really but its better to grab it

even 1-2x crit rate and crit damage is good enough

[brazen ledge]

ye if i get it cool but i aim for the atk first

[restive heart]

atk is high prio

[restive heart]

may i ask. does your opponents have sAnis?

[brazen ledge]

bro

why this on her

i think i don't even take it

[restive heart]

take it

for cp padd

[obsidian escarp]

no i am newb to arena i am trying to make good start arena deck for beginner

i am looking at recommend decks and i see x anne and snis all the time

i was not able to make deck without them base on website that i see

i am very blind on arena

hoping to get some help to make starting build with my chars and i would do more study on them

[brazen ledge]

ye, shes 7/9/9 for the moment, ill have to work on that too

[restive heart]

@obsidian escarp
Jackal - Scarlet - Crown - Drake - Naga
Blanc - Cinderella - Biscuit - RedHood - Centi
Noah - Rapunzel - SBS - Alice - Noir

Quantum cube on : Jackal, Centi, and Rapunzel

[obsidian escarp]

thank you so much

may i ask what can i counter with this deck?

sorry to make you to spend your time

[restive heart]

[obsidian escarp]

no where i could ask to learn

[brazen ledge]

you just try to beat ppl with the same amount of cp as you with these teams

[obsidian escarp]

base on my study there is counters for each decks

[brazen ledge]

no decks in nikke pls

[obsidian escarp]

or maybe its too far for me

[brazen ledge]

stop calling that deck they are teams

but yes for example rosanna counters jackal

[obsidian escarp]

team team got it

[restive heart]

counter?

[obsidian escarp]

def team would be the same as atk team i assume?

yes like fury taught me

[restive heart]

nope

atk teams may vary depends on enemy teams

[obsidian escarp]

that part i think i can study myself since you helped me with the making team

should i put same teams for def too?

[restive heart]

yes. the team i provided are def teams

[obsidian escarp]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

i thought thats for atk

[restive heart]

atk teams are different

you cannot use def team as your atk teams

[obsidian escarp]

would you be able to help me with setup the atk teams?

[restive heart]

i can help you with the basic fundamentals

[obsidian escarp]

i would appriciate it

[restive heart]

but as i sad atk teams may vary depending on enemy team

[obsidian escarp]

i believe people usually makes 3 teams

and depends on enemy team

they swap team around

like team 1 to team 2

[restive heart]

on atk, i pref 2 teams only

skipping one team and attaking the other 2

[obsidian escarp]

so like throw 1 team out to make 2 other teams strong?

[restive heart]

yep

[obsidian escarp]

got it

[restive heart]

also this would avoid residual targeting

[obsidian escarp]

got it

[restive heart]

also making attack teams are not always the strongest units
its all about the combination of teams and while maintaining the burst gen of your units

[obsidian escarp]

looks like they well made the pvp

[glad meteor]

They fixed it a while ago now

[restive heart]

is it tho? its been a long time i havent fought anyone on pvp

[obsidian escarp]

i understand the concept but

i would still need basic team setup

[glad meteor]

Yeah, they ghost fixed things like whiffing and target skip too. Though cindy get’s skipped but that’s because she has a decoy lol

Whiff can happen on reload though. But I think that’s a feature instead of a bug

[restive heart]

tbh i cant make atk teams unless you provide me an enemy you want to fight in pvp

[tropic summit]

what are the odds one of these 2 teams might actually wipe redhood, drake and noir (in the enemy team)? leaving noah and biscuit alive would be fine

[restive heart]

i remember myself bricking my scarlet to 20 ammo

apparantly when scarlet has 20 ammo, enemy rl whiffs alot

[glad meteor]

I think 20 ammo doesn’t whiff anymore. 30 ammo did but I don’t know anymore since i just go 2RL against those comps

[obsidian escarp]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[restive heart]

[obsidian escarp]

their teams are all diff

im lost

[tropic summit]

alternatively thinking indom on scarlet for killing post noah burst

[glad meteor]

But I haven’t tested enough

[restive heart]

idk man might be youre on cp deficit

scarlet might die instantly

[restive heart]

yep thats the thing. all enemies have different teams so everytime you fight them you gonna need new attack teams.

[tropic summit]

505199 : 426936 = 100 : x
x= 84,5%, i'm on 15,5% CP dif

[obsidian escarp]

thank you all kinzari

[glad meteor]

No whiff

[tropic summit]

the other teams are on 14% ish

[restive heart]

yep youre on cp deficit

[restive heart]

@obsidian escarp if you want to attack an enemy, ping me maybe i can help you make atk teams

[obsidian escarp]

thank you thank you

after reset lol

[restive heart]

i just realized its sp arena, i thought its rookie

[tropic summit]

on the second team (with sanis) i'm sitting on 10% CP deficit

[restive heart]

dang thats a strong noise there

[tropic summit]

but i'm less confident on burst gen with that one

[restive heart]

have you tried noah-sAnis-Redhood-Biscuit-jackal?

[tropic summit]

although it's 2 SGs feeding jackal

[restive heart]

is your laplace has fav item?

[tropic summit]

yup

[restive heart]

i think you wont have problems on burst gem

[worthy knoll]

Just put your centi on P1

[tropic summit]

this one is out of question due to CP gap unfortunately

[worthy knoll]

No feed from P1, no need to risk letting Scarlet die by having Rh hit her

The 2 SGs hitting Jackal is already enough feed

[tropic summit]

oh interesting

[restive heart]

oh yeah. his team might go 2.5 rl with since 2sg feed jackal right?

[worthy knoll]

Its at least +28% BG already at 2 RL time with those 2 SGs

[tropic summit]

so recapping, this one suggested by Merry with Centi on p1 goes with 14% CP gap

scarlet is not exposed, feed is on jackal, CP gap is barely enough to not suffer penalty

[restive heart]

welp thats 2rl alr

[restive heart]

bro gonna fight lvl 358 whale

[tropic summit]

yeah im near end of season, i want to send a message

i'm secured on rank 3 anyway

[restive heart]

https://tenor.com/view/the-dark-knight-its-about-sending-a-message-joker-heath-ledger-the-joker-gif-18201880

this guy finally stopped attacking me

[tropic summit]

the alternative with a 10% CP gap, but exposed scarlet and a bit more burst dmg

my only concern for the one with centi, will the burst be enough to wipe their team beside noah and biscuit? 🤔 @worthy knoll

[worthy knoll]

Is your Laplace linked in that team?

[worthy knoll]

Assuming that is Laplace+ it should since she is chipping redhood

[tropic summit]

wow... my RH and scarlet have literally same atk stats, just noticed

[worthy knoll]

You compute it including atk OL lines

[tropic summit]

in this case who will jackal buff beside laplace who sits on 83k

oh in that case scarlet wins with 1 more OL line of atk %

[worthy knoll]

2 with the highest
BaseAtk x (1+ total OL% atk)
Gets linked to Jackal

BaseAtk is already the atk you see on the Nikke stat screen

[tropic summit]

so if both have same atk% on stats, but scarlet got 4 lines of OL atk and RH only got 2, scarlet is deemed highest atk among the two, if i got it right?

[worthy knoll]

Depends but more likely

[tropic summit]

🤔

[worthy knoll]

Coz it could be 4 atk% of low value vs 2 black atk lines

[tropic summit]

oh no it's 4 lvl 10ish OL lines against 2 lvl 10ish lines

[worthy knoll]

Ahh then yes

[tropic summit]

well damn learned something new today

[worthy knoll]

Again I said more likely but it still depends on the value

[tropic summit]

yeah reasonable

[worthy knoll]

Also another thing that could help

Lets say you have Jackal and then 2 link units

Your trying to get feed from 2 SGs on P5 position

[tropic summit]

so based on what we discussed, we've either:

1. extra wipe dmg with exposed scarlet and 10% cp gap
2. less wipe dmg, but non exposed scarlet and 14% cp gap

which has the highest chance of wiping them while ensuring survival?

i'll add it as it's to be considered, RH will cast burst II aswell taunting a RL from noah which may increase their burst gen on the second team

[worthy knoll]

In an example on your team, assuming your Laplace is fully treasured, it means its max SR dolled already, its better to place Lap+ P5 instead of Jackal if your Jackal isn't also SR15

[tropic summit]

checking

nope, jackal item is not maxed

SR5

[worthy knoll]

Then its better to place Lap+ on P5.. well assuming she is linked that is

[tropic summit]

she's linked ye

lap is top atk dmg%, the second is scarlet third is RH

[worthy knoll]

Then yeah, that way you take less damage

[tropic summit]

uhuh interesting

so something like this:

[worthy knoll]

Yeah

The exception when not to do that if somehow they use Rosanna with an SG

Well its more a case to case for that though

But if there is Rosanna, Laplace is no longer linked at P5 after 1 RL

Means no more feed at that time onwards, but if it was jackal there you can still get feed even after dispel since its Jackal who procs the skill who they are hitting

[tropic summit]

let's say that in the general case having jackal at p5 will, one way or another, ensure SG feed

[worthy knoll]

Yeah

[tropic summit]

although if you wanna reduce dmg taken having the highest dmg reduction nikke but with highest atk (or linked) in p5 is optmized

[worthy knoll]

Highest damage reduction, also as long it doesn't mess up your burst priority

[tropic summit]

got it, thank you @worthy knoll learned something new 🤔

[misty valve]

What’re the best sp arena teams I can make without scarlet? 🥲

[worthy knoll]

If your RH was linked don't do that even if she is SR15

It'll be Jackal bursting and not RH if you do that

[tropic summit]

yeah burst order

[rain totem]

Anyone have some suggestions 2nd team i can beat with the current team or with scarlet and jackel but team 1 and 3 i get wiped no matter what i do

[worthy knoll]

How much CP is your Scarlet Blanc RH Noir Jackal?

[rain totem]

One sec

[tropic summit]

scarlet is not mandatory to compete on high ranks, don't worry if you're without her

taking a look anyway, let's see

[tropic summit]

just to confirm, is your laplace treasured and do you have emilia, just not levelled up/geared or don't have her at all?

[worthy knoll]

Use that in Team 3, don't forget Quantum on Jackal

[misty valve]

No and no, can’t treasure if it isn’t mlb

[worthy knoll]

For team1 check how much cp this is Noah Centi Emi Anis(RL) Noise

[worthy knoll]

Yeah it should be fine, use that for team 1

[rain totem]

K ill try

[worthy knoll]

For team 2, lets see

You have Cindy?

Lets try this one, Moran Cinderella Biscuit Makima then any clip SG, Sugar should be fine I guess

[rain totem]

@worthy knoll god thank you i have wasted so many gems on that today trying diffrent things and you solved it so fast

[worthy knoll]

👌

[tropic summit]

check how your CP fares with these

[misty valve]

I like the visual, thank you. Might have to invest in bay, rumani, and anis. What’s the skill priorities for those three?

[tropic summit]

ok, for anis you can replace her with viper, as i can see you seem to have invest a bit on her

[swift mango]

Team 2 is playing a dangerous game though. They can just bring 3 shot gun and beat you easily. Only work when you attack.

[tropic summit]

can rotate centi in p5 and rh in p3 if you want extra safety i guess

also since centi has bodies, might be worth it

[swift mango]

That's how it's commonly made yeah

[misty valve]

So switch rh and centi positions, anis for viper, and does rumani slot in better than rapunzel in team 1?

[tropic summit]

fixing it now

[tropic summit]

centi is in team 3 already so it was probably a copy paste error in the first place, should be good now

[misty valve]

Cool cool I’ll give them a try

Still ok to switch anis for viper?

[tropic summit]

but ye team 1 and team 3 are fairly solid, you've also resistance to nukes, team 2 is gonna rely on indom on SBS

[tropic summit]

correct, if CP is impacted a lot, i'd rather put viper

[misty valve]

I’m surprised there’s no soda bunny, moran, or rapunzel though

[tropic summit]

it depends a lot on what you facing

if you still lose often, you could consider playing more on stall teams than burst oriented teams

moran and rapu for example are more typical on stall teams

[misty valve]

Gotcha

Old teams were:

Blanc, Ein, Rh, Noir, Viper
Moran, Biscut, s.anis, centi, bunny soda
Noah, noise, sbs, crown, jackal

But I’d gotten a lot of new units since then and was just wondering if I could make better teams with them

[tropic summit]

although there are even more fearsome ones

[misty valve]

Would that team be good for rookie arena? I like the way it looks

[tropic summit]

on rookie i'd rather go for quick bursts, but again depends what you got in your bracket

if you dealing against scarlets, you want noah in there

if you dealing with sanis and sustain/delayed bursts, you want something that can either wipe them quick(AoE wipes) or disrupt (SGs), or outlast (blanc)

[misty valve]

The only guy in my bracket beating me right now is using

Doro, sbs, crown, bunny soda, and naga

[tropic summit]

that's awfully slow RL

and no biscuit/noah/jackal

he's probably using something else to attack you

[swift mango]

Or just a 🐳

[misty valve]

I just suck at making arena teams 😅

[swift mango]

That team won't win any of yourteam at same level

[tropic summit]

if you dealing against Doro, sbs, crown, bunny soda, and naga, then you could go:

put this team against their team and show us how the CPs look

[misty valve]

For me that’s 203k and their team is 392k

[tropic summit]

oh ok blood was on point

[swift mango]

Instant lose

[tropic summit]

it's a whalino

[swift mango]

Try again later

[tropic summit]

anything that is 15% difference from your CP gives you a massive stat debuff

[swift mango]

Maybe ask them to bring all blue so you have a chance

[tropic summit]

if you wanna make that calculation just multiply your current CP x 100 then divided for the enemy CP, you'll get your % and if it's below 85%, just skip

in your case that'd be (203k x 100) / 392k = 51%

e.g. 49% CP deficit

[misty valve]

I just have to get modified gear on my other units, I was pretty much just focused on maxing out my main team of crown, liter, naga, Alice, and sbs which is at 415k

[tropic summit]

hmm

[misty valve]

The rest of my units fall a fair bit short in comparison

[tropic summit]

centi sbs liter biscuit alice, how's your CP on this one in case?

[swift mango]

Try auto team and tell us your CP first

[misty valve]

327k

[swift mango]

Oh lol

[misty valve]

415k, it’s the story team I listed lol

[tropic summit]

17% CP gap still, dayum

but closer at least

[misty valve]

I really just have to invest in the core pvp units

[worthy knoll]

In my case, I just multiply enemy CP by .846, if team cp above the value you pass, if below its on penalty

[swift mango]

How about your story team + Jackal?

That should be enough.

[misty valve]

Instead of naga? Or who

[swift mango]

Any one lowest cp

[misty valve]

That would be crown

[tropic summit]

i'd avoid using crown out of all those 4, slowest burst gen

[misty valve]

Ok cool

[tropic summit]

maybe something like this then

what's CP on this one?

[misty valve]

376k

[tropic summit]

yeah you getting there

[misty valve]

😁

I’ll use that for now then! Thank you so much for your help

[tropic summit]

5% cp gap, you got it

[misty valve]

And I’ll invest in centi, biscuit, and some other core units for pvp

[tropic summit]

it's likely that you'll wipe at the moment SBS hits burst, if it doesn't, she'll kill shortly after

[misty valve]

Awesome. I really appreciate all the advice

[swift mango]

How did you fare with this match up? I wager it would lose.

[tropic summit]

very close

i'm short on dmg to wipe

could attempt with pmaid next

[swift mango]

Oh you got to 2 RL with feed and dodge their Noah lol

[tropic summit]

she has something like 200% multiplier more

yeah the feed from 2 SGs make it very quick, i'll share vid

[swift mango]

It's their 50+ lv difference that did most work.

[tropic summit]

ikr

but it's a fun challange if anything

[swift mango]

Blanc probably could win it.

Nah...

[tropic summit]

i was thinking that, im short on CP on her on the other hand

[swift mango]

Won't reach 2rl

[tropic summit]

the alternative i had in mind was something like this

even if it doesn't reach 2RL, if scarlet stays alive, they might die to counters

it's 10 seconds of counters

[swift mango]

Their 50+ lv difference could did the work and tank your Scarlet solo

7 sec of damage at 1 HP vs whole team max HP.

[tropic summit]

nah i think drake and noir basicly are near death by then

[swift mango]

50lv difference... Noah reduce Scarlet AtK too

[tropic summit]

you'd have realistically biscuit rh and noah to kill with counters

[swift mango]

Idk

Biscuits would likely trigger Noah for another 5 sec immortal

[tropic summit]

3 seconds, but ye

[tropic summit]

wait nvm you're right

[swift mango]

5 though. So only 2 s for damage

[tropic summit]

that's noah with 3s, biscuit is 5s

dayum that's a lot of time

FYI how it went @worthy knoll , thank you for the tips meanwhile

[tropic summit]

^

[swift mango]

If you could use Crown instead of S.Anis and still reach the 2RL you should win

I mean bursting with crown

Doubt it though

So nvm

[tropic summit]

yeah that's tough

she's built so no issue on CP wise, but the RL...

wonder if pmaid would be enough?

that's a 120%-ish extra multiplier, which i could potentially even increase

(lvl 8 atm)

she also gets an extra 10% buff on her own

[swift mango]

Scarlet also get her AtK from s1 though

Should be 2 stack by 2 RL no?

[tropic summit]

ah true

yeah it's most likely stacked up to 4-5 stacks

well RIP, guess i can't rival wallet afterall

[worthy knoll]

Oof why did you remove your Laplace+, she was suppose to be your kicker to finish of a dying RH

[tropic summit]

i found out she's the 3rd damage dealer, so she won't enter jackal's buff

the OL lines basically turn out RH and scarlet are the highest ATK%

[worthy knoll]

Oh so she is unlinked, you could have proceeded with just Jackal on P5 then

[tropic summit]

yeah, my try for tomorrow together with the blanc one

let's see how it goes

[swift mango]

How is your Laplace comparing to S.Anis in CP?

[tropic summit]

even higher than s.anis

[swift mango]

Could work I guess

[worthy knoll]

Mmh, just in case you don't know, SAnis doesn't buff Scarlet Burst Slash

[tropic summit]

comparison:

[tropic summit]

yeah, seems like it

[swift mango]

Again with the missing window lol?

[tropic summit]

if it's working as intended, RH has a short window where she'll get splash damage from 1 laplace rocket and might finish her remaining 10%ish HP

the dream... could happen

[worthy knoll]

SAnis buff applies when entering full burst, it means after B3. That means B3 electric nuke don't get affected by SAnis buff

[swift mango]

Yeah that's the missing window burst again.

[tropic summit]

sadge...

[swift mango]

They should just remove this issue smh

[tropic summit]

description also doesn't help

should say "activates for all damage applied after initial burst"

or something like that at least

[swift mango]

Well, I guess it help but we don't know which units nuke before full burst or after full burst before testing lol...

Ein should be buffed by S.Anis no?

[tropic summit]

her feathers likely

i'm assuming cindy on the other hand probably doesn't get that buff

even if she's multihitting during burst

[swift mango]

Keripo said Ein and B.Soda are the rare cases who nuke after full burst...

So they receive 50% dmg up from full burst bonus

I guess S.Anis also working like full burst bonus here.

[swift mango]

Right? @worthy knoll

[worthy knoll]

Yeah they do get the full burst bonus on their Nuke

[swift mango]

I mean S.Anis s1 and Full burst bonus being the same timing.

[worthy knoll]

Yeah

They are similar with their timings

[swift mango]

The game dev either need to clarify this in skill description somehow or make all units the same because this is not a good presentation.

Not many people would learn about this just play the game normally.

Without looking for outside info.

I mean the nuke timing difference.

[tropic summit]

tbf prior to today i only had doubts, now i guess confirmed

[nocturne arrow]

#pvp-arena message

I have biscuits and noise now.
Can i defeat him, if so, how to do it?

[tropic summit]

post the matchup again if u dont mind

[nocturne arrow]

Im on phone now
The video is on my laptop. Which is why i can only link it for now

[tropic summit]

is it this one?

[nocturne arrow]

Yes

[swift mango]

Try SBS instead and make sure she gets the Blanc buff. Ein just doesn't have enough dmg.

[tropic summit]

i'm thinking, why not bypass their biscuit/jackal and just get a strong wipe off? i'm expecting you'll at least kill noise and biscuit, leaving privaty s.anis and jackal due to jackal's buff

at that point they lack burst II

won't burst then it is gg

[swift mango]

He doesn't have any wiper built

[tropic summit]

oh snap

[swift mango]

Ein is his most invested screen wiper but she just doesn't do enough.

[tropic summit]

indeed

was this one attempted?

(not sure he has noise from the shared SS tho)

[swift mango]

Thanks

[swift mango]

How about Cinderella? Her burst is pretty slow, shouldn't she get the buff from s.Anis?

[worthy knoll]

Mmh, I don't think so since its only her animation is slow but not the damage calculation behind 🤔

[swift mango]

Alright I will try hitting the same team in rookie with and without S.Anis to find out.

[worthy knoll]

I'm not sure, you can test it on Union Range, one with SAnis and one with not, check if the damage is far apart

[swift mango]

It feel like she did when I used S.Anis with her to burst the team I wasn't able to before with a non buffer but it could be just the after damage or personal damage from s.anis so I would test again tomorrow.

[tropic summit]

well shit

absolutely no buffing from s.anis on her burst

the 5s difference you see in the time is due to taking longer to hit burst, but i doubt it impacts in any way

[swift mango]

Also, Liter is a pretty bad buffer for prolong fight. Her buff only last 5 sec and it's actually less than 4 sec after entering full burst. Which then nullified by Privaty 3sec stun.

Emilia would lose Liter buff after full charge for example.

Also try using Crown instead of Liter. Burst with Blanc Ofc so.

Ein/SBS/S.Anis+Blanc+Crown+Centi+Jackal.

Blanc would trigger Crown s2 dmg buff and Ein/SBS/S Anis would eat the full 10 sec from crown s1 attack buff.

Not to mention Crown RL buff help with S.Anis if she's not 10-x-10

[swift mango]

Why Cindy deal less damage on pic 2 though?

[tropic summit]

1 million is hardly different, probably due to when i press spacebar 1 second earlier

if s.anis was impacting cindy you'd see something like 30-40% difference

or at least, i'd expect this increase:

then again maybe i'm assuming wrong

[swift mango]

Not that much I bet. The buff diluted by Cindy self atk buff. Liter buff.etc. But Idk

[swift mango]

It's better to check the numbers on enemies' heads when the nuke is dropped. But there is also timing of Crown s2.

[tropic summit]

hmm i could also try cindy s.anis jackal and cindy jackal and see the difference without other buffs in between

gonna get a filler burst II in between, maybe anis

[silk current]

hey sorry, i want to ask u, how do u build them for pvp, just follow the overloads and skill priority on nikke. gg then i'm good?

thanks for building the team for me btw

[tropic summit]

still getting essentially same result, seems consistant

i added the pics with the numbers popping up when burst hits raptures

[swift mango]

Yeah it's confirmed then

[tropic summit]

meaning, i wont use s.anis anymore with scarlet and p.maid, useless on burst (beside personal dmg and follow up dmg ofc)

[swift mango]

Well her 5th shot at 2.5 RL still does quite a lot of dmg.

And she still buffing Scarlet solo dmg later on

[tropic summit]

yeah, but if i wanna bypass with splash dmg i've better option, such as laplace

[swift mango]

Yeah

[tropic summit]

but ye worth keeping in mind, it's still dmg output nevertheless 🤔

[desert musk]

I'm waiting for noise to pull, would moran meanwhile fit in here?

[glad meteor]

Put in a b2 buffer or burst gen unit, ein could probably be replaced

Unless she’s there for cp

[swift mango]

People often recommend Maxwell to buff Cindy in the campaign. I guess it's just to buff her normal attack.

[desert musk]

the issue is I only would have anis but then she wouldve need to be in the middle which kinda ruins it I feel like. The next option would be red hood

[swift mango]

Centi or Anis

So you reach 3rl..

[tropic summit]

keep in mind burst order if you wanna replace ein with RH, as jackal in p1 will eat burst I

[tropic summit]

any defender with burst gen in p5 to fill it up, for example

which might aswell be jackal

[glad meteor]

Jackal scar biscuit anis ein?

Could swap biscuit and scar if you want

Biscuit burst won’t do much. It’s mostly reserved for sanis

[elder cosmos]

Hi pvp chat
Which 2 teams would you recommend?

[swift mango]

Just do

Scarlet+Anis+RH+Biscuit+Jackal.

Done

[elder cosmos]

If got the mood then would appreciate the third team with whatever is left, I don't need it for it to be strong, two of them should be fine

[desert musk]

Aight I try this one thanks

[still fern]

can someone give me 3 team i should build for pvp

[tropic summit]

hey, post your roster so we can see what you got to build them

[still fern]

okie.

• cinderella. i just havent bought her yet hoping to get her on my free last roll XD

[still fern]

is theere anything good?

[tropic summit]

once you hit centi/noah the 3rd team especially could get drastically improved, 1st and 2nd team can hold their ground

[elder cosmos]

i see, much appreciated

[tropic summit]

yeah you've some meta nikke, gonna do dailies then take a look if noone else does

[still fern]

thankss <333

[elder cosmos]

I didn't expect such approach but very, very appreciated mate

[fervent void]

anyone got recommendation of good rookie arena DEF team?
got everyone except moran
rumani and bay is unbuilt

[still fern]

THERE IS A DEF TEAM?

[tropic summit]

rookie def team, rookie atk team, sp arena 3 teams for atk and defense

essentially you gonna need at least 15 nikke, possibly built

[still fern]

nooooo i probs have the worst units in def teamsss TwT i didnttt know TwT

those 15 units are the ones who i would be using for pve content too tho right?

[tropic summit]

don't worry, we all started from there

in part some can

some pvp nikke are exclusively or mostly pvp oriented

[fervent void]

lower sync keep beating me, dunno what i can improve

[tropic summit]

start posting your teams we can reverse engineer what counters them

[fervent void]

i tried some
scarlet - blanc - rh - centi - jackal
alice - blanc - rh - centi - jackal

just tried this today but also lose:
cindy - noah - rh - biscuit - jackal @tropic summit

no moran sadly, rumani is unbuilt im afraid it will make me lose more CP than i should
the lower sync guy has higher CP than me, he kinda 🐳 💀

[swift mango]

SBS+Blanc+Alice+Noir+Jackal. (Quantum lv3 on Jackal, could put on Noir too if level 2, otherwise vigor on noir) 3RL

Moran+Viper+Anis+Pepper+Cindy. 3rl

Rumani+Privaty+Grave+Biscuit+Drake (3rl)

Since I already made it.

[swift mango]

For a different guy sorry

[fervent void]

npnp

[tropic summit]

@swift mango think it was for this one

[swift mango]

Yes. His roster was good enough so I built him 3 decent team

[tropic summit]

fyi @elder cosmos you can try these teams from Blood aswell

[swift mango]

Wanted to tried Privaty + Grave for awhile lol

[elder cosmos]

i see

[tropic summit]

yeah privaty tends to get underestimated

[swift mango]

Finally a guy with more built privaty

[elder cosmos]

thanks you two, much appreciated

[tropic summit]

i ran privaty for a long while myself

until i landed pmaid and built up other meta ones

[elder cosmos]

well, I didn't run Privaty for too long, but I still decided to build her since i thought why not, "I'll just invest for future, let's see how it'll go"

[still fern]

what i had on my defense... fk me...

[elder cosmos]

I swapped Privaty with Asuka + Alice as soon as i got them :P

[fervent void]

at least now you know theres def team too

[still fern]

cheers to that XD

[elder cosmos]

yeah that's almost the most problem in PvP

i see a lot of people do that, idk why

do, as of forget about defense

[still fern]

welp at least there were a lot of enemies i could pick from who had teams like that n beat them XD

just now there was a 1 1 1 308 1 (lvls)

[tropic summit]

some people tend to forget to fix their lineup after messing with synchro

[still fern]

TwT

[fervent void]

what else is the meta def team for rookie?

[upper grove]

thanks everyone for all the advice yesterday, I cooked him again

[still fern]

btw whenever u get to looking at my units n telling me what teams to use. do i copy paste those to def?

[tropic summit]

yeah pretty much, positioning is relevant due to burst order

[upper grove]

my Alice could bridge the CP gap unlike cindy and she killed the scarlet immediately

[tropic summit]

the alice snipes

good ol' times

[swift mango]

@elder cosmos

If you tried Railtracer team you may want to to go with

Viper+Rapunzel+QuencyEQ+Rossana+Anis and invest on Rossana s2.maybe lv4, 5.

[upper grove]

my alice is omega invested, she has almost 70k while the rest is 50k or less 4 ammo lines as well

my RL batteries have like 25k-27k

[tropic summit]

yeah was a good decision then

[swift mango]

Ye Alice is good so long as no Blanc, Noah, Biscuit to block her.

[dim sapphire]

Sanis doesnt buff cinderella in pvp?

[tropic summit]

yeah we kinda checked it ourselves today

[dim sapphire]

welp

[tropic summit]

this

@dim sapphire

[swift mango]

Not the burst nuke but the auto attack and dot damage after.

[elder cosmos]

oh, no i still haven't

[tropic summit]

any followup does get buffed, but not the aoe laz0rs

[elder cosmos]

i might go with yours actually

[dim sapphire]

ah okay

[dim sapphire]

this with burst or aa

[tropic summit]

burst only

[swift mango]

She also doesn't buff Cindy nuke in campaign since he tested it in Shoot ground.

[elder cosmos]

@swift mango also if you don't mind i still don't know the terminology, I'd like if you spelled them 😅

[tropic summit]

crosscheck how your CP is distributed, then consider what you wanna go for (especially toward investiment)

any nikke that serves both pvp and pve should likely be your main priority

[elder cosmos]

yeah, that's true

but i try to invest in some pvp Nikkes too rn

[tropic summit]

yeah that's fine, just don't neglect campaign progress as daily income does matter down the road

[swift mango]

RL is basically the speed of the team. The smaller the better. 3RL is the common speed to aim for)

Vigor and Quantum are harmony cube...

[elder cosmos]

So far they're Biscuit, Jackal, Moran, Rumani and Drake
Moran and Drake since they popped sooner than others and i used them a while, others since i decided to invest in them
That's about "pvp only" Nikkes so far

[swift mango]

My Team 1 is actually 3.4RL without the Quantum cube or feed to Jackal skill 1.

[still fern]

.

[elder cosmos]

Outside of them i did invest into both Privaty, Rei.A, Asuka, Cinderella and Alice

I don't remember about others

[swift mango]

Rei.A is good nuke. Asuka doesn't do much in arena.

[elder cosmos]

oh yeah, my bad :P

might invest into Maiden too, idk

still haven't

[swift mango]

Just focus on your campaign team for now. And the rest is just coming later.

[elder cosmos]

Sure mate

I was just waiting about campaign till i were to get grandma

since i got her, I'll try to push it as far as i can

so far i got into 21 chapter (just started it), not bad ig