pvp-arena

[coarse lake]

getting farmed in rookie?

[covert lintel]

i often lost both atk and defense in rookie

[coarse lake]

rip that doesn't help us figuring out what they track

[grizzled bone]

[raven plover]

caishen isnt day 1 right

4.6k

[grizzled bone]

i'm week 1 apparently

when i picked up the game i didnt know what it was released

[raven plover]

I only have like 3.2k battles, day 1

do they count defs

[grizzled bone]

no idea lol

https://tenor.com/view/yes-gif-18412682

@raven plover lets see yours

[rich quail]

Riokie counts?

That alone killed my win percentage, then

I didn’t make much effort making my first team and stuck with it for months

[copper creek]

im surprised my win % is so high considering how many times i went to test weird teams lmao

i expected closer to 70

[coarse lake]

ok so

yeah the stats include defends

had an early account check, and rookie defends do count

not sure about SP stats

but it definitely counts rookie atk + rookie defend

[vapid lake]

means some people get attacked 100 times a day

i know someone who started around same time as me but he has x1.5 more battles

[graceful grotto]

Bait defense is real

[vapid lake]

Or he's the guy that gets bullied in rookie arena for free wins

[swift mango]

Could get Cindy to p5

[clear trail]

What would you say about him not agreeing with that comp #pvp-arena message + #pvp-arena message cuz I’m confused now what to pick 😅

[swift mango]

If you could make those team and still have high CP then go for it, it's fine.

T1 is 2rl Cindy

T2 is common 3rl S.Anis team.

T3 is flex.

[raven plover]

ok nvm 3.7k

some guys got 5k and isnt even day 1

[raven plover]

ahh this makes sense

my most defs coming from SP

my old bracket I barely def on rookie back then

[storm quail]

[clear trail]

Will check later the cp values, thanks for your time 🙏

[keen vapor]

Farming daily 5 attempts is good

[keen vapor]

20 hours

[grizzled bone]

mine is 18

sometimes the game is just on

[grizzled bone]

lol sounds like getting bullied

[mighty haven]

I feel like this is tiny for 6 months

[spiral onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/what-why-huh-steve-harvey-confused-gif-6635700999048861727

[brittle hill]

You already explained it nicely here. I didn't scroll up to see it #pvp-arena message

[swift mango]

Keep in mind that there is no point copy pasta meta teams if you are just gonna be 15.4% power gap and die to normal attack anyway.

[graceful grotto]

So far is there any used for the newest cube over tempering and other cubes in pvp?

[spiral onyx]

The new HP recover on below threshold one?
Imo no cause the current meta is 1-shot cleave

I have a pretty low win rate cause most of my fights are me testing out new cooks, half of which don't work lol

[swift mango]

Onlinr 16.3 hours a day . Must be playing on PC.

[delicate sequoia]

so SPA dont count?

[raven plover]

idk ser

[mighty haven]

....actually, that was my 2nd day of Nikke, and all spent on phone

didn't know there was a PC client then

[swift mango]

Your phone must be hurting it's back from all that carrying.

Not as much as Keripo though.

[clear trail]

my account is already bricked in pvp cuz im day1+f2p player that come back and started playing daily with 1.5aniv so im 600-700k cp facing 1.5M opponents, all i do is fish some players that mess their synchro and forget about 1-2 nikkes, that ended me up in diamond 7-9

[swift mango]

Bruh. Then there is no point in defense team.

We should stop wasting each other time here.

[copper creek]

i was surprised my win rate was so high lol cuz 90% of my testing just didnt work 🤣

i like how the lower the win rate is, the stronger/smarter the player

probably - there are easy exceptions for sure

[clear trail]

idk, there are players like me (comebackers) that lose when they attack me so i dont lose everything, i have 94% win ratio according to 2nd anniv memories

its just that i need to click that reroll more than others

but its not the end of the world

[swift mango]

Well, the dudes that got beaten by 10;attacks a day and ended up 33% win rate are the smartest of us all.

[restive canyon]

I don't know how to build Special Arena teams, plz halp

[spiral onyx]

Outside of testing, I dont really do much arena, so my rate isn't fluffed up with free wins

and no one attacks me

Id imagine those with the highest win rates are the ones running good comps in lower ranks, e.g. winning all their attacks and defences

[stiff oasis]

Hey guys need help with pvp team set up

What I have currently

[upper grove]

For pvp, do I upgrade chest > helm > boots > gloves for tanks and helm > chest > gloves > boots for dps?

[chilly furnace]

Me fr

Its rookie anyway

[still oxide]

I need help building a Rookie and Special team for pvp i received help earlier but it recomeneded me 2 characters that i do not have can anyone help me build a team with characters that i have.

[swift mango]

Moran+Grave+Anis+Cindy+Maiden (3.5RL) Even if you wipe late vs 3rl, Cindy would likely survive and wipe them if they don't have Noah/Blanc. If Maiden keep dying, use Neon and put her in P4.

Ein+blanc+RH+Noir+Jackal (3.5RL) (equip Jackal and Noir with Quantum so maybe could reach 3 RL with Feed). Can win vs 3RL even at 3.5RL thanks to Blanc.

Crown+M.Privaty+Rossanna (invest s2 a bit)+Naga+Alice (CP flex, could reach 3RL or more if you luck out and kill + being killed to trigger Rossanna)

[restive canyon]

o thx

[swift mango]

What was that recommend with 2 character that you don't have? Your line up look familiar, link me to that one. If it was me telling you to use Anis+Neon but you say you don't have them then it's no help, you are too whale for this one.

[restive canyon]

is this attack or defense btw

[still oxide]

Oh i see that is why i never found them but how much do i need to invest on purple anis and neon. And what whale i only bought the crown skin

[swift mango]

Defense. You could try to Atk with matching team 1-2 with enemies.

Noise to replace Moran could make t1 3RL but Noise could die easier than Moran.

Maiden to Ein could make t2 reach 3 RL naturally without feed.

[swift mango]

Put them into synchro machine. Gear them and 3/3/3 them.

[restive canyon]

o thx

[still oxide]

and i assume that the order that you put in the nikkes that is the order that it should be put on right?

[swift mango]

Yeah

[still oxide]

ok thanks

just like this i should not upgrade thier equipment

[swift mango]

You could put matching spar Manu t9 on them if you have.

Or putting Manu T9 that you planning to OL on them temporary.

[swift mango]

In the long run, Anis want OL for CP padding if you invest in PvP. Neon will be phase out when you get better units.

[restive canyon]

how about 3rd attack team

[swift mango]

Just flex.

And attack team you often need to build your own or come here and screenshot the other guy and ask.

[restive canyon]

oh damn

thanks

[spiral onyx]

Old AGF screenshot of my 211 win streak. This game had a level cap and a huge PvP unit roster and multiple meta comps so you'd actually have to be good and build per-opponent setups to win

[umbral crown]

Waos

[wild patio]

https://tenor.com/view/draco-malfoy-harry-potter-mewing-mew-slytherin-gif-8263298459687914233

[whole pawn]

can u recommend teams for both def and attack? i also have poli and snow white

[tropic summit]

nikke that are meant to be your damage dealer should focus on damage dealing stats.
nikke that are meant to tank or give sustain (especially healing) are directly linked with HP stat.
keep in mind nikke like blanc select who to give indom to based on max HP, so you gotta beware of the team HP overall during the fight to properly use this

the overall logic you posted isn't generally wrong, just take in consideration what you aiming for in a lineup

[loud sonnet]

[steel meteor]

Hello sorry I need help with building teams for SP arena

[swift mango]

Viper treasure level 2 or 3?

This is pretty important.

[upper grove]

Okay got it, thanks

[whole pawn]

.

[swift mango]

It was lagging and I saw your level as 860 almost spit my milk.

[whole pawn]

I wish

but now I need help tho xd

[steel meteor]

Lv 3

[wild patio]

[swift mango]

How invested is your Alice CP comparing to Rei.A or QuencyEQ?

[whole pawn]

well as u can see she s higher

although she isnt full ol

[swift mango]

Anis+Viper+Biscuit+Cindy+Purepunzel

SBS+Blanc+RH+B.Soda+Jackal (quantum on Jackal and B.Soda)

Moran+Alice+Bay+Drake+Maiden.

[whole pawn]

is this for attack or def

[swift mango]

Just edited t1.

You could use them to attack but you need to know your opponent team to pick on them. Then you want to learn and make your own atK team if you want to win more.

[swift mango]

Anis+Viper+Biscuit+Cindy+Purepunzel (Could use liter at p4 instead of PurePunzel)

SBS+Blanc+RH+B.Soda+Jackal (quantum on Jackal and B.Soda)

Moran+Alice+Bay+Drake+Maiden.

[whole pawn]

that counter attack thing is smt new to me

[swift mango]

Scarlet+Blanc+RH+Centi+Jackal.

Noah+SBS+Rapunzel+Noir+Naga

Anis+Viper+Biscuit+(Liter/Rouge/Pepper)+Cindy(+PurePunzel). 3.5 RL/3.5/3/3.5 RL.

[static plaza]

Anybody know a good team that can beat this?

[swift mango]

A level 601 team.

[static plaza]

So basically dk / skip

[coarse lake]

blanc emi (might need jackal), or shooting range'd RH

[static plaza]

Rh Blanc is a bad idea since u just going to shoot Noah until burst down = u lose

[coarse lake]

not if you abuse shooting range bug

biscuit will die first

[long chasm]

And recommend for deff sp arena?

Mainly enemies use tim 1 scarlet rosana burst, tim 2 sanis noah, tim 3 blanc emilia rh

[static plaza]

How to do that bug?
Have no info on what that bug do

[coarse lake]

been a bit since last confirmation it works, but what you do is go into a shooting range fight

immediately esc and exit out of it

then do the pvp fight right after

[glad meteor]

Use noah biscuit buffed sanis against cindy team?

[swift mango]

Feel like this would win pretty easy.

Use they out CP him.

[swift mango]

Like K said, why not just

Noah + b1 buffer + Biscuit + S.Anis + Burst gen

Catch their nuke. Tank with Noah+Biscuit and let S.Anis does her job?

[static plaza]

Like this?
Or switch litter in?

[glad meteor]

Deficit

[coarse lake]

honestly I don't see you having the sustain to win that

but will be interesting to see regardless

replace pepper with noise if you can

[swift mango]

Won't that make them 2RL?

[coarse lake]

both should be 3rl

[swift mango]

Noise taunt and make rumani hit p2.

[coarse lake]

they're never reaching 2rl

and yeah their noah and noise cs would change things a little bit, but shouldn't be a big deal

switching sanis and biscuit positions is also recommended so sanis doesn't get noise taunted

[swift mango]

They could even hit 2.5RL as is. If their Rumani and Noah has like 17% CS.

[coarse lake]

that isn't gonna happen

you can probably win with emilia sub dps as well

rumani will taunt post-burst, so just splash cindy

[swift mango]

Yesterday I told a guy to do just that and her lost. Not everyone have max out Emi+RH+Blanc.

[glad meteor]

• Noah biscuit sanis redhood emi

is my favourite comp for nuke or single target 3rl that isn’t against emi nuke, sanis, laplace+

[coarse lake]

even if emi got indom? that's just invest issue

or you got feed too much due to p1 linked

[swift mango]

He didn't even use Jackal.

Just investment issue.

[glad meteor]

Emi against jackal biscuit needs post burst damage from what I’ve seen

Since invincibility triggers as the damage is being split

[coarse lake]

if you don't use jackal emi prob straight up died

[swift mango]

Liter never work with S.Anis

[swift mango]

But he didn't and it got though and lost.

[coarse lake]

did they post vid

[glad meteor]

I use emi blanc redhood crown jackal to ensure emi survival. Could switch crown with rosanna if s1 7 against jackal but i haven’t tested

[static plaza]

Jack on my other team
Basically this and the team the other team are fight I have hard time to win
I can fight their 2 team ez but been wondering which is easier to win
Going to post my box in a min

[coarse lake]

just do a noah biscuit then

[swift mango]

You could do a 3.5 Scarlet+Blanc. And with against this last second.

[coarse lake]

oh that's the enemy def

[static plaza]

Yeh the 2 team I post are enemy def

[coarse lake]

well

both teams are beat with noah biscuit sustain

which one is lower CP

[static plaza]

Scar at 950k Cindy 1.050k

[coarse lake]

then just deal with the scar team

what cs is your noise and noah

[swift mango]

He just said it's not enough damage and he need invest more.

[coarse lake]

what was his emi invest

I have seen cases where emi gets outlasted by invuln defenders, but a lot of factors go into play with that

[swift mango]

Dude just said s3 lv7. Dude, what's your point? He said he didn't invest enough and you disagree?

[static plaza]

12.41 11.82 respectively no cube
14.53 13.94 with

[coarse lake]

no I want to know the specifics, bc there are other reasons why such a comp would lose

noah/biscuit/noise/bscar/rapunzel, what cp is that

[static plaza]

914k

[coarse lake]

use that against the scar team

record it in case something goes wrong

either give them both cube or give neither of them cube

don't give cube to only 1

[static plaza]

Will do when I get home ty

This should have enough Gen to nuke them right?
@coarse lake

[coarse lake]

assuming your blanc doesn't die

swap centi and anis

anis might die too quick and you lose gen

[quick lake]

Is there any math on if there is an increase in burst gen for 4x cs noah/biscuit/centi kind of units?

[wild patio]

[swift mango]

Is this all happened today or you saved your pics and posted these on same day?

[wild patio]

happened today

[umbral crown]

ready to beat C1?

[wild patio]

https://tenor.com/view/bobby-hill-king-of-the-hill-no-thanks-disappointed-gif-6146201255874252389

[static plaza]

Ty

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

Well, you could trace back like 20 hours and find his case if you want.

Then pm him and ask.

[grizzled bone]

How about we try being a little more friendly when trying to help and collaborate? 🙂

[swift mango]

Well, Idk anymore than that because the dude dipped right after. So asking me anymore just make me mad for no reason.

Not like it's my team.

[umbral crown]

no need to ask, you are getting too high of yourself.. it seems

[swift mango]

Like I said. It was his opinion. And I having no understanding more than that. He didn't even post his team. So why question me about it?

Feel like I'm doing something wrong when I didn't do anything here.

I told him to go Blanc+Emilia+RH+Biscuit+Clip RL

Other guys told him to use Rumani. He agreed. Fight. And came back to say not enough damage. Then dip.

That was the case. And you make it seem like I did something wrong. Wtf?

[umbral crown]

its not about teams, its about the way you asked the question... dude , dude.. you know when you say that is not in a nice way and more since you said it x2 pointing out something that its obvious

[steel meteor]

Dang I didn’t know u can pair RH with scarlet tgt

Thanks a lot I’ll go try it out now

Btw, if I managed to get rumani, Moran and ludmilla are they gonna be better substitutes or nay

[lunar dirge]

pvp works way differently from pve,95% of teams are winning in 1 fb

[steel meteor]

I see

Ig I needa take a deeper look into PvP

[swift mango]

You mean the t3 where I post lots options? Rumani probably better than all of them thanks to being clip RL defender, also Moran making your team tankier, but Liter would still contribute more CP since she is likely your campaign unit.

[junior onyx]

need help 3 teams arena T.T

[shy blaze]

Hey I’m new here and I could really use some help on team building for pvp and arena so I can capitalize on the rankings and rewards

[swift mango]

You should post your team by screen shot the character box listed by power. There are many guys online right now that could help at this hour of the day.

[shy blaze]

Sweet thank !

[swift mango]

I often want to help guys level 250 below though. Since not many bothered with them and their roster wouldnt often making me jealous lol.

[shy blaze]

I’m not at 250 yet. I saved a lot of materials and when I got to 200 it ate all of that up lol.

I’m sitting at 209 right now.

[swift mango]

Do your Scarlet and Cindy invested?

[swift mango]

I mean how much is their CP comparing to maid privaty?

Scarlet and Cindy is meta DPS in pvp. But your Maiden and Maid privaty looks like it's much stronger than those 2.

[steel meteor]

Ahh thank u so much again!!!

[shy blaze]

She is a little over 25000

[swift mango]

Sorry you don't have Rumani, need edit

[shy blaze]

I’m also missing red hood and biscuit. Life would be so much easier if I just had those three lol.

[swift mango]

Noise+Noah(quantum equipped)+Rapunzel+Viper+Cinderella (3rl)

Scarlet++Grave+Emilia+Anis+Jackal (2rl)

Moran+Maid Privaty+Bay+Noir+Centi (3rl)

Well you look like under leveled 1 year+ old account though. Good luck.

[shy blaze]

Thanks again! I did step away for a little while so now I’m trying to play catch up.

[swift mango]

Equip doll on them, especially Scarlet and Cindy.

Team 3 could be Moran+M.Privaty/Alice+Bay+Centi+Maiden for more CP.

[stiff oasis]

Would be very much appreciated

[umbral crown]

SP Defense
Scarlet/Laplace+/Liter/Centi/Jackal
Noah/Noise/Cinderella/Biscuit/Rapunzel
Blanc/SBS/Emilia/Red Hood/Noir

[keen vapor]

Isn't that too low synch?

[umbral crown]

for who?

[keen vapor]

For him

He should be 340 synch or something

[umbral crown]

maybe he has some boxes left

[keen vapor]

Ahuhe

[umbral crown]

not like echo

[stiff oasis]

Yeah, I have a lot of resources I have not been using

A LOT

[umbral crown]

[stiff oasis]

Been going through the story first

[umbral crown]

show a bit

[stiff oasis]

Thank you!!

[umbral crown]

[keen vapor]

Oh, right, need to push first

[stiff oasis]

How can you tell lolol

[umbral crown]

i got a feeling... like the song

[stiff oasis]

Copyright

[stiff oasis]

Only defense?
Not attack?

[umbral crown]

attack will depends what enemy has

[stiff oasis]

Oohhh

[umbral crown]

you can always post their teams here and people will help you to beat them

[stiff oasis]

OK! Thank you!!

[umbral crown]

you have 2k doll kits?

[umbral crown]

lets see your resources to give you some suggestions

pvp related

[stiff oasis]

You really wanna see??

Its BAD lol
I have been hoarding for a year

Been waiting for Cindy

[umbral crown]

[stiff oasis]

Ill DM you

[umbral crown]

can be posted here as well

[stiff oasis]

No, Im embarrassed

[umbral crown]

[stiff oasis]

Im on the last chapter on normal

And Im stuck at sinister on hard mode 17-33

[keen vapor]

It gets worse next chapter

[stiff oasis]

Ugh...im scared

This a good defense?

[keen vapor]

Swap biscuit and RH

[keen vapor]

Why you censor your enemies lol

[stiff oasis]

I saw some people did it in the past
Idk lol

[keen vapor]

381 :deadge:

[keen vapor]

[umbral crown]

waos

me still at 32-3

[lunar dirge]

pvp merchant

[umbral crown]

some

[stiff oasis]

For how long?

[umbral crown]

maybe 3 weeks or so, im not doing campaign till i get some cp boost to keep pushing, i have 0 pve units invested

[storm quail]

Any hope?

[umbral crown]

maybe but you would need more cp to avoid the deficit

[grizzled bone]

did i hear someone was hoarding?

[keen vapor]

[swift mango]

You mean normal or hard mode?

[umbral crown]

normal

[swift mango]

Ch 32 boss only required 420k

You should be at the blue if you used pvp units and around 301 levels

Should check again

[swift mango]

Their team is like 4RL. Pretty sure if you burst with RH and kill their Blanc you would win. No need to use Cindy. Maybe use someone else to increase the power if you could.

You want around 417k power

[umbral crown]

im 422k with auto team but im sync 283

[glad meteor]

My campaign team is 487k at 321

That’s why I’m upgrading gears. OL 0 not enough

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

Your pvp team can actually be your campaign team.

The only pve unit you really need to level up is a B1.

B1 you have 3 option. Rouge, Liter and DKW, just pick your waifu.

If you go with Rouge she could combo with Blanc you already built.

Now B2, we now have Grave a good buffer for 2RL Scarlet team that's double at PvE top 2.

Crown is good sometime but hard to use on defense team.

Blanc is basically meta.

The B3 could be filled with your PvP nikke. RH, Emilia, Laplace+, Scarlet are good line up for common stage. Cindy, Scarlet and S.Anis are great for bossing. SBS is also great for both mode.

[swift mango]

No reason to cripple yourselves by not building them even a little.

👆

I actually beat sinister with Moran tanking, no need for Naga.

[umbral crown]

im already bricked since my first max doll was rosanna

[swift mango]

Now you already top in your bracket you could at least rise Rouge to 7-7-7 and doll lv5, OL and use

Blanc+Rouge+Cindy+RH+Laplace+/Emilia for everything.

You lose nothing by maxing out their doll anyway.

The other 4 of your team.

[storm quail]

Ended up using this
https://youtube.com/shorts/EalkrC84oDo?si=ZpZtBm2TttZn2DMk

[lean plover]

Hey guys, could you help me build a team for pvp? I've been playing casually since Eva collab and would like to learn more about the pvp side of things.

[grizzled bone]

notable units: Alica, RH, Cindy, Mari, Liter, M.Priv, Pepper, Blanc, Ein, Jackal, Grave, B.Soda, Privaty, Anis, Rapunzel, Noir

Rookie Def

MPriv-Blanc-RH-Anis-Jackal

SP Def

I would focus on making 2 strong teams for now

[umbral crown]

But no RH

[lunar dirge]

grave isn't really a good buffer tho,sure she's better than srosanna and(dependable) mari,but not better than blanc or xanne for example

although

in rosy's case

it's better than nothing

being pvp merchant is tough

[rich quail]

My Rosanna has SR10 doll

I guess there’s no real reason to max to SR15 anymore…

[dim sapphire]

Whats going on

Rosanna cant two shot anymore?

Even with 4x attack?

[vapid lake]

#pvp-arena message

[stone iris]

Yeah I kinda regret putting resources into my Rosanna since she can't OHKO people 😦

[umbral crown]

She still can

[raven plover]

sr15 robanana

[rich quail]

Everyone says she’s no good now

I don’t want to believe

[hardy escarp]

It's crazy to me that the only reason I won against this team is by swapping Cindy and Crown's position

[umbral crown]

[raven plover]

[signal hull]

Am I going to get some kind of end-season rating penalty if I buy arena tokens with gems?

[keen vapor]

What happened

[keen vapor]

The cost of gems is already the penalty

Since wasting gems to get gems makes no sense

[vapid lake]

U buy gems to prove that your male reproductive organ is bigger than your rival's

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

it was all a lie?

[hazy shore]

ch4 in arena right now, any tips?

this is the comp I wanna beat

[vapid lake]

I mean u can invest in her still, his perspective is from like lv 500 bracket

And the higher the sync lvl the tankier units are

Passive def outscale atk

[keen vapor]

My rivals whale hard in levels

[vapid lake]

At our low sync lvl rosanna cna prolly still one shot ppl if invested

[vapid lake]

Thats ur problem only 1 whale in my bracket

[keen vapor]

I don't even have Rosanna yet

[keen vapor]

I'll jinx you to get 3 more whales

[vapid lake]

Nah shuffle me out into a bracket full of dead accounts

[keen vapor]

There's essentially 9 whales in my bracket

[vapid lake]

Start cooking for that guy echo don't ignore him

I'm not the ma

[keen vapor]

There's no jackal

[vapid lake]

Go figure something out

[keen vapor]

There's no Rumani or Centi either so 2RL Cindy is out of the equation as well

[keen vapor]

Noah/RH/Biscuit/Anis/Noise

[keen vapor]

I can't I'm stupid

[vapid lake]

Cmon echo the others are gonna keep making fun of u

[keen vapor]

They always do

Today I failed

[hazy shore]

I could probably beat it solely with that, but my cindy team is naked now

[keen vapor]

Idk what else he has on his defense so I can't cook properly a second team

So please show me

[hazy shore]

[keen vapor]

Second is easier

2 enemy SG, such a good time to have jackal

Cooking

[hazy shore]

you very right cp padding worked for me too

[graceful grotto]

Why Rosanna on the first team? There's no jackal to unlink

[hazy shore]

I'm not sure how to use her

[keen vapor]

SO YOU HAVE HER?

[graceful grotto]

Ur first team basically will die from not bursting lol

[hazy shore]

Got her and noise a day or two ago

[hazy shore]

yes

[keen vapor]

WHY SHE'S NOT ON THE SCREENS

[graceful grotto]

Blanc Biscuit the first team = easy win

Second team one Noah = win

[hazy shore]

overlayed

[hazy shore]

rh for first?

[keen vapor]

People always makes cooking harder than it actually is

[vapid lake]

Why u think i don't bother

[keen vapor]

He has no Emilia, what you have in mind

[keen vapor]

[graceful grotto]

Opponent is red hood, Blanc biscuit basically will nullify her st nuke, bring a continuous dmg dealer like s.anis

Second one just bring Noah to counter Cindy

Using RH against first team can be troublesome cause of biscuit

[graceful grotto]

Sanis?

[keen vapor]

I don't see either of them

[hazy shore]

yup none

[keen vapor]

Back to my plan to skip round 1

[hazy shore]

evangelion banner made me play, wish I went before that

[keen vapor]

Collab doing its job as intended

[graceful grotto]

I played on rezero so yeah

[keen vapor]

I started playing after I heard of Sora No Otoshimono appearing once in collab survey so yeah

SNO Collab when

[hazy shore]

aside from jackal which units should I wishlist for pvp?

[keen vapor]

Centi and Rumani

[graceful grotto]

SG clip users for burst gen too

[vapid lake]

Ein not mentioned

[hazy shore]

No need for biscuit copies?

[rich quail]

Rosanna been on the decline

Cindy makes it even harder nowadays

[keen vapor]

Tetra is highly competitive for wishlist, there's a ton of valuable units to get

[hazy shore]

I have her in no worries. I have no good b3 missilis for tower

[vapid lake]

ein best gyaru, 2nd strongest character on my roster carrying my pve and pvp

[keen vapor]

Question, does Noise has overload gear? Cinderella has attack lines?

[keen vapor]

Naga as third

[hazy shore]

cindy is invested but not noise

[keen vapor]

Wait, I also need to worry about Noir HP....

So hard....

[hazy shore]

I love alice

[vapid lake]

my naga more cp than crown

[keen vapor]

[hazy shore]

she doesnt die when I put her in s4,where should she be at high investment?

[keen vapor]

cooking so hard

[hazy shore]

I think you're overthinking, my sp arena is still newbies and not so whales

[keen vapor]

The problem are ingredients .... Jk, I figured it out

Round 1: Skip (put one unit alone in position 1)

R2: Blanc/RH/Noir/Biscuit/Jackal

R3: Noise/Noah/Cinderella/Anis/Bay

Please increase noir HP

So RH gets Blanc buff

It goes to the person with the lowest HP

Don't try if RH is higher HP than Noir

Zwei might work as Noir replacement with higher HP

[hazy shore]

worry not I'm hp piece ol gear noir

[keen vapor]

Check stats

[hazy shore]

100k hp diff

oh well rh has more

[keen vapor]

Huh

[keen vapor]

Then it won't work

[whole shell]

Zwei's burst gen is very much inferior however

[keen vapor]

Now you have to choose in investing between Noir or Zwei for HP

[keen vapor]

Not by a mile, it makes the team just 0.5 slower

[hazy shore]

you are pre cooking, this team will heal with time

[whole shell]

0.5RL is the difference between a 2.5RL scar team winning against a 3RL team with noah

[keen vapor]

Jackal will make hp decrease consistent

[keen vapor]

This is Cindy with SG units as enemy though

[whole shell]

Just an example

[keen vapor]

This is why attack depends on enemy

[keen vapor]

That will make Noir to get Blanc's indomitable buff instead of RH

I need RH to be invincible, not Noir

[vapid lake]

Just risk it anyway and hope RH takes enough RL splash dmg to get the indom

[keen vapor]

So, choose, Zwei or Noir

Who can you invest on enough

[keen vapor]

Jackal link isn't inconsistent with splash

Actually if you choose Zwei then Biscuit might get linked instead, depends who has higher attack of the two

[hazy shore]

Is jackal most important for this team?

[keen vapor]

So then you could focus on Biscuit getting higher HP than Red Hood

[keen vapor]

She's key units for PVP

[whole shell]

Key isn't even describing her importance

If you don't have her, it's an instant brick to your pvp potential

[keen vapor]

.... Yeah, you might need to increase jackal HP if it's lower than RH as well, but she's defender so is easier to do

[whole shell]

I cannot even list the amount of times I've abused crappy enemy defenses using jackal to boost my team from 4RL to 2RL off S1 feeding alone

[hazy shore]

I have my throne on rookie arena against this same guy, sp teams weighs so much more though

[whole shell]

As an example

Scarlet/Blanc/Liter/Crown/Jackal

Team has ass burst gen due to having an AR, SMG, and MG

But with an AR and SG on enemy team feeding both scarlet and jackal, I can drop a massive triple boosted scar nuke without using many essential batteries

[keen vapor]

Invest

[umbral crown]

https://tenor.com/view/no-words-speechless-dismay-gif-7582357

[umbral crown]

i see you are an excusable penguin of culture

[keen vapor]

[umbral crown]

whats your sync?

[keen vapor]

302

[umbral crown]

really?

waos

[umbral crown]

why not 1.2m

[keen vapor]

Idk

[rich quail]

Are you at least 1.1 mil?

[lunar dirge]

me 1,2 at 321

[rich quail]

I was 1.1 a little late at around 305 but I caught up now

[lunar dirge]

PvP merchants everywhere

[umbral crown]

hmmm

sounds like ...

[grizzled bone]

New gen pvp

[covert lintel]

i've tried any def cindy team that i can think of but never once my def win

[oblique ridge]

This bug affects PvP arena?

wth

[coarse lake]

yeah

although idk if they've fixed it recently

[oblique ridge]

What's the latest meta SP defense teams?

Or is it more varying than it used to be?

[keen vapor]

It requires X Mica

[oblique ridge]

I'm talking about SP defense, not Overclock

... you were joking, right?

[keen vapor]

Keripo does not joke about invested Mica

She's on the burst gen chart after all

[copper creek]

what the misinformation

[keen vapor]

Keripo

[copper creek]

u guys do realise the 2x2rl+3rl team that keripo showed was something he cooked up on the toilet to prove another point

and even he doesnt think its the best sp def team right

[keen vapor]

Which synch are you right now?

[keen vapor]

If you have better cooking you can tell probably

[copper creek]

ultimately spa is a solved game mode

im not speaking with CA in mind, but

[keen vapor]

Solved = bricked for me

[copper creek]

as of the current state - any pve box (+ 7/7/7 scarlet) can take on any def

[quick lake]

Just brute force with cp

[copper creek]

so i dont think its wise for a primarily-pve player to invest in niche units (eg xmica)

[keen vapor]

True

[quick lake]

Is there a solved SP defence

[keen vapor]

Too late I already got jackal doll to phase 15

[copper creek]

no

jackal doll to r15 or sr15

[quick lake]

[keen vapor]

R

[copper creek]

thats nothing lol

[keen vapor]

I know...

[copper creek]

like... thats a good thing

[keen vapor]

She's higher than Noah Noah so brick

[keen vapor]

So close

[copper creek]

thats fine, as long as ur friendly team not on penalty

like its totally fine and probably pretty normal cuz jackal is wishlistable and noah is not

[keen vapor]

Is behind my Scar team by 30k

[keen vapor]

Dupes is only about 1k more power per dupe

[copper creek]

yeah but usually gap is relatively close lol, anyway ultimately its fine

its not something to worry about

[swift mango]

I mean, she is good enough to get Scarlet to 2RL without feed. Unlike Blanc.

[copper creek]

idk what else to say, its not the end of the world

[keen vapor]

I'm getting behind

[copper creek]

to be fair, in ur case its ultimately ur fault

u could fix that problem extremely quickly

[keen vapor]

I can only get 20 levels

[copper creek]

huh, how

[keen vapor]

And storm bringer doesn't allows me to level my outpost

[copper creek]

for reference im at 351

[keen vapor]

Idk

The lack of Naga for so long I think

[copper creek]

dk what to tell you lol

[upper grove]

Just used 100 blue kits for R3 jackal doll

[copper creek]

anyway, wrt sp - def

[keen vapor]

It's dorover for me

[upper grove]

No super success

[copper creek]

meta hasnt really changed, its still p standard

[keen vapor]

It happened to me with Centi

[copper creek]

just make sure ur def teams are 3rl or faster (unless emilia is b3, in which case stick to 3rl)

[keen vapor]

I need more charge speed for her....

[copper creek]

u dont need emilia21 to use her as a nuke

[keen vapor]

Munch you cheated, you got Naga early

[copper creek]

c7 naga 😄

[keen vapor]

Now I don't have enough synch

[worthy knoll]

I don't have Naga, I had Nero

[copper creek]

you f--- 🤣🤣🤣🤣

<- neroless

[keen vapor]

Nero

[keen vapor]

Is your fault you stole me

[copper creek]

anyway im not convinced that naga is as critical as everyone makes it out to be

if in doubt just nunpunzel

u might be screwed in solo raid but thats about it

[worthy knoll]

Well just saying I didn't have Tia Naga for my PvE progress, nor do I even had a built liter with CP, I even do campaign with no cdr units

[copper creek]

not like SR challenge does anything for your acc progression, at that

[worthy knoll]

Oh, no crown either, just Nero

[copper creek]

wait ure still crownless?!

[keen vapor]

Naga is the difference between breaking Kraken tentacles or not

So SHE IS that critical

[copper creek]

i have a sample run somewhere with almost stage7 using rapunzel at 301

can try and find the vid for u later

[keen vapor]

My SBS lacks ele

Sakura isn't invested either

I die

[worthy knoll]

Well Nero had more CP and my Crown was uninvested, only when Anomaly Intercept happened did I begrudgingly start OLing and skill leveling her up

[copper creek]

🤣🤣🤣 freaking pvp maniac

[keen vapor]

Merry, teach me how to get c6

[worthy knoll]

Make allies

[keen vapor]

My Moran still uninvested....

[keen vapor]

I can't

[worthy knoll]

Are you still Noah less?

Mmh was it you again who was saying no Noah 🤔

[worthy knoll]

Well

open your boxes so your def don't get CP gapped badly

[graceful grotto]

Meanwhile me with core+1 Noah

[swift mango]

2 weeks of fighting spider for Bay boots. I kind of hating myself everytime I pick the spider now... Its QTE phase is a pain in the ass to play. I could have gotten much more rock autoing Kraken...

The boot is still nowhere to be found

Should I just give up on bay and farm rock instead?

[quick lake]

Need the boots eventually..

[swift mango]

For the record I now have 7 Tetra Defender Armour and zero of everything else.

Such luck

[graceful grotto]

For me it's Noah

Cause Cindy came and took everything from her

[rotund seal]

Had same thing but Pilgram support helmet... No Pilgram support aside grave

[bleak latch]

when enemy using stall team so i did the same with different set of stall team

[vapid lake]

wtf you won against biscuit+taunter with SBS

Amazing

[swift mango]

Look like out investment to me

The RX0 could stall but the enemies team just have Noah, Emilia couldn't even shot in time.

[bleak latch]

his emilia did really shot in time look at emilia total damage

[bleak latch]

noise max hp + blanc healing + rap healing did some magic

[swift mango]

Yeah, I saw it, it's the case of out investment to me.

My bad for not seeing Emilia shot

[bleak latch]

my team will not working if enemy using blanc to amplify damage tho

RH+Blanc buff still too much too tank aganst

but if he using blanc + rh comp i'll just using og scarlet nuke instead

[swift mango]

In this clip they only did half HP bar. Not sure if adding Blanc to their team could make it +100% damage.

[bleak latch]

not by the first shot but 2nd-3rd shot will finished off my team eventually

emilia after nuke still has the atk buff left

[swift mango]

Ok ic

[lunar dirge]

Ah yes, outstall the stall PvP matchup, my favourite

[swift mango]

Noah: She took everything from me.

Cindy: I don't even know this gremlin.

Sorry, had to post this.

[bleak latch]

sbs on crack with 17% charge speed

[grizzled bone]

https://tenor.com/view/is-it-gif-20766212

somebody say crack?

[unique wagon]

Unlikely.

[unique wagon]

Biscuit position tho.

She died too early.

[unique wagon]

Biscuit got sniped.

Useless Jackal too.

[rich quail]

[unique wagon]

Investment diffed.

If it had been Biscuit P5 or Boda P5 with Invested Biscuit + Tempering, you might have lost, but likely will still due to outstalling.

It's a good def team too btw.

But 2 RL Scarlets will kill.

[ruby iris]

Which one is better for defense? (I just got RH so I want to see where I could use her)

[ruby iris]

So RH's?

[swift mango]

Biscuit got sniped but I think his last hit triggering 3tier SBS AoE shot would still wipe everyone except Noah even if Biscuit trigger twice on Noah. Since hit SBS is over invested comparing to the enemy.

And if they survive that they would still die 3 hits later.

[ruby iris]

Also should I place Noise in P5? (Maybe lower enemy gen burst)

[swift mango]

Could go

Noah+S.anis+RH+noir+Noise

That's the one with higher CP and dmg

[lusty pelican]

is this ok team for rumani?

[unique wagon]

No

[unique wagon]

No

Both teams suck

Sanis noir since when

[lusty pelican]

ok can i show u my box?

[unique wagon]

No

[lusty pelican]

😿

[unique wagon]

Aak in commcord

[lusty pelican]

wuts a commcord

[wild patio]

https://tenor.com/view/sigma-detected-respect-sigma-respect-patrick-bateman-american-psyco-gif-17523786110322592071

[swift mango]

Well he put it there, could replace with drake.

[swift mango]

You could replace noir with another Clip SG or clip RL that's not sugar

[swift mango]

If they brought SG and kill naga then you are done

At least put nage inside

[lusty pelican]

okay

[swift mango]

And at least put Quantum on Rumani so you could barely reach 3rl

[lusty pelican]

okk

[swift mango]

Need level 7 quantum if only on Rumani. If lower, you will need to put on Noir as well.

[lusty pelican]

okk

tyy

[wild patio]

https://tenor.com/view/nanomachines-son-metal-gear-senator-armstrong-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-gif-20057254

[swift mango]

My arena is all over the place today

Shouldn't have beat that small whale and let the rank 2 hitting me to escape the rank 5... Was so chilling trading hits 1vs1 x2 pair for 2 week... So I shouldn't have out login the whale... I guess it's time to focus on kicking the rank 2 ass out of rank 2 along with the rank 5. Let see how he handle 4 to six hits a day (the c4 can beat him too)

I hope they bring out new meta soon. This Blancvs Noah meta is hard for those who don't have Noah. One more at their caliber should make arena much easier for the unlucky guys.

Like me.

[valid fern]

can biscuit invuln activate twice on one character?

[swift mango]

It could but she needs to be alive and not proc on other characters for that.

[valid fern]

I am wondering what happened to their biscuit's second invuln proc

[swift mango]

I think it proc on centi

But not sure

[valid fern]

yeah, in theory Centi shouldve gotten it and survive Cindy's nuke and then persist for 5 seconds but she died to the nuke. im confused

[swift mango]

Yeah she survived but died after one sec.

Doesn't look like it proc'ed

[vivid ivy]

What team to use for Rookie Arena?

Currently using

Noise, Scarlet, Noah, Emilia and Jackal

Have all Nikkes

[valid fern]

but if it didn't proc on Centi, then blanc shoulve gotten a second invuln right

[trail inlet]

blanc/emilia/RH/biscuit/jackal

[swift mango]

If it didn't proc then I think she should have died instantly too...

So kinda confused.

[vivid ivy]

Ty ty

[swift mango]

Eh maybe I was just remembered it wrong and she couldn't proc twice on one guy? Gotta try it on some map then. Sorry.

I think dude is lurking on this discord or sth. He hit me right after I post it here lol

Gotta waste some gem to hit him when he goes to sleep then.

Let see if he could look at the screen for 6 more hours.

[umbral crown]

Waos

[umbral crown]

Its a sign

[worthy knoll]

It proc'ed on Centi but Cindy burst first. This game has a weird rule of damage first before heal. In this case Cindy full damage was already on Centi. Just imagine it as Scarlet, but since she is instant, her animation is quick, you could see them die quick. In this case Cindy, her burst has some delay in animation but codewise her whole burst already hit Centi before Biscu even activated heal and immunity. So its like at that point when Cindy bursted, Centi was already dead codewise just that the animation showing it was just simply delayed

Cindy burst is similar to SSakura burst, refer to #9 of the pvp issues megathread #1269094248243007621 message

[valid fern]

wew, so cindy wastes their invul and gets the kill anyways. truly the goddess of victory.

so 2RL Cindy can indeed beat 3RL Noah?

[worthy knoll]

She can yeah as long its really a 3 RL Noah, and not like 2.7 of 2.8 else it depends, like it'll partially go through and get partially blocked specially if its a Jackal team

3 RL is usually assuming the team has no CS (charge speed), if they have Charge speed, its not exactly 3 RL but 2.75 or 2.8 or the like depending on their CS values

That is why you can see same lineup same team different players, but someone one Noah team can block same Scarlet team burst while some other Noah teams it goes through, specially if its a 2.5ish Scarlet team you are using due to Jackal feed or the like

[trail inlet]

small indie company

[worthy knoll]

For safety measure I think Cindy needs at least 1 exact RL difference for all her 10 hits to surely go through if against Noah comps

[swift mango]

Well I will hit him when he went to sleep an the c5 would hit him near reset. He always sleep before reset. And c5 always hit once at that time.

So he can't help but take the lose

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

Gotta stop hitting c1 and let the whale keep it then. Since my defense is pretty weak.

Gotta bully this sleep early dude instead.

Since he maybe want to avoid the whale due to same nationality lol.

[swift mango]

Man that's a bug If I spot one. Triggering Biscuit for nothing and waste her s2. It can't be called game mechanic but bug instead.

[worthy knoll]

Its already on the pvp issues megathread since SSakura release, it is the same issue

Though I think SSakura is just a lil bit quicker to sequence than Cindy

[swift mango]

Did 2x10 on standard. Shit flashed Missile twice and x2 drake.

Game keep trolling me out of Jackal it seem

Oh well

At least it's a free Drake treasure when ever it roll out

Way better than full blue+purple.

[fossil sage]

just broke the 160 wall a few hours earlier
what teams can i build for both arenas?

[harsh arch]

When I fighting for the 1st place I discovered that my opponent use Mast and lower team power more than 100k. And he easy beat my team, because my burst filled a way more slower! Test it guys Mast + Cindy

[swift mango]

SBS+Blanc+RH+Noir+Jackal (quantum on Jackal and Noir)

Rumani+Centi+Pepper+Anis+Cindy

Auto team

[swift mango]

You could have hit his Mast linked with Jackal with MG or SG. Otherwise you could test yourself and show pic.

That dude lowered his CP by 100k and still win meaning you had no chance anyway. Unless you are a level 500+ guy. In that case, you could use some time and gem to test it and show it to us.

That would be helpful rather than just a vague line.

[coarse lake]

did they have rosanna? if so then as soon as you kill mast rosa s2 procs and they gen faster

otherwise your team is probably extremely slow or fed their jackal if they had one

also mast rarely buffs cindy (applies to pve as well), cindy needs high enough atk with just her OLs and B1 buff

[swift mango]

In pvp you could use a full defender team so it's not that hard to hit Cindy.

[coarse lake]

yeah that would be doable esp if cindy is well built

but not worth it unless it's a mast sac comp

which I assume it is

mast cindy isn't going faster than 3rl without jackal feed or CS-thresholds emilia

[swift mango]

Well, another common case is if they built their Mast for PvE and need CP pad for Arena.

But since he said lowered his CP maybe it was Rossanna after all.

[umbral crown]

[harsh arch]

I beat him, he beat me, we change teams and this sparring going more than a month. I'm level 420+guy

[swift mango]

Ok

It was Rossanna right?

[harsh arch]

His team - Jackal, Mast, Cindy, Rossana, Noah

And Mast lvl 1

So this is for sacrifice

I have team Noah, Biscuit, Anis, Noise, Rapunzel and my burst gauge filled less than 30%. More test is needed.

[swift mango]

No need to test. Mast ded in one hit. The rest of your team aside from S.Anis got their burst Regen cut by half hitting nothing but Jackal. Bruh.

They could only do that because they out CP ya. So 4 units isn't enough for them to be in deficit. Basically a case of whale bully pleb.

[silk current]

hey guys, i need some help, i'm a returning player, but i've never touched pvp at all, thanks

i will send my roster now

[placid breach]

help me make better defence

if nned i also do have rum since i heard she can be good for pvp i just havent have mats for her

[swift mango]

Noah Taunt though so you could still get normal Regen with your P1-2 RL. But the rest you may want clip SG.

Worse, your Noise also taunt letting Jackal hit p4.

Ofc your Regen would be shit comparing to his.

[silk current]

another time i guess

[swift mango]

Basically

Your S.Anis team which barely reach 3RL, had Noise and Rapunzel Regen cut in half. Making it 4 RL.

While the other team got boosted to 2RL thanks to Rossanna. And Noise making Jackal hit p4.

[worthy knoll]

simplest solution, counter with your own Rosanna

Their Mast die, you also get gen

[harsh arch]

When day reset, I test with different team

[umbral crown]

[hazy shore]

you cooked a 5 star meal and ion even have jackal yet

[vapid lake]

now the others can't make fun of echo anymore

[nova sail]

anyone know if jackal link includes atk% OL lines?

[wicked horizon]

[summer copper]

r

[upper grove]

This guy stole my spot after attacking for 5 days straight. Do you have pointers for how to handle his teams and which I should dodge?

[vapid lake]

U can bring moran+biscuit+sanis for team 1 to beat alice because alice is hard countered by biscuit + defender taunter
Noah centi cindy + 2 more RL can beat his scarlet team if you can block scarlet slash but better to just keep hitting his asuka team as that's his weakest team

[upper grove]

Thanks

That KR guy is so persistent, he just hit me 5mins before the daily reset to get my 2nd slot

[vapid lake]

PVP rat

[upper grove]

I have no sanis though, the server is during EVA colab

[vapid lake]

Damn then i don't know what dps can damage the rest of the team while skipping noah+biscuit sanis can do that easily

[upper grove]

Yeah I'm sadly out of ideas. We hit each other for almost the entire week and I won the majority of battles until now

[vapid lake]

U already won

he spent more gems than he would receive from payout to take ur spot

[upper grove]

True, I won the mental warfare

Season lasts 2d 22h, I should be comfortably 2nd or 3rd in points I think

Main issue is all the other guys trying to hit me now because I'm super low CP compared to the rest

[vapid lake]

U can try noah centi cindy anis jackal against his scarlet team, as long as noah manage to burst before his scarlet burst u should win

Then kill his asuka team with your t1

[upper grove]

Alright 👍 I'll hit him before daily reset as well

[vapid lake]

If u're afraid cindy won't do enough dmg, replace one of the burst gen batteries with noise to buff her dmg

[upper grove]

Will Noise do enough burst regen for me to burst 1st?

[vapid lake]

Maybe? consult the burst gen calculator

https://tinyurl.com/gatrix-burst-calc

[harsh arch]

So my fastest 2RL team failled, her Mast+ Rossana gain burst fast. Cindy have a little delay of her burst, but my team wiped under the Noah shield.

[tropic summit]

is your laplace with treasure? if so you've 2 rifle 1 non clip rl, 1 clip rl, 1 near clip sg vs 2 riles, 1 clip sg, 1 clip rl and 1 non clip sg = you'll hit slightly first

scarlet also has higher than normal rifle burst gen

additionally their rifles and SGs will suicide on your scarlet

[upper grove]

Yeah its treasure laplace

[vapid lake]

I think he'll be fine, his opponent asuka will commit sudoku against scarlet s2

[tropic summit]

yep quite so

[vapid lake]

Feeding burst gen

To jackal link

[tropic summit]

sudoku with double pen in all holes rather

[vapid lake]

And also double sg shooting jackal in p5 feeding even more burst

He'll win easily

[tropic summit]

quite literally burst gen party

meanwhile here the disgusting x4 clip RLs

noah will also block scarlet, ripperoni for the poor guy

[vapid lake]

Need to calculate the deficit first, that looks like bigger than 15.4%

[upper grove]

I put all my quantums on T1

[upper grove]

I calculated 21% if I'm not mistaken

Not winnable that way?

[tropic summit]

21% is... gonna hurt

[vapid lake]

Yea u need to be lower than 15.4% to not suffer stat penalty

[tropic summit]

although if he hit noah burst in 2RL might actually live long enough

[vapid lake]

The instant the gap is 15.4% you immediately get a 20% stat penalty

My concern is his 0 buff cindy might not one shot his opponent

[upper grove]

Team 3 is no go zone with biscuit noah without sanis?

That team is in 15% range

[vapid lake]

Idk what other dps besides sanis can do continuous dps while skipping biscuit+taunter

[upper grove]

Can Cindy kill some of the others before Noah bursts?

[vapid lake]

U can try

But if his noise manages to burst his team might survive long enough for noah to burst

[upper grove]

I'll calculate the speeds then check

Btw which of the clip RLs should I OL first?

[vapid lake]

Jackal

If u serious about pvp

[keen vapor]

Michelin stars

[keen vapor]

We will see

[upper grove]

3k gems every 2 weeks is worth investing imo

Trying to hit 3% in SR with a 3 month account not so much

[keen vapor]

I only reach 2400

[vapid lake]

We got another one boys he's saccing solo raid for pvp

[upper grove]

[tropic summit]

until a whale slowly builds up CP gap

reality might kick in a few months from now

[upper grove]

CP difference too high

[vapid lake]

Yea never take fights bigger than 15.4%

15.4% is the magic number remember it

[tropic summit]

there are some 15.4% you could win, just not this one

[tropic summit]

but these words are generally always true unfortunately

[vapid lake]

But look at that 2nd fight entire enemy team commit sudoku before scarlet even burst

[upper grove]

So basically my options are: invest in my T1

Or try to kill T3

[tropic summit]

invest regardless, even if you are to beat this guy, you won't be able to defend

don't forget climbing without being able to defend is sort of pointless

[vapid lake]

Yea maybe the reason that guy started beating u is cos he started investing in his pvp units

[gaunt viper]

I've been trying few different comps but I've just had no luck, any advice please?

[tropic summit]

got noah?

[vapid lake]

Noah biscuit sanis stall team?

[tropic summit]

noah + emilia is actually probably enough

[gaunt viper]

hmm i haven't tried a sanis

[vapid lake]

But do u have noah

U need noah against scarlet

[gaunt viper]

I ran this too

[tropic summit]

wow he does have noah

almost disgusting

[gaunt viper]

still couldn't win with it

I didnt try stall tho

[keen vapor]

[tropic summit]

noah emilia RH centi jackal, you tried this before?

[gaunt viper]

no i didn't, I'll try it

[tropic summit]

hold on, i'm thinking tho

[vapid lake]

That's rookie arena tho, just bully the lowest cp noob in your range

[tropic summit]

although the one above is one of the most cancerous lineups you can come up with

as essentially emilia will wipe after noah soaks 3 seconds of dmg, the only variable here is wether blanc gives indom to scarlet or to RH

if she gives it to RH and the burst III was casted by scarlet, she won't be able to do much alone, viceversa could still hurt

[tropic summit]

watching

holy fk

[gaunt viper]

yeah 😦

[tropic summit]

seems like you need sustain/stall afterall, thinking what it could be tho

[vapid lake]

Try 2RL nuke and just kill him before blanc can burst

[tropic summit]

wait that wasn't 2RL? he had 4 clip RLs and 1 SR

oh nvm i got what you mean, you want an instant burst

@gaunt viper got scarlet, pmaid, ein, cindy?

[gaunt viper]

cindy?

[tropic summit]

cindarella

[gaunt viper]

oh yeah

[tropic summit]

pmaid could be killed by scarlet so i'd leave it as last choice, ein,cindy or scarlet herself would work

[rich quail]

Do you have Biscuit?
Noah is melting because she isn’t strong enough to withstand all those attacks, especially on cp deficit.

Biscuit may help t1, but with cp deficit it still may not be a winnable matchup at this current time.

[gaunt viper]

I've got all 4 with them all at budget investment

[tropic summit]

hmmmm

[gaunt viper]

tho scarlet is the only one full OL

[tropic summit]

but.. that might work

[gaunt viper]

I tried copying their squad too but didn't work either

[vapid lake]

But can a 4/4/4 scarlet even one shot the enemy team on that sync level

[gaunt viper]

nah budget like according to nikke gg

[tropic summit]

so you on lvl 7 for the skill 3?

[gaunt viper]

7/5/7

[tropic summit]

might just be enough

[vapid lake]

[tropic summit]

i'd try this one: scarlet centi RH emilia jackal, 2RL with centi contributing part of the burst dmg and RH buffing

although, does scarlet have highest atk among RH and emilia?

else she won't receive jackal's buff

[gaunt viper]

nah it's RH, Scarlet, Emilia

RH at 100k, scarlet at 94k, emilia 84k

[tropic summit]

oh then you're on spot

[gaunt viper]

oh gotcha

[tropic summit]

i don't wanna waste your attempts/gems, so maybe let's hear what others also think

but i personally would try it

[vapid lake]

#pvp-arena message

[grizzled bone]

rookie? auto n hope for the best

[gaunt viper]

lol i did gem actually, complete loss. didn't kill a single one of them

[grizzled bone]

[vapid lake]

Man don't gem for rookie arena it ain't worth it

Just get the 5 wins for challenge progress and dip

[gaunt viper]

it was to make a point of if it would work

[upper grove]

Yeah true. My resources are stretched thin atm, I got crown 2 days ago

[tropic summit]

did you video it? was scarlet deleted b4 theirs?

[gaunt viper]

scarlet was deleted before she could do anything

[tropic summit]

well shoot, investiment difference

[gaunt viper]

hmm, well guess tomorrow is a new day

[tropic summit]

yeah that's a good attitude

[gaunt viper]

ty for trying to help 😅

[tropic summit]

no worries, very unfortunate for the first attempt

you were a spit away

[upper grove]

I do have biscuit and I got the gear for biscuit 3/4 OL, Noise 4/4 and jackal centi 2/4

[gaunt viper]

I mean what should I improve to be able to best them?

[upper grove]

I just have no mats

[tropic summit]

generally, if your scarlets were equal, you'd burst first because of emilia while they've 2 rifles (scarlet and blanc) while they'd both hit low HP or wipe each others due to counters (there's RNG involved on procs for her counter skill)

in your case the fact your scarlet is less invested, unfortunately works for them

[regal oracle]

It seems to be a bit too early for me to use proper pvp teams since the cp gap between my units is so high, but could you help me figure out who to start investing in?
Sadly I'm missing some big ones like Scarlet, Noah, Centi and all limiteds

[tropic summit]

another option would be to mess up their indom or counter with a Bay (she'd absorb scarlet burst on her cover)

[high vapor]

Hello! Can someone help me with this? Biscuit keep getting unkillable and stomp my emilia at the end.

[tropic summit]

is your laplace treasured? you do have some material to build 2 decent teams at least

[regal oracle]

Not yet. Treasure requires LB2, right?

[tropic summit]

yeah max friendship

no worries tho, we can work with the rest

[regal oracle]

She's on my wishlist at least

[tropic summit]

put them in and see how your CP fares, if it's balanced that's pretty good, in the 3rd team for now put your highest invested nikke and let's see what you get

for your third team we could go for SG team

final draw:

[tropic summit]

do you have a recording of how the match went? i'm trying to understand if you bursted too early with emilia and got it countered by noah burst (3 seconds invulnerable whole team)

[regal oracle]

First 2 are fairly balanced yes, 3rd one I have to stick with my invested ones for now

[tropic summit]

hmm to be fair that's a good CP gap you getting on 3rd team, chances are ppl might just leave it alone, which works out for you

[worthy knoll]

Try Noah Biscuit SBS Centi Noise

[high vapor]

No I killed everyone but Biscuit, can't record for now since I have to use gem to try again.

[gaunt viper]

hmmm i could invest more, what skills have priority would you say?

[tropic summit]

try what merry said next, the noise extra HP and SBS DPS could work, biscuit will also ensure noah survives to get the 3 sec going

next as in tomorrow, don't bother with gems

[vapid lake]

U lose the moment u spend gem to try and prove ur pp bigger than ur opponent
never do it

[high vapor]

I know, that's why I said I can't record today.

[regal oracle]

Hmm yes makes sense, thanks
Will try to invest some in the first 2 teams you gave me when I have some spare resources

[tropic summit]

yep, although if you hit the meta characters you missing make sure to drop anis, as she's your current make-do without centi/noah

[regal oracle]

Can I just replace her with either of those?

[tropic summit]

yeah in fact you could even improve a few of these 2 lineups

hit the chat again if you find them

[regal oracle]

Will do, thanks

[worthy knoll]

You don't fight Scarlet with Scarlet, moreso if you have less cores than your opponent. You see a Scarlet, use Noah..

Noah Centi Emi Laplace+ Noise is usually enough for every 2 or 3 RL Scarlet team

Though if its a RH Blanc Scar, if you are not confident with your supporter and defender sustain, you go 3 RL with Biscuit, better if you can go 2.5 but looking at the vid, your opponent isn't a pvp maniac to have 17%ish+ CS on their Centi or Jackal so 3 RL is fine.. but don't bring a defender or ensure the other defender you bring is in a safe position..

[visual willow]

What would be a attack for this defense?

[tropic summit]

from what we saw in the vid, scarlet will get indom from blanc, giving her 10s to slowly kill the team, would noise HP buff and noah defense buff actually tank 10 seconds of scarlet counters/DPS with autos?

in the pic above is slightly after noah 3s expire

they were full HP

this is 7 seconds after indom was casted on scarlet:

(not contesting what you saying, but trying to understand how impactful noise extra HP would be)

[worthy knoll]

Only use Scarlet Blanc RH somegen Jackal, you gotta ensure its a guaranteed kill. Signs of a guaranteed kill for Scar are def teams are usually 3 RL teams with two possible sources of feed, one SG targeting your P5 and one AR, SG, MG targetting your P1. 2 SGs or more is also counted as a guaranteed win or if no SG 2 P1 feeder if one is an MG or if no MG 3 ARs SMG is also a guaranteed kill

[tropic summit]

which of these do you have (or if you have all):

noah / emilia / jackal / centi

[visual willow]

all

[worthy knoll]

That is why we have Biscuit, and I picked SBS instead of Emi to ensure she its not a one shot then Emi dies, SBS will at least everyone dead except Scarlet. Though if you are referring to no Biscuit, its one who is confident in their teams tankiness, one that has like SR15 dolls on their units.

Arena attack is just simply matching the right teams based on your opponent team.

[rich quail]

Keep in mind if you do use Biscuit, you have to see how many defenders you have on the team you put Biscuit on.

Putting too many defenders on a team with Biscuit means that Biscuit’s S2 may go to an unintended defender, which would take away 1 of 2 opportunities to use it on the defender you want to use it on.

Noah would be the defender you want to keep alive with Biscuit’s S2, but having Centi and Anis on the same team may keep Noah from getting both S2 boosts from Biscuit.

[pastel owl]

cindy decoy can absorb all sanis damage?

[worthy knoll]

The normal atks yes

Its decoy who is targeted by SG normal atks when Cindy is placed at P5, though it depends on the skill level, the higher the decoy hp the more it can take some hits

[glad meteor]

Takes s2 damage like how it takes rosanna burst too I think

[worthy knoll]

Yeah also SBS

[pastel owl]

that's op

[glad meteor]

SBS is sus, she takes all the dist damage on that 1 trigger lol

[vapid lake]

TIL

[tropic summit]

how well invested was that Nero btw?

[grizzled bone]

maxed

[worthy knoll]

👆

[tropic summit]

well that's downright fearsome sustain

[worthy knoll]

more like all of them are maxed skill wise except Biscuit S1

[tropic summit]

how does that lineup fare against higher DPS nikke?

e.g. does nero actually stand to get killed

(in this case s.anis was mitigated by moran and cindy, if i'm not seeing it wrong)

[worthy knoll]

As long she and moran burst, she actually just takes one damage

[tropic summit]

i'm glad noone in my bracket is running that

[worthy knoll]

42% + 35% + 17% + 9% = 103% ish damage reduction

Well ludmilla also does the same when you burst her with Moran

[tropic summit]

so either they somehow manage to kill everyone beside the 2 that get invulnerability and thus prevent you bursting, or it's over

[worthy knoll]

Yeah, its a damage check kind of team

[tropic summit]

fascinating

[worthy knoll]

I use her when matching against SAnis teams

[tropic summit]

yeah makes sense, sanis takes time to get going

[worthy knoll]

Oh and SBS too

Its like you are on a permanent immunity

If its an SBS team without Blanc, well even with enemy Blanc she can still outheal damage

SBS does 1 damage to Nero

[tropic summit]

the cat waifu wasn't just a waifu all along

[worthy knoll]

Distributes 1 damage to everyone

[gaunt viper]

sometimes I've used Noah and their scarlet ends up dying and it's RH that kills me so I just wasn't sure. hmmm I'll see how they works out tomorrow, thank you for the advice

[umbral crown]

[keen vapor]

[vapid lake]

1 or 2 more months to 10/7/9

[flint kettle]

What would be my best general Defence and Offence teams for Rookie Arena?

[spiral onyx]

PvP is rock paper scissors so it's generally not a good idea to try to fight a big rock with a smaller rock lol

[keen vapor]

Summer Anis my weakest team

Keripo, can you cook me a top tier defense?

[spiral onyx]

No

[keen vapor]

Thank you anyways megane-kun

[flint kettle]

Without crown I am lost in life and can't get any teams that work with my roster

[vapid lake]

Go on echo start cooking

[keen vapor]

but I'm not good on PVP at all