pvp-arena

[swift mango]

In gacha as a whole.

[umbral crown]

better spend it for costumes

[swift mango]

Maintenance is done. Do your daily if you didn't

[night sandal]

Spend it on 1/7 figures, body pillows, wall scrolls, can badges, key chains

[umbral crown]

that also works for me

[little oak]

is grave good for pvp

[vapid lake]

Nah

[little oak]

cuz of burst gen?

[vapid lake]

Hmm

She does increase burst gauge filling speed if it has no conditions then maybe she has potential

[little oak]

cuz i be lacking for a burst 2 for one of my def team

[vapid lake]

Oh if u have no options then yeah just use her, she buffs huge dmg

[little oak]

🫡

[vapid lake]

No biscuit/anis/centi/blanc?

No noah?

[little oak]

using in other teams

[vapid lake]

[little oak]

i have noah

thats pretyy much my sbs team as amain dps and all supports

and scarlet team, was hoping for 3rd team cinderella grave and sanias combo

[vapid lake]

That team might have a problem with burst gen pretty much require jackal and either rumani/centi

[little oak]

ill send what i have leter but rumani /grave hopefull/sanis/cinderella and either tia or pepper for last slot what u think

[vapid lake]

Pepper better

[little oak]

🫡

[strange linden]

omfg, that floor 24 is absolute cancer

how do you seriously beat it without caesar

I just kept evading his shit, he attacks non stop

[fading heath]

In Mileage shop, for silver mileage, what's the priority list of nikke to get first?

[strong python]

Laplace for treasure

Treasure/collection doll

[fading heath]

For PvP right?

[brittle hill]

The only advantage over Centi is that she's a solid P1 targeter https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1R6qzhnPx85kEoYidYUs-K0hJy61APMQGj5nRSgdvRUU/edit?gid=0#gid=0

They have the same-ish burst gen if you put her in a team with 3 rocket launchers

[hollow rose]

Are there Nikke that you must use in pvp?

[swift mango]

Noah

[hollow rose]

So just go to arena and auto select and just go

[keen vapor]

@umbral crown I woke up on D2 :deadge: it's dorover

[lunar dirge]

F

[umbral crown]

Box issues

[rustic sandal]

need help with pvp team

[mighty haven]

reset someone just couldn't wait

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

Same but he succeeded in my case

[umbral crown]

[vapid lake]

Looks like it's not Penguwon❌ but Pengulost✅

i cannot believe i said that

[west prawn]

solid pun

[keen vapor]

Excusable

[vapid lake]

I did not penguwin

[graceful grotto]

Hahahaha

Reminds me of Benedict Cumberbatch's Penwins

[hazy python]

1v1 me irl no rules

[glad sky]

My almost max-modified, 30ish levels higher squad with almost 10k more power, minimum rank 3 for each nikke... Vs opponent's 2-star Jackal. I get wasted.

[umbral crown]

[raven marsh]

liter, anis,scarlet cindy,maiden

[cunning solstice]

I need help building SP teams

team 1 for normal scarlet
team 2 for S.anis
team 3 for cindy or scarlet alter

[graceful grotto]

Scarlet Blanc Noir Anis Liter

u can make do with Cinderella instead of Scarlet, but burst gen gonna be quite low

[graceful grotto]

Scarlet Blanc/XAnne Rapunzel Emilia Jackal
Moran Biscuit S.Anis Anis Sugar
Noah Noise Centi Cinderella Pepper/Noir

[cunning solstice]

Noted. Tysm

[cunning solstice]

Wait, quick question liter is good in pvp?first time i see liter on sp team

[graceful grotto]

mainly to buff atk, her burst gen aren't that great, u can swap her with rapunzel, didn't realise u have rapu

[gaunt panther]

drunk scarlet or cindy for pvp?

[graceful grotto]

Cinderella apparently deal more dmg without needing to buff her, but her burst gen is terrible, she does help in not feeding jackal tho

[fading heath]

Are screen-wiping pvp teams more difficult to beat vs. single-target pvp teams?

[graceful grotto]

depends on ur roaster

beating screen wipers are normally

1. out charged them and screen wipe them instead
2. Noah
3. tank the screen wipe with HP boosting team/healers

Single Target counters

1. defender + biscuit

[bleak shale]

theres a few single target counters aside from that

[fading heath]

In a 2RL vs 3RL fight, does 3RL have access to B2?

[bleak shale]

blanc/makima comes to mind

[bleak shale]

no

[graceful grotto]

if u screen wipe in 2RL, then no

[fading heath]

So 3RL simply just get wiped without accessing to any burst?

If so, I guess only 2.5RL can maybe get access to B1

[strange tartan]

Heya :3c
Could I have some help making an SP team please

[potent ermine]

Yo

[valid fern]

so is CIndy burst gen no longer "weird aim" anymore?

wait it looks like its even lower now.... 😢

[ancient pollen]

Hi, could i have some help making an SP team too?

[grizzled bone]

You'll want to send your roster from the Nikke tab sorted by power (default) and preferrably in horizontal mode (settings>graphics>horizontal) that way people can get a better idea of your unit investments

The synchro device can be put in any order and isn't a good depiction of your roster

[ancient pollen]

oh okay, i thought it would be better like that

[grizzled bone]

Also I noticed you look like a returning player since you have Makima. Keep in mind it is very unlikely you will catch up to your peers in your PvP brackets

Maxwell is still a good buffer

[ancient pollen]

uhh no, i've been playing since beginning and the only time i stopped playing was when overzone but i came back again just before anniv 1 and then i'v been playing till now

i'm just casual so it look like under level lmao

[grizzled bone]

then your synch is very low even if you're a consistent player

[ancient pollen]

Is this ok like this?

[ancient pollen]

yeah i'm aware haha

[grizzled bone]

yeah thats great

[grizzled bone]

SP Def

Noah-Noise-SAnis-Rapunzel-Emi
Blanc-SBS-RH-Biscuit-BSoda
Jackal-Scarlet-Noir-Poli-Flex

I would consider putting Anis, Pepper, and maybe Pascal into your synchro device for PvP

[wicked horizon]

Does Scarlet's passive trigger if she's linked with Jackal and Jackal gets hit?

[ancient pollen]

aight, so if i do that, does the comp change?

[gaunt viper]

good squad suggestion to consistently beat this comp? normally I didn't have an issue with the one I'm using but all of a sudden I'm getting losses 🤔

[grizzled bone]

depends on if you invest in them a bit.
Pepper would give you a little flexibility (healer, single target burst 1, burst gen)
Pascal has burst gen comparable to clip sgs also heals
Anis has meta burst gen

but you're a casual player and your account, your choice. However, I would say Anis is priority out of the 3 just for the burst gen

[wicked horizon]

Along with this question I still have,
How long does it take to full burst?
Like, certain characters (Noah, Moran, Noise) make it impossible or harder to kill the enemy team if they get their B1/B2 off before my B3 goes off. So, clearly, they'll have it active if our bursts are the same speed, but how much earlier do I have to be to get ahead of them?
Does 2.5RL B3 go off before 3RL B2? What about 3RL B1? Does 2RL B3 go off before 3RL B1?

[neat mural]

Need help with pvp. Any good comps with these?

[formal cradle]

im also needing help with my sp def teams 🙏 (i dont have grave yet but i will be ticketing her if i dont pull her in time)

[broken raven]

use the burst calc to find out that teams burst speed, and then make a Noah team that is 1 RL slower

Alternatively since you look to be gapping him in CP, run a team with Noah noise biscuit s.anis jackal and aoe kill that EMI before they can burst

[quaint idol]

i've been using these teams for pvp. i'm worried about team 3 since crown is just there for cp padding and i hear she's slow in burst gen. i'm planning to replace her with rumani as i have full t9m on her but i'm not sure if i should just wait till i lucksack noise or morran and use them instead? what should i do? i still have other nikkes but bot said too many attachments.

[fading heath]

Yes

[wicked horizon]

I'm currently trying to figure out if I can manage 2 decent 2RL teams and 1 3RL team.
Admittedly, Noah being tied up in the 3RL team (if I want to use that meta team) makes this annoying.

[gaunt viper]

I ended up trying out a squad with Scarlet/Blanc/RH/Emilia/Jackal and it ended up working out tho it was before you had responded. tho I'll try that advice if that struggle again

[brittle hill]

Try twinkling soda, Redhood, Maid privaty, Centi, Noir on team 1. This is just an experiment. It'll free up your Noah

[quaint idol]

Interesting, i'll try

[vivid basalt]

Can everyone help me arrange 3 pvp teams? I'm a new player so I'm quite confused about this..

[stone pollen]

Anyone know the best matchup against this?

I've tried 2RL, but blanc still ends up casting. Scarlet with Blanc invul still outlasts noah burst

[raven plover]

noah, centi, jackal, biskuit, sbs?

sbs = scarlet black shadow

[stone pollen]

sbs lost, but I swapped with scarlet and won, thanks

[raven plover]

[graceful grotto]

@strong hull

[strong hull]

Its work

[half grail]

Is grave good for pvp?

[graceful grotto]

So far yes hahaha

[graceful grotto]

In my rookie arena I use Cindy + 2RL team nuke everything lol

Always left scarlet alone but she couldn't counter even with Indo buffs cause all units are rocket launchers (hence slow counter since slower hit lol)

[strong hull]

[graceful grotto]

Just defeat this with Cinderella

Cinderella Noah Biscuit Emilia Jackal was my team

[rose laurel]

any good ideas on beating 2RL Noah/Biscuit/RH/Rapu/Jackal?

I mean, I can beat it using Diesel, but I find it a bit too niche to keep diesel just for this combo

[calm gull]

Alice/RH maybe

you cant really OHKO them when Noah + Biscuit around

except youre on cp advantages

[rose laurel]

yeah, so far I've only used either CP adv or Diesel (long taunt). The Noah/Bis/RH seems a pretty strong and hardy combo when they hit 2RL.

[tropic summit]

question on how Blanc decides the indom during burst, is it based on current lowest HP (during the fight) or based on current lowest HP (when starting the fight) ?

e.g. if I want the indom to be on moran on S1, does moran have to be lowest HP midfight and preburst, or it has to be lowest HP at the start of the fight?

[spiral onyx]

Updated CA teams, even stronger than before thanks to the introduction of Cinderella (0 buffer DPS AoE nuker) and Rumani (clip RL battery). Can't get 100% win rates of course cause Noah blocks just about everyone but 89% (e.g. wins 8/9 fights against some preset cookie cutter comps) is already really good

[glad meteor]

During the fight. Though moran increases her max hp with s2. So even though it looks like she has lower hp in%, She may not relative to her other allies

[tropic summit]

yeah that explains why i'm getting mixed outcomes, sometimes it work as intended, sometimes it lands on a completely different unit, even one that took nearly no damage (in slot4)

[swift mango]

S1 activate after burst end > useless in pvp.

S2 required stacking time during burst > Useless in pvp.

Burst skill 48% bonus > Actually good in pvp.

40% pierce damage bonus > Kinda overkill for red hood in pvp but okay.

Burst Regen better than crown I guess.

Kinda same tier as crown I guess. Okay to use but don't expect too much.

Crown has her shield, Grave has a bit better Regen and less feed to Jackal.

CA arena is available already? Wtf?

[jolly sedge]

I need three teams. Can anyone help?

[tropic summit]

ok i'm essentially perplexed

my filler team won against the team i wanted to skip

privaty hard counter to noah + emilia

[glad meteor]

Priv cooking

[tropic summit]

what happened here is that they went into burst very early, 3 seconds noah burst faded, emilia was going to hit a second later, privaty stunned in that second, cancelled

[umbral snow]

anything i could improve? this is my past arena team

my current units as of now

[umbral crown]

Waos thats really good

Keripo for the win

[umbral snow]

any cooks online?

[steel lagoon]

pvp recommendations? I already know it will be pretty annoying

[raven marsh]

Rosanna,centi,scarlet,sbs,ein,

[dusky helm]

Help with rookie arena pls

[steel lagoon]

tyvm

[raven marsh]

jackle,centi,scarlet,alice,maid privaty

[dusky helm]

THANK YOU

[jolly sedge]

can someone help me with teams for sp arena?

[whole shell]

Don't use that team, something better can be made

Scarlet/Blanc/Pepper/Centi/Jackal

Fast burst, double buff

[whole shell]

Rookie or SP?

[steel lagoon]

what's the difference?

[dusky helm]

Ok, ima try both and see which is better

Thanks

[dusky helm]

Rookie is 1 team and SP is 3 team

[whole shell]

I'm going to sound biased but the team I suggested is better

Alice does absolutely nothing(bad burst gen too) and so will mPriv since you aren't bursting with her

The only thing priv will do is act as a sub-dps since shotguns have decent damage but it doesn't contribute to your main B3 which is scarlet

Best thing to do is buff scarlet to hell and back and wipe the enemy team out with scar nuke

[steel lagoon]

sp is the one with gems in shop?

[whole shell]

You get gems every 2 weeks depending on your rank for sp

And sp requires 3 teams

Rookie only needs 1

Blanc/Scarlet/Rapunzel/Laplace/Centi for rookie seems okay

[swift mango]

Team 1: fine I guess, but maybe kick summer Sakura out for Privaty because level 200.

Team 2: Kick Rei A out for Cindy. Cindy+Drake+Pepper+Blue+Maiden

Team 3:

Blanc+S.Anis+Rapunzel+Harran+Mica.

[whole shell]

Doesn't cindy decoy count as extra target?

[steel lagoon]

oh oke, if I have to do both of them then yea I need teams for sp and rookie

[swift mango]

I'm not sure how it works. Not enough experience.

But if you put Cindy in slot 1, they will attack slot 2 unit and ignore Cindy.

[whole shell]

Still not ideal then no?

Enemy team gets extra gen from hitting P1/P2/P3

[swift mango]

Put her in other slot and she still got affected by flash damage like normal.

[whole shell]

And if cindy decoy counts that's even more gen

[swift mango]

It is what it is.

[dusky helm]

Um, if there's this massive CP difference with my usual team should I still go with the team u suggested

[whole shell]

Hm...

[swift mango]

Hitting slot 2 could maybe make 3.5 rL into 3 RL. But I don't see it make 3RL into 2RL or 2.5 RL often

[dusky helm]

Im gonna start investing on them

[whole shell]

Scarlet/Blanc/RH/Centi/Jackal

Don't know why I suggested pepper when you had RH

I'm stupid

[steel lagoon]

same team for both def and attack?

[dusky helm]

Bro u cooked wth. 15k CP difference and still won

[whole shell]

Any proper pvp team will cook a cp gap team that isn't over 20% deficit

[swift mango]

Within 15% difference and the other team basically too slow to burst.

[raven plover]

yea that team gonn burst on new year so all good

[dusky helm]

I had no idea, I just throw in my highest CP nikke

[whole shell]

do not run def teams on atk, atk teams depend on enemy def

refer to pinned messages for counters, mechanic info, and other resources.
alternatively, if really necessary, send screenshots of your opponents' three def teams, with round 1/2/3 buttons visible so we know team order

[swift mango]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1JUiiuHysG3vlWRPVx_wT6zUwkc5Ob9n8G0azCbuwlA8/htmlview#

[wicked horizon]

Something possessed me to go grab a linear programming library and try and create a solver for PvP teams based on CP and burst speeds.

[whole shell]

From munch

[swift mango]

Use this tool when make your own pvp team to be sure you burst fast.

[steel lagoon]

[dusky helm]

👍

[whole shell]

Yeah enemy team is so shit lol

Liter, Naga, and priv all feeding scar and jackal to kill cindy

I have a feeling that even if you were under deficit you still would've won

[dusky helm]

Not sure if I get it but it works

[whole shell]

If you still have attempts left I'd recommend seeing the team in action

It'll be funny

By that I mean watching the fight and not qb'ing it

[dusky helm]

My last attempt was for 120k CP guy and I lost, I think as long as it's below 120k CP I'd win

[whole shell]

Ah

What was the team

[dusky helm]

I forgot 💀. But it was like a standard campaign team with Grave

[swift mango]

Pretty sure this line can't be used on new year eve. 🤔

[dusky helm]

Nvm, it was 119kCP and I think this is a PVP team?

[whole shell]

Yeah

Rouge weird though

She won't be shooting for long enough to give cindy max hp buffs

[dusky helm]

maybe he doesn't know to build pvp team like me

[whole shell]

Rest of the team is okay though

Slow burst

Maybe Cindy instead of scar could've worked

[dusky helm]

Im gonna try that tomorrow

[jolly sedge]

yo can i get some help with sp arena?

[gritty current]

Need SP teams pls

[lunar pawn]

FYI for people asking for teams: #pvp-arena message

[copper creek]

i wonder if they will even read ur msg lol

[umbral snow]

should i use the same teams when attacking?

also, wouldnt s.sakura deal much better dmg than privaty?

[copper creek]

kk lets have a look here

[umbral snow]

also, wont rosanna perform much better than mica in team 3 or does mica works better with blanc?

[copper creek]

defender taunt + biscuit, as you would against any single-target dps.
please refer to pinned.

[copper creek]

s.rosanna is cope in pvp
rosanna (standard) requires extremely high investment and is essentially powercrept with the introduction of SR dolls.

[umbral snow]

also, which nikke is blue?

[copper creek]

note to self only - backlog of mechanics questions cleared to this point

[mighty haven]

Me and this commander will be fighting C10 the whole season

[copper creek]

rush up to c1 so he cant touch u 😂

[mighty haven]

meet my NA C1 whale

[copper creek]

push c4 then kekw

[mighty haven]

@copper creek C7 Cindy

[copper creek]

isnt that guy here

[mighty haven]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

If they are I haven't seen any posts

[copper creek]

"old and tired" same tbh

[mighty haven]

you're younger than me irl iirc

[swift mango]

Well, I just tried to get it to burst-able at least.

For attack I would go

Pepper+Anis+Rapunzel+Cindy+Harran (3RL)

RH+Drake+Maidenproduct 23+Neon (3rl)

Flex auto team

You could use this for defense as well.

As you can't build 3 x 3rl team with your box.

[copper creek]

i am, but i feel old anyway 😂

[umbral snow]

also, which nikke are you referring to named blue?

tysm for the responses man

[swift mango]

Products 23

[umbral snow]

ah okay then

[lunar pawn]

[brisk iron]

So how is grave on the pvp scene?

[whole shell]

just a buffer it seems

[swift mango]

Nothing special just another buffer like Crown

And liter

[jolly sedge]

Are these good for sp arena

[whole shell]

eh

[jolly sedge]

its all i have

[mighty haven]

comfy bracket (for now)

[swift mango]

Are you a whale along with 5 others or your bracket only has 5 people playing actively?

[swift mango]

:

[oblique igloo]

800k is like diamond 4 for me 💀

[swift mango]

Because the rank 6 being only 500k while the r1-5 800k

[mighty haven]

I have to defend a bit

All top 50 in PvP login on a daily basis

[swift mango]

So you mean you a whale?

[mighty haven]

what diff does it make if i spend or not?

[swift mango]

I mean 5 people having way more than the rest is just weird.

It's either 5 whale or dead bracket.

[grizzled bone]

[mighty haven]

I'd say Top 30 are all relatively regular players, and there are some spenders comfy in Diamond

[swift mango]

Ah just the rank 6 being weird lol

[mighty haven]

I'd say it's quite fluid, pretty much anyone can attack and take C1-10, if they really wanted to

[swift mango]

I bet his defense would be 2 full team and 1 lone Nikke

[mighty haven]

Joey will probably come after me once they get some more O/Ls, right now we can both CP gap + 2 ATK team each other if needed

They do have Rapunzel from what I remember, we shall see

[swift mango]

He is just bad at pvp I guess. Bet that's the whale of your bracket.

[mighty haven]

oh Rank 6? they were the ones who showed everyone in my bracket I was vulnerable

[swift mango]

I mean with that CP his defense teams should be 2 Full team and 1 lone nikke, right?

[mighty haven]

And then it became daily def/atks against Joey etc

[mighty haven]

Nah, they did have a proper 3 team setup, just one of them was always v.low on CP

Joey on the other hand is actually building their PvP teams

[swift mango]

That's the same thing haha

[mighty haven]

Quite literally I have to cook if they take my spot

[summer copper]

Young Joseph working hard

[swift mango]

He building team doesn't mean he's good at it.

[mighty haven]

This was the last time they attacked, I used extra attempts because their Team 2 was just weirdly strong

[tropic summit]

extra attempts is pure dishonor tho

gotta accept defeat sometimes

[mighty haven]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-knight-joker-its-not-about-the-money-its-about-sending-a-message-gif-15254722

[grizzled bone]

Estur is a whale though

Gems mean nothing to her

[tropic summit]

ah perfect, even better scenario

pointless to even try then

[grizzled bone]

I'm jk estur don't hurt me

[mighty haven]

they do when there's 3 accounts to manage

[tropic summit]

dafuq

who got the time for that 🤔

[umbral crown]

whats his sync

[mighty haven]

only 2-3 hours a day

[grizzled bone]

[mighty haven]

Koyomi? 321 vs me at 24x

[grizzled bone]

How have your gacha rolls been?

[tropic summit]

eh 2-3 hours a day i'd do something else, but then again if you having fun and legit happy with it then all good

[mighty haven]

Grave in 40/60 + Mileage/10 pulls for 1 copy each, that's what the SS shows (before + after Grave)

[umbral crown]

321 with almost 1.5m, real whale for you

[mighty haven]

it's def. much less time than when I used to daily FFXIV/TFT, those were time sinks for gear / Diamond rankings

[swift mango]

I see you aren't a whale, just a lucky try hard lol

[quasi prism]

@terse abyss

Arena pretty quiet so far

[mighty haven]

C7 Cindy + Skin + 100 1sts, yuupo

[umbral crown]

i would like to be a whale tho

[grizzled bone]

C7 Cindy... I think I'd buy skin at that point as well lol

[quasi prism]

[mighty haven]

Did I mention when EVA banner came out, they had C7 Asuka/Rei/Mari within a day of them being available + gachaed + pass skins

[terse abyss]

Razor hit me once and lost

[quasi prism]

I shouldn't say anything but yeah I agreed with that statement.

[umbral crown]

• i would*

[tropic summit]

you don't, not at least for this game, which can literally become wallet vs wallet

[terse abyss]

I bought the skin too lol

[quasi prism]

The guy with japanese letters hit me twice and I knocked him back down right away

[grizzled bone]

Some people go all out on the limited though

[quasi prism]

Like first time within the hour, second time within 35 seconds

[umbral crown]

but i would still

[tropic summit]

shift up employee pass, might aswell be Stellar Blade 2 funder

[quasi prism]

There's a guy in our arena bracket named rac that did that, they are actually in my server pool as well

[terse abyss]

75 Canadian dollars 💀

[umbral crown]

50 americans

[mighty haven]

I may whale, doesn't mean I'll C7

[quasi prism]

Most of it was gold tickets i saved

[terse abyss]

That is crazy tbh

[umbral crown]

now show us SBs skin

[terse abyss]

One would think you're a whale

[mighty haven]

[umbral crown]

a real whale has appeared
@grizzled bone

[tropic summit]

if whale had an icon

[umbral crown]

uwu

could not be me

i would have F2P

[quasi prism]

The cindy i actually got pretty lucky on honestly

[mighty haven]

SBS exists on the alt

[umbral crown]

that background looks op

[tropic summit]

how much $ did you end up spending for this?

(just for reference on how much a f2p is saving)

[umbral crown]

worst case is 50 dolla

[tropic summit]

dayum

[mighty haven]

$20 on Main, $50 for alt

[umbral crown]

here the worst case

[tropic summit]

crazy... just thinking about spending that much money on a skin, not even a game, makes my hand sweat

[umbral crown]

once you get used to it, its normal

[tropic summit]

i don't wanna get used to it haha, I'd rather be a pleb and get fked by whales sideways

[tropic summit]

what a gentleman

[quasi prism]

Wait thats pretty

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

smile protected

[umbral crown]

imagine having max core

[mighty haven]

It's all gold

[umbral crown]

yeah, since crown been like that

[mighty haven]

whats more funny is she is the only treasure nikke on all of my 3 accs

[quasi prism]

I'm working on laplace but, with cindy and grave coming out threw a wrench into those plan's.

[umbral crown]

viper, crown, SBS and im sure Cindy as well

[tropic summit]

uh surprised you didn't go for laplace

[mighty haven]

she bricked twice at 60% with Gold, ragefist

[tropic summit]

oh shucks

[quasi prism]

Feelsbad

[tropic summit]

then again i've still to recover from my utter RNG on OL lines

[mighty haven]

and then Diesel 1 shots 25%

[tropic summit]

RNG in this game literally causes PTSD

[quasi prism]

At least we get solo raid again

Instead of waiting a month

Starts in what... 5 more hours or so.

[tropic summit]

last solo RAID got cancelled to oblivion due to bugs

although we got more rewards than usual at least with that

[mighty haven]

my main acc does have SBS skin, I just have to pray she comes within pulls/mold

[quasi prism]

I pray you get sbs

Pray for rh for me

[mighty haven]

I will, someone hasn't gotten OG Scarlet after 6k

[quasi prism]

Im sitting at 4.2k summons i think

[tropic summit]

might aswell visit an exorcist at that point

[mighty haven]

at least eternal wife came home last week

[quasi prism]

SAME

[umbral crown]

also for me

[quasi prism]

I pulled modernia on normal banner last week

[grizzled bone]

i took all your RH pulls

https://tenor.com/view/eobard-thawne-reverse-flash-finger-wag-nope-gif-16506266197207624020

[quasi prism]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-memoji-gif-23490017

We have one person in our friend group who says modernia sucks

We constantly meme him

[mighty haven]

#gacha-rolls message

[grizzled bone]

@umbral crown dont look at this

[wicked horizon]

Is it more important to make a fast team, or a strong team?

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

balance both

[wicked horizon]

Like, I could make 2x 2RL teams and 1x 3RL team, but they wouldn't be as strong as 1x 2RL and 2x 3RL teams.

[grizzled bone]

speed is important but you might sacrifice function or power if you aim to make them really fast

[wicked horizon]

function?

[grizzled bone]

like if you made a 2rl team, it might be fast but it might not function well cuz you could have all clip rls in there

and then the rest of your teams dont have clip rls for example

[wicked horizon]

What of it?

[grizzled bone]

[wicked horizon]

Do they do anything else except generate good burst?

[coral orbit]

3 teams for SP arena please

[grizzled bone]

just clip rls? yes good burst

[keen vapor]

Without that, other teams you make will be slower

[wicked horizon]

Well, this was the starting statement

I'm just at a loss what teams to start building towards.

[grizzled bone]

aim for 3rl teams at minimum and build units that are good at burst gen/kits meant for pvp

[keen vapor]

Keripo cooked 1 team as 2RL for special arena setup

[wicked horizon]

I mean, 1x 2RL, and 2x 3RL is not that hard.

[keen vapor]

No wait, one of them was trickier bc of Emilia with ol charge speed lines

And Mica

[wicked horizon]

With reasonable buffs on all teams.

[keen vapor]

Yeah, that's easier

[fading heath]

For attacking, the teams will depend on the person you are attacking

[coral orbit]

thanks for the answer
my bad, i meant for defence

[wicked horizon]

Would Pepper, Anis, Viper, Maiden, Laplace (fav item) be a good team?

Not necessarily in that order

It's 2RL, and doesn't force me to adjust the two other meta teams.

Feels weird to me though, how people pile all the good units into two teams.

[coarse lake]

if p1 dies you can't burst

[wicked horizon]

I know, I said not that order.

[coarse lake]

also the only fav unit that's actually good in pvp is laplace

viper debatable if somehow using her for raw dmg

also diesel ig for a stall comp

[wicked horizon]

Viper does not have her item.

[coarse lake]

maiden needs buffers

you got none there

maiden is a hard b3 nuker to work with

[wicked horizon]

It's her or BSoda or Noir.
The rest don't have enough burst gen to get to 2RL.

[coarse lake]

she wants to get hit enough times to trigger her buffs and extra nuke hit, but in normal p1 she often dies, so you usually need jackal to pair with her, and she also needs 2 buffers like most nukes

noir nuke is too weak

bsoda and mpriv should be ok

doesn't matter if you can reach 2rl if your nuke is so weak that it can't kill the team

I would not fixate so much on making 2rl teams

most of the time they don't actually change anything

2rl noah counters are quite easy to make these days

if building nuke team, need to make sure your nuke can actually nuke

[wicked horizon]

Not much use in having 2 strong teams and 1 weak team defending either. =/

[coarse lake]

that doesn't have much to do with whether a team is 2rl or 3rl

what pilgrim dps do you have, and also do you have sanis and emilia

[wicked horizon]

I guess I just don't understand.

[coarse lake]

all of those nukers you mentioned are not the first pick for pvp dps

[wicked horizon]

No, but they're the ones with enough burst gen.
I understand I could take Cinderella, who does enough damage even without any buffs, but she's one of the slowest units out there.

If my team dies before I hit the burst, it also won't help me.

It's like...

[coarse lake]

you usually get the gen you need from your other units

also, all of those nukers get hard countered by jackal bc of the feed

[wicked horizon]

I don't understand why I don't need to get to 2RL, but 3RL is fine.
If you can counter by being faster or by surviving the nuke, then I could just have a 4RL team that is just built really tanky?

[coarse lake]

sure those exist

but if the attacker is running a proper 3rl comp that has enough buffs, you will die

3rl is the standard bc it's fairly easy to reach if you got all the units while also having enough buffs for your dps to actually perform

if you can reach 2rl without compromising dmg output, sure go for it, but not a lot of dps can do that

[wicked horizon]

It feels futile to even try to defend if attackers can always counter, so what's the point. 😔

[coarse lake]

bc the avg player's teambuilding and pvp invest is trash

the cooks you find here tend to be ppl in challenger, if not the top of challenger, that's a minority of ppl

like a tiny minority

[wicked horizon]

Anyways, I have basically all the units one could want for PvP, except all collab units.
My investment is currently heavily lopsided, so I'm currently just making plans for which units to start investing in (if I never start, they'll never get better), so I can account for getting units like XAnne too.

[coarse lake]

and it also just depends on your bracket, could be unlucky or lucky

[wicked horizon]

You told me two teams yesterday, and reading online, those seems to be pretty well recommended, but they use up all the high tier units, so I don't have much left for building a third team.

(The order of the units in those 2 teams is unclear, but that's a minor issue.)

[coarse lake]

what you typically see ppl do in order to get 3 decent teams

is have scar jack, noah biscuit, blanc for each team as the "core"

then you build around that

bay is possible, but more cope

[wicked horizon]

Are those commas separating the three teams?

[coarse lake]

really depends on how much you wanna focus your good units

yes

those 3 are by far the strongest team cores in pvp

[wicked horizon]

just Blanc?

[coarse lake]

well often times with rapunzel to revive if needed

or with biscuit, but that means noah team has no biscuit

[wicked horizon]

I still don't know what to make with that. 😬

[coarse lake]

either just ask for a cook based on your current units and invest, and an explanation of how the teams work, or look up the message history of a cook here in this channel and check their cooks to understand them

can't really learn without doing

[wicked horizon]

My current investment has me making sub-4RL teams, because the CP diff is just that large.

But that doesn't really help with setting goals to work towards.

[coarse lake]

well if you're dealing with cp deficit not much you can do

you can invest in your pvp units more (especially with dolls and OLs) to get their cp higher

also you need to finish pushing campaign and open your boxes already

every day you don't do it you're getting further behind

[wicked horizon]

Yeah, I spent like 14 hours today thinking about what PvP teams to build.

Didn't get very far.

[coarse lake]

focus on pushing pve and opening all your core dust boxes first

[wicked horizon]

That's just delaying the problem.

[coarse lake]

no that's fixing it asap

bc the cp gap will be significantly lower

[wicked horizon]

Plan first, then the execution.
I don't have a goal in front of me.

[coarse lake]

and you can actually compete

building your pvp units has nothing to do with campaign progress and core dust boxes, but doing the pve side first actually lets you build good pvp teams without worrying about cp deficit as much

and every day that you can still push campaign further and boxes remain unopened, your sync lvl progress relative to peers decrease and you get farther behind

either open a bunch of boxes (no need to do all) so you can steamroll campaign, or push through campaign until walled then open a bunch of boxes and repeat

[wicked horizon]

I just want to know what teams to go for.

[coarse lake]

that depends on what units you got and the investment

[wicked horizon]

And my investment depends on who I want to go for.

[coarse lake]

?

any B1 and B2 SS+ tier can be invested in

most sp def will use nearly all or all of them

[wicked horizon]

It's a closed loop.
Like back with PvE too - "don't use Alice, she needs to be invested" -> I don't use Alice -> Alice never gets invested -> "don't use Alice"

[coarse lake]

you don't "go" for a team for pvp

teambuilding there isn't like pve

[wicked horizon]

Why not?

[coarse lake]

if you make a good def, and you get beat, you change it

you keep changing it until you run out of ideas, give up, or when you can successfully defend

[wicked horizon]

But attacking is easier.

I mean, sure, maybe the other players aren't that bright, but... I don't see why they would beat your defense once, but not after you switch it.

[coarse lake]

if your cooks are good that is very very common

[wicked horizon]

I sure don't memorize any opponents I go against, but I don't have much trouble predicting if I can win or not.

[coarse lake]

then what are you looking for? a pvp def that you just never change even if you get beat? that's very easy, post your units sorted by cp and I can do it for you rn

[wicked horizon]

That is indeed what I'm looking for.
But like I said, my current units are not invested for PvP. I don't need a team based on my current investment levels. =/

[coarse lake]

you don't want a pvp team cook without investing into pvp units first
but you also don't want to invest into pvp units first without a pvp team cook

gotta decide one way or another

[whole shell]

To hold off the people who don't know what they're doing from taking your spot

Every defense can be beaten, it just needs to be good enough to decrease the number of people who can actually best you

[wicked horizon]

This is dragging on, and I'm really sorry for keeping you. Let me take a step back and explain again.

[wicked horizon]

I think so too. That's a great way to put it.

Even if you think it's suboptimal, I don't really feel like changing my teams all the time. I hope that's acceptable.

[coarse lake]

let me put it this way, challengers 3-6 in my bracket constantly change spots within each other, they can attack each other well, but can't defend. The few times I've seen their teams, they're trash, maybe 1 good, rarely 2 good teams. And yet, ppl in challenger 7 and below rarely beat any of those people

[wicked horizon]

I can currently manage making decent teams, because some of my units have 55k CP and some have 25k CP.
Doesn't really matter how good the 25k CP ones are, I'm mostly using the 55k CP ones, so making the teams is not that hard.

[coarse lake]

all their cps are within range of each other

[wicked horizon]

I agree, I can't defend either, and neither can those around me.
I'm not sure if it's analogous, but I can get to Diamond 3 when attacking, but Diamond 6 when defending.

I'm sure if I'd get better teams, I could get higher on both fronts, but I don't see it happening that I'll ever be truly stable.

Anyways, not the point.

[wicked horizon]

So, to answer the

you don't want a pvp team cook without investing into pvp units first
but you also don't want to invest into pvp units first without a pvp team cook
I am slowly investing into PvP units, but not enough units to form 3 full teams. That's because, obviously, getting materials is slow, and I want to make sure that the units I do invest in are ones I will actually use.

And I absolutely want the first option you suggested, just... I don't want it based on my current sorry state of PvP units.

[coarse lake]

what kind of invest are you aiming for

bc for good pvp unit invest, you need 4 OLs (honestly any line), at least R15 doll, some skills to lvl 4, a very rare few to 7

that's it, that's what most non-dps pvp units need in terms of invest

and that's even on the high end

[wicked horizon]

Sure, why not?

[whole shell]

Prob just rattle off some names atp

[wicked horizon]

A loose assortment of names will not fit into teams.

As you said, any of the "SS+" units are worth investing into.

Or was it someone else

[coarse lake]

exclude moran and rosanna from investment, they need high invest to function

all the others are low invest

you can use most of them with 0 OL R0 doll 1/1/1

and the only thing you really lose is cp, which you can fix by opening boxes anyway

[wicked horizon]

If I don't invest in them, they'll never get there.

But I don't see them in many teams anyways.

[coarse lake]

aside from moran and rosanna, their teams still function perfectly fine whether invested or not

I got a whale in my bracket who got some pvp teams that have 30+ sync over me, yet team cp is lower, meaning his pvp units got almost no invest

no one else except me can beat him, despite everyone else being in cp range

pvp teams rarely need invest to function

[wicked horizon]

That's all fine and good, but it doesn't help me.

[coarse lake]

they do like 80% of their job regardless of invest or not (not accounting for cp diff)

[wicked horizon]

I'm going to fabricate a fake list of characters and ask for defense teams, idk anymore. 😭

[coarse lake]

you either ask for a cook and prioritize those units, or you just keep waiting until all viable pvp units are invested then ask for a cook, your choice

regardless of what you do, you should push campaign and open core boxes

[wicked horizon]

I was told to use Liter last time.

[coarse lake]

liter is a valid rh substitute

[whole shell]

Mhm

[wicked horizon]

Like, that's... Not good, as far as I know?
I mean, it was good for the team, because she was double the CP of someone who probably would have been good.

[whole shell]

ask for a cook and prioritize those units

Just do this please

Saves the headaches

[wicked horizon]

You'll tell me to use the units I've already prioritized on.

[whole shell]

Then just make teams if your units are fine

[wicked horizon]

I'll grab some food, then edit something together.

I think it does save headaches.

[pastel narwhal]

[copper creek]

im not reading through the whole thing, most of it isn't going to make for good conversation

@wicked horizon i think its good you're looking at burst gen, but dont forget... if you put 4 shotguns on DEF... you will make my ATK team 1rl speed 🙂

and anyway, even if you get a full burst chain off

the whole point is i want burst effects that will help me, not burst effects that in the grand scheme of things i dont care for or has easy, obvious counters

[wicked horizon]

So up to 2 filler units per team?

[copper creek]

dont think of it that way, its more rigid than it is correct

some teams can have more filler units, some teams can't

idk, play around with it

[wicked horizon]

I mean, I understand the whole "it depends" type of advice giving, and I believe it too, it's just that...
It mostly helps people who already know what they're doing.

[whole shell]

Basically, build your defense teams with the units you have while also making sure there aren't too many pitfalls

[copper creek]

i mean yeah you definitely dont know what u're doing, you're asking all the wrong questions lol

for example, some ppl may choose to use rosanna at the absurd amount of invest it requires

that option is not open to u because without that absurd invest she does absolutely nothing for you

however, maybe something like, say, blanc, u may wanna build her more, but not end of the world if she's 4/4/4

[wicked horizon]

I just don't get where people get built Rosannas.

[copper creek]

thats why we generally advise players to build for their current box/investment, bearing in mind that of course there are improvements to be made

[wicked horizon]

Not that I'm saying I should go for that.

[copper creek]

but we can have a stopgap for now while u save up materials

its like, using ur earlier alice example

ya maybe u cant use alice now, but u can (and should) build her w the mats u're earning now with ur stop-gap solution

so thats how i would ask u to look/think about it

if ur question is which units u should build for the future, the only reasonable answer we can give you is "i dont know"

[wicked horizon]

So, I should build certain units, even if the plan is to throw them out later?

It feels like a waste.

[coarse lake]

if you don't want to change def too much, just ask for a cook first

[copper creek]

if this is your question, the answer is no, you dont build the units u will throw away

[coarse lake]

as simple as that, you don't see ppl refusing pve team cooks just bc they just got rh and she's only 4/4/4

most pvp units still function at a baseline without invest

[copper creek]

you use the best idea u can scrap together now, while building the ideal idea u have in mind

[wicked horizon]

Best team I could scrap together now. 😬

Anyways, I need to go do my dailies before the day resets.

[coarse lake]

literally just ask for a cook

[wicked horizon]

I'll come back once I've edited XAnne and RH into my box.

[copper creek]

anyway, if u want to see what we would do with ur box, just post ur box here and someone can cook for u

lol having neither is not end of the world

xanne is nice to have, ultimately doesnt matter
rh is also great to have and is a much more critical unit, but ultimately if u dont have her, u gotta use something else until u get her so lol

[umbral crown]

were not you supposed to open your boxes?

[umbral crown]

so thats for 2025

[wicked horizon]

Love you too

[umbral crown]

@keen vapor when 301?

[umbral crown]

[keen vapor]

I was busy pushing tower, now I'm stuck in 248 floor

Still need campaign to do

[coarse lake]

prioritize campaign, tower doesn't matter

[umbral crown]

like tower is just impeding you to open boxes to get 301 boost?

[keen vapor]

Yes

[wicked horizon]

This guy gets it

[coarse lake]

the echo movement is growing

I do hope my bracket adopts that movement, will let me cp diff all of their teams and further widen our sync gap

[umbral crown]

we need more echo s in our brackets

then they can wonder why they are cp gapped and level gapped

[pastel narwhal]

[keen vapor]

Whyyyyyy

[umbral crown]

i do wonder sometimes

[high vapor]

Hello everyone! Any idea how to beat this team? This one doesn't work anymore.

[tropic summit]

is that 1.5 or 2.0 RL?

(the enemy)

[torn garnet]

Anyone know a good pvp group i can make with these guys?

[high vapor]

Sorry, I have no idea about what you are talking about.

[tropic summit]

it's fine, go with this:

the fact they're not using emilia gives you an advantage, i'd go with noah emilia redhood centi jackal

[high vapor]

Thanks will try and post result

[tropic summit]

the way i see it it should go that both of you are into noah ult, with a difference of around 1-2 seconds

you'll come out from noah ult before they do, your emilia will then hit and wipe

enemy noah and jackal might survive due to biscuit invuln. at worse, but then you can kill them after it ends

[high vapor]

Nope, got destroyed, mine activated way too fast.

[tropic summit]

alright then we gotta tweak a bit your burst gen

[high vapor]

I'll remove the burst cube maybe

[grizzled bone]

[tropic summit]

that's probably not enough, might need to remove jackal

[grizzled bone]

hint: that team is 3rl

[tropic summit]

he mentioned he's not aware what RL means

[grizzled bone]

but you are

[fading heath]

Just out of curiosity: my def teams probably don't matter here right?

Like I'm the most loneliest low cp ever

[tropic summit]

CP is not everything, although higher than 15% CP it starts mattering, if they focus 2 out of your 3 teams it gets even worse (and they will)

[fading heath]

Yeah I know they will LOL

[tropic summit]

although you can make their life harder by making lineups that can throw them off

indom, invulrn, shotgun spam, fast burst

[fading heath]

Yeah thats something I'll have to figure out

[tropic summit]

depends on what you got, but you can mess around a bit

it also helps to rotate your lineup from day to day, as they can't familiarize too much with it

although i don't recommend changing a lineup that has not been defeated yet

[wicked horizon]

Am I cooking yet?

[fading heath]

That's the thing, idk which lineups they are ignoring

Or, maybe they're not ignoring one of my teams at all lol

My bracket is moving to places whenever I'm within people's reaches

[tropic summit]

it's safe to assume people will avoid lineups that involve the things i mentioned above the most:

indom, invulrn, shotgun spam, fast burst

in particular they'll try to dodge scarlet, noah, emilia and blanc teams, unless they got specific counters

[wicked horizon]

It's probably better to run two ~210k teams at 4RL than one meta team at 160k and one team with no B1 at 250k, right?

[tropic summit]

opinions might differ, but statistically in my bracket teams with 3RL or 2.5RL seem to defend better

[wicked horizon]

More about the CP, really

[grizzled bone]

no point running a purely meta team if your bracket can just cp gap it

[wicked horizon]

Surely my 3RL team with all the best units but 160k CP loses to my 210k CP team?

[fading heath]

Yeah I'm thinking of doing screenwipe teams because it would force their hands into either: using their best set up/waste their valued units, or scaring them into ignoring one team

[tropic summit]

well unfortunately this is true

[tropic summit]

actually, i've won against teams of 80-90k CP difference

with hard counters

[wicked horizon]

Not at my CP levels.

[tropic summit]

i got a vid around hold up

[tropic summit]

oh well if it's above 20% it gets rough, 15% is struggling

(cp difference i mean)

[high vapor]

Welp, turn out my emilia can't kill them with max skill.

Game over I guess.

[tropic summit]

this was my highest CP difference won and it barely managed to wipe

[tropic summit]

aww shiet didn't wipe em?

might be the levels then, at lvl 300 it seems to wipe even against treasure maxed

[high vapor]

nope, removed half og their life and didn't budge.

[wicked horizon]

Isn't that...
You don't even have a deficit there?

[whole shell]

Blanc/Emi/RH/Crown/Jackal

Or if you have scarlet just put her in P5 and have S.Anis kill herself

[quartz prawn]

no deficit. only 13.7% cp diff.

[wicked horizon]

13.7% - doesn't translate to a stat penalty

[tropic summit]

yes that's the highest i deal with and barely made it

[quartz prawn]

doesnt matter at that cp gap. might as well be the same cp.

[whole shell]

...wait shit I forgot about rapunzel

[high vapor]

Will try tomorrow, out of try already.

[whole shell]

Ughhhh

[wicked horizon]

For comparison, the difference between 160k and 210k is 23.8%, which translates to some silly stat penalty.

[tropic summit]

well that sucks

[wicked horizon]

Even though the cp diff is smaller.

[tropic summit]

i feel lucky compared that my only whale is only that far away

[fading heath]

I think for a stat penalty fight, it shouldnt be more than 20% in CP deficit, and at that point you need to have a buffer to keep up in dmg i guess

[whole shell]

Just do the team I suggested before when you have attempts tmr

Triple buff emi could maybe do it

[tropic summit]

p.s just noticed, you didn't forget to put romani in the synchro right?

[wicked horizon]

Thanks for reminding me, but no, I didn't. =)

[high vapor]

What do I do if it doesn't work?

[whole shell]

Mald then

[tropic summit]

well that's a ton of damage, if it still doesn't wipe sue shift up

crown + RH buff is immense, blanc will also debuff

[whole shell]

Or maybe do a fast cindy team

Cindy currently is the strongest nuker, outdamaging even double buff scar iirc from what keripo said

It's required to be faster than Noah B2 though otherwise you get screwed like any other aoe nuker

[wicked horizon]

Did any of the bugfixes make her burst gen better?

[whole shell]

No, same burst gen

[wicked horizon]

Damn. Still 0.

[quasi prism]

@terse abyss restin just hit me and lost.

[whole shell]

Team needs to be 2.5RL to activate cindy nuke before enemy uses Noah

But that's assuming they're not using quantum

[high vapor]

I'm using quantum, lvl 11

[coarse lake]

that's still within range, no deficit

13.6%, still fine

barely managed to wipe is bc of no buffer tbf

[wicked horizon]

btw, this is a team I got told to use a long while back that manages 3RL without being completely CP dead
Is the order of the units correct?

[coarse lake]

yes

[high vapor]

Should I go Noah/ centi/ Cindy/ Anis/ Jackal for fast burst?

[whole shell]

Hm

[fading heath]

Opponent's team looks 3RL, so the Blanc/Emilia/RH/Crown/Jackal team suggested before should match in speed and deal enough damage

[coarse lake]

biscuit instead of crown

[fading heath]

Imo I would say Crown is kinda overkill, so biscuit if you scared that blanc dies before burst

[coarse lake]

hoping your blanc burst and rh burst are invested, and emi is at least 4/7/7

[whole shell]

Jesus

[coarse lake]

if so you're fine, if not... you might actually need crown and pray blanc survives

[high vapor]

7/7/10

[coarse lake]

fighting that sanis team? you'll be fine with biscuit variant

assuming emi hp is lower than rh

[fading heath]

@high vapor To give a reference, I used Blanc/Emilia/RH/biscuit/Jackal in a 18.2% CP deficit and didnt wipe enemy team, but knocked them to about 5% HP left, and the rest was just Emilia auto attacking to finish them off

Blanc burst and RH burst is at 10 for this, also Emilia's burst at 10 too

[high vapor]

It is, I'll post my result tomorrow

[high vapor]

I'll try it!

[wicked horizon]

Can I make 2 teams if both teams have to use mostly the units from the first image, optionally 1 unit (per team) from the second image, and then 1 unit that can be whatever?

[tropic summit]

you mean redhood doesn't count as buffer?

[coarse lake]

oh I didn't see her there I should prob get my eyes checked

[whole shell]

Lmao

Single buffer emi still succ tho

[tropic summit]

oh alright, cuz you got me questioning myself there for a sec haha

[whole shell]

Need double buff

[coarse lake]

you can't make even 2 good teams with that mostly pve roster

[wicked horizon]

Well, I'll have to, because if I use my PvE units, I'll get 240k CP.

[coarse lake]

what invest does your mpriv have to have such high cp over your pvp units

[wicked horizon]

For every unit I swap out, I lose 20k CP.

Except for the 3 listed, where I only lose 10k CP.

[coarse lake]

show your pvp units

get a cook including them, then you can work on investing in them

don't need to actually use them yet

[wicked horizon]

I'll hold off on that.

I'll go get my sync up, like you said.

Just a stop-gap for now.

[coarse lake]

if your cp is like 30 higher suddenly you can reach 240k cp with your pvp units

[wicked horizon]

sync, you mean?
Yeah, but then the PvE units also get better.

[coarse lake]

for a long time my pvp units also were very far behind my pve units in cp

but my sync lvl is higher than my peers due to better campaign pushing, so my pvp units were able to compete with their pve units still

[wicked horizon]

Anyways, no shot on getting 2 teams from the listed pictures? (1 being a freebie not on the pictures)

[tropic summit]

it also depends imo to what rank he's aiming for, generally keeping at least diamond I is fairly easy even without full oriented pvp teams

[whole shell]

You can also just take the road I did which is when I hit recommended minimum investment on most of my pve units I just started heavily investing into pvp

[tropic summit]

although if he wants challanger, that may need a bit more investiment

[coarse lake]

depending on the cp of the ppl around you, you can attempt a high cp pve team

but that only works if it can cp diff their teams

[copper creek]

which u definitely dont if u are saving that much cd box

[whole shell]

It's why I can hit pretty heavily against people who have much higher cp than me because they just have dogshit teams

[tropic summit]

regarldess, the dude has maybe 2 teams out of these

not ideal in terms of burst gen, but has a chance

[copper creek]

you have scar/blanc/liter/laplace+/jackal from that
that's it

[wicked horizon]

Cool. Then everyone else goes in the other team. 👍

[whole shell]

Only rookie team

[copper creek]

just out of curiosity

why are u saving cd boxes at early game ?

[wicked horizon]

You didn't even pick a freebie unit?

[copper creek]

i dont understand this question
but no

[coarse lake]

is your laplace treasured

[wicked horizon]

At that CP? ofc

[copper creek]

matter of fact if your laplace isn't +, that option wouldn't even be available to you

[wicked horizon]

Only 4/5 on the team had to be from the images.

The last one was whatever.

[tropic summit]

an option could be these, but second team suffers from burst gen, you really don't have anything else? clip SGs or an Anis?

[copper creek]

i dont know where the rest of ur box is and only saw that message

[wicked horizon]

But you know what units exist.
Just pick something.
If it's not Emilia, I probably have it.

[copper creek]

scar/blanc/red hood or liter/centi/jackal

if nothing else u have a rookie team

[tropic summit]

hmm noir, drake, anis, romani, pepper

got any of these?

[wicked horizon]

All of them

[tropic summit]

biscuit aswell?

[wicked horizon]

Yeah

[wicked horizon]

wait that's the image I posted before

Ah, that's not enough CP, shame.

Though that's my bad. It does meet the criteria.

[unkempt dock]

Hello please help cook Rookie and SP

[tropic summit]

CP wise, how would you do with these?

trying to use the most of your built nikke

meanwhile, a question of my own, what team do you guys suggest to beat this one?

[wicked horizon]

Well, for comparison, I get a bit over 240k on both teams if I disregard everything else.
Those are.... 180k and...
Liter is used in both teams...
211k

[tropic summit]

yes just wanted to know the CP

would that be sufficient for you or off mark?

because we can tweak the teams with a different buffer in case

[wicked horizon]

211k seems fine if it can burst
180k with burst seems worse than 240k without burst

I can just do these two.
209k 3.5RL and 261k no B1

I think that's good enough.

[tropic summit]

second team lacks burst I

[wicked horizon]

yes
Yes it does

[tropic summit]

throw a burst I in there, split liter and jackal

it say move modernia in liter spot and liter in modernia spot, see how CP goes

[wicked horizon]

Will they ever burst?

[tropic summit]

it's looking like a 3RL-4RL

second team is definitely slower though

[wicked horizon]

Yeah, first team was 3.5
Second is... idk, 8?

[mighty haven]

all hands on deck

[tropic summit]

eh might aswell be

[wicked horizon]

That's why I didn't bother with a B1.

[tropic summit]

they really want your rank 10

[wicked horizon]

It is indeed 8 RL, I think.

[river frost]

I really need new teams for sp

[wicked horizon]

Okay I'll stop hogging the PvP chat.
I'll be back when I'm sync 261

[mighty haven]

My spot is free real estate

[wicked horizon]

Love you all

[tropic summit]

post what you're going with for the time being, all 3 teams (or any variation you've been rotating)

then we can see what we can tweak

[unkempt dock]

me too

[tropic summit]

from your roster you already got some good combos available

[unkempt dock]

just dunno how to min max burst regen

[tropic summit]

same for you, post your current 3 teams and we can take a look

[river frost]

These teams worked for all of 20 mins

[unkempt dock]

last time I updated was prolly like half a year ago lol

[tropic summit]

oh ok, 2nd and 3rd team are a bit weird, 1st team could pass

as a rule of thumb, you want the tanks to be slotted in 1st and 5th spot, the most "vulnerable" slots are 1st 2nd and 5th spot in general, 4th being generally the safest, 3rd only exposed to certain enemy nikke

additionally if you can't ensure you'll hit burst in time, you don't want your burst I or burst II be killed before they reach that, so always keep that in mind

[unkempt dock]

🤔

[tropic summit]

i'll post your teams in a sec

[loud sonnet]

[tropic summit]

stop triggering ppl

[unkempt dock]

you're just standing there
Menacingly

[loud sonnet]

I didn't do anything

[tropic summit]

dude literally a maso after the 3rd try

[loud sonnet]

He came from D1 Btw

[mighty haven]

.....gem gem gem

[tropic summit]

and pretty stubborn

[unkempt dock]

I have arrived

[tropic summit]

i'd go with these, see how you do on the CP side

a few can be rotated between the teams, like liter and noise

[unkempt dock]

🤔 no moran?

[tropic summit]

moran would reduce speed, i would use her only to specifc counters

[unkempt dock]

naruhodo

I'll get back to you in like 2mins after Kraken is done

[tropic summit]

moran could be put here for example

[loud sonnet]

My current def

[tropic summit]

but i'd still rather go with the above

[unkempt dock]

okie dokie

[tropic summit]

pretty damn solid teams

i'd skip third team and focus on the first 2

1st team is weak to full wipe with buffers, 2nd team is weak to high speed scarlet + jackal (or timed noah), but i'd have to test them to confirm

team 3 might be wiped by noah + emilia + buffer with adjusted speed, but definitely the most annoying

[tropic summit]

dayum the CP on team 3 is way too high compared the other 2

[unkempt dock]

investment diff

I never built units specifically for arena

[tropic summit]

yeah legit

see if you can rotate drake with noir and liter with noise

getting them all around 330-350k would be nice

[unkempt dock]

haha its funnier

[tropic summit]

haha shoot, definitely better the previous one then

i wouldn't touch the rocket launchers and the main carries (scarlet, RH and SBS)

see if you can mess around with the others to get a more balanced number

1 team with lower CP and 2 with higher would be ideal

[unkempt dock]

this turned out not bad I think

[quartz prawn]

dam this worked
thought i make a slow ass team to avoid biscuit blanc stall since i dont have centi, rumani, etc...

[unkempt dock]

But I'm also dum

[tropic summit]

hmm the only downside wasting potential of biscuit in team 1 without defenders on slot 1 and 5

while exposed blanc and anis on team 3 is kinda bad

you'd want biscuit in slot 4 of team 3 (this gives both anis and blanc a 3s invulnerability when dropping below 50%hp), noir in another team replacing a shotgun or any non rocket, tier II then to replace biscuit in team 1

[unkempt dock]

AAAAAAAAAAgghg
I just dont have the CP to make it work

[tropic summit]

darn, close though

well you can still go with the original 3 teams of earlier and see how they do, don't expect to win every defending fight, but see what the ratios will be (e.g. managed to defend against X over 2-3 days)

[unkempt dock]

this one?

[tropic summit]

else take the risk and go with the balanced ones, but they could abuse those 2 vulnerabilities (on team 3 especially, but you could think of it as the filler team)

[unkempt dock]

cindy not good?

[tropic summit]

that one is the balanced one with the vulnerabilities, still worth a shot though

the issue with cindy is that she needs huge burst gen, you'd have to put jackal and at least anis or centi together

[unkempt dock]

naruhodo

[tropic summit]

so you'd need to tweak a bit again the teams, but you can give it a shot

[tropic summit]

these, meta wise, are the best team (only cp is the issue)

[unkempt dock]

yea I'll take it and look at CP half a year later lol

too many other units to focus on first

[tropic summit]

that's an option, you could take your time and build up the nikke slowly

you should still achieve some results with these regardless, just not fully optmized

[unkempt dock]

need to OL cindy first kekw

[unkempt dock]

yea thats all I want lol
I'm at 110 haha

[glad glade]

Hypothetically, what would be a good cindy team in pvp?

[tropic summit]

cindy noah RH emilia jackal for quick burst with quick 3s invulnerbl

viceversa, if you wanna go ensured wipe

cindy blanc RH emilia jackal for the indom with slightly less speed + debuff

[glad glade]

Thank you

[tropic summit]

these are honestly teams i'd want to skip rather than face

[glad glade]

What if you missed out on emilia then?

[tropic summit]

well that's actually me, i don't have emilia

as of today, no other nikke has her same burst generation, so you'd need to cope with similar but less powerful burst gen nikke

e.g. clip SGs, clip RLs or laplace with treasure

[unkempt dock]

guess I know who to level next ig
but there's asuka too
notlikethis

[tropic summit]

i feel ya, my asuka is still there hoping one day i actually gear her up

[unkempt dock]

too many units not enough gear

[glad glade]

Aaaaah, so that's why Emilia is pvp material

Re:zero never

[tropic summit]

well not just that, she has an unique delayed wipe that bypasses cover (so bay is also meaningless against her)

the fact it is delayed also requires you to time properly burst gen to invuln. at the right time

i'd honestly wish such a unit was never released

[glad glade]

At least attach the kit on someone on standard lol

[tropic summit]

yep, if missed once, missed forever, lovely thing with collab units

[glad glade]

Thankfully, nobody in my shard has her

[tropic summit]

rather, at least in my case, those that have her can generally always beat you, because it makes certain defenses completely meaningless when comboed with noah

[river frost]

Can you help?

[glad glade]

Rip that sucks ass. I can't imagine having to face against someone with an auto "I win" button

[tropic summit]

team 1 and team 2 are good as is, team 3 could be better

what else do you have @river frost

[river frost]

This

[tropic summit]

oh you're well stocked

i see you're not using jackal in any of these teams and biscuit is used in a lineup where you'll hit noah burst anyway, so we can probably use those 2

[river frost]

I wanted to use them but was told these teams were better last time

[tropic summit]

hmm not sure on 3rd team, it's a bit slow

1st and 2nd are solid

i'd go with this:

[hoary hill]

Can someone do maybe some sp arena teams for me

[tropic summit]

@river frost with this one you gain much more speed on 3rd team, 2nd team remains 3RL, 1st team is fine as is

[river frost]

Ok so other than that it's most likely a cp issue I'm assuming

[tropic summit]

CP does play a bit of a part, what's your current CP with those arrangements?

[tropic summit]

post your current 3 teams, we can start from there

[hoary hill]

Oke

[tropic summit]

but yeah, i can see you already have some good meta units

[brazen ledge]

hi, which teams do i do in arena ? its been a while since i made mine i think i can do better now

[river frost]

20, 16 and 17 totaling 579285 cp

[tropic summit]

so 200k 160k and 170k?

[river frost]

Yes

[tropic summit]

hmm not bad, they're even decently balanced

go for that for the next 2-3 days and see how it goes

[hoary hill]

Here are both attack and defense teams

[river frost]

The issue is this

[hoary hill]

Both attack and defense teams

[tropic summit]

that's a bit of CP gap, no wonder you struggling

[tropic summit]

i see, yeah we gotta sort these out, you've got mixed in a few bad picks meta wise

[river frost]

Yup went from top 5 minimum to just getting what I can lol

[hoary hill]

Oke well i just mixed some teams since it worked for now but since the reset iam getting obligerated

I was rank 60 then fought myself up to like 14 and got kicked down again so its pretty bad i gotta say

[tropic summit]

i see, no worries, go with these:

1st and 2nd team are pretty solid, packing good burst speed, 3rd team will be fillerish and less powerful, although if it hits burst it will wipe

[hoary hill]

Alright i will try them out thanks

Can they go for both categories

[tropic summit]

you mean rookie?

[hoary hill]

Thats gonna be some tuff grind since some of them are not built

[tropic summit]

yeah makes sense, although these are the best "meta" based on your current nikke, you could play around with CP on especially the third team if you want

[hoary hill]

Nop just for sp arena right now since rookie is pretty solid tbh

[tropic summit]

but yeah these 3 teams can go both offense and defense

1st and 2nd team should focus the weakest enemy teams, so the 3rd can just fill and doesn't matter if it loses

[hoary hill]

Oke thank you Railtracer

Well then this means i got something to do for the next days i guess

I mean i still have a lot to do but still

[tropic summit]

yep, keep in mind you wanna try at least for 2-3 days before having a proper consideration,

1. if the enemy has a lot of early firepower, use 2nd team as you've invulnerability for 3s due to biscuit,

2. if the enemy team has a lot of MGs/Rifles/SGs, go for 1st team as scarlet will eat them alive

[hoary hill]

Alright

alright it is a 40k cp loss but well see how it works i guess so yea either way i need to level up the skills and give them all gear

[tropic summit]

before fighting in case if you wanna post it here, we could tweak the lineup to counter them

up 2 you

[hoary hill]

oke

iam just gonna try it out i trust in your team building i mean sometimes i get destroyed even do the teams have way much lower cp then me so i see no problem with it

[tropic summit]

yeah it depends on counters, in nikke PvP even the strongest meta could be countered with the right pick order, keep it in mind there's no general "all winning" lineup

[hoary hill]

either way i will get some loses since the reset probably brought some people with it who whale so i try my best to be atleast in the 20s should be managable

[tropic summit]

i think diamond I, as long as you kept playing daily, should be possible to anyone

[brazen ledge]

pls guys

[tropic summit]

challanger starts getting interesting, mostly due to highly skilled players (or full fledged whales CP padding)

[hoary hill]

yea but you probably need to attack a bit later then directly

[tropic summit]

post your current 3 teams meanwhile we can take a look

[hoary hill]

challenger is too far from even thinking about it eince it get conquerd every day you really need to play the game longer then like 2 months and be trough the 160 wall to realls progress and have the ability to fight there

since whales and player who invest will be more likely to be in the top the same with rookie

iam most of the time 4 place since the other 3 are either way whales or just have redhood who obliterates me

but if i keep working on these teams i should have an easy time maybe

[tropic summit]

aiming for actually keeping rank 4 wouldn't be a bad start

you'd be missing out only of 300 gems per season

[hoary hill]

i will see i guess

how far i will come

does raid not come up soon again

[brazen ledge]

oke 1 sec

[hoary hill]

because if it comes again i should be able to hopefully aquire some dolls to progress quicker

[brazen ledge]

@tropic summit

So???

[tropic summit]

see if you can roll biscuit as soon as possible, it would help covering for one of the two teams, but you could go with this.

Team 3 is the most fragile, if needed rotate SBS with noise, although keep in mind if SBS gets killed before bursting it's gonna be on Laplace (if treasured, it's not too bad)

[hoary hill]

alright i changed some gear iam now at 258k i know jsut need doll material and some dolls for the other charachters and i should be able to get pretts much more cp

in sp arena now i need to test that out tomorrow

[tropic summit]

oke doke, you should find me around this same time (10:00PM - 12:00PM) CET if you wanna first crosscheck in chat

[hoary hill]

alright i will keep that in mind thanks again Railtracer