pvp-arena

[fast relic]

@broken raven just took down the guy in 3rd with the same attacking teams that got me 4th yesterday. Outsped his jackal team and SAnis crushed his CP gappers. Can't thank you enough

[final tendon]

like this if im understanding the tier gen column?

but i need rh to burst 3 so maybe not

[broken raven]

no prob, goes to show that pve team padding can only do so much before pvp team crumbles them

[final tendon]

seraph any advice for this matchup

[broken raven]

taunter + biscuit cooks that matchup

noah biscuit b1 b3 centi

assume you want to save jackal for another comp

[final tendon]

prob too much of a gap

damn maybe the 3 days i was winning in a row was just a fluke then idk

[broken raven]

you can literally do blanc - biscuit - RH - SBS- centi

[fervent bolt]

curious, what hypothetically would i be buying if i was wantign to catch up? core dust?

[pastel narwhal]

gear mats, books, rocks

[swift mango]

I bet it's core dust, credit, even exp lol... Not worth it. Unless you are very rich.

[pastel narwhal]

batteries, dupes ... just buy the whole store

[final tendon]

thanks this worked

[swift mango]

And then it's just to flex.

[final tendon]

[pastel narwhal]

oh and dolls, and doll mats

[fervent bolt]

the rates are so bad even wanting to spend it is hard not to feel underwhelmed

[final tendon]

for defense, is this worse than my team with biscuit? i mean it gets me to 3.5 RL BURST(7sg) so i imagine it's better and it gives me more power

[grizzled bone]

SPA Def

Blanc-Emilia-RH-Biscuit-Noir
Noah-Noise-SBS-Rapunzel-Centi
Moran-Scarlet-MPriv-Poli-Pepper

Essential:

put Biscuit in your synchro 4/4/4 skills to start

Future:

put Anis in your synchro 4/4/4 only

[broken raven]

you can do it no prob

[final tendon]

i wanna get all my dailies done but then i worry about people hitting me while my cubes are on my pve teams lol

i guess most of them will stay on the same unit

[copper creek]

i would not recommend running anything slower than 3rl speed on def

because anything slower than that is just begging to be nuked, straightforward

[final tendon]

sadly i don't think i can make a decent enough 2nd 3rl team currently

[copper creek]

ultimately just invest in pvp unit more when/if possible

[final tendon]

yeah im trying to balance pvp investment and pve

quite rough

[tropic summit]

scarlet shadow has bad burst gen, if you replace her with anything that has better speed it would likely hit 2RL - 2.5RL

[broken raven]

its really hard to move from 3 to 2.5, changing SBS won't do it

but make it 3, for sure

[final tendon]

I’d ideally like to replace her with sanis when I build her up more I think

[broken raven]

s.anis have bad burst gen as well

if you want to replace SBS do it with a clip shot or emilia or treasured laplace, anything else its not worth

[tropic summit]

do we've a spreadsheet of each nikke burst gen in pvp with/without quantum/adjutant cubes?

[broken raven]

its in pin

[tropic summit]

ah cool gonna take a look

since im messing with cubes the time has finally come to do some arrangements

[broken raven]

but here's the thing, that team it already got 2 slow gens in blanc and RH, there's no way to salvage to 2, best you can do is 2.5 with 3x clip RL each with lvl7 quantum

[spiral onyx]

Adjutant is not enough to change anyone's burst gen based on the XRL system. It does in a frame based system but we don't have a frame based spreadsheet

[broken raven]

and in sp, you want to distribute your clip RL, not spend them all on the same team

[tacit rain]

So the game's given me, Jackal, Noah and Biscuit in the space of 3 days so i think it wants me to pvp

[spiral onyx]

There are very rare cases where stacking enough charge speed (via Adjutant and OL lines) can actually affect burst gen speed in the XRL system. Notable Emilia

[broken raven]

maybe treasured laplace as well since she has almost the same blast radius as emilia

but that's probably moving from almost a clip SG to a little better than clip SG

[spiral onyx]

Emilia has her own charge speed self buff which is why if you stack enough you can hit a breakpoint where she can fire an additional shot within a regular RL window

[broken raven]

people can go blue 7% line x4 charge speed on laplace in 100 stones XD

[spiral onyx]

For other units who don't have such a similar charge speed self buff, it won't make any difference. When you burst depends on when the last shot that pushes you to/over 100% lands

[broken raven]

that and lvl 7 adju, maybe hit the breakpoint?

[spiral onyx]

Like if you are running 5 RLs and you give 4 of them Adjutant, it may not matter because you may still end up waiting for that last RL to land (assuming each RL contributes 20% burst gen, as a hypothetical example)

Your burst gen speed is only as fast as the last bullet that lands to get that 100%

[broken raven]

and imagine having so much charge speed you whith your RL more

[spiral onyx]

So unless you're able to hit certain "breakpoints" which you would have to manually calculate based on your team comp, it doesn't always make a difference

Same reason why Quantum cube doesn't always make you burst faster

[final tendon]

Got it Ty

[bleak shale]

ive been meaning to do a frame based one but my motivation died

delayed like champion arena

for the past year

[spiral onyx]

If your burst gen after 3RL is 105% and 2.5RL is let's say 70%, throwing Quantum cubes on everyone isn't gonna make a difference. Pushing 70% to 75% is still less than 100%

[stone warren]

Can I get the lineup sp arena def with my nikkes?

[spiral onyx]

I've been playing Cat Fantasy (another gacha with lewder skins) for the past 2 months and Throne & Liberty (an MMORPG) for the past month, so Nikke has been on my backlog. I haven't even read through all the new stories yet lol

[bleak shale]

is that why u didnt do cindy pvp yet

when i was looking at burst gen she started hitting only cover, only nikke and sometimes both

seemed pretty random when it happened too

[spiral onyx]

Half that and half the fact that she's bugged af

So no point analyzing and testing too much till they fix/finalize her kit

[broken raven]

how she's hitting through noah immune XD

[bleak shale]

u probably got snapshotted

noah immunes her pretty consistently if u burst at the right time

[spiral onyx]

Noah's burst effect is also delayed I believe

I once had a case where Noah died just before her shield came up

Everyone else lived though lol

[broken raven]

the screenshot all shows everyone's number to be immune, while noah died

[bleak shale]

ya theres a delay between b2 and when noah immunes

[spiral onyx]

If Noah is in P1 or taunting, it's possible she died to something that only hit her and not the rest of the team

Imagine a machine gun pew-pewing at her and a Scarlet AoE nuke

It's possible Noah dies to the last few machine gun bullets that make it through right before her shield goes up

Then the shield goes and blocks the Scarlet AoE nuke

Or... Cinderella is just bugged af right now, take your pick

[broken raven]

need someone to try catch a video where noah is clearly faster, everyone on their team 1 sec immune, and suddenly she pops dead from cindy burst while everyone is still immune after she die

[spiral onyx]

Thank you for volunteering

[broken raven]

my rookie ladder too weak

they all die before cindy burst

[warm monolith]

Heres the nikkes. I need 3 teams for pvp please

I accidently excanged 1.7 billion battle data into 50k core dust and i get them to lvl 246

[fathom rock]

Scarlet/bunny soda/centi/noir/jackal
Noah/sbs/rapunzel/biscuit/anis
Cp pad

[warm monolith]

Thank you man . I should use this for both attack and defence right?

[fathom rock]

That's défense only, attack dépends on eenmy lineup

My French autocorrect

[warm monolith]

Okay thanks. Have a good night man

[sinful viper]

can anyone make me an offensive and defensive lineup with these nikkes

[oblique magnet]

i didn't get cindy, but i finally got noah for pvp

[fathom rock]

cinderella/bunny soda /noir/ anis/pepper

[upper grove]

how do I counter their alice team? I tried with my own but it didn't work

[sinful viper]

offensive or defensive

[fathom rock]

That's défense, attack team relies on enemy formation but at your lvl I can imagine it working

[sinful viper]

so this

[fathom rock]

You need a 2rl comp
Replace naga for Sr anis

Also position your team like this :
Noah/Alice/centi/anis/jackal

[upper grove]

thanks, appreciate your input

[fathom rock]

hope you win

[upper grove]

trying tomorrow, I just need to keep top 2-3 haha

my other attacking team is:
drunk scarlet, blanc, laplace, noise, tia.
The team usually wins but can I optimize it further?

What about defense, atm:
T1 Noise, Alice, Liter, Blanc, Laplace
T2 Tia, Moran, EVA-Rei, SR Anis, Asuka (CP Pad)
T3 Scarlet, Noah, Naga, Centi, Jackal

My current box: I can use other units for synchro if needed

[broken raven]

T1 liter is doing nothing except slowing down your team
t2 super slow, you're not going to burst and Tia re-enter b1 make it completely insufferable
T3 naga not good pvp unit switch to anything clip (noir, maiden, drake, sugar). also you're wasting noah cause jackal is providing enough protection to scarlet as it is

[main trail]

you guys think this is enough survivability for emilia to get off a full charge?

[broken raven]

your biscuit is likely going to steal indom from emilia

[rustic sandal]

for sp arena what teams?

[main trail]

you think i should swap around the order?

[broken raven]

yeah blanc-emi-bis

[vapid lake]

bracket be like

[trim fable]

what comp to use against this (rookie) ?

[swift mango]

I remember Cindy can hit pass Noah. So just do Cindy+x+x+Biscuit+Jackal

[whole shell]

Use taunting defender + biscuit to completely invalidate sbs

A setup using Noah/Emi would work, and make sure noah is the only defender

So she can proc Biscuit's S2 twice

Oh wait

Eh actually nvm that won't work

Team is too fast

[trim fable]

what about noah/noise/cindy/bisc/s.anis?

[raven plover]

sanis it

[whole shell]

Dw that was for something else I was going to suggest

[whole shell]

^ works too

[whole shell]

Cindy is counterable by noah, wouldn't recommend

[raven plover]

noah, biskit, sanis, rapun / redhood, jack

[trim fable]

that works

[raven plover]

surprisingly, sometimes if cindy and noah taunt proc at the same time, this happen

cindy the most bugged unit in the game atm

girl killed noah under noah shield

[whole shell]

Seriously?

Lmao

[trim fable]

what about against this?

[whole shell]

Damn

[whole shell]

Just realized you're drunk scarletless

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1014951072072216626.png?quality=lossless&name=deadge&size=48

Oof

[raven plover]

you can pray with

noah, rapun, jack, emi, biskuit

[trim fable]

unfortunately yes, the only pilgrim im missing (apart from graves)

[whole shell]

Rip

[trim fable]

[raven plover]

damn

[whole shell]

Oooooof

[raven plover]

time to upgrade emi

maybe noah, centi, jack, biskit, sbs?

[trim fable]

that works yeah

[whole shell]

Well that was quick

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1016228345823907880.gif?quality=lossless&name=kekwwa&size=48

[raven plover]

[whole shell]

Unsure if this is possible with the units I have

[umbral crown]

[whole shell]

But may as well try anyway

Noise/Rapu/Emi/Bay/Jackal maybe?

[tropic summit]

question on this... is indom triggering based on low HP or random? because even when a certain unit is lowest HP it might steal indom randomly, at least it seems to happen to some of my rounds

[nocturne arrow]

i dont think ein is the anwser?

[tropic summit]

i'd try scarlet noah sanis centi jackal, you did this lineup b4 against them?

privaty and sanis will suicide on your scarlet b4 ideally they trigger the dmg and healing from sanis burst

also you should be able to wipe before noise gets going aswell

the team above also hits burst b4 they do, at best only jackal will survive following your wipe (due to invuln. from biscuit)

[whole shell]

Based on lowest hp

[nocturne arrow]

dont have scarlet and noah

[whole shell]

Honestly that's such a strange... team

Biscuit is totally wasted there

[tropic summit]

it's not wasted if you read what her skills do, it boosts support units and sanis is their main DPS there, they're synerginzg with also noise who's also a support

the only weakness i see in that lineup is that they're slower than what you could dish out, at the cost of implementing sustain

[whole shell]

I forgot about priv ammo cut making offburst s.anis viable

[tropic summit]

yes, it essentially gives steroids to sanis

while biscuits gives even more sustain

your main target here is to outspeed them and wipe, leaving jackal alive and finish her off alone (due to biscuit invuln.)

[whole shell]

It also didn't help that both blanc and liter were feeding jackal heavily

[harsh cedar]

Could someone please help me make the teams for sp arena... I don't have the brain for it

I have everyone basically

[whole shell]

Still need to show your units as that gives us a rough idea of power and investment

[harsh cedar]

A moment pls

[whole shell]

Also turns out I already tried this team so rip

[tropic summit]

@harsh cedar

start making 2 teams with your best units and a third with filler, possibly all with your highest CP units, then we can start working on it

[whole shell]

I need something different

[tropic summit]

you can try going for faster burst, an example:

ein centi sanis SRanis jackal - this one should be essentially 1.5 - 2.0 RL

this should ideally wipe b4 they hit sustain

[whole shell]

No ein

[tropic summit]

what else you got which is bursty?

[whole shell]

Or I mean alternatively I could just bully people lower than me

[tropic summit]

well that's an option

[whole shell]

Kinda want to give this specific guy the middle finger though because he's the only person in my rookie bracket that I haven't had the success of beating so I've been trying to cook things for the past few weeks

[whole shell]

Box is here btw

[harsh cedar]

You mean just throw the highest powered units on the 3 teams?

[whole shell]

I think what they were saying was to make 2 pvp viable teams and shove whatever's left on your third team to act as a cp gapper

[harsh cedar]

Thats the problema how do i make a pvp viable team

I don't know what works with what...

[grizzled bone]

should be lowest HP but you have to take damage into account

[terse abyss]

@quasi prism this pvp server getting spicy

[quasi prism]

Yeah it is

[terse abyss]

i dont think i can beat razor's team tbh

[quasi prism]

wondering who 3rd place is

._.

I wish I knew what message's I would be allowed to post without getting bonked randomly

[final tendon]

ohh shiiiiiii i finally got pepper

[final tendon]

me with my swearing

[terse abyss]

some chiense guy judging the nickname lol

he continuously hit me couple weeks ago before i was in top 3

[final tendon]

This giga whale in my bracket just gate keeps everyone

[torn onyx]

3 teams suggestion for sp defense please?

[crimson harbor]

3 team suggestion plz

[graceful grotto]

Notable Units:
B1: Jackal, Liter, Rapunzel, Moran, Tia
B2: Anis, Blanc, Noah, Centi, Bay
B3: S. Anis, Ein, B. Soda, Drake, Cinderella, Alt.Quency, Noir

Special cases: Alice, Asuka, Summer Sakura, Rei, Kilo

T1: Noah S. Anis B.Soda Anis Moran
T2: Cinderella Blanc Centi Noir Jackal
T3: Tia Bay Ein Rapunzel Drake

[valid fern]

I think I might actually be able to beat him. I'll try before reset if I still have attempts left. Also congrats on reaching c3, you got here faster than I expected.

[final tendon]

there's no way it holds man

but the guy i can beat randomly showed up there so i went for it

im hoping this gets me a safe 6th place tho

im straight up out of dust so no real progression from me for a while

[valid fern]

top 3 is very contested this season. but if you can stick around, it will help set you up for next season.

[final tendon]

oh really? i thought it was just a hard reset

[valid fern]

oh, if its time for a full bracket shuffle then nvm. but if its a typical season reset then yeah.

[final tendon]

so how does it usually work for you since you only see 2 opponents right? just switching spots?

i think given my points rn i should be pretty locked in for 6th

and only refreshed 2x so net gain of 200 baby

how do you like the sbs skin btw. im prooobably going to get it but at the same time

[valid fern]

yeah its too late in the season now to affect your actual ranking. but its still good to try and maintain rank since you start at the same position next season.

tbh I couldve skipped the sbs skin no problem but she is nostalgic for me because she was my first strong pilgrim. carried my ass in both campiagn and pvp. she deserves fancy skin.

[graceful grotto]

Notable Units:
B1-3: RH
B1: Moran, Noise, Jackal, Pepper, Tia, Liter
B2: Bay, Anis, Blanc, Biscuit
B3: Scarlet, S.Anis, Noir, Cinderella, Drake, Maiden, SBS, B. Soda, Alt.Quency

Special: Alice Crown Rei Kilo S.Sakura

T1: Scarlet Blanc Liter/Tia Anis Jackal
T2: Cinderella Biscuit RH Noir Moran
T3: Noah S.Anis Pepper Drake Noise

Notable units for you to swap around depending on which works

[final tendon]

wait really? i thought final sp point accumulation would count till the season ends

i still don't really get the point of battle ranking since i just look at point ranking now

[grizzled bone]

depends on the position

[valid fern]

every point accumulation counts of course but what Im saying is that at a certain point, there is only so much time left to push the needle. your final rank isn't going to change much for spending a day or two higher. for example if you've spent most of the season staying in c4-c6, being in c3 for the last few days isn't going to change your final ranking much BUT you still wanna try and maintain it so you can start there next season.

[graceful grotto]

Notable units:

B1: Liter, Noise, Pepper, Rapunzel
B2: Centi, Xanne, Biscuit, Anis
B3: SBS, Maiden, Laplace (treasure), Noir, Cinderella, Drake

Special: Alice Makima

T1: Cinderella Biscuit Noir Anis Rapunzel
T2: Laplace (T) Xanne Liter Maiden Noise
T3: Makima Centi Pepper SBS Drake

you'll want to pull more PVP units to be more viable: Jackal especially, Blanc too and hopefully you'll get Noah, as of current your team is very susceptible to screen wipers

[grizzled bone]

to add on to that Fever, you seem to be a returning player. Keep in mind you are unlikely to catch up to the rest of your bracket

[lapis field]

Good day! Help me assemble my r arena and spa teams due to new recruit of nikkes (noir is freshly new due to free 10 adv tix btw)

[unkempt flame]

Thank you

[final tendon]

i had a question about this a bit ago but if i take a break for like 2 weeks am i just cooked unless i get reshuffled

im traveling for 3 weeks in a bit and i prob won't be playing too much

actually nikke dailies are fast i should be fine

[grizzled bone]

2-3 weeks should be fine. I would log in to do outpost though.
https://dotgg.gg/nikke/tools/income-calculator
you can use this calculator to see how much resources you'll be missing

Chainsaw Man collab was more than a year ago

so accounts that have those units should be more around 400+

[crimson harbor]

Arigathanks gozaimuch

[crimson harbor]

Yep that's gonna be a big problem

[final tendon]

oo yeah ok i'll just do my dailies and outpost then

3.1k is too much to skip out on

[crimson harbor]

But i will catch up after 3 4 months i think

[final tendon]

ohh yeah yeah i get what you're saying now. i have been at 5/6 most of the season so i should be ok

[umbral crown]

new whale coming

[valid fern]

thats what I thought too, those were some ominous words haha.

[umbral crown]

can you show us the top cp in your SP bracket?

[copper creek]

u're fine, someone quit for a month and was still in contention against leo and i for c1 (barely)

[final tendon]

word

i told myself not to care about pvp in this game bc it's whales at the top but

it's kinda fun now (im addicted to checking if someone hits me)

[umbral crown]

happens to me, even tho i know they do not

[grizzled bone]

welcome to the pvp party

[raven plover]

checking blue shields

[twilit basin]

Can i get some teams for defense and attack in Special Arena? I cant get past Diamond 1. I have all Nikkes except these ones

[umbral crown]

thats me daily

last blue shield was 2 days ago

[copper creek]

careful, this is how we spent 5k gem per season at one point

[umbral crown]

[copper creek]

drop me a dm brotherman

[vapid lake]

I only check at start of the day and end of the day when i'm online

Ya'll cannot seriously be checking it every hour

[umbral crown]

i do

[copper creek]

dont need to check every hour

[final tendon]

yeah that i'll never do but even refreshing 2x was jumping down the rabbit hole

[copper creek]

#pvp-arena message

[umbral crown]

when i wake up, when i arrive at work, during work, during lunch break, before going out of work, at home and before to sleep

[copper creek]

this is how fun u can get in 1min much less 1h lmao

[raven plover]

no way Im gonna get a new house ?

[valid fern]

we're pretty lucky our bracket seems to only have one real whale. meanwhile, my day 1 player friend is perma stuck in like d2 because his bracket is a bunch of actual whales.

[copper creek]

im not mrbeast, just private server invite

[raven plover]

damn no new house

[copper creek]

im broke bro... how to fund house

[grizzled bone]

he wants to know your location, dog's name, etc

[final tendon]

jeez lmao

i count my blessings

[copper creek]

if u want

u guys can try c1-10 all online and playing musical chair at same time

super fun

[valid fern]

musical chairs as a video game sounds fun.

[copper creek]

more fun irl especially when tipsy

[crimson harbor]

Im wayyyy below lmao

[final tendon]

is that fukin

[umbral crown]

almost 3m...

[final tendon]

2.8milly

[umbral crown]

whats their sync? 500?

[vapid lake]

U ain't catching up buddy even if u spend $10000

[copper creek]

yea brotha u aint catching up sorry to break it to u

[umbral crown]

take a ss of the top 1

max cp is 2.9m

they must be lv450+

or close to 500

[crimson harbor]

Play 4 the physics and the des so idk if i really wanna go hardcore

[vapid lake]

Dont bother u aint catching up

[umbral crown]

but show us the sync of that top 2

[vapid lake]

Just pretend pvp doesn't exist

[umbral crown]

or create a new account

you would have to spend 200k for a chance...

close to D1

[graceful grotto]

i'm the top 1 but my cp is the lowest among the top 10

hahahaha, but recently dropped to c3, guess the mate finally find a counter to my defense

need to one up them

[umbral crown]

in the pic?

[crimson harbor]

They got 1 million lmao

[rich quail]

Wow, 300 levels sync difference

I thought I was bad

[grizzled bone]

this is way worse than i thought lol...

[umbral crown]

waos, too much for you. if you wanna enjoy pvp you better start a new account and get all the stuff to get Cindy and some mor eunits

[copper creek]

ultimately if u dont care to be competitive in pvp, thats fine

if u want to be then, well its not happening on that account

[umbral crown]

if not pretent pvp does not exist, and focus only pve

[crimson harbor]

what if i dont play pvp

does it affect my account badly or just losing alot of gems

[umbral crown]

oh, you need to invest more on pvp or make your rival have a hard time with you

[grizzled bone]

then you dont need us anymore 🙂

[copper creek]

just no pvp gem income

[crimson harbor]

shiet

[umbral crown]

nope, for pve you would be just fine

[crimson harbor]

rip

[copper creek]

maybe 600/2week

as opposed to 3k/2week

[crimson harbor]

how much can top 1 gain

[umbral crown]

3k gems every 12 days

[grizzled bone]

c1-3 3000 gems

[copper creek]

or maybe most people get less than 3k idk, i havent ever been not c1 lmao

[umbral crown]

since i broke the wall, always C1

[grizzled bone]

@crimson harbor

[umbral crown]

300 gems then

[crimson harbor]

ty 4 the advice

well then 300gems to go

[umbral crown]

[graceful grotto]

yeah, that's the tiring part

busy building pve units for raids lol

[vapid lake]

Build unit that's good in both pvp and pve

First

[umbral crown]

try to do your best

[thorn pagoda]

did you take a 1 year break

[mighty haven]

why must you be annoying

[cosmic furnace]

can someone help me build pvp team ?

here is chara i have

[grizzled bone]

SPA Def

Blanc-S.Anis-RedHood-Emilia-Centi
Noah-Noise-Cinderella/2B-Rapunzel-Biscuit
Crown-Scarlet-Liter-Noir-Jackal

[elder cosmos]

Can i please get 2 pvp teams? thanks

[mighty haven]

2 defence teams? Do you have another team set up already?

[cosmic furnace]

sorry bro but that is SPA ?

[thin perch]

What would be a god SAnis team for Rookie arena?

[elder cosmos]

yeah but they're old

[swift mango]

You would even be more annoying if that guy log in every 2 hours and hit your back 1 minute after you hit him.

[mighty haven]

and this is why Nikke push notifications are off

[rustic sandal]

whats a good pvp team?

should i use rogue?

[cosmic furnace]

may i ask what about ATK tho ?

[brittle hill]

rip, you can do Cindy, Blanc, Anis, Liter/Rouge/Rapunzel/Noir. You won't have enough for team 2 or 3

maybe scarlet, maid privaty, Liter, Drake, and Laplace

[rustic sandal]

ok so this is for arena what team do u think i can make starting now? as a new player

[brittle hill]

Shotguns has higher burst gen that Scarlet so I would put Noir there instead

or Drake. It seems like it didn't give you three teams to build yet

[rustic sandal]

so cind blanc anis liter and noir?

[brittle hill]

yup you're fine, then when you unlock the 2nd team; Scarlet, Maid privaty, Rouge, Laplace, Drake

personally anis should be in middle because she has 0 defense as a SR

[swift mango]

Try Rouge if she is invested lol

[rustic sandal]

nobody is really invested this is like a 5 day account am still on chapter 11

i just level up and only scarlet and cind got skills leveled

everyone equipment is like auto equip

[swift mango]

Lol my bad

Nvm me

[rustic sandal]

aight so this is the team i ended up making (np)

then for sp this is the team i made

[brittle hill]

You're going to be a diamond rank already

grown up so quick

[swift mango]

Rouge need to be is slot 2 to activate her effect.

Cindy+Rouge+Blanc+Noir+Anis

Is the only way it work. So maybe keep Liter instead.

As some of Rouge buff takes time to activate too.

In campaign though, Rouge is better for Cindy.

[brittle hill]

for third team, remove rapunzel if you need to ^^ and replace with doro. It's going to be your fodder team anyways

[rustic sandal]

when grave drops she replaces marciana?

[brittle hill]

so rouge > rapunzel or switch them whenever you test it in comps. Idk

because i haven't looked at the kit myself. It's probably in the pins somewhere

bro she's cracked https://www.prydwen.gg/nikke/characters/grave

[rustic sandal]

grave looking a pierce team unit for alice

[swift mango]

Grave a DPS burst 2. So she want to be with Asuka and Rei.A to buff her up. Who you don't have. Or at least 2 pierce dps.

Cindy+Rouge+Blanc+Scarlet+Noir/Rapunzel will be your main stay in campaign. Grave won't replace anyone.

[brittle hill]

assault rifle

[rustic sandal]

other than alice who is the other best pierce dps?

is modernia pierce?

[swift mango]

Alice is the best pierce dps if you invest in her max out and has a gamer chair to manual her masterfully.

Otherwise, Red Hood is best pierce dps.

[rustic sandal]

gamer chair damn i was considering mlb alice with the recruit stuff

[rustic sandal]

omg red hood

one day i will get her one day

https://tenor.com/view/kiryu-yakuza-bakamitai-dame-dame-dane-gif-17523422

[swift mango]

Burst Grave gonna be main stay in the meta Fire Asuka+Rei.A/Alice+Modernia combo I bet. Since that team buff each other.

[rustic sandal]

well asuka rei are never coming back so i have to cope and hope i get modernia so should i bother buying grave wil my tickets?

or should i save for future unit?

[swift mango]

She won't affect your campaign team much unless you invested heavily in Alice. To go with Rouge+Grave+Cindy+Alice

[swift mango]

But she is a meta Pligrim so I would still get her.

[rustic sandal]

aight thank u so much what about interception bosses

best team for drill thing

[swift mango]

Just go with Rouge+Blanc+Cindy+Noir+Scarlet

[rustic sandal]

for every interception boss?

[swift mango]

The drill thing mainly. Other wise Burst with Scarlet instead.

I mean, Grave digger

I realized this is wrong topic for this chat lol sorry

Later

[glacial cosmos]

this is my current pvp lineup. i recently pulled og scarlet and i am wondering where and if i should slot her in or if there's more to be adjusted in general.

[sharp ember]

can someone explain how i still lose with the same lineup and bigger power???

[raven plover]

dont quick battle and watch the vid

[summer copper]

Or quick battle and watch the vid

[dense prawn]

What is the latest SP arena meta comp? I have not updated my teams for a long time.

[livid marsh]

How cinderella for pvp?

[pastel edge]

hello could someone help me build 3 PvP teams to set auto? I haven't touched the PvP mode for long time so I don't know anything about current meta 😭

[frigid jungle]

Can anyone help me with sp defense team? got a couple of new nikke wanted to update my team abit thanks

[quick lake]

1. Noise Noah SAnis Drake Naga
2. Blanc RH Noir Biscuit Centi
3. Scarlet Jackal SBS Sugar Crown

[gaunt cypress]

noir ?

[quick lake]

Oops rip

[lunar pawn]

champion arena doko

[somber matrix]

coming with SSR rapi

[trail nimbus]

What is the feed chart Cinderella?

[somber matrix]

sp arena suggest squad blease. both offense and defense

[quasi prism]

my brother in christ, why do you have your non-synchro unit's leveled up

[somber matrix]

experiments

[quasi prism]

[somber matrix]

apparently the 6th lv200 unit does not get slotted into the sync

xdd

[quasi prism]

Should reset those to level up synchro more

could get a few more levels out of it

[somber matrix]

if i ever feel like it or if they ever hand out free resets

[quasi prism]

Don't think free reset's are a thing, and it's only 10 gems

pretty cheap as is

[mighty haven]

Here's hoping 2nd is happy to stay 2nd

[somber matrix]

k but can i hab squad suggestions

[loud sonnet]

[raven plover]

[jovial steppe]

Can someone help me build my PvP team? Because I don't wanna stuck in Diamond 9
I'm actually very stupid when it comes to PvP stuff 💀

[mighty haven]

Prydwen called this the 4RL Thicc team, I'm inclined to agree

[worthy lake]

Hi anyone encounter this before ? wtf

Ok I restart the game, it gone. Strange

[gaunt cypress]

someone attacking you when you trying attacking other

maybe check history battle

[worthy lake]

Dont have. Strange

Maybe is glitch thing

[worthy knoll]

Iirc it usually shows up if you had a connection error then you go to arena. Before getting that, did you get an error message and game reloaded you back to the lobby

[pastel edge]

tysm ❤️

[drifting hazel]

You both got bad defenses I guess

[pastel edge]

should I place them like exactly this position?

[worthy lake]

I believe you are right.

[worthy lake]

Our defenses are okay just that we have repeated nikkes and we knew what comp we using so it became familiar. Other people cant beat us so our ranks are consider top 5 is not bad

[drifting hazel]

Aight, didn’t mean bad like challenger 7 like me but like couldn’t counter their attack teams

[worthy lake]

Can try get some advice from here maybe?

[drifting hazel]

I just lack in investment on units for PvP + low synchro compared to my PvP block

[worthy lake]

You partially pve player ?

[drifting hazel]

I bricked myself by not moving in chapter progression for like 3 months

[drifting hazel]

Yeah

[mighty haven]

[drifting hazel]

Plus I’m missing Ein and SBS. And I think I got the rest of the important units besides that. But very little to no investment in PvP focused units like Noah or Biscuit

[worthy lake]

[drifting hazel]

#pvpbricked

[umbral crown]

🎈

[copper creek]

ATK side depends on what you're up against.

[copper creek]

modernia does not have a pierce mechanic.

pierce mechanic does not matter in pvp/arena modes.
rockets fired from rocket launchers have splash damage, but that is a totally different thing from pierce

[copper creek]

generally, it's never a good idea to mirror in this game

[copper creek]

there is no such thing as a meta comp. depends on your box (specifically, your level of investment into various nikkes because everyone has everything lol)

[tired flax]

Any recommendations on countering emilia is pvp,

[grizzled bone]

special arena

[grizzled bone]

attacks should be tailored to your opponents defense

For attack, you can make 2 attack teams and you can skip 1 enemy team by putting 1 unit on P5. You can view the links here for counters in Rookie and Special Arena (SP) (other useful stuff at pins):

Prydwen:

• Meta units - https://tinyurl.com/4ffcu6sx
• Special Arena (SP) - https://tinyurl.com/ycxnsjrv

nikke.gg:

• Rookie Arena - https://tinyurl.com/43u6a2z4
• Special Arena (SP) - https://tinyurl.com/2p8222fy

Keripo's Video and Matrix:

• Countering the Meta - https://tinyurl.com/eydrpwh7
• Keripo's PvP Matrix - http://tinyurl.com/keripo-nikke-pvp-test-matrix

From 瑟瑟出品's Youtube Channel:

• Rookie Arena Videos (CN) - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLm7TApldE9QBb5aaQizIrIX0PMmTOZFJo
• Special Arena (SP) Videos (CN) - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLm7TApldE9QBCIBJXz6gxKHcf54BEuT3Z
• Special Arena (SP) Videos (English) - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLm7TApldE9QAqccQN3wgMufgcxWC1D26f

but can ask for help against specific people

[sullen matrix]

Help me make team for pvp

[thorn pagoda]

probably quantum cubes

[sharp ember]

i mean i can still beating him, it just baffle me when i try to copy with bigger power but still lose. but alright no need to tell me the reason why i lose.

i have 3 on them

[thorn pagoda]

maybe he has 5

[sharp ember]

interesting

[thorn pagoda]

max it out

[sharp ember]

lack of resources.

[thorn pagoda]

can relate

[sharp ember]

eh when i look at it again, i have lower level than him. maybe that's also why lmao.

[thorn pagoda]

nah. you have a higher combat power

[swift mango]

Higher level has better stat. Even with lower CP they still shot harder. My actual experience fighting whale 30-40 level higher than myself.

That's also the reason you sometime see impossible low CP in campaign. It's because they didn't upgrade their gear but have very high level.

[copper creek]

just dont ever mirror in this game lol

it never works out

the best u can hope for is a 50/50 rng outcome

[tropic summit]

sometimes rocket whifs or aggro funny thing may happen

sometimes noah burst also doesn't activate properly and emilia was reported missing in some user cases

then there is indom sometimes triggering on unlikely units and sometimes it feels like arena is just trying to round the match based on a dice (target priorities are weird sometimes, as if they're pre-arranged, regardless of taunt)

[valid fern]

Do you think this will win? I know biscuit/crown is gonna stall SBS. But I think opponents Noise taunt is gonna proc my SBS which will lead her to target the others after taking her out.

And the other team

[thorn pagoda]

fff. damn

[valid fern]

welp. I beat the biscuit team but the first team lost since Cindy nuke was not enough. I can probably beat it if i replace her with Alice.

[long juniper]

I haven't payed much attention to arena in a while since I've been sitting in the 10-30 range, but Ive started to get attacked a lot recently. Can I get some SP defense recommendations.

[swift mango]

I seriously doubt damage was the big problem when face Moran with Blanc buff lol.

[valid fern]

not enough damage absolutely was the problem.

[swift mango]

Nah Alice would even lose harder lol...

Man you even record the match.

Moran with blanc but would 100% shutting out your Alice.

[valid fern]

sure but it takes ages before they can burst. As long as Alice can take down Moran before that, we good.

[swift mango]

They burst roundly same time as you, their Moran was active around when your Cindy burst. AND that was why Cindy could one shot their team.

Couldn't*

If you could upgrade you team to 2RL speed you would have beaten them.

[worthy knoll]

Why were you not bursting with Noise?

[swift mango]

Yeah she could have won it maybe with Noise buff lol.

I mean Cindy*

Could*

[valid fern]

thats a good point.

ill reposition for next time

also Cindy will be getting her helmet to +5 and overloaded today. maybe that will help

[worthy knoll]

Noah Anis Cindy Noise Rapu should be fine

[valid fern]

I wonder if a minimally invested Red Hood would work here

[worthy knoll]

Burst with her instead of Cindy?

[valid fern]

Yeah

[worthy knoll]

As long you are not on penalty it should work

[hallow trench]

guys some help here pls , should i ahcnge something for this attack ?

roster here

[valid fern]

I just got my Red Hood so she would be 4/4/4 at most and with non upgraded gear and maybe purple lvl 5 doll.

[swift mango]

Red Hood has same problem with Indom Moran as Alice. She won't do jack so long as Moran taunting her and not died.

[worthy knoll]

Oh wait maybe it would fail

I can see her getting stuck on indomed Moran

Blanc died on that vid I forgot she exists

[swift mango]

Just admit that the rank 1 is a better player than you and forget it lol.

[worthy knoll]

Just go with the Noise buffed Cindy

[swift mango]

Team 1, would win.

Team 2, 40% would win.

Team 3, definitely lose.

Maybe swap 1 and 2.

[hallow trench]

and with my roster should i change something ?

it works changing t1 and t2 xD

[swift mango]

I would switch Noise to slot 1 if it were defending team just so I don't provide enemies RL with extra burst Regen by hitting spot 2.

But it should be fine.

Gratz

[crystal niche]

Pvp team ples (just only 1 team, I’m not doing 3 teams rn)

[copper creek]

only because i saw you ask several times

orz one sec let me update my sheets

[gray geyser]

defense team pleasies with many cherries on top?

nikkr roster too big here other img

[swift mango]

Cindy+Rouge+Centi+Biscuit+Anis

Or
Centi+Anis+Biscuit+Rouge+Cindy

If you Rouge keep dying.

[crystal niche]

Okay

[copper creek]

as your box is missing a lot of key/core units,
all teams are pretty cope.

**rookie - def : **
centi/anis/rapunzel (RL)/biscuit/cinderella

**sp - def : **
sbs/laplace/rapunzel (RL)/anis/tia
naga/biscuit/n102/maiden/cinderella
your remaining 5 highest cp units.

**min. invest : **
!! as you are a newer player (lower sync), please focus on core units first before raising niche pvp units

<redacted cube info, as you're way too new for it to be useful for you>

**include in wishlist : **
you are missing key/core units - please include the following units in wishlist.

elysion - poli
missilis - jackal, liter (important for pve)
tetra - noise, blanc, rumani

pray for pilgrims - noah, red hood, scarlet

i do not advise running def teams on attack side :
atk teams depend on enemy def - refer to pinned messages for counters, mechanic info, and other resources.
alternatively, if really necessary, send screenshots of your opponents' three def teams.
ensure that the round1/2/3 buttons are visible so we know team order.

only doing this for you because i saw u ask several times to no response

a lot of pvp veterans will not teambuild for players in this server, so ask in another server in future (e.g. commcord)

[pliant carbon]

Need suggestions for Moran/Blanc. I'm using Redhood/Blanc/Biscuit for their Emilia.

[brittle hill]

I get the idea but I think Rosanna just whiffs here

[fathom rock]

Help I'm getting attacked by the whole server

[pliant carbon]

Yeah, Rosanna kills Scalter/Noir but Moran survives Scarlet's burst and out attritions the team with indom.

[copper creek]

is this sp or rookie?

if this is sp and you are having trouble with this team, maybe try the other 2 teams.
if this is rookie, you almost have the right idea, but maybe not quite like this

[pliant carbon]

SP, I'll show the other two teams.

Team 1 wins soundly. I'd have to remove Biscuit from Team 1 to try and make a comp to beat Team 3.

[copper creek]

im just wondering how on earth your t2 lost

[pliant carbon]

I'll get a video

[copper creek]

if scarlet kills the remaining 4 units and leaves moran

then u have 5 units vs. 1 moran

[pliant carbon]

Anne ends up dying a second before she bursts even with Vigor 7

So a Moran/Blanc/Quiry shell gets left over

[copper creek]

oh

i think i see what's going on

as a general rule of thumb, u dont want to pull jackal off scarlet unless u know what u're doing lol

[pliant carbon]

I'm using it for Team 1, I can try to replace Jackal with Centi in that team and see if Redhood still indoms

[copper creek]

anyway, try
scarlet/x.anne/liter/anis/jackal

calculate deficit before attacking.
do not proceed if penalty. formulae in pinned.

[pliant carbon]

This team works but Team 1 loss due to Redhood dying before they could indom.

[copper creek]

so your p2 died, did your p3 die

[pliant carbon]

No, only P2

[copper creek]

switch pos blanc/viper/biscuit/rh/centi

but lmao invested nero and moran

whoever u're up against is pvp tryhard

[pliant carbon]

Viper died but Biscuit got indom due to it. I'll swap Biscuit with RH, I think RH should survive in P3.

They literally went up 30 core levels in 2 days and got a double boost from the 400 barrier and 420 barrier

I just barely managed to break it past the 400 barrier just to not get CP gapped yesterday

They couldn't beat me until now so 1st place is already secured, I'm just trying to find a 100% counter for the next season

Alright, putting RH in Position 3 worked flawlessly. Ty ty

[final tendon]

Is there some positioning changes I can make to win this? Deficit is at 17.44 so I’m hitting like a 20%ish stat penalty right?

[fast relic]

Ready to potentially throw another OL onto a pvp unit. Who is the best return of of the following:

Noise
Rapunzel
Moran
Biscuit
Noah
Centi

I kinda think it doesn't make any difference but I could be wrong

[final tendon]

noooo this guy is gonna overtake me. our points are so even

Ok I cooked myself, I forgot his privaty just stuns me and I get cleared by jackal

[brittle hill]

I pulled rumani. How much should I do for her S1?

[half grail]

Who’s an alternative to Jackal?

Trying to cook another team for my Def

[copper creek]

nope, there isnt one

[copper creek]

no

[copper creek]

no need

any invest is for cp pad only

[half grail]

Is it worth taking Jackal pass 4/4/4?

[wheat heart]

emilia w mad charge speed works as a sub

[copper creek]

no

[copper creek]

no, the burst gen alone is not the whole point

[wheat heart]

not all comps use her for the damage share though

[half grail]

Alright I’ll just keep my 3-4 teams I’ve got and rotate between them

[copper creek]

no, thats not quite it either

the dmg share can sometimes cause problems actually

refer to the cn/jp crazies who figured out to use maxwell against jackals

[copper creek]

anyway i would suggest dont take too seriously

sp.a is solved game mode already - any pve box with few pvp investment can take on any defence lineup

so if the guy attacking u knows what hes doing or is asking

[half grail]

Nah I like making this guy mad in pvp

[copper creek]

theres quite little u can do about that

[half grail]

He stopped attacking often now

[wheat heart]

if they hid defense teams so you had to waste an attack for recon i think it'd be a lot more fair

[half grail]

Just more inconvenience for him lol

[wheat heart]

i'm working on building a defense i think can hold up, but that was before cindy dropped

[copper creek]

i stopped changing my def teams lol

no need to show my hand and let them learn how to play against funny teams before champion arena releases

but thats just me

[half grail]

I only have 1 guy attack me anyway the others that attacked me before just stopped

Gotta maintain my top 3 and my friend maintaining top 1 we terrorizing our bracket lol

[copper creek]

theres a lot of funny things u can do lol

but ultimately i dont think most ppl have the stomach to invest all the resources that would require

[half grail]

All thanks to you guys I have awesome comps

Honestly been my only content to keep playing Nikke ngl

[final tendon]

With that kind of team would you not hit until you reached within 5% of a deficit or something?

[copper creek]

everything is beatable without penalty (approx 15.4% deficit)

with penalty it makes some things more fun, but im not right person to ask here

[copper creek]

if you wanna have fun try alliance vs. alliance

[final tendon]

Damn so I wasted both my attempts on him

[half grail]

Nah we use to do that before but wasn’t worth

[copper creek]

u dont do it because its worth it

its just for ego

[half grail]

It’s much more toxic when the bracket thinks one person controls 2 accounts in same bracket

Gatekeeping top 3 lol

[final tendon]

Also can I use the campaign deficit calculator for PvP or are they calculated differently

[copper creek]

formulae is the same, but the way it works is a bit different

for the purpose of pvp, as long as u are within 15% u're fine

refer to pinned

wait

oh yea its there

[final tendon]

Word

I lost 6th good try at least

[wheat heart]

i use this @final tendon https://percentagecalculator.net/

put your CP on the left and theirs on the right. if it's below 15 you're good

[copper creek]

magic number is 15.4

[final tendon]

Ok my dumbass was fighting at a 31%ish stat penalty

Maaaaan

[half grail]

Oh I gotta try that calculator

Damn idk how to use it

[wheat heart]

look at their CP and your CP

put them in the box

[glad meteor]

Lower cp / higher cp. sometimes you could have higher cp and put them on deficit

[umbral crown]

🎈

[brittle hill]

I'm going to attack at midnight

[umbral crown]

give that C1 Ein

[brittle hill]

It felt so stupid to waste all that gems on her. Got really lucky with the back to back pulls tho

[umbral crown]

you could have C7 her

[brittle hill]

that could have happened! if I didn't spend on summer rosanna aah

because she's c3

[umbral crown]

yeah, happened to me

but ordinary banner is the hope

[grizzled bone]

munch cooking?

[vapid lake]

Ordinary banner ain't treating me well

[grizzled bone]

max her skills out now

[keen vapor]

I got two maid privatys today so much Elysion as always

[vapid lake]

Better than normal privaty

[keen vapor]

Why you wishlist normal then :pepeh:

[vapid lake]

I have both on wishlist

[keen vapor]

Again, why :pepeh:

You can get dupes of other units instead of OG Privaty

[vapid lake]

Elysion is full of dogwater units and privaty is one of the few good ones, who else am i gonna put on the wishlist

[keen vapor]

OG D for example good wallpapers

[vapid lake]

[keen vapor]

[vapid lake]

This one is better

[keen vapor]

You brick SBS from getting Alice buff

[vapid lake]

Nah my DKW doesn't steal buff

[keen vapor]

Privaty

[vapid lake]

I didn't OL her so not a problem

[keen vapor]

ok fair

[raven plover]

time to use her on pvp

[cosmic furnace]

thank you very much !

[icy orbit]

Hey could I have help building in sp arena? I've got really good units and they're all pretty built i just don't know what to do in the current meta

These are the current teams, I'm just really lost on where I'm going

Here's the defense

[twilit surge]

Can anyone help me out with building a better team?

[unborn arrow]

Now I have Jackal but I dk what to change

[ruby oar]

Can you help me for a 1 team and 3 teams arena. I have litter, crown, alice and maxwell having collection so their CP are higher than others about 5k

[umbral crown]

@keen vapor is your time to work, go go

[raven marsh]

for one team liter, biscuit,alice,maxwell, privaty

[raven marsh]

I suggest u to swap out blanc or centi with jackle

[graceful grotto]

current defense is no longer working

[prisma marlin]

jjust got bodied by this guys Cindi, she soloed by entire team....

[graceful grotto]

any chefs help cook some defense?

[graceful grotto]

your scarlet lost to his cindy? and blanc is not exactly helpful in this stage if you're running noah lol

[prisma marlin]

Decoys had infinite life....

ohh recommended replace for Blanc?

[graceful grotto]

what unit u have?

you might as well burst them down since he's so slow

is your blanc CP > noah ?

Scarlet Blanc Liter Emilia Jackal should work

[prisma marlin]

significantly, she's my highest

[graceful grotto]

then take out noah, they're never gonna burst anyway with that team comp

u have significant cp deficit too

try to match ur CP so you can hit harder with scarlet

just make sure u have enough burst gen (but most likely with jackal alone you should be able to burst way earlier than them)

[prisma marlin]

[graceful grotto]

show ur roaster mate, sort by CP

[real abyss]

def team and possibly 2 attack teams?

[prisma marlin]

Ment to put in one post my bad

[nocturne arrow]

i still dont get an anwser for this.
how do i defeat him?
build new ones or change team?

[graceful grotto]

Scarlet Blanc Liter S.Anis Jackal (check CP deficit)

[sullen matrix]

Help me make team for rookie + sp arena

[prisma marlin]

Scarlet or sbs?

[graceful grotto]

OG scarlet

[graceful grotto]

Noise Cinderella Blanc (Noir/Centi) Jackal

[graceful grotto]

rookie or SPA?

[raven marsh]

crap u beat me to it ;-;

[graceful grotto]

should be sufficient, give it a try

let me know the outcome

[prisma marlin]

!!

[graceful grotto]

[prisma marlin]

I normally get boddied when any deficit…

So why does this work?

[real abyss]

both i guess might as well figure out my best rookie team

[graceful grotto]

technically if your ein can't screenwipe them, then maybe go cinderella and give it a try, the team above are very suscepticle to screen wipe (although noise does increase HP of the team which is troublesome)

[nocturne arrow]

so build Cinderella?
what the formation would be?

[graceful grotto]

high deficit = stats penalty, so your team will hit less

since the opponent don't have much burst gen, you don't have to rush burst with lower CP units, and blanc only works if you burst with her, noah + blanc is just counter productive if running together

liter, s.anis is there to pump scarlet dmg, while blanc will provide good debuffs, all in all is to make sure scarlet is pump enough to nuke the enemy

[graceful grotto]

ur OG team is plenty good, you can have cinderella on the leftmost so she take more dmg and blanc will be able to provide the buff to her more consistently or u can maintain like what u have except move ein out, make sure cindy is well equipped tho otherwise she won't be able to burst them

[prisma marlin]

Man…. I have been so struggling since the reshuffle back in September

[graceful grotto]

the idea for ein is her dmg is consistent over time, but biscuit there will protect s.anis when her hp goes below 50%

so the idea is just to nuke s.anis down before she gets the 50% threshold

[nocturne arrow]

i understand half of what you say
so i dont use ein and change her to cindy?

[prisma marlin]

Thank you kindly!

[graceful grotto]

Biscuit provides protection when a defender (summer anis in this case) HP reached the 50% threshold, which will result in s.anis taking 0 dmg, ein doesn't provide burst dmg, so she can't 51 -> 0 a unit which will allow biscuit passive to proc

The idea is a screen wiper (cinderella, scarlet, alt.quency) that is capable of bursting down a unit >50% to 0 immediately upon using their burst so this way biscuit passive will not proc and s.anis will just die

[nocturne arrow]

so same team with ein change to cindy?

[glad meteor]

Noise noah centi cindy jackal maybe

[nocturne arrow]

dont have noise

[graceful grotto]

things need to consider:
you are feeding jackal with blanc and liter, which will results in more burst gen to the opponent, he's feeding s.anis and privaty to you, so the burst gen is quite close, swapping cindy in instead of ein can result in lower burst

if you can burst earlier with higher burst gen unit, you probably can nuke him down before his noise burst (which increase HP for the team)

[graceful grotto]

Rookie - Scarlet Blanc RH Centi Jackal

[visual brook]

It's been a long time since I came here, but I need to move on. I need new teams for defense. Thanks in advance.

Old teams

[glad meteor]

Maybe switching noise for liter then, but liter will feed

Plan is for cindy to nuke the team during noah 3s invul giving sanis no time to heal.

[graceful grotto]

SPA

1 - Scarlet Blanc Noir Rapunzel Jackal
2 - Cinderella Biscuit S.Anis Liter Noise
3 - Bay RH Laplace Anis Rumani

ATK team is highly based on the team you're attacking

[glad meteor]

If nuke doesn’t kill then your cooked

[nocturne arrow]

okay now im confused lol

lets make it simple
do i need

1. keep upgrade my current team
2. change it and what the formation would be

[glad meteor]

Something like this

[nocturne arrow]

i dont have noise and the 2nd char

[glad meteor]

No noah

?

[nocturne arrow]

yup

[glad meteor]

That’s rough

[nocturne arrow]

i sent my current team and my roaster here

[nocturne arrow]

yeah

[umbral crown]

🎈

[glad meteor]

Can’t reccomened a cook with that roster. Double buffer (Liter + blanc/crown) just feed too much. Would skip for now unless someone can think of a comp.

[grizzled bone]

🎈

[graceful grotto]

help cook pvp def chefs

[graceful grotto]

previous defense, now not working, peeps kept attacking

[visual brook]

Such a difficult case?

[grizzled bone]

not bursting with Biscuit on your SAnis-Moran team?

[graceful grotto]

i originally use Cinderella Biscuis S.Anis Centi Moran, but Biscuit die kinda early so Centi ended up bursting lol, maybe i should swap s.anis and biscuit's position

[grizzled bone]

mmm your current teams could improve their positioning

[grizzled bone]

SP Def

Scarlet-Blanc-Liter-BSoda-Jackal
Moran-SAnis-Biscuit-Emilia-Rumani
Noah-Noise-SBS-Pepper-Centi

[whole spear]

Help DEF team SP and Rookie please
Thankyou!

[grizzled bone]

• if you use 2B, she benefits from units that increase max hp like Noise
• Jackal gets inadequate feed in P4 which is commonly understood as the safe-zone.
  place her in P1 or P5
• Noir will brick SAnis when paired together

[graceful grotto]

thanks mate

[frigid osprey]

can u guys give suggestions for special arena pvp teams (def base) for the current meta?

[real abyss]

me too

[grizzled bone]

SPA Def

Scarlet-Blanc-Liter-BSoda-Jackal
Noah-Noise-SBS-Rapunzel-Noir
Crown-SAnis-Biscuit-RH-Centi

[somber matrix]

world's first 4 unit def team

[whole spear]

thank you bro!

[quick lake]

Generally what teams are able to counter Noah teams 😔

[tawny fulcrum]

I just got Rumani from standard, invest to replace Anis or nah

[fast relic]

In the pvp burst calculator, when two teams are tied at 3RL, how do you determine which will burst first, or is there just an element of RNG at that point

[frigid osprey]

I always use emillia-blanc team to counter noah-sanis etc.

[quick lake]

No emilia, sadge

[frigid osprey]

[quick lake]

Also on the burst calc, if burst gen is eg 100.48, this number assumes no whiffs/pellet misses right?

[little oak]

Why does noir brick sanis

[visual brook]

What's the use of Little Red Hood in the third team if Pepper is ahead?

[raven plover]

noir gives ammo

[visual brook]

And won't Bay die prematurely?

[grizzled bone]

SPA Def

SBS-Blanc-RH-Emilia-Noir
Noah-Noise-SAnis-Biscuit-Centi
Scarlet-BSoda-Rapunzel-Poli-Jackal

[visual brook]

You don't understand, it's a tactic. I have Noise and Noir dying, and Rapunzel resurrects Noise

[raven plover]

[visual brook]

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-gif-27108854

I just got Moran. If I improve it now, what will the third team look like?

[jovial steppe]

Can anybody help me with this one?

[grizzled bone]

SPA Def

Noise-Bay-Alice-Rapunzel-Noir
Blanc-SAnis-RH-Biscuit-Rumani
Crown-Scarlet-Liter-Centi-Jackal

[real abyss]

ty

[visual brook]

And what will the teams look like in the end?

[grizzled bone]

lets cross that bridge when we get to it

[visual brook]

Well

[grizzled bone]

SPA Def

Bay-Noise-Kilo-Rapunzel-Centi
Moran-SAnis-Biscuit-RH-Emilia
Noah-Scarlet-Liter-Naga-Jackal

[visual brook]

Bruh

Okay, I'll figure something out.

[grizzled bone]

did you want faster teams?

[visual brook]

That's right

[grizzled bone]

well there's a nicer way to ask

but you'll figure it out, right?

[visual brook]

Because then I will lose both strength and speed. I already have a 20%

[visual brook]

The main problem with 2b is that it lacks support. As you said earlier, I sacrifice quality in trying to balance the work of all three teams. I am ready to sacrifice one team so that the rest will work 100%.%

I should have written about this earlier, sorry

[jovial steppe]

Any Idea for the Attacker?

[grizzled bone]

SPA Def

Noah-Noise-2B-Rapunzel-Noir
Blanc-SBS-Liter-Centi-Jackal
Bay-SAnis-RH-Pepper-Emilia

[visual brook]

I will ask only 2 questions that will put an end to my business:

1. What is better for me - to balance all three teams, but each will have its drawbacks, or to create 2 teams with maximum efficiency?
2. What kind of support do I lack besides Moran?

[grizzled bone]

attack teams should be tailored to opponents defense but you can ask for help against people with screenshots of their team

For attack, you can make 2 attack teams and you can skip 1 enemy team by putting 1 unit on P5. You can view the links here for counters in Rookie and Special Arena (SP) (other useful stuff at pins):

Prydwen:

• Meta units - https://tinyurl.com/4ffcu6sx
• Special Arena (SP) - https://tinyurl.com/ycxnsjrv

nikke.gg:

• Rookie Arena - https://tinyurl.com/43u6a2z4
• Special Arena (SP) - https://tinyurl.com/2p8222fy

Keripo's Video and Matrix:

• Countering the Meta - https://tinyurl.com/eydrpwh7
• Keripo's PvP Matrix - http://tinyurl.com/keripo-nikke-pvp-test-matrix

From 瑟瑟出品's Youtube Channel:

• Rookie Arena Videos (CN) - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLm7TApldE9QBb5aaQizIrIX0PMmTOZFJo
• Special Arena (SP) Videos (CN) - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLm7TApldE9QBCIBJXz6gxKHcf54BEuT3Z
• Special Arena (SP) Videos (English) - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLm7TApldE9QAqccQN3wgMufgcxWC1D26f

[visual brook]

I apologize for asking a lot of questions.

[grizzled bone]

1. what do you mean by maximum efficiency?
   you're likely to always have a 3rd team that's lacking a little.
   It's one of the reasons that some people use CP gap teams
   Just focus on building units that have good utility for PvP and burst-gen
2. X.Anne, Rumani

[visual brook]

I use this table of attacking teams

[visual brook]

Tnx

[fading heath]

Hello guys, does anyone know how long Emilia's total charge time is when she is on burst? If possible, I like to know the total charge time for non 21% CS and 21% CS

[half grail]

Worth to relevel 2b for PvP?

I never got to use her at all maybe helps with the team diversity for SP Arena

[visual brook]

If not Quency, Scarlet, Cinderella, Maid Private or any other strong nuke damage dealers, then it’s worth leveling up

[half grail]

Also can Noir be use in place of Drake and Rumani in place of Centi?

[visual brook]

I had too much invested in it to give it up.

[half grail]

I’m thinking of resetting some characters and leveling up 2B and Ein, looking at Keripos chart wanted to try those teams

[visual brook]

of course

[half grail]

Ohh perfect nice I was cooking alternatives if Centi and Drake is used elsewhere

I know I should level Ein too I know she’s also good in PvP/PvE just haven’t had the time yet

[visual brook]

Don't repeat my mistakes, I simply had no alternative

[half grail]

What mistake?

[visual brook]

I upgraded all the supports that interact with HP for the sake of a 2B strength creep, this is my curse.

[half grail]

Oh I’m planning to just level her up I have the supports for her for PvP it’s pretty good win ratio from Keripos chart

Frees up more teams I can try make too

[visual brook]

I even thought about giving Mast an overload and giving him 10/7/10

[fading heath]

I think 2B needs Mast to actually nuke pretty hard

[gaunt viper]

may I have some advice on how to best beat these squad compositions? any help is appreciated

[visual brook]

I don't know how long I can hold out

[visual brook]

Easy to defend against 2b (Rozana, Cookie, Noise, Blanc, etc.)

[fading heath]

Oh yeah 2B is very easy to counter

[visual brook]

Special attention to Rosanna, in which you don’t need to invest much

[fading heath]

I can`t say whether I would recommend building 2B or not lol since I don't her anymore

But my comment about 2B for her nuke is that she does hit hard with Mast

[jovial steppe]

Alr thanks

[fading heath]

Your teams should be fine based on the screenshots: Team 2 and 3 should win. You can swap and put your Team 2 into your Team 1 if you like to beat their Team 1 instead.

[gaunt viper]

gotcha, I've had trouble against this person before so I wasn't sure if i was capable of beating them with what I had set up. wasn't exactly sure how good Cinderella is in PVP

[visual brook]

Using Cinderella in pvp is like playing Russian roulette, as well as about Sakura

The result is different every time

[fading heath]

Have you used those teams to fight him before? Just asking since it looked like you set the teams up kinda perfectly and wasn't sure if they actually worked lol

[elder cosmos]

Guys, can anyone help me build 2 teams for pvp?

I don't think i have enough for 3, that's why

[visual brook]

Make the settings horizontal mode

[gaunt viper]

I've used the teams to fight him before but I didn't know if Cinderella would throw a wrench in the works. that and squad 3 comes down to RNG for me cause sometimes Blanc won't get burst off to let RH do her thing and they all end up dying.

[gaunt viper]

gotcha, well that's a bit worrisome but hopefully things work out 😅. she's not in my defense SP arena squads but idk if I should put her in when you say it like that

[real abyss]

shes still bugged?

[fading heath]

Ya

[elder cosmos]

why

it's hard to deal with horizontal mode outside of fights

[visual brook]

Moran - Biscuit - Alice - MPrivaty - Noir
Blanc - SBS - Rapunzel - Anis - Jackal

|| ||
My nerve cells

https://tenor.com/view/im-out-we-out-peace-out-disappear-gif-15464202

[brazen salmon]

Need help on SP arena def team

[woven acorn]

can someone help me build def for sp arena?

[visual brook]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/417250309107351565/1047131530008469514/b46-unscreen.gif

[half grail]

What’s that Cp Calcultor for pvp I seen earlier someone posted on here but I can’t find it through pins

[bronze comet]

Does anyone know team comps I can run with my current Nikkes?

[visual brook]

Noah - Quency - Liter - Anis - Jackal
Blanc - SBS - Centy - Rouge - Noir
Nikke with high CP

[visual brook]

Do you mean the data transfer rate calculator?

[half grail]

It had the option to have the opponent cp and your own

To see the deficit

[visual brook]

???

[half grail]

Nah that wasn’t the calculator I saw

I’ll go try scroll up as far and try find the person that posted on here

[visual brook]

@half grail

[half grail]

Yee ty

[visual brook]

Cinderella - Rouge - Blanc - Centi - Noir
Noah - Moran - SAnis - Anis - Noise
Nikke with high CP

[bronze comet]

Anyone I can replace Jackal with?

[elder cosmos]

bro most stuff is unreadable on my phone on horizontal mode

very appreciate the help though

[visual brook]

#pvp-arena message

[vague delta]

Hello, I've been struggling in SP arena a bit, these are my squads, what could I change? Or maybe I should rework then entirely, also what team would be best vs Noah, I always lose against teams with her

I'm missing these nikkes, have everyone else

[lunar pawn]

Emilia teams are always the answer vs noah comps

[vague delta]

So Emilia should be the one using burst?

[visual brook]

Emilia teams and Blanc + SAnis/RH/Alice teams

[lunar pawn]

Something like blanc emilia RH biscuit + clip RL works wonders

[vague delta]

I see, thank you

Also how good is Cinderella for arena? And what comps are good with her?

[visual brook]

https://nikke.gg/pvp-review-cinderella/

[vague delta]

Oh, thank you

[glacial lion]

Tks

Now i know why i lose

[raven plover]

[lunar pawn]

Don't think it's worth using cindy in pvp rn

[visual brook]

#pvp-arena message

[visual brook]

@half grail Can you please help me, I got confused in my thoughts, in the end I forgot everything.

[half grail]

Huh?

[visual brook]

Huh?

[half grail]

You confused me with the ping

[rose laurel]

I wouldn't change much except swap Emilia and Makima.

The Scarlet team is meant to be fast burst 2RL (or near it). Forces an equally fast or Noah counter. Makima slows it down for no good reason (that team is meant to burst fast and win).

The Sanis team with Makima and Moran will be a double taunt invul team. Double taunt counters other Sanis teams. Job Here is to hold out and if someone dies, Rapun revives. A fast burst team can counter this, but if they use fast burst here, it means your scarlet team will win. So its like a trade off? Put Makima P1, Moran P5.

Last team 2B seems to be your high CP team so just put whoever is highest CP and pray no whales in your bracket?

[elder cosmos]

@visual brook yeah i saw that, i still appreciate the help nevertheless

[visual brook]

Tnx

https://tenor.com/view/pain-sad-anime-loli-gif-20376542

[vague delta]

Thank you for detailed answer! Will make the changesss

[elder cosmos]

i just noticed, I don't even have Centi

[rose laurel]

Oh wait, you have Noise? I'd prob ditch Makima for Noise in Sanis team, much better burst gen and taunt and heals.

[wheat heart]

any idea how to improve these teams? they aren't holding at all. i have most nikkes except makima/power.

[vague delta]

I do, and they gave us synchro slots so I can definitely put her in my team :3

[visual brook]

Changed @elder cosmos

[valid fern]

which cube is best for Cinderella here? Vigor?

[raven plover]

either vigor or temper yea

[rose laurel]

Emilia nad Scalter in the same team seem a bit redundant, if you are bursting with Emilia to win then scalter isn't efficient for anything other than CP padding (her burst gen is no good). I would swap Emilia out for a burst gen or Scalter buffer and use Scalter as main burst in the first team. Noise and Noah shouldn't have issues keep scalter alive.

Scarlet fast burst team seems ok, but RUmani's tuant is a little wasted since a fast burst team technically shouldn't need taunts, you can swap Rumani and Centi to retain fast burst, while making your Sanis team super hardy (double tank taunts moran rumani w/ biscuit)

[raven plover]

temper if they block cindy burst you can pray cindy tanks like a champ and clean them

still dies to sanis

[wheat heart]

those are very helpful hints! thank you for the analysis!

[elder mesa]

These 5nikke also I use the most of the time

Any recommendations?

[wheat heart]

FYI the scalter was there for CP padding. the goal was to have a noah team that could still counter an emilia team since they always just use the blanc/emilia/RH team to beat any noah team i cook up

[vague delta]

Sorry for pinging again, but do these teams look good?

Also I've seen people say that it's not worth to use Viper with treasure in arena, but since her power is WAY higher than my other nikkes I wanted to fit her it, is it a good idea?

[rose laurel]

there's no such thing as an invincible 3 sets of teams after all, so if your bracket has alto of people using a certain combo, you can build for it, OR, set that team to be sacrificial. Defence is generally tough because you have to make 3 "irritating enough" teams, vs the 2 strong teams any attacker needs.

Personally I find the third "high CP" team very important as well because a high CP team with at least 20% more CP than the "bracket average" will usually force people to give up that match, OR waste their high CP characters on it. You can keep Emilia on your first team too, and then use Scalter on your high CP team.

[elder mesa]

Agree,since Emilia can just nuke before being knocked out

[wheat heart]

unfortunately they are the same synchro as me and as soon as i try to outlevel them they just match it, so very hard to do high CP team that can get to 15% gap

[rose laurel]

only for the purpose of high CP team imo, if she can contribute alot. For me, the "high CP" team I have is absolutely hopeless in PVP too, but its at 100k CP while the rest of my normal and oppoennts teams are around 85k. My high CP team has stuff like Scalter, Cindy, Mari, RH, Laplace haha......(yes they sound useless together in a team) 🤣

[visual brook]

Noise/Moran and Rapunzel/Biscuit swap places

[vague delta]

Well I think this teams isn't doing the best for me, but I can't think of any replacement, I'll see after the changes thoughh, and I noticed my Pepper had very low CP, so maybe now it'll be better

[rose laurel]

👆 what Endi said too

[vague delta]

Okayyy will change, thankss

[rose laurel]

hmmm its a bit hard cross referencing but you seem to have RH right? RH is generally very built by everyone), she's got an amazing B1 buff and good burst gen, use her.

[visual brook]

In PVP, being in the first place is more expensive than staying between 11 and 30

[vague delta]

I do have her well built, but wasn't sure who to replace with her, any suggestions?

[tardy anvil]

Hi, i'd like an SP arena defense team. This be my second account

[rose laurel]

Hmm, if your pepper is not built at all i'll change Pepper out. If pepper CP and VIper not too far off, then I rather change Viper out. Let blanc B2. If your 2B is not that built, you can consider takign 2B out also, no need to force her in - use RH to B1 and B3, she's damn good

If you "really" like to PVP, you can try Bay B2 as well (mini Noah), but.....I wouldn't waste resources unless you're hardcore pvp.

[vague delta]

Honestly 2B is not built too well, I can try using RH for B1 and B3, thank you for help

[wheat heart]

do you think built Bay can tank Emilia burst?

[frigid jungle]

can anyone help with my sp team for defense

[rose laurel]

Very subjective - as with all attackers, dolls, cubes, OL levels and rerolls matter alot. Emilia is hard to predict because she doesn't see much use in PVE (not for me at least), so only those who rely on her alot in PVP will deck her out.

[wheat heart]

ah i just looked it up. she doesn't stop emilia

"2B and Emilia's nuke's bypass Bay's effects"

she only stops scarlet and that's about it

[rose laurel]

Yeah, just save resources. Not worth it if you're already in top 10 or 20.

[vague delta]

Okay I see I'm getting killed with basic attacks pre-burst, damn whales, can't compete with pure combat power

[velvet smelt]

can someone help me build PvP Teams ? Never rly did PvP so dont have any idea.

[rose laurel]

Recommend to read the pins, guides and sample teams on Nikke.gg/Prydwen/various google sites first, form your teams and ask for improvements here. You can also see the suggestions given in the earlier parts of this chat - there's people giving recommendations almost everyday

[raven plover]

she alone no, with moran yes

[visual brook]

Do you have any ideas to improve my cameras? @rose laurel

[rose laurel]

hmmm for your first team....who's getting's Jackal's dmg share? I doubt 2B starts off with the highest atk....so prob Noir and.....a toss up between the other tanks....if you can be sure Jackal's buff is on 2B at least, then ideally Jackal and the 2 dmg shares should at least be in P1 and P5 minimum, the last one...i usu put P2 but depends on your combo less important. Tia is not commonly used I'd say.

[rose laurel]

For team 2, if you put Anis in P5, does she ofetn steal Blanc's buff from Emilia? Most ppl won't build Anis strong enough, and she may be lowest HP when blanc buffs the invul, meaning Emi doesn't get it.

[visual brook]

In my second team, Emilia always gets a buff from blanc

[rose laurel]

if she gets it then no issue~~

I'm not good with 2B teams so i guess i cannot say much for teams 1, but I'd personally rather build around Alice or SBS as the dps (since both are heavily CP invested for PVE as well)

Mari, Bay all make good choices for B2 as well, as opposed to Centi bursting

SO maybe Tia out, move Centi to P5, then 2B/Noir you can play around with combos involving SBS/Alice + Mari/Bay

[grizzled bone]

[visual brook]

I had plans to provide Marie with all the necessary resources, but I gave everything to Cinderella.

[rose laurel]

🫡 This is the way

[quasi prism]

[mighty haven]

Tldr: so after update this Thursday, Cindy's burst permanently be 2x what it is now?

[rose laurel]

if you've been bursting with full charge already then its no change.

[raven plover]

no change yea

[quasi prism]

Sick

[agile grove]

Can I get some SP ATK and DEF cooks?

Finally lost my spot in SP since the exchange option was introduced, and it’s about time for new teams anyways.

[quasi prism]

I was about to post that

[agile grove]

This is what I’m fighting, for reference

[quasi prism]

Glad they aren't nerfing her.

Was able to beat chap 31 because of her.

[visual brook]

I just got Moran recently. I miss Anna, Quiri and Rumani for a complete collection of PVP support

[quasi prism]

I hope her fix with her auto's makes her better in pvp as well.

[copper creek]

wait what?

[quasi prism]

@copper creek

[copper creek]

oh essentially no difference

[quasi prism]

Yeah

[mighty haven]

Tldr, bug patched out, flat damage increase of 17% instead of 23~%

[copper creek]

yeah with the new values there's basically 0 difference in effect

[livid quarry]

Hello guys, I've been wanting to revamp my pvp teams, and I have gazillion places in my synchro device, why should I do for my teams ?

if you need more info on my nikkes I am more than happy to provide the info you need

I've been quite out of the loop lately, just doing my dailies and raids, but I want to get more invested in the game I'm tired of being stuck

[agile grove]

dang the kitchen is dead today