pvp-arena

[potent ermine]

it 50 50 on whether I win or lose

[final tendon]

i can get my quantum cube to 7 but my bastion cube would stay at 4 i think. worth or nah?

it's currently just at 3

[grizzled bone]

resil and bastion cubes should be your priority cubes in general. Most units benefit the most from those 2 cubes

[copper creek]

Absolutely not worth

and that is coming from me

[final tendon]

ok ty ty

also didnt realize bastion took prio over resilience oops

[copper creek]

eh, does it ?

depends on what u like to run - either way, i would get those to 7 first before taking quantum to 7 for sure

[final tendon]

idk that's just what the guide here said but i def got value from resilience

[copper creek]

no comment i prioritised resil

[final tendon]

damn all the union chips i saved are gone now

centi is on another team but wondering what sanis team i can make #pvp-arena message

[umbral crown]

burst gen from liter is lower than red hood for a bit so your indom would last longer

🎈

[final tendon]

also does this positioning make sense for defense or should i just keep scarlet on 1 and jackal 5

[umbral crown]

https://tenor.com/view/uhhhhh-gif-7739071221619055385

[potent ermine]

Save it

[umbral crown]

move team 3 to fight team 1

[potent ermine]

[umbral crown]

also swap modernia and S.Anis positions

[broken raven]

rosy is feeling the zixk

[broken raven]

[potent ermine]

Rosy is replacing zixk for me

[final tendon]

[potent ermine]

about to hit dm every day

[umbral crown]

kinda

[umbral crown]

[potent ermine]

Good enough?

Hey man

[umbral crown]

auto and hope for the best

[potent ermine]

I tried to learn burst gen, I bust and I still fail

[broken raven]

you also need to learn what each thing does...

[umbral crown]

take some time to read nikkes skills

[potent ermine]

I don't wanna read

No noad no scarlet no reading

[umbral crown]

[grizzled bone]

resil and bastion are priority for most content of the game, if you wanted to focus on pvp then you could invest in other cubes 🤷

[broken raven]

you want your jackal links to get hit, that's how you win with jackal.

[potent ermine]

poor guys

grabbed him from the heels

[umbral crown]

[potent ermine]

rosy where you even come from

I never seen you

[final tendon]

so switch to that positioning?

[broken raven]

do you have anything better than alice?

like crown is slowing down your team enough, alice is going to drag it even harder

[final tendon]

box is up here but nothing that compares in power #pvp-arena message

[umbral crown]

from a world where pve does not exist

[broken raven]

treasured laplace?

[final tendon]

no but i can work on it, i have a bunch of doll exp

i have to get the sr doll to 15 right?

[broken raven]

yes

alice makes your team 4RL

[final tendon]

ive been keeping my campaign team's doll at sr 5

[broken raven]

changing it to treasured laplace or any clip shotgun make it 3RL

[final tendon]

so maybe i can invest more into lappy

it says 3 though

i also dont have enough exp to ol lappy yet either

[broken raven]

oh i entered s.anis

need to sleep...

[final tendon]

oh i had all this leveled gear on quency

i could do it nvm

[broken raven]

no rumani?

[final tendon]

nope didnt pull or get from scamlist

[broken raven]

keep it on quency

if you use her more

but if you are benching her anyways you can

[final tendon]

yeah i use quency a bit more day to day

[broken raven]

scarlet-crown-anis-liter-jackal

that team is losing to noah anyways might as well give it more nuke

[final tendon]

i drop from 270k to 250k but that makes sense

[broken raven]

if you want the padding on cp then scarlet-alice-crown-anis-jackal

[final tendon]

can i make an sanis team or just keep my bad auto one? lmao

[broken raven]

make s.anis team

that padding look shit you're never bursting and prob not killing opponent before burst

[final tendon]

yeah im def not i've seen it play out

[broken raven]

only issue is you don't have anymore clip RL and using any more clip shotgun is going to be a jackal magnet

[final tendon]

i could do this

but then i lose noir from my team 2 actually hmm

[broken raven]

no, don't use clip shotgun

[umbral crown]

[broken raven]

and your moran is not invested so she's not going to help

[fast relic]

Noir nerfs SAnis

[final tendon]

i was copying hhoo's

[glad meteor]

[fast relic]

Can't be same team

[final tendon]

oh that's what you were talking about

[broken raven]

yeah

i look at her as a generic clip shotgun

and forgot she give amo during burst

but either way, that team is slow af without someone like emilia + rumani to boost it up

[fast relic]

This is what I leave on defense for Anis

[broken raven]

moran is not going to save anyone from any form of nuke

like scarlet is going to nuke the board and run laps around moran before moran b1

[fast relic]

We're also a server that started after crown banner

So Scarlet isn't everywhere

[umbral crown]

unless some people pulled her

[broken raven]

be it maiden, m.privaty

[fast relic]

And teams get pretty weird

[broken raven]

like... any nuke

eins, a recent one

or even cindy

[fast relic]

Yeah Cindy will probably be the one that people build

[broken raven]

prob your best bet with your roster

though you can prob do tia-noise-s.anis-biscuit-rapu cause you're already this slow might as well get the tia shield

[final tendon]

well i know what i can work on now

[fast relic]

That cannibalizes my other team (which may suck, but has gotten me some defense wins so far)

[broken raven]

your team is fine with noah there

[fast relic]

Moran over noise is probably fine

[woven acorn]

hmm , will i win this team?

[final tendon]

150k is a lil sad might just stick with this terrible auto until i have more resources

[final tendon]

idk if noah screws you

[fast relic]

Does noise P2 not cause issues with giving additional burst to the other team? Or is that just accepting being slow and owning it

[broken raven]

accept it being slow and owning it

and actually i've had some difficulty bursting down a tia-noise before cause of how much hp+shield padding it gaves the entire team

but that guy ran tia-noise-s.anis-centi

so its a tseudo noah against 1hit wonder at 3RL speed with delayed damage output if you squint hard enough

[fast relic]

Lol

So that leaves me here

Which is a nice boost on my padding team

And nothing too awful on CP for the real teams

[broken raven]

You might want to check team 2 burst speed

Also defender always p1

[fast relic]

4/5 of team 2 are defenders

[broken raven]

I mean blanc

[fast relic]

Does that matter without biscuit?

[broken raven]

Your privaty is going to die

[fast relic]

My thinking there is that even if p1 dies I can still burst

[broken raven]

It's better if Blanc dies first than privaty dies

[fast relic]

If Blanc dies there's no burst

[broken raven]

That team is not going to burst anyways

It's like 8rl

[woven acorn]

i always lose to this team, how to counter?

[broken raven]

Also liter is going to die right after privaty drop like a hot cake

So you are still not going to burst

[fast relic]

Yeah yeah yeah

[broken raven]

T2 keep Cindy away from taunters

Noah-moran-cindy if you can

Cause if Noah taunts RL to her you are donating burst gen to opponent rl

[broken raven]

Laplace not treasured? Also you are feeding the jackal

Do you have biscuit and centi?

[woven acorn]

Laplace treasured , i have centi

[broken raven]

What other b1 you have, no jackal?

[woven acorn]

oh i just got her 1 min ago from free gacha

so yea i have her

[broken raven]

Lol put gear on her and get her CP high enough

[woven acorn]

and then? replace liter?

[broken raven]

Yep liter feeds jackal

No biscuit right?

[woven acorn]

no

[nimble phoenix]

Is there anything you can do against biscuit in Arena? As soon as i face one i just lose

[broken raven]

Try Emilia Blanc Laplace - centi (might make your team too fast) -jackal

If centi makes your team too fast put back liter

[raven plover]

bro cindy did 1 big ass dmg to noah... under noah shield wtf

[broken raven]

Yeah Cindy bugged

You are not the only one seeing it

[raven plover]

time to use it

[broken raven]

I would p4 Cindy and p5 jackal

[raven plover]

its ok cindy positioning also bugged cus decoy

[vapid lake]

wait how cindy kill people under noah shield wtf

[woven acorn]

so . blanc/emi/laplace/jackal/noir ?

[broken raven]

Fast nuke

[raven plover]

ye idk

[vapid lake]

thats like the 4th bug this unit has

[broken raven]

Noir feeds jackal harder than liter

[woven acorn]

oh , dam

[broken raven]

Do you have noise

[woven acorn]

yes

[nimble phoenix]

What would qualify as such? I got the feeling im just screwed then😆

[broken raven]

Then noise would be perfect

[woven acorn]

ok

[fast relic]

That team is 3RL with either Moran or Noise

[broken raven]

So Emilia -noise - Blanc - Laplace - jackal

Cause noise will taunt and you still want enemy to hit Emilia when she taunts

[broken raven]

3rl is good just me eyeballing it look a bit slow

[mighty haven]

[broken raven]

Something 2rl or 2.5rl with 1-2 buffer and a aoe b3

Scarlet - liter - centi - anis - jackal would prob be the best case for early game

If you have fancier stuff like RH or x.anne it's better

[nimble phoenix]

Thats my Problem. My best B3 Aoe is probably Rei

[broken raven]

Rei would still be fine

Really depend on enemy comp

Are they running biscuit b2 or something like Blanc/Noah b2

[nimble phoenix]

Most of them biscuit b2 and i see a lot of off burst Rapunzels in there. Dunno why could be a coincidence. PvP team building aint my strong suit i guess.

Its a Server that started in Summer event. Like 80% have Sanis and i dont

[broken raven]

That's a heal comp

It's super annoying to deal with

[mighty haven]

Biscuit counter generally is 2/2.5 even 3 RL nuke, just depends on what the other team has

2-2.5 RL is expensive to build for defence, attack is fine

[nimble phoenix]

Dunno all the lingo with Rl you do mean Rocket launchers?

[broken raven]

Yes

It's how many Rl shot it takes to fill burst gauge

[mighty haven]

RL shot burst gen i.e 2RL means in time it takes for full burst gauge is 2 rockets launched

[broken raven]

Like the only good answer for biscuit s.Anis heal comp is jackal scarlet

[nimble phoenix]

Ye well aint no scarlet here.

[mighty haven]

Blanc/Nuker (Scarlet/Ein/Cindy)/B1 buffer (Liter/RH)/burst battery (Emi/Centi/Anis)/Jackal

[nimble phoenix]

Jackal i have. I really lack good b3s for PvP.

[mighty haven]

Grab Cindy and build her

[broken raven]

Eins would do a little better...

Cindy it's kill or be killed

[nimble phoenix]

Have that. Almost done building.

[mighty haven]

Cindy oddly enough works v. well with Biscuit, expecting to see teams built of Blanc/Cindy/RH/Biscuit/Jackal tbf

[nimble phoenix]

Doing that too. But need mpre skill books. Atm Ein is only 4/4/4

[broken raven]

It's going to be rough either way

[mighty haven]

Esp with no SAnis, forms the backbone of 1 team

[broken raven]

Yeah

You might be able to get away using SBS though

If your SBS burst hard enough

[mighty haven]

SBS or MPriv

both are same RL gen, not clip fast though

[broken raven]

Well, Cindy and eins is worse

[nimble phoenix]

My Cindy is 10/7/9 atm 2 pieces are basically done with overload. I piece is overloaded but needs improvement(Though all of that oprimized for PvE) and the stupid helmet wont drop.

[broken raven]

So...

[mighty haven]

Ein can act in place of Scarlet, Cindy you need Blanc/Jackal to build gauge

Both same really

[nimble phoenix]

Jackal i have.

[broken raven]

Try it out on rookie

Wouldn't matter if it fails

But do take note the fight process how you win or lose instead of skip it

[nimble phoenix]

Don't understand where i do have to position Jackal though tbh.

[broken raven]

Studying and understanding why teams fail is an important learning process for pvp

Jackal you generally put p5

[mighty haven]

P1/P5 generally, if Scarlet it's Scar P1/Jackal P5

You may come up against people who put Jackal in P3, to attract rockets/SG

Learning curve, takes time

[nimble phoenix]

Id screen my roster right now but i only have the pc client and im too lazy to get out of bed

You guys would rather go Centi or Blanc for B2?

[broken raven]

Blanc

She amp damage and indom the most damaged unit

Centi... Does nothing

[mighty haven]

Centi you have for burst gen

[nimble phoenix]

Oh true..i was just thinking how id optimize burst Gen.

Since 3 Rl is kinda rough on my end

[broken raven]

Clip RLS are mostly used for their burst gen and not their actual burst

[nimble phoenix]

Could i go like Jackal, Blanc, Centi, Ein and Cindy then?

And yes i also dont have RH

[broken raven]

Why you put ein and Cindy on the same team

It's either or

[mighty haven]

More like Blanc/Ein/Liter/Centi/Jackal, no Cindy

Or you go Blanc/Centi/Liter/Cindy/Jackal

[broken raven]

Cindy probably better than eins due to the LVL of investment

[nimble phoenix]

Atm yes. Want to build Ein for Electric team anyways. Soon enough...

My Liter is 10/4/10 though no overload and only blue doll because why Not. Feel like Liter always just kneels over in pvp

But as you guys said i just dont understand why yet.

Hence i try to understand it and make it better.

[mighty haven]

Liter is there to buff damage for your nuker, because sometimes Jackal link + Blanc Indom won't be enough to tip over the other team after the nuke drops

Same goes for if you use RH's B1, it's there to boost the damage of the nuke

[nimble phoenix]

God i wish id have a RH. Its getting really annoying to not have it. Now i started runnning into things that can only be damaged by Iron units in campaign too.

[mighty haven]

Ch 26? pray you're good with your Maxwell shots

[nimble phoenix]

I really tried but they spawn in a square formation and i miss at least one. Was actually thinking to try Smolwhite for it since i got one now via Anni. Dunno if its a good Idea,but doesnt hurt to try.

[mighty haven]

Can't hurt, otherwise just brute force your stages

[nimble phoenix]

Theres also a second wave of those and my Maxwells burst is not up by them.

[nimble phoenix]

Tbf i was chilling till those mobs started appearing and played on quite some deficit.

[grizzled bone]

Rookie Def

Moran-BSoda/SAnis-RH-Noir-Jackal

SPA Def

Noah-Noise-Cindy-Rapunzel-Centi
Scarlet-SBS-Liter-XAnne-Jackal
Blanc-SAnis-RH-Biscuit-Anis

replace SAnis with more burst gen

Rookie Def

Noah/Blanc-SAnis-RH-Biscuit-Centi

SPA Def

Blanc-SAnis-RH-Biscuit-Centi-
Noah-Alice-Liter-Rapunzel-Noir
Leftovers

SPA Def

Emilia-Blanc-RH-Noir-Rumani
Noah-Noise-SBS-Rapunzel-Biscuit
Jackal-Scarlet-SAnis-Poli-Anis

you look like a returning player based off your roster
Keep in mind it is unlikely you will catch up to your bracket

SPA Def

Blanc-SBS-RH-Biscuit-Noir
Nero-Noise-Cindy-Rapunzel-Centi
Crown-SAnis-A2-Pepper-Jackal

Rookie Def

Jackal-Scarlet-Noah-RH-Centi

with what? you only have 17 units in synchro, may as well auto n hope for the best

SPA Def

Bay-Scarlet-MPriv-Poli-Jackal
Blanc-SAnis-RH-Biscuit-BSoda
Noah-Noise-Cindy-Pepper-Centi

I recommend putting Anis in your synchro

not to discourage you but if you haven't played in a year it's unlikely you will catch up to your bracket

Rookie Def

Noah-Scarlet-Liter-Biscuit-Jackal

SPA Def

Scarlet-BSoda-Liter-Viper-Jackal
Noah-Alice-Maiden-Rapunzel-Noir
Blanc-Privaty-DKW-Biscuit-Anis

put anis in your synchro

[civic cipher]

I need help special arena 😦

Thank you

@grizzled bone

[marble lagoon]

help me

[grizzled bone]

SPA Def

Noah-Noise-Ein/Privaty-Rapunzel-Centi
Moran-SAnis-Biscuit-BSoda-Anis
SBS-Blanc-Liter-Noir-Jackal

[graceful grotto]

Which one you're losing?

[marble lagoon]

Hmmm... team 1 and 2

[grizzled bone]

edited. I suggest reading the guides in the pins if you're new and willing to learn pvp

[graceful grotto]

U lost team 1? Team 1 their burst gen is so bad though, did they enter burst?

And u won team 3? Scarlet burst didn't nuke ya?

[civic cipher]

I won team 2. lost to team 1 and 3.

[marble lagoon]

nah,maybe i have lucky in that team

[prime mango]

Thanks brudduh

[graceful grotto]

Team 1 and 3 can be countered by Noah, Team 2 as long as you can screen wipe them you'll win

[grizzled bone]

I mean look at my first message edited to include Rookie and spa def in there

[prime mango]

Small question. For the blanc Sanis team. She stronger than Emilia position 2?

[grizzled bone]

You can swap. I missed Emilia

[prime mango]

Dope. Thanks my guy.

[grizzled bone]

If your Rosanna is built you can replace Liter on T2

[graceful grotto]

I hate having to build pvp CP ngl, I'm currently the lowest CP among the C10s lol

[copper creek]

would not separate scar and jackal unless u know what u're doing

[prime mango]

She is Thank you for the suggestions

[copper creek]

pinging to remind self later

video 4 for bug report

[raven plover]

[gaunt cypress]

So Rosanna burst hit Cinderella decoy instead of hitting Cinderella directly ?

[gaunt cypress]

I also wondered, yesterday when I was testing her I was wondering why her burst were able to hit directly even though noah using her burst.

[raven plover]

[graceful grotto]

Grats but u come real close on t3

[civic cipher]

Should I replace BSoda?

[graceful grotto]

Your T2 burst should be a screen wiper (Cinderella/scarlet/maid priv/alt quency/rei etc.)

[hallow trench]

@grizzled bone now i have more if u can help me with the rooki and special teams 😄

[civic cipher]

I have Cinde/Maid Pri/Quency Escape. who should i choose

[limpid grove]

Doesn't alt quency burst get shut down by biscuit like Scarlet BS?

[grizzled bone]

Ping me again in 8 hours

[graceful grotto]

Cindy probably better option

Depends on ur unit investment

[civic cipher]

thank you my friend

[hallow trench]

perfect 😄

[graceful grotto]

Alt quency burst is screen wiper, so as long as you drop the defender from above 50% to 0% it won't activate biscuit passive

Biscuit is mainly to stop the nuke of ST DPS (RH for example)

[limpid grove]

[raven wraith]

Request Help for Arena and SP Arena PvP Team composition

I was given this account by a friend but I'm new to it and not too familiar with pvp

[granite cypress]

Unfortunately yea i never will especially in basic arena
Everyone there is 700k-900k power
Kinda annoying ngl but thanks for the help though

[fervent bolt]

True I'm quite behind on a lot. I am just looking to put my best foot forward.

[sudden badger]

i need help for SP arena and rookie arena

i have no idea which nikkes are good for pvp

[shut snow]

Ty

[mighty haven]

Kudos to @glacial lion for this mash up

[graceful grotto]

Notable PVP units for your roaster:

B1: Noise, Liter, Moran, Tia
B2: Anis, Bay
B3: Cinderella, Scarlet Black Shadow, Bunny Soda, Ein

Special cases: Alice, Privaty, Quiry

[fast skiff]

noise, moran, ein, cinderella, sbs, alice, privaty, tia , bay, and sr anis
u can do
team 1 bay noise ein cinderella sbs
team 2 moran tia sr anis privaty and alice
team 3 u dont hv tht many pvp characters so go for the ones with the most cp the third team is weakest when ur new ** i wouldnt care much abt ur team 3 since theyre gonna focus it anyways if theyre smart ** so work on ur 2 best teams
rookie u can do: bay noise ein cinderella sbs

bay is the walmart noah but she is very usable

[sudden badger]

thx

[fast skiff]

yea ill show u my pvp teams 1 sec

same concept but my third team is catching up i just needa build rumani

my strat revolves around 2-4 rocket launchers for each team for more burst gen

@sudden badger

if ur serious abt pvp pray u get jackal, noah, and biscuit

[whole shell]

?

the RL designation doesn't work like that

[fast skiff]

[whole shell]

terms like 3RL and such just mean how many RL shots it roughly takes to fill up the burst bar

[fast skiff]

Rocket Launcher (Mag RL) Good energy generation All other Rocket Launchers (some anomalies like Pascal or A2 who generate High burst gen)

its the 3rd best burst gen aside from shotgun clip sg and rocket gen clip im using the 3rd which is mags rl

[whole shell]

a difference of 11.2 vs 18 for clip sg is pretty big isn't it

sure it's the 3rd best but you're not exactly using them for burst gen

that's what batteries are for

[fast skiff]

that is my intention to use them for burst gen i just told u lol

if im rank 1 in my arena clearly it works

[whole shell]

works for your bracket*

[fast skiff]

sure if u wanna build drake pepper noir i highly doubt anyones gonna invest in those

[whole shell]

because I'm going to have to be brutally honest, those teams suck

[fast skiff]

so ur statement that the rocket launcher doesnt work like that is in fact incorrect we have different brackets and im helping a newer player work on the right units that are gonna be usable outside of pvp putting in pepper or drake is detrimental to a new nikke pvp acc when u can just gap players with your higher cp nikkes until u get the chance to build or get the units with better burst gens

for example using a low cp pepper and drake you’ll still get gapped cuz of cp difference if u didnt invest in them like veteran nikke players that had more resources and time to build them up but rn the one that needs hlp is a new pvp player that needs to work on pvp u its that can work for both pvp and outside of pvp

u cannot say the team sucks when it clearly works and i reached rank 1 and maintained it you’re not understanding at all and sticking to traditional ways to help newer nikke players when thats not what they need rn

[broken raven]

Plz do not use team 2

Like rebuild it completely

[whole shell]

i highly doubt anyones gonna invest in those

mentions noir

[fast skiff]

ur also not including the factor of high combat power which is the reason why i added crown and dorothy

[whole shell]

pepper can serve as a scar buffer as well

[fast skiff]

yes one unit nice

[whole shell]

any decent pvp team will be able to beat a gap team under 20% deficit

[fast skiff]

i dont know why u keep wanting to argue u lost ur argument and just want ur get back lmao

[broken raven]

Moran and privaty are both super low burst gen char, and privaty b3 does absolutely nothing except delay the inevitable that your team is going to get wiped

[fast skiff]

calm down

[whole shell]

lost ur argument

uh alright, lmao

[fast skiff]

😂

[whole shell]

I haven't lost anything when what I'm saying is generally right

[fast skiff]

yea " rocket launcher doesnt work like tht " alright bro

[whole shell]

I said "RL designation doesn't work like that"

don't twist my words

[fast skiff]

lmaoo

its good bro im done with ya hv a nice day not tht serious

[whole shell]

I'm specifically referring to the 2RL/2.5RL/3RL and such terms

[broken raven]

And team 3 you are feeding a scarlet jackal with noir jackal and Blanc. If your opponent invest even anything beyond lvl4 on scarlet skill2 you will watch your entire team kill themselves while he nuke you. Literally make a difficulty 8 fight into difficulty 80

[copper creek]

at the end of the day

[copper creek]

people like that are not worth your time and are the reason why we all stopped helping in this server

just dont engage w ppl like that bro, ur time is worth more than that

[whole shell]

...true

[copper creek]

like, zixk, rosy, kara, myself all stopped bothering here

[whole shell]

like seriously, you don't use biscuit for burst gen

you use her for her skills

[fast skiff]

obiviously? lmao

[copper creek]

ultimately if he got c1 im happy for him

i just look forward to seeing him in our sp.a or ca bracket

[fast skiff]

listen if it works dont fix it

[copper creek]

thats all it is, nothing personal

[fast skiff]

ur taking it personal big bro 😂

[copper creek]

yea i agree, if it works dont fix it, doesnt make him wrong

[fast skiff]

" i look forward to seeing him in my bracket "

[copper creek]

u're not worth my time lol

[civic cipher]

Plz help me :((

[copper creek]

@whole shell drop me a dm btw, got something for u

[civic cipher]

@broken raven

[copper creek]

@broken raven u as well

[broken raven]

Lol why are you trying to correct anyone who is always right refuse to listen for advice and build ass-shit team wondering why they are ass shit

[copper creek]

ultimately all i'll say is that theres a reason why zixk, myself, and friends have stopped helping publicly

[copper creek]

i didnt even bother trying, did i lol

[whole shell]

for rookie you can use Noise/Bay/SBS/Anis/Tia

[copper creek]

ultimately i know whos worth my time and what kind of animal isnt

[broken raven]

[whole shell]

oh sure

[fast skiff]

yea rank 1 is azz 😂

yall just keep adding the drama im not even talking anymore sounds like u guys hv a lot of free time

[copper creek]

just ignore him lol

[fast skiff]

yall good bro its not tht deep hv a nice day

[copper creek]

@granite anchor hey, drop me a dm

[broken raven]

I will drop once I help bap

[copper creek]

seraph - u as well

just faster im having an awesome night and in about 10min im gna be piss drunk

while im still sober lmao

[broken raven]

Your opponent team 2 has s.anis, Moran and asuka, all slow char that feed jackal

With lack of better options you can always keep the t1 in your video, use something like jackal - centi - s.anis - maiden sugar for t2 and skip t3

And back to that guys comment before I blocked him. You can always mask stupidity with in this game but that doesn't mean the stupidity is gone

Heck if you are whale enough you can lineup 2 teams of blue and still take arena 1

[whole shell]

true

[fast skiff]

@sudden badger My strategy focuses on maximizing combat power while using the third-best option for burst generation—a combination that’s been effective for newer-generation Nikke PvP players. In the future, I’ll incorporate Noir and Summer Anis once they’re fully invested, and then shift focus to building up Pepper, Drake, and Noir further, after prioritizing key units both within and outside of PvP.

some older-generation PvP players don’t always understand that we can’t prioritize the top burst-generation units yet ( u can work on noir summer anis centi and jackal tho etc ), as we lack the years of resources and time they’ve accumulated. I've tried their strats and it did not work for me due to low cp and investment ** all the new gen pvp whales will just strong arm you with combat power**. I would rather focus on units that can work outside of pvp and units that can work in pvp + outside of pvp that way it wont ruin your acc when you're pushing through campaign and other endgame content.

u can listen to them or u can listen to my ideas we don't hv the time and resources to go for the 2nd best option for burst gen. i believe in u bro u got this

[umbral crown]

🎈

[civic cipher]

@broken raven so i only ranked 2 main teams and ignored the 3rd team. right?

[broken raven]

for attack yes

for defense you have to do 3

[civic cipher]

can you help me with the defense formation thank you very much

I have only been playing for 2 months and it is too hard for me

[broken raven]

right now i don't think you have enough good unit for proper def teams. can you take your roster from the char screen so they don't get hidden cause they're already in a pvp team?

[blazing fern]

Could I get some advice on SP arena teams? I pretty much just put who looks cool, but I would like to start climbing.
https://imgur.com/a/CEzrzqN

[civic cipher]

here it is, this is what i have

@broken raven

[umbral crown]

we getting old i see

[rich quail]

What?

Write louder, sonny

[fast skiff]

😂

[umbral crown]

https://tenor.com/view/yamamoto-yamamoto-shigekuni-genryusai-yamamoto-shigekuni-bankai-zanka-no-tachi-gif-27096936

[fast skiff]

saying ur old isnt derogatory unless u want it to be perhaps ill say " veterans " next time but my point stands that newer gen pvp is different from older gen pvp if u dont understand tht then dont talk to me you dont play newer gen pvp ur on the " veteran " side

at some pt u gotta open up to new ideas and not old traditional ones that do work but u needa understand the new gen pvp too cuz u guys dont play it we have too 💀

[worthy knoll]

[rich quail]

Porridge sounds good right about now

[umbral crown]

when did you start playing?

[fast skiff]

5 months ago i was a new pvp player and i got some tips from older gen it didnt work out for me and i had to figure it out myself they're right but the strats dont work in new gen pvp

[unborn arrow]

Ty so much

[worthy knoll]

I'm curious about this new gen pvp teams. Make me a 3 team def team using that new gen pvp team you are saying that I can't break 3-0.

[broken raven]

that's cause you're missing the soul of the team

[fast skiff]

dw abt it it doesnt work for u im not gonna waste my time im here to hlp the new gen players 💀

[broken raven]

[umbral crown]

i started around 10 months ago but the difference would be some collab units.

[broken raven]

ein-crown-anis-liter-jackal
noah-s.anis-laplace-soda-rapunzel
noise-SBS-blanc-noir-centi

[glad meteor]

[fast skiff]

dmed one helper in nikke server and he 100% agreed with me hes old gen too just dont enforce it if it doesnt work and dont passive aggressively tell me im wrong when clearly its working for new gen

[worthy knoll]

Just curious what this new gen pvp team you are saying, give me exact lineups

[civic cipher]

Thank u so much 🫶

[worthy knoll]

What makes it "new"

[broken raven]

wishlist biscuit and rumani asap

[fast skiff]

its the same thing u just add non pvp units in their that u invested outside of pvp tht hv high cp you cant use drake pepper why would u ruin ur new acc to go all in for pvp when u can just use ur 40k cp doro instead of non invested pvp units

when cp is a big factor especially in new gen pvp like the coffee guy telling the new person to use the shotgun clip sg when u shouldnt invest in tht to begin ( excluding units like summer anis and noir and newer players might not even hv tht yet ) with you can say my pvp teams are wrong but its clearly working its wrong in ur bracket its right for mine especially for new gens 💀

[civic cipher]

I tried but couldn't

[broken raven]

Keep them on wishlist you will get them eventually

[umbral crown]

he could have agreed with you but when you pvp you need to work with what you have in hand, being new you will not face emilia teams since she is the lastly god dps collab unit we had but besides that everyone have the chance to have same units but the investment will do the difference. but if you are focused on pve all the time and wanna do pvp, the only way you could try is cp gap in case you have not invested in pvp units

[fast skiff]

works for me im a campaigh + pvp player maintaining rank 1 but you do you ill respect ur opinion

[umbral crown]

[worthy knoll]

Uhh I never invested in SG team though.. again I'm confused, your saying there is a new gen pvp team, so kinda a meta team for new players, i'm just curious what its is. What you are mentioning is just investment problem, I'm asking what is this new gen pvp teams your mentioning. Give me exact teams, it could be a fresh new idea

[fast skiff]

it is an investment problem but why would u invest in units like drake pepper when u can put ur higher cp units in their

or even use it just to not invest in them

i got told to use pepper and drake it didnt work i put in my higher cp units it worked

[broken raven]

Such hard questions is going to make peanut head explode

[worthy knoll]

Ahh so there really wasn't a new pvp meta?

[fast skiff]

its the same thing

[umbral crown]

cp gap will not always work

[worthy knoll]

I thought you would give me new team ideas.. not a simple just get CP for PVE and use it for pvp

[fast skiff]

ur a vet n u dont need new ideas stick to traditional

just dont want newer players to invest in pvp units and focus on their campaign and other content

[worthy knoll]

Who doesn't need new if its interesting and viable

[fast skiff]

like tht pepper and drakes gonna sit their for a long time not being invested in when u can just put in ur higher cp dorothy or crown and theyre not pvp meta

[umbral crown]

[fast skiff]

pretty sure the guy who makes the pvp guides keripo also said to use liter or a high cp unit if u fully invested in it to cover the cp gaps

[worthy knoll]

Mmh Liter is part of old players lineup.. i mean she was the buffer before RH but she is still used

[umbral crown]

let them invest on pvp, that way they will not be cp gapped by a pve team

[fast skiff]

so yes my problem was not investing in drake pepper or whatever and when i put my high cp non pvp units i got to higher ranks

[worthy knoll]

Who said to invest in those though? I haven't invested on those 2 either

[fast skiff]

lemme change invest to

using them in pvp

[copper creek]

wtf

"new gen" vs old gen

[fast skiff]

we rlly having a proper conversation and u wanna cause more drama 💀

[copper creek]

what drama

[fast skiff]

just stop bro its over

[copper creek]

some of the ppl disagreeing w u started later than u lmao

[fast skiff]

one of ur buddies in the same role as u agreed with me and i fw with him so dw abt me

[copper creek]

wtf same role

plz dont associate zixk and i with the other MAs lol

[umbral crown]

will always depend if they know pvp

[copper creek]

the rest of them are pve players

[fast skiff]

uh huh causing more drama

[copper creek]

what drama

[fast skiff]

ur blocked bro im done with ya

[copper creek]

disagreeing w you = drama

[umbral crown]

[copper creek]

ok

[fast skiff]

clearly my strats worked and u wont admit it 💀

[copper creek]

what

dude in MY own message

i said im glad it works for you

[fast skiff]

u rlly didnt and u said " i hope i see u in my pvp server "

[copper creek]

whether its theoretically sound vs. whether it works for u are two different conversations

[fast skiff]

like bruh dont threaten me lmao

[copper creek]

thats the exact point im trying to make!!!

if it works for u, great

[fast skiff]

whatever bro i dont need ur negative energy just stop talking to me

[copper creek]

the problem when we recommend def teams to people is this

we dont know if the ppl we're talking are matched against ppl who like rosy/zixk/merry who will raise pvp units, or not

"negative energy" lmao

the point is this - if we build a def that doesnt work, we'll just build another one until something works

if nothing works - which happens if u're up against someone with permanent help from zixk or me

then the strat is to come up w a def that as little ppl will penetrate as possible

look man, if u cant understand nuance thats ok

but ultimately the point that all of us have stood by is that - who knows what will work and what wont

dont try, dont know

[tawny fulcrum]

what's the difference tho, I backread and you've never explained it (preface I started 27th June this year so I am "new gen" by your standards)

[copper creek]

but some things are theoretically sound, and some things are not

e.g. u put s.anis and noir on same team = gg

also pls dont misunderstand

i have absolutely nothing against u

i just dont want the all the ppl who know their stuff to be closed off in their own space vs. having discussion with everyone here

[umbral crown]

Here you have an example why pve teams with high cp will not always work.

[copper creek]

just because people like u cant agree to disagree

[fast skiff]

they have years of material accumulation and time to invest in pvp units we dont so we hv to use our high cp units that arent considered meta in pvp so we dont get strong armed by a cp gap

[tawny fulcrum]

the teams that "old gen" use usually works in my bracket, just that you have different units

[copper creek]

buddy, some of us started later than u lmao

[tawny fulcrum]

ahhhhh, yea you'll have to make do with that tbh

I know how it feels

[fast skiff]

ur using old gen units we dont hv to worry abt tht rn

[copper creek]

what are u talking about

[fast skiff]

we are not gonna invest in rosanna we dont even hv emilia

[copper creek]

some of the ppl disagreeing w u started later than u

[fast skiff]

[copper creek]

nobody is telling u to invest rosanna lmao

[granite anchor]

so tell me, what's the new gen meta like

[umbral crown]

You van get all units im using you can use Laplace+ instead emilia

[copper creek]

even i have outright said that investing ros is stupid as opposed to all the other things u can do

[fast skiff]

literally no meta just use ur high cp units if ur new gen

[copper creek]

lmao u're actually stupid

[umbral crown]

Or even Rumani

[fast skiff]

cause drama bro

[granite anchor]

that sounds very old school to me

[fast skiff]

proviing me right

[copper creek]

yea continue missing the point wveryones trying to make

[fast skiff]

yes the coffee guy said my team is wrong when im rank 1 and i used my high cp units on my teams

[copper creek]

and take my msgs out of context

[fast skiff]

ur toxic bro im blocking u

[copper creek]

again - if it works for u, im glad

[tawny fulcrum]

well, at some point your campaign and raid teams will be invested, then you'll have resources to raise pvp units. That's what I plan to do anyways.

[fast skiff]

yup

[tawny fulcrum]

in a way, its kinda fair in a way that players that invest in pvp units get to win against you, cuz you didn't invest in pvp units. But you know that their pve is going to suffer a bit. Just people investing in different departments

[copper creek]

ultimately again

what works for ur bracket vs. what's theoretically sound - very different conversations

[fast skiff]

yea honestly id rather hv them focus on their non pvp units for story etc since they can still be passable in pvp

[copper creek]

if u cant understand this nuance idk what to tell u

[broken raven]

Even watching the convo from 1 side it's funny

[umbral crown]

im telling you this because since i started playing, all my investment went to pvp, people with better pve have finished campaign and stuff and have better scores in Solo Raid but when in pvp they can not win against me. people who just invest on pve will always struggle in pvp

[copper creek]

at the end of the day, once again, if in doubt, we can play in same bracket and we will see what our ideas are worth

no hate, its just what it is

[fast skiff]

u cant understand tht one of the older gen pvp player is telling someone to use drake pepper for more burst gens when u shouldnt even use in tht to begin as a new gen with ur clearly being bias and did not take account my point of view caling me stupid and calling me " people like that " is not very professional of u so stop r blocked i dont want anything to do with u if one of ur roles agree with me im fine with that

[copper creek]

NOBODY is telling u to invest in drake and peoper

if its the best idea that someone has at the moment

[fast skiff]

lemme change tht big bro ill say "use" instead of invest

[copper creek]

thats all it is, when they have better ideas

then we will give them another def team

thats all it is

[fast skiff]

bro this is my last message for u hv a nice day and hv a peaceful life

[copper creek]

likewise u have a nice day too

and pls dont call me bro

im not your bro 🙂

[fast skiff]

freedom of speech big bro dont cause anymore drama

[copper creek]

freedom of speech means u're free to say whatever u want

im also free to tell u that i disagree

doesnt mean i think ure wrong, just not what i would do

[fast skiff]

good for ya

[copper creek]

ultimately do w/e u want, we're both perma c1 so we both found things that work for us

i just think its v dangerous to be too dogmatic and think only one thing works

or theres a new gen strat vs. an old gen strat

ultimately u're matched against other people - what works against one person may not work against another

[fast skiff]

im not dogmatic i literally said his strats work just not for newer pvp players

[copper creek]

if u found what works for u thats great

bro, the guy u were talking to has an alt account newer than urs

[fast skiff]

aite lets end off with that

[copper creek]

the point im trying to make is its not just a matter of account age

but ultimately, again,

[fast skiff]

ok ok bro we good hv a nice day

[copper creek]

if in doubt, we can see each other in the same pvp bracket, i will shake ur hand with no hard feelings whatever the outcome

[copper creek]

if thats what you're trying to say

dont phrase it the way did plz

nothing personal against you

[fast skiff]

bro u wanna keep going for hours or just stop rn lol

[copper creek]

its just zixk, caishen, rosy, myself

have to undo a lot of damage whenever u guys say things like that

[fast skiff]

what i said was right and itll work for newer gen

if u disagree with me thats fine but dont say im wrong when it clearly works

cuz my way doesnt dmg newer gen player progression

[copper creek]

again - the point im trying to make - it works for u doesnt mean it work for everyone

its not just an account age thing, again, we'll try wverything until we find aomething that works

[fast skiff]

literally a new player 5 months reached rank 1 here and im assisting a new player too its not like its a vet i wouldnt bump into tht discussion cuz i dont play their pvp

[copper creek]

buddy

rosy is as new as u are, some participants here have alts newer than yours

anyway us arguing isnt going to help general population, so i will just end off with this

[fast skiff]

aite bro im being fr this is the last time im talking to u hv a nice day u can add on to this whatever u want u can keep talking to urself but ill just not say anything if u disagree with what works for gen gen thats fine u dont agree with what works for new gen like me im assisting new gen not veteran players its not damaging anyone u can ramble on tho hv a nice day

[copper creek]

i would encourage anyone to try anything and everything until u find something that works

[fast skiff]

100% agree with that

[copper creek]

thats all x) have a good day

[quasi prism]

Lordy, I looked in here earlier and this is still going on til now x)

[copper creek]

its fine

i had a lot to drink today and i dont mind having some fun i wouldnt otherwise engage in

[umbral crown]

is not having old units, all the current units are old besides Cinderella and Rumani. i still do not have Red Hood and she was released like 1 year ago or so. the thing is everyone can have the same units but never the same investment, for now your strategy works fine but when someone in your bracket decides to invest all in pvp you will not longer hold your rank or if they know how pvp works

[fast skiff]

i agree u lose either way no matter what strat you use and theres nothing u can do abt it cuz they got pvp knowledge and money

[umbral crown]

you can win with knowledge

[quasi prism]

Not sure what I typed that got me hit with automod lmao

[broken raven]

Probably slowmode?

[quasi prism]

I was going to say I woulda joined ya and said cheers with my whisky but sadly I'm at work.

Maybe it was the name of the whisky?

Yup its the name of the whisky lmaoo

[copper creek]

something from the barrel?

[fast skiff]

when i meet someone that can beat with me in my server with just knowledge and no money ill lyk or show me an example like of a pvp player with knowledge no where near the same investments compared to a whale pvp player who has high cp, ol gears, best ol lines, pvp knowledge positioning all the nikkes etc
and somehow tht player with knowledge wins because itd be nice to see tht so f2p players hv a chance

[quasi prism]

Yupp

Glad you know what I was talking about

[copper creek]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[copper creek]

i just had a layback of one of those 500ml bottles bwahahahahahah

yea the guy gave me a layback of the whole bottle

[quasi prism]

I had a bottle of suntory not to long as well

[copper creek]

u can imagine im on cloud nine right now lmao

cheers bro

[worthy knoll]

Just to add another perspective, I'm someone who invest in pvp units and use them to progress my PvE. Yeah it kinda the opposite in my case. But I didn't really got clipped on PvE progress if we just talk about normal story campaign mode, since my pvp units are high in CP, I also just wing and breeze it. So no issues on that front. I'm prolly clipped on SR but hey, I'm contented in top 10%, its not like I can compete against those who spend on the game. My line of thinking back then if I have to choose competition, one has me vs the entire server and the other was me vs just people in my bracket, I went all in for pvp right there and then

[quasi prism]

Cheers

[umbral crown]

f2p players will always have a chance to win , im your besto example, i did max a SR doll without spending any money and got good cp in the process. its all about how you manage your investment, best way is to invest in both units wherever you have the chance

so you are not really gapped by cp only and if you do, you can do something with your units to find a way to win

[quasi prism]

Utilizing rare dolls is huge also

Since they are easier to level up

[raven plover]

I found your acc

[quasi prism]

If your being mat efficient

[fast skiff]

i disagree but i get what ur sayin in my case all i had to do was get noah and i had no problems running my whole server

shes just that op

[graceful grotto]

bruh this is so insane omg

[fast skiff]

it just sucks that defense teams are so bad and offense has more advantage

[umbral crown]

because here another example: this boi being cp gapped did some ajustment in his teams and won

.

[copper creek]

if u enjoy gins - explore the ki no bi range from kyoto distillery bro

really really really good stuff

[umbral crown]

in this example with the boi, he has no noah

[quasi prism]

I'm down to try anything once.

[copper creek]

expensive, but imo worth it and would gladly spend that money any day

[umbral crown]

there is always a way to win, even missing some units

[fast skiff]

yea but we can talk abt players that are a year or less cuz thats the people id like to help i can see tht the one u helped has emilia i hv no knowledge of her but apparently shes pretty good

[copper creek]

try the standard ki no bi first, if u like it go for the ki no bi sei which is a navy strength

[fast skiff]

its great tht u guys found a way to help him tho thats some work

id be in disbelief

[umbral crown]

she was a collab unit but in your case you do not need to worry about her since you started after she was released

you will not have to face her

you wil face most units in game just not collab units

instead emilia you can use Laplace with treasure

[fast skiff]

yea im using her in my pvp teams its good

shes my most cp

i told myself why not

[quasi prism]

[umbral crown]

yeah, just do not stick with the idea of older and new players, you will face all units but not the collab units so the things are practically the same, we all can have all units but the difference will be always in how invested they are

you can learn from everyone and do your own teams, it has a chance to work for you

[fast skiff]

i respectfull wont and ill stick to my beliefs

but ur doin great work for pvp players here gj

[umbral crown]

most people do not invest on pvp, they mostly pve

but then when you face someone who has great pvp investment, even pve units with good cp will lose. you can just balance both

[quasi prism]

I should read this whole convo when i get home later today

[mighty haven]

ofc is them

[umbral crown]

some popcorn and you are done

[fast skiff]

honestly it all started when coffee guy said my team was bad ( i had a doro crown in the team ) and it clearly worked and he wont say tht can work too idk if munch had the full convo read either and i had to 1v2 an argument

[fast skiff]

" worst teams " bro it worked no need to say tht

[umbral crown]

well, it will always depend against which team and if the other team was not optimal

where s the pic?

[dreamy drum]

Doro and Crown are really not good in PvP unfortunately

[fast skiff]

the convo? i dont think either want of us wanna scroll up but u can

[umbral crown]

the pic of the teams

[fast skiff]

yea im just using them for cp

[dreamy drum]

If its just CP padding, then could work. the CP gap has to be big tho

[fast skiff]

its not that big id say its pretty even but more favorable on my side

[umbral crown]

and if you can burst also

[dreamy drum]

I'd imagine that team bursts pretty slow

[umbral crown]

4 RL or more

[fast skiff]

nah its fine

lemme bring it up

[umbral crown]

but if the other is slower, then can not be helped

[granite anchor]

doro/crown makes any team free unless the cp gap is gigantic

[fast skiff]

id say theyre 20k ish below my team

[dreamy drum]

Rookie or SP arena?

[fast skiff]

they avoid my jackal team and go for the 2nd and 3rd teams

[granite anchor]

as a %?

[fast skiff]

arena

[dreamy drum]

20k doesnt mean much to us if we dont know your actual CP

[fast skiff]

no

[umbral crown]

if you could show us the teams

[granite anchor]

im asking how much %, because 20k is nothing at higher synchro but could be a lot at lower

[umbral crown]

[dreamy drum]

40k vs 60k and 400k vs 420k are both 20k diff so... it really doesnt tell us much

[fast skiff]

feel free to adjust the positioning im still working on summer anis

or whatever else advice

id like to learn more

[quasi prism]

[dreamy drum]

There is Rookie Arena and there is SP arena, which one? lol

[fast skiff]

special

[dreamy drum]

ok then makes more sense

[fast skiff]

the rookie one im not going for high cp i actually hv to use a proper team

[dreamy drum]

i'd imagine most people dont have enough invested units at lower syncro

[fast skiff]

im currently at synchro 272 the guys who keep going for me is 276 and a 248 but they both stopped cuz i spammed them with attacks and used my gems

and in rookie arena i spammed one guy to rank 16

for beating me 3 times

[dreamy drum]

Drop your SP Arena team

Dont think you need to use gems

[umbral crown]

you need to keep in mind the level gap

[fast skiff]

ik but i can and i want too cuz its funny and i want to send a message that nothing u do will get u rank 1

[umbral crown]

but K we are similar in sync

im not old

[fast skiff]

if u guys wanna change it up lmk

[dreamy drum]

you could use those same gems for more synchro levels though, in the long run its 'cheaper' to defend just by being higher synchro

[umbral crown]

bursting with Biscuit on scar not the way and Ein needs buffers

[dreamy drum]

unless your credit card is very healthy xd

[fast skiff]

aite change the teams for me

[umbral crown]

you even have Red Hood and i do not

[fast skiff]

its very healthy and im doin everything i can everyday to progress everything daily which isnt much since this game is super chill

[umbral crown]

[dreamy drum]

then all gucci

[mighty haven]

@umbral crownI may need to ask for help in a hot minute

[umbral crown]

give me red hood

[quasi prism]

https://tenor.com/view/money-gif-22552264

[fast skiff]

@umbral crown werent u helping me first??

[quasi prism]

[umbral crown]

[mighty haven]

...oh wait nvm, damn annoying Team 2

[fast skiff]

@dreamy drum he did this to me

[graceful grotto]

ur defense is holding?

interesting, is ur CP way higher in ur roaster?

[fast skiff]

so i did this

[dreamy drum]

ooo I just took a look at the burst gen, only the noah team will burst within 4RL, the other 2 are unlikely to burst

Thats pretty slow, hmm

[fast skiff]

it’s either holding or they know i hv a huge wallet cuz i spammed attacks on everyone tht wanted a fight with me

i haven’t been attacked for days

[graceful grotto]

dayum

[dreamy drum]

Someone tried that on me but couldnt break my SP arena def lol

So I sit on rank 2 (rank 1 is 40 synchros above me lmao)

[graceful grotto]

i was holding SP for days

but recently peeps 3 took my spot

[fast skiff]

@worthy knoll ur one of the pvp mentors? idk where rosy went what advice do u hv on my teams like positioning and teams wise

[graceful grotto]

guess i'll retaliate tomorrow

[fast skiff]

rip

[dreamy drum]

Ive been top 3 SP arena for a year now I think

Havent fallen out since

[fast skiff]

what teams u got for me? to change that u don’t needa see my whole roster just assume they’re not invested stick with the units u see

[mighty haven]

back to sleep I go

[dreamy drum]

gimme some time to cook

[fast skiff]

is rosy cooking rn too

gotcha

[worthy knoll]

I'm no mentor, but hmm..The Crown team, I think its better if you burst with Crown instead of Biscuit but has decent idea since Crown is protected by Biscuit and in case Scar die, cindy can save. The Noah Noise team only alice is weird but if you use her as a CP kicker then its fine for now coz its working.. only your Doro team is bad. Its all P1 attacker.. a simple Blanc Biscuit or Crown Biscuit x/x/x team can win against it even if you cp gap them

[fast skiff]

i guess the noise team is stalling

honestly just focusing on two teams im still working on my third

[worthy knoll]

Well the thing is, that is if your enemies has the know how tho.. if they don't know how to pvp they can't solve how to fight while on cp deficit

[fast skiff]

gotcha thx

[fast skiff]

yea i honestly dont care abt my third yet lol i said to myself might as well make my 2 best teams harder to clear

and i told myself my 3rd team doesnt matter theyll skip my jackal team cuz theres no counter to it with what my opponents have so ill make my 2nd best team better

[worthy knoll]

Here is an example of a fight while on deficit (T1 team) if you have the know how, with just 4 P1 pressure and then one P5 pressure, you can take advantage using like that team on this vid

[fast skiff]

gotcha thx

im ngl u guys are showing me jackal teams

i dont need a better jackal team lol

[dreamy drum]

Let me know how much CP both teams 1 and 2 would have?

Team1: Scarlet, Jackal, Redhood, Centi, Rumani (This team bursts very fast)
Team2: Noah, Biscuit, S.Anis, Laplace, Noise

[fast skiff]

oh nah i said no s anis yet she not rdy

but we can try

[dreamy drum]

Ahh ok

Well the enemies dont know she isnt ready

[fast skiff]

lmaoo ya

how rosy gon tell me to send teams then disappear 3 mins later whatever i guess shes busy

[dreamy drum]

Is S.Anis skill 2 lvl 7 and burst lvl 9? that is technically enough for her to work in PvP

[fast skiff]

haha no

[dreamy drum]

Also team 3 is usually just slap highest CP and CP gap enemies or do a shotgun team

[fast skiff]

shes my favorite unit and im not even investing in her what am i doin

i wanna work on cindy first lel

[dreamy drum]

Fair enough

[fast skiff]

kk

[mighty haven]

9/7/7 7/7/9 min

[dreamy drum]

Burst needs to be 9 for the 1 bullet max ammo threshold, so do you mean 7/7/9?

[mighty haven]

ah yes you're correct, my bad, and slap resi cube on her (at least L5 if not 7+)

[dreamy drum]

Honestly in PvP can get away with lower s1 for awhile

The S1 reload spd lvl is more so to hit certain reload speeds in PvE usually

But higher s1 is always good

[umbral crown]

show me your roster in horizontal mode shorted by power only

[dreamy drum]

10/10/9 is ideal

[mighty haven]

Ideal yes, however newer players (I still consider myself new with 4 months) are still gearing/skilling other units

all in time/grind

[dreamy drum]

Yep

But really 4/7/9 is already usable in PvP I think

[mighty haven]

you'd want 7/7/9, just so you don't need Privaty

[fast skiff]

aite if ur strat doesnt work you owe me the $99 custom package

[umbral crown]

[mighty haven]

Rosy won't give you the package, just a free gif of Joker

[fast skiff]

[mighty haven]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-heathledger-clout-message-sendingamessage-gif-22113585

[fast skiff]

@umbral crown

i have everyone but moran excluding collabs before evangelion

[worthy knoll]

Image is in reverse

I reckon the rightmost image has the highest cp just to take note of Rosy

[umbral crown]

at nikke tab on lobby, in-game settings > nearby > horizonal if on mobile and sort by power only

[fast skiff]

ah gotcha

[worthy knoll]

In case you may think that Drake Pepper have high CP

[fast skiff]

😂

[umbral crown]

[fast skiff]

ama be honest rosy i came to u for advice a few weeks ago it didnt work so i did my own way again but ik u did ur best and we prolly coulda tried another strat

2lazy to send messages for hlp

[umbral crown]

if one strategy does not work, just change it

until you find the best one

it happens to all of us

[fast skiff]

give me a noir team i think shes rdy

[umbral crown]

max core laplace

waos

[fast skiff]

im team missilis so i had to matis is funny

[worthy knoll]

What is the Cp of Lap+, Blanc and Rapunzel to have some gauge how far in CP they are

[worthy knoll]

Holy cow that far of a diff

[fast skiff]

idk laplace just got strong for no rzn

[mighty haven]

Treasure

[worthy knoll]

Yeah coz of dolls, iirc max give more or less +20k CP

Then add your max core

[fast skiff]

triple lines above average the skills arent 10/10/10 im investing in other pvp units and cindy

[worthy knoll]

And OL values

[umbral crown]

SP Defense
Scarlet-Noir-Liter-Bay-Jackal
Ein-Laplace+-Blanc-Red Hood-Centi
Noah-Noise-Cindirella-Biscuit-Rapunzel

check the total cp with these teams

[fast skiff]

my noah team gon be like under 280k cp

lets see

[umbral crown]

or change rapunzel with doro if too low cp

you need to OL Rapunzel

[fast skiff]

ehhh yea prolly later

way later

[umbral crown]

she will make your cindy team better

also Oling her will help you in pilgrim towah

[fast skiff]

haha pilgrim tower should be a meme its so easy

[umbral crown]

for now, wait till you pass floors 180

but the life with Red Hood is easier

[fast skiff]

161 we'll see how it is

[umbral crown]

i passed 180 recently

[fast skiff]

oh i forgot u hv no red hood

[umbral crown]

give

[fast skiff]

yea i think ill be good dw

[umbral crown]

[fast skiff]

[umbral crown]

Once you invest on pvp units you can live the good life

[whole shell]

Ye

[broken raven]

forever living the hard life

[whole shell]

No rh here either

[umbral crown]

2025 will come and me Red Hood less

[whole shell]

At least I'm no longer scarletless

I'm still noahless and biscuitless though

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1014951072072216626.png?quality=lossless&name=deadge&size=48

[umbral crown]

i was checking old messages and found out i got noah in my early days

[whole shell]

If I can get either one I'd do so much better

[umbral crown]

gues sit was during Elegg banner

[whole shell]

But for now I'm stuck in C5

Speaking of which I need to see if anyone attacked me

It's been over 2 days and only 1 failed attempt at my rank which is sus

Been focusing too much on pgr

[umbral crown]

happens

[whole shell]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1009041348000759899.png?quality=lossless&name=Susge&size=48

No attempts have been made

Unsure if people are avoiding me because I have scarlet now or something

But the guy that used to hound my rank has decided to go for other people

[umbral crown]

boi said: its about time to move on withthis coffeeguy

he found a better rival

[whole shell]

Sed

Honestly I don't know who to start investing in skill-wise next

I could try finishing emi with 7/10/10 and get cs lines for 21csEmi, or I could just start hard investing into scarlet after I got cindy to 10/7/10 yesterday

[worthy knoll]

Here is my cook dunno how it is CP wise tho, well if you are fine with it

• Crown/Scarlet/Laplace(Quantum)/Noir(quantum)/Rapunzel(Adjutant)

• Ein/Blanc/Biscuit/RH/Jackal(quantum)

• Noah/Alice/Cinderella/Noise(adjutant)/Rumani(quantum)

[whole shell]

Rosy is too expensive for me to build rn

Since I also have rumani I need to OL

[umbral crown]

[whole shell]

Not to mention the rock devourer called alice

I'm just trying to get ammo lines

I need 2 ammo lines and 1 ele to complete everything and have a busted 4x atk 3x ele 3x ammo 2x cs alice

Having only 1 ammo sucks

[fast skiff]

gotcha thx im taking boths of your teams and making new ones then if it doesnt work ill go back to yall teams after i invested in the lower cp pvp units i just read up on positioning so im experimenting @umbral crown thx yall

[umbral crown]

give a try for a day of both suggestions and see how it works

and if its the same guy beating you change, but not after the first defeat, give another try to see if the boi won by RNG

[fast skiff]

oh dw no ones beaten me in weeks i just wanted to see what u guys can cook and learn from it now i know i can put noir in

[amber timber]

Only reason I'm 1st in my Rookie Arena is because of power. I have next to none pvp characters

[fast skiff]

used to be my strat but eventually someone broke thru in rookie so yea maybe one day someones gonna get ya gl

[amber timber]

Likely yeah

[fast skiff]

can u explain why crown on p1 and rumani is better than centi?

[worthy knoll]

Oh didn't see your Centi, you can go Centi instead

Costumed Centi

[fast skiff]

oh yea

[worthy knoll]

Didn't notice that was Centi, and its on the lower left too. Go Centi instead of Rumani

As for Crown at P1 is for Scar to survive more, but I guess Scar P1 should be fine. The idea of that Scar Crown team is hitting them like a truck before burst

[fast skiff]

kk what abt the biscuit blanc duo is that best duo pairing for biscuit tht u need on a team

[worthy knoll]

With Rapu she heals Crown by default at P1, once she does Crown S2 procs, Noir S1 also gives atk

So your Scar Lap+ will do huge P1 pressure, while Noir will do P5 pressure

Since they will have Noir atk buff, Crown S2 buff at 1 RL time. Crown at P1 to ensure Rapu heals her and Scarlet survives more longer to normal atk

[fast skiff]

gotcha ill put crown on p1

[grizzled bone]

[fast skiff]

^ @worthy knoll

[umbral crown]

[pastel narwhal]

[worthy knoll]

Biscuit it to ensure Blanc won't die, and well another is simply, I had no other choices that has at least decent gen and CP. Ein will get feed for jackal that is why she is on P1, assumes jackal linked Ein RH.. coz it'll be slow if Jackal is not fed. Assuming your Ein successfully burst, she will do nuke, and after nuke dps if Blanc indomed on her (undying for 10 sec)

Though you can also place Centi instead of Biscuit on that team, that way it'll be more sure its a quick team.. cp will drop tho not sure by how much.. then go Rumani as originally written for the Noah Noise team.

[fast skiff]

gotcha thx

[worthy knoll]

Tho just to be sure, how much cs difference is there between your Noah and Noise?

[fast skiff]

theyre both 40k cp lol

i literally just got noah

[worthy knoll]

Cs, charge speed

[fast skiff]

ah

[worthy knoll]

Hmm I assume no OL yet both?

[fast skiff]

no

ill get em done later i wanna work on cindy for union raids

[worthy knoll]

If no OL, you can go as what is place there. If you want Alice to burst use

Noah/Alice/Cindy/Noise/Rumani(or Centi) with Noise having adjutant

If you want Cindy to burst, go Noise/Rumani/Cindy/Alice/Noah
Or
Noise/Noah/Centi/Cindy/Alice if with Centi with both Noise with Vigor

[lunar dirge]

who tf is dat yee-yee ass big K pretender?

should've checked this place

from time to time

[worthy knoll]

@glad meteor 's doppelganger

[fast skiff]

its laurent lil bro

[lunar dirge]

who cares🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️

[fast skiff]

i dont even know who u are or even care lol hv a nice life lil bro

if ur rlly revolving ur life around being a big shot high synchro nikke player and harrassing other newer nikke players i think u need to rethink ur life decisions and get ur money up

[hot haven]

Could someone help me make teams for PVP please, these are the only nikke I don't have x .x

[fast relic]

@broken raven I did defend once from the same guy who was in 4. He beat me second attempt though

[umbral crown]

[whole shell]

Send your box in horizontal mode sorted by power

Not the nikkepedia

If a comp is suggested and a key unit in said comp is not invested in, the comp can't be used and has to be modified

Seeing just the units you don't have doesn't give the helpers an idea of general investment and power to build teams

[hot haven]

is this ok?

cant attach more image but the rest are practically not invested in anyway

[whole shell]

That's good

Weren't around for emilia I'm assuming?

[hot haven]

I uh

pull rem instead > .>

[whole shell]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1014951072072216626.png?quality=lossless&name=deadge&size=48

Well that's one advantage your bracket has against you

You can make the pretty standard scarjack and noah/s.anis teams though

[hot haven]

that's fine. Most of my character I pull mainly for pve, I just want to have a decent enough teams for pvp so I can make some space in the sync

[whole shell]

Scarlet/Blanc/RH/Centi/Jackal

Noah/Noise/S.Anis/Biscuit/Rapu

Third team unsure what you can build tho

[hot haven]

missing emilia is that bad? xD

also I dont mind sync units if it does help make the third team. If you would like I can post the nikke I dont invest in.

[grizzled bone]

SPA Def

Jackal-Scarlet-Liter-Poli-Noir
SAnis-Blanc-RH-Viper-Drake
Noah-Noise-Cindy-Rapunzel-Centi

[grizzled bone]

Rookie Def

Noah-Noise-Cindy-Pepper-Anis
or
Noah-Noise-SBS-Pepper-Anis

SPA Def

Noah-Noise-Cindy-Pepper-Centi
SBS-Blanc-Poli-Liter-Anis
Alice-Crown-MPriv-Neon-Drake (leftovers)

[exotic goblet]

Hello! Can someone help me out with SPA? I can get some nikkes ready if needed, and if the best teams are those mentioned above I will adapt to them

This is what Ive got avaliable

[broken raven]

going to happen, though i'm surprised he didn't do it 1 try

[hallow trench]

@grizzled bone ty very much!! , and for rooki what you will use ?

[grizzled bone]

SPA Def

Scarlet-Blanc-Liter-Noir-Jackal
Noah-Noise-Cindy-Rapunzel-Biscuit
Crown-SBS-RH-Pepper-Centi

[whole shell]

...yeah, pretty much

She serves double duty as a B3 nuker and a battery, kinda triple duty if you need a sub-dps unit that can do damage with regular shots

[exotic goblet]

tysm! I will change it right now 😄

[whole shell]

Her burst gen is right behind a clip rl

[hallow trench]

@grizzled bone poli is on 2 teams

[hot haven]

ok I'll just dump something on team 3 thanks

[grizzled bone]

edited

[hallow trench]

tyyy 😄 should i start upgradin their skills now ? or i focus on story team first ?

[grizzled bone]

i would say focusing on pve is more important than pvp. As @rich quail says, "pve is the lifeblood of doing anything in pvp".
you can catch up on campaign, etc to give more resources to dedicate to pvp eventually

pvp is nice supplemental income

[hallow trench]

Let's see how long I can keep the position xD

ty @grizzled bone

[umbral crown]

cai op

[fast relic]

I am glad Rookie arena doesn't matter, because having two whales (one 56% CP gap, one 48% CP gap) who just hit me exclusively is demoralizing

[grizzled bone]

Pray to SU for isekai shuffle

[fast relic]

How often is there a shuffle?

[umbral crown]

Each 3 months

[fervent bolt]

greatly appreciate you putting your time into this. 🙏

[swift mango]

That only apply to campaign. People say PvE as in Raid as well, which is also just pvp but worse reward but they focus on them more.

Like Grave, a must pull but only on Raid contest. she isn't beating Crown in general team.

[fervent bolt]

I should have mentioned i plan to pump up sbs and can include rosanne if you think it would be an improvement to the roster

I get what you mean. SBS will be on my main team so i'll justr repost my stuff when i have things settled after graves release

[swift mango]

Nvm Rossanna isn't wind lol.

My bad. I missed read her.

Name

Rossanna is a very huge commitment I was about to do but seeing Cindy decoy just bypass her burst, I stopped.

Cindy is too busted right now. Ignore Noah, Ignore Rossanna. Glad she couldn't ignore Blanc indom or nothing could beat her.

If this keeps up without bug fix on Noah at least, Blanc would be SSS tier in the next pvp tier list lol.

[fervent bolt]

makes me happy I came back to pull on her lol, I was a whale on my server but got bored and went to play other game right before last year anni event. hoping the nerfs arent too big

[swift mango]

That would mean you won't be top in pvp anymore unless you wipe tons of cash. 🥹

Oh well

[final tendon]

should i change my positioning for this?

[fervent bolt]

having something to chase will make it fun at least,