pvp-arena

[oblique magnet]

for long term, build up your S/SS/SSS ranked support units. seems like you're mostly doing that anyways though, but i would definitely give moran and noah more attention

though, probably best to wait and see how cindy stacks up before wasting resources, lol

[old hinge]

is the nike.gg team comps still relevant?

https://nikke.gg/special-arena-team-compositions/

[oblique magnet]

not sure ~ i generally reference prygdwen for tier stuff

not a big fan of nikke.gg's mod team, lol

[old hinge]

hmm ok, for tiers I look at both. but I cant be bothered on trying to learn how to build an actual team comp

[oblique magnet]

honestly, the most lazy and best way to do pvp without putting an ounze of thought into it is by copying comps from the top 10

you'll often notice a CP padded team (the highest CP team) - don't copy those. the other 2 will always be meta, lol

[old hinge]

Good idea

I didn't know I could look at the top 10 teams

will figure out how to do it later

[oblique magnet]

oh wait. maybe you can't, lol

[old hinge]

oh lol

[oblique magnet]

i'm in top 10 so i see it all the time, sorry

i kinda just assumed you can look at anyone, but then i remembered you can't, lol

[old hinge]

all good, what's the meta right now?

[oblique magnet]

this is #1 on my server:

for attack, i have 1 meta team and 1 CP team (basically your campaign pushing team with the highest CP) and it would be enough to push the ranks. this is my meta team that i use that can generally beat everyone but a scarlet-noah based team

[old hinge]

any difference in attk or defence teams? or are they all the same

[oblique magnet]

(it can beat a scarlet noah team like 40% of the time, just depends on crits i think, lol)

hm, for someone who doesn't really care to get to much into it, you can probably keep it the same. but if you cared, it matters

[old hinge]

yeah mainly doing it for the gems

kinda crazy I've been playing for over a year and never bothered to learn lol

[oblique magnet]

yeah, just do whatever, lol. you get gems for just participating

who knows, you might do it a few times and get into it, lol

[old hinge]

I think if there was more than 2 attempts a day I wouldve gotten into it

Always wanted more to do in nikke

maybe this will be it

[umbral crown]

[old hinge]

just to make sure, the order of the units listed here doesn't matter right? like why put scarlet in the first slot if shes B3?

[wild badge]

could definitely have better positioning for sure, don't want scarlet to die before burst

this is just to explain the general teams, not to just copy and paste

[old hinge]

and if its on defence you need to set your units up as B1, B2 and B3 right?

otherwise it won't auto/defend

[wild badge]

yeah you set them up as if it was on auto battle from left to right burst positioning

[old hinge]

ok thanks

[glacial lion]

scar pos1 work here cuz jackal share dmg taken

[glacial lion]

better what?

[old hinge]

but if shes in pos1, doesnt that mean the burst will never proc?

[glacial lion]

no?

[old hinge]

this was my understanding, units need to be in order of B1, B2 and B3

[glacial lion]

left > right rule only apply if you has 2 nikkes same burst type, example here, this team has 3 burst 2, but blanc burst cuz she is most left

[old hinge]

oh im just way off then

I thought their positioning for all units need to be in order or their burst

[wild badge]

I was saying that in general, for bursting during pvp, it operates as if its on auto battle

and yes, for these particular teams, jackal tethering works to preserve scarlet and proc her skills

[grizzled bone]

[umbral crown]

🎈

[grizzled bone]

2 of these look like they won't even burst...

we dont really give out attack teams based on rosters (offense should be tailored to opponents defense). It would just be focusing on the units that are suited to pvp

spa def (if you want it)
t1 blanc-scarlet-rh-biscuit-jackal (blanc and scarlet can be swapped)
or jackal-scarlet-blanc-noir-flex
t2 noah-noise-sbs-flex-centi
t3 crown-sanis-emi-biscuit-poli/flex

[oblique magnet]

order matters a lot - not only does it impact burst order, but it also impacts how damage is distributed and how a team responds to receiving that damage. in the case of scarlet and jackal, there are a couple elements in play ~ scarlet does more damage when below certain HP thresholds, and P1 and P5 and generally targeted first. jackal also debuffs based on the number of times she is hit. since jackal protects the highest ATK, that would include scarlet. hitting scarlet would then also increase the number of debuffs jackal pumps out

the last example build with blanc is another good example where positioning matters a bit. you want blanc's burst indomitability, which affects the nikke with the lowest HP, to apply to your DPS carry. the best way to guarantee that is by putting your carry out front, but protected by jackal so the carry can live long enough to get indom

the rest of the team are also burst generators and tanky, without taunts, so no chance of indom accidently landing on them

[old hinge]

thanks for explaining

[oblique magnet]

yeah, after i looked at the comp, i realized the only reason why #1 is #1 is because they're 150k CP higher than anyone in the Top 10, so they're coasting on a mediocre team with high CP, lol

[grizzled bone]

cp gap is stronk

[mighty haven]

but what's your actual rank

If you can't show, then you're likely one of them

[oblique magnet]

https://tenor.com/view/top-gun-tom-cruise-maverick-classified-secret-gif-5041272

[mighty haven]

https://tenor.com/view/adam-sandler-head-shaking-bullshit-gif-15413200

[oblique magnet]

i'm only saying #1 is the whale, though most of everyone else in the top 10 are dolphins / have spent a little

[mighty haven]

I'm not a whale, I just won't show my own rank

Don't say stuff unless you actually also show where you're at

[oblique magnet]

wait, why does it matter what rank i'm at?

[mighty haven]

Yeah it does, because it screams oh look they all spent, and I'm secretly one of them, but I'm going to hide the fact I am

[oblique magnet]

what? lol. even if i was, like, why is any of that important? i'm confused. i'm not shitting on whales. i don't care if people spend money on nikke

[umbral crown]

[mighty haven]

The fact you cropped the rankings to not show you own rank with the post you made is highly sus, like why crop it if you're going to make a comment about being F2P?

[oblique magnet]

because i don't like to share my user name?

here are my current stats, lol

[mighty haven]

What are people going to do, target you in PvP, geez

[grizzled bone]

Topre is secretly C1 kekek

[oblique magnet]

🕵️

[mighty haven]

Like that alone tells me that you have a campaign team of at least 290k, if not more

[grizzled bone]

would be funny if true

[mighty haven]

And OC 30, yeah you're definitely in C1-10

[oblique magnet]

yeah, my campaign team is 354k CP. i've been playing for 6 months, lol

yeah, i'm top 10, i already said that earlier, lol

[mighty haven]

And like I said, why not post your own actual rank?

It's just weird you would not include that

[oblique magnet]

in fact, i'm top 6, i'm in that list. i'm just not confirming who i am (though if you're on my server / bracket, you can now pair the progress page and that list)

i use different user names across different platforms / products. my profession is security. it's just a habit. i don't like to associate / link different products and platforms

[mighty haven]

Me on the other hand, I could care less

[oblique magnet]

in fact, the main reason why i'm F2P is because i don't want to associate my credit card with Nikke and i don't particularly care enough to create burner cards

so yeah, i'm just a weirdo. don't mind me. i like pvp

[mighty haven]

YMMV

[umbral crown]

i change mine every shuffle, to have a new start

🎈

[oblique magnet]

lol, that's fun

[umbral crown]

so my bois can think its a new player

[oblique magnet]

i don't quite have the gem surplus to do that yet

[umbral crown]

ahaha

when you are in the top 3 for a long time, sometimes you can afford that

[oblique magnet]

i deleted my ranking photo. i just realized that if one had enough braincells, they could probably derive who i am based on my discord name and my nikke name. while they are not the same, they are infact related, lol

yeah, PvP gems are so nice, lol

[umbral crown]

[oblique magnet]

Top 6 is also very comfy. 7 and below is pretty cutthroat

[umbral crown]

yeah, in my bracket the fun is between C2 and C5 but now mostly people from C6 to C9 are fighiting them

im alone at the top

[mighty haven]

Better change it then C2

[glacial lion]

if cindy is new pvp meta nikke, who will get biscuit
cindy, noah or blanc?

[grizzled bone]

we aren't sure yet

it'll depend on your builds anyway

[mighty haven]

Let the cookers scheme once kit is out

[ashen urchin]

i just got moran and rosanna any updates to PVP Def?

[grizzled bone]

do you spend the gems to change your name as well? That would be pretty funny

[glacial lion]

thought they leave this server already

[umbral crown]

sometimes, once i did change names like 3 times in a week

but now doing it every shuffle

[grizzled bone]

you could make a life steal moran-sanis-biscuit team but it's pretty vulnerable to scar-jack without proper investing

same goes for rosanna if you want to snipe a unit

[mighty haven]

I'm sure the information will filter through regardless

[umbral crown]

during the SP part i change so the rookie bois see the change 1 week before

[ashen urchin]

i currently run
blanc/RH/Emi/biscuit/centi
jackal/scarlet/sanis/bscar/noir
rap/noise/sanis/drake/tia

prob should tyr to focus on 2 teams instead of spreading out to 3 but i have some decent investment on chars now

[grizzled bone]

Rosy and I are the only ones left that are active here to a degree

[oblique magnet]

are you still moranless? lol

[grizzled bone]

...yes

[oblique magnet]

omg, lol

[trail inlet]

[grizzled bone]

[quasi stag]

hi guys. can anyone give me 3 team best for pvp rn?. i just start play pvp 😄

[ashen urchin]

i need to see how much i need to invest in skill wise for Noise/biscuit/and rapu for now? @grizzled bone min invest reqs?

[trail inlet]

what lvl are you

[mighty haven]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-thalapthy-disappointed-vijay-thalapathy-sad-gif-3991597355261914174

[trail inlet]

that too

[grizzled bone]

this gif is oddly specific

[ashen urchin]

should i follow Keripos guide on skill investments?

[grizzled bone]

for those units or moran and rosa?

[ashen urchin]

these units not moran/rosa

[grizzled bone]

Keripo's investment is more if you're whale/want to get the best out of the unit

[ashen urchin]

i think those are more important and have higher PVP priority?

[ashen urchin]

i thought so and why i havent really invested much if anything i stop at lvl 4

[quasi stag]

here

[trail inlet]

hooooly shieeeet

no pvp indeed

[ashen urchin]

i guess the only thing i can do then is keep pushing story so i can just get my synchro up and try to catch up to top 3

i think its all just CP deficiencies on my losses then

[mighty haven]

No Jackal

[trail inlet]

its not synchroed

he has jackal lmao in fact he has most meta pvp units

[mighty haven]

Time to synchro Jackal/Noise/Rapu/Anis

[quasi stag]

i dont know how to do pvp so i just skip it. hehe 😄

[mighty haven]

Moran too

[oblique magnet]

some people just don't know what they've got

[grizzled bone]

eh not necessarily. You can get by without having those 2 units, Moran gives you more options for stall Rosa makes life easier for sniping/unlinking Jackal

Moran:
start 4/4/4/ > 4/7/7 > 4/7/10(roughly if you want to max), Resil/Vigor cube

Rosanna:
start 4/4/4 > 4/7/7 > 7/10/10, Bastion/Wingman/Resil cubes, roughly 50% atk OL to be safe for sniping

[oblique magnet]

missing almost half the meta pvp units, struggling to make due

[quasi stag]

so can anyone giev me like 3 team best for pvp. so i can build it 😄

[ashen urchin]

oh i was talking about noise/biscuit/rap

[grizzled bone]

oh

[ashen urchin]

those are more imprtant no?

[grizzled bone]

i misunderstood

[ashen urchin]

prob my fault LOL

[trail inlet]

jackal/scarlet/xanne/anis/noir
noise/noah/sanis/rapunzel/pepper
blanc/emilia/RH/biscuit/centi
synchro everything that isnt synchroed
and also OL units for more CP
cuz cp gap in pvp determines a lot of fights
and dont be surprised that you are losing a lot cuz your cp is low
verdict: you have literally all the pvp meta units but no investment in them so gg
and swap rumani for pepper if you eventually get her

[quasi stag]

its ok. i can take it slow. 😄

[trail inlet]

yeah but those teams are basically what i would make anyways

[quasi stag]

who is xanne ?

[mighty haven]

Miracle Anne

[ashen urchin]

lol

[quasi stag]

LOL i was try find her in synchro device

[quasi prism]

Happy N102

[vapid lake]

this person has modernia skin

[grizzled bone]

@ashen urchin

Noise:
start 4/4/4 > 4/4/7 > 7/7/10 (roughly for max and not necessary to function), Vigor/Healing cube (Vigor takes prio), 4 chrg speed is ideal

Rapu
4/4/4 > 7/4/4 (if you want to push it), Vigor/Healing cube (Vigor takes prio), chrg speed and ammo is ideal

Biscuit:
start 4/4/4 > 4/4/7 > 4/4/10 (leveling burst isn't necessary if you're not bursting with her), Vigor (takes prio) (could argue adjutant/resil), 2 max ammo essential

[vapid lake]

the other people in his bracket must be level 350 by now

[trail inlet]

yeah he is cooked beyond belief imo

[quasi stag]

i dont play that much so 😄

[vapid lake]

pvp bricked 🧱

[trail inlet]

[quasi stag]

wait. the defense team is same as above right?

[trail inlet]

the def team is that

[ashen urchin]

okay ill see where i can go but dont want to invest too heavily if i dont have too

[grizzled bone]

i would save with 2nd anniv around corner

[trail inlet]

atk teams are based on matchup

[ashen urchin]

i mean i do have a LOT of skillbooks i think

[mighty haven]

I'd lean towards Noah/Noise/SAnis/Biscuit/Rapunzel and slot in Pepper into T3 instead

[trail inlet]

blanc is not good alone

[grizzled bone]

you could go start/minimum invest but your roster could change a lot within the next couple days

[trail inlet]

might die before burst happens so yeah

[mighty haven]

3 B1s in one team is a stretch

[ashen urchin]

@grizzled bone

[ashen urchin]

who would change?

[quasi stag]

damn. so manything

[trail inlet]

eh doesnt matter, pepper is there for burst gen and rapunzel is there to b1 and revive noise if she dies

[ashen urchin]

i mean 4/4/4 on all cant hurt to fill in gaps cheap investment

or even the 2nd tier u suggested only a few skills need to be at 7

[mighty haven]

Pepper doesn't make that team go to 2.5RL, they're going to be 3RL with Biscuit/Pepper

[grizzled bone]

Cindy could be viable in PvP but we're unsure until kit release. There's also Christmas and New Years. IDK if you care about PvE at all either

[trail inlet]

nothing other than 21 emilia will make that team go 2.5RL lol

[ashen urchin]

i def do but im titering on solo raid tiers so right now i can use my excess on pvp and im in top 3-7 finish each round

so extra gems do add up every 2 weeks...

i usually get top 10% in SR

[grizzled bone]

that is a lot of S1 books though

[trail inlet]

well def is always losable its just what teams lose the least

[ashen urchin]

yeah LOL so i ugess i can do 4/4/4 some have skills partially at 4

[vapid lake]

that's only enough to get one skill up to lv 10

[mighty haven]

Biscuit is going to give survivability + extra lifesteal for SAnis, tends to be the norm

[ashen urchin]

i am a hoarder...

[trail inlet]

biscuit burst wont activate if she is with noah so no lifesteal

[grizzled bone]

i am also hoarder

[grizzled bone]

yeah but game is encouraging more horizontal investment so

[mighty haven]

She's also there to make Noah/Noise take less damage, that doesn't require her burst

[ashen urchin]

ill see if my new def set up holds

[trail inlet]

biscuit is there to make defender units invul

[ashen urchin]

i took a bit of a cp dip but we'll see

[trail inlet]

she doesnt do anything with supporter units unless she bursts

[mighty haven]

Reread what I wrote

[trail inlet]

noise is a supp unit brotha

noah if in p2 wont die as fast

[ashen urchin]

thanks as always @grizzled bone

[ashen urchin]

wait do you always put noah in p2?

[trail inlet]

no

if paried with biscuit you want her p1

[ashen urchin]

oh wheewh

[trail inlet]

its just the team i cooked for someone was noise/noah/sanis/rapunzel/pepper

so no biscuit so you want noah to not die

cuz most units other than sg target p1 at pvp start

and if noah dies in p2 its just cp gap diff

[umbral crown]

but bro has RH C1

[trail inlet]

bro has almost all the meta pvp units not synchroed

raaaah

[umbral crown]

i would take RH and X.Anne

[quasi stag]

wait normal anis actually good for pvp ?

[umbral crown]

as burst genenration

[grizzled bone]

Pascal

[meager lark]

can anyone help me build pvp team :3

i have no idea how pvp works and would just like to stay in diamond or something

[quasi stag]

ty guys for advice/ team building

[meager lark]

Here is what i have to work with

[quasi stag]

i got so manything to do now @@

[grizzled bone]

this is my suggestion for now, you have pvp meta units in low power

spa def
t1 jackal-scarlet-blanc-noir-sugar/flex
t2 noah-sbs-biscuit-rapunzel-centi
t3 crown-sanis-rh-drake/flex-noise

[meager lark]

so high power teams would be different?

and what is flex? like whatever i want?

[grizzled bone]

flexible, usually for burst gen. Harder to make more solid teams because your box is more pve oriented.
Your burst gen units and pvp meta units are low in power in your box. Not a criticism, it's just what it is
So the teams I made may work but others could CP gap you

[meager lark]

ah i see 😭 i like read a guide but it seemed too complicated. I thought using MG's is bad, so why crown in t3

[grizzled bone]

for her shield. Not ideal, but having defensive units in the P1 and P2 can be good because those are the danger zones for targeting. That can change with support units however that heal or shield

[meager lark]

mhmmm ok thanks alot ill give the teams a try. I assume i can use the same teams for atk?

shouldnt i try to use normal anis for one of the flex slots? shes like SS tier or something

[grizzled bone]

offense teams should be tailored to your opponents defense teams. We dont really give out attack teams just based on roster but will help for specific opponents

[meager lark]

ooooooo i see, i kinda was just using the same teams

[grizzled bone]

yeah but she's also near the bottom of your synchro (low cp) but will help with burst gen that's why these are suggestions and i indicated flexible positions

[grizzled bone]

For attack, you can make 2 attack teams and you can skip 1 enemy team by putting 1 unit on P5. You can view the links here for counters in Rookie and Special Arena (SP) (other useful stuff at pins):

Prydwen:

• Meta units - https://tinyurl.com/4ffcu6sx
• Special Arena (SP) - https://tinyurl.com/ycxnsjrv

nikke.gg:

• Rookie Arena - https://tinyurl.com/43u6a2z4
• Special Arena (SP) - https://tinyurl.com/2p8222fy

Keripo's Video and Matrix:

• Countering the Meta - https://tinyurl.com/eydrpwh7
• Keripo's PvP Matrix - http://tinyurl.com/keripo-nikke-pvp-test-matrix

[meager lark]

you can make 2 atk teams? it only lets me make one

[grizzled bone]

for SPA?

[meager lark]

yeah, i guess you mean like i only need to win 2/3 matches

misunderstood

[grizzled bone]

yes exactly

[meager lark]

so is atk for pvp just know which team to use scarlet+jackal. Then use biscuit+AnisSS to beat the other setup

[grizzled bone]

cuz you might spread your teams out too thinly

[grizzled bone]

well that's one way to look at it if you're looking at your top dps pvp meta wise

[meager lark]

If its put that way then Its easier for me to understand. I would just have to learn which matchups those 2 beat then arrange them accordingly

Thank you for all the help though

[grizzled bone]

yes, but also think about your SBS as well. She's in your top synchro and does well in pvp

[meager lark]

well keep that in mind. Ig if i ever want to push past diamond ill have to learn more about PVP 😭

[grizzled bone]

you can ask for advice here about attacking opponents. Just post their teams and your roster

[final tendon]

this is another matchup i used to win cp diff wasn't massive, and definitely not any bigger than before

damn biscuit

[trail inlet]

lmao jackal 1v9

[grizzled bone]

finally got to watch this. Nice work

[grizzled bone]

looks like stall was too strong

[coarse lake]

wowie it worked out, pog

[final tendon]

should i just start using my own biscuit even though she's not super invested

i beat em 2x on defense yesterday and lost defense today

[whole shell]

Got scarlet from pilgrim mold, big w

Anything new that has been unlocked for me?

Current def teams are:

Noise/Rapu/S.Anis/Bay/Centi
Crown/Liter/Emi/Pepper/Maiden
Blanc/SBS/Noir/Anis/Jackal

Scar skills are 5/4/4(mainly because I want to save mats for cindy) and she has 1 ol gear with 74% ammo

[grizzled bone]

it could help your defenders survive with biscuit's s2

[final tendon]

oof

i can't drop alice rn either

i drop 30k cp if i put biscuit instead of crown

considering using gems to refresh once but also meh

[grizzled bone]

well you can pair scarlet with jackal now. That's a big thing

[grizzled bone]

oh specifically for that opponent? not sure without maybe looking ar your box

[final tendon]

2nd team and then my auto garbage

i really gotta build s.anis but cinderella

[grizzled bone]

oh this is spa?

send their other teams?

[final tendon]

i half forgot to make this 3rd team and half figured it'd be pointless

[whole shell]

Unfortunately right now liter is gonna have more atk that scarlet due to more ol's and a singular atk line

So no scarjack yet, unless I replace emi

[grizzled bone]

what if you position it as jackal in p1 and scarlet in p2 to take advantage of defending RH targeting P1? Can use blanc in p3 to give indom

their alice team shouldn't burst so it should need minimally 1 dps unit to kill unless that's their cp gap team

[final tendon]

Yeah the Alice team has no burst so I feel like I’m pretty safe

Oh wait yeah that is the gap team. Can’t check unless I refresh

[grizzled bone]

usually the counter to single target dps is defender+biscuit

[final tendon]

Might yolo and try it bc that sounds promising

[grizzled bone]

nah save your gems. Anniv is tomorrow soon

[final tendon]

true

I should still have a pretty safe 7-10 rank so yeah good call

[vapid lake]

remember to kill someone 5 seconds before maintenance drops so you have 8 hours of high rank chip income

[final tendon]

If I open the gem rabbit hole I’ll be tempted again in the future too

[vapid lake]

pvp bros

[ashen urchin]

Safe to ol og anis for pvp def?

[summer copper]

if you got rocks to spare sure

[ashen urchin]

I mean only to cp pad really

OL would give roughly 30k cp? On all 4 pieces?

[grizzled bone]

kind of? With Rumani release though its questionable

[ashen urchin]

Lotta investment for a SR

[ashen urchin]

I guess I'll wait till next reset when Rumani gets added to pool. I have 100 reg tix to go and maybe she pops on my wishlist

I'll see how my def fairs for the rest of the day and hope I don't drop

[grizzled bone]

Rumani is a good replacement for ogAnis for battery in current pvp and cp padding potential is much higher. Of course you have to pull Rumani first, so up to you YMMV

[summer copper]

but anis also got share damage and whatnot

[grizzled bone]

hmm well i know your pvp knowledge is up there i'm sure you've thought of different line ups you could do. You're already using your top dps options

[grizzled bone]

that's true as well for her S2

[keen vapor]

Problem is, Rumani has the lowest burst gen of the clip RL units, and anis the highest

[keen vapor]

That activates after too many seconds for pvp

[grizzled bone]

i would say that depends on your teams and match ups but

you're right most matches dont last that long

[grizzled bone]

well but then we're arguing CP padding vs burst gen and which would be more effective for defense

all subjective and has many factors to make a case depending on account to account

you could argue Rumani for defense to pad cp and then ogAnis for attacking for burst gen but eh

[keen vapor]

This guy avoids clip RLs

[grizzled bone]

cuz he can/that's his choice?

solid teams

[keen vapor]

Too solid*

Can't beat

The others CP gaps by 3 CP benchmarks

My PVP gaming is currently doomed

[whole shell]

I mean, it's still better than clip sg and better than base emi though

[keen vapor]

Base Emi deals good damage

[whole shell]

Fair

[grizzled bone]

are you hoarding?

[quasi prism]

[keen vapor]

I needed to push with Naga before unhoard

[grizzled bone]

let me see your inventory

[keen vapor]

Chotto I just admitted it, that's enough

[grizzled bone]

lemme live vicariously

[keen vapor]

I'm not in game

[grizzled bone]

then when you log in

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

Data koto aru

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-bizzare-adventure-rohan-kishibe-i-refuse-gif-26066583

[raven plover]

waiting for cindy skills cus she has decoy

[rich quail]

Echo don’t be a scaredy cat

Show the man how much cd cases you have

[raven plover]

[grizzled bone]

I don't think it's the same as taunt

[raven plover]

yea it is indeed not the same with taunt, we have the example which is rei I believe I wanna see if cindy has taunt

if she has taunt, something gonna be revealed

[oblique magnet]

when defending your arena position today, remember about maintenance

[whole shell]

yeye

[keen vapor]

But, rival updated his teams with god comp after we talked about that comp 😦

[warped scaffold]

im actl a new player that js started 2 months ago lol

ill take that as a compliment 🤣

[coarse lake]

cindy's decoy actually hurts her pvp viability

even more so if she has taunt

enemy rls will get extra gen due to being able to hit 3 targets

[raven plover]

gonna see something mindblown since they havent "fix" it since day 1

[coarse lake]

behemoth rock hits cindy, cover, and decoy, so the decoy isn't a special one that prevents dmg to hp or something, it just functions as a separate cover in pvp

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/za-warudo-jojo-bizarre-adventure-power-gif-14292027

[coarse lake]

without taunt she can at least be put in p4/p5 safely

what I'm most interested in is that there's a good chance she's a very good rosanna counter

defender b3 dps, low atk until b3, likely good aoe nuke, likely good sustain dmg, low hits/sec

biscuit cindy can straight up be used against scar rosa, shotgun rosa, etc, unless decoy royally messes things up somehow

[keen vapor]

What about Cindy P1 +biscuit

[vapid lake]

She might work like 2B where she get her dmg from a HP+ buff

Doesnt rosanna delete that buff

[coarse lake]

cindy p1 will give enemy rls extra feed, and decoy dying early (if that even happens) could mess up her buffs

[keen vapor]

strange

[coarse lake]

yeah, but 2b's buff is at start of fight

so rosa removes it shortly after, but cindy's is only on b3

by then rosa would have already removed it

[vapid lake]

Cindy pvp viable

[coarse lake]

her own burst gen sucks balls though

hard to estimate from pixel measurements, but worse than regular RL for sure

[vapid lake]

there's no way she get high burst gen with a full auto RL

[coarse lake]

at 1Rl she has 0 gen due to having to charge up

the charge up is just a windup and doesn't fire anything

her per sec gen after 1RL is roughly equiv to regular RL if being optimistic (did very messy pixel measurements, roughly there, prob not that accurate)

her gen isn't that big of a deal tbh, a lot of dps have garbage gen, at least she doesn't feed jackal like most other low gen units

and she can let teammates pick up the slack

[covert lintel]

i think this is due to behemot rock being higher dmg than her decoy's hp, so it goes through

[coarse lake]

no indication of decoy breaking though

also rei decoy in pvp already functions like that, gives enemy extra gen

[thin rune]

I managed to passed the 160 wall last week

And the team that u cooked doing decent also, floating around D3-D4 right now in SP Arena

[keen vapor]

I'm saved from being demoted

[wild badge]

lets gooooo

[grizzled bone]

[umbral crown]

You are at the brink to be demoted

[keen vapor]

but why

[umbral crown]

Becauas you do not check pvp channel, just pve

[keen vapor]

I do

[umbral crown]

Do you?

[keen vapor]

I'm here after all : pepeh:

[rich quail]

https://tenor.com/view/red-button-push-button-demotion-gif-17778578

I see Caishen way more than u, Echo

[umbral crown]

need to see you more often

[keen vapor]

[rich quail]

dismissed, Private Echo

Go clean the latrines again

[rich quail]

https://tenor.com/view/creucat-creu-cat-toilet-chores-gif-18464375013742633

[soft dagger]

Where can I insert laplace(treasure) in my def teams?

[late schooner]

Does the team that bursts first nearly always win or are there ways to play around it bursting second

[spiral onyx]

Cinderella could be very interesting.
Cinderella effectively does double damage with her autos. Her decoy can be a drawback cause it lets the opponent generate burst faster so she needs to be put in P4. Her burst is like SSakura but much stronger, plus the HP->ATK conversion. Since she also attacks very fast, she could also potentially have very high burst gen as a RL as well.

[vapid lake]

Her s2 need 36 sec to stack to full power so her burst wont hit for 10297% in pvp but somewhere lower

I hope she good in pvp

[potent ermine]

I don't wanna pull rumani tho

[vapid lake]

Just wishlist cope like me

[raven plover]

no taunt hell yea

[potent ermine]

I skipped

Rouge and have no mast

[vapid lake]

Bro aintnoway im building mast for next SR

Not enuff skill books

[ruby iris]

Should I replace Noir with Rumani? Noir got 35k cp, Rumani 22k (her skills are still at 1/1/1)

[ruby iris]

Wait are Rouge and Mast that good for cindy?

[mild moat]

how to beat?

already using noise noah emi for a different team

[late schooner]

Just make sure you beat two of the SP teams, third fight can be thrown vs their strongest team

[mild moat]

I'm forced to cede the first game cause massive cp deficit.

[raven plover]

cindy 1st skill boost her own atk based on her final max HP. mast boosts HP by uh 86% iirc. and yea, rogue boost max HP too so..

[ruby iris]

Damn I didn't know mast buffed that much

[tawny vine]

have we ever seen decoy before? curios if it taunts

[raven plover]

yes, but taunts and decoy are 2 diff things. decoy alone doesnt taunt

because.. taunt and decoy has "bug" that they still havent fix, for pvp

[tawny vine]

welp guess I'll watch what happens in my bracket with her release

[fervent gorge]

Does the decoy also attacks

[graceful grotto]

Cindy fast charge is activated right after her first 100% charged attack right?

Not burst right?

[ancient bison]

Biscuit value getting better and better for every they release new unit

[graceful grotto]

In pvp, she's already top, in PvE, not so much changes to her not so good value

[raven plover]

no, but it counts as "extra unit", so for pvp RLs get extra burst gen hitting units with decoy

[stone iris]

Looks busted if* she is clip RL

Oh I didn't see keripo posted her kit already

[cedar minnow]

Can someone helps me with some teams for sp arena? And cinderella/grave will be useful in sp arena? I will pull for them

[stone iris]

We don't know about the new units yet. I usually wait for keripo's viability discussion

[graceful grotto]

She's not clip

[graceful grotto]

Dk how Cindy functioned yet, so far looks great but still won't be sure

[stone iris]

Booooo but her burst gen sounds fast on paper

[graceful grotto]

Indeed

If her +100% CS is activated right after her first attack

Her burst gen will be crazy

[vapid lake]

There's no way they will give her normal burst gen with such a fast firing speed

[cedar minnow]

and a question, maybe I am just stupide, but how can I see if a shotgun is clip or not?

[vapid lake]

Just wait until she out then ppl can test it

[graceful grotto]

Imagine her CS with normal RL CS

[stone iris]

Does it work through whiffed rockets?

[graceful grotto]

From her showcase

But that's normally not 100%

Though Cindy is 90% not gonna be clip RL given how her kit works

[stone iris]

I was looking at something else o.o

[graceful grotto]

We all are

[stone iris]

Large distraction

Let me rewatch for science

[cedar minnow]

Nono, I mean also for other nikkes.. For example the difference between naga and drake?

[vapid lake]

Again remember to kill someone in pvp today before maint starts to guarantee 8 hours of higher rank chips

[graceful grotto]

The way they reload, clip meaning they're partial reloading

Like for centi, she reloads 2 bullets at a time with faster reloading speed as compare to Emilia, who reloads her whole magazine

So centi is a clip RL and Emilia is RL

Same goes for Shotgun

[cedar minnow]

Ohhh, thanks! Now I see

[stone iris]

Looks like Cinderella reloads the whole magazine

[cedar minnow]

Now I have only to understand the "positioning" in pvp, and which Nikke I have to prioritize for pvp. I know that Keripo did a great tier list.. But there aren't a "overall big 3 teams for pvp"?

[stone iris]

Big 3 teams for defense?

[cedar minnow]

yes, and I know that the "attack" sometimes depends on the opponent teams.. But overall the "best" 3 attack teams?

[raven plover]

there are 2 imo

[ancient bison]

Scarlet + Jackal & Biscuit + S. Anis

[cedar minnow]

Just to see a "model" to """""copy""""" and understand why that team is good

[raven plover]

scarlet, blanc, SR anis, redhood, jack

noah, biskit, dps, rapun, centi

these 2 teams should eat most teams including rosanna

enemy team has SG / ar / smg? scarjack

enemy has sbs redhood scarlet alice? noah biskit dps

[stone iris]

I just learn counters to DPS units and then trial and error against their supports

[raven plover]

yea thats pretty much how I learned to counter stuffs. checking their dps, what b2, then what b1

[vapid lake]

meanwhile me, as a scarletless player

[stone iris]

Also 3 attack teams isn't very efficient. You can run two attack teams and keep all the priority units on them while defense has to spread out their investments to 15 units.

[cedar minnow]

For example I was using

1. blanc, summer anis, bisky, pepper, anis
2. drunk scarlet, scarlet bs, centi, rapunzel, jackal
3. bay, redhood, noise, drake, sugar

I don't know if there are good teams, to be honest. I use them both for atk and def.. 🥲

[cedar minnow]

. are my nikke now

[stone iris]

RIP no noah

[cedar minnow]

Yep, I really want her now ahahah

[stone iris]

Those are your attack teams right?

[cedar minnow]

attack and defend, I am not good at making teams.. So I was using them for both

[raven plover]

that looks fine but you prolly want to move noise on bay team to p1 (position 1) so noise, bay, redhood, drake, sugar. at least if noise dies redhood doesnt use her 2nd skill, which what happen to your current bay team

but yea for atk just ask here MA will help you

[cedar minnow]

but with noise, bay, redhood, drake, sugar I will not lose the first burst of rh that boost atk to all the teams? is worth the change?

[raven plover]

yea I get it that you want to use RH atk boost but if bay dies RH will use her b2, that might kill her fast while the noise one if noise isnt die for example, at least you get bay protection + noise heal for a while

[cedar minnow]

Ok, I get it

[raven plover]

if noise dies, you get RH buff and bay b2

[cedar minnow]

So there are other change that I can do for defense?

[cedar minnow]

And I read now, sorry but English is not my first language so sometimes I confuse something. "MA" is someone or an acronym, etc. I feel stupid for asking, but I feel even stupider for not doing it maybe 😂

[raven plover]

its acronym, Military Academy, basically people with more knowledge than plebs like us

[cedar minnow]

Compared to me you are sensei ahahah

[raven plover]

you will get there eventually. all the resources on pins are pretty much everything you need to know, it looks overwhelming but once you get the basic you are good to go

[mighty haven]

4th and 5th are unofficial guild buddies kek

[raven plover]

[graceful grotto]

just realise u dont have MA, that's a surprise

[raven plover]

nah Im still learning not MA worthy

[rich quail]

hoboman da besssssssss

[umbral crown]

[mighty haven]

Rosy suddenly toppled

[gaunt sentinel]

nice i win top 3

[mighty haven]

Watch as it gets sniped 1 minute before reset

[gaunt sentinel]

staph

[crystal surge]

Suggestion?

[umbral crown]

🎈

[keen vapor]

Checking

[keen vapor]

Now we getting AR clip

[graceful grotto]

huh? for real?

[raven plover]

grave yea

[mighty haven]

Oof

[keen vapor]

Noir is there for burst gen bud

[graceful grotto]

dkw at arena is no good, u have any other unit? and who r u facing against?

[wild patio]

we are sniping before maintenance eh bois?

[keen vapor]

I'm not too weak

[graceful grotto]

i just got sniped 10 mins ago lol

snipe the dude back

[ruby iris]

Yeah but Rumani should have more burst gen as well

[ruby iris]

The team with Alice is my weakest team in defense, so I'm trying to make it a little bit stronger

I'm the target of a pvp gemmer

He spent like 800 gems just to get my place for today lol

[wild patio]

@wise horizon I see you

[mighty haven]

3 accs defended to last min:
C1 SEA Main
C10 NA Alt1
C6 NA Alt2

[dull zephyr]

Need some advise on def comps, keep losing to ppl 15 levels below me. Have basically every pvp focused nikke except rumani. Don't know who I should aim to raise though. Current team is:
Scarlet, C. Anne, Centi, Anis, Jackal
Noah, Pepper, S. Anis, Rapunzel, Noise
Blanc, Emilia, Redhood, Noir, Biscuit

[graceful grotto]

what's ur current team like?

[umbral crown]

snipe failed, 100% sure

[umbral crown]

imagine sniping

[keen vapor]

Sorry C1 sir :pepeh:

[keen vapor]

Literally didn't even tried. @umbral crown

[mighty haven]

We all bow down to Rosy

[umbral crown]

[wild patio]

https://tenor.com/view/back-off-this-is-my-swamp-shrek-shreks-swamp-gif-12025865

[umbral crown]

but the custom to snipe before maint

[wild patio]

based

[mighty haven]

My SEA and NAs were dead

[keen vapor]

[umbral crown]

🎈

[quasi prism]

@terse abyss

Can't defend against that number 2 fella I lose to him, but I can beat him in attack.

Took number 2 back from em before maint started

[terse abyss]

whats ur team currently?

my defense team beat his offense a week ago and he never tried to face me again lol

@quasi prism

[quasi prism]

It's what caishen suggested

First flex slot has crown i think

Second flex is alice i think

Could be swapped though

But everyone else below rank 3 can't get past me so not too terribly worried about it.

Plus... we'll see how things look after I do my pulls.

[summer copper]

so how's Cinderella?

[vapid lake]

[quartz prawn]

scarlet + cindi

[wild badge]

PvP update added replays

[quaint idol]

How good is cinderella in pvp?

[graceful grotto]

fr?

[wild badge]

yeah, if you go to the bottom left after you've completed an attack, you can watch the replay

[graceful grotto]

sweet

[heady rose]

is this team any good for rookie arena?

[strange linden]

can you see your defense replay?

that would be a big of a deal

[wild badge]

Dunno, have to wait to see me getting attacked first lmao

wait actually, I did get attacked already

lemme check I'm in the story thing rn

Nah it doesn't look like you can watch replays of defense replays, only attacks atm

[strange linden]

yeah figured, it would be a big of a deal otherwise

[ruby iris]

sorry I was waiting for the maintenance

[ruby iris]

the alice team is the worst one atm

I just got cindy and I have mast and Rouge

(I already sent my nikkes btw)

[lunar pawn]

ok I'm here, how's cindy in pvp? any good tests done yet?

[mighty haven]

getting other team within 15.4% and slower RL still stomped

[lunar pawn]

are you bragging about that fight?

[mighty haven]

within gap, and no

purely testing

[lunar pawn]

need better match ups

[mighty haven]

trying to find people with proper comps, rookie still refreshing

[lunar pawn]

yea

[mighty haven]

however can probably replace scarlet

[lunar pawn]

how are her decoys working in the matches?

[mighty haven]

hard to tell, shes not taking brunt of damage

[lunar pawn]

get her to eat a scarlet nuke, for science

[tawny vine]

a new whale has woken up

[ruby iris]

Do you think she might be SSS in pvp?

I got her and could get her to 10/10/10

[last crater]

cindy team on that cp gap, not max gear yet being defender is so good to pair with bisquit and that damage she is completely obliterate enemy

[raven plover]

[mighty haven]

My SPA buddy already gacha-ed

[thorn pagoda]

don't have to record every match from now on. nice

[raven plover]

thats already there before update

[wild badge]

oh really? I never do that

[last crater]

her decoy shield is also so huge it makes her like having 2 lifepoints

[tropic summit]

question for cindy, is her burst charge as good as other RLs or better?

[last crater]

she has no burst gen

[spare whale]

hmm I wonder if Cinderella is good for pvp

[tropic summit]

so as bad as a rifle or literally 0?

[last crater]

here the clarify video what cindy burst gen looks like

[keen vapor]

0.0134% or something

[tropic summit]

holy crap, so she essentially needs the jackal/centi combo

[last crater]

but she has so much hp due her decoy

[last crater]

#pvp-arena message look at her yellow damage number taken and hp bar, she is tanking so much from her s2 skill and destroying the other team

[tropic summit]

and considering the CP deficit she shouldn't even live that long, anyone else would potentially be deleted

[thorn pagoda]

everybody is wondering that right now lmao

[last crater]

there was a bisquit but yeah, still she is tanking like 3.6mil damage with her decoy

level 0 gear

[tropic summit]

yeah literal fire

[thorn pagoda]

now to obtain 3 stars

or 7

[last crater]

bare in mind grave is coming in a week

[thorn pagoda]

true. we need to wait for the results to see who is best at pvp before using recruitment vouchers

[sage ermine]

no way she has 0 regen

[last crater]

in comparism this is jackel also rl nikke and this was 9sec in battle vs 8sec in battle cindy

[tropic summit]

yeah that limits the teams she can be in drastically

[strange linden]

oh yeaaaah she's defender ! it's so over lmaoo

[strange linden]

uuh, that's a bug right?

not having a busted burst gen is a bit of a shame but not surprising but no gen at all??

[last crater]

i mean i pretty like it that she is defender, that makes her really great with bisquit and reduce the ammount of pilgrim attacker gear that i need to farm

[last crater]

its resonable for me cause she shoots pretty fast as a rocketlauncher char and it would be abit to broken cause after 1 full charge she removes her chargespeed and shoots instantly

that passive is pretty insane

[livid pasture]

So is she good or not??

[dim sapphire]

no burst gen so literally the worst pvp unit

[last crater]

is tanky and does insane damage, she is pretty good and being defender is great cause bisquit prevent her from dying ontop with her decoy

[blazing stag]

Will this team be ok for PvP

Or can someone help me make a team for PvP

[last crater]

these team already pretty good, for team 3 i would recommed you running another burst gen defender on p5 slot to prevent sg team slaying your team

[patent dove]

naa she doesnt even have gear yet

and i was 30k power behind

[oak acorn]

cinderella have the save problem like SSakura in pvp, againts noah she just straight useless, even with all in RL you cannot outburst first before enemy noah does..
againts non noah she just kill everything

[patent dove]

well yeah, but if you have noah too it still worked for me

cause even after her burst, her aoe is still good

[last crater]

it dosnt work agains noah teams, she relies to much on burst damage

[final tendon]

drake should be an easy reset right

[last crater]

if this happends you straight up lose no matter what

[final tendon]

i used her a lot when i first started but i barely use her now

never* might be better

[patent dove]

well yeah, but can you try by picking noah too?

[last crater]

she is still pretty good pvp unit

[patent dove]

or am I missing something?

[final tendon]

i'd prob keep her at 444 if i continue to use her for pvp yeah

but she's also not any teams rn so

i think i'm safe to reset

[last crater]

i dont have any tries left but noah cant help you out there cause iam not dying agains scarlet wipes where i need to use noah and cindy basic damage is not enough to take out an entire team

[oak acorn]

i tried similar comp like you, but replace alice with Laplace instead, Laplace normal dmg still better than Cinderella, both doll SR15 both have 30 atk OL

[patent dove]

aight thanks!

[oak acorn]

will try againts OG scarlet tmr, run out ticket

[patent dove]

well still extremely good pvp unit but not necessarily for main team if I understood right?

although it still looked pretty good in the vid, as she tanks a bit more

[strange linden]

oh so Noah's values goes up again

[oak acorn]

yeah, very good for attacking, but for defense people will just slap noah, who knows maybe not, if you dont have anyone else she is good for defense, the problem is she relies on her burst, so you want to pair it with jackal, but jackal already with drunk scarlet, soo

[patent dove]

mhmm yeah

[last crater]

without burst damage damage is pretty bad

[patent dove]

and if you then replace maybe rapunzel with another dps?

to equalize that disparity outside of burst?

or is that just not worth it?

[last crater]

it must me something that is defender on p5 otherwise team is just dying agains sg nikke

[livid marsh]

What red hood nuke team?

[junior sun]

I'm guessing Jackel is better than Moran for pvp?

[patent dove]

how tanky is cind? she cant be on p5 then i assume?

[patent dove]

afaik in almost any scenario yea

[last crater]

without burst damage she can only take out 1 nikke

[patent dove]

k thanks for the infos!

[junior sun]

I see, though I'll still keep Moran around for the 3 teams

[patent dove]

ye I think morans a good tank

[patent dove]

https://www.prydwen.gg/nikke/tier-list
you can check this for general stuff too I think

[lunar pawn]

any thoughts on cindy for arena now?

[patent dove]

from what I saw, op af - but noah co**blocks

[lunar pawn]

noah counters everything except emilia

didn't expect any less

how's cindy's burst gen

[last crater]

damage pretty rough

[oblique magnet]

scroll up a bit ~ there is a video , the answer is apparently practically zerp, lol

[last crater]

good agains everything that dosnt have noah in it even works agains bisquits, jackels and blancs

[lunar pawn]

get noah'd

[junior sun]

So, singles I can probably do a team of

Jackel, Noah, maybe Cinderella, Sbs, Red Hood (cp padding)

[lunar pawn]

so her burst gen is crap?

[junior sun]

I'm not too into pvp tho

[oblique magnet]

#pvp-arena message

[lunar pawn]

mmm that seems like a bug though

was it reported yet?

[quasi prism]

@terse abyss how'd your pulls go?

[raven plover]

so cindy is really good to force them use noah?

[lunar pawn]

how hard does she hit though

only vids/examples I saw of her in action are vs pepega defenses or getting noah blocked

[last crater]

if not noah than even with decent cp gap she obliterate enemy

trough jackel

[lunar pawn]

dayum she cooked hard, how built is yours?

[lunar pawn]

ol lines?

the main reason she's defender: for biscuit

[last crater]

not that great

[lunar pawn]

oh dayum

I really should test w mine then

[last crater]

she has final atk scaling so 4atk lines + elemental lines is the way

[wild badge]

yeah, I was telling Hobo that I don't really use that feature, or it became more apparent to me with the new ui we got this update

[lunar pawn]

yea that's why I wanna test mine

you're going on strike for them not releasing CA?

I understand, say no more

still gotta improve some values but getting there

[graceful grotto]

Yeah

She's AR disguised as RL

[lunar pawn]

really low is an understatement

she wishes she was AR

[pastel owl]

any thougts on undying cindy+biscuit comp

[lunar pawn]

I mean, she's a defender, so biscuit is a no brainer

[pastel owl]

2 decoy + biscuit is like 4x hp + 10s invul

on paper

[last crater]

that is after 61 stones

[lunar pawn]

🤝

[last crater]

have to farm for grave now cause she looks insane for pve content

[umbral crown]

yeah, will be working on it this weekend

[lunar pawn]

yea should prob save for grave now as well

[mild moat]

sorry for obvious question, but Cinderella is one of the best pvp and new rapunzel isnt yeha?

[loud sonnet]

Finally got noah

[last crater]

no not really, she will suffer from noah and being low hp

[mild moat]

oh really, she seems extremely good for pvp attack team, not so much defend

[last crater]

attack team sure when you can decide than she is pretty good dps

[lunar pawn]

new rapunzel is trash on auto

cindy is also good for defense, basically forces opp to waste their noah vs her, if you play your cards right

[mild moat]

so Cindy on one team Scarlett on another, really hamstring opponents choices

[sharp violet]

Is Cindy SSS tier in PVP or nah?

[last crater]

not really, there is 3 teams and only need 2 teams to win

[last crater]

nah

[raven plover]

yea

if you pair cindy with biskit, your noah is vulnerable. tough choice but surely theres a good cook

[sharp violet]

What makes you thin shes SSS tier?

[raven plover]

I was saying yea to niichan

[sharp violet]

oh

[raven plover]

I dont think shes SSS

[sharp violet]

I though she be a storm reeking havoc 😭

[last crater]

she is simular to 2B and despite that fact she is gonna only reach S rank in pvp maximum

[sharp violet]

sucks to hear tbh

[blazing stag]

Need help making teams for PvP

[last crater]

if agains right enemy 2B can also pull off and that team cindy would exactly be same as 2B

[sharp violet]

Does this apply to c7 cindy?

[last crater]

core7 cindy is 6% base stats increase + 14% mlb stats increase + bond level 40 + cp increase, thats a pretty decend difference, still it has to be on the right enemy to win

[sharp violet]

[graceful grotto]

Does Cindy feed burst gen to enemy with her decoy?

[last crater]

noah-noise-sanis-rapunzel-bsoda
scarlet-blanc-pepper-jackel-drake
xanne-alice-liter-anis-sugar

you missing few pvp nikke so team 3 is doomed to fail

[blazing stag]

Is this for the 1 team PvP or the three team PvP or both?

[last crater]

no it dosnt, if you look the videos above there is no sign of enemy getting significant faster burst

[last crater]

thats for special arena, the important arena mode that you need to care about, normal arena 1vs1 is more like an testing ground

[graceful grotto]

Is her burst gen MG level? Hahahhaa

[blazing stag]

What team should I use on the 1v1

[last crater]

its pretty much non existant yes

[last crater]

noah-scarlet-noise-jackel-laplace

[misty drum]

hi, anything that can be improved with noah + rapunzel+cindy for sp def?

[blazing stag]

Thanks buddy

[misty drum]

current teams:

[sage ermine]

have you guys tried using her on Mirror?? holyyyyy she is missing every shot its like she doesn't wanna hurt herself

or maybe she's just bad at hitting moving target

[stone iris]

ooo is your cindy full OL +5?

[sage ermine]

2

got no mats

surely the devs will fix this right?

she's missing every shot on moving target

[last crater]

compare to scarlet its still decend

[sage ermine]

i can reach stage 6 easy with Scarlet+SAnis

but if Cindy is not missing her shots she'll probably deal more

can reach 2,3m with this team just use liter though not Rouge

btw any news on her pvp capabilities?

[stone iris]

my cindy does 0 damage on normal pve maps because the projectile speed is pretty bad

[sage ermine]

ikr every shot is missing

[stone iris]

i used her today against rosanna teams and I won pretty hard

i need a larger sample size though

i have difficulties against blanc teams with cindy.

[terse abyss]

Really good tbh, got crown, another copy of red hood, 3 Cinderellas and Noah. So many options kinda overwhelmed tbh

[quasi prism]

sick

I'm waiting on my 2 buddies before I pull

[terse abyss]

I don't really mind if u fight my team, kinda wanna test some teams

[sage ermine]

not bad

its not instant nuke but i guess that was good

[patent sail]

Thanks , I got Cinderella and og rapunzel, should I use them?

[grizzled bone]

oh i was mentioned

hello pvp gang

[quaint idol]

cindy burst gen in pvp bad?

[grizzled bone]

there are better options than Rapulter, she has low burst gen as a SR user as of right now so it's hard to argue to use her as a buffer
as for Cindy, your mileage may vary. If you pulled and are investing then yes why not

for your specific case however, breaking 160 wall is a priority to be more competitive in pvp

[grizzled bone]

yes

[quaint idol]

dang

[stone iris]

is it because no AoE?

[grizzled bone]

i guess that could be a part of it. She just has a unique weapon categorized as RL

it was guessed earlier before release that she would have bad burst gen. Trying to make a 2RL team with her would require pretty much 4 clip RL/best burst gen units

[fiery walrus]

Best teams for ranked?

[dusty tulip]

What team could I use for special arena?

[grizzled bone]

please repost your roster from the nikke tab sorted by power and in horizontal mode.
Screens from the synchro device can be put in any order and does not give an accurate impression of your investment/power

[grizzled bone]

rookie or spa?

[dusty tulip]

Like this?

[fiery walrus]

The one that requires 3 teams

[fiery walrus]

Both ig

My teams are very outdated💀

[grizzled bone]

you only have around 18 units in synchro though... that's not really a lot to work with for spa teams

[grizzled bone]

yes

[misty drum]

could i get a cook too please 🙏

[fiery walrus]

I have like 20 slots open

[gloomy shard]

I'm extremely behind, because I haven't been playing the game much lately, so I just need help forming 3 good teams

[grizzled bone]

spa def
t1 noise-cindy-biscuit-anis-flex
t2 emi-blanc-rh-flex-centi
t3 scarlet-sbs-liter-xanne-flex

this is assuming you want to use Cindy in your line up but I dont exactly recommend it as she needs more testing

[grizzled bone]

how long have you been not playing?

[sage ermine]

Crown, Liter, SBS, Alice, Naga

[gloomy shard]

If this somehow helps put it into perspective of the gaps

I used to float around top 3, this guy is still top 3, but I'm all the way in diamond now

[dusty tulip]

Would you recommend something else if Cindy doesn’t need to be involved?

[sage ermine]

oh my bad this is pvp lol

[sage ermine]

Scarlet, Blanc, Rapunzel, Anis, Jackal
Noah, Noise, Biscuit, S.Anis, Centi

Tia, Noah, Biscuit, S.Anis, Centi Probably will work

and then Noise+Cindy and just put any burst regen Nikke

[grizzled bone]

put noah, biscuit, moran in your synchro and have them at 4/4/4 skills to start

rookie def

jackal-scarlet-noah-flex-anis

spa def
t1 noah-noise-sbs-rapunzel-centi
t2 jackal-scarlet-poli-maiden-flex
t3 moran-mpriv-biscuit-dkw/flex-flex

disclaimer: because this is sorted by rarity i can't exactly tell how anis is situated in your roster. As well for the units out of synchro

[gloomy shard]

Alr, thank you 🙏

[sage ermine]

oh yeah the old teams still works

[grizzled bone]

well yes, you have 3 dps options already in better power than Cindy

[thin rune]

Any suggestion for sp arena? Updated draft, posting the team im using next cuz too many attachment

Current draft, using auto for the 3rd team (cred to @keen vapor for cooking these)

[dusty tulip]

So just replace Cindy with one of those 3?

[sage ermine]

well just build 2 teams for now you need to guarantee 2 wins, 3rd team is kinda random for me look at my Cindy i just put 3 Burst regen nikke

[grizzled bone]

spa def

t1 scarlet-blanc-liter-lappy+3-jackal
t2 moran-sanis-biscuit-flex(not noir)-centi
t3 noah-noise-cindy-rapunzel-noir/flex

this is assuming you want to use your newly acquired noah, rapu, cindy
but they're not exactly at the top of your roster yet

[grizzled bone]

spa def

t1 moran-sanis-biscuit-centi-flex
t2 noah-noise-cindy-rapunzel-flex
t3 scarlet-blanc-liter-noir-jackal

this is assuming you want to use cindy however p3 in t2 can be replaced with sbs, mpriv, etc. your choice of b3 dps

[misty drum]

will def invest in them once someone beats current. tyty

[twin pier]

cindy good on pvp?

got core 2 n her'

[sage ermine]

Yup she good

[gloomy shard]

Sounds good, thank you 🙏

[gloomy shard]

And thank you as well 🙏

[grizzled bone]

if cindy weren't used i might suggest something like
t1 emi-blanc-rh-lappy+3/noir-pepper
t2 scarlet-sbs-liter-xanne-jackal
t3 noise-crown-sanis-biscuit-rapunzel

[twin pier]

what team for her?

[dusty tulip]

Either suggestions works, right?

[grizzled bone]

yes?

[dusty tulip]

Thanks

[grizzled bone]

i'm tired

[dusty tulip]

Sorry

[grizzled bone]

not your fault I just probably shouldn't be cooking this late

if those teams dont work cuz i have brain rot at this hour ask again for help

[main parcel]

best pvp teams i can make ? ?

also need one for def : p

[half grail]

How good is Cinderella for Sp arena?

[graceful grotto]

Pretty great it seems

Only issue is burst gen

[half grail]

She not a clip RL right? Dps option?

[graceful grotto]

She's not even RL level of burst gen lol, probably Mg level

[graceful grotto]

Yeap, pair her with biscuit

[half grail]

Ahh I see so a dps role for pvp then

Idk who to reset right now

[graceful grotto]

I honestly dk how to setup my team atm

[sage ermine]

i just put Noise with her and then put 3 burst regen nikke, its kinda random really i dont really have a team for 3rd team

[fast relic]

She looks like she has literally zero burst Gen. Any chance that isn't working as intended?

Also noticed something else weird - no matter where I place Cindy (p5 excepted) the nikke to her immediate right gets targeted and nuked very quickly, even if they are in a safe position and don't have a taunt. (I.e. Cindy P3 = Noir in P4 getting splattered)

Anyone else seen this? Curious if making the position to the right of her taunt is how the decoy manifests in pvp

[real abyss]

def team and possibly 2 attack teams?

[copper creek]

lmao

[thorn pagoda]

Eunhwa has an entirely different personality now 😔
that's Emma f
wrong screenshot

[late schooner]

Any whales tried hitting people with Cinderella in arena yet

[stone warren]

Can I get the best sp def for my nikkes? Got dog pile by two players 😢

[graceful grotto]

any suggestion on my defends on what to change now with cindy? is this setup ok?

[unreal latch]

cindy pvp rating ?

oh keripo hasnt made one yet

[loud sonnet]

[graceful grotto]

Probably another screen wiper but a little higher cause she's defensive unit meaning she'll be good with biscuit (maybe lower tier than scarlet but higher than ein for example)

[ancient bison]

lol Can't win with Cinderella on Rookie Arena in my Bracket, everyone using Noah + Scarlet.

[graceful grotto]

U can just use a Noah + strong DPS like Red Hood/Emilia to counter nuke them

[edgy wagon]

any suggestion for sp arena and rookie

[quartz parcel]

Need help for a PVP SP Arena and Rookie would appreciate it

[sharp violet]

good team for pvp or nah?

[agile hornet]

That team will never burst lol

[compact lintel]

I need help for my sp team, now that i finally got noah 😭

[vapid lake]

i got rumani off wishlist cope!!!

[loud sonnet]

I still don't have jackal

[vapid lake]

i'm still scarletless

it is what it is

[graceful grotto]

Good team for me to attack

[sharp violet]

if you can take them down tho

[graceful grotto]

Yeah that CP is built different

[sharp violet]

I never have to worry about getting attacked, ever

[deft pelican]

is new rapunzel good for pvp 😄

[frank spear]

How good Cindy on pvp?

[swift mango]

Cindy burst Regen? How does she fare comparing to Noise for example?

[vapid lake]

she has 0 burst gen

[swift mango]

@vapid lake what?

[vapid lake]

#pvp-arena message

[swift mango]

Worse than SR?

[vapid lake]

she has no burst gen at all

0

[swift mango]

With...

Wth*

[untold wyvern]

i thought her burst gen was really low not 0 though

wait lemme see if i can find it

[vapid lake]

watch nii-chan's clip

#pvp-arena message

[untold wyvern]

not sure how accurate this is but hope it helps :)

[swift mango]

So she is as slow as MG units... Oh well at least she doesn't feed Jackal.

There goes the invincible 2RL Cindy team though...

[swift mango]

Thanks

[languid snow]

Any good pvp team for rookie and special arena

[bleak nebula]

Can u guys suggest me 3 teams for pvp

[graceful grotto]

Where ya get this?

[quasi prism]

I core maxed cindy, got another copy of sbs and scarlet, that about sums it up lol.

[loud sonnet]

[untold wyvern]

friend sent it lol dw ill post anything else i find :)

[languid snow]

Pls help my current teams are outdated I can’t win at all

[untold wyvern]

[loud sonnet]

So cindy is not that a priority for pvp?

[tropic summit]

question on the indom mechanic, specifically blank, how do you raise the % that it lands on the character you want? I know how it should work (based on lowest HP), but sometimes it seems to proc on the wrong unit even when conditions met

[swift mango]

Then 1 hour later....

[bleak nebula]

Can u guys suggest me 3 teams for pvp

[languid snow]

Pls help

[lunar pawn]

ok day 2, how are people's tests with cindy going? is she just another 2b then?

[tropic summit]

on the vids i've seen shared so far, she's essentially a scarlet but defender, keep in mind she generates no energy on her own, so she needs teammates picking up the slack for her on that front.

Compared to scarlet, although, she's way tankier and takes longer to kill, even alone. She also synergizes with biscuit as a defender unit

[lunar pawn]

yea I've seen that as well, but nothing much after that

[tropic summit]

working on it, will share in a min

[tropic summit]

for your rookie team, if you still lose due to speed in hitting burst, consider replacing liter with another RL or any clip SG, although you should be below 2RL already

for your filler team, you don't have much else to slot, so i've went with your best available, consider using the highest CP available, it is also going to be slow on burst gen

[lunar pawn]

dude going above and beyond

[bleak nebula]

can u guys help me pls

[languid snow]

Bro cooked 🔥

Thx

[lunar pawn]

personal advice for anyone asking arena help: look into the posts/guides posted here, get a general idea, make your own teams, and post them here, then ask if they're alright or what you're doing wrong

almost nobody will want to make 1-4 teams from scratch for you, who seemingly didn't take 1s of effort of looking into how pvp works

[tropic summit]

this is also true, developing your own knowledge and then asking for tips is probably better than being served on a silver plate, although everyone gotta start from somewhere

i just happened to see his post and on lunch break, usually i don't have the time

[lunar pawn]

I mean, you can still ask for teams, but you might get ignored for hours, unless you ask how certain pvp factors work, then you'll probably get an answer in minutes

[swift mango]

T1: Cindy+Drake+Ade+Biscuits+Rumani

T2: Red hood+Maiden+Laplace+PurePunzel+Jackal

T3: Marciana+Privaty+Sugar+N102+Anis

Red Hood+

[bleak nebula]

thanks

[swift mango]

Ade is my personal bias lol, use Poli instead.

[wild brook]

whats the difference

[tropic summit]

in rookie you generally pick the strongest available combo while prioritizing burst gen, in spa you generally have 2 strong teams and a filler

hence you'll consider for example where to put a jackal, a blanc, a noah... etc

[wild brook]

ah then prob rookie

[quaint fox]

Is there any best team for rookie now?

[tropic summit]

there are a few variations, but rookie is highly suspectible to counter

you generally go for the teams that have an high win ratio or lesser counters

[quaint fox]

what is your suggestion? i tryna focus on Rookie first, then go for Special next

[tropic summit]

here a few variations:

all of these teams involve high burst gen and indom, scarlet also counters anything that isn't a sniper rifle or rocket launcher

if you've emilia, you can replace your centi/laplace with her
liter can be replaced with sanis on eletrical carry teams

there's plenty of other small variations, but generally you want at least 1 atk buffer, 1 ideally indom who's gonna get the aggro and at least 2RL burst gen, burst is favourable in most situations unless countered by a properly timed indom/noah

in case make your own teams and then just post them here to see what we can tweak for what you don't own

[quaint fox]

Erm, all these three team i also dont have 1 of them, I dont have Red hood, Lita and Emilia, sorry pal

[tropic summit]

that's fine, post what you have then we can tweak around

[quaint fox]

Thanks a lot buddy

Let me screenshot again

[umbral crown]

🎈

[drifting schooner]

is cindy good in pvp

[unkempt dock]

help me cook
only missing noah I think

[fast relic]

No matter where I place Cindy (p5 excepted) the nikke to her immediate right gets targeted and nuked very quickly, even if they are in a safe position and don't have a taunt. (I.e. Cindy P3 = Noir in P4 getting splattered)

Anyone else seen this? Curious if making the position to the right of her taunt is how the decoy manifests in pvp

[worthy lake]

Wanting to know too

[hallow trench]

guys what team should i use on arena ? and yhou think i have a good start ? I didn't get red hood

[glad meteor]

That’s an insane start

[hallow trench]

I was trying to get Red Hood out, but when Scarlet and Mdoernia came out I decided to stop.

witch ones you think should i use for pvp team on attack and def ?

[glad meteor]

Could do
Cindy Anis Scalter Pepper Neon

for defence I guess, attack teams depend on what’s on defence

[hallow trench]

in that order ?

[glad meteor]

Hmm,
Could reorder
Pepper anis cindy scalter neon now that I think about it actually

Protect B3 and you have a backup B1 in P1

Could switch B3 to scalter burst on offense depending on comps

[solid moss]

can anyone help me make a 1 rookie and 3 sp arena defense teams please

[glad meteor]

@hallow trench I reordered it. Don’t want cindy in p1/2 to give enemy extra bust gen

[swift mango]

Like none of these team being 2RL unless your opponent used MG and SG lol

[grizzled bone]

Yes this is accurate and up to date

[analog finch]

Someone help me make one last comp for special? Just came back from a break so struggling a bit with comps. Ignore the lvl 1 aspect was just clearing out the synchro device.

[fallen lion]

Hello!! What would be a good rookie arena team comp against this team?🥹 I have all the characters, but most of my characters properly raised are more PVE than PVP specialized ;-;

[umbral crown]

try changing Asuka for Red Hood and Biscuit for Noir

[half grail]

Should I OL SR Anis for pvp?

So knowing Cindi role for sp arena is dps can she fit in whereas SBS and Scarlet is positioned?

[native chasm]

Hi, can someone help with both arenas team building pls?? And if possible S.R too?? thx

[lunar pawn]

I did, she can always be of use, but it depends on the resources of the player

wouldn't recommend rerolling her OL lines though, just OL the gear

[frigid remnant]

could i get some teams for special arena?

[pseudo harbor]

Started picking up the game like a month or so ago after a bit of an extended break, unfortunately missing a bunch of the key PvP-Nikke. What's some good team options I can do for Rookie and Special? Can easily synchro some of the Lv1 Nikke too if necessary

[tropic summit]

you've some decent nikke for PvP, your problem is gonna be CP difference (if you took a long break), you aiming for diamond?

[pseudo harbor]

As high as I can reasonably get really, if that's Diamond that's enough for me

This is what I have from... back then I think, feels like there's a lot of room for improvement

And yes, CP is def an issue but I can't fix that part easily lmao

[tropic summit]

1st team is weak against scarlet, 3rd team is decent minus the cat, 2nd team is a bit too slow and weak to scarlet

we probably can work better on your 1st and 2nd team

surprised for example you're not using redhood here

[pseudo harbor]

ngl I put updating the teams off for a little bit too and wanted to do it now, so I figured I'd get some feedback and suggestions

[tropic summit]

sounds good, let me write it down for you

[quasi prism]

@terse abyss gave ya a little tap on the noggin

So you could test some teams out

[tropic summit]

i'd go with this:

team 3 you can put any of your high CP SGs, if they've any unprotected nikke in spot 1 or 5 you might kill them really early and it screws with their burst generation (or at best if they put the only tier 1 or tier 2 in that spot)

keep in mind you don't have noah and biscuit, so you'll struggle a bit the higher you go
lasty, SGs will be vulnerable to scarlet, so don't use them against her

[pseudo harbor]

I can work with that, thanks
I assume the left Nikke in team 3 is Poli?
If I do get either Noah or Biscuit, would that change either of the first two teams or would they go straight into team 3?

[tropic summit]

yes, biscuit would allow your SGs that are defender to survive in most cases, let alone it allows you to also secure blanc

as for noah, she counters scarlet and a lot of different scenarios due to 3s whole team indom

see how it goes with these teams, then we can tweak around if you start struggling once you raise, you'll probably need to adapt based on enemy lineups, team 1 should be winning most matchups that do not have an even faster burst or a well timed noah

[pseudo harbor]

Sounds good to me
I'll play around with it for a while, see how it goes and whatnot

Perhaps I get lucky with rolls too

The help is much appreciated