pvp-arena

[wheat heron]

there

[worthy lake]

Now I am a bit worry those c10 people attacking me due to I am vulnerable

[worthy knoll]

Mmh mmh.. do you have a built Rosanna? 🤔

[worthy lake]

Nope

I came from PVE side

[worthy knoll]

So that is an out..

[grizzled bone]

oof. I think you are effectively CP gapped. Enemy T2 has a weird speed. I dont think you can win this one right now

[worthy knoll]

You need Biscuit for all 3 teams to be safe but you can only slot one Biscuit

[worthy lake]

SP def :
blanc/emi/rh/bisc/centi
noise/noah/sbs/tia/jackal
rap/alice/noir/xanne/lap+

@worthy knoll Just checking my def comp okay ?

My alice is extremely invested

[worthy lake]

I have other hypercarries such as scar/Ein/sanis/drake

[wheat heron]

okay

[wheat heron]

yes, it's my downfall then... sadge

[wheat heron]

thankyou so much

[grizzled bone]

You're welcome. Sorry.

[worthy knoll]

Looks fine.. but I think you should be bursting with SAnis on T2 then SBS on T3.. Alice bursting is kinda weak now given it is just a single target that is usually focused on P1. Just a simple makima or defender taunter + biscu on P1 can thwart it

[grizzled bone]

300k CP jump is pretty big. Unlikely to win

[worthy lake]

Ok I swap out SBS > Sanis on T2 , and swap out Alice > SBS on T3.

[umbral crown]

but team 3 was a win...

[copper creek]

t2 massive penalty, cannot proceed.

have you won him already or not yet?

[worthy knoll]

Still couldn't get that frame perfect blanc death out of my mind.. those are the reason why I go max with my skills. So I won't have to think its a skill lvl issue

[worthy lake]

What skill max ?

[worthy knoll]

Rapunzel S1 and Burst maxed on mine

[worthy lake]

Oh

[copper creek]

anything i need to look at or nah

[worthy lake]

My rapunzel 10 7 4

[umbral crown]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-pet-cute-animal-appear-gif-1179011707090940810

[worthy lake]

@worthy knoll Your blanc 10 10 10 4OL lv5 ?

[worthy knoll]

Yeah since the burst was 4, my mind going maybe just need to increase Rapu burst to 7 or maybe 8 it would be fine

[worthy knoll]

Nah Blanc is 7/7/10 for me, since her skills are after burst and shield doesn't do much. But yeah its 4OL 5

[worthy lake]

I see My blanc is 4OL lv4

Maybe I should lvl 5 it

[worthy knoll]

Mmh. Up to you, in my case I have this mentality to max out everything that can help in her survivability that way I won't have to think "if only I have just more hp", "if only the heal was a bit higher" etc

If its max it just means I don't have anything to improve them on so its already the highest I could do it just means it really would not work

[umbral crown]

[worthy lake]

Okay

Then I will slowly lv5 blanc OL

[worthy knoll]

Oh right your Blanc is with SR5 doll?

[worthy lake]

Just R doll

I spent all SR15 dolls on PVE units

namely RH, SBS, Exia, Laplace, Alice, Viper

[worthy knoll]

Oh so no damage reduction too.. who are the noteable AR units again?

Kinda remember only Scarlet

[worthy lake]

Scar but she R doll

Ssakura also R doll

[worthy knoll]

Ahh guess no luck on getting AR SR doll

[worthy lake]

I came from PVE side , I have around 7 frame3 haha

[worthy knoll]

I keep getting AR and SMG SR dolls

Which I don't know who to put on

[worthy lake]

AR = Scar blanc Ssakura Tove

Dorothy

[rich quail]

What is in your opinion the best (optimal) skill invests on Blanc and Rapunzel?

I have:

Blanc: 4/4/10
Rapunzel: 7/5/5

[worthy lake]

My R dolls on = doro blanc SW priv scar tove ssakura

[rich quail]

Lend me an R SMG doll pls

[worthy lake]

Merry will help

[rich quail]

It’s for sac Mast

[worthy knoll]

I can't coz in my mind Rapunzel needs to be at least all max

[rich quail]

All max u say? Ok done

Blanc all max too?

[worthy knoll]

Nah don't follow me, I'm somehow who don't care about PVE

[rich quail]

PvE is a hinderance

You know me

pvp or nothing baybeeeeeee

[worthy knoll]

Uhh no, even I don't think maxing S1 S2 does anything for Blanc. unless you want to increase her CP

[worthy lake]

@worthy knoll as pvp perspective is there OL stats s.anis prioritize ?

[worthy knoll]

Elemental damage, Atk %

That is all, she needs, 4x of them

[rich quail]

Never EVER get max ammo for S.Anis

You get a line for max ammo, remove asap

[worthy knoll]

Well other is prolly crit rate/damage with rate better than damage

I think they already know Max ammo is always a no no for last ammo units

[rich quail]

Just checking

[worthy lake]

Gotcha

[rich quail]

Some people don’t read guides

[worthy knoll]

And pins

[rich quail]

[grizzled bone]

[grizzled bone]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-phillips-look-at-me-im-the-captain-now-gif-5038544

[umbral crown]

moran, scar, blanc,Ssakura,.. asuka maybe

[umbral crown]

give one

[grizzled bone]

idk. If Keripo hasnt even included Asuka in his tier list then is she worth using?

[umbral crown]

sounds like something i would say

[rich quail]

Sounds like something I would follow

[umbral crown]

do not even think he did a review for pvp purpose

[grizzled bone]

i think its cuz Asukas B3 is just single target

[rich quail]

Keripo’s tl;dr review on Asuka on pvp:

eh…
pve? she a’ight
MARI BEST GIRL

[worthy lake]

[grizzled bone]

we're converting Final

[worthy lake]

[umbral crown]

[rich quail]

[silk iris]

need some teams i feel like my RH is pretty solid but my SAnis isnt as strong

[grizzled bone]

you should post your roster from the Nikke tab (default sort by power). That way no units are selected and we can see which are more invested

[silk iris]

there u go

[grizzled bone]

are your teams being beaten a lot? I also don't see your T2

[silk iris]

my t2 is basically there to lose so t3 doesnt get the pvp bug

only my SAnis team is getting beat

my RH wins most of the time

[grizzled bone]

oh these are attack teams? Attack teams should be tailored to opponents defense. You can have cookie cutter teams but they wont always be optimised for success

[silk iris]

yeah this is my opponents team

[copper creek]

i do not advise running def teams on atk :
atk teams depend on enemy def - refer to pinned messages for counters, mechanic info, and other resources.
alternatively, if really necessary, send screenshots of your opponents' three def teams, with round1/2/3 buttons visible so we know team order.

if you are asking about atk, ^
if you are asking about def, just let us know

[silk iris]

my def team is different im just struggling to win my attacks'

this is my def

[copper creek]

okay, theres a bit to unpack here. you need help attacking one dude, correct ?

[silk iris]

yeah

[copper creek]

#pvp-arena message

you only sent t3

[silk iris]

these are his teams

and mine

[grizzled bone]

the reason why you're losing on T3 is because

1. the Scarlet team's speed is faster
2. your SAnis is feeding Scarlet-Jackal

[silk iris]

yeah he ults faster

like this?

[grizzled bone]

actually hold for a second

nevermind we need to tweak T3's speed if we want to beat it. T2 looks easier in comparison

@copper creek you cooking?

[silk iris]

even if i dont win its okay cuz theyre all higher level than me anyway haha]

[copper creek]

**sp - attack : **
t1: scarlet/blanc/rh/emilia/jackal
t2: - <put 1 unit on p5>
t3: noah/sbs/noise/anis/centi

for t1, scarlet needs to be linked.
quantum cube mandatory on jackal, centi, anis.

calculate deficit before attacking.
do NOT proceed if penalty.

[grizzled bone]

alright i'm done for the night then

[copper creek]

@silk iris if scarlet is NOT linked in the above t1, then:

swap emilia and centi position
level 7 quantum cube mandatory on both anis and emilia.

[silk iris]

my emilia isnt that invested is that fine

waht does being linked mean btw

[copper creek]

the two units with highest ATK (including OL gear, dolls, etc.) are linked to jackal.

if unsure, bring that the original t1 to the shooting range, and check which units have the jackal buff.

[silk iris]

yeah my scarlet is my best unit in the game so shes def linked then

[silk iris]

what cube on emilia btw with scarlet being linked? quantum?

[copper creek]

whatever cube you normally have on her.

[silk iris]

what should my minimum investment be on emilia too 4 4 4?

[copper creek]

i would not be so certain about this.

[silk iris]

yeah i just checked she got the highest atk on t1

[copper creek]

emilia : 4/7/7 (mandatory)
emilia21 : 21% CS usually comes from s1 @ lv10 + 8% from OL gear.

you do not require emilia21.

actually, for the purpose of only this attack team
emilia just 4/4/4, we're not bursting with her.

[silk iris]

okay yeah cuz my emilia is not OL at all

[copper creek]

ultimately, just be careful with cp.
again,

calculate deficit before attacking.
do not proceed if penalty. formulae in pinned.

[silk iris]

i dont think ill be penalized im number 17 hes 12

[copper creek]

idk, but worth checking anyway because he is almost 40 sync levels above you.

[silk iris]

i mean i lost to him before and i didnt get penalized

ive been trying to attack him fora coupl;e days now LOL

alright im gonna try it

[sly terrace]

the cp gap is powerful though, my strongest team is with scarlet with noir and 3 other shotguns and its tuff

[grizzled bone]

I missed your message with your roster. What comp were you using?

[rich quail]

It’s definitely doable if you are fighting a cp gap team with low burst gen and are single-target units

I beat someone’s cp team yesterday and I was at around 20% deficit

But it depends on your units and how big the deficit is

[grizzled bone]

If youre having trouble with the mod team try giving scarlet indom with blanc

I don't think I saw jackal which makes that match a little tougher.

[rich quail]

He could also use a buff if he uses someone like RH

[grizzled bone]

#pvp-arena message @rich quail this is their roster

No clip rl

[rich quail]

I only saw his opponent’s rosters

2 mg

Easily Jackal feed to get more than enough burst to do whatever

[grizzled bone]

Prime picking for scarlet but no jackal so Scarlet would have to be in p5 for s2 procs.

[rich quail]

As long as there’s Blanc, and Scarlet doesn’t die before that

That’s what I see but i’m not an expert

I would do it for science

Ok I see his roster now. For some reason it didn’t show when I clicked on it

No RH it seems

[grizzled bone]

No Rh either or clip rl

[rich quail]

Liter could be a buffer if she bursts, right?

[grizzled bone]

Actually I see a lonely Centi.

@rich quail does b soda give buffs? I'm in bed and can't check

[rich quail]

You could probably use Centi for enough burst gen

[rich quail]

I don’t use B.Soda at all

trauma

[grizzled bone]

Damn I thought you studied your trauma

[rich quail]

You can’t study trauma if you don’t want to relive it

[grizzled bone]

Face your fears. Think you can help cook this one?

[rich quail]

It says her two skills offer buffs during Full Burst

[grizzled bone]

Hmm

[rich quail]

Sorry b1 only

I gotta go tho

u got this

[mild moat]

no i haven't done this yet. what would you change

[grizzled bone]

I'm sleeping tho

[grizzled bone]

Were any of these losing?

[sly terrace]

all but the first team, yes

[grizzled bone]

If your scarlet was losing on T1 she needs to be on p5 for counter attacks. Something like x-blanc-liter-x-scarlet. Scarlet doest necessarily need to burst. But the unit bursting should have an AoE such as B Soda
T2 has 2RL speed. If you use Noah and make it fast as possible with clip RL units such as anis and centi, it could work. E.g. noah-anis-sbs-volume-centi
T3 is slow enough where I think if you even burst with Privaty it would punish

[sly terrace]

should i keep t3 as is?

[grizzled bone]

You said the cp gap was a lot right? Calculate deficit before attacking by taking the lower CP (yours) and dividing it by the enemy's to get a percentage. If it's equal to 15 or greater you take a penalty.

If your 2nd team has a chance then skip T3 since its higher CP and put 1 unit in P5

If it's not happening tonight ping me tomorrow or I guess later today depending where you are and I could help some more

[thorn pagoda]

bunny Soda is OP if your opponent doesn't have Noah. if they do have Noah, she isn't very effective:((

[rich quail]

I know

I just know

[pastel narwhal]

[sacred sigil]

can someone help me build def teams?

@worn field

help build def teams

[tawny vine]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-ah-shit-cj-gta-gta-san-andreas-gif-13933485

[sacred sigil]

I wish I was whel...

I guess im doomed again
since some of nikkes are not OL'ed...

[copper creek]

kekw

[grizzled bone]

send your roster from the Nikke tab in horizontal mode. Sort by default/power

[sacred sigil]

[thorn pagoda]

in my bracket, you can only lose -3 or win +3 places on the leaderboard. how are you going up +11 and down -8?

[sacred sigil]

[thorn pagoda]

does that happen once you reach level 300 or something

[sacred sigil]

I have the lowest cp diff in that ranks

so anyone 1-30 ranks can hit me

[thorn pagoda]

damn

didn't know that happened in special arena

[glad meteor]

You’re in challenger. The diamond brackets are larger

[sacred sigil]

1.6M cp team compared to 1.9M-2.5M

[thorn pagoda]

ffff

[sacred sigil]

[thorn pagoda]

so it's actually more beneficial to be in the top 10

[crystal flicker]

what even +3 -3

[sacred sigil]

maybe he iz talking about rookie arena?

no nvm

its same result with me

[crystal flicker]

even in rookie I got somehere around +7

[sacred sigil]

I climbed higher

[grizzled bone]

also send what teams you're currently using

[sacred sigil]

then go lower

[crystal flicker]

why

[crystal flicker]

I can't go any lower in SPA lol

[crystal flicker]

I can't even attack people

[sacred sigil]

yah

only rookie happen where you can atk lower rank

[copper creek]

just so i dont give u the same sht, what r u currently running on def?

[thorn pagoda]

i've been in the top 10 for months so i've forgotten what it's like lol

[sacred sigil]

this

[grizzled bone]

Tia-Blanc-Rh-Noir-Pepper
Noah-Rapu-SBS-Biscuit-Anis
Scarlet-XAnne-Noise-Centi-Jackal

[sacred sigil]

I wish I was in your bracket

[thorn pagoda]

we're about to reach level 300 in this server

you're way ahead

[sacred sigil]

but im late

this sp arena give unfair treatment
giving me in this pile of whels with higher cp that me

[thorn pagoda]

you'll catch up if you get this
it will just take awhile

[sacred sigil]

me f2p
I can't

[thorn pagoda]

only buy core dust from the recycling shop

[sacred sigil]

been doing that since coop happens

[thorn pagoda]

only use these when hard mode is unlocked so you can get even more core dust

[sacred sigil]

I stole top 10 again

[sacred sigil]

yah I know that also

Idk if I have bad investment in pvp units or bad team built

Since they can take mine...

[grizzled bone]

this is my cook for SP Def:
T1 Blanc-SBS-Rh-Biscuit-Centi
T2 Noah-Noise-Scarlet-Rapu-Jackal
T3 Ein-XAnne-Noir-Liter-Anis

I do not recommend defense teams for attacking

you can use this team for now or wait for @copper creek's better cook

[sacred sigil]

Oki

Yah since 2 teams iz only I need to win

[grizzled bone]

usually is lol

[grizzled bone]

oh you are cp gapped

[sacred sigil]

Yah

I can show you my previous fight with top10 again

[grizzled bone]

must be nice

[grizzled bone]

you have a recording?

[sacred sigil]

https://streamable.com/ej7po6

[grizzled bone]

good stuff

[sacred sigil]

Alice team just throw away

I invested noise but I can't use him much...

I should just invested jackal or biscuit

[copper creek]

i get back to this when im home

[sacred sigil]

My pvp units have 6/6/6 in their skills and burst
But some are only t9 lv5

[copper creek]

out having a (couple of) drink(s) atm

[sacred sigil]

[wheat heron]

[pastel narwhal]

:forgsip:

[rich quail]

kanna

sip

*pours out a 40 for @keen vapor *

[strange quail]

Hello everyone, any suggestion to beat this guy ? Thank you

[mighty haven]

*please god let me break the 160 wall soon

[covert lintel]

https://streamable.com/mu0t9q

[strange quail]

[rustic sandal]

Back to challenger 1 at new pools!

Its not as bad as i thought.. i actually can attack them.. lol

[paper cloud]

@peak lagoon let me know next time if you got bullied by Slaine, I can beat his team

[paper cloud]

Wheileen

[rustic sandal]

Ohhhh egseee

[elder cosmos]

guys how does he have more damage?

[strange quail]

please

[elder cosmos]

does Soline have that much damage or what

[strange quail]

I am not an expert, but you should put Alice on slot 3 to get her burst, also remove Rei from the team since she is kinda not good. Also Moran is kinda not good here because you have more than enough defensiveness already

[glad meteor]

Rei nuke is decent

[wild patio]

[umbral crown]

Waos, nice cook

[umbral crown]

Imagine waiting last few hours to hit C1

[sly terrace]

alright im here, im thinking about doing this, 3rd teams whatever cus of deficiency

[wild patio]

better late than never

[umbral crown]

Ts always the same every season

[sly terrace]

nvm i stole some other shmucks spot

[umbral crown]

Do it from the start, whats the fear to success

[umbral crown]

[sly terrace]

im gonna wait on my last attempt to cockblock him

[sacred sigil]

🐳

[rustic sandal]

You are here too

[sacred sigil]

because im finding a whel hiding

[rustic sandal]

Im not a whale.. look at the cp

[sacred sigil]

whel
much better than me

[rustic sandal]

Sadge

Maybe one of them are here too 👀

[sacred sigil]

ravi stole my slot again

[rustic sandal]

That pool must be tough

[sacred sigil]

I forgor to change my def teams

[sacred sigil]

yah im under much cp but can fight

[rustic sandal]

Duhhhhhh very sad

Mine is much better %

[sacred sigil]

welp

nikke decide to let me join whel arena

[rustic sandal]

Bad luck

[sacred sigil]

1-30 much higher cp than me

[rustic sandal]

[sacred sigil]

imagine staying at top 10-20

[rustic sandal]

So before was better?

[sacred sigil]

nah
its always like this

[rustic sandal]

Lmao sadge

What can we do

[sacred sigil]

since the start of nikke
im always the lowest cp

[rustic sandal]

Not because of you, but whale fellas out there

I prob have one real whale there.. the no 4 guy

[sacred sigil]

[strange quail]

please help

[sacred sigil]

[rustic sandal]

Actually you should make 2 attack team...
Enemy scarlet team should be skipped

Idk if you using your defense team to attack

I cant cook, so maybe someone here can help you 🤭

[sacred sigil]

just copy mine
1st throw
2nd team scarlet blanc anis RH jackal
3rd team noah biscuit sbs rapu centi

[strange quail]

yeah, the shotgun attacking last place nikke messing Blanc buff

[rustic sandal]

^that might works

[strange quail]

I dont have noah sadly

[rustic sandal]

Mega sadge

[strange quail]

that is the only missing piece of mine tho, have literally everything else (beside 2B)

[rustic sandal]

I still missing rapunzel and emilia (if it counted)

Maybe can copy this.. my universal attack team..
Able to attack those whale on my pools..
But idk who replacing noah there

Altho universal attack team isnt adviseable 😅

[sacred sigil]

who have the higher invest in you
Tia or noise?

[strange quail]

Both same investment

Tia have higher skill at 9 4 4

Noise is 444

[rustic sandal]

Actually Bay is buget noah..
You have her?

[glad meteor]

Skipped? Or joined later

[sacred sigil]

use tia to replace noah

[rustic sandal]

Not emilia.. but Rapunzel.. i hope she coming soon

[strange quail]

you mean normal anis in team 2 right ?

[sacred sigil]

yah

[strange quail]

I can replace anis with Emilia right ? my anis have too low CP to create a big deficit

[sacred sigil]

cp doesn't matter if you didn't reach 15%

also anis don't need much investment

you only need her burst gen

[strange quail]

I think it is more than 20% with my Anis

[strange quail]

and only 10% with my Emilia

[sacred sigil]

can I see the team and enemy cp?

per team

[sacred sigil]

16%....

[sacred sigil]

this ded

[strange quail]

Not having Noah after 1 year playing this game is really putting me in big disavantage

[sacred sigil]

whats your anis skill?

[sacred sigil]

while others hate it

[strange quail]

1 2 1

[sacred sigil]

[sacred sigil]

make it 4/4/1
its cheap

[sacred sigil]

good

[strange quail]

team 3 seems good right ?

okay ima do it

[umbral crown]

Imagine that manu gear on Moran

[sacred sigil]

[umbral crown]

Better give those tetra defender to moran

[sacred sigil]

why should I?
when im not using her...

[umbral crown]

Because... you would love to have 2 taunter defenders

[strange quail]

Team 2 lost, Scarlet did not survive

[sacred sigil]

iz fine im winning with my teams

[sacred sigil]

did you record it?

[strange quail]

will putting Scarlet in slot 2 work ?

I can do it nwo

[sacred sigil]

nah let it die

[sacred sigil]

whats your quantum cube lvl?

[strange quail]

lv5

[sacred sigil]

scarlet died before blanc can passive...

[strange quail]

will putting every quantum cube in that team do the trick ?

[sacred sigil]

no

only jackal and anis use quantum for me

[peak lagoon]

i fell off at the end of this season

[wise owl]

I'm thinking I should revise my PvP teams

[sacred sigil]

yah you need it

[strange quail]

Bruh, swapping Emilia in make team 2 win, but somehow my team 3 lost now . . .

[peak lagoon]

at war with slaine for now

[sacred sigil]

same enemy team?

[strange quail]

yes

maybe their scarlet critted ?

[sacred sigil]

you just lack cp since that scarlet team have 15% deficit

try to invest more in scarlet

so she can tank more hit

[strange quail]

okay thank you

[sacred sigil]

or use this cube

in scarlet if you have it

[glad meteor]

Deficit

[strange quail]

Yeah, swapping Emilia in place of Anis removed the deficit and my team won, but some how my 3rd team lose this time

[glad meteor]

I use highest level 7 cubes to strenthen cp if it’s close

Level 3-5-7
Different breakpoints give extra cp

[paper cloud]

I'm not even top 7

[wise owl]

could be worse
could be consistent 20 dropping to lower 20s

[sacred sigil]

you're fighting more than you can take

you need more cp if you want to beat it

[strange quail]

yeah maybe this whale was too much, I will target someone else next time

[paper cloud]

Used to be top 5 before the shuffle

[glad meteor]

27 level diff ain’t too bad. I’ve seem some ungodly level deficit takedowns because of OL changes

[wise owl]

There was a shuffle?
I swear the usual matchups are missing, and those that remained got a lot stronger

[strange quail]

since this iteration is ending soon, it won't matter much because I secured the higher place in majority of the time in this 2 weeks

[sacred sigil]

you got more points?

[strange quail]

should be getting 2k7 gems this time

[strange quail]

Yeah, I stayed at top 4 like for 8-9 days straight until this guy coming out from nowhere

I will target top 5 next time

[sacred sigil]

I never got transfered since I still see the same whels with me...

[wise owl]

Open to suggestions btw
Teams 1 and 3 used to be consistent with Team 2 more of a toss-up
Something changed with the new season, and it's mostly been losses since

[storm island]

Alright being that I have almost damn near every unit in the game (besides white scarlet and rapunzel…) and the reset is happening soon, I am once again seeking guidance for PvP teams to invest in now that I’m caught up on campaign again

[sacred sigil]

I can't help...

[umbral crown]

Maomao for the win

[sacred sigil]

[umbral crown]

[sacred sigil]

where zixk when its needed

[umbral crown]

Sleeping

[sacred sigil]

yah...

[sacred sigil]

if you really want help just tell me what you have been using in your arena to enhance your cp

[sacred sigil]

team 1
scarlet xanne redhood centi jackal

team 2
noah sbs pepper anis emilia

team 3
forfeit
you have this?

[wise owl]

I'll send my nikke
Among those, I have anne, centi, jackal, pepper, anis

[sacred sigil]

try to follow the minimum investment pvp units u using in the sky sheets
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SGm58euwr0KntlWU4SEJrhNFTFNkKp7h41HiSKMF2QQ/edit?gid=668853492#gid=668853492

[glossy tree]

someone bored enough to make me 3 hopefully functional defenses for SP Arena ?

[sacred sigil]

team 1:
scarlet bsoda rosanna xanne jackal (but check cp first)

team 2:
noah noise biscuit sbs anis/centi

team 3:
emilia blanc rapunzel centi/anis noir

preferably have anis in team 2 and centi in team 3
but if cp deficit in team 2 use whichever is higher cp

def teams

[wise owl]

current focus right now are

1. getting laplace's SR doll to 15
2. getting diesel's SR doll to 15

[glossy tree]

well, im missing xanne sadly.. thats kind of a problem for me rn x)

[storm island]

What I’ve been rocking this far

But I know s.anis is good and I have her built, I’ve seen lots of Moran teams too, I just wanna know what my best options per team are and what I should look to invest in

[sacred sigil]

[sacred sigil]

just patch it with naga for now since its def team
it should be rapu or blanc will be there but the units are spread already
just believe in jackal spread enough dmg taken to your units, 7/7/* jackal should enough
Or bay for whole team spread during burst skill

[wise owl]

that's a lot of investment for jackal
but i trust in you

wouldn't you be giving up an atk buff though?

[sacred sigil]

@storm island for moran team sample
moran blanc anis laplace rapunzel
noah biscuit emt RH crown

Scarlet Blanc Laplace flex Jackal
Noah Rapunzel Alice Biscuit Centi

[sacred sigil]

no since the dps have higher atk than jackal

[wise owl]

B1 atk buff, I mean

[wise owl]

among these, I have:
Moran, Anis, Laplace, Rapi
Crown
Jackal
Rapunzel, Alice, Centi

[sacred sigil]

[wise owl]

I have to ask: Why Rapi and Anis?

[sacred sigil]

rapunzel

anis have higher burst gen

[wise owl]

I see

Never thought I'd be pulling Anis out from the bench

[sacred sigil]

4/4-7/* minimum can also go higher

[wise owl]

Rosanna's no good anymore?
I remember hearing she was built for PVP

[sacred sigil]

who iz the b1 you talking about?

[wise owl]

Someone like Liter, I guess

[sacred sigil]

noise and jackal don't have buff like that in burst

so its not problem

[sacred sigil]

liter iz not used in pvp

[wise owl]

Blanc's on the wishlist
Haven't been able to pull one

[wise owl]

That, I did not know
I've been approaching PVP for the longest time by throwing spare teams I could probably use in campaign

[sacred sigil]

pvp and campaign are different

[sacred sigil]

but if you need something to invest while using it on PVE and PVP

invest in dps units like RH, S.anis, SBS, and scarlet
alice and mod rarely used

alice get used most in PVE

and boss stage also

[wise owl]

I'll have to re-evaluate my synchro, then (and throw Biscuit into the wishlist)
Thanks, it's helped a lot!

[sacred sigil]

yah no problem
just invest more in dps units like I said it will help you in long run
since they're staple meta dps thats still get used everytime

[wise owl]

Fingers crossed 4/4/4 will carry on for a bit
Need more skill manuals

[sacred sigil]

#pvp-arena message

follow the link you can scroll down the sheets to see the investment guide per unit

[wise owl]

I'm guessing having Jackal and Bay together would be redundant?

[sacred sigil]

bay shares only when you use burst skill
jackal already did it at the start but doing it for 2 highest atk unit

[grizzled bone]

not necessarily. Jackal is still the best burst generator a lot of people dont use her to burst

[wise owl]

Gave her that burst gen cube
Should be good

Maybe it's me being stubborn, but I kinda want to fit Kilo in somehow
I feel like there's some synch to be had somewhere

[grizzled bone]

I would look at the tier lists for pvp and decide which units to prioritise. Don't brick your PvE units though

[grizzled bone]

Quantum? We usually recommend putting that on the top-tier burst gens e.g. Jackal, Centi, Anis, Emi, etc.

[grizzled bone]

what are your current teamss?

[umbral crown]

[wise owl]

I had it sitting on Tia and Centi (with Tia, mainly for tower as the other cubes were occupied)
Sounds good

I'll have to look into Anis though
Never thought to include an SR

[grizzled bone]

Probably more investments. Their units have multiple copies

[wise owl]

Second team's been swapped out to
Jackal/Centi/Ein/Laplace/Rapunzel
Did a test run before the season ends, seems promising;
Will test it out for a few days on the next season

Shotgun meta team (with S!Mary in the place of B!Alice) works as a clutch, more or less 65% success with it

I feel like the shotgun team could be swapped with an HP-maxing Kilo team

[glossy tree]

already changed it now

dont remember 😄

[grizzled bone]

T1 and T2 are pretty slow at 4RL.
T3 is 3RL.
I'm not sure if you would have the CP to win T2 however with a 27 level sync difference.

at a quick glance T1 looks vulnerable to a Emi nuke, T2 looks vulnerable to a Scar-Jack team
let us know if you still need help

[empty shuttle]

Does the sp arena reward auto collect at the end of the season or we have to manual do it to gain the max point possible?

[grizzled bone]

Kilo can be viable in PvP but she needs her S1 shield to be up at time of bursting. She needs to be in P3 or P4 to be safe and her burst dmg is linked to her HP so she needs to be paired with a unit like Noise and Mast. Oh and also give her the Vigor cube

Honestly I dont play with Kilo, not because she's not good, I dont have the resources to invest into her. I don't see her being used much in my brackets but for newer players I'm sure it's more of a common sight

[grizzled bone]

Once season ends points are auto-collected and included into total. You don't have to manually collect unless you're at 100% capacity

[wise owl]

this, i did not know
means i can sleep more
thanks!

[empty shuttle]

Aight. Thank you for the info

[grizzled bone]

Anis is tied with Jackal with top burst-gen. That's why you'll see Anis in line ups despite being a SR unit, speed is very important in PvP. Its up to you to decide if she's worth investing in though because she is just an SR and gets power-crept pretty quickly. Jackal has better utility

[high vapor]

Hello everyone! Does anyone know how I can beat that team? I decided to be serious with the special arena.

I have all nikke but not many are limit break.

[grizzled bone]

this person is clearly a whale and you have no MLB units? My first instinct is that you don't have the CP to deal with this opponent

[high vapor]

I'm compensating by having more level

My ass has been tossed around by people with lower level.

i just don't know how to make a good comp

[oak rivet]

Wym not many are limite break, your screen is full of C7

[high vapor]

It's the guy I'm trying to beat.

[oak rivet]

Oh

My condolences

Well hope people here can cook something good, i'm sure it's beatable even without that much C7

[grizzled bone]

I think invested units probably matter more than just sync level. A lot of the regulars in here routinely beat people with higher sync level.
hmmm having said that....
All of those teams are pretty defensively sound. They're all around 3RL speed or faster

The SAnis team could be beaten with an Emi nuke
the Emi team could be beaten with a SAnis team
The Rosanna team is bait. The strategy for that defense is sacrificing Scarlet in P1 and proc Rosanna to snipe 1-2 units on the attackers side then being revived by XAnne, and if that some how fails you have SBS as backup. This would require a fast (2RL) Noah team or a team with good revives

you should post your roster from the Nikke tab in horizontal mode (settings - graphics) so we can see what units are invested

[high vapor]

Alright, keep cooking. 🤔

Ah, he just gained 10 more level, guess I'll get serious another time. 😂

I never got flexed that hard, it's a sign to stop. Thanks for your help!

[grizzled bone]

yeah I would just let him have this one lol. Not worth gemming against whales that can just lvl whenever they feel like, and attack you with as many tries as they like

feel free to ask for help for reshuffle though

[high vapor]

Thanks!

[umbral crown]

@keen vapor

[keen vapor]

I can't snipe big update

[keen vapor]

[grizzled bone]

[umbral crown]

Si

[keen vapor]

:deadge:

[thorn pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/the-dark-knight-its-about-sending-a-message-joker-heath-ledger-the-joker-gif-18201880

[gaunt cypress]

[final tendon]

i was rank 13 like 40 seconds before reset but got 31st

did i just get hit like super last second or something

[thorn pagoda]

it's based on how many chips you've accumulated in total

[final tendon]

ah i thought for gem rewards it was just the actual number rank i saw

dang ok

[thorn pagoda]

i was ranked 3rd despite being 1st since 3rd is where i was at 90% of the time

10% being 1st

[final tendon]

yeah i sat at...31 for most of the season

maaaan

[thorn pagoda]

that's still pretty good considering how many players you're competing against

[final tendon]

also i got kinda shafted into the group i shuffled into but at least i know now

ty ty

[grizzled bone]

always check the ranks by spa points. Battle rank is deceiving

[flint halo]

Woops forgot to claim like 60% worth of points

Prob gonna end like 8th again because of that 😂

[grizzled bone]

#pvp-arena message you sure?

[flint halo]

Oh auto collected I see

[grizzled bone]

i learned that the hard way as well haha

more time spent at top spots is better than trying to snipe and hold on to it for short bursts

[flint halo]

My group got easier this time around, some whales got moved out

Oh ok 5th

[thorn pagoda]

that's really good. if you perform well this season, you might be sent back into the whale bracket in the next one

[flint halo]

Well there are still whels in my current group, 1-2 were like 480-500 sync, 4th was same but he never did his attacks

[grizzled bone]

AFAIK they try keeping accounts that were created at similar times together in the brackets

[flint halo]

Ya

[grizzled bone]

and they shuffle dead accounts out

[flint halo]

Last group for me was brutal, was hard stuck c8-c10 lol

All the guys above me were at least 20 sync above

But 4 of em got moved out so I was able to go 3/5 whole time this time around

[grizzled bone]

maybe you'll see them again 🙂

[flint halo]

Was this one lmao

[swift dragon]

Hello again, I need a bit of help on setting some teams for that Arena where you can get gems

Normally I don't really mind much about PvP, but got below top 120. So I decided to update my teams

Here is my roster

Hello?

[final tendon]

Yeah I think I got put into everyone who whaled out and started during crown’s banner the shuffle hit even harder

[hidden wind]

Do we have a counter for Noah Noise SAnis Biscuit Jackal?

[rotund spindle]

[grizzled bone]

so i would just use that for defense for now. We usually tailor attack teams to your opponents defense. But as AlexAI said, you are going against people who have close to a year of progress on you

sorry for the delay got side tracked by some things

these are your top options for PvP. Bold are very good units, [in brackets are specialists that require some high investment and reading]
B1: Liter, Pepper, Noise, Rapunzel, Jackal, [Rosanna]
B2: Centi, Blanc, Mari, Anis, Biscuit, [Nero]
B3: Alice, Noir, Scarlet, Drake, SAnis, Laplace, Privaty, 2B

current SP def:
Scarlet-Blanc-Anis-Noir-Jackal
Poli-Pepper-SAnis-Privaty-Centi
Noise-Noah-Rapunzel-2B-Drake
tweak:
Scarlet-Blanc-Liter-Biscuit-Jackal
Noise-Noah-2B-Rapunzel-Noir
Poli-Pepper-SAnis-Drake-Centi

The current comps you have are pretty good so I tweaked them a bit for speed and to include Biscuit if you choose to try those out.
Biscuit is a good for giving defenders invuln for 5 seconds like blanc and buffing supporters like SAnis.
2B is a decent hyper-carry but unfortunately her damage is tied to her health therefore she needs to be paired with Noise which makes some alts challenging.
I'll think on your roster some more but didnt want to leave you hanging. I will continue in pvp-arena to further think on it

[rotund spindle]

I could do that, having better defence at least makes it so that I’ll hopefully be able to stay in my rank a bit easier, thanks a bunch

For now I think my offence teams are pretty good, even if one of them is just a throwaway

[grizzled bone]

@rotund spindle in your case I would focus more on your attack teams since it's a lot easier to attack than defend and you're playing with a disadvantage

[rotund spindle]

I’m not really sure how to make good attack teams

[grizzled bone]

yes the weak link right now would be the SAnis team. If you find yourself losing alot come here and ask for help and we'll brain storm some new line ups

[rotund spindle]

I know a screen wipe burst and some kind of shield is good along with burst gen

I don’t really lose because I don’t even try to fight most of the time, everyone is at least 200k power above me

[grizzled bone]

no problem, pvp mechanics are a little nuanced. When you want to attack someone post their team here and someone will chime in on what kind of comp you should use

hopefully after playing some more pvp you can catch up a bit so you can at least win some attacks

[rotund spindle]

Should I just look for people around my level and then come here?

[grizzled bone]

that will depend on a mixture of sync level and investments, best way to tell is by CP. FYI if you're fighting at a 15% deficit you take a penalty so we advise to avoid fighting that. You can calculate deficit by dividing the smaller cp (yours) by the bigger one (oppponent)

[rotund spindle]

Damn, I dunno if I’ll be able to beat anybody then

[grizzled bone]

it does seem like an up hill battle

[rotund spindle]

I suppose sitting in gold 2 is fine

[grizzled bone]

that comp could be beaten with an emi nuke e.g. Blanc-Emi-Rh-Biscuit-Jackal

[grizzled bone]

focus on pve, pvp is supplementary income. Once you feel like you're caught up then you can focus more on pvp for increased income

[hidden wind]

Thank you! I'll try that out tomorrow.

[rotund spindle]

Pve is going pretty well right now since I’m at 200, but apparently chapter 22 is still doable at 160 and I’m already starting to struggle with it so idk

[grizzled bone]

it's an example but it will depend on a few factors like investments, sync level, etc. Don't proceed if your deficit calculation is at 15% or mroe

[grizzled bone]

i believe in you

[hidden wind]

Gotcha

[rotund spindle]

[grizzled bone]

sorry for the delay. PvP is not as busy as team-building. What current teams are you using?

[swift dragon]

Honestly, I don't really remember, I have a team with non leveled Nikkes and just use my strongest units to make two teams that can beat the enemy, so I don't really have a team per se

[grizzled bone]

no problem lemme take a min to look at your rosster

[swift dragon]

And I can't check it rn since we just got the gems and it doesn't let me enter it

[swift dragon]

Sure, go ahead

[lunar dirge]

blanc emilia team(blanc emilia s.anis biscuit clip rl or sg for 3 rl)

[grizzled bone]

You have some good units in your roster for PvP even if they arent in synchro or invested yet. Consider looking more into the bolded ones
B1: RH, Liter, DKW, Rapunzel, Noise
B2: Blanc, Noah, Anis
B3: Alice, SBS, Privaty, Laplace, Maiden, SAnis, Drake, Noir, Kilo, Rei.A, Emi

here's a suggested line up for SP def:
T1 Blanc-SBS-RH-Laplace-Anis
T2 Noah-Rapunzel-SAnis-Drake-Naga
T3 Crown-Liter-Privaty-Noir-Maiden

unfortunately you're missing/haven't included in synchro some good units for burst generation (e.g. Emi, Noise to name a couple) so the current teams you can create are limited by mostly speed. I've tried my best to include sgs that have decent burst gen to make up for this.

I do not recommend using defense teams for attacking.

[hidden wind]

Thank you1

[thorn pagoda]

damn

[grizzled bone]

[umbral crown]

Cai doing a good job here

[rich quail]

Cai is da besssssssss

I am da worssssssssss

[blissful willow]

Why are some units bold

[grizzled bone]

I chose to highlight those units in that way because they can be considered good for PvP and I encourage looking into it more beyond just me saying they are

hi snake

[chrome basin]

for sp arena, do you know if it auto collects any remaining points before season ends? or do you have to manually do it

[copper creek]

auto

[vapid lake]

oh that's right, no pvp today don't need to log in to check if some rats sniped me while im not online

[rich quail]

yas

You are spared from waking up at 4:30 in the morning (like some freaks with no life) to check and see if you have to snipe back before season’s end

[umbral crown]

And hope for the best

[worthy lake]

Can my attack comp win? Cp deficit

[grizzled bone]

19% deficit. Unlikely

[worthy lake]

God damn whales

@grizzled bone no attack comp can beat that ?

I know he is a slow burst comp

[grizzled bone]

hmm as far as comps go... this one isn't bad with Scarlet in P1 and Jackal in P5

[worthy lake]

I really want to beat him

[sacred sigil]

believe in yourself like me

[copper creek]

**sp - def : **
jackal/scarlet/scalter/x.anne/naga
blanc/rh/noir/drake/centi
noah/noise/s.anis/biscuit/rapunzel

**min. invest : **
if i didn't say anything about a specific nikke, use your pve setup for that nikke.

s.anis - 7/7/9 (mandatory) // 10/10/9 (ideal)
x.anne - burst to 4-7. **please note that 4 usually enough, anything further at your own discretion. **

resilience cube is mandatory on s.anis.
quantum cube on anis, centi, jackal.
vigor cube on noise, biscuit, rapunzel.

raise tempering cube at your own discretion,
priority: noah & blanc > other def taunters & units as required.

i do not advise running def teams on atk :
atk teams depend on enemy def - refer to pinned messages for counters, mechanic info, and other resources.
alternatively, if really necessary, send screenshots of your opponents' three def teams, with round1/2/3 buttons visible so we know team order.

[sacred sigil]

been waiting for this...

[copper creek]

anything more i need to look at

if no i sleep

[sacred sigil]

emt ded

[copper creek]

hold on, emilialess?

[sacred sigil]

[copper creek]

wait

[grizzled bone]

look at this chart tho

[worthy lake]

About 30% stats penalty

Guess is impossible then

[sacred sigil]

I fight someone with 18% deficit you can do it if you burst fast enough since scarlet wipe out before the team can fight back

[copper creek]

edited

also to confirm, laplace+ or no?

[sacred sigil]

[sacred sigil]

I have core + iz that a plus?

[copper creek]

treasure or no

[sacred sigil]

yah I guess so

will need more time to do it

[grizzled bone]

yeah not saying impossible but very unlikely. 30% is a lot

[copper creek]

nvm then not relevant

[sacred sigil]

since im focusing in hard campaign dolls

[copper creek]

nah not important

[sacred sigil]

[copper creek]

i guessed no but i saw a mlb laplace so thought i'd ask
edited, please bear in mind cube and invest info.

[sacred sigil]

yah my pvp arena iz hopeless

[worthy knoll]

Can prolly gamble with Blanc Biscuit Scarlet RH Jackal

[sacred sigil]

the cubes are fine

but the equipment have gaps

skill are 6/6/6 for support the dps have high attk power

[copper creek]

the key pvp units are in ur def are
blanc, rh, scarlet, x.anne, jackal, noah, noise, s.anis, biscuit

the rest meh

[sacred sigil]

I really need to OL the pvp units huh....

[copper creek]

i dont need everything to be 6/6/6 lol

[sacred sigil]

I did

[copper creek]

OL is mostly done for cp padding purposes

[worthy lake]

Biscuit in P2 as back up ?

[sacred sigil]

since I havee excess skill matz

[mighty haven]

Would this have been me at 3 or 3.5RL vs 3RL?

[worthy knoll]

To protect P1 Blanc and maybe Jackal too but expects Biscu to die from the RLs Tia and Rapu

[sacred sigil]

oki

[copper creek]

huh dont understand ur question

[worthy lake]

Ok Im going for it

[mighty haven]

I mean my burst gen, was it 3 or 3.5 RL

[copper creek]

so if its just for OL, just ol+0 and forget it do not reroll (barring some very special circumstances)

[sacred sigil]

lv3 OL?

or do I max?

[copper creek]

OL+0.

[copper creek]

just by eye - 4?

[worthy lake]

@worthy knoll Win

[sacred sigil]

oki

[mighty haven]

Ouch, thanks

[copper creek]

refer to burst gen calc in pinned

[sacred sigil]

told yah

[worthy knoll]

How tight was it with the gap?

[worthy lake]

Im following Merry chan's attk comp , maybe if mine might have lost

[sacred sigil]

[worthy knoll]

Oh Biscu didn't even die

[sacred sigil]

scarlet wipey

[worthy knoll]

Weak RLs, no elem damage

[worthy lake]

My biscu 777 4OL lv3

Quite built

[worthy knoll]

You can try if Scar was on P2 instead

In the vid the indom was on Biscu but scar less likely to die pre burst.. so I guess that one is fine as long you kill them

[worthy lake]

Scar in P3 shes also 50% hp left

Thats how scary it is

[worthy lake]

Oh yeah the indom on bisco

Lets try Scar P2

[worthy knoll]

Well both has pros and cons

P2 Scar, indom on Scar but more likely to die pre burst
P3 Scar, indom biscu but Scar more guaranteed to survive pre burst

[worthy knoll]

Oh it seems the damage is still manageable

[sacred sigil]

[umbral crown]

[sacred sigil]

what about p1 scar...

[worthy knoll]

Rip

Enemy RH will wreck it

[worthy lake]

THis is bad idea I think

@worthy knoll is there specific OL stats for blanc ?

Plan to roll out her CS / CD

[worthy lake]

With useful OL

[sacred sigil]

iz my team a mistake?

[worthy knoll]

Btw the one we tried on SP yesterday. I feel his RH is wack. Normal attack took 1.4M damage

[sacred sigil]

[worthy lake]

Yeah yesterday my opponent was a whale so I am not regret if he beats me

[umbral crown]

be the whale

[worthy knoll]

You are not on deficit

[worthy lake]

I am fish

[sacred sigil]

[sacred sigil]

18% sir

[worthy knoll]

Yeah that is still fine

[sacred sigil]

[worthy knoll]

16-20% still mangeable

[sacred sigil]

#pvp-arena message

[worthy knoll]

Though if you are fighting my Laplace+ with that deficit, your Scar will die

[sacred sigil]

[worthy knoll]

80% elem damage and 20%ish atk OL

[sacred sigil]

I hope no whels fight me like that

me already under cp deficit compared to others in my pvp

[worthy lake]

@worthy knoll

[worthy knoll]

Nothing really, prolly elem damage to boost her CP and some ammo. Though if you wanna go freaky, 4 atk lines

[worthy lake]

ED & max ammo ?

[sacred sigil]

🐳

[worthy knoll]

The reason for 4 atk lines, is so that if you use her with Jackal with just one attacker, she can be linked and you can use her as P1 while having biscuit protection

[worthy knoll]

Elemental damage gives more CP compared to other lines but yeah its more like just to increase her CP. Like if you have one elem damage then change 3 lines without elem, go with the 3 lines since it would more likely give her not CP

[worthy lake]

Shes 2 attack lines now, ED 45%

[worthy knoll]

While ammo is to prevent her from reloading when you use her as a pseudo tank

[worthy lake]

Used 3 rocks

I rolled away 1 ammo line

[worthy knoll]

Just one ammo line is enough

[worthy lake]

Okay ammo 68%

Ok +4k CP

Not bad, thank

[grizzled bone]

merry are you telling him how to make thicc blanc?

[sacred sigil]

🐳

[worthy knoll]

Nah, just high CP blanc

Tho freaky blanc is 4 atk lines

[sacred sigil]

isn't that same?

[worthy lake]

Am spamming kraken for rocks so I am correcting some of my nikke OL stats

[worthy knoll]

Being high CP doesn't mean its thicc but helps a bit for not getting cp gapped whenever you use the unit

[worthy lake]

Yeaa

Helps a bit only

But better than nothing

Also helps PVE by a bit

[worthy knoll]

Just to take note if you are OLing for just the sake of increasing CP. All lines of the same tier except Elem damage gives the same amount of CP. Elem damage of the same tier gives iirc about 1.2x CP than any other line. Tho ofc the more lines the better, the higher the tier the better. I'm not sure the exact value. I kinda remember there was a calc for calculating a units CP. I just forgot where I saw it

[worthy lake]

Alrights

[umbral crown]

[spare marlin]

help me with teams for arena SP

[thorn marlin]

Jackal Scarlet, Centi, Noah, Blanc

[thorn marlin]

Noise, Biscuit, Sanis, Alice, Rapunzel

[thorn marlin]

Pepper, Makima, Privaty, Priv maid?, last one is flex attacker

I js hope I’m correct with this I’m not really an expert with PvP

[copper creek]

.........

[thorn marlin]

Hi :3

[grizzled bone]

I respect the effort in trying to help 🙂

[thorn marlin]

Im sorry😭

[grizzled bone]

those teams are a little all over the place

[thorn marlin]

Yeah can tell

Was just looking thru prydwen for a somewhat baseline

[grizzled bone]

hey you gotta start somewhere at least you're trying to read the resources

[thorn marlin]

It’s not my intention to spread misinformation i swear🙏

[copper creek]

!! you seem to be a returning player. do note that pvp brackets are determined largely by account creation date, so you may find it challenging to be competitive.

**sp - def : **
jackal/scarlet/scalter/poli/noir
blanc/rh/pepper/sugar/centi
noah/noise/s.anis/biscuit/rapunzel

**min. invest : **
if i didn't say anything about a specific nikke, use your pve setup for that nikke.

s.anis - 7/7/9 (mandatory) // 10/10/9 (ideal)
poli - burst to 4

resilience cube is mandatory on s.anis.
quantum cube on anis, centi, jackal.
vigor cube on noise, biscuit, rapunzel.

raise tempering cube at your own discretion,
priority: noah & blanc > other def taunters & units as required.

i do not advise running def teams on atk :
atk teams depend on enemy def - refer to pinned messages for counters, mechanic info, and other resources.
alternatively, if really necessary, send screenshots of your opponents' three def teams, with round1/2/3 buttons visible so we know team order.

[thorn marlin]

I think priv maid since she sg

Uwa

[grizzled bone]

so for mpriv, despite being a sg she's not a clip sg, meaning she has bad burst gen. She's used for her burst skill

[copper creek]

just saw you have biscuit, edited my above message.

[thorn marlin]

Ye :3

She rebuilds cover, acts a very good healer for PvP

[grizzled bone]

@thorn marlin
you should give these a read, they're very useful for building teams for pvp

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1R6qzhnPx85kEoYidYUs-K0hJy61APMQGj5nRSgdvRUU/edit?pli=1&gid=0#gid=0
https://www.prydwen.gg/nikke/guides/pvp-mechanics

[thorn marlin]

Ah thank you

Will read it

[grizzled bone]

what gave you the idea for MPriv-Quiry-XAnne-Ros-Jackal?

[copper creek]

im guessing lv1 quiry sacc?

[umbral crown]

yes

[elder cosmos]

yeah it was because all my skills were at 1, i figured it later

[elder cosmos]

i mean, sure but it's not like i got a lot of options :P

[copper creek]

rei.a's nuke/burst is actually fine

[blissful willow]

@umbral crown @copper creek

Do you guys think there's anything to add in the mechanics guide?

[copper creek]

is that new ?

[blissful willow]

Hmm? Wdym

[copper creek]

im ngl i havent even seen, much less read any english pvp guide/resource

[blissful willow]

Oh, which PvP guides did you read?

[copper creek]

so im kinda worst person to ask 😅

[copper creek]

absolutely none

[blissful willow]

I meant like
Any non English guides that you'd like to share

[copper creek]

main resource i use is my gems 😅

[gaunt sentinel]

SpA is closed and i go back to C8...man

[sacred sigil]

sp arena bricked

🧱 can't change my mind

[grizzled bone]

it is if you take a break from the game

[coarse lake]

need to remove this

[sacred sigil]

I only took a break from hard campaign...

[potent ermine]

how do I even fix this

Jackal mechanic + trying to make emilia burst nuke

[velvet sky]

No rh? blanc/emi/liter/biscuit/jackal

[grizzled bone]

If you're trying to make Emi burst it will be hard with SAnis in P1 won't it?

[potent ermine]

well yea gonna use le fay team cause my emilia too tanky

[grizzled bone]

Tanky emi isn't bad

[rich quail]

It is if you want indom

That’s why I have OL+4 everything except boots (OL+0)

I AM NOT A WHALE

[velvet sky]

🐳

[loud sonnet]

🐳

[mighty haven]

Not bad for Main/Alt/160 alt

[steady raft]

Nice! Is there benefits playing multiple accounts?

[mighty haven]

Nope

[pastel narwhal]

waifu account, pvp testing account

[mighty haven]

Get jinxed by luccsacc acc comparisons

[pastel narwhal]

what do you mean?

[mighty haven]

Main acc on left/alt acc on right - right has more fire-power for campaign/PvE, left has to mald without Modernia

no account has Crown

[pastel narwhal]

yeah that's kind of expected, my main has more firepower while my alt has all the units and i usually test weird things on my alt

[mighty haven]

I test things on my alt + 160 wall alt - esp the 160 wall alt, just having to make up numbers to stay in D1-2

[pastel narwhal]

there's no need for me to push all the way with my alt, it's a waifu/test acc for a reason

[mighty haven]

For me, I cleared nearly a whole normal chapter yesterday and half of another (28-29) simply because Ein became powerful enough/Asuka and Alice were geared

RH loses out in 29 due to fire weak

[pastel narwhal]

the only annoying thing having an alt is when there's a big event with huge maps and mini games, but luckily we only do it once per acc sometimes i skip the minigames on my alt

[glad meteor]

Gems brick

[glacial palm]

Can yall explain to me the burst gen chart and how to cook pvp please

[umbral crown]

[summer copper]

the burst gen chart is a chart that shows how much burst a nikke generates, as for cooking pvp, first turn the stove to high heat, add the pvp, sear until black, season, and serve

[umbral crown]

is there an specific part you do not understand or everything

[mighty haven]

The lower your RL the better

Rosy @ed me time to run

[glacial palm]

Mostly the chart or how to calculate burst gen

[mighty haven]

I know there's a Google sheet somewhere where if you plug in your units, it auto calculates what your burst RL will be, and also what the comp you're facing probably is (variation based on Quantum cube/levels etc)

[pastel narwhal]

just use the burst gen calc, it's easier, it should be at the pins

[glacial palm]

So the lest RL shots the better yes?

[pastel narwhal]

yes

Keripo has a tier list on the pins on who has the best burst gen

but you can also test that out in the calculator sheets

[umbral crown]

Well, if you check the chart you will see estimates burst generation and how much each unit generate in 1 RL time, meaning you need to keep in consideration the units which generates the most and the synergy of them in the team.

as for cooking teams, you first need to know each units skills, not exactly 100% but need to know how they work and what they do, and which units goes well against each one.

usually we use burst calculation to know the speed of the team we fighting and to make our own teams, you need to try to make the teams 3 RL in a decent speed keeping in mind your quatum cube level and some things

for example: Blanc/Emilia/Red Hood/Biscuit/Jackal is team we usually have trouble with since its 2 buff team and Emilia has a high damage value, knowing indom which is Blanc burst would go to Emilia to keep her alive for 10 more seconds after a fatal damage to fire her burst and defeat the enemy.

you can check the pins for more information, you can also try to make teams and if you have any questions feel free to ask

[mighty haven]

Come to think of it, Pepper is a solid B1 for PvP right

Because she's what....2.5? RL

[pastel narwhal]

Rosy wall of text jumpscare

[glacial palm]

Yeh ill have to skim through them

[umbral crown]

Pepper is a clip SG

[umbral crown]

take your time

[mighty haven]

@umbral crown / @pastel narwhal has this been linked anywhere for Burst Gen, apart from the other channel? #1075251759209001022 message

[umbral crown]

[pastel narwhal]

Kosmiu's should be here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11KWYeyvef91A-vfFuqglJJ8-OhR90TcKFVpJ6Ny_5h4/edit?gid=1990278246#gid=1990278246 , just make a copy for it to work

[covert lintel]

i got the idea immediately after my opponent use rosanna and i read her skill

[umbral crown]

so you trust more M.Privaty than scarlet?

usually its scar jack with rosanna

[keen vapor]

Privaty needs double buff

[keen vapor]

Can't believe I'm lacking PVP unit once again

[umbral crown]

not a surprise

[keen vapor]

[rotund spindle]

@grizzled bone do you want photos of my atk teams now that SP is back or do you still think I should just keep the ones I have?

[grizzled bone]

you can if you want but if they were the ones from the text SS then there's no need

[rotund spindle]

The ones in the ss were a bit different if I remember correctly, the team with privaty also wasn’t included

[grizzled bone]

just gonna add these here for convenience

[rotund spindle]

somehow just wormed my way into plat 3, don't expect to stay long though

[shut dirge]

This guy forgot to level up their rosana or switch her up

[grizzled bone]

yeah like alex pointed out before you'll have uphill battles pvp cuz you took a break @rotund spindle. I'd be curious to see your bracket actually to see how much of a gap there is

[rotund spindle]

I'm at around 350-360k while everyone else is minimum 500k

I'm lucky to find one dude that's below me in power, at least defence team wise

[grizzled bone]

yeah oof. Even if we drastically improve your defense it would be to just hold onto your spot

[rotund spindle]

I mean if I can stay in plat 3 that's already a lot better

I'm using the new teams you gave me yesterday, so here's hoping

[grizzled bone]

i didnt do any big changes cuz using 2B limits some changes but we should probably stop using her 🤔

[rotund spindle]

2b is bad?

[grizzled bone]

she's not bad but i think i mentioned before that she needs buffs for her hp cuz her dmg is linked to it

[rotund spindle]

oh okay, I see

if my attack teams are the best they can be for now then I suppose I just try to cherry pick decent fights

ugh, grave digger day

[thorn pagoda]

right before the season ended, i took 1st place from my chinese rival and he woke up at 4am just to take 1st place back. i'm ruining his sleeping pattern over a game >:)

[rotund spindle]

dang lol

[grizzled bone]

and now that i think about it because you're lower synchro you wont get the most out of her compared to your bracket 🤔

[rotund spindle]

I could technically upgrade it

[grizzled bone]

dont bother

unless you use her for pve

[grizzled bone]

4am your time or their time?

[thorn pagoda]

their time

9:21pm here

[grizzled bone]

maybe he doesnt sleep 👀

[thorn pagoda]

i've been studying his online/offline patterns and when he goes to work & comes home, he should be sleeping right now >:)

i always take 1st place right after he goes to work

[grizzled bone]

big brain moves

[thorn pagoda]

if you're 3rd you'll still get 3000 gems so it's not a big deal but it's nice to mess with him since he takes it so seriously

[grizzled bone]

after giving it some more thought here's an alternative SP def line without 2B. The obvious weak link is T3

Scarlet-Blanc-Liter-Poli-Jackal
Noah-Noise-SAnis-Biscuit-Drake
Privaty-Mari-Noir-Rapu-Centi

[rotund spindle]

Oh okay, thanks

My Alice is pretty highly invested aside from her OLs, is she good enough?

[grizzled bone]

yeah she has good DPS to 1 target during burst

i wanted to include her because she's your strongest unit

[rotund spindle]

hm okay

would privaty maybe still be better just to cheese out a potential good team?

there's a lot of burst gen on that third team, if I can just get privaty to stun them it could work

[grizzled bone]

if your bracket was still around your progression, yes. But starts falling off once people start progressing further. Privaty is meta early because of the lack of units. The stun punishes slow teams

[rotund spindle]

I also changed the order on the third one so that noir wouldn't be the one bursting, right now it's rapu/mari/priv/noir/centi

[grizzled bone]

I edited my suggestion. I tried including Noir for the burst gen but if you want to include Priv then that T3 is probably better. I expect P1 to die and then get revived from Rapu

[rotund spindle]

oh I see, thanks

that's one of the issues I'm currently having with my weak attack team, blanc dies before they get to burst

[grizzled bone]

if blanc dies include biscuit to give her invul for 5 seconds from her S2

Scarlet-Blanc-Liter-Biscuit-Jackal

or we could switch around positions

[rotund spindle]

jackal is on my scarlet poli team

I could take drake off the blanc team and slap biscuit in there

[grizzled bone]

this is how targeting normally works in arena

[rotund spindle]

hm

yeah I dunno, maybe just taking off drake and putting biscuit in would make sense

because noise/noah/rapu/2b/normal anis and scarlet/poli/centi/noir/jackal are doing pretty fine, but that last team I have with blanc just doesn't get a full burst

I know drake buffs my sanis in that team but it doesn't matter if they aren't bursting to begin with

[outer flax]

Whats the point of Special Arena when I'm such a low level? I'm just sitting in it for free SP for other people?

[grizzled bone]

supplementary gem income

[outer flax]

I literally can't interact with this system at all

[grizzled bone]

you should tailor your attack teams to your opp def

[ruby iris]

Hiii, what are my best teams for SP Arena? Alice is 10/4/10, SAnis is 8/8/9, Naga is 6/6/7, Ein is 6/6/6 and Crown 8/5/7. Most of the useful units in pvp are 4/4/4 Thanks!

[rotund spindle]

aw, not just general use attack teams?

[grizzled bone]

tailor your attacks to your opp's defense

[grizzled bone]

you can use cookie cutter teams but they wont always be well optimised

[rotund spindle]

I usually just shuffle my team orders around to beat specific people

[grizzled bone]

well spa is bascially rock-paper-scissors if you had to break it down to its base mechanics

[rotund spindle]

Oh, I thought it was just a burst speedrun

[grizzled bone]

i was referring to how you only need to win 2 or 3 rounds and can usually just switch around teams

[rotund spindle]

Oooh

Yeah that’s usually what I go for, put my trash team on their strongest

[ashen urchin]

qusetion on build i have Centi and Noise between 2 who would i invest OL gear into. Right now Centi is for burst gen and I dont really use Noise yet due to not being built at all

i want to boost CP so i assume Centi is the choice due to me using her in my scarlet burst team

[formal hound]

how is this fair lol and he/she is only at 39 ranked

[ashen urchin]

they dont care about PVP

[formal hound]

but me though...

i dont really care either but I am severly outmatched

[ashen urchin]

i dont be offensive but you are D4 so you are in the lower bracket so you will see a lot of variance in CP

[glad meteor]

Taking a break from the game or not minmaxing core dust = bricked

[lunar dirge]

returners are always cooked in pvp

[outer flax]

I understand the 'Just play the counter with the squads' thing, but when all of my characters are atleast 50 levels lower than everyone else, it's kinda pointless

sure it's a counter but they're spitting out higher DPS than I can reaonsably handle

[lunar dirge]

you are the returnee

you're cooked

[outer flax]

yippie! and to think 6 months ago i was on the top of everything pvp on my server

[tacit stratus]

Need some help on team comp

[ivory spoke]

I am in great danger

[grizzled bone]

Noise-Noah-SAnis-Pepper-Drake
Crown-Mpriv-Bsoda/Anis-Liter-Noir
Blanc-Alice-DKW-Biscuit-Jackal

[ivory spoke]

Any recommendations to improve this team?

[grizzled bone]

depends on context

[ashen urchin]

@grizzled bone any thoughts?

[grizzled bone]

Noise probably needs the gear cuz she taunts+tanks but if you dont use her/have investments you could invest in Centi instead if you feel like you need the CP. Prioritise Helmet and Gloves first for OL

[ashen urchin]

great thanks! i prob will do Centi then Noise for OL gear

for the cp pad at least to get my 2 teams for Def as well

i know Noise is used a lot in offense but seems like she needs quite a bit of investment and her team comp is a little limited?

[ivory spoke]

Is there any Nikke I should switch out for another one? Or is my team good like it is now?

[grizzled bone]

that's a standard god-comp but doesn't mean it will work for attacking always

[ivory spoke]

Alright, guess ill continue to stick with this comp for now then, thx

[grizzled bone]

Crown-Alice-Liter-Noir-Centi
Moran-Noah-SAnis-Rapu-Drake
Ein-Bay-BSoda-DKW-Jackal

[grizzled bone]

Use your T1 on T2

[tacit stratus]

I think I’ll get nuked before Noah?

[grizzled bone]

looking again. Probably

hold

[grizzled bone]

Blanc-Emi-RH-Biscuit-Jackal
skip
Noah-Centi-SAnis-SBS-Noise