pvp-arena

[keen vapor]

I've been trusting in splash towards P2 for that Noise Emi team but yes

So, should I swap Team 2 and 3 units?

[whole shell]

Gen is too slow

[grizzled bone]

when you do 1-1-1-10 do you do like all in one go or do the 1 for the daily, then next day 1 and so on?

[lone sequoia]

i don't know if it works now

3 singles then 1 multi

if a ssr drop in the singles just reset... 3 singles 1 multi

[grizzled bone]

never even tried before so

[lone sequoia]

in other games was 2 singles 1 multi or 5 singles

or just doesn't work

since the drop rate up is near pity

[grizzled bone]

hmm i see. Guess then no point in trying?

gonna make merry nut for this

[lone sequoia]

you can try during the collab

[grizzled bone]

hmm good idea

[umbral crown]

Waos, goos cook

[velvet sky]

goose 🪿

quack

[keen vapor]

What about this

[umbral crown]

Looks fine to me

[umbral crown]

Sounds like a good in game name

[lone sequoia]

122 rip, just use rosanna at that point

[rich quail]

I would have tried this on S.Anis banner…

210 pulls for only 1 dupe

[keen vapor]

I don't have

[lone sequoia]

no noah?

[keen vapor]

[rich quail]

Echo always blames sp losses on no Noah

[keen vapor]

I have reasons

[lone sequoia]

so, no noah or rosanna only blanc/jackal/biscuit

[keen vapor]

Basically

[lone sequoia]

what about lapalce+?

[lunar dirge]

being a hoarder is not a reason

[grizzled bone]

what is this?

[keen vapor]

Limit break 1

[lone sequoia]

and no xanne?

[keen vapor]

Defense, that plus healer team summer anis with no Noah

[keen vapor]

I skipped Winter units entirely bc of Pilgrim banners

[keen vapor]

Kisamaaaaaaa!

[pastel narwhal]

-nanoda!

[keen vapor]

[lone sequoia]

i really hate my sp, i want to attack rank 2 but they attack me before that

[grizzled bone]

i mean what is that spreadsheet?

[lone sequoia]

@keen vapor

[keen vapor]

Naga

[lone sequoia]

poli?

[keen vapor]

Yes.... Low CP tho, so is Scarlet

[lone sequoia]

then just use your first team

average synchro in your sp?

[grizzled bone]

wait is that just crowns burst gen calc? nvm im dumb

[keen vapor]

800-900

[keen vapor]

Ah, that, I forgot

I put Diesel in the calc but it's actually for Crown

[lone sequoia]

srosanna?

[keen vapor]

with 30k less CP than Crown

[lone sequoia]

there you have 1 change

[keen vapor]

She's lower CP than Poli

[lone sequoia]

are you being targeted?

[keen vapor]

hai

[lone sequoia]

1 guy or just random hits?

[keen vapor]

1 guy

[lone sequoia]

show your units and that guy def teams

[lone sequoia]

so you need 3 times that are faster than 150

[inner quail]

quency: nah, i'd win

[lone sequoia]

or at least taunt+biscuit at same speed

[keen vapor]

me with no dual burst generator

[tawny vine]

i did a triple take they do exist

[lone sequoia]

check
rapu/scarlet/pepper/poli/centi
emi/blanc/rh/laplace/jackal
tia/noise/biscuit/sanis/anis

[eternal finch]

New defense recommendation for Sp please?

[lone sequoia]

are you losing a lot or just want to change teams?

[rich quail]

I think I need one to finish my Scarlet gears

[tawny vine]

ironically enough i put my only other pilgrim helm on scarlet but semi regretted since looks like she's losing ground

but also looks like that problem is only for the high syncho guys

[rich quail]

I have 2 atk lines but only 1 max ammo and 1 ele damage I think

Also 1 crit dmg and 1 crit rate

When I get her last gear I’d like to optimize her lines so she can hit hard even without burst

[tawny vine]

tbf when i counted she normally goes through 35-40 bullets before she bursts so i don't think you need that much ammo lines in pvp

[rich quail]

Ah okay I think I have 40 but I’ll check later

[tawny vine]

if you're close you could just slap on that cube that auto reloads too

[lone sequoia]

depends on the team, at least 40 ammo to get 4 stacks before reload

[rich quail]

Which cube is that?
I think rn she has Resilience

[lone sequoia]

if you go with a blanc comp you need +60 for post burst damage (blanc burst)

[tawny vine]

oh i didn't know that

[rich quail]

why more when using Blanc?

[lone sequoia]

even with80 ammo some units can tank scarlet basics attacks to p3-p4, you need damage/ammo or reload speed

[tawny vine]

i assume for scarlet s2 value - nvm im dumb doesn't use ammo lmao

[lone sequoia]

depends on the comp, you can nuke them with blanc burst or use the indomitability

but that is against non biscuit comps

like a faster sanis team...with anis in biscuit spot

[rich quail]

I gotta research that later… had no idea and would like to know more details on Biscuit matchup + Blanc assist

[lone sequoia]

if you use blanc+rh for a scarlet team, you need higher cs lines in centi/jackal/rh or you will hit noah wall

xanne as b2 is better for burst gent but you still need cs lines in the other units

[tawny vine]

man i was satisfied understanding burst gen, jackal feed, whiffs, basic positioning

[lone sequoia]

all tha for burst damage(nuke)

[tawny vine]

but every time nesso types something i realize i know less and less

[lone sequoia]

like sbs aggro drop in p1 against rl?

[rich quail]

I didn’t know that either
But then again I never use sbs on p1

[lone sequoia]

i didn't try scarlet/blanc against no biscuit sanis teams

my scarlet only have like 40 ammo so no damage during full burst

and against that team i use other teams or just match speed with emi team

[keen vapor]

Would

[lone sequoia]

we can use sbs in sanis team for more burst gen @keen vapor but no sanis

[keen vapor]

[rich quail]

thank you @lone sequoia

[lone sequoia]

??

[rich quail]

Fo explaining Scarlet stuff

[lone sequoia]

i want to test noise/bay/scarlet but no bay in my main account

[keen vapor]

First team is 196k the other teams are like 230k tho

[lone sequoia]

you need +240k?

noir/pepper?

[keen vapor]

Basically yes

This is with +240k

[lone sequoia]

the problem is rapu p1, against scarlet you need her stun or just use pepper as b1 no jackal in that team to save biscuit in emi to and use her in T3 with sanis
you can make a different T3 with sbs as dps blanc in emi team and faster scarlet/jackal

[rich quail]

@tawny vine Read prydwen, it says I should upgrade Bastion to lvl 7

[lone sequoia]

lv 7 only to get the skill lv3, if you don't use MG no reason to lvlup that cube

stop at lv5 and go to the next cube

[umbral crown]

Echo with more cp than me

[lone sequoia]

you can also use bastion with scarlet (+50 ammo or more) but now we all use crown so resilience is better

[rich quail]

I think it’s lvl 4-5 so I’m glad (my priority is Quantum, Healing and Temperance rn)

[lone sequoia]

healing with rapu or tempering with all the units

quantum lv7 first

[rich quail]

Yeah I’m at Quantum lvl 6

So that is first

[keen vapor]

Btw this guy is crazy

[rich quail]

If he used boxes he’d double your cp

triple, even…

[lone sequoia]

then just try the first change is ok if you need the power and change crown in scarlet team

[keen vapor]

Btw this guy is crazy

I hate discord

[blissful willow]

That's crazy

Literally everything that is not in reload team uses bastion

Upgrading bastion and resil to lvl7 is like getting basic human rights to playing nikke

[keen vapor]

SBS, Alice with high ammo rolls, the same with Scarlet

[lone sequoia]

no, depends on weapon type+max ammo, and skills for some units

you don't use bastion in last hit units

[blissful willow]

There are quite literally 2 last bullet units that are relevant
One is Dorothy

[lone sequoia]

yes, but for other units it doesn't matter

[blissful willow]

Bastion is used in all shotguns, all SRs apart from Rh, especially Alice (when crown isn't babysitting her ass), all MGs, all SMGs if theyre doing damage, anything that goes in bunnies team gets bastion, naga gets bastion for more frequent heals, and so on

[lone sequoia]

now, in pvp you don't really need bastion

[blissful willow]

PvP is severely a lower priority compared to getting basic rights in PvE

[keen vapor]

SHOTGUNS? I THOUGHT THEY USED HIT RATE CUBE

[blissful willow]

Echo wyd

[keen vapor]

I'm ashamed

[keen vapor]

I can't decipher that

[lone sequoia]

the SG units need hit rate whiout that effect (or specific team) you can't do damage(x stage), now the value that the cube give is too low so do not have an impact for SG

[blissful willow]

Bruh lmfao

xd even

Anyways just remember that

Resil to lvl7
Basti to lvl7

And then you can choose what to do

[keen vapor]

@rich quail

[lone sequoia]

#pvp-arena message

[keen vapor]

Snake is blessing us with his knowledge arigato gosaimasu

[blissful willow]

1. Lvl7 resil
2. Lvl7 bastion

Optional:
3. Lvl9 resil and bastion
4. Lvl7 quantum (PvP)
5. Lvl7 Tempering Cube (PvP)
6. Lvl 7 vigor (PvP+general use)
7. Lvl7 healing cube (general use)
8. Lvl8 quantum (for extra slot)
9.. Lvl7 adjutant cube (PvP)
10. Lvl10 quantum (for extra slot)

After 1 and 2, you can do whatever you want really

[lone sequoia]

i don't know how to explain this to you, but the impact that bastion from lv2 to 3 is not big if you already have better cubes for pvp, now the resilience in pve works more if you already get reload speed from other sources, bastion is ok if you try to maintain the dps output delaying the reload time but that still depends on the max ammo of the unit that use the cube, for low ammo units (no OL) resilience works fine

[blissful willow]

Made this for prydwen server a while back ig sharing here doesn't hurt

[lone sequoia]

at that point just lv10 every cube

[blissful willow]

Eventual goal is indeed to lvl10 every cube

[lone sequoia]

but people can't lvl 10 from the start

[blissful willow]

But they can aim for certain checkpoints

[lone sequoia]

yes, but that guy have pvp as priority so lv7 quantum first

[blissful willow]

Quantum isn't as game changing as you think it is

If you try and teambuild you would understand that

Bastion on the other hand is clutch

None of the cubes in PvP bar vigor and tempering are as good as you might think they are

They are for pure brute minmaxxing

On occasion, quantum can be just as good as vigor and tempering but it's definitely rarer than what you think about it is

[cedar gate]

I am once again asking for SP arena teams

[keen vapor]

WHY SHE ALWAYS DIES, SHE EVEN HAS AN SR DOLL

[misty finch]

Baring CP, what's the most powerful single defence team I can make? Preferably that can counter both s.anis/biscuit and scar/jack. S.anis not x/x/9

[keen vapor]

I really shouldn't have used that chest piece on Moran

[misty finch]

I was maybe thinking something like this but IDK

[keen vapor]

No you

I mean, no, too slow

[misty finch]

Maxwell -> pepper?

[glad meteor]

Nothing to soak the damage, she’s the only nikke not in cover. Plus it’s sgs and scarlet so basics hit hard

[whole shell]

You mean Blanc?

Reason being you put Emi in P1

[keen vapor]

As if I could do better

[whole shell]

Putting Emi in P1 means a higher chance of target skipping due to being an RL

So they skipped Emi and reamed your Blanc

[keen vapor]

YOU GUYS ARE ACTING AS IF SHOTGUNS DIDN'T TARGETED P5 FOR MORE THAN A YEAR AND A HALF

[glad meteor]

Team is 4RL, too slow for defense if using jackal imo, and maxwell is going to buff priv and maxwell. Unless sanis is invested with attack ols, and even then, there’s also indom

[umbral crown]

You see if you whale enough you can be 1.2m at 301

Show the rest of the teams

[glad meteor]

lol, it’s changed a long time ago, gotta expect target skip at this point

[whole shell]

Too slow of a team even with Jackal

You could probably do something like Privaty/Blanc/S.Anis/Centi/Jackal

That should be 3RL

[whole shell]

SG's also target skipped to blanc

Pretty much a case of rng saying "screw you"

[keen vapor]

The game is against me

[whole shell]

At least that team still won

[keen vapor]

This time

[umbral crown]

Round 2 or 3, also why not blanc in P1

[umbral crown]

Also, are you i deficit?

[keen vapor]

IT'S THE FIRST ROUND

[keen vapor]

Why I would screw myself on purpose

[keen vapor]

I don't remember the last time I fought PVP in deficit

[umbral crown]

[hushed kelp]

Im stuck using my atk teams for def in sp arena, can anyone provide any advice on if theres anything i can change to make it more difficult to beat?

[umbral crown]

start sending your box,at nikke tab on lobby, in-game settings > nearby > horizonal if on mobile and sort by power only

@keen vapor show the 3 teams if that 420k cp boi in your bracket or his total cp

[keen vapor]

I don't want PVP for today

[maiden sail]

Need upgrades to my SP Arena teams plz

[whole shell]

T2 is fine, place Rosanna in P3 for T1 so she doesn't get revealed by RL splash, and T3 is too slow

[hushed kelp]

Im planning on replacing naga with anis once i OL all her gear, team cp is so low with her right now

[hushed kelp]

Thank you for the tips!

[glad meteor]

No emilia

[lone sequoia]

1: bastion need 10 shots to get the effect some units don't reach that ammo without OL effect but is something that you can get and use in normal pve, as the battle progress you will get more procs.
2: the jump from skill 2 to 3 is 1 ammo is big? yes but also depends on team building as you said, not every team get reload speed from x unit, but you also don't get ammo from from all units, but eventually you will get more ammo from OL (if you get good rolls)
3: team building- you can use teams that are better with bastion or resilience and all depends on the amount of ammo or reload% that the units gets so you will get better results with one cube or another
4: the time to reload- this is no about resilience/bastion or which is better or not, is about when you can use bastion or if you have better options. the game have different modes and depends on those how you will play:
pve-campaign- in normal campaign we have the power debuff that affect stats, in some stages you will need to use the cover and in other just spam auto attacks, this will affect bastion performance, some people will get better result with bastion and other people with other cubes and since in this mode you can use all the time that the game gives you, bastion is the common answer (but again teams*).
pve-raids- although in raid the battles are long, there are different variables that affect the damage, as mechanics (changes depending on the enemy) piloting or critical hits, so the damage in each run will be different so the difference between level 2 or 3 is minimal and in case you are one of the people who try to get a good rank, upgrading the cube skill is a normal way to try to get more damage (and add elemental damage) but still there are others that are more impactful than getting 1 more ammo.

pvp- for pvp you have better cubes that also depends on weapons type and skill/team synergy, quantum is better if you reach the speed milestone to get your burst chain first, this may vary according to the weapon type some units get more burst gen but at a fixed intervals while others get less, but "steadily"(if you use different weapons in pvp you will understand"). the same happen with adjutant cube that gives charge speed and that helps you get the last amount of burst faster for your chain (i use the cube to target units and get dodge/whiff). other cubes have utility like vigor (hp value for skills, to tank or hp target/priority) or if you simply need to reduce the damage tempering is better than vigor(you already have hp so damage reduction is better than vigor and more damage reductions is better than the same %of hp), healing cube for sustain matchup something that you choose. and those aspects are more important compared to whether you get +1 ammo when you are already at 5 or more seconds into the game. and while there are situations where bastion is good it depends strictly on your OL effects(max ammo with scarlet/blanc if you use the 10seconds of indomitability)
yes bastion is great in pve but we are in a pvp channel and the priorities are different, if someone wants to improve bastion he will do it or maybe he will spend in other cubes or dupes; the example that i said before is a specific situation and there are many other variables that will tell if it is good for you, he can decide if it is good or not. the fact that you come here just because you searched about your site is weird and after that you start talking about things that have nothing to do with the specific situation, your site publishes general information, sometimes useful and sometimes not, but there are others that are clearly misinformation since they fall into speculation or certain conditions are needed which you do not specify and affect more than a simple cube lvl

[raven plover]

[whole shell]

[deft ledge]

Long essay, all I know is you failed to do math

[lone sequoia]

yes it is normal, but all depends on priorities

[lone sequoia]

?

[worthy lake]

Masters here can advice me is it good to attack ?

[coarse lake]

is there something new with the skip unit positioning?

huh

so the p1 skip simply changed to p5 skip?

[worthy lake]

Ok. t1 and t3 ok ?

I see.

[viscid beacon]

i need help with sp arena

[keen vapor]

[grizzled bone]

warning: i am a home cook, maybe
moran-sbs-poli-naga-tia
blanc-alice-liter-maid priv-anis
emma-sanis-b soda-pepper-centi

[cold obsidian]

Pro's what team can I use for Arena?

[grizzled bone]

rookie or sp?

[whole shell]

Hm

[cold obsidian]

rookie if possible sp also I just put them in random

[grizzled bone]

@umbral crown was this your def team? lol

[whole shell]

Kinda hard to cook since you don't have many of the great pvp options besides biscuit, but this could work for rookie:

Anis/D:KW/Privaty/Biscuit/Noir

Forgive the edits

My brain is just kinda fried rn

[grizzled bone]

yeah short on units. I was going to suggest for rookie something like:
Marciana-DKW-Alice-Biscuit-Anis

[worthy lake]

May I know what is the issue ?

My noah is well built how the heck it died

[cedar gate]

Thanks

[whole shell]

Thing is though with an uninvested alice it'll take quite a while to kill the enemy team since Alice is ST

[whole shell]

Target skipped and she got focused by scarlet most likely

Yep, she got target skipped and scarlet shredded her

[worthy lake]

put noah to p1 is that safe ?

[grizzled bone]

yeah that's fair. I forget about investments

[cold obsidian]

thanks @grizzled bone @whole shell

[grizzled bone]

@cold obsidian I would use Coffeeguys lineup since its more than appropriate at your level

[worthy lake]

it happened the first time , enemy have cp deficit too. RNG ?

[whole shell]

Usually Noah at P1 is used if you have Biscuit on the team due to her making defenders invincible at 50%

There's still a chance of getting target skipped unfortunately since that's just how it is with RL units, it's all down to RNG

[worthy lake]

So its RNG problem yeah ?

[grizzled bone]

more or less

[worthy lake]

Noted. Because this comp I have won many times, first time see noah got shredded in p2

[whole shell]

Mhm

RNG is a thing so results are not purely math based

Annoying at times tbh

[worthy lake]

@whole shell is there a alternate attack comp for t1 ?

Or no need since its RNG issue

[worthy lake]

Right ?

[whole shell]

Yeah

I assume you don't have biscuit right?

Because otherwise you'd be using her

[grizzled bone]

he does

[whole shell]

Or too low cp maybe

[grizzled bone]

used on T3 in video

[whole shell]

Oh

[worthy lake]

Bisc in t3 attack comp

[whole shell]

Oh I see it now

:p

[worthy lake]

enemy has 20% cp deficit

[whole shell]

I'm dumdum

[worthy lake]

I am suppose to be winning , that why I am annoyed

[leaden canyon]

Finally got laplace treasure, shes 4/9/7. Working on getting 3 more overloads

[worthy lake]

no worries :p

[whole shell]

I'll be honest sometimes if a comp is frustrating me and I have an edge in cp, I just see how far I can push the deficit gap and just let pure stats stomp them

If you're already 20% deficit over them, it's likely that you could probably make that larger right?

Kinda risky putting D in P1 tho no

She's the only B1 so if she dies then they're not going to be able to burst

[leaden canyon]

do I replace sbs with laplace or alice

Like replacing sbs or alice with laplace

[whole shell]

Fair enough

[grizzled bone]

i'd say put laplace instead of alice with emi for the offburst damage

[worthy lake]

Thats why I am puzzled

But again, as you said its RNG

[coarse lake]

the cs between noise and noah let noah get aggro

also, their scarlet is strong

your noise has a lot more CS than noah I assume

tbh even if noise had aggro, noise probably would still have died

should have replaced laplace with rapunzel, and make rapunzel burst (or fix CS lines so noise gets aggro)

[rigid inlet]

Hi! Can I have recommendations for team formation for special arena? Thanks!

[pseudo gate]

Hey all, any further tips on beating this?
Been trying various suggestions but so far no luck
Tried:

1. Noah-noise-biscuit-sanis- repunzel
2. Noah-biscuit-Emilia-rh-x with multiple variants

[worthy lake]

Yes you are correct, my noise 5% more CS than noah

[cold obsidian]

Thank you

[worthy lake]

Try my best to get fixed CS lines

Wasted 6 rocks , no CS line

[mint prawn]

Hi, how can I use S.Anis in my current team of

• Jackal, Scarlet, Poli, Tia, Pepper
• Blanc, Emilia, RH, Noir, Sugar
• Noise, Noah, Scalter, Drake, Soda:TB

And maybe my Rookie Arena team of
Blanc, Emilia, RH, Biscuit, Jackal

[coarse lake]

you want to roll noise off cs, not give noah cs

[pseudo gate]

Rookie

Sorry, you mean send my available Nikkes?

Sorry and not to doubt, but just for my knowledge, I previously tried Noah/biscuit/sanis/rh/jackal, will replacing with jackal with Emilia help?

Alright I’ll give it a try when I can find the individual, somehow rookie refresh doesn’t want me to find lol

Didn’t work, biscuit went out before burst could go off

Just to note, I’m on a little cp deficit too

Still didn’t work, everyone got wiped except Emilia after burst

[worthy knoll]

What was your Emi skill level?

[pseudo gate]

Emi is 10/8/10

[worthy knoll]

🤔

[pseudo gate]

Have been trying to crack this for the past 3 days lol

Yea let me try

[worthy knoll]

Did your Emi hit them and kill except Noah? Or hit but all were still alive? Or got Noah blocked?

[pseudo gate]

I think Noah blocked

I have a previous recording close to this not sure if it helps for analysis

Sorry haven’t try, give me a moment, I’m below 200 difference now

[worthy knoll]

Enemy was whiffing a lot too

[pseudo gate]

A bit too consistent though 🤣🤣 I have been cracking at this for the past 3 days

[copper creek]

maybe dont run jackal against that

does:
blanc/emi/rh/biscuit/centi
work?

wait no it wont

[rigid inlet]

Thanks! Is there any possibility of Privaty enter to some of those teams? I say this because mine is at max of core, she can be useful or something

[copper creek]

blanc/emi/rh/biscuit/clip sg... would i dare... lol

[copper creek]

no

[rigid inlet]

Sure! Thanks!

Thanks!

[worthy knoll]

Try: Moran Noise SAnis Biscuit Laplace+ (assuming that is treasured lap+, right?)

[pseudo gate]

This worked! However looks quite close. Video for analysis lol

[pseudo gate]

I’ll keep this in mind for tries if needed. And yup treasured lap. Moran not well build yet though

[keen vapor]

@hollow eagle 's Misinformation? #questions message

[worthy knoll]

The cube right? That is correct

It increases the heal done not the heal received

[hollow eagle]

[inner quail]

to the person who suggested me to use noah when i don't have her, go suck a lemon

[keen vapor]

Someone here told it was the later @copper creek @lone sequoia @I can't ping Agent Eon

[copper creek]

and you guys wonder why i stop cooking publicly lmao

[keen vapor]

Lemon ......

[keen vapor]

[pseudo gate]

Thanks for the suggestion lol

[inner quail]

i posted my entire roster and they still suggested it

[keen vapor]

Happens to me, all the time

[copper creek]

do you know how many people ask for help

ah f it im not going to engage

mistakes happen man thats all im gonna say

[worthy knoll]

Well you can say immediately, I don't have Noah. Its just as simple as that. Mistakes can happen. Else if just that annoys you, just make your own team, also simple as that

[copper creek]

if your mother didnt teach you manners that's fine
just dont make it our problem lol

[keen vapor]

We're humans after all, don't put the blame on us

[kindred moth]

[keen vapor]

You waiting for cooking?

[inner quail]

i didn't realize until like two weeks later

[copper creek]

what happened here man
why so many people like that recently

[keen vapor]

And sometimes they're just yapping I'm very sorry

[copper creek]

seriously testing patience

[worthy knoll]

Well its not entirely their fault then

[copper creek]

[keen vapor]

[inner quail]

i'm gonna kill myself

[copper creek]

people yapping is fine imo

[keen vapor]

[copper creek]

rather people talk nonsense than totally dead channel personally

[kindred moth]

[copper creek]

not like veterans owe it to people to cook teams for them

[inner quail]

anyway here you go

[keen vapor]

Help channels in other game servers be like:

[copper creek]

this is not a help channel lol

[keen vapor]

[inner quail]

every time someone asks a question about pvp they get redirected here it's basically a help channel at this point

[copper creek]

its a help channel as far as u're concerned

as far as participants/contributors are concerned it can be used as discussion/theorycraft/fun also

if u dont want to participate thats totally fine, doesnt relegate the channel to being only a help channel though

[keen vapor]

Theory/discussions are helpful

[inner quail]

does element damage affect pvp

[copper creek]

e.g. recently we had fun making ET run a sacc strat on atk even though it was TOTALLY unnecessary

[copper creek]

yes

[keen vapor]

[copper creek]

not 2023 anymore 😄

[inner quail]

no wonder you have to switch up teams in attack

[copper creek]

thats not really why

think of pvp as rock-paper-scissors

[keen vapor]

So that's why it got revamped in the server

[inner quail]

rock-paper-what

[kindred moth]

🤔

[keen vapor]

Scizor

[copper creek]

if u know what your opponent is gonna field, you obviously run somethign that counters/wins that

oops i played too many drinking games

Misinformation

[keen vapor]

Btw, emotes don't give server exp, if you care about that

[inner quail]

look to be fair this is nikke pvp

i know but he wrote rock-paper-strippers

[kindred moth]

ok to day need attack team

[worthy knoll]

[keen vapor]

I don't have Rock

[kindred moth]

[copper creek]

too many drinking games this weekend lmao
that one was one of them

[keen vapor]

Who's the target

[copper creek]

you never played before ?

rock, paper, strippers ?

[pastel narwhal]

it's in your stash

[inner quail]

strip rps
if you lose you take something off

[copper creek]

[keen vapor]

[kindred moth]

I have a problem with C1 C2's team

[keen vapor]

I don't have Pilgrim molds

[kindred moth]

[copper creek]

all im sayin is
you didnt go to college/uni if u didnt get the police called on u after taking ur clothes off in a public place

[inner quail]

that sounds like a sanity issue i do not want to touch

[pastel narwhal]

i'ts ok those are filled with Pinnegrims anyway

[copper creek]

choose one person,
screenshot their 3 def teams, make sure round1/2/3 buttons are visible in the screenshot

[worthy knoll]

Thats C4-6 though

[keen vapor]

Challenger 1 and 2? But highest there is Challenger 4

[copper creek]

its just for casual fun

[inner quail]

getting the cops called on you is not casual

[copper creek]

its like lighting a $1 bill on fire and watching it burn cleanly down the middle

its just for fun lol

[keen vapor]

Fun with consequences

[copper creek]

yeah the consequence was when the drunk dude realised he accidentally burnt a $1000 bill instead of a $2

[kindred moth]

[copper creek]

and he cant take it to the bank to have it replaced because defacing currency is a crime
so gg

[keen vapor]

Can show their teams now

[worthy knoll]

I think I stumbled a vid earlier.. one who put their iphone between 2 dry ice while literally flaming it

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

Me on spring:

Flame was sunlight

Phone was burning no joke

[inner quail]

y'all need to limit your booze intake

[keen vapor]

I guess I'll be using healing cube in the future

[copper creek]

hold please

[kindred moth]

[copper creek]

i would probably just blanc/centi/scalter/biscuit/rh t3 and proceed, but zixk knows best

(this is not advice, this is just me thinking out loud, please wait for zixk)

[worthy knoll]

T1.. or T3??

[copper creek]

try

explaining

cuz i thought thats fairly standard lmao

[worthy lake]

t1 - rap/noah/sbs/centi/noise

ok ?

is there alternate attack comp ?

[worthy lake]

For this, thanks

[copper creek]

😂

to think i asked him to keep r1/2/3 button visible too omegalul

[worthy knoll]

[kindred moth]

🤔

[pastel narwhal]

[grizzled bone]

cap

[copper creek]

gay

[pastel narwhal]

[copper creek]

yes official

[grizzled bone]

no whey. Free?

[pastel narwhal]

what if she's RL

[copper creek]

imagine if she turns out to be dualwield clip RL

[pastel narwhal]

Pascal 2.0

[copper creek]

are u kidding me

ikr lmao

[dim sapphire]

Cry about it

[worthy lake]

May I know what cube for noah for pvp ? thank you

[copper creek]

tempura cube

[dim sapphire]

Quantum/vigor imo

[worthy lake]

Thanks

[copper creek]

for ur box - noah just takes tempura cube lol cuz ur vigor probably out of slot

[worthy lake]

Okay

[kindred moth]

skip

no no

[copper creek]

speaking of which u have access to it, no ? arentu in scarlet

[meager snow]

[kindred moth]

In the picture I went down as a team of 3 2 1. I was looking at it wrong.

ai yo WTF

my throwing team

[copper creek]

i didnt bother
i just went to (try to) cook my own stuff
because, well, newer account - missing too many important limited unit

[kindred moth]

get win

[copper creek]

and also missing too much invest

im pretty sure ur stuff is ... similar lol

no matter what i did it came down to similar problems and thus, similar end result

[grizzled bone]

wait... people in scarlet are in here?

[copper creek]

keripo is their gm

[kindred moth]

@worn field thank you bro

[grizzled bone]

that explains... a lot

[grizzled bone]

least h#rny nikke/eva enjoyer

[copper creek]

didnt he reset it

or do i have wrong guy in mind

sec checking

nvm wrong guy im fake news
thought i saw in omnicord but weong person

[languid sigil]

need a chef

[grizzled bone]

noah-noise-sanis-biscuit-jackal?

[kindred moth]

What must Emilia do

[lone sequoia]

?

[pale rose]

what team do i use for pvp?

[pale rose]

both if possibe, since idk anything ab team building oof

[copper creek]

sp.a maybe tricky ...

[blissful willow]

What in the world are you talking about bruh lmfao

Just try to calculate how effective these "PvP" cubes are

And just try to calculate and understand, if you can, what bastion does

I seriously doubt you've even used quantum cube if you suggest it over bastion

[pale rose]

ah ty

[copper creek]

hold on
patch notes out already?

[pastel narwhal]

idk, got that from in-game news

[copper creek]

OMG

@lunar dirge u no longer gonna be aliceless

new day by day is alice diary-themed, final reward is alice

[pastel narwhal]

[copper creek]

my core7 alice dream is alive again

[pastel narwhal]

ewww misato is smg

[glad meteor]

Mari is electric buffer

Potential is there

[lunar dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/vegeta-ultra-ego-angry-gif-7169566606590383465

say no less

[rich quail]

This update be crazy… finally some good stuff for inventory and gear

[pastel narwhal]

overclock is back and full burst , we eating good again

[raven plover]

alright which whale they gonna add in my bracket

[pastel narwhal]

just remembered the dual leviathan on other bracket

[copper creek]

i love the whole duality of it

im pumped and ready for reshuffle
i am also the whale people are praying not to get

lets go

[lunar dirge]

You mean mine bracket?

[pastel narwhal]

there's another one on mine, i only see them on rookie

[copper creek]

lets see if this shuffle brings in more people for me to terrorise haha

[lunar dirge]

I just hope that nothing changes

[pastel narwhal]

#3 is now the new #1

[rich quail]

Another supporter/defender fully geared in OL+0

She did get 1 cs line (4.92%)

I hope that doesn’t screw up anything with cs sharing

[umbral crown]

Welcome to the triple win gang @pastel narwhal Our gang is growing

[pastel narwhal]

[umbral crown]

[pastel narwhal]

5-win champs gang next

[rich quail]

How do I join?

[pastel narwhal]

just be with a daily attacker, you'd have already memorized everything he does for that third win

[rich quail]

I got plenty of those

[kindred moth]

Ai yo

[crude karma]

Any pvp team pls? (Including SAnis and Emilia if possible)

Rookie arena

[slate osprey]

special arena def team 🙏🙏

[dim sapphire]

Wind weakness code just dont get a break huh .

Og sakura powercrept lol?

[exotic wraith]

🗣️ Yo can I get some suggestions for Rookie and Special Arena Defence

[dim sapphire]

Asuka kit

[exotic wraith]

Cheers Boss

[umbral crown]

[coarse lake]

Pvp mains rejoice

Fairly likely none of them are good in pvp

[copper creek]

we are probably still going to have to pull them for sr, fyi... 🤣

[coarse lake]

Yeah

I prob getting all 3

[copper creek]

depends on how much i like the frame3

if the frame3 is ugly then nty lol

[worthy knoll]

Their kit are out?

[coarse lake]

Kit descriptions

They don't look good, unless their nukes are massive or something

[copper creek]

their cakes arent massive so i wouldnt expect that much

[coarse lake]

Mari supporter nuke has interesting use case, would be fun

But DMG prob too low

[worthy knoll]

Mmh.. 🤔 Only Rei prolly can be pvp I guess.. then again she's MG

[hard cliff]

I need def teams against this

Here is my Nikke box

[coarse lake]

Asuka base kit might give her a chance like ssakura

But yeah odds aren't very high

[worthy knoll]

Imo, don't always assume opponents will atk using their def team. then again, majority of casual players prolly does

I'll prolly pass if they are not good for pvp. I'm not a fan of EVA in the first place

[distant ingot]

1:15

[worthy knoll]

If it was a Grisaia collab, would prolly pull them all even if they are not pvp units. specially if its Yuuji's Master and Sister. Michiru and Makina too

[coarse lake]

Oh wow haven't heard grisaia in ages

I forgot the names of all the characters, only the general plotline

[umbral crown]

did they reveal kits?

[coarse lake]

Descriptions in patch notes

[umbral crown]

oh, will check it out then

[copper creek]

u'd nut in yuuji's sister bro, much less pull ...

[kindred moth]

now

[umbral crown]

still dominating

[kindred moth]

At least I still got 1st place once

[umbral crown]

you can still keep getting it

[kindred moth]

Maybe

[worthy knoll]

[copper creek]

tell me im wrong ...

[worthy knoll]

Nah you're not wrong there

[kindred moth]

wrong group ?

[umbral crown]

You are wrong

[keen vapor]

Reshuffle

[kindred moth]

[keen vapor]

How healing cube works

[keen vapor]

Reshuffle is delaying the grand opening of core dust cases

[blissful willow]

You guys should
Try and use viper phase 3 in PvP tbh

I'm not sure how well it works but Rosanna + viper can be serious if the rng aligns

[pastel narwhal]

echo stash opens

[glad meteor]

Better off using those resources on sr+ 5 nikke for ca imo

[keen vapor]

New combinator can be get on arena shop they know we have too much currency

[pastel narwhal]

how's the targetting of Viper+? since there's no boss, it's random?

[blissful willow]

Same as dorothy

[glad meteor]

The doll mats are hard to come by

[keen vapor]

THE NEW INTERCEPTION WITH A FREE STAT LOCKER

Boss 1: Fodder boss, is the easiest

Boss 5: custom module provider, requires 301 synchro

Rosy will be buying the 3 passes?

[copper creek]

how do u know the specifics

[keen vapor]

I read ||notices section||

[tawny vine]

yeah when i saw the combinator was from arena shop today decided to stop buying the books

[jolly maple]

free stat locker but it only works for 1 reroll

les go

[mighty haven]

Technically speaking, if I have no one else to fill a B1 spot, will Ludmilla do the job?

[copper creek]

well yes but why?
for ur boxes u shouldnt have this problem

[mighty haven]

this is my 160 alt...I show in a sec

[umbral crown]

go

[mighty haven]

I know I won't be able to break into D1 until 160 wall broken, just def not holding up on occasion at D2

[umbral crown]

[keen vapor]

Update first I'll do two levels soon tho

[whole shell]

Hey, it saves 2 rocks technically for 1 reroll

It'd originally take 3 rocks to reroll, now it only takes 1

Better than nothing

[umbral crown]

[keen vapor]

Trust

[umbral crown]

i will, just wait till i work on her doll

[mighty haven]

Mind checking to see if this current def is fine @copper creek @umbral crown

[umbral crown]

trust me bro?

[keen vapor]

I'm gonna miss nodding

[keen vapor]

You gated?

[copper creek]

your t3 begging for trouble
ill recook once im home

[mighty haven]

Gated for 160

[umbral crown]

come home, mister

[umbral crown]

waos

[pastel narwhal]

I'm guessing p1 since Doro is AR, she always applies active on whoever she is autotargetting on pve. But since Viper+ is sg it'll be p5-p1. I can't think of juicier targets on those spots except for scar/jack, but the prob is feed and noah

[blissful willow]

Probably like that, yeah

[keen vapor]

[whole shell]

T1: put Scarlet in P1 unless Poli is jackal linked, and jackal in P5

T2 seems fine, but if that S.Anis isn't burst 9 she's just gonna be eh

T3 get rid of Tia, she'll just slow down your burst and slot in another battery as the team is too slow

Also burst with mPriv instead as she has a stronger nuke than Noir

[mighty haven]

Dumb question, how do I figure out who Jackal will link to?

[whole shell]

Jackal links to the two highest attack units

[pastel narwhal]

you can do a quick test in union shooting range and check their buffs

[mighty haven]

Thanks, I'll go check in a bit

[mighty haven]

Jackal linked to Scar + Liter

[umbral crown]

Si

[kindred moth]

Si

[pastel narwhal]

Si

[mighty haven]

Si

[lone sequoia]

i know that bastion allow you to keep the damage output delaying reload time (you don't waste time and damage with the reloads), then try to explain me with numbers, remember that it must be the change from skill 2 to 3.
the guy already have quantum 6, so he can get lv 7 faster than the bastion 7 also i already told them to wait for the cube patch before they spend their mats.
about the quantum cube, i think you are only thinking about the change from 3RL to 2RL in RL teams, when you need a bit more burst gen to start the chain, but with other weapons in speeds between 2-3-4RL the burst gen is a normal race, some teams will burst before others at the same RL" speed.

[lone sequoia]

what happen?

[whole shell]

Yeah, I assumed the same after looking at your box since Liter is higher up

Putting Scar in P1 should still be safe though since enemy team can feed Jackal + Scar S2 to push you to faster speeds

[keen vapor]

I've been previously told that "healing cube improves healing only on the unit that holds it" when it actually is "improves the healing that the unit applies to anyone"

Couldn't remember who said the earlier statement. It was munch apparently

[bleak shale]

ngl never have i ever wanted to win a fight by bursting faster 0.01s faster without any protection that sounds scary AF

2 spooky 4 me

but yea burst gen generally works in breakpoints

quantum cube wont make a difference if ur a full RL/sg shot off

[lone sequoia]

#pvp-arena message ?

[bleak shale]

which are our core generators

[keen vapor]

[umbral crown]

[blissful willow]

It isn't about being close or not

The fact is that quantum is a useless cube 99% of the time while bastion is always useful

And its not 1 ammo, stop talking dumb stuff if you don't understand the math behind it

A lvl3 bastion is ~25% ammo buff to final ammo count AFTER including all ammo buffs

A lvl7 bastion is ~42% ammo buff to final ammo count

[blissful willow]

It's because you can't win by bursting .01s faster

[lone sequoia]

it should be from 6 to 7 no? since that is when you get the skill upgrade

[blissful willow]

Lvl3 of cube is cube skill lvl2
Lvl7 of cube is skill lvl3

Lvl 3/4/5/6 is same

[bleak shale]

idk maybe we're both trolling and running smg/ar only teams

with no protection and scar burst to win

[blissful willow]

I will use my adjutant cube to burst 1 frame before you

[blissful willow]

The simple fact you need to understand is that all these cubes are useless

They are literally niche as heck, and need to be used once in a blue moon to actually matter.

The only cubes that actually work are bastion and resilience cubes

You name a cube and ill point out a simple flaw, which 99% of the time is the abysmal values

[bleak shale]

charge speed cube with charge speed OLs specifically tuned

idk the tuning tho so i cant even do it

🐒

[blissful willow]

Vigor, tempering, and endurance are the same thing: basically increase tanking ability, none of them work realistically unless you know how much the opponent is hitting for, which is impossible if you're facing them for the first time OR otherwise keeping tabs on them. Hence, they are used for CP

Healing cube is just a fraud cube tbh

I don't know a situation where if my blanc healed for 100 more hp by unit would've survived

[keen vapor]

[blissful willow]

Charge speed and quantum relic cubes are niche in itself
There are breakpoints you can reach with them if you are using the right units//have the right overload gear

Hitrate cube is just. LMFAO

[lone sequoia]

i think you are too focused with what bastion does in general and with your own words the change to 6 ammo is 7 to 8 and the impact is for units with more ammo, something that we all now

[blissful willow]

The change to what is what?

[lone sequoia]

with the 25%ammo-42% i know that should be more when the battle progess

[blissful willow]

Even if you have an Alice with 15 ammo (which is an Alice with basic human rights), a bastion cube is better for her

For an SG with 13/14 or whatever ammo, bastion is better for them

I don't think I need to speak on MGs

[blissful willow]

If a unit has 6 ammo you are not using her with bastion cube

[lone sequoia]

yes

i think that you are trying to prove a point that we already know

[keen vapor]

So 15 ammo is enough

[blissful willow]

What I'm trying to tell you is that

While bastion is not used on EVERY unit

It is more useful than ANYTHING quantum cube can give to you

Bastion is useful

Quantum is bad

That is what I'm trying to say

Please try to understand that

[lone sequoia]

i didn't say that bastion is bad or the other cubes are better, i said that ET can get lv7 quantum first since he already is at lv6(more than bastion) but to that i told to people on this channel to wait for the cube patch so they can decide what is better for them

[lunar dirge]

quantum has niche use in pvp by making certain comps actually viable

[kindred moth]

I need 9999999999 amo so not need reloading

[blissful willow]

Name said comps
At BEST you can name 5 comps dude

At BEST

[umbral crown]

[lunar dirge]

Why did i said niche to begin with

[blissful willow]

What I'm trying to say is that spending on quantum is a waste for when your bastion and resil aren't complete

[lone sequoia]

some 2RL with different units and quantum in biscuit or in the team

[umbral crown]

[pastel narwhal]

[lone sequoia]

i think a waste is when you spend on something and you don't use it

[blissful willow]

I think you are right

[worthy knoll]

Tbf, nowadays I just use Charge Speed cube instead of quantum. Coz I can still get 100% gen even without it. Well aside from that, I use it as a CP kicker if needed

[blissful willow]

The problem is that you are probably using quantum cube to just get extra cp

Hence you are not really using quantum cube

[lone sequoia]

i use that cube to target dodge, same cs and change position +cube (slower unit) to dodge initial hit or 2nd hit with target skip (more cs from left to right p1-2-3) normal 2RL lose by that 1 whiff

[worthy knoll]

Well my units haven't whiff yet luckily so

[blissful willow]

Does whiffing even happen still

Zixk told me it hasn't happened recently

[lone sequoia]

no, i use resilience lv10, quantum depends on the comp, i use some 2rl that need quantum to reach that speed other cubes just for synergy vigor/tempering

[worthy knoll]

Its does for some, pro emi iframer moments happens

[blissful willow]

I see

[lone sequoia]

i still see whiff against the people/unit i target

[worthy knoll]

Iirc, it returned after that patch where Noah BG was fixed

[glad meteor]

the ol changes increased whiffing with cs addition I assume

[spiral onyx]

Quantum is probably gonna be my first lvl 11 cube, but not intentionally

[umbral crown]

Quatum for the win

But what if it requires 100 for lv11

[spiral onyx]

It probably will

[keen vapor]

We need more batteries

[worthy knoll]

Oh guess it was much earlier patch. I scrolled up to look when a lot of whiffs have been noticed, it was after this patch was applied

[bleak shale]

It happened to me a little bit ago

Iirc

But it's been much more rare

[umbral crown]

[bleak shale]

But I also still have no idea why it happened I faught the guy again after and won

So unless he's a no life camper and decided to troll me specifically by rerolling his ol or removing cube within the 1 min of me fighting again

[glad meteor]

I remember winning a game, then I switched to horizontal mode and lost lol

[worthy knoll]

Imagine if they were using current screen resolution to calculate the distance between each unit on pvp which in turn also affects on how RLs behave

What I said to munch before

#pvp-arena message

[coarse lake]

whiffing doesn't happen to me ever since I rerolled my whiffable units off their CS lines

if anything enemies now whiff on my units (them having higher cs increases their chances at whiffing)

but tbf I've only fought like 4 unique teams in the past month (rookie)

[glad meteor]

I’m pretty sure there’s this one person in my rookie bracket who has 2cs lines on their noah, my units always whiif against that one comp.

[bleak shale]

that wouldnt surprise me

[glad meteor]

Is ros supposed to dispel 5 buffs each, or altogether?

[coarse lake]

your units with less CS whiff on them?

if your units have 0 CS and they still whiff, then that's a problem

logically speaking, it's possible, especially on first RL shot

[glad meteor]

I think I tried
Noah/biscuit/emi/rh/jackal when I removed cs of noah and jackal, emi had 4.92+4.04, rh 4.92, they all whiffed. Ever since then I switched the comp

[coarse lake]

you're sure noah and jackal whiffed instead of biscuit and emi?

[glad meteor]

Yh, I bursted slower and took scar nuke, rh hitting into a wall and i’m cooked

[lone sequoia]

was that the emi to emi whiff 2nd hit?

[coarse lake]

yeah do you have vid

[glad meteor]

Probably deleted it since I lost. I got a similar of win though

[glad meteor]

No, this was scar comp. Noah biscuit rapu variant

[coarse lake]

it could just come down to exactly how much cs, which shifts the timing so that one proj might hit right when the opponent is covering

noah might also have a different cs amount for whiffing since slightly faster proj

[lone sequoia]

sbs aggro drop to rapu p2?

[lone sequoia]

i remember some videos about that

[glad meteor]

This is diff comp which wins though emi 21

[lone sequoia]

emi p4 to noah p1

noah without cs lines(?

[glad meteor]

Yes

[oak tundra]

Thirsty - BLADE - if Youre here, im sad for U, youre a no lifer, or have any spyware to detect uve been beaten in arena, cause youre always counterattack after 3-4 mins, even using gems haha, dspite youll have the same final reward as me, lol, Youre funny 😉

[umbral crown]

Guess all together

From highest attackers

[glad meteor]

Thanks, Just needed confirmation,

[coarse lake]

yeah enemy noah had CS

made both noah and biscuit miss at least 1 proj, although noah looked like 1 shot hit and another missed, but still no dmg number

[worthy knoll]

Lol, almost 0 BG, 1 RL time valueif it werent for SAnis and RH

[coarse lake]

even emilia missed

[lone sequoia]

the way i try to get dodge is, i check the video notice the time for the shot+ animation (some units have different animation) then i go with a tier or cs cube less to that speed(no cube against enemy p1-2 or cube for p4-p5)

[coarse lake]

I think this guy tuned his noah to have so much CS that it worked in his favor

[copper creek]

i dont believe i said that
i never cared about the specifics
i only said its useless

[keen vapor]

[lone sequoia]

for 2nd hits is harder since i need a targt skip with cover to p4 or p5 most of the time

[copper creek]

and tbh, i dont care to know why its useless either

[glad meteor]

I think this person got lucky on cs rolls, they don’t pvp much

[copper creek]

i know what i need from cubes and the healing cubes generally is not it

[keen vapor]

Bad MA

[copper creek]

end of the day - if its useless

[umbral crown]

[copper creek]

why does it matter why it's useless lol

[coarse lake]

their centi has even more CS than noah

quite weird though

emilia with higher cs still whiffed, her shot passed well before noah and biscuit's shot went past

is the whiff window really that massive?

[copper creek]

why is whiff happening again is my question

didnt they fix it and have it totally stop happening at one point
rather than asking why whiff window is so massive im more curious as to why its happening again

[lone sequoia]

some 2RL teams go with the exact speed, so 1 whiff drop the speed

[coarse lake]

emilia had higher cs, noah and biscuit had lower cs

both missed somehow

[copper creek]

tbh i cant make sense of this myself

[lone sequoia]

but the slower units should get the dodge

[coarse lake]

maybe initial hit is the weird one?

[lone sequoia]

you have cs, position+animation i don't know about the server load but i think is easier to try to dodge initial hits than 2nd hits (if you know the guy and need to drop his speed)

[coarse lake]

noah is both the slower and faster unit and dodged them all like she's in the matrix

[glad meteor]

my sanis has 4.92 cs if cs sharing affects too

Sanis 4.92
Rh 4.92
Emi 4.92 4.04

[coarse lake]

the whiffs I've seen are usually 2nd shot and onwards

[lone sequoia]

maybe pvp have the same top right trick to get more dodges

[coarse lake]

it would affect the timing of the projectiles landing

but it's usually against p1 anyway

emilia in p3 + higher cs than noah might be too fast cs?

[lone sequoia]

yep

[coarse lake]

noah p1 and biscuit p2 should make them about the same proj speed since noah is innately faster

[lone sequoia]

but with more cs should not be a problem

most of the time whiff happen because 1 tier diff in cs effect

like 4-8+ position

[coarse lake]

noah biscuit probably 1 tier lower, emilia prob 1 tier higher then

[coarse lake]

what s1 lvl was your emilia here

[lone sequoia]

it was another +4%

[glad meteor]

8

[copper creek]

hmmm

[coarse lake]

how much CS rolls did she have

oh wait s1 won't activate for first shot

[copper creek]

ok wait, so your emilia is s1 8 and 8.96% CS?

[glad meteor]

^

[lone sequoia]

1 line, no?

[coarse lake]

ah

then yeah 4-5% CS diff in either direction seems to cause it? but why did their noah not whiff on yours

[glad meteor]

If it’s going of this calc, yes

[coarse lake]

[lone sequoia]

he/she also got a emi to emi p2 2nd hit whiff

[copper creek]

yeah thats what im tryin gto figure out

8.96 + 12.1% (s1 lv8 after first shot)

[coarse lake]

I've never seen a double whiff (both units whiffed on each other)

[copper creek]

why the hell did their noah not whiff on u then

[coarse lake]

if it's just cs diff in either direction, double whiff should be quite common

[glad meteor]

[copper creek]

dafak

[coarse lake]

maybe emilia's closer positioning made her cs tier higher than 1 above

let's say like 1.5 tiers higher in cs

[lone sequoia]

like p5-p4 or p5 to p5 and p4(enemy) to your p5?

[coarse lake]

if you're 1 tier lower or 1.5 tiers higher, enemy whiffs?

something like that? would explain this situation, but idk if accurate

[lament latch]

whats the chance of winning?

[lone sequoia]

i don't think you can double whiff against the same units, maybe if the reload animation affect that and are different

[coarse lake]

p1 to p1 mainly

[copper creek]

put blanc/emi/rh/biscuit/centi on t2 and you're probably gold
t1 is joke team, do whatever

[coarse lake]

man they need to just remove iframing from pvp entirely

[copper creek]

didnt they successfully do this for a period of time

wtf happened and as fun as this conversation is, why are we even having this conversation is my question lmao

[coarse lake]

keep an aiming pose hitbox even when covering.... which means cover is useless

but it's already kinda useless in pvp anyway

[lone sequoia]

i like whiff and residual

[bleak shale]

remove pvp entirely and give me 3k gems biweekly as compensation

[lone sequoia]

more thing to cnsider when you make teams

[coarse lake]

yeah but they can't do it in any consistent manner

[copper creek]

bay wants a word with u 😂

[coarse lake]

if it was a consistent mechanic I would be ok with it

[lone sequoia]

but that doesn't work against people you fight for the first time

i wonder if people will use bay/scarlet in CA

[bleak shale]

its consistently inconsistent thats why we cant find the cause well

[copper creek]

uh

[coarse lake]

bay should still be fine

[bleak shale]

[coarse lake]

just keep her out of splash if you want her cover to stay

[copper creek]

consistently garbage yep

[lone sequoia]

bay p4 then

[coarse lake]

I use bay in p2 bc I'm fairly confident enemy doesn't have the splash to break cover before bay bursts and blocks a nuke

prob should do p3, but whatever, it's working so far

[copper creek]

at least you know if ur def is working or not ... 😂

[coarse lake]

idk what happened, this guy was able to bring down the guy who uses my teams but higher cp

but just... doesn't do it anymore

either it was a fluke or the dude realized it wasn't worth it

he usually gotta use both hits to hit one of us, so he's never gonna keep his position anyway

[umbral crown]

[coarse lake]

but now I'm a lot more worried every day

[lone sequoia]

rip, i don't have bay in my main account

[coarse lake]

rookie folks gave up entirely

[copper creek]

why worried

enjoy free 3k gems 🙂

[coarse lake]

haven't been hit in last 9 days, can't scroll down further

[coarse lake]

bc I know someone in bracket can now beat my defense (which is lower cp than the one he already beat once), even if it was a fluke

[lone sequoia]

like+10 hits against the same person, he always use gems against me so my turn(?

[lament latch]

Is that team any good for rookie arena

[coarse lake]

no one gems in my sp anymore (from what I can tell)

we just relaxing

[lone sequoia]

is ok, but people can counter you with taunt(defender)+biscuit

[coarse lake]

4-8 shuffle around daily, but they seem to just do 2 hits

[pastel narwhal]

same in mine, people found out it's pointless

[coarse lake]

we're just all here for the gems lol

[bleak shale]

mine still gems against me

[copper creek]

same story here tbh
c4-d3 is a clusterf right now but no one can be bothered with my top3

[bleak shale]

they havent learned

[lone sequoia]

at least 4 people in my sp top10 use gems

[copper creek]

they probably figured out its not gonna work lol

[lament latch]

How to work around that?

[coarse lake]

do you have emilia

[lament latch]

Yes

[lone sequoia]

if i lose with free tries is fine to me, but i don't like when people start using gems, even more with this bad pvp mode

[bleak shale]

rookie is dead nomatter what u do u get countered

[coarse lake]

swap noise with emilia if you still want jackal to burst and rh as dps

makes it harder for noah biscuit

[lone sequoia]

unless you go with a 2RL rosanna that can oneshot supporter/defnder so +30% cp gap

[copper creek]

wait

[lament latch]

Okay

[copper creek]

2rl rosabanana?

[bleak shale]

just get rapu teamed

[copper creek]

that sounds like an idea!

[lone sequoia]

too easy to counter if you don't get 2 oneshots

[glacial lion]

huh?

💀 lap + ros linked, dmg reduce from lap doll will only reduce herself dmg receive or it also work on other 2?

[lone sequoia]

rosanna need more crit(?
T2 i don't know why they don't target crown for the 2nd hit, when i try that team the units always go full against crown
T3 good p3-5 chain, the sbs aggro drop killed his blanc

[glad meteor]

Hmm, i was wondering on that interaction. If Jackal comps needing similar damage reduction when running blanc comps

[lone sequoia]

should be likle distributed damage, no? if a unit get x amount of damage that's what they get between the 3 units(?

[glacial lion]

oh right, dmg reduce from doll doesnt make her receive less dmg, ig blanc indom wrong target cuz base stats diff from doll

[polar echo]

Quick silly question regarding today's patch notes, is the reshuffling fully random or does our current rank/points are taken into account? can you end up in a new bracket with no one you fought before?

[glad meteor]

@pseudo arch can I ask if you’re going to attack me?

[lone sequoia]

we don't know since they changed to 3months reshuffle they do the minimal changes to sp brackets, sometimes the last rank (no rewards) give a better ranks if they don't add people, but it is always the same, the people in the new sp bracket are from a server range near your sub-server (all by creation date) so you can be in bracket A-B or C in your sub-server range

[pseudo arch]

Who are you ig ?

[glad meteor]

Kara

[pseudo arch]

Oh, nah I don’t even have attacks anymore lol

How is your team so strong with the lvl deficit?

[glad meteor]

Oh lol, i just used both attacks too lol

[glad meteor]

I OL’d my sp team except poli

OL gives a lot of cp

[pseudo arch]

I have mainly use rocks them for pve and UR, but I’ll try to focus on arena once the new interception begins

[glad meteor]

That’s what I should’ve done too haha, good luck

[pastel narwhal]

wholesome

[lunar dirge]

I think it depends who's getting hit

[lone sequoia]

full elemental damage on SG

[keen vapor]

I'll just be hoarding

[devout falcon]

We know

[keen vapor]

Not core dust tho

[devout falcon]

yeah that’s pain

[worthy knoll]

It should use the def and damage reduction of whoever is targeted then divy it between the 3

[glacial palm]

They prob gave it one last try

My def teams still holds up

[keen vapor]

Man, I wish

[devout falcon]

That bracket is so peaceful compared to my newbie one

[pastel narwhal]

everything was peaceful 'til they fixed noah

[glacial palm]

On one hand i want to share my cooking so people can defend even better

On the other, i dont want chaos to rain

[keen vapor]

NOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH

[devout falcon]

[keen vapor]

Responsible most likely I don't have the ingredients for the recipe anyways

[glacial palm]

Oh the ingredients are common

Its just the recipe and how it interacts with the attackers

[mighty haven]

I did have a peaceful bracket

[keen vapor]

I know Noah is common, I know Rosanna is common, I know Ludmilla is common!

[mighty haven]

If you want pain, my 3 accounts first Pilgrim Mold were Noahs

[devout falcon]

Better than my harran

Dupe

[mighty haven]

Harran a cheap Scarlet if nothing else

[keen vapor]

You know, outside of banners I got: Rapunzel like twice and Isabel,

[devout falcon]

I got ein for that

[keen vapor]

That was after 2 months of starting

[keen vapor]

I DON'T HAVE ANY

[mighty haven]

No Pilgrim banners for me yet, only seen SBS and Isabel from Mold since

[mighty haven]

Meta power yes

[eternal finch]

losin a lot

[eternal finch]

this is my current roster

[glacial palm]

Should i share my def comp?

[devout falcon]

[keen vapor]

U really want to isn't it

[glacial palm]

You gonna hate it once you see it in your bracket

[devout falcon]

Prolly has nikkes my bracket cant access anyways

[keen vapor]

[glacial palm]

https://tenor.com/view/constantine-lucifer-it's-done-gif-16924169752630213888

[keen vapor]

so, Tia "steals"taunt back out something?

[glacial palm]

With 2 taunters and the cube i put on rapunzel/taunters

The heals will keep coming while both taunters alternating the incoming damage

[worthy knoll]

Noah P2 makes that team Scar Jackable

[keen vapor]

[umbral crown]

[keen vapor]

How

[umbral crown]

[glacial palm]

Use that and you gonna face team 2 and 3 without much counter

[umbral crown]

enemy team gets more burst gen

[keen vapor]

I WANT THIS BIRBS

[glacial palm]

Its not gonna matter, thats what i want them to think

[umbral crown]

you forget about emilia?

[glacial palm]

I didnt

I timed it

[topaz bison]

Is there a list of top pvp teams? I know units have their own pvp ranking but i dont know how to pair them together, i dont really have the time to go through a bunch of units kits that ive never used b4 outside of pvp

[umbral crown]

also, people can just fight 2 teams and win

[glacial palm]

Emilia will shoot her shot ~1 second before the noah burst ends iirc

[keen vapor]

I really think team 3 can be improved

[glacial palm]

Not my bracket

[umbral crown]

remember, teams can be ajusted to match her speed

[glacial palm]

They dont know what cube or OL lines im running

[pastel narwhal]

[umbral crown]

they fight you first time and see, can calculate the exact time you burst

[worthy knoll]

Its easy to beat, like team 3 I just need a taunter and biscuit

T1: Scar Emi Blanc RH Jackal

T2: Noah Noise SBS Centi Biscuit
Or
T3: Moran Biscuit SAnis Laplace+ Centi

Heck I can even just Nero your T1 if I want to, then use T2 counter then Scarjack T3 for all 3 wins

[umbral crown]

we do not know what people use

and we fight them daily

[glacial palm]

The margin of error for that tho?

[umbral crown]

i would say its low, people can use the burst calculator which is at pins

[glacial palm]

Well hopefully they arent in maincord

[glad meteor]

Just so I know for the future? t2 safe for all

Scar/blanc/rh/emi/jackal comps

That scar s2 is scary, haven’t gone up against that comp much

[glacial palm]

I need to come here more often to brush up my pvp cooking, still recovering from SR cooking over in #team-building

[umbral crown]

[bleak shale]

how much of pvp do u think is just zixk vs zixk

[umbral crown]

[pastel narwhal]

no need to change anything if it's working don't teach your bracket anything

[glacial palm]

Exactly

[whole shell]

There's sort-of cookie cutter teams that you can follow that revolve around certain units

Prydwen has a pvp teams page that you can skim through, but just for ease of access I'll list the cores here:

Scarlet/Jackal, often shortened to scarjack

S.Anis/Biscuit

Blanc/Emilia