pvp-arena

[feral thistle]

and for attack?

[remote pumice]

This for defense or attack?

[lone sequoia]

go with that noah/biscuit/sbs

[feral thistle]

i need a team for both, attack and defense

[umbral crown]

defense, for attack it can kill most comps but attack teams will depends of what enemy team has since every team has a counter

[umbral crown]

will depend what you fight since comps do not work for everything, every comp has a counter

this will not always work, and more since no buffed

what teams you fight

at your sync you must have most units

[lone sequoia]

attack teams depends on the def team you can change core (like scarlet/jackal or noah/biscuit or blanc something) and match speed
the problem with sbs is that defender taunt

+biscuit S2 counter sbs normal attacks

[umbral crown]

whats your cp with Noah-Biscuit-Emilia-Red Hood- Jackal

[coarse lake]

Noise/Bscar/Rapunzel/Jackal/Noah

with noise higher atk than rapunzel, and noise and noah same CS

Noah/Noise/Bscar/Biscuit/Jackal

[umbral crown]

you could try this comp if you have some attemps in rookie, record if you can

[lone sequoia]

biscuit p2*

noise p2 and rh out

[coarse lake]

how much hp left

[lone sequoia]

against blanc/scarlet depends on scarlet ammo, damage and speed, since those teams can proc biscuit S2 early and you have to tank like 4 seconds until blanc burst end

[coarse lake]

ok your noise having higher ammo nearly messed you up there

stole taunt from noah post-burst

yes if you make noah and noise same ammo, it will help

optimally build up rapunzel enough so she's not a cp loss, a proper godcomp is the comfiest way to stall out such a team

how much CS do noise and noah each have

[umbral crown]

[coarse lake]

actually for a comp with biscuit ig it doesn't matter how much CS they got

ok that's fine, same CS is optimal

and if same ammo as well, the same comp as before should work better now

[lone sequoia]

now i can pre-shot sr boss parts with biscuit

[coarse lake]

ah wait, huh, noise still has prio

[lone sequoia]

cubes (?

[coarse lake]

maybe swap noise and bscar

[dim sapphire]

if same speed with noah noise get priority

[coarse lake]

noise's shot needs to land on scarlet earlier

[dim sapphire]

noise just need one more speed line

[coarse lake]

or give noise adjutant

[dim sapphire]

whats with the bug on adjutant?

[lone sequoia]

target skip from units taking cover (?

[coarse lake]

ah ig that's not enough

Noah/Bscar/Noise/Jackal/Biscuit if you wanna try that order

keep adjutant on noise

goal is to make noise's shot land on scarlet before noah's does, either through faster CS or being closer to enemy P1 (P5 being the closest position)

that way noah always has aggro

oh I can see them side by side

ok yeah that finally was enough

yes

if you wanna test out that biscuit comp but remove adjutant from noise, that would be helpful test info

same CS on noise noah, same ammo on noise noah, noise higher atk than rapunzel are the prerequisites for optimal god comp in that position

seems like noah's proj does move very slightly faster than usual

nah old change, but haven't gotten around to testing it personally

[rich quail]

Hey, all. Just checking to see if this lineup is good. Any help is appreciated. 🙇🏻‍♂️

Updated box

[coarse lake]

t1 indom will go to centi or sanis (if centi dies)

[rich quail]

Oh… forgot about the anis/blanc thing. Who should I put in instead of anis?

[coarse lake]

t2 should be a win

you can use biscuit instead of sanis

your t2 doesn't need biscuit, just slap in a RL in there instead

[rich quail]

Biscuit, okay

You got it. I will check for cp deficit afterwards

Thanks @coarse lake I appreciate u

[coarse lake]

you can just use Blanc/Emilia/RH/Biscuit/Centi against T3 if you need help reaching cp

T2 doesn't need RH either

T2 can be something like:
Bscar/Noah/Anis/Rosanna/Jackal

[rich quail]

I will try t3 instead because I didn’t know what to do against noah biscuit, and t1 cp is hard to overcome rn

[coarse lake]

emi nuke will destroy their t3 noah biscuit

I would avoid their t1 blanc tbh

[rich quail]

Yeah, I felt t1 was bad news from the start because of my limitations with personnel

brb will update

[umbral crown]

[lone sequoia]

@coarse lake do you have ein or SG team?

[coarse lake]

I used to run SG teams yes, no ein team yet (still building her)

my go-to SG team back in the day is Maiden/Mary/Noir/Poli/Sugar

pepper instead of mary is possible, but I had worse results on def, so stuck with mary (heals)

[coarse lake]

wait or are you asking about SR

I'm missing bsoda, and the rest of my SG team is either lvl 4 invest or no invest

[rich quail]

All clear?

[coarse lake]

yes

[rich quail]

@coarse lake you da boss

[coarse lake]

slight chance they might kill your emi though, hopefully their emi isn't too strong

[rich quail]

I will record and show if iPhone no crashie

Their Diesel was much stronger than their Emi

[lone sequoia]

rosanna*

[rich quail]

Yes
That’s what 4 lines of atk at 44% and 7/10/10 gets you

[lone sequoia]

i mean, rosanna proc diesel heal

[rich quail]

Oh
How did that happen

[lone sequoia]

like+10%hp per hit

[rich quail]

wat

Do you think Diesel had treasure?

[lone sequoia]

no, that is normal diesel

[rich quail]

Oh…
Today
I learned

I was wondering why she didn’t die

I thought something was wrong with my Rosanna

I guess she is like Emma?
Never fought a Diesel before

Thought I needed 10/10/10 Rosanna with 50%+ atk lol

[lone sequoia]

the only real change for treasure diesel is that she doesn't require full burst for her heals

and +100% hp (without heal) in her burst

so you can use a 1-1/2 burst cycle

[rich quail]

Ah okay
But I guess it was still worth having Rosanna because she 1-shot Scarlet and almost killed Maxwell

[lone sequoia]

yep

[rich quail]

But I will remember what Diesel does
Once again, many thanks @coarse lake @lone sequoia everyone

I will keep learning

[coarse lake]

oh lol

is that treasure diesel

if worried about that, can replace rosanna with someone else

[rich quail]

Nah, it was the right choice you helped me make

Taking out Scarlet and Maxwell before they could do damage made the match very one-sided

[copper creek]

nop thats normal

treasure will be even worse lol

[rich quail]

I’ll try to analyze the teams you helped me build to get better for next time

If that was treasure Diesel, would I have lost?

Not sure if she has extra atk power or anything

[worthy knoll]

I feel its treasured Diesel.. coz if it is untreasured, there should be a 5 second taunt debuff icon right when she bursts? But I don't see it on Anis 🤔

Ahh wait nvm, diesel didn't burst, it was Centi who bursted

[velvet sky]

sending whale a message

i knew he’s gonna jump me right when i saw him take c9, i was waiting

[umbral crown]

when i see something like this i regret not buying her costume

[velvet sky]

now i need more atk lines on emi bc his cursed c5 scalter (def with sr doll too) doesn’t die to emi nuke & my indom almost runs out while dealing w/ her 1v1

[rich quail]

Yeah I was watching that right now.

I’m reading the notes on treasure Diesel… let me know if I got this right or wrong, but…

W/O treasure: The proc healing for Diesel S1 happens if the team goes into full burst

With Treasure: S1 proc healing happens when attacked in Attract status

[umbral crown]

ET soon building Diesel

[rich quail]

I don’t think the enemy team did full burst, because their Scarlet and Maxwell died

[umbral crown]

[rich quail]

No it says here on prydwen that the treasure is not so good in pvp lol

[umbral crown]

then something diferent happens

like Rosanna Tier S or A in pvp section

[crystal flicker]

1500

Can't even test comp bruh

[umbral crown]

Rin sending strong messages

[rich quail]

mind games

they’re trying to psyche us out

[worthy knoll]

They full burst with MW but she died while still charging to release it. As for the S1, it just almost the same, just a 300msish difference if FB is not Modernia long, just that this time the taunt is a buff to herself, and last 10 seconds. While previous one was a debuff to enemy for just 5 sec.

[umbral crown]

just wait till i show munch my future viper+ phase 3

[crystal flicker]

The message is "I have no enemies"

[umbral crown]

imagine being in the same server as Rin

[crystal flicker]

Also got attacked by C2

[umbral crown]

send him another message

[crystal flicker]

Free gems

[umbral crown]

Echo would love it

[rich quail]

ah, I didn’t even noticed the Maxwell spark until I did slow-mo on the replay I have

You can see a little charge spark and then Maxwell dies a half second later

[umbral crown]

[worthy knoll]

Did anyone tested Ein using Jackal burst? Like does Jackal burst affects the feather's damage?

[coarse lake]

I don't think it would apply, but who knows

[keen vapor]

It shouldn't

[worthy knoll]

How about Jackal burst affecting SSakura DoT?

[coarse lake]

probably not either, but worth a test ig

[keen vapor]

Not worth

[coarse lake]

it does seem to be pretty explicit that it has to affect 1 enemy unit

[rich quail]

Yeah, I’m trying to make heads or tails on what she gains/loses

That’s literally what it says on this prydwen guide

Diesel gains Attract (better than taunt) but loses the debuff, like you said

[keen vapor]

This tbh

[keen vapor]

Diesel It's better cause it affects everything?

[grizzled bone]

just MLBd S Anis and can start saving gems again

[keen vapor]

[worthy knoll]

Its almost just the same defending wise, what she gained is for PVE mode, easier to stack up for unli ammo, and when reach max stacks, increase pierce damage of allies (who can pierce)

[rich quail]

I… think so?

[keen vapor]

You got time to save, Zwei is next

[rich quail]

Yeah, that’s what the guide explains. Good for Maxwell and Laplace

But for pvp, it’s 🤷🏻‍♂️

[grizzled bone]

oh really? I'll pull for 1 copy maybe if her kit is good/synergizes with Ein

[worthy knoll]

Well, she did increase her max hp at least when bursting increasing her heals per hit by double than usual

[rich quail]

Maybe more damage potential?
But if you can clear out everyone else but Diesel pierce does her little good I would imagine

It does say that mg will die tho

Interesting stuff
But yeah the moral of the story is probably use Rosanna against Diesel regardless

[rich quail]

Yeah basically went back to full health

[worthy knoll]

Doesn't matter, even if there is a Diesel there, Rosanna's job still the same, killing the attackers the moment she bursts

[rich quail]

Yes
Thank you for explaining what was going on with that

I was like, why is she still alive for so long?

[worthy knoll]

Well another part of the advantage of getting attract is its 10 seconds taunt now. Previous 5 second taunt debuff was too short that makes her an unreliable taunter for like SAnis, SBS, RH/Alice, where you want them to focus on the taunter for most of the duration of their burst in tandem with Biscuit(in case of SBS). But for skill 1 wise heal per hit, it the same by description whether it was on full burst or while she is on attract status, its roughly the same with a difference of 300Ms-ish if 10s FB. The only time previous S1 would be better is when using Modernia or BSoda who have extending fb time. Then again even if you extend it, S1 mode will be just as long, but does not mean anything if enemies is not attacking her coz of the short 5s taunt. So 10s attract makes her a much more reliable tanker than her non treasured counterpart.

[rich quail]

That makes sense that the longer, more reliable taunt is better, but only if your attacker are still alive to take advantage of it

Does any other Nikke have “attract” rather than “taunt”?

I’m still trying to understand how “attract” is better

[worthy knoll]

Effect wise, they don't differ that much, but it seems their taunt as a debuff is buggy. Like debuff taunts can't stack with each other while buff taunt (attract) can stack with each other and with even a debuff taunt. There are actually less debuff taunt nowadays, any new taunter use buff taunt. Longest debuff taunt is prolly Maiden which is 10 sec, but need to wait 30s to proc the first one

I feel like any future taunt units to come would be buff type (attract) instead of debuff

[grizzled bone]

I believe Keripo specifically outlines that Diesel is a great counter to MG units in PvP. But you rarely see MGs used now which is why I was wondering with the treasure if Diesel is more viable in PvP

[rich quail]

I was wondering if it makes S.Anis attack only an attracter compared to her attacking a taunter, yet able to still hit another unit

Diesel and Emma, right?

[grizzled bone]

totally forgot Emma was being used for a spell too after the Noise nerf

[rich quail]

I knew Emma beat mg but I didn’t know about Diesel

As odd as that sounds

[worthy knoll]

@worn field I'm now getting confused on buff taunt priority, previous 2 attract units, we know the normal attacks prioritize left most buff taunter.. but now I tested placing Ludmilla together with them.. but reeeee, RLs natk prioritize leftmost Nero yes.. but now SG SAnis natk then prioritize on Ludmilla.. SAnis S2 also targets Nero and Lud instead of Nero and Moran

[idle minnow]

best sp arena build?

[rich quail]

Zwei just announced

double shotguns?

delicious

[idle minnow]

160 level gate is real

[rich quail]

I’m hoping it’ll be spicy whatever she brings

[worthy knoll]

Will double shotguns also hit twice as hard as a single shotgun?

[worthy knoll]

If this happens, P5 of attacking team would be much quicker to get wrecked..

[idle minnow]

same for offense?

[grizzled bone]

kinda off topic but i just realised my pulls have been crazy trying to MLB Sanis. I got 3 pilgrims

[idle minnow]

thank you!

[umbral crown]

guess isabel not really good at all

[eternal finch]

Noah's team is getting nuked. Any recs against these?

[grizzled bone]

😂 I was able to MLB Modernia and Rapu and got a copy of SBS. Really useful

ty ty

[rich quail]

I would love to know, myself

[next pebble]

What does SBS stand for?

[umbral crown]

i see, i have never seen anyone using her so i thought she would not fit in any pvp team

[grizzled bone]

I also have not seen Isabel in pvp in a long time

[coarse lake]

for good reason

the only place you see isabel these days is in some commander's bedrooms

useless everywhere else

[umbral crown]

isabel treasure soon then

[grizzled bone]

imagine giving a treasure to a pilgrim

[coarse lake]

isabel's treasure item is gonna be the commander's pillow or clothes or something

and we won't be giving her it, she simply takes it

[junior lintel]

i pulled s!anis recently so i was thinking about reshuffling my pvp teams, what do you guys think i should do? here are my current teams, and here's my bench

[grizzled bone]

I think it depends on how invested you are in S Anis. She really shines at 10-10-9 skills and can be surprsingly flexible

[eternal finch]

That worked! Thanks!

[wicked horizon]

I recently got Rapunzel. I hear she's pretty good in PvP. Should I make any change to the teams I was recommended just below?

(The roster images are in the post I replied to btw.)

[wicked horizon]

Ok, ty.
Might I be better off, in the second team you suggested, replacing DKW and Harran with, uh, Liter and Kilo?
The team feels a bit weak right now, but maybe that's just me.

[spiral onyx]

Quiry Meme Team is back!
(Not really, this is extremely unreliable lmao)

[crude crow]

Need help with special arena

[waxen tartan]

need a new def (again). current def is there
only 1 player keeps attacking me (they have invested rosanna)
also, can fps drop make you lose while attacking?

[spiral onyx]

@blissful willow @worn field
I have finished my Champion Arena cooking and achieved a result I am happy with.
5 decently solid teams with decently high win rates (against a fixed set of simplified defense teams).
Each satisfying almost all of the crazy requirements of:

• 3RL
• Has a tank
• Resilient against target-skipping
• Protected against AoE nukes
• AoE nuke on Burst
• Continual damage post-Burst
  Text scrambled/censored of course 🙂

[blissful willow]

That is epic
We still have 2 months of august and September for more units, maybe even october

I hope to see you at the top or ill definitely be disappointed

Now to wait for the rules

The most interesting thing of all will be how you used scarlet

Because the amount of teams scarlet can be in effectively is very low in my eyes

[spiral onyx]

Literally more than half a year of cooking since my last comp, which, compared to this one, is far far weaker

[spiral onyx]

Im at near-max level, so I should be at the top regardless of if its synced or unsynced (hoping its synced but have low hopes)

[blissful willow]

Time to doll up the units for now

[spiral onyx]

Double checked my spreadsheet history, I started cooking sometime in December last year

so this is literally the result of 8 months of cooking and testing

[spiral onyx]

I just lvl 15 SR doll'd my Moran and damn is she tanky

it took me half my mats though

[blissful willow]

Good luck for reals
I'm gonna start from the basics and invest a lot of time once they release the rulesets

[blissful willow]

Mats are insanely hard to come by lol
And the amount of PvP units that need them is nuts

[spiral onyx]

There were so many cooks that on paper looked great but in tests failed due to so many possible reasons, such as

1. P1 tank not actually being tanky enough (Noise and Noah cannot solo tank... but this was before dolls and the new Tempering cube)
2. AoE nukers requiring double buffs but there arent enough double buffs to go around
3. Target skipping happening too frequent cause the P1 unit wasn't a continual-shooting unit (e.g. AR/MG/SMG/SG)

for example, Ein, Blanc, Jackal. Looked great on paper but in practice Ein kept getting target skipped (cause she's a sniper rifle) and Blanc would just flop over and die

[blissful willow]

Gatrix figured that at some points vigor is actually > tempering btw
Might wanna research into that

He turned it into an effective hp comparison

[spiral onyx]

Another example is XMica and Poli's buff values just not being high enough so some AoE nuke teams would sometimes fall just short of 1-shot if the opponent team had Noise/Moran. I forsee this being even more of an issue with the new Vigor/Tempering cubes and dolls

[spiral onyx]

yeah, makes sense. Having a mix of +HP and -dmg reduction is always better cause its multiplicative

the diff isnt huge though, but its still something

[blissful willow]

With the added dilution of damage reduc with dolls too or smthng

[spiral onyx]

I dont think I'll be able to lvl 8 both my Vigor and Tempering cubes in time regardless and definitely wont have dolls on everyone Id like, so it'll be a mix-match scenario anyway

the biggest question will be whether they fix charge speed bug before champion arena

cause if they dont, then some matchups will literally be which side has more charge speed OLs lmao

4 charge speed OL Emmas

the craziest thing about this cook is that Ive abandoned Blanc due to lack of burst gen

it was either pick XAnne or Blanc and with Blanc, even if everyone wore Quantum, it was short of 3RL

[blissful willow]

That is absolutely wild and unexpected
I would and could never do that

That is super rough

[spiral onyx]

played around with different variants but the win rate numbers just said nope

could always change of course if we get new units who have PvP viability and higher burst gen

[blissful willow]

Maybe after the first season is over I'll ask about some stuff that I hope ill get answers to

For now I am genuinely very happy to see that we are finally getting champs

I hope they deliver man, I hope it's good

[spiral onyx]

[tawny vine]

question - the sheet says this should be a 3rl team but it still looks like it's 4rl when testing.

is the team maybe missing some shots?

[blissful willow]

You're using Emilia with 21% cs

Use normal emilia

[tawny vine]

she had 23% cs yeah

assuming you add the CS on overload + s1

[blissful willow]

Yes

[tawny vine]

then yeah kinda confused. maybe 105 isn't consistent for this team

[blissful willow]

You burst in 3rl

[tawny vine]

I also just replayed yeah maybe it just felt slower

[surreal atlas]

Heyooo could I get some advise on my SP arena defense, I feel like I'm getting pummeled atm but also I've pulled some new girls.

Heres my girls, and also any recs for rookie defense?

[worthy knoll]

It around between 3 and 4 RL, the problem is I don't know why but for some reason 3 RL burst gen increases on the calc if using Emi21, which should not unless she can do 4 RL in 3 RL time, but that needs to be at least 15.25% CS on OL alone and max S1, so about 28% CS total, if you use exactly Emi21.. next Emi hit is at 3.29 RL time for her 4th ammo hit. So actual bg value of 3 RL of Emi21 should be the same 3 RL value if you placed normal Emi.

[worthy knoll]

@full dew @bleak shale

[tawny vine]

i agree it looks like it's roughly 3.5rl since comparing it with my actual 3rl team it's a few frames slower

on the breakpoint from keripo's sheet emilia should have her first breakpoint as ~21% CS where she can contribute to faster 3RL.

i think 28% CS just helps reach 2RL for specific teams

could be misunderstanding it though

[worthy knoll]

28% CS (including S1) is only for 3 RL in 4 RL time.. but for 3 RL in exactly 2 RL time, OL CS (and +cube) to be at 26% so its about. So with max S1. Coz it'll be .26 (1st bullet)+.37(2nd)+.37(3rd) = 1 whole RL time cut for 3 ammos, making it exacly 3RL in 2RL time. So its actually 37% CS total if including max S1 for that

[tawny vine]

i'll just have to take your word for it since i don't understand the first principles for burst gen in this game. team building has just been me adding the 3RL values on sheets like a monkey

[worthy knoll]

Oh wait its 13% my bad, yeah 25% should be enough on OL(+ cube) for 3RL in 2 RL time

Not 26%

.25 + .38 +.38 = 1.01

[spiral onyx]

24.7% from OL lines + 2.12% from lvl 7 Adjutant cube + 13.01% from Emilia's S1 = 39.8% charge speed.
So pretty much if you want to fire off 3 rockets in 2RL time, you need ~40% charge speed in total

Good luck getting that. Its not worth it unless you got some crazy cook that needs it

[tawny vine]

i just wanted emilia to contribute 50 burst by 3 RL 😅

[spiral onyx]

Getting 24.7% charge speed from 4 OLs requires about 200 rocks on average of RNG

Emilia24.7 is not worth 200 rocks

Rem is better anyway

https://tenor.com/view/rem-smile-re-zero-anime-gif-21899424

[worthy knoll]

For that about minumum.. 28.26% CS (including max S1) total is need for that. So about 15.25% CS from OL (+cube if you use one)

[lime nebula]

How to counter?

[tawny vine]

this should be doable then thanks

[worthy knoll]

If you wanna know how that exact value came to be

[tawny vine]

haven't seen maths since college

[wild patio]

To player name ?HSY?, I am sending you this message as you have made me used my extra 100 gems for taking my place we can do this all day till one of us are run out of gems. STAY DOWN

[tawny vine]

if only people were forced to use their defence teams for attacks

[wild patio]

My DEF team is the same with my ATK team tho idk how did he pull it

[tawny vine]

the fact that i'm actually considering rolling off my default 3 lines with ele dmg just to get the last 3% CS emilia needs tho

[worthy knoll]

I will do it too in due time, but putting it on hold atm, since my Emi is not whiffing when battling any P1 RLs atm when I use my 2 RL Emi team, I don't want to change any CS values of any of my RL units for now.

[tawny vine]

she has 27.88% cs now even w/o cube so will give her a spin. losing ele% isn't the end of the world for her anyway. (29.47 /w cube)

[tawny vine]

really interesting to see the math at play. at 29.47% it looks way better. still 3 frames behind standard RL but way better than almost a second behind like last time

probably still won't beat the emi/blanc 3rl in sp arena with that comp but nice to have a new tool

[lunar dirge]

whiffs

or you put wrong emi in the sheet

[tawny vine]

we had a long discussion on it - 21% CS doesn't mean she shoots 4 shots in 3 RL time apparently

so i decided to change her from 23% CS to 29% cs after the feedback as in the clip.

now she'll whiff shots against RL pos 1 tho prolly

unrelated but i guess SR targets pos 2 now I just noticed from that clip? or maybe a bug in rookie arena

never mind they just shoot whoever ig. my rh actually shot pos 5 first and theirs shot pos 1 first.

[worthy knoll]

Attacking team SR target priority will be P5 to P1 of Defending team, if no target skipping (or like non RL/SR P5), will be continuously at P5 unless taunted. Defending team SR target priority P1 to P5 of Attacking team, same rule again unless taunted. The one with P5 targeting for defending team though are SGs

[lunar dirge]

i can get 2,1b in solo raid

wonder if it will be enough

[pastel narwhal]

They gemming for challengor 4

https://tenor.com/view/rupanti-apu-rupanti-apu-gif-popcorn-eating-popcorn-watching-gif-15576785

[glad meteor]

The person targetting me is going to gem me in rookie arena now that our attacks are up

I can sense why they attacked early, better off taking their gems and attacking now instead of later

[bleak shale]

I think @worn field was the one who gave the 21% cs Emilia 👀 I was too lazy to look at charge speed myself so he will have to confirm

[copper creek]

sry my dms went outta wack
friends who wanted the mirror container guide, drop me a dm

[bleak shale]

back to xiv raiding lmk when numbers r confirmed

[lunar dirge]

i found munch in poe guys

[umbral crown]

https://tenor.com/view/first-time-debbie-smith-brayden-holt-wentworth-is-this-your-first-gif-22815379

[worthy lake]

Dear all ,recommended team comp ? rookie

Hi @umbral crown

[trail inlet]

same RL noah noise bscar will do the job i think

[umbral crown]

Waos, looking nice. I really hope to see you in the top this cgamp server as our pvp representative

[potent ermine]

2 biscuit

[umbral crown]

Im not 100% sure but mirror with SBS as attacker

[narrow birch]

Chat how good is LaPlace ?

completly maxed

[worthy lake]

Other opinion ?

You mean mirror same comp but sbs as attacker

[wise horizon]

Any advice on this before I attack? @spice trellis @copper creek @worthy knoll

[spice trellis]

Seems fine to me

[narrow birch]

And what is the best defence team you can build without emilia but with Treasure LaPlace

[spice trellis]

There’s none

[worthy lake]

any advice ?

[spice trellis]

Noah noise sanis biscuit jackal
Scarlet blanc rh centi jackal
God comps
Those are some decent defense teams and none of them use Laplace

[narrow birch]

nono I meant for SP Defence

If I have every unit except Emilia is there no usecase for LaPlace ?

[spice trellis]

Noah noise sbs biscuit jackal

[spice trellis]

The best case scenario I can think of her since her auto is strong, is to put her in a shotgun team that has noir but it’s too niche

[worthy lake]

Win thanks

[umbral crown]

Yes or Blanc-Emilia-Red Hood-Biscuit-Jackal

[spice trellis]

Little late

[worthy lake]

Is ok I attacked from @spice trellis comp suggestion

[umbral crown]

[dawn wedge]

any recommendations on improving my defense teams now that I got some of the summer units? Really struggling to hold anything below 6th spot for more than 20 minutes lol.

advice for both arena types would be appreciated!

for reference, this is what I am running rn on SP arena

[umbral crown]

Noah/Rapunzel/S.Anis/Bunny Soda/Anis

Scarlet Black Shadow/Liter/Bay/Noir/Maid Privaty

Scarlet/Crown/Red Hood/Naga/Jackal

[lime nebula]

How to counter this comp in regular arena?

[dawn wedge]

I would say use your own Noah to counter their scarlet, and for the B3, use something like RH to go over the invulv duration of Noah? Not an expert myself thou, just throwing ideas around

[spice trellis]

Noah biscuit sanis red hood jackal

[lime nebula]

Will try after reset

[narrow birch]

Chat what are the 3 best sp defence teams to build without Emilia ?

[glad meteor]

Probably
Scar jack
Sanis stall
Mpriv nuke

most use sbs for third team, Rosanna could fit somewhere

Sbs is easily countered by defender taunter + biscuit or sakura though

[tawny vine]

entire apartment is burnt but going to for the memes in rookie

[rose plaza]

I used to beat this guy every time. I don't know what he did but now I don't

I know Rossana can block his Jackal link, but my rossana is not invested on. I tried her with basic gear and I still lost. Anything else I could do?

[glad meteor]

Noah burst gen doubled

[tawny vine]

enemy looks faster burst wise esp /w noah speed change

[rose plaza]

Then do I just not challenge him anymore?

I wish I had Noah

[tawny vine]

unless you could go even faster or somehow kill their scarlet before b1 even starts

you'd need a different team

[rose plaza]

Guess I'll just skip the guy. Rookie arena is not worth stressing about imo.

[tawny vine]

yeah i just use it to test around teams

[glad meteor]

You can probably do 2RL sbs/blanc/centi/emi/jackal sbs lowest hp

Vulnerable to whiffs though, happens a lot in rooke

[rose plaza]

No emi.

[glad meteor]

Can use anis, but just lower cp and she may need vigor cube,
You want jackal linked unit to be in p3

[rose plaza]

Don't have that cube yet. Would Adjutant on Anis make a difference?

Nevermind

[glad meteor]

Vigor cube is just mostly for ensuring blanc indom goes to sbs

[tawny vine]

scar/emi/rl flex/centi/jackal is what i would normally use here. but im no cook and they don't have emi

[glad meteor]

Opponent team is 2 RL, need to stay alive as long as noah buff lasts or use rosanna b1, to nuke first. Could use noise too since it’s unbuffed scar but they’ll still have noah invulnerable for 3 seconds

[spice trellis]

Do you have bay?

[umbral crown]

If its 2 RL then use; Noah/Noise/Centi/Emilia/Jackal

[spice trellis]

I think he already mentioned he has no Emilia and no Noah

[umbral crown]

Oh

He needs to send updated box

[spice trellis]

I’m unsure if buffed gen Noah makes this comp 2 RL or 2.5

If it’s 2.5 and he has bay, can try bay biscuit rh anis jackal

[glad meteor]

2RL on base with 1 quantum cube

[spice trellis]

Most likely will have quantum

Then in this case, bay centi rh anis jackal and hope you won’t need biscuit to absorb scarlet burst

Or try the leecher red hood strategy - noise jackal rh anis centi

If you have purple doll on red hood, noise burst + damage taken down should absorb scarlet burst and rh can leech with b2 to full hp

[wise horizon]

Any advice for this? @spice trellis @umbral crown @worn field

[pastel narwhal]

[lone sequoia]

reset*

[pastel narwhal]

0 stone

[crystal flicker]

Kinda want to settle with C3, but skill issue whale will drag me down

[lone sequoia]

1rock

[indigo scarab]

whos better for pvp, drake or viper (w/ fav item)?

bet, ty

[bleak shale]

we just pass the blame along o7

lmk when figured out

[tough elm]

Heya zixk

may i ask for your help for an upgrade for SP (and if it makes sense for Rookie too) that includes RH? i was lucky and finally got her. Her CP is between liter and tia. the rest of my rooster is unchanged like i've posted here: #pvp-arena message

Many thanksies in advance

[indigo scarab]

actually, now that i have a few more nikke, what would be my best teams for sp? current teams are Noah/Biscuit/RH/Noir/Jackal - Pepper/Centi/SBS/Alice/Maid priv - Noise/Blanc/S.Anis/Privaty/Rapunzel

[tough elm]

thanksies

[indigo scarab]

i do not

and ive heard kilo can be a good nuke, but dont know how to set it up

[keen vapor]

Ore wa... Emilia ga suki da

Oiiiii
Zixk, when you got your Noah?

[indigo scarab]

Thanks! Appreciate the help. Im assuming i should be using this for offense as well?

[keen vapor]

Enemies has its own personalized attack

[indigo scarab]

makes sense, i only need 2 wins out of the 3. Thanks again

[quick pivot]

Looking for advice on how to beat this guy, he's becoming a thorn in my side

Top Left Team 1, Bottom Left Team 3

Lower divided by higher then take the remainder? (So like if it was 75k/100k deficit would be 25%?)

Round 1 is 15%
Round 2 is about a 30% deficit and probably an L
Round 3 I have about a 30% over them

Aight, let's see how it goes, thank you for your help!

AYYYYY Thank you!!!!

[fallen goblet]

I currently use Biscuit/Blanc/Liter/Jackal on my 2B team, I don't think I want to change my 2B team as she is invested and has been my best performing team at my level. I'm struggling to find nice teams for 2 and 3. I don't have Scarlet. I think I would like to make a Summer Anis team who i recently got and a RHood team, but feels both might need Noah.My highest CP units are RH/SBS/Maxwell/Liter/2B/Dorothy/SAnis/Noir/Alice... I was using Noah/RH/Drake/SRAnis/Rapunzel (Drake isn't that invested) and a Privaty filler team with Pepper/Centi/SBS/Noir.

[keen vapor]

Which level

[fallen goblet]

maybe the 2B team is cope, but she's been my most solid atking

[mystic tiger]

Special:
Noah/Noise/S. Anis/ Biscuit/Tia
Scar/Bl. Scar/ Poli/ Rapunzel/ Jackal
Blanc/Emilia/Noir/RH/Modernia
Rookie:
Noah/Noise/RH/Biscuit/Rapunzel

Any recommendations on improving my teams? Thank you

[keen vapor]

Low synch

[mystic tiger]

Thank you 🙂

[fallen goblet]

Sorry, here are my units, maybe I want to use Bay, forgot I got her recently too

[keen vapor]

You have Noah

[fallen goblet]

mmhm, she has been on my RH team but it's not been amasing recently for some reason

[keen vapor]

Then give it to me

[fallen goblet]

oh i see, Emilia is that great as s3 burst? that's great to hear as I love her but I hadn't invested yet as i wasn't sure where i would use her, i guess focusing on generation rather than relying on biscuit for on 2B is more ideal, i'll look to try!

[keen vapor]

[fallen goblet]

mmm, a RL so gauge generator but also being the dmg, i can see, thought she was just a gauge generator mainly

[fallen goblet]

true, i have roughly 8 levels in boxes but was waiting until i get lvl 248? outpost level to get an extra core per box... i dont really know why i'm min-maxxing it, it's just kinda fun

[keen vapor]

You're quite slow on campaign I'm already 245 in outpost and I'm 234 synch

Pretty much you can Blue CP entire chapters

[fallen goblet]

mmm, my hard is in chpter 15, my normal is chpter 28, i can go a lot deeper i just need the time as i'm paying attention to the story xd

this crystal trail they are following is very interesting 😆

[wise horizon]

Current SP Defense Arena:
T1: Blanc, Emilia, RH, Laplace, Noir
T2: Scarlet, SBS, Poli, Liter, Jackal
T3: Bay, Noise. S.Anis, Biscuit, Centi

Any improvements from this? Getting smashed at the moment @worn field

[tall wasp]

Any recommendations for defense team on sp arena & rookie arena?

[wise horizon]

Thanks. I recall you had a spreadsheet on how you are building your nikkes. can you provide that spreadsheet?

[vale furnace]

recommendations? can switch syncro if needed

[wise horizon]

yeah do you have one with cubes and which unit has them>

[tall wasp]

Okay
Thanks

[steep juniper]

Advice on how to beat this in SP Arena? Only Team 1 wins the matchups

[umbral crown]

[crystal flicker]

bad burst gen

[glad meteor]

How many direct shots does it take for sg to die to scar s2? Pre burst

[onyx scaffold]

What is the best scarlet jackal for rookie team atm? Zixk

[umbral crown]

[onyx scaffold]

I ran this for my sp and finally got a win DEF after 10 sp set
Blanc Emi RH Biscuit Centi
Noise noah Scar Rap Jack
Moran SBS Anne 2xSG

Got destroyed quickly tho

Idk what to do when enemy has rosanna beside stall scar

[tawny vine]

can't believe that worked - tried 4 different scar teams lmao

[umbral crown]

feeling good today, emi 34% ATK and rosy 34% as well

[tawny vine]

that's huge - knowing how much it hurt trying to get 1 atk roll today

[umbral crown]

i got chest attack for emi, the last missing and 1 rock, that rock gave me atk and increase critical damamge 16.44%

boots has 4.92 CS but might lock it in the future to try to get another ATK line

8k cp away for 300k

[vale furnace]

both ideally 🙂 i've been slacking on updating compositions for both and falling behind

[umbral crown]

praying to get lucky with dolls today

[tawny vine]

oh yeah btw we realized today that we need ~28% CS for Emi to shoot 4 rockets by 3 RL time in case you're going for that

[umbral crown]

oh thanks for the info, gonna have to save some rocks for it

to lock all atk lines and go for cs

my emi is max skills so.. at least a good start

my current cs on emi is around 19% with adjunt cube

and my OL just have 1 Line of CS

[fallen goblet]

sry i didn't reply earlier, teams looked nice so didn't insta change, but you put Noise in both team 1 and team 3, do you suggest Pepper into team 3 or something else?

[tawny vine]

it's really a joy to watch - bumped my emi to 29% and she's like a gatling gun now haha

[loud sonnet]

Which one should i prioritize for the doll?
Rossana or emi?

[copper creek]

u might have to ol centi / rapunzel for cp

[fallen goblet]

ty ❤️

[copper creek]

ok, anyway

did u already use the standard comp?

blanc/emi/rh/biscuit/centi
noah/noise/s.anis/rapunzel/laplace+
jackal/scar/scalter/x.anne/flex

[copper creek]

burst to 4

[vale furnace]

many thanks! all these chars skills are 1/1/1 except scarlet (10/4/7) / RH (10/10/10). So S.Anis should be prioritize to raise, any others after that? and should anyone have gear levelled/overloaded? invested everything into my campaign team thus far, but they're about maxed out now

[glad meteor]

This fine?

[fallen goblet]

who would you prio Quantum on? is there a chart for that or do you just put them on the ones that give the most gauge, ie, emilia/jackal/sr anis etc or does it not really matter

[copper creek]

if in doubt, put quantum on anis, centi, jackal first

if u need to put it on someone else to make a comp work - you would know

99% of people here will have no need to peel quantum off those 3 lol

[fallen goblet]

marginally surprised you didn't suggest SR Anis in any of my teams, but i guess not specifically needed/no space

[glad meteor]

Yh, due to cs I usually burst faster in mirrors. But that’s only with emi i think

[fallen goblet]

sry i think i mixed you up not doing reply to my other comment lol, but i think i understand

that was computer person's teams or something

yeah makes sense

noah got buffed? lol

ah i see

[coarse lake]

eh? where did you get that info from

wait they got gameplay vid?

[copper creek]

pepetf

[coarse lake]

I can't see them

can someone link

[rich quail]

Why Blanc and Biscuit for Quantum?

Curious to know, especially Blanc (thought she would be Vigor)

Ah, gotcha 👍🏼

[copper creek]

oh right

forgot moderation in this server is like a std

[raven plover]

how much cp does lv 10 cube add

[glad meteor]

What burst type are we “guessing” zwei is?

[raven plover]

all good zixk

[copper creek]

im just assuming its b2

[coarse lake]

is zwei banner starting right after ein banner ends

probably b1 or b2, to support ein

[copper creek]

yea
u get to play her in sr

[coarse lake]

hmm that could mess up my plans a bit, depends on what she provides

I assume she's just a typical no-cdr no-heals b2 buffer

[copper creek]

i did warn u all lol

dont burn last day's challenge attempts until after maint

[rich quail]

Man, I’m debating on whether or not I should get a new iPhone now, or wait until the new model comes out in October

Normally, I would wait but Nikke crashes so much on my iPhone 12… it’s becoming hard to enjoy the game

[coarse lake]

wait... isn't she a b3

oh wait she could burst and then just not burst the next one in line

yeah shouldn't be b3, I don't see full burst timer

or full burst popup thing

[copper creek]

its a b2

im assuming anyway

[coarse lake]

probably yeah

[velvet sky]

queen of deficit fights is back finally cracked this whale’s def

[coarse lake]

noah fix really made scar jack anne ros comps easier to counter huh

just simply outspeed and block the snipe

[rich quail]

I’m guessing the very fix that Noah went through may also apply to Zwei since she has two guns… I hope

[copper creek]

gudstuff

[coarse lake]

if zwei is dual wield mag, her burst gen is just 2x mag shotguns right?

[granite anchor]

probably, it affected all dual wielders I think so zwei was probably what made them finally change it. maybe she's pvp unit

[copper creek]

yep

[granite anchor]

those pistols she's holding are shotguns?

[coarse lake]

ok that's around nihil/a2 lvls (in 3RL)

would be 24 for this 3RL chart

[copper creek]

🤣

[coarse lake]

still not quite clip sg, but close

zwei's arms are made of titanium

[granite anchor]

thats a lot of jackal feed, maybe she's not pvp material

[coarse lake]

yeah insane feed

but also a lot of dmg dealt

[rich quail]

Some people say it’s sg but I personally dunno

[copper creek]

it is

then again, im only assuming

thats the story im going with anyway

[coarse lake]

if we ever get dual wielding clip rls it'll be joever

80 gen in 3RL

[copper creek]

dualwielding clip rl? ur team can be 1rl

[rich quail]

She sounds like a pvp dream if that’s the case, and I would be tempted to pull a few times for her

[copper creek]

for now its dualwield sg

it will still push a team to 1rl, just not yours 🤣

[coarse lake]

kit probably to buff ein, but if she's a B2, that's a problem

she can't compete with blanc indom

[copper creek]

just painpeko cuz u can never run that on def

opponent just put a jackal there and smile at u

[glad meteor]

I’d like to try fit her in ca

[granite anchor]

scarlet skill 2 would make her explode, maybe you can run her with Rosanna sac

[rich quail]

Maybe if we fight S.Anis and we ScarJack with Zwei and 2 clip RLs, we can live the 1rl dream

[coarse lake]

tbh I hope she ain't a b2 no-cdr no-heal buffer

we got wayyyy too many of those units

[copper creek]

interestingly

i cant fit in blanc in champions arena in a way that makes sense

[coarse lake]

p1 blanc that's tanky enough to not need biscuit or rapunzel maybe?

[glad meteor]

My comps are probably a mess and I don’t know how bad they are

[rich quail]

That was something I was considering for my own purposes

Would that require all OL+5 gear and lvl 15 SR doll?

I like my Blanc thicc

[copper creek]

the sr doll yes
OL yes

whether ol+5 and sr15 doll? idk

[glad meteor]

If blanc was strong enough to not die, I think she’d just go in jackal comp.

[rich quail]

I know it wouldn’t help much against opponents that cp gap you bad, but it would make cp-equal or lesser opponents sweat a bit more, I would hope

[coarse lake]

tbh I don't see how they would make champ only need 3/5 wins

that's basically impossible to defend

I'm thinking it'll be something diff

[rich quail]

Anything to free up a spot, especially if champ demands it

[coarse lake]

spread your key units around, ok now every team is beatable

focus on 3 primary teams, ok it's basically SP arena but you only need to win 1/3

oh that would be an interesting idea

[rich quail]

I think that would be very fair

Each match would count, and that makes it more exciting to make these teams solid

[coarse lake]

if we do need 5 teams, I'll prob just make 2 shotgun teams , and keep my main teams unchanged

ppl in my bracket have no makima

[glad meteor]

It depends, gacha game at the end of the day. These modes are never fair

[copper creek]

inb4 its whole server thrown at each other and seeded based on ur win/lose

[coarse lake]

that would be cool

but eh... maybe everyone in challenger positions at the end of a season in a server

so the ppl in diamond and lower don't get farmed

[rich quail]

Yes

No more diamond farming

[coarse lake]

will have to be sus of ppl posting for help here then

[rich quail]

That would be cool, tho

1 week of seeding
afterwards, separate challenger from the rest
1 week of dueling within your rank

[umbral crown]

soon people asking for def - atk teams for champ

[glad meteor]

Next month eh

[rich quail]

well, about that

Last dev note they alluded it may not start in September as hoped

[glad meteor]

Ah, I see thanks

[tawny vine]

i was also wondering how noah blocked rosanna b1 lmao. crazy stuff.

[rich quail]

She blocks 1 of 2, but if you have Rapunzel then she can resurrect or heal the attacker and back to square one

So yeah I guess Noah Rapunzel is becoming a good counter for Rosanna?

[umbral crown]

[rich quail]

It makes me sad
Rosie da best

[glad meteor]

My time in pvp was better when I was the only one with rosanna. Some rookie comps were hell pre noah buff

[tawny vine]

tbh i think the main demon right now is just noah. luckily the people under me don't have her but i doubt i can defend once they do

also are y'all still pushing campaign if you're newish. i feel like i've just put everything into pvp last 2 months just to have 3 sp arena teams lmao

[rich quail]

I’ve been investing 95% in pvp since I started delving into it 4 months ago

And yeah, my ability to progress in campaign may be affected a bit 😂

I was close to getting Crown to 10/10/10

Then I played pvp

[tawny vine]

i think i'll stop sweating in pvp after this season if/when my single fan disappears.
it's fun sending messages but beating hard campaign walls also feels great

[rich quail]

It is a balance, for sure

The only pve thing I did recently was get Tia to 9/4/4 to finally use her with Naga in tower and solo raid

pvp can be an endless chase of the carrot on a stick, so it’s best to plunk some investments on pve units once in a while

[tawny vine]

yeah i'm thinking i'll just finish their OLs and maybe level my last burst skill and go back to PvE.
happy to take Ls next rotation but right now this guy needs to go. been following me for 3 rotations already 💀

hell they're probably lurking right now

[rich quail]

As long as the message is sent and received

That’s all that matters

[lone sequoia]

3.5b solo raid

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

yes

[velvet sky]

her shield blocks literally everything, you can’t bypass it, meanwhile before that she can taunt 1/2 nukes

[umbral crown]

for now im the only one with an invested rosanna

[lone sequoia]

i had to use rosanna on my T5

[rich quail]

Mine is close
I don’t have an SR doll tho

[umbral crown]

waos, i still have not tried all 5 teams. maybe later

[rich quail]

I did a basic sr dry run one time
800 mil

[tawny vine]

only had a brief look but the top 50 teams looks like the wild west in terms of setups compared to the previous bosses lol

[umbral crown]

with 2 teams i did 500m or so but since no action in pvp maybe later i will give a try. best thing from SR you get dolls kit

[lone sequoia]

not all the people have units to oneshot parts

[umbral crown]

Ssakura for the winw ith Rosy ocean

[lone sequoia]

right, i could use that combo for T5

[umbral crown]

[rich quail]

I heard Maxwell is really good for this sr, and I only have her half-invested rn
All OL+0, but skills are not optimum

[umbral crown]

1-1-1 ez

[lone sequoia]

the next unit is pvp or pve?

[umbral crown]

no idea, need to wait for test

[tawny vine]

not sure but i heard she'll be fun feed for jackal

[umbral crown]

thaats mine, no investment like most of pve units

looks like SG double weapon

imagine she feeds x2

[rich quail]

ScarJack counter for 0.5 rl?

i kid i kid
But maybe possible

[glad meteor]

Looks like a fire unit, delete blanc or noah without biscuit

[lone sequoia]

SG hit p5 no?

[glad meteor]

Use on Offense*

[umbral crown]

on defense

[velvet sky]

rapu isn’t even necessary btw, i can deal with ros however i want my b1 just depends on who i need for another team

atp I’ve countered pretty much all ros variants

[umbral crown]

[rich quail]

waw

[velvet sky]

anti-ros pro in da house

[umbral crown]

[lone sequoia]

yep 2RL noah...

[rich quail]

Even so
Using up 4 outta 5 of the best burst gen units in a roster may be tough for the other 2 teams to succeed

[lone sequoia]

but who use blanc in p1 without biscuit or good speed?

[umbral crown]

i do

[lone sequoia]

against those teams i go with scarlet/xanne/sugar/rosanna/jackal scarlet-rosanna linked

[umbral crown]

[twilit harbor]

Hey guys, can I please get some help with some SP Arena team comps if that’s okay so I know what I need to invest in please?

[rich quail]

If you face off against a Rosie w/o Jackal, and you counter with Jackal + Rosie + attacker, will the damage share mitigate some of the opponent’s Rosie B1 attack so your Rosie and attacker don’t necessarily die?

Of course considering if cp levels btwn u and opponent are about equal

[tawny vine]

ngl I just skip scar/jackal/ros 2rl teams since I just assume I die without noah

[rich quail]

Yeah I would skip as well lol

[lone sequoia]

zixk(?

[rich quail]

The thicc Blanc I’ve always dreamed to have in my lineup

[velvet sky]

eh it’s ez just be faster, but yeah with gremlin only for 100% safety

[lone sequoia]

so no scarlet/sanis/sbs teams?

[tawny vine]

did they already explain the rules for champion arena? or is it just well known that it's sp arena but with 5 teams?

[lone sequoia]

i don't know if blanc SR15 can tank for a 3RL team, maybe with dupes and vigor or the other cube

[twilit harbor]

Thankyou, is that the same for the Attack team as well?

[feral thistle]

can you guys tell me 3 teams for sp arena? for attack and for defense? thanks in advance if anyone answers me

like this?

[velvet sky]

don’t have sr doll on her, only r, but personally still not gonna risk it even with mlb & 4 ol 4/5/4/4 lvl & vigor lvl 7 when i always have to beat whales in hardcore mode so she might get obliterated there without biscuit

[feral thistle]

you also mean for me?

i dont have jackal

cheers!

[lone sequoia]

it doesn't matter too much since the other p1 units can tank or have a better damage reduction/speed comp

[umbral crown]

zixk, i already have quatum lv7. should i go for vigor to lv7 as well?

[lone sequoia]

lv8 +1(?

[umbral crown]

lv8 then

[rustic sandal]

Tempering lv7 better
Or Vigor whichever u use more

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

still a long way before i can unlock that cube, sadly

[lone sequoia]

wait to CA for vigor or the damage reduction cube

[umbral crown]

my pvp team can not carry me that much

[lone sequoia]

who reset dwife and crown (?

[rustic sandal]

You will get there someday

[umbral crown]

[rustic sandal]

I reset dwife to the point I don't have her

[umbral crown]

i just did reset modernia, privaty and....do not remember who else

[trail inlet]

[umbral crown]

[coarse lake]

madlad

[lone sequoia]

i used a reset on 2B-A2 and 2b 4/4/4 carried my T5 this raid...again

[trail inlet]

m malding on my teams on this SR

[umbral crown]

now emi and scarlet carrying me in normal and hard mode

[trail inlet]

the fact that i dont have scarlet and volume makes me wanna kms

[umbral crown]

pvp shinning

[velvet sky]

tbf tested tempering lvl 3 vs vigor lvl 7 on p1 unit and didn’t notice any big difference at all, so it’s fine

[lone sequoia]

nuke those parts in the 2nd phase (emi-SW)

[trail inlet]

wait is that how you reduce def? you break the part entirely?

[coarse lake]

yes

[trail inlet]

i thought i just had to skim over them -.-

[coarse lake]

you know you've broken it when it's completely gone after hitting it

[trail inlet]

[lone sequoia]

1hit=1nuke (?

[coarse lake]

for most accounts you gotta use 2 snipes/nukes for your b3 for one of your teams

well not gotta, but it helps a lot

[trail inlet]

but my other units kinda hit it and makes it immune again

oh you go into cover and then shoot it

im highly regarded

[coarse lake]

yeah

gotta make sure rest of your team is covered

[umbral crown]

my vigor is lv3, maybe after quatum lv8 i will work on vigor or tempering

[lone sequoia]

you have units that use hp and comps that are better with damage reduction

like healers+tanks

[rich quail]

Damage reduction? Yeah, would make sense.

I may experiment

[waxen tartan]

thanks

[rich quail]

I ended up buffing Healing Cube to Level 3 (for Rapunzel), instead of bringing up Quantum or Vigor to Level 7

Then I got the ur rewards and I’m about 12 batteries short to upgrade Quantum or Vigor

Possibly mistakes were made

[waxen tartan]

T3 here was winning consecutively, now its losing a lot (what happens is emilia sometimes dies or anis takes the indom)
T2 still fine
T1 lose

should switching anis to jackal fix it?

or should i just let red hood burst b3 since they dont have biscuit there

[rich quail]

A lot of people here have said Anis with Blanc is a recipe for Anis getting indom

[waxen tartan]

[coarse lake]

yeah, use centi whenever possible

even if you have biscuit

[umbral crown]

thanks, i will

[coarse lake]

if your anis isn't expected to take dmg, then that's fine

[rich quail]

I think he had Anis at P5

Would it be better to move her to P3 if he needs to keep Anis on the team?

[waxen tartan]

switch places with rh?

[rich quail]

His opponent has S.Anis, which will hit Anis, correct?

[waxen tartan]

yea

[coarse lake]

oh... this comp?

you're screwed

anis indom due to enemy sanis

[rich quail]

P3 Anis
P4 RH
P5 Drake

I think

[coarse lake]

I would modify the teams

too risky

[rich quail]

Or just take out Anis for someone else

Yeah probably best

[coarse lake]

although, if T3 used to work before, and now it doesn't

swapping anis with either drake or RH would work, whoever is tankier

and for good measure put vigor on them

[waxen tartan]

yea it used to work like 5x consecutive wins

i didnt want to change it until now

[rich quail]

Yeah, I used to use Vigor on units that I didn’t want to get indom, so maybe use it on Anis to keep her safe?

[rich quail]

But if you normally use Quantum on Anis, you lose some burst gen… so it may be a tradeoff

[glad meteor]

Quantum doesn’t matter most times, unless there’s feed or helps reach a breakpoint

[rich quail]

I would take @coarse lake advice and cook up some new teams

[waxen tartan]

sec
ill send my box

[coarse lake]

I would swap positions with drake or RH first

whoever has more hp, and put vigor onto them

that will most likely fix the issue

[waxen tartan]

actually which team is easier to deal with T1 or T3?

[coarse lake]

t3 by far

are you actually able to win t1 with that matchup?

[waxen tartan]

nope

[coarse lake]

ah figures

then I would skip t1 (put 1 unit there), and focus on the other two

[rich quail]

Could he use Jackal for Anis then?

[coarse lake]

do you know if enemy rosanna can 1 shot your dps

[waxen tartan]

it can

thats why i put rapunzel there

[coarse lake]

what invest is your emilia

[waxen tartan]

777 + 3 charge speed lines

[coarse lake]

T1: Skip
T2: Bscar/Noah/Anis/Rapunzel/Jackal
T3: Blanc/Emilia/RH/Biscuit/Centi
that's my recommendation, or you can go with what zixk posted

[waxen tartan]

thanks, ill try them later dont have anymore attacks
and about blanc indom is it lowest max hp or lowest current hp?

[coarse lake]

lowest current hp value

[waxen tartan]

percentage?

[coarse lake]

raw value, not percentage

[waxen tartan]

ohh

[coarse lake]

avoid making your emilia too beefy

will make indoming her hard

I keep her on R doll personally

[rich quail]

Mistakes were made

[coarse lake]

scarlet is also someone you don't wanna make too beefy

[waxen tartan]

oh i have sr doll on her

[coarse lake]

that's prob why anis now steals indom

well at least it's consistent

[rich quail]

I have SR doll on Emilia as well

It’s lvl 5 at least

[umbral crown]

[rich quail]

Rosy how beefy is your Emilia?

[umbral crown]

well, a lot. just missing to max SR doll haha. still lv5

she was about to have max doll if it was not for Rosy

[rich quail]

Oh okay
Maybe I’m same as you

I won’t level up Emilia’s doll anymore lol

[umbral crown]

i will

[copper creek]

tfw my emilia r15 😅

[rich quail]

I did make sure Emilia’s boots are only OL+0

[umbral crown]

[rich quail]

Rosy likes em thiiiiiiicc

[copper creek]

blanc to sr1, scarlet to sr5

[rich quail]

Like me

[copper creek]

curious to see how that turns out

[umbral crown]

my emi has all lv5 but chest which i made it today

but soon lv5

[rich quail]

This doll science is quite fascinating

So
today

… I learned

Don’t make Scarlet or Emil too thicc lol

[coarse lake]

it's mainly blanc's fault

[rich quail]

My Scarlet still dies quite easy even with SR doll lvl 1 so maybe she’s ok if I don’t upgrade it more

That’s why you make BLANC thicc

hehehehw

[coarse lake]

blanc wants to be thicc, but she likes to indom the least thicc

gatekeeping being thicc

[rich quail]

Blanc really wants her sis’ body

[copper creek]

anyway sorry guys i promise i will start helping here again soon lol

[umbral crown]

2025 it is

[coarse lake]

nothing to apologize for

[umbral crown]

[copper creek]

i just want to cook my teams first then i'll be back here 😂

[umbral crown]

for champ?

[coarse lake]

I checked out of helping regularly months ago

[rich quail]

sr teams?

[copper creek]

SR yea

[umbral crown]

oh

[coarse lake]

munch, how much are you able to do in SR so far?

[copper creek]

no idea, still testing things

right now my t1-3 is about 2.2-2.3

no idea wtf im going to do about 4&5

[coarse lake]

ah, you'll do better than me then

[copper creek]

i might be royally cooked this SR lol

[coarse lake]

any chance we get zwei kit tonight?

[rich quail]

I’d say so
Jpn time is same as Korea, right?

[copper creek]

with this game, god knows

[grizzled bone]

oh this raid is fubar

[rich quail]

It’s only noon

[grizzled bone]

SU was cookin with this boss

[rich quail]

Yeah I got destroyed in sr
800 mil

[grizzled bone]

i got 1.3b on day 1 and it put me in 0.8% looked today and im 2.07%. The 2nd phase is pure nightmares

i try to follow the raid planning guys in the community server but they're just like on another level

[rich quail]

Yeah, I have not ventured into that channel just yet

It’s probably as complicated as pvp

[copper creek]

1.3b is total or just 1 team

[grizzled bone]

Total

[copper creek]

nah its just this raid that's screwed

[copper creek]

you're doing something very wrong lol

[grizzled bone]

munch baby please. Everything I do is wrong

[rich quail]

I saw you might have to hit very tiny targets in this sr

Sounds like Mother Whale pt 2

[coarse lake]

? no you don't need to aim that well

[rich quail]

Okay, was wondering because some people use auto-aim

To hit a lot more consistently

[umbral crown]

auto and hope for the best

[rich quail]

That’s ME

[umbral crown]

https://tenor.com/view/nodding-crossed-arms-pikachu-eyes-closed-pokemon-gif-15194868

[grizzled bone]

spray and praying is my MO

[rich quail]

I’m trying to think… if I didn’t devote everything to pvp, which pve characters would I have built up by now?

I’d definitely have a much better DKW, a stacked Crown

A decent Volume

[umbral crown]

[rich quail]

I’d probably go overboard on Modernia lol

What would alternate-dimension Rosy do?

[grizzled bone]

that was my first attempt on day 1 cuz idk about the boss mechanics

[copper creek]

sounds like my dating life

[copper creek]

enjoy this boss man, its fun until a certain qte on p2

🖕 😂

that's fckn rich coming from you ah 😂

[grizzled bone]

kinda wishing i put more mats into Ein rn for the Sr

[umbral crown]

Rem,Doro,Laplace and maybe modernia

[rich quail]

I will have to wishlist her because rn I am making futile attempts to mlb S.Anis

[rich quail]

I like these choices
Especially

[copper creek]

you forgot about rh ...

[umbral crown]

but red is pvp

for me

[copper creek]

o

[coarse lake]

how does the second team work btw? how does p2 mast die? from splash?

[surreal atlas]

Hey thanks so much! I don't have Jackal yet, who would be a good sub?

[onyx scaffold]

any idea for better t3 team

will i have enough time? enemy is 3RL but blanc b2

[tall wasp]

anyone can help me to counter this team
i will screenshot my nikke too
I want to counter 3 player, so this is their team:

player 1 :
T1 = scarlet-alice-noir-anne fairy-jackal
T2 = noise-noah-s.anis-laplace-rapunzel
T3 = blanc-scarlet.bs-biscuit-RH-tia

player 2 :
T1 = scarlet-drake-anne fairy-centi-jackal
T2 = noah-noise-s.anis-scarlet.bs-pepper
T3 = blanc-emilia-RH-biscuit-tia

player 3 :
T1 = scarlet-emilia-rosanna-centi-jackal
T2 = blanc-scarlet.bs-RH-laplace-anis
T3 = noah-biscuit-s.anis-rapunzel-tia

Thanks 🙏

[coarse lake]

not enough time

run Noise/Bscar/Rapunzel/Jackal/Noah, if your noise is higher atk than rapunzel, and noise and noah have same CS

[onyx scaffold]

good!

the dude previously was lv410 versus me 405. he got his ass kicked and opened 40 levels coredust

[coarse lake]

xanne doesn't buff sanis (only buffs attackers)

[onyx scaffold]

im not gonna beat him but it is nice to support the devs in some way

[coarse lake]

oh wait nvm didn't see bscar

I would go with noir instead of bsoda for buffing

[onyx scaffold]

s.anis mainly for cp and pressure on enemy slot 5

bsoda higher cp than noir too

but what if? who should I place b1? alice or sbs?

[coarse lake]

sbs

but xanne works best with a nuke, so if you have mpriv or bsoda at high invest, use them

[onyx scaffold]

bsoda then

well does anne buff if bsoda is revived

4k cp less

[coarse lake]

yes anne buffs regardless

too slow

[onyx scaffold]

back to original team then

[coarse lake]

you can do Bsoda/Liter/Xanne/A2/Noir, then put quantum on someone

[coarse lake]

that team is also slow

[onyx scaffold]

hmm a2 gives 640k cp

SR anis gives 250k

[coarse lake]

who has higher cp, a2 or summer anis

[onyx scaffold]

s.anis

[umbral crown]

go open your boxes, do not pull an echo

[onyx scaffold]

already posted above

but the dude is just my side-target

[coarse lake]

I would do something like this

put a quantum cube on someone, doesn't have to be noir

with sanis the team is too slow

you can do this if you want, but probably not worth it

non-bursting sanis isn't very useful, esp since xanne doesn't even buff her

[onyx scaffold]

yeah DEF Anis is never a big deal when i attack

@coarse lake

[coarse lake]

a2 is your highest cp option there that can make it 3RL

or you can recook your other 2 teams to free up more units

[onyx scaffold]

all my prev set get destroyed in one run. only this one has a slightest hope

hmmm

i can try laplace?

[coarse lake]

is your laplace treasured

[onyx scaffold]

not yet

lemme check

gg

SR doll

[coarse lake]

then I would just do the a2 variant

[onyx scaffold]

ok

tbh i didn't choose a2 bc I expect to be hit with scar jack anyway

[coarse lake]

yeah they'll just scar jack your team

but at least now it's faster

your other 2 teams are very expensive, so you don't have much options left

[onyx scaffold]

cube?

worth?

i can just run anis on EMT team

[coarse lake]

this works, but it's still the same speed as before, so not really an improvement

for the a2 team, just need a quantum cube on anyone other than liter

but if it helps balance team CP, then maybe worth it

[onyx scaffold]

ok i will just give each of those a try

[crystal flicker]

I have no idea how this guy defeat me, even though I always beat him using the same teams

[coarse lake]

either they use different attack teams or they swap the team matchups

[crystal flicker]

probably yeah

[umbral crown]

they have a zixk on their side... maybe

or they are professional chefs

[rich quail]

shots fired

[grizzled bone]

what did echo do?

[keen vapor]

ME

[umbral crown]

yes, you

[coarse lake]

hoard an entire country's worth of core dust, bc.... something about saving for pulling or something

[keen vapor]

What me

[coarse lake]

[keen vapor]

You wouldn't get it, I can still push further

I have to min max it!

[coarse lake]

then push faster already

[grizzled bone]

how much did you hoard echo?

[keen vapor]

I can't I'm stuck in 30-6 for some reason

[coarse lake]

if stuck, open boxes

[keen vapor]

5k

[keen vapor]

[coarse lake]

so you can push farther earlier, so you get more core dust income earlier, whether you open boxes now or later won't matter if you're currently stuck

[grizzled bone]

of just core dust? that's not bad

[keen vapor]

I'm going to get 10k from outpost tomorrow I have to try that first

[umbral crown]

echo could be 281 or so but he prefers to be 233

[coarse lake]

I think that's 5k 1h boxes lol

[keen vapor]

Correct sir there's even more

[grizzled bone]

wait wait wait.... you had 5k 1h boxes????

[rich quail]

He is waiting for EOS day

[coarse lake]

that's 30 lvls worth in just 1h boxes assuming 60/hr

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

I'm so close to 61 need to push

[umbral crown]

then 62

63

...

[keen vapor]

Exactly!

There's no end to min maxing

[umbral crown]

soon you will see echo trying to survive 60 levels difference

[tall wasp]

Thanks zixk

[keen vapor]

How did you know

[umbral crown]

i came from the future

[coarse lake]

with how many stories I've heard of ppl having their opponent open like 40 lvls of core dust at once for pvp, I unfortunately think ppl with echo's mindset are not that rare

[keen vapor]

WHAT COLLAB

[keen vapor]

[coarse lake]

I'm actually surprised he's held out this long despite pvp challenges

[keen vapor]

I just need 15 more stages

[coarse lake]

btw did my or nesso's cook work?

[umbral crown]

waiting for EoS to open his boxes in a livestream

[rich quail]

He is being strategic
The true min/max

[keen vapor]

No, level problem makes them die too quickly even without deficit

[coarse lake]

what position are you fighting for

[umbral crown]

[keen vapor]

I haven't dropped from diamond 3 tho

[coarse lake]

bc honestly... your pve min-max sounds like it's costing you pvp gems

[keen vapor]

Either Diamond 1 or 2

[umbral crown]

yeah, not even 2k

[keen vapor]

You're day one

[umbral crown]

i heard

[keen vapor]

[rich quail]

This is entertainment

[grizzled bone]

@keen vapor I am both in shock and awe in your discipline to hoard that much

[umbral crown]

[coarse lake]

[umbral crown]

[coarse lake]

I never have more than 10k worth of core dust at a time

[keen vapor]

Where credits

[umbral crown]

echo bros wiating for nikke 2

waos

[grizzled bone]

behold my credits

[umbral crown]

zixk enjoying the moment

[keen vapor]

Rookie numbers

[umbral crown]

oh, will give a try

[grizzled bone]

yeah i dont get a lot of credit boxes tbh

[keen vapor]

This is why you should reroll dispatch

[coarse lake]

wot