Looking back the game has made a lot of stupid nerfs. (Removed vamp)

[lyric torrent]

If you have delay its easy to dodge

That would work to but this isn’t a rework suggestion

[eager bloom]

That ammo nerf did nothing-- also, it wasn't stupid it prevents them from spamming. Have u heard of a spawn cooldown?

[eager bloom]

Dude. That's what the windup did!!

[lyric torrent]

The ammo nerf on top of the damage
One of those would have been enough

[eager bloom]

Nah.

I think they're both fine

The ability is still easy to use, rewarding and quite good

[lyric torrent]

Wdym nah
Half the nerf was enough not the full thing

This will be back and forth we both have opinions🤷‍♂️

[eager bloom]

Opinions when they don't make sense

[eager bloom]

Nah

There's a reason why it was nerfed twice

[lyric torrent]

Thats what your opinions are basically your logic is just different

[eager bloom]

Binds still good, Bomb Masteries still good

[eager bloom]

Ok dude

[lyric torrent]

Yea dude

[eager bloom]

What would u nerf about Bomb Mastery instead

Make me understand

What would be better than the nerf we got now.

[lyric torrent]

The damage nerf they did was fine delay wasn’t necessary
If it were up to me completely it would be redone

[eager bloom]

And I have a second question

Why is the current nerf too harsh?

[lyric torrent]

Which one bind or bomb

[eager bloom]

What damage nerf? Lil bro I didn't even notice that

[eager bloom]

Both of my questions are for bomb

[lyric torrent]

I answered your question bud getting pressed over a opinion

[eager bloom]

Nope, I genuinely do not know what DMG nerf you're talking about

Honestly, I think that nerfs shit. It doesn't do anything

The fuse nerf is better

As it changes the gameplay in a healthy way

[lyric torrent]

Delay makes the ability require perfect aim
If it came down to being specific the closer the shot the less time they have to get away
If its a complete miss you should be able to run
If its close or say on them thats fair

[eager bloom]

Anyways, that shitty answer is nothing I'm gonna understand.

[lyric torrent]

Either remove the delay or lessen it

[eager bloom]

Ew

Just attach the bomb

Bait

Or attach it to urself

Heck set up traps

Combo w it

[lyric torrent]

Basically just opinion and a lack of thought process

[eager bloom]

Maybe press E, stun w Q

[eager bloom]

I said my reasons why I disagree w u, and your comebacks are shit.

[eager bloom]

Anyways, time to read this

[lyric torrent]

No they have plenty of reason your takes are the exact same holding onto one simple reason and thats it

Keeping skill required and still rewarding if it’s super close to them

If anything bomb should do damage the closer you are to it having layers to the explosion

[eager bloom]

WOAHHHH perfect aim. Maybe try a different strategy?
With the BM nerf, BM now has many different possible strategies that are viable, instead of just one shitty spam strategy.
Also I have no idea what u mean by those last two lines

[eager bloom]

I wonder fucking why. You keep repeating the same ol' shit, or saying things that are COUNTERED by the shit I'm saying over and over again.

[lyric torrent]

(Shity spam strategy) hows this a reason

[eager bloom]

That's entirely a reason. If the old ability only had one viable playstyle, and that playstyle was a fucking bitch to go and fight, then a nerf was justified.

[lyric torrent]

Maybe because there isn’t really a way to fix a one way train reck of a mindset I could name anything and you will stay in that shell and not budge off your shitty opinion

[eager bloom]

Once again, a shitty counterargument I barely need to discuss

[lyric torrent]

There never really was a decision with you

[eager bloom]

Yes there is- valid reasoning

Reasoning that makes sense

[lyric torrent]

I named a list🤷‍♂️ what more do you want

[eager bloom]

Have you forgotten, you aren't listening to my points at all. So stop being a hypocrite.

[lyric torrent]

Less delay layers to the explosion doing less the further you are
Rewarding perfect hits and close ones

[eager bloom]

What's that supposed to mean

Please rework ts

[lyric torrent]

Use the brain in your head

[eager bloom]

Is it a new buff u thought of?

[lyric torrent]

What does close mean

[eager bloom]

U don't use ur brain to write broken English, why should I be an English professor to understand what is pretty much a new language

Should I get a fucking translator?

[lyric torrent]

Its not a me issue I explained perfectly
Closer = more damage
Further = less
Half the delay it has currently perfectly worded

[eager bloom]

translate should I obtain get fucking?

[eager bloom]

Nope, your explanation... Was lacking.

[lyric torrent]

If you need one to flitter that guck out of your brain sure

[lyric torrent]

The most lacking thing is that rage bait

[eager bloom]

Then wtf does layers have to do w it

[lyric torrent]

No way someone can’t understand close and far

[eager bloom]

Ur just sad ur english was ass

[lyric torrent]

Where

[eager bloom]

Have u read ur message? Did u shove it into a translator?

[lyric torrent]

Yea I had to make it specifically specific for you

[eager bloom]

Are you fuckinh idk, German and don't understand a spick of English?

[eager bloom]

Ah yes to ragebait

Btw my face is stone af

[lyric torrent]

Its not a me issue I explained perfectly
Closer = more damage
Further = less
Half the delay it has currently perfectly worded
This can’t be more specific

[eager bloom]

If it ain't working, word it better

[eager bloom]

**second time around

Anyways

I'm not the biggest fan of this buff

[lyric torrent]

Yea talking to you is talking to a 67 4th grader thats unable to comprehend 1+1

[eager bloom]

The playstyle seems shitty

More DMG less windup

That's what it boils down to

And also, certain playstyles are nerfed

Making the ability less creative and versatile

[lyric torrent]

Whats bud ranting about
Ill make it more specific

Closer = more damage if you are close to the explosion it deals more damage
Further = less if you get further from the bomb it deals less
Half the delay it has currently to make it so it hits if its thrown close up
And this makes perfect hits like sticking it to the person do max damage

[lyric torrent]

This work for you

[eager bloom]

So funny

Anyways, the nerf isn't stupid

The devs clearly took their time and thought about a nerf that'd completely alter the playstyle to make it more healthy for the game while keeping the DPS and BM's gimmick.

Just because you don't agree w it

[lyric torrent]

Clearly the community disagrees because its not really used you see

[eager bloom]

Doesn't automatically make it "stupid"

[eager bloom]

You forgot one thing

[lyric torrent]

And yet when the ability is none existent that speaks for itself

[eager bloom]

AW community only uses easy-to-use meta abilities, DOS and engineer

[quartz nimbus]

Whats bm

[eager bloom]

Bomb Mastery

[lyric torrent]

He’s talking about bomb

[eager bloom]

Bluecone if u argue that the nerf was stupid and terrible

[quartz nimbus]

Honestly this Nerf was deserved

Bomb mas E was free damage

IF u had one braincell

[eager bloom]

Now it's STILL free DMG, you just need 1.5 braincells

"too harsh" amiright lil bro

[zealous dust]

ok time to go over each one

jello idk if theres a way to balance this well
slime it needs a rework
lemon yeah iframes suuucked
army it does NOT need 10-15 seconds. also mastery needs a rework for something better it is horrible.
bomb mas people in replies basically answered for me
hoj nothin to say
bind thats the point of the nerf, so it cant deal 3000 damage in one successful Q hit.

[lyric torrent]

Bump

[boreal geyser]

Ok lemme address some nerfs:

• Pre-Nerf Jello was way too overpowered. Even without damage orb. With one ability cast, you could chip 75% of your enemy's hp. ONE CAST. The slowdown was cancer on top of it.

• Fuck Lemon. "Unjust crying" while you have a long ragdoll time, free speed and invisibility for free. Lemon is fine now. You have 0 counterplay even with the nerf. (And idc about bounty hunter mastery can see lemon, no counterswapping promotion)

• Bomb E was cancer. You could toss your bomb very far, and instantly detonate it without a chance to react.

• Bind is still fine. Even better than fine. With one cycle of Q and E, your victim can say bye bye to ~50% of his health. And you still didnt use your R. Bind is still braindead.

[lyric torrent]

Bump

[cobalt agate]

BOMB IS USEABLE????

dud

it deseves wayy more credit

bomb is actually goated

id agree its still good

with that one mischouvious bug that made E the counter part to old mystic's E

that bug made bomb bad

somewhat bad

actually there people said it for me

[lyric torrent]

Bump

[urban creek]

I re read this and a few conversations and honestly they are not stupid nerfs

You're complaining about either OP or braindead abilities that require 0 skill to get a kill being nerfed

Also lemon is still fun and usable at least for me

Maybe the reason why there arent that much users using it is because the only reason behind wanting to utilize lemon was basically it being OP

Plus

You cannot be fr saying that jello is overnerfed

Jello is ANYTHING but underpowered

[urban creek]

Again, the only reason why yall don't use it is just because it's not OP anymore, you cannot Say a nerf was stupid and support it with people not using the ability after the nerf, because that just means the ability being FUN wasnt the reason behind using it, leaving the only option as to why it was used being this same ability being overpowered

[lyric torrent]

Jello doesn’t need its old damage
But you can’t be fr saying its fine now
I can walk out of it and lose a small portion of my hp
Jello has a long cooldown and has one offensive ability
Even a 8% buff would let it do more
And slime is hella trash
Hojs bow is buns to
Bind didn’t need the ammo nerf and damage one nerf was enough
And bomb is still usable but old bomb compared to newer abilities makes bomb look fair
At least make the abilities not have such a unfair advantage between power if newer stuff isn’t getting nerfed

[fluid eagle]

both of jello's moves have offensive capabilities
slime is nigh unkillable if you truly don't want to die
the hoj bow nerf was necessary, as players would otherwise be unable to do anything against it at close range
the bind ammo nerf prevents it from spamming as much
and no abilities in this game ever made old bomb mas look fair

[ember elbow]

Legit killed a dos a while back with the oldest jello trick in the book, so many dos users forgot to consider THE oldest trick. Jello really doesn’t need a buff lmao
-# not going against you, rather with you

[urban creek]

Jello IS fine, I don't think you use it correctly because right now it's capable of many stuff if use it smartly
Slime is not trash
Me when ranged spam abilities that dont require you to fight at all get nerfed

Plus,

You are still not covering the fact that the reason these were used was because they were OP and not because people truly like them

In fact you're just proving it with what you said

[urban creek]

Reading onto this, it is quite easy to fall for that specifically with how unpredictable it can get

[ember elbow]

You’re facing the void while 20 studs away from it

Theres every sign in the universe rhat tells you to not get near

You need to be like 20~15studs away from void to use jello q on a dos

Especially a high level one

[urban creek]

Well but still

It's a powerful thing you can do

Anyways only thing I can agree on with the point of the suggestion is that there are far better abilities to nerf than the ones actually getting nerfed, but that doesnt make these nerfs stupid

[eager bloom]

Jello is good lil bro, slime needs a buff sure, HOJ is good when people ain't using it, Bind deserves all the nerfs it got- fuck it, Bomb was the villain of ability wars

[eager bloom]

No abilities make bomb look fair, Bomb actually dogshat all over old teleport

The ultimate melee rush down could barely out zone it

[lyric torrent]

(Hoj is good when people ain’t using it) can’t even make sense out of that
And jello is good if you stand still and tank it or use the bounce pad and throw people out the map

[eager bloom]

20DMG + pushing players back in is good