Nerf mech or delete it.

[night solstice]

the bullets

super spammy

[fossil steppe]

E has an entirely different system (ask array), Q makes you way faster and now you have ragdoll immunity

[night solstice]

and the cd is low

[pliant valve]

TLDR it now has:

• Hyper armor
• E is basically infinite spam of missiles and rockets
• Q makes you way faster when used

[gleaming sparrow]

Yeah, but your point was to read it there.

Where does it say it?

[fossil steppe]

It says overhauled mech

It means

They changed mech

[gleaming sparrow]

Doesn't mean it tells what it did dude.

[fossil steppe]

People would obviously be talking about it

[pliant valve]

It means we made mech into the most toxic piece of shit of an ability ever. (Run archer)

[fossil steppe]

And you'd find out about the changes one way or another

Somehow you found out about them RIGHT NOW

DURING A MECH NERF CONVERSATION

[gleaming sparrow]

Ik.

[gleaming sparrow]

It's a sign fr.

[fossil steppe]

Another golden rule of AW

If an ability forces you to run archer, it's flawed

Because archer is THE ranged ability

[pliant valve]

Or also, golden rule of AW
Mech will always be overpowered or useless

[fossil steppe]

Don't forget this

[night solstice]

hivemind too

[fossil steppe]

You are never safe against alchemist mastery

[pliant valve]

Genuinely

[fossil steppe]

And this

[pliant valve]

Mech has never been in an in between state of

[fossil steppe]

Blood god will always remain buggy

[pliant valve]

Being balanced it’s

Pretty sad really

[night solstice]

bug god

[gleaming sparrow]

They can just stack strength and speed and just one shot the whole server if good enough.

[fossil steppe]

Speaking of one shot

[night solstice]

"good"

[fossil steppe]

Want to see a funny gif?

https://gyazo.com/aacda7041e452a116725278f9abc7840.gif

[gleaming sparrow]

Sure?

[gleaming sparrow]

LMAO

[fossil steppe]

The recent archer change made volley an instakill

Another golden rule of AW

Archer will always defy the game's rules in one way or another

To kill you

[pliant valve]

I can’t believe the

[gleaming sparrow]

God damn, I need to check up on ability wars with these updates 😭

[pliant valve]

Fact archer volley does 60-100 damage most times you use it now

Hasn’t been addressed

I think it’s because it

Still isn’t widely used

(Somehow)

[fossil steppe]

Archer geys changed once in a blue moon

And archer users appear only once every full moon

[pliant valve]

Well

You’d think with

How hard jello got nerfed off for instakill potential

They’d immediately go right on archer

Which is already a top ability

[fossil steppe]

Thing is

It's archer

[pliant valve]

It’s harder?

[fossil steppe]

It requires aim

[pliant valve]

Oh or that

[fossil steppe]

So they don't even know

About it

[pliant valve]

I need to

[fossil steppe]

This is sad

[pliant valve]

Keep bumping that hitstun thing

[gleaming sparrow]

Ability wars going to shit with these updates-

[fossil steppe]

And due to the bug related to time

[pliant valve]

Last update was whatever though I don’t understand half the buffs stuff got and why npcs on new abilities and hoj need to be so strong

[fossil steppe]

I can probably do an instakill combo with archer

[pliant valve]

But

The mech update is

Unironically the worst ability wars update ever

By

[gleaming sparrow]

How strong is hoj?

[pliant valve]

A pretty wide margin

[fossil steppe]

[fossil steppe]

Very

[gleaming sparrow]

Definitely wtf 😭

[pliant valve]

I mean that update sure brought

[gleaming sparrow]

Dmg wise?

[fossil steppe]

Wait chat

I know why archer was changed

It's kinda like battle cats

They made mech OP

And the next update

[pliant valve]

• Mech
• Telepunch removal while giving it nothing in return
• Grapple meta killed
• Blood god made kinda just weird
• Pulse over nerfed

[fossil steppe]

They made archer shred mech

This is comedy

[pliant valve]

That update basically

[gleaming sparrow]

Mech is just a boss on crack at this point.

[pliant valve]

Killed the meta potential of 3 abilities then made fucking mech meta

Like no thanks

I mean pulse isn’t worthless now same with grapple

[fossil steppe]

Then an update later

[pliant valve]

But blood god and teleport

[fossil steppe]

They made archer an instakill

[pliant valve]

Yeah they’re dead

[fossil steppe]

This is an L streak

[pliant valve]

I do think hitstun removed volleys are

[fossil steppe]

A consistent L streak

[pliant valve]

Not as difficult as hitstun archer

[gleaming sparrow]

Imagine joining a server, and the whole server using archer.

[pliant valve]

But also

[fossil steppe]

Ok that is actual misery

[gleaming sparrow]

Or like a mix of archers and mechs.

[pliant valve]

The hitstun nerf turning out to buff archers dps

[fossil steppe]

It's like a sidegrade

[pliant valve]

Is surely something that wasn’t thought through

[fossil steppe]

It can no longer just be unkillable

But now it instakills

A worthy trade imo

[pliant valve]

Just be glad

[fossil steppe]

(Still nerf volley tho)

[pliant valve]

None of archers paths buff volley damage

[fossil steppe]

TRUE

[pliant valve]

I don’t even wanna think about that

[fossil steppe]

Also

[pliant valve]

With the hitstun nerf

It’d be like

4 arrow killing

[fossil steppe]

Alch mas + archer is still the most vile combo

[pliant valve]

Alch mas + godpunch I still think is worse

But that’s me

[gleaming sparrow]

Do either one of you know whats up with like the sleigh being golden? Is it similar to egg now?

[fossil steppe]

God punch you can at least try to somewhat brawl

[pliant valve]

If you had the old festive badge

You got the golden sleigh

[fossil steppe]

What you gonna do against instakill bullets?

[pliant valve]

That’s true

But also the godpunch speeding at you is

Not fun

[gleaming sparrow]

Ah alr, I was wondering, since last time I actually logged on there, it was-

[pliant valve]

Also

BH mastery DoS is

A really vile combo

[fossil steppe]

The broken volley reminds me of those brainrot brawl stars edits

[pliant valve]

Which doesn’t even include an alchemist

[fossil steppe]

Debuff

And then dos finishes

Evil

[gleaming sparrow]

God punch and alch is just death bro.

[pliant valve]

Also Bh mastery snipes out engineers and alchemists

[fossil steppe]

True

Harassment

[gleaming sparrow]

Like, who is surviving that?

[pliant valve]

Portal DoS is also strong

[fossil steppe]

probably like

[pliant valve]

BH mastery is just

[fossil steppe]

Cards or return

[pliant valve]

A really strong ability in teams

[fossil steppe]

Other than that

Nah

[pliant valve]

It supports really good

But also Bh is really strong, period

[gleaming sparrow]

Bh?

[fossil steppe]

The gun shouldn't ragdoll at such long range

[pliant valve]

Bounty hunter

[gleaming sparrow]

Ah.

[fossil steppe]

It should just purely do damage if you are too far

[pliant valve]

BH mastery casually being

The only mech matchup that’s probably balanced

For both the mech and user

[gleaming sparrow]

I feel like it's just annoying more then anything 😭

[pliant valve]

A good BH mastery is

Really deadly

The abilities are great combo extenders up close

[gleaming sparrow]

I don't have too much struggle killing them, they are just very annoying.

[fossil steppe]

bh mas

[pliant valve]

Also

Grapple dos is a good team too

[gleaming sparrow]

As in hunting your ass down to the end of time, annoying

[pliant valve]

Grapple has to be good though

Grapple pulls threats or people trying to stay towards edges to the dos

[gleaming sparrow]

Magnet and dos is good too, if it didn't get nerfed as hell-

[pliant valve]

Magnet mastery is just

Underrated period

[gleaming sparrow]

Could save dos from falling

[pliant valve]

Especially after the last update

[gleaming sparrow]

Used to do that

[fossil steppe]

Another good dos combo is anything that can weaken the enemies + dos

[pliant valve]

Which shadow buffed it a lot

No more teleports for Magnet to deal with

[gleaming sparrow]

Alch and dos

[pliant valve]

Teleport was like

The best magnet mastery counter

It’s like if

[fossil steppe]

It was also so annoying

[pliant valve]

Archers got removed for mech users

[fossil steppe]

(Still needs a buff)

[pliant valve]

I want

Teleport to get a

Stagger and a bit of damage

[fossil steppe]

Hell naw

[pliant valve]

When they teleport through someone

[fossil steppe]

That would be miserable

[pliant valve]

Nah magnet mastery struggles that much against teleport

You could

[fossil steppe]

Nono the difference is

[pliant valve]

Telepunch through the magnet

And combo start them

[fossil steppe]

How strong magnet mas and mech are

Compared to each other

[pliant valve]

Well

Magnet mastery is strong just

Rare

[fossil steppe]

Magnet mas is still bearable

And mech is

Mech

[pliant valve]

Magnet mastery struggles on

Spring and BBs

Mostly spring

[fossil steppe]

Removing magnet mas' strongest counter doesn't feel as bad as it isn't that annoying

[pliant valve]

Ik my magnet mastery friend treats spring

Like I treat plasma

[fossil steppe]

Removing the best mech counter that keeps them in check will just make mech broken

[pliant valve]

I probably should

[gleaming sparrow]

I feel like the radius for magnet should be a little higher then what it is rn.

[pliant valve]

Stop using underpowered abilities again and accept pulses nerf and actually push to use it again and be good with it a lot

Even though the nerf was

Really bad for it

Barrier is fun and all but

[gleaming sparrow]

I gotten hit through it several times before.

[pliant valve]

It’s underpowered

[fossil steppe]

Who knows, you might find an instakill hidden in there

[pliant valve]

Give me my barrier mastery

Well

Barrier can have a forbidden instakill tech but

I don’t know

The best way you could pull it off

Though it’s probably possible with sit on reimagined

You’d just need a

Consistent way to face upwards

[fossil steppe]

Evil barrier instakill

[pliant valve]

Then you could

Stunlock people in the barrier

Or shielded wall I mean

[fossil steppe]

Ok that is EVIL

Please do that

[pliant valve]

I think

The ramp on reimagined

Could work for it

[fossil steppe]

Just imagine going up the ramp

[pliant valve]

Well you’d need to

[fossil steppe]

Then the evil floor starts biting your legs

[pliant valve]

Bait someone to the ramp

[fossil steppe]

And you die

[pliant valve]

Turn around and sit down so you fall on your back

Then use shielded wall while siting so it redirects diagonally upwards

And if done right

[fossil steppe]

Evil elevator

I like that idea

A lot

[pliant valve]

It should bounce the user on it 3-4 times which is instakill - pretty much instakill

[fossil steppe]

It actually requires way more effort

Unlike volley

[pliant valve]

Yeah that

Would take actual effort

Well barrier technically has an instakill tech but

All it is

[fossil steppe]

Anyways should I add mech nerfs to my balance changes suggestion?

[pliant valve]

Is placing your barrier while bouncing off the mushroom so

Whoever follows you

Gets flung

[pliant valve]

(Yes)

[charred needle]

ok stfu we shouldnt have to.

[pliant valve]

Yeah uh if an ability forces you to

Swap to a hard counter to stand a chance

It’s not healthy

[fossil steppe]

Cool I'll make E recharge slower, Q is not as fast and ragdoll immunity is lost upon reaching 75 health

Is that good enough?

[pliant valve]

Ability wars is a fighting game

Not rock paper scissors

[pliant valve]

Uh yeah

[fossil steppe]

Ok thanks time to add them

[latent knoll]

They gave mech ragdoll immunity but not brick...

[pliant valve]

Correct

I should do this until it happens

Amazing.

Oh also battle cats mentioned

This is fully intentional.

[fossil steppe]

Done

Ok dude

Really

They made a battle cats reference

[pliant valve]

Yep it totally is

Trust

[fossil steppe]

Mech changes added btw

[pliant valve]

Oh cool

[night solstice]

Buff mech

[night solstice]

omg

battl ecats

mecha bun true form buff when 😔

[austere scarab]

archer dies

[pliant valve]

Mecha bun bun is floating

Archer cat is gonna aura farm him

[weary cloak]

how do you treat plasma

[pliant valve]

Like it’s the most painful and obnoxious ability in the game but it’s mostly cuz it’s the hardest pulse counter by far

Well

Not hardest but hardest counter that is seen commonly

[weary cloak]

yeah makes sense

[polar kettle]

is a pulse counter just anything that can tank it’s damage

[fossil steppe]

Anything that can outrange it is also a counter

[night solstice]

Buff mech

[zealous wing]

I'm not toxic

[night solstice]

ez trash garbage outspammed by mech get better

[polar kettle]

archer 😭

[fossil steppe]

the evil ability

[polar kettle]

i was using archer this one time

speed pot alc user

i was just on the part of the hill sit jumping away from bro

[pliant valve]

Anything that tanks, deflects or outranges is are all good matchups

Deflecting the orbs is like

The biggest counter though but plasma being able to both outspeed and tank the orb

[polar kettle]

bb can technically do all 3 but not all at once

[pliant valve]

Makes it a terrible matchup

Bb is a bit more reasonable

[night solstice]

Mech

[fossil steppe]

Insane

[polar kettle]

it was the desert map

and i just kept baiting him down and sit jumping back up

yknow by the cave where the boxes are

i was on the right of that hill

This was like a professional fentanyl alchemist btw

This guy was obsessed with speed combos

i think he had like 0 ping because i could not get a hit on bro

[weary cloak]

oop

mech is pretty ugly

it dies pretty easily though in my experience

since it can barely punch

[jade cargo]

They barely listen to suggestions vro

[abstract rune]

Cybau

[pliant valve]

Once you use it with sit it’s m1 is kinda like.

A janky version of mushroom / tree tank

But more range

Regardless mech is too matchup dependent to be healthy for the game

It’s like the most rock paper scissors ability

Once you have a bad matchup on mech you can pretty much never kill them. And they can just annoy you until you eventually die (whether from hp or irl from your own migraine)

But mind you, most mech users don’t know what they’re doing, (which is weird because it should be the easiest ability in the game to run rn)

[polar kettle]

don’t forget the obscene m1 knockback

[civic marsh]

It's felt like punching a fucking water tank

[pliant valve]

Yeah mushroom and tree tank both also have a lot of kb

It’s like a slower, jankier mushroom / tank punch that’s extremely overtuned

I’m just glad mech is too big to consistently hit it

If they could, unironically would be a top 1 ability

[pliant valve]

@fossil steppe I just traumatized a mech user

These stats are from only loop killing the mech

Archer is just, evil

Couldve been more evil if I went for SoL

[restive linden]

i'd say buff is the perfect counter

The E gives you more vertical mobility than the mech and, since they cant be ragdolled, you can spam punch them to drain their health. If they run away, use roll to chase them or to reach higher places

[polar kettle]

me when someone’s pride gets in the way of them switching off the ability that mine counters:

It’s like when i kill someone with bb and they switch to time of all things

One time some idiot switched to ufo mastery

[polar kettle]

yknow the thing that can punish time E for around 40 damage

just bjump right next to the time user when they use it

they’re standing still so it’s literally undodgeable

@pliant valve how do you feel about this pulse clip

https://medal.tv/games/roblox/clips/jPtOU9hCXfNA317hk

this was during randomize 1v1s

did this completely on accident

[pliant valve]

Mech is the acception

I will swap to archer and obliterate them

I don't show mercy

[polar kettle]

exception

Usually i just use something stupid until someone kills me and then i kill them with bb

The only time i switch off bb then is if they use lemon or blood god

Or if they get over 15 souls with dos

[pliant valve]

I usually use something stupid

[polar kettle]

I can still easily harrass a max hivemind user

[pliant valve]

Usually barrier

But if I really gotta fight

pulse is coming out

[polar kettle]

then i go randomize 😭

[pliant valve]

Unless pulse is a bad matchup then

Ill go like

lava usually

[polar kettle]

did you peep the clip

[pliant valve]

pulse just

does that

[polar kettle]

i like using the trowel on top of a barrier user’s barrier

it freaks them out

Half of bb is psychological?!??

new strat just dropped

[polar kettle]

https://medal.tv/games/roblox/clips/jOCg0HnJMHLBsILF5

[pliant valve]

brick battler is just clippable in general

[hidden ore]

Unmastered defender is less but still great for clips

It looks cooler than it prob js

[pliant valve]

Unironically barrier doesnt make for clutch clips but

The clips you do get are funny

[polar kettle]

have you seen that one unmas defender clip by me

[hidden ore]

Not yet

[polar kettle]

https://medal.tv/games/roblox/clips/jGo4JRKAdGotwkJzX?invite=cr-MSxyR0YsMTU5MDkzMjYwLA

[junior storm]

Say no more. Upvote

[polar kettle]

“Staop. You’re special needs. 👺”
“🔫”

[hidden ore]

As someone who is learning to get good at unmastered defender, I can confirm crusher arrow tech is a godsend

Needs to become noncontroversial tech, like half the staff think it’s tech and the other don’t

(Atleast from what I know)

[polar kettle]

ducky is checken 2 so i trust his opinion

It’s tech probably maybe most likely

[hidden ore]

Someone did get banned for it

[polar kettle]

Probably not bannable

[polar kettle]

what

[hidden ore]

So idk

[polar kettle]

well i hope that isn’t me

[hidden ore]

Just don’t use it too much and you’ll be fine

It’s a w tech

[polar kettle]

@pliant valve can i friend you on roblos

i need to see the man behind the suggestion

Or the not man behind the suggestion

[fossil steppe]

Nice

[weary cloak]

although any not braindead mech would just spam E

and not try to approach, thus not allowing you to chain punches

and mech Q travels a much greater distance buff Q

along with also going higher

it's a lot easier to hit buff with mech E

since buff has a bigger hitbox

[restive linden]

yeah, but the roll cooldown is only 5 sec, while mech's Q is 25

[restive linden]

From what i've seen, hitting mech stuns them for some moments

[pliant valve]

Mech user in this situation after flying from anywhere on the map to ontop of the tree

The buff straight up wouldn’t reach them unless they went to the mushroom which by then the mech can just keep moving

Don’t get me wrong mech vs buff would totally stalemate but

I doubt the buff wins there

[weary cloak]

the stun is very low and it's not enough to prevent move activation

[weary cloak]

and remember

mech E only has a 5 second cooldown aswell

you need like

2 mech E's to kill someone

it's not like you have to be constantly running away

you just need to get away for a few seconds to regain your E

[weary cloak]

this aswell

buff can go far but it can't go to the top of the tree with Q

which gives you even more time to wait out the mech E cooldown

[pliant valve]

All you need to do is

Know how to sit high jump consistently

And then mech can basically have the vertical mobility to get to pretty much the entire map besides ontop of the tree

Like that’s the only jump it can’t make that I can think of

Oh and ontop of the temple in desert (but they can bypass the ladder) and make the jump from there

[civic marsh]

Mech's Q can also bring the user themselves onto the lobby aswell

[lofty quiver]

It still takes kb and is easy to kill so but very annoying so idk about this one

[raven sundial]

mech's one of the best abilitys in the game now imo

[loud mulch]

Its still very easy to combo