Balance changes

[mortal temple]

It should not just sit on your back

[potent bolt]

#1329705131364585472

[chilly topaz]

and sometimes the minions become unkillable

and sometimes when the gb user dies the whole dimension gets deleted

[mortal temple]

The q exists because a tester wanted smth from blx frits

[potent bolt]

Laaaame

[mortal temple]

Ik

[potent bolt]

We need MORE original stuff

[mortal temple]

Indeed

[potent bolt]

We got the gingerbread hammer

[mortal temple]

Reaper just needs a speed boost or an r

[potent bolt]

The gingerbread army (the better one)

And even an artillery

[chilly topaz]

but when i try to make something original cosmic says its too complicated

😭

[mortal temple]

Become a tester and now it's the best suggestion ever 🧅

[potent bolt]

What other unbalanced things are there

[chilly topaz]

jello E obscene kb

Oh dont forget lemon mas

i made my own suggestion on that

[mortal temple]

Well there are a few good candidates
Jello is up there
Bounty hunter mast
Hivemind but that's too hard to change
Customs projectiles
Bomb mast
That's all I can think of

[chilly topaz]

the ultimate "im being targeted" ability

[potent bolt]

Custom instakill combo goes hard

[mortal temple]

I love using engineer
I love being targeted by bacon's who don't have engi

[potent bolt]

Bomb mas could use a small cd increase as well as nerfing the E a little bit

And maybe less aoe

Bomb mas is just aoe spam

[chilly topaz]

engi got nerfed this update because of a (hopefully temporary) bug

[potent bolt]

That's a bug

[mortal temple]

Bomb mast with dmg orb is so comedic
It's a 3 hit kill with all 3 bombs

[chilly topaz]

currently if you try to build mid air you will completely lose control and die

[potent bolt]

Should I do like an archer rant

[mortal temple]

They did archer dirty man

Replace the light and sound path with explosive arrows

[potent bolt]

Archer is one of the most unbalanced abilities rn

In like

As in like

Too strong

[chilly topaz]

https://gyazo.com/dc2d1d84ab5e13fa10cc957aade164e1.gif

[potent bolt]

Just look at this shit

https://gyazo.com/aacda7041e452a116725278f9abc7840.gif

LOOK AT THIS

[mortal temple]

It's an instant kill

If you can aim

[potent bolt]

Even if you hit like 3 out of 5 arrows

That's 48 damage without damage orb

And 60 with damage orb

At level fucking seven

[mortal temple]

I don't see many ppl using archer

[chilly topaz]

ranged gp

[potent bolt]

Because people can't aim

[chilly topaz]

i usually use spring or bb on arhcer users

[potent bolt]

Flippingoctopus has plenty of clips to prove that archer is too strong

[mortal temple]

Engineer portal void trap

[chilly topaz]

that works too

as long as you dont get shot

[potent bolt]

Even then archer can potentially instakill them so they have to be pretty careful

[potent bolt]

(Impossible)

I mean you can also use UFO mas and harass them

[mortal temple]

They need to give paladin a mast

[potent bolt]

What are they gonna do

[mortal temple]

It's such a good candidate

[chilly topaz]

full parry

[mortal temple]

Trap them in cage and move ufo over void and reset

They perish

[potent bolt]

And while archer has one of the largest dps outputs

At the same FUCKING time

2/3 paths are literal downgrades

[chilly topaz]

also can we point out how bone mas is just a better railgun

[mortal temple]

What does the crossbow path do

[potent bolt]

Railgun with an actual miveset

[potent bolt]

Must fully charge your arrows but they get pierce and bigger projectile size

[chilly topaz]

Q should have higher windups

E should be remotely dodgeable

[mortal temple]

Real
It's kinda original but it's also pretty op
The r is basically a free kill on anyone infront of you

[chilly topaz]

and R should be cancelable

[mortal temple]

Ah

[potent bolt]

The only one that isn't a downgrade btw

Arrow storm just makes you lose your unbalanced 80 damage ability

And SOL has no reason to be picked

[mortal temple]

How would you rework the entirety of defender mas
Because it seems you got a lot to say about it

[chilly topaz]

it would be so funny if this was tech and not bug abuse
https://medal.tv/games/roblox/clips/k4mw2MivcwpqA05FU?invite=cr-MSxBSUcsMTU5MDkzMjYw

(private server)

[potent bolt]

Some of those path related issues also apply to other classes

Like baller's 2nd path being obnoxious and better than the other ones

[mortal temple]

Middle path is cringe

Why do the balls have a face

[potent bolt]

Slicer's 2nd path just being overall better because IT CAN ACTUALLY GET AROUND WITH THE Q ABILITY

Same with crusher

Man I hate how the melee classes get fucked over by anything remotely ranged

UNLESS you pick the 2nd path

[mortal temple]

Alchemist with 3 siphon potions

[chilly topaz]

dos without speed

[potent bolt]

I have plenty of changes to suggest

[mortal temple]

I used to think reaper was just free defender crusher juggernaught path

[potent bolt]

One of them is to make defender mastery more of an "investment"

Weaker earlygame stronger lategame

It should also affect more than just your damage

Some upgrades should give you extra max hp potentially?

[mortal temple]

Like the crusher tank path

[potent bolt]

Slicer should get a little extra speed on later upgrades

[potent bolt]

That one should be like really tanky to justify the bigger hitbox and no mobility

[mortal temple]

Imagine a storm mastery

[chilly topaz]

currently nights edge is just discount gp

[mortal temple]

Kinda
Ice path is pretty op

[potent bolt]

Ice path when ranged stuff:

[mortal temple]

No clue what lightning path does

[chilly topaz]

mobitiyu

[potent bolt]

Very unnoticeable aoe and a dash

[slender burrow]

It's basically on the same scale power par with third hivemind form

[potent bolt]

Only thing that's related to mobility is the dash

[potent bolt]

Even weaker

[mortal temple]

Does the basic debuff do smth
Like ice's slow and fires burns

[potent bolt]

AT LEAST HIVEMIND CAN ACTUALLY CATCH UP WITH PEOPLE

AND KILL THEM

[potent bolt]

Fire is just extra m1 damage

[slender burrow]

Kind of depends on the user if we put them in a fight

[potent bolt]

And by that

No debuffs just extra damage

[mortal temple]

Oh

[chilly topaz]

there should be more elemental reactions

[potent bolt]

Me when I use something remotely ranged:

[mortal temple]

Each class should have 5 paths

[potent bolt]

Hell no

What the fuck is thia

[mortal temple]

Ability wars

[potent bolt]

Checken already can't balance like 3 paths

[chilly topaz]

imagine if you could inflict vaporize for extra dmg by hitting a soaked person with on fire

[potent bolt]

Why 5

[potent bolt]

Gas chamber

[slender burrow]

Still impressive max health storage comparing to 15 souls Dos or Mech

[chilly topaz]

oiled + chilled = resin

slower and longer effect

[potent bolt]

How will that max health save you from the 100 damage archer volley

[mortal temple]

More variety instead of just lighting path,tank,homing balls and whatever archer path is meta

[potent bolt]

It's just a really big hammer guy

[slender burrow]

That's simple, it doen't

[potent bolt]

Or just rebalance the damn ability

[mortal temple]

That too

I feel like some paths are just useless tbh

[slender burrow]

crusher is just extremely good in close melee

[potent bolt]

There's no need to add like 8 other paths

We alr need to balance 12

[mortal temple]

No one uses baller metal balls or balloon balls

[potent bolt]

And when I pick up something ranged...

[slender burrow]

i believes that would even creates more 20 bugs including into the game

[potent bolt]

Exactly

[chilly topaz]

ok the bubble balls actually sucks

but the metal balls are ok

it slows the opponent instead of having pierce

[mortal temple]

Yeah
Change the path entirely

[potent bolt]

They do respectable damage too

[mortal temple]

The bubbles are garbage

But the balloons are ok

[potent bolt]

Wanna know what's funny

[mortal temple]

I went into a cave with max level balloon path and just aimed recklessly against a max hive and killed him instantly

[mortal temple]

Sure

[potent bolt]

The whole path is just "ooo your ammo is unaffected by gravity"

BUT THE FINAL UPGRADE

ALREADY DOES THAT

FOR ALL PATHS

WHAT IS THE POINT

[slender burrow]

Yeah no shots, you can't misses that large chunky

[mortal temple]

Fair point

[chilly topaz]

hold on @potent bolt you still dont have me frineded

[mortal temple]

But the ricochet is pretty powerful

[chilly topaz]

i need to add you to the evil critics gc

[mortal temple]

Replace the balloons with electric balls

Keep the bounce

But now they stun but deal way less damage

[potent bolt]

Pay me 10k credits in Starscape

[chilly topaz]

[mortal temple]

Do you think checken should hire you

[potent bolt]

You get a 100% discount due to the recent credcorp collapse

[chilly topaz]

[potent bolt]

Look at my name

What part of this tells you that I am a developer

[mortal temple]

None

[potent bolt]

Exactly

[potent bolt]

You still have to pay 1 credit tho

You are in debt now

[mortal temple]

I think checken should have atleast a secondary balancing team

Besides testers

[potent bolt]

True

[chilly topaz]

think about the fact that this almost went through testing

[slender burrow]

tester 2

[mortal temple]

Testers make sure everything works as intended
Balances will see if everything is fair

[potent bolt]

My guy can't fix alchemist mastery

[mortal temple]

How does one prevent me from spamming siphon potions on bacons

[slender burrow]

it's not even that hard to set a new damages number outputs, Might not even takes longer than 10 minutes

[potent bolt]

Potion cap

[mortal temple]

[potent bolt]

As a temporary fix until alchemist gets a proper fix

[mortal temple]

Fair

[potent bolt]

You can't let that thing keep getting away with this

[mortal temple]

Hot take
Dos soul transfers should only give half instead of all

So ppl don't get engi handouts

For example
300 dos dies to another dos so they can have souls
They only get 150

Who agrees

[chilly topaz]

oh yeah and when the dos teamers are low so they just soul trade (fullheal)

[mortal temple]

Better idea
Make engineer ability warrior and hero of justice operator

[wheat quiver]

not anymore

[potent bolt]

Look again

[wheat quiver]

oh damn?!

[potent bolt]

It still gives name perms

And stuff

[mortal temple]

Just got back from using archer defender mast with crossbow path

Damn that's op

[potent bolt]

Volley

[chilly topaz]

wait i just realized where’s defender/archer on the balance changes

[potent bolt]

Needs it's own suggestion

Along with the rest of defender mas

[ruby axle]

i feel like mushrooms should also make nearby big trees share health till they are both at the same % of health

[chilly topaz]

the discord bug that prevents you from deleting your message if its still loading

[potent bolt]

No I was not bothered enough

[chilly topaz]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1329630331451605092/1356806552828252300/evil_spaghetti_caption.gif

[mortal temple]

Nerf archer

[potent bolt]

Coming soon

But not in this suggestion

[mortal temple]

Buff engineer

Gets killed too easily

[chilly topaz]

dice isn’t here

https://tenor.com/view/troll-troll-face-troll-face-meme-troll-face-gif-tuxedo-gif-24336649

[potent bolt]

Time to fix that

[chilly topaz]

also maybe adress the aoe meta here

cosmos

freeze

crystal

gravity mas

[potent bolt]

Done

[potent bolt]

You know it would be really neat if people who downvoted gave criticism

[chilly topaz]

ping them

https://tenor.com/view/troll-troll-face-troll-face-meme-troll-face-gif-tuxedo-gif-24336649

Oh also make beserker Q’s hitbox not the size of the map with no windup

[potent bolt]

True

[chilly topaz]

beserker users pressing 2 buttons and calling it a combo

[potent bolt]

Done

Added the dice nerfs and changed the berserker changes

[potent bolt]

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSchHg_9cTVJuqBHGqEbzNEu8ZAmFLgjLbYdlEzPOLdjRNhfXw/viewform?usp=preview

[pulsar steeple]

All I’m saying

You should add dos revert

[potent bolt]

Good idea

Done

[potent bolt]

@autumn lodge

Also please do not put your real name

[autumn lodge]

you talk as if that already happened

[potent bolt]

Correct

It did happen

[merry river]

Why nerf custom?

I don't see this much people using it

[potent bolt]

Custom is very annoying when people DO use it

Also reset spamming shouldn't exist

[merry river]

This is what a victim of it would say

But it just shows the other guy has skill issues

[chilly topaz]

do you know at all what that means

what am i supposed to do when some kid starts reset spamming, just get better?

have cancer? just get better

[merry river]

Ig flying away with engineer is a nice idea

While the kid would be spamming toxic things in the chat trying to use taunt

But this ain't pokemon

[supple gust]

Adding more tiles to engi is rlly enjoyable

Tho it's a bit sad not being able to backroom trap anymore

Just, for the cauldron and backrooms engi teleporters

Is it just an area around the place where you can't place portals

[potent bolt]

Yep

You can still make void traps tho

Those take SOME effort

[supple gust]

Yea

[potent bolt]

So I was adviced to still allow those

[supple gust]

I think it should more be a zone where a'y tps get destroyed

[potent bolt]

So you can't push them in?

[supple gust]

Cuz i think peoples (including me) might try to put a tp on a tile on a piston on a tree

[potent bolt]

Yeah that seems like an oversight

[supple gust]

To rlly push it

But that is kinda putting effort into it

So i guess it shouldn't be forbidden

Idk

[potent bolt]

Hold on does unmas engi have teleporters

[supple gust]

Yea

But no pistons

[potent bolt]

ok

[supple gust]

Do they virtually can't do it in solo

Without a engi mas using a piston system

[potent bolt]

Anyways now using pistons to bypass the restrictions is NOT ALLOWED

[supple gust]

Oh ok

Good thing void traps are still allowed

Cuz they're the high risk high reward version of sky death traps

Tp to original message for mobile s

For the grav nerf im not a 100% sure bout it

Mayb letting the current 5s of effect would be better?

I say that while i doesn't like it very much

But it's more for the new players, it makes getting cake a litle more easy

[potent bolt]

Oh yeah it's outdated

I'll remove it later

[supple gust]

K

[pulsar steeple]

You know what’s also outdated

[chilly topaz]

metarang

[pulsar steeple]

Yeah that would be kinda cracked

For all 4 boomerang mains

Dw I’m still main-less

I’m not a boomerang main (yet)

[chilly topaz]

can you show me a clip of you actually using boomerang

[pulsar steeple]

Roblox ruining shadow play makes that harder

You use it exactly how you’d think you would

Either a spammable chip damage projectile
A grapple
A combo extender / ender by void
A ragdoll canceller.

I’m not amazing but good enough that I can go

“Haha you lost to a boomerang as a berserker”

[chilly topaz]

starter abilities should be able to be used in blood god

https://tenor.com/view/troll-troll-face-troll-face-meme-troll-face-gif-tuxedo-gif-24336649

[pulsar steeple]

Balance compilations need robot buffs

Sob

[potent bolt]

Updated the list
Changed some balance changes
Removed the outdated changes

[pulsar steeple]

Btw robot doesn’t copy health

It just looks like it does

But once it’s spawned it goes to full health

But, consider a buff that significantly boosts the wrench size

[potent bolt]

ok

[unkempt bough]

man if this gets added i will have to make void tps which are boring

[chilly topaz]

me when my flying oneshot teleport location can actually be destroyed and i have to take 10s to make a new one

[unkempt bough]

for me it takes like 30 years to rebuild a build as engi

[chilly topaz]

that’s the skill based part of engi

[unkempt bough]

and the cauldron teleport is the solution

cause doses and god punches and hiveminds wont let you build

so you put them in a cauldron or in the backrooms

[chilly topaz]

you can make a flying machine in seconds

from there you can fly to someplace high and continue building

[unkempt bough]

spawn camp

[chilly topaz]

they have a window of like 5 seconds to hit you

just respawn and try again

[supple gust]

Or you can trap them in the lobby

Wich is even funnier

[potent bolt]

Balance changes

[strange viper]

ngl

how is it more boring to place a teleporter in instakilling position 1 instead of instakilling position 2

[strange viper]

also if that is the issue for void teleporters then backrooms and cauldron teleporters wouldn't work either

it takes just as much time if not more time to walk to either of those places

than it does to build a plane

you don't even have to build on the ground you can just fly up with balloons then build the plane in the sky

[mortal temple]

Better idea

Delete aw

No aw
No broken abilities
No complaints

[pulsar steeple]

I should do my own take on one of these

[mossy lagoon]

W

[potent bolt]

.

[past orbit]

Its cool this suggestion

But dice doesnt need a nerf

Cuz getting 12 is hard

[distant gust]

meteor kinda stinks already

[past orbit]

Amzing idea

[distant gust]

nerfing it is kinda unnecessary

[potent bolt]

Doesn't justify doing 50 damage and knockback that takes you across half the map

[potent bolt]

Meteor is kinda annoying already

Either you hide behind a wall and harass a person or you punch someone into a 75 damage aoe attack

[distant gust]

otherwise it sucks

[potent bolt]

Yeah so what buffs would you like to present

To make up for the nerfs

[distant gust]

it needs a rework at this point

it’s either you sit on top of tree spamming q and e

or you camp near a wall

trying to predict where someone is going with q is near impossible while fighting someone

and e is useless without a wall unless they walk into it

at most it can get someone to back off for a moment

[past orbit]

Ok

[distant haven]

i only think alch mastery should just be a glass cannon that gets punished for not preparing correctly, personally i'd set max hp to 80, q cd to 30s, which no longer resets the E cd

[potent bolt]

.

[distant haven]

❓

[potent bolt]

That's called a bump

[distant haven]

wierd way to bump

just say bump

[potent bolt]

Saying . is more efficient

[distant haven]

typing bump is not that hard

[potent bolt]

I do not get any extra benefit from typing bump instead of .

[distant haven]

the benefit is people arent confused as fuck

[potent bolt]

Everyone understands by now what a bump is

[distant haven]

no one understands what "." is

[potent bolt]

That's only you

People bump using whatever they want

[distant haven]

bump in morse code

[potent bolt]

how about instead of arguing about bumps

[distant haven]

fair

[potent bolt]

You criticize this suggestion

[distant haven]

ok uhh the sacred tree health pool feels a bit low

since its supposed to be the tanking tree n stuff

id increase it to 800-900

[potent bolt]

Eh feels like a bit too much

We wouldn't want tree users to be that annoying

Cause they just hide in their trees and block important spots on the map

[distant haven]

700

[potent bolt]

They can literally block the entrance to the house or the inventor

And you can even trap people in the ability

[distant haven]

oh yeah iforgot

[potent bolt]

What else

[distant haven]

what if they had super high health pools that drained over time

[potent bolt]

Eh I still like my solution better

[distant haven]

like 1500 to 2000 hp that drains taking like 30s

oh well

[potent bolt]

What else do you want to criticize

[distant haven]

alchemist mastered nerfs mainly

i think it should be an extremely powerful ability that requires setuo

setup

like q cd set to 30s, but does not reset E cd

and the 80hp thats peak

[potent bolt]

Personally I don't like dealing with alchemists

They are annoying as hell

[supple gust]

Also i forgot to add smth about engi that you could add

You can go under/inside the map

I think it might be too op in some cases

So ima do a lil list, look at what you think is worth nerfing

1.Under the map glitch

[strange viper]

well that would be cool if the setup was actually interesting

and took effort

alch setup

is just sitting in a cave spamming Q

[supple gust]

put a tree anywhere on the ground, then place a tile on it, another tile on the side of the previous one, put a piston facing downward on the 2nd tile, place another tile on the piston and place a seat on that tile
You can seat and activate the piston
You can build underground, tho jumping of the seat directly tp you back on the ground
Ig it can be too op since you can build annoying plane or cars under and then get them bacl up

So no one can stop you from building

There's also a varient by placing the tree on the side of the map but it get to the same result

Now for something really worth patching

[potent bolt]

Engineer

[supple gust]

2. Reimagined glitch

[supple gust]

Yea

So on Reimagined

There's a "inaccessible" area

Tho you can acces it with engi

Go in inventor place, put a tree, a tile on the tree, a piston on the tile, a tile on the piston a seat on the last placed tile

Seat, activate the piston, at some point ypu will get to a place where there's enough space to fit a player, like 1 stud higher than engi tree

In here you can build, meaning you can build void death trap that are impossible to break as soon as they are retracted

True thing is, why is there even a space up here

I think you should add smth like that, cuz it's also almost impossible to kill someone up here
Only way are Big aoes

But except if it's a gp, engi can just place a fruit dispenser and get inf heal

Srry for writing long messages, but engi kinda is alredy broken, so having a place where you're almost immortal isn't that fun for others i think

[potent bolt]

A certain build made me want to nerf engineer

But idk how to reasonably nerf it

[supple gust]

Wich?

But yea engi kinda have acces to places it shouldn't go

Idk if there's other place like the reimagined one that engi can get to in other maps

[supple gust]

Guess what? I found 3 more on Reimagined

1st is the space beetween the shop and ground

By placing the same underground build i talked about earlier, you can easily get in that space beetween

2nd Portal Cave rocks, by building some strange piston builds, you can get glitch in the rocks

3rd you can get inside the altar, by placing a tree, a piston, a side tile, another piston on it, a tile, and a seat on the tile

With good timing you can get inside it

And there's a space under where you can actually walk

I tested the rocks of the backrooms/pizza cave, they have the same propriety as the rest of the map, getting inside them push you out as soon as you jump

Should i do a Suggestions/bug repot post?

Found only one in desert

With a side tile(connected to a tree by others tile) you can get inside the tower cone

Im gonna open a bug report

Cuz that's pretty op

[strange viper]

server sweeper

[supple gust]

Oh

I did a bug report post

Kinda long

Tho sorry

[distant haven]

playing against an alchemist player is fun but its so insanely unfair they can get a consistent supply of potions even if you made them waste the last 3 they had

the crystalized potions dont need nerf

OTHER THEN SIPHONING

siphoning isnt even fun to use or play against

there is no counterplay there is no skill in using it

you just get like 4-5 and throw em at ppl for an instant kill

weakness is extremely niche so hear me out it should be weakened (cuz one potion already weakens players ALOT) and extended

alr wait lemme just do my balancing take on alch mastery

[chilly topaz]

if you throw too many weakness potions they can heal you

😭

[distant haven]

🔴 80 max hp
🔴 Q cooldown set to 30s
🟢 E will add 10s to the q cd rather then reset it, and Q will no longer reset E's cooldown
🔴 siphoning will instead drain a percentage of a players current hp, scaling based on missing hp (ex: 30/100 = 70% current hp drained)
🟡 speed potions are stronger but increase cd between punches
🟡 mushroom potions healing is increased by 10, but takes twice as long to fully regen you
🟡 weakness potions last longer, but prevent you from making players heal you with punches.
🔴 slowness caps off at slowing players to 2 speed

[distant haven]

yeah ik

[distant haven]

the reason for the punch cd with speed is so alchemist players actually try to make creative potion mixes instead of just drinking 5 potent speed potions and taking a 200 souls dos from the middle of the map to the void no effort

i wish comboing buffs into one potion were stronger to encourage more creativity but that would be busted as hell

[merry river]

I would be happy if the dice q ability would go back to 2 seconds

[strange viper]

no

dice should not be "spam Q to get op effects"

[chilly topaz]

you can already do 50 damage with the E

and dice Q still gets you op effects

it’s just sliiightly less stackable now

fighting a dice user is probably still identical

[potent bolt]

.

[potent bolt]

• Removed changes for berserker (outdated)
• Added changes for midas

[potent bolt]

• Added changes to plasma

[strange viper]

Isn't punch grinding with dos kinda cracked with this

and bounty hunter ^

[potent bolt]

Why the hell is BBB white now

[potent bolt]

.

[sudden solstice]

no

[ruby axle]

most of these nerfs are out dated ngl