Balance changes

[clever crag]

idk if this was a result of a accidental nerf on the devs part

but it needs to return

also am I the ONLY one who is going to say that there are more ways to oof people via teleporters with engineer then backrooms tp and cauldron?

like

[potent bolt]

Alch mas needs all the nerfs it can get

[autumn lodge]

true..

i should cook buffs

i (probably) know how to balance

[empty seal]

[autumn lodge]

[empty seal]

[potent bolt]

Should I buff paladin's Q

[empty seal]

Make it block full punch dmg

[autumn lodge]

i think paladins q should be able to tank a gp hit

similiar to plasma n whatnot

[potent bolt]

Ok how about this

[empty seal]

The shield will casually block inf dmg

I agree

[autumn lodge]

also paladins E is extremely underwhelming

[empty seal]

I mean paladin is like 5k

Id say E is quite good

[autumn lodge]

13k.

[empty seal]

[autumn lodge]

overcharge feels deadlier than allat

[empty seal]

25 dmg with 16 second cooldown

Make it ragdoll or smt

[autumn lodge]

MAKE IT LEAP actually wait no that Would turn it into defensive overcharge

errr

ill go make glue into the new shackle or smth idk

[empty seal]

Or just decrease the slowness u get while using E

Its horrid

[autumn lodge]

thatd be useful true

[potent bolt]

Paladin's shield now blocks 75% of incoming damage (instead of 66%), has 5 linear damage reduction and works on a durability system (you have 5 durability, losing it all makes the shield go on cooldown)
If an attack deals 5 or less damage, it is fully absorbed
If an attack deals 10 or less damage, the shield loses 1 durability
If an attack deals 30 or less damage, the shield loses 2 durability
If an attack deals more than 30 damage (but still not lethal), the shield loses 3 durability
If the blocked attack is lethal to you, it loses all it's durability to absorb that attack

[autumn lodge]

wtf

[potent bolt]

Good or nah

[autumn lodge]

anyways seems good

[potent bolt]

Read it entirely and criticise it

[empty seal]

I think it should absorb 10 dmg too, cause it feels kinda mid for normal punch combat

Still lose a dura tho

[autumn lodge]

maybe some abilities that deal like 80+ dmg should fall into the "lethal" territory aswell

i.e max railgun

[potent bolt]

I am talking about stuff that would just kill you

[autumn lodge]

yeah i can tell that is kinda what Lethal means

[potent bolt]

Like if the next attack WILL kill you

[empty seal]

This and if its actually lethal it would break the shield (all dura) and it would deal some dmg to yourself?

[potent bolt]

Like if you are at 20 hp and there is a convenienly placed bomb mastery E

Which does 25 damage

[autumn lodge]

thats logic thats held up by duct tape but sure

unless im understanding it wrong

[potent bolt]

That would still be non-lethal because your shueld has linear damage reduction and 75% defense

[empty seal]

Oh u ment lethal as in it will kill u depending on current hp

[potent bolt]

Yes

[empty seal]

I thought u ment 100 dmg +

[potent bolt]

And that too

Basically something that will just kill you

[empty seal]

Lethal should be 100 dmg+

[autumn lodge]

oddly realistic

[empty seal]

I mean if youre at 9 hp and someone punches u i dont think it should break the shield

[potent bolt]

Actuslly maybe it should stay at 66% instead of 75%

[potent bolt]

Because you have 5 linear damage reduction

And 66% defense

Which would turn that into less than 5 damage

[empty seal]

Oh yeah true

Which one is applied first

[potent bolt]

% first to not make it too strong

No wait

Linear first

Then %

[empty seal]

Yeah was gonna say

I think thats good

[obsidian raptor]

gut alchemist

[bold gyro]

its not op, but it more than makes up for it with how goddamn obnoxious it is

E is basically undodgable

the Q is supposed to be an approach tool but because of how short the leaping distance is + how big its AOE is it's really more like rage E but better

also berserker's iframes are just plain stupid

[zinc dune]

ew why nerf railgun

idk anyone who dislike railgun

[obsidian raptor]

the nerf wouldnt even nerf the part that needs the nerf

[zinc dune]

which part? Wdym? Uh? No part need a nerf duh

[obsidian raptor]

yea its so fair

[zinc dune]

I know

Honestly it might even need a buff

[potent bolt]

It's not even that big of a nerf

[foggy flax]

Why the 10 seconds spawn cd

Does that mean i can't rain the entire server anymore?

[potent bolt]

To prevent the following strategy

Spawn
Unload
Reset
Repeat

[foggy flax]

Yeah

That's epic

Best strategy

Doesn't that mean egg deserves a nerf too

To prevent the following strategy

[potent bolt]

Custom is a far worse offender

Idk about egg I don't have it

[foggy flax]

Custom spawn cd nerf=bad

[potent bolt]

why

[foggy flax]

Egg gameplay is just

[potent bolt]

It's not even that bad

[foggy flax]

Use E
Get to the targeted player
Explode
Reset
Repeat

It does

Idk

30 damage

Every explosion

[potent bolt]

Ok see the problem is

[foggy flax]

It disables the ability to just rain the entire server

[potent bolt]

Deserved

[foggy flax]

What

[potent bolt]

Custom shouldn't be able to just reset spam

[foggy flax]

WHY

[potent bolt]

Because those are BALANCE CHANGES

[foggy flax]

It's not some guarantee damage like egg

You could still

Dodge it

😡😡

[obsidian raptor]

they lock on

[foggy flax]

The magic dart

The other balance changes is good

But custom spawn cooldown shouldn't exist

[obsidian raptor]

every ability should have a spawn cooldown

[foggy flax]

Hmm

Fair

Give every ability a spawn cooldown

[sudden solstice]

I think berserker depends on if you can get more hits

So like good for competitive players

[harsh coyote]

don't agree with stone changes

everything else is alright

[potent bolt]

Explain

[harsh coyote]

stone armor requires no changes

[potent bolt]

Stone is kinda underwhelming rn

[harsh coyote]

it being able to tank one shots is way better than people let on

so it needs to have a drawback

[potent bolt]

Such as?

[harsh coyote]

god punch..?

dos

alchemist

not to mention it fully tanks knockack as well

[potent bolt]

It doesn't tank gp

[harsh coyote]

oh right

[potent bolt]

I know that for sure

[harsh coyote]

i forgot

but everything else

[potent bolt]

Alchemist can also just

Siphon spam

[harsh coyote]

thats a different thing

[sudden solstice]

stones armor hitbox is ass bro

[harsh coyote]

it isn't supposed to tank effects

[sudden solstice]

it’s so big it’s literally impossible to hit other people

[harsh coyote]

nevertheless, stone is fine in my eyes

the only thing that i could possily suggest a change for would be the boulder

practically impossible to dodge

[bronze spire]

No more custom p2w..?

No more hiding in trees from dos..?

What is this...

[potent bolt]

Also thing is, who uses stone against dos?

[wheat quiver]

me

[potent bolt]

why

[wheat quiver]

didnt stones E nullify knockback

[potent bolt]

even then, you'd rather use something that can kill the dos

[wheat quiver]

but it still can be used

if the dos isnt a fucking coward

[potent bolt]

most of the time they'd punch you once then run to another target

There's 3 types of dos

Cowards

Those who die because they recklessly engage in combat

[sudden solstice]

Goats btw

[potent bolt]

And actually skilled dos users

[sudden solstice]

That’s tuff

[potent bolt]

what

Am I wrong

I am talking about those who die to seat and glue

Because stupid idiot can't read

[sudden solstice]

oh

isnt it broken

the eye ting

thing

[potent bolt]

They die because they are too reckless

[potent bolt]

tab

[sudden solstice]

it like updates 1 ability behind

[potent bolt]

Playerlist

[sudden solstice]

that’s

lake

Lame

[potent bolt]

lake

[sudden solstice]

Frick el you

[potent bolt]

Anyways I am making a mastery suggestion, guess what it's gonna be

[sudden solstice]

Crystal

[potent bolt]

Correct

[chilly topaz]

oh yeah did they fix the eye this update

bro it’s not in the changelogs

don’t tell me dos is still unplayable

and gravity still does 30 damage it just has a sliiiiiightly longer cooldown

amazing update

[lofty bobcat]

CUSTOM NERF SUCKS

[chilly topaz]

elaborate

[potent bolt]

Explain

[bronze quarry]

He cant spam his Shadowbeams💔

[obsidian raptor]

geek

[sudden solstice]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1329630672993910875/1337899109792612413/ezgif.com-added-text_4.gif

[potent bolt]

"It's tech bro"

[pulsar steeple]

Flop users

[sudden solstice]

real

[mighty furnace]

I feel like custom shouldn’t be nerfed after all god punch didn’t get nerfed

[autumn lodge]

how do you nerf a oneshot.

[chilly topaz]

have you ever been victim to a reset spammer

[chilly topaz]

spawn anim so it doesnt spawn on top of you

[mighty furnace]

But I feel like the reason they don’t nerf Robux abilities is because they are Robux abilities

[sudden solstice]

no one’s buying an ass Robux ability

[mighty furnace]

Imagine paying for a Netflix subscription and suddenly they change all the movies into boruto

[autumn lodge]

thats a Subscription though

[sudden solstice]

custom subscription

trust

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1329630672993910875/1337899109792612413/ezgif.com-added-text_4.gif

[mighty furnace]

Well imagine paying for a game and suddenly they put in a billion ads

I think that’s why god punch was the only one shot not nerfed

[autumn lodge]

tell me one good nerf for god punch that doesnt involve the spawn anim that can be made without gutting the ability vs a custom nerf that can be made without gutting the ability

[mighty furnace]

Maybe a fucking rework ✨

[sudden solstice]

iframes when spawning and custom spawn cd

[chilly topaz]

a spawn cooldown technically isnt even a nerf it just stops people from reset spamming

[sudden solstice]

which is a nerf

[chilly topaz]

well yes

but the reset spamming that was never intended in the first place

[sudden solstice]

they should’ve considered it if they gave it no spawn cd

so it’s their problem

[autumn lodge]

now u have to make god punch be a viable option equal to custom
which the players never like

[sudden solstice]

gp isnt getting a rework

custom isnt getting a rework

[mighty furnace]

Exactly

[sudden solstice]

just small nerfs or buffs

[mighty furnace]

Both of those abilities should stay as they are

👍

[sudden solstice]

also take into consideration that Gp has 30% extra punch range for some reason

[mighty furnace]

Gp feels slower

[sudden solstice]

it isn’t

[autumn lodge]

God Punch used to have 30% more range on its punches than the average ability. In the same update that gave it new VFX, this was removed in return for invincibility while charging the E move.

[sudden solstice]

it’s bc everyone’s running away from you

[autumn lodge]

source - the wiki

[sudden solstice]

Oh

well that’s good

[mighty furnace]

Why do people hate custom

[autumn lodge]

magic darts atleast one of the major reasons

[sudden solstice]

auto aim spam

[mighty furnace]

It’s good for dealing with dos

[autumn lodge]

yeah the one of 300 people who use magic dart against dos instead of controller prismatic bombs or something

[sudden solstice]

Tuff

[potent bolt]

New changes for mushroom (more specifically summoner) added

.

[chilly topaz]

its low kb lets you do this

wait shit wrong clip

[chilly topaz]

speaking of summoner mushroom
https://medal.tv/games/roblox/clips/jM6kHowJaxb1v33L4?invite=cr-MSxURVYsMTU5MDkzMjYwLA

[potent bolt]

Ok now how many other abilities can inf combo at this point

[chilly topaz]

never put low kb on an ability

summoner mushroom is an easy target most of the time

unless that mushroom is me

[autumn lodge]

summoner mushroom that summons mushroom minions? absurd

[chilly topaz]

summoner mushroom without the summons

[autumn lodge]

how about we recall summoner mushroom to

the grim reaper

[chilly topaz]

also its entirely possible if youre on the lobby to just drop your goons down

[chilly topaz]

whilst the user goes on a vacation

[autumn lodge]

me omw to drop the hoj npc on an unsuspecting buff user

[chilly topaz]

the hoj npc didnt need a buff 😭

now its insane

[potent bolt]

Why the huge speed

[chilly topaz]

i get that its the all badges ability but holy shit

[potent bolt]

So what DOES the snake do

From like dice

The green one

That can somehow fly

[autumn lodge]

damage once in a blue moon

[frigid sequoia]

no

i paid 400 for it

im not getting a nerf on it

it would be a scam as i paid for how it was currently

if they nerf it is a scam

if they nerf it then they gotta make it more cheap like 250 and give us the 150 back

[chilly topaz]

waah i can’t reset spam anymore

i wanted to continue harassing players with homing projectiles!!

[potent bolt]

Syringe shadowbeam jumpscare

"phhhssshhhhhh"

[chilly topaz]

pshhhhh

pshhh

20 damage

15s later

pshhh

pshhhhh

20 damage

good luck dodging (you can’t)

[potent bolt]

6*

[marsh grove]

I know something about custom...

[sleek bridge]

feels like a whine about your skill list

[obsidian raptor]

-custom/alch main

[frigid sequoia]

Cry abt it is a 400 robux they aint nerfing it

[sudden solstice]

Actually they already nerfed it im pretty sure

[civic wolf]

No hivemind

[sudden solstice]

And it’s probably getting nerfed again

[potent bolt]

They nerfed it once, they can do it again

[civic wolf]

All I need is nerf hivemind:/
So I give this mid vote

[frigid sequoia]

No lol

[sudden solstice]

Yeah lol

[frigid sequoia]

No lol

[potent bolt]

Hivemind needs it's own suggestion

But sure

Give me a few minutes

[civic wolf]

Ok

[potent bolt]

Done

Hive now requires more kills to max since the buffs will be decreased later on

Overall speed is decreased

But fixed the fact that you can just reset

[civic wolf]

Nice

[smoky goblet]

Why gravity neft

[potent bolt]

Highly remanded

[potent bolt]

New mech changes added

[glass tapir]

Why is cosmetic added in the colour key if there's no cosmetic changes 🤔

[potent bolt]

Good question

[potent bolt]

PLAYER STATIONS ARE REAL

[dusty grotto]

the shadow beam lazer nerf was abit unnecessary especially since it only does 10 dmg compared to other abilities

[pulsar steeple]

With shadow beam I’ll say if anything

Lowering the damage doesn’t fix it

If anything buff the damage a little bit but

Remove the ragdoll

The ragdoll is what makes it so obnoxious not as much the damage

Especially because it synergizes too good with giga disk mostly

So that, super easy 10 damage projectile is actually

Upwards of 80 damage if the disk has crit

[chilly topaz]

what?

[potent bolt]

New Starscape update has player stations, so I am making a crystal mastery based on the crystalline guardians from the said game

[obsidian raptor]

whats starscape

[slim cloak]

@tropic spruce

[potent bolt]

.

[sudden solstice]

Ok

Jester Q can already be cancelled

Just not with sit

[potent bolt]

Huh

Really

[sudden solstice]

Ye

Sit just made it better

Bc it gave it a 7 sec cf

Cd

Instead of 12 seconds

[potent bolt]

Done

[pulsar steeple]

Also

[sudden solstice]

js make it sit cancellable

😭

[pulsar steeple]

Reduce lavas cooldown or something when canceling

[sudden solstice]

Is this actually intentional

Jester lava nerf

[potent bolt]

Will do that later

[pulsar steeple]

How do you feel about this?

[obsidian raptor]

what does that do

[pulsar steeple]

Its 3 shadow beam lasers.

Simple as

[obsidian raptor]

Balanced

[chilly topaz]

pshhhhhhh

pshh

pshhhhhh

[pulsar steeple]

Its

As obnoxious as you think it is

[chilly topaz]

rain cloud spread + shadowed

evil zone

[pulsar steeple]

Ew yeah true

You could probably make 3

That sounds diabolical

I gotta try it

[chilly topaz]

prismatic bomb spread

double oiled spread homing dart + mage user

[chilly topaz]

this might be diabolical

infinite damage

also i saw a clip of a bouncy homing dart having pierce

pierce + homing causally hitting the whole server multiple times

at first when i saw bouncy modifier i thought it would make it bounce on the ground

so the projectile would like have gravity

[potent bolt]

Haven't used nor encountered, can't form a strong opinion but looks obnoxious as hell

[strange viper]

I'm surprised you only scratched alch a little

barely a nerf

[potent bolt]

I should nerf siphon pots

I will do that (eventually)

[potent bolt]

Nerfed alch mas even more

[pulsar steeple]

Basically

Just take shadow beam but

Make it do even less damage but

Hit multiple people with it

[potent bolt]

So my assumption is
Remote is better for annoying a single person
Spread is better for being a public nuisance

[pulsar steeple]

Yep

Though I think

[potent bolt]

They added youtube prankster: the ability

[pulsar steeple]

Triple magic dart is worse

[potent bolt]

Wild

[pulsar steeple]

Especially

Spread magic darts with primarily bombs

[potent bolt]

Does the damage modifier on spread affect spawned projectiles

[pulsar steeple]

Yes

All 3 do

[tall blade]

CLUSTER BOMBSSSS

starts spamming e and q

[keen herald]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-pissi-twitch-7tv-gif-7223094372649290081

[brittle pilot]

syringe wont hit anyone, if u want to farm punches use spread magic dart > prismatic bomb (only prismatic bomb can follow up magic dart combo)

but spread is ass for kills

it deals probably 10 dmg if hits both projectiles

even less

the only fair nerf here is shadowbeam laser, other changes would kill already useless projectiles. Seriously, prismatic and disc arent even hard to dodge.

tree nerf? U cant be serious 😭
I wont react but I disagree with some changes.

meteor nerf is a huge W tho

[potent bolt]

Prism bomb with crit, damage orb and enraged doing 97.5 damage is so fair amirite

[brittle pilot]

just cap dmg buff

what about default prismatic use? People will suffer cuz some tryhards cant play without orbs.

It isnt problem with custom, it is problem with orbs and buffs stacking in AW

[potent bolt]

Prism bomb and disk shouldn't do 30 damage

[brittle pilot]

okay, maybe prismatic bomb can be nerfed A BIT, but disc? Disc is easy to dodge

[potent bolt]

Neither should do 30 damage

Also I should nerf crit

A random chance of just doing 2× damage is not healthy for the game's balance

Also the reason I nerfed tree is because people don't like having certain places blocked because some bum felt like using tree

[brittle pilot]

yk what is not healthy also? Cosmos with free offensive get out of jail card, plasma with anti kb and auto track, any forced regeneration with healing orb, hivemind life steal, etc...

and guess what

[potent bolt]

Hive got nerfed already

Plasma doesn't auto track

[brittle pilot]

custom can be used to counter them all

[potent bolt]

Cosmos fair point

Regen orb I also dislike that might nerf that too

[brittle pilot]

laser isnt auto tracking anymore?

or the hitbox is just huge

[potent bolt]

Also wanna know something genuenly unfair?

[brittle pilot]

getting struck by shadowbeam laser 24/7 without a chance to escape

this is the only thing I really dont like in custom

[brittle pilot]

but what did u want to say?

[potent bolt]

Back

Archer volley with damage orb doing 100 damage

[brittle pilot]

tbf atp dos is unfair too

archer needs tons of kills

[potent bolt]

Dos takes a lot of time to ramp

[brittle pilot]

when dos need about 20 to become one shot

[potent bolt]

Archer takes a mere 3 minutes

Plus archer isn't wanted by the entire server

Plus archer already does stupid damage

At high range

[brittle pilot]

well atleast it requires anything to get such power

compared to some abilities that can just respawn and do the same thing over and over again

[potent bolt]

You have never played against archer have you?

[brittle pilot]

I did but I camped with it on lobby roof

[sudden solstice]

Ok

[potent bolt]

Ok that means you have next to no experience

Archer deals stupidly high damage at high range

[brittle pilot]

Dont u think that combo needs increased walkspeed as a passive? And the only passive it has is 10 > 11 dmg from m1s lol.

honestly orbs ruining balancing cuz u cant buff certain aspects of ability without making stackable buffs even more broken.

[sudden solstice]

combo needs ANOTHER rework bro

😭

[brittle pilot]

it feels so boring

[sudden solstice]

it’s just ass no skill and boring

[brittle pilot]

where is our fireball ultimate fr

[sudden solstice]

I mean you can do 65 damage w EEE + damage orb

still lame

[brittle pilot]

Idk how but it feels worse than pre-rework. Before I had fun killing god punch users near edge.

[sudden solstice]

it’s just ass

[strange viper]

Spawn it from a magic dart of syringe

not so easy to dodge anymore

[strange viper]

disk isn't about dmg anyway

the kb is what's important

[pulsar steeple]

Nah 30 damage is 30 damage but disk is 30 damage that also sets the opponent up to being combo’d or at least getting punched one more time

[chilly topaz]

fast ass projectile with invisible windup

with crit it can do up to 60 damage?

am i reading this right?

[brittle pilot]

stop acting like crit is guaranteed to proc 😭

[brittle pilot]

fast ass projectile with invisible windup and insanely small hitbox also this projectile can stuck in anything

also why are we nerfing something that carries custom but not buffing/reworking boring aspects like soul splitter, fireball, snowflake, cloud + shadowbeam (useless), magic dart's spawned projectile that almost never hits?

[pulsar steeple]

Ok soul splitter fireball, snowflake and cloud should be better but

For the love of god I

Never want to see shadow beam buffs

Also thunderclouds are far from useless

It’s like

One of the best abilities to use to zone in the game

Most abilities just can’t reach you if you play around the cloud right

People just don’t play it right

It’s like how unmastered bone Q can be used to control an area but make the area bigger and last way longer

[chilly topaz]

and like 100% uptime

[brittle pilot]

but it isnt guaranteed to hit

[chilly topaz]

if you want to be really evil you can reset spam with the storms

[brittle pilot]

u still can walk under cloud

[pulsar steeple]

A soaked user is far more likely to get hit

It’s rarely worth it for the opponent to run through it

[brittle pilot]

but zoning will be useless just for 1 reason

u wont have space to use 1 more ranged attack cuz wasted shadowbeam on cloud and ur enemy will have time to heal too

its basically "get away from me" move but why dont use teleporting bolt then?

[pulsar steeple]

That’s why you don’t even try to hit the enemy with the syringe

You just

Hit it against a wall near the cloud

[brittle pilot]

Im using remote for syringe shadowbeam

but can we stop imagining situations that wont ever happen? Realistically any move with knockback will help u to keep distance and deal more dmg.

[pulsar steeple]

Wdym unrealistic?

[mystic quarry]

doesn't archer die really easily to any ability with a speed boost?

[pulsar steeple]

I’ve literally ran it for zoning before

It works

[brittle pilot]

it works but other abilities just work better

[pulsar steeple]

It’s still a fine ability

It doesn’t need to be buffed

[sudden solstice]

Literally all of those are fine

😭

[brittle pilot]

ah yes, 2 seconds slowness is so game changing especially on ranged projectile

[mystic quarry]

i think soul splitter should be buffed

[brittle pilot]

it should be way wider imo

[sudden solstice]

it’s cool

I don’t think it needs much of a buff

[brittle pilot]

its cool but so much worse than other things

[sudden solstice]

other than hitting maybe ragdolled players maybe too much

[pulsar steeple]

Only problem with soul splitter is

How easily it can be jumped over

[sudden solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-bait-or-fact-call-it-jjba-gif-4356782155168095918

[brittle pilot]

just give it percentage dmg, soul splitter is basically cleave from jjk, its supposed to bypass defense

[pulsar steeple]

But I wouldn’t call it that bad

It basically comes out instantly

[chilly topaz]

doesn’t soul splitter deal less dmg than the saw

[pulsar steeple]

Yes

[brittle pilot]

yep

[chilly topaz]

😭

the melee that deals less dmg and kb than the actual projectile:

[brittle pilot]

imagine fricking soul cutting slash deals less than a saw lol

[chilly topaz]

percent damage might be a problem with dos

[sudden solstice]

I think thats a problem with the saw being too good and not the soul splitter being bad

[chilly topaz]

with dos having like 400 health the melee would deal a shit ton of dmg if it was percent

😭

[mystic quarry]

some of custom's effects last for too little like enraged and healing

[brittle pilot]

there is no way to make soul splitter guaranteed so unless dos user is stupid, u will never land it on them.

[sudden solstice]

also I think the only buff suitable for soul splitter is it being able to hit players that jump, or ragdolled

[pulsar steeple]

Ragdolled no

[sudden solstice]

yeah

jump yes tho

[pulsar steeple]

Yeah agreed

[mystic quarry]

one of farmer's food items heals as much as using custom's healing

[sudden solstice]

like ur gonna miss 90% of the time just because they jump

[brittle pilot]

😭

[brittle pilot]

hitbox is actually smaller than texture

it might be the only attack in the game with such problem

[mystic quarry]

no

[strange viper]

soul splitter should force you to watch the entire jjk anime

and the instakill you

[sudden solstice]

heh

https://tenor.com/view/jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-jjk-fight-jujutsu-kaisen-fight-sukuna-gif-9526078671029098228

[mystic quarry]

hero of justice's arrow explosion and meteor's moon also have a smaller hitbox than it shows

[sudden solstice]

for Hoj it’s understandable

[brittle pilot]

ngl I want soul splitter to be reworked into holding-type move that can be cancelled, but if u hold, it transforms into barrage of slashes.

[brittle pilot]

devs hate hoj

[strange viper]

clearly not since they buffed it

[chilly topaz]

hoj needed that buff

😭

[brittle pilot]

how much time did it take to buff?

[chilly topaz]

although the minion is a little overturned

[sudden solstice]

Why would they hate hoj

[chilly topaz]

saber parries everything

😭

[mystic quarry]

isn't archer's e undodgeable now?

[brittle pilot]

dimension is useless

[sudden solstice]

Well

[sudden solstice]

wat

punch then dimension

[chilly topaz]

e??

[strange viper]

it was always undodgeable but now the windup is way way shorter

[sudden solstice]

easy kill

[chilly topaz]

oh hoj archer

[sudden solstice]

travels faster

[strange viper]

just punch into the sword

[sudden solstice]

and deals 25 damage

[strange viper]

oh

well in that case

it both comes out faster

and travels faster

than before

[sudden solstice]

it used to deal 20 damage bro it was booty

[strange viper]

it used to deal 50 dmg

that was peak

[chilly topaz]

yeah for hoj archer E either take cover or gain enough distance to juke it out

[sudden solstice]

With that big ass windup

[brittle pilot]

but what if enemy is going to run until it ends?

[strange viper]

which is not possible

anymore

[strange viper]

snipe

[chilly topaz]

😭

or have mobility

[strange viper]

well yeah if you have good mobility

you can easily avoid hoj

[chilly topaz]

At least it isn’t as bad as time at point blank

[strange viper]

but most abilities don't have that

[brittle pilot]

was windup lowered? Maybe it isnt useless now, they never listing revamp changes 😭

[strange viper]

way way lower

it fires almost immediately

[sudden solstice]

they literally buffed EVERYTHING for Hoj there’s no way u didn’t realize shit

[brittle pilot]

I noticed faster arrow, regeneration, better swords and nothing more

[sudden solstice]

It already had 50% faster regen

pretty sure

[strange viper]

yeah

[mystic quarry]

they should return the long windup for hoj's archer e but make the hitbox more accurate and make it deal the damage if you walk into the explosion instead of just when the arrow lands

[pulsar steeple]

Nah.

I (almost) like HoJ now

[strange viper]

they should just revert the arrow to it's first state

aka

big windup

50 dmg

[pulsar steeple]

But saber is overtuned as hell

[strange viper]

ngl

the S key

[pulsar steeple]

Saber is faster than you

[strange viper]

barely

[pulsar steeple]

At least 4 speed faster than you isn’t barely

[strange viper]

just flick her into the void

saber can't flick

[pulsar steeple]

If I need to go out of my way to cheese kill a literal npc

That’s just bad game design

NPCs in general shouldn’t ever

[strange viper]

not sure how it's bad game design

[brittle pilot]

wait until he hear about army mastery

[pulsar steeple]

An npc being able to do all the work for you while putting no input in.

[mystic quarry]

maybe saber's parry could be based on how close you try to hit them from instead of being random

[strange viper]

this npc happens to be one of the main abilities of the hardest ability to get in the game

[strange viper]

it's not doing all the work though

you can kill it while taking like

a single hit

[pulsar steeple]

Army mastery isn’t that bad besides like level 3. You can usually get away fine.

Plus

An army can’t just

Send their army at you from anywhere and actually need to fight you

Oh and army mastery players

[strange viper]

they can just hit you once

[pulsar steeple]

Don’t even know how to run it good

[strange viper]

and you'll take more dmg than you will take from saber

[brittle pilot]

but its battleground, u arent supposed to target 1 person until they die. Just leave ur npc to take their attention and start fighting someone else.

[pulsar steeple]

Wording it like this makes it sound even worse

Now you’re implying the npc only exists to fight a random while you fight someone else

[sudden solstice]

saber should’ve gotten nerfed same with spring and mech

[brittle pilot]

isnt it?

[pulsar steeple]

Thing is you’re right. Which it’s bad game design

If your npc can

Casually fight someone for you that means you are

Fighting that person with

Literal 0 input of any skill or effort

[sudden solstice]

there is literally no way to fight saber

[strange viper]

I can't believe there are people here who can't fight saber

[pulsar steeple]

I can fight saber it’s just she’s a pain in the ass now

I swear you haven’t even fought saber post hoj buffs

[strange viper]

i have tho

[sudden solstice]

having to spam my abilities on an npc sure is fun

[strange viper]

hoj got more popular

[brittle pilot]

bruh u all glazing her so hard that it makes me want to join AW and summon her while typing "with this treasure I summon!" 😔

[strange viper]

after the buffs

[strange viper]

just punch

you can deal way more dmg

[pulsar steeple]

Saber was already the strongest npc in the game before besides like level 3 army

[sudden solstice]

Wrong anime bro wrong anime

[strange viper]

to saber

[sudden solstice]

SHE PARRIES

[strange viper]

than she does to you

[pulsar steeple]

I don’t get why she needed to be buffed

[strange viper]

dude

the parry isn't often enough

[sudden solstice]

she parries every single hit

[strange viper]

no lol

[sudden solstice]

Dude yes it is

[pulsar steeple]

Nah they got a point saber

[sudden solstice]

And shes just too fast

[strange viper]

maybe you're just unlucky

[pulsar steeple]

Parry’s like every other one of my hits

[strange viper]

that has never been my experience

nor have i seen it happen

to other people

[pulsar steeple]

To the point I need to

[brittle pilot]

she parries everything or just m1s?

[pulsar steeple]

Waste my abilities just to

[sudden solstice]

m1s

[pulsar steeple]

Get saber away from me

Which is a huge detriment in a fight

[sudden solstice]

oh yeah fun fact

if u use barriers e and trap saber she can’t hit u for some reason

but u can

[pulsar steeple]

I’m not running barrier to solely cheese saber

[sudden solstice]

eh

I use barrier often now

[strange viper]

why are you calling everything cheesing .-.

[pulsar steeple]

That’s what that is

[strange viper]

are you gonna say abilities are cheesing because they are easier to kill with than punching .-.

[strange viper]

you called voiding

cheesing

just hitting something into the void

which is a fundimental part of the game

[pulsar steeple]

Having to get an npc to follow you all the way to the void to only punch them once and void them

That’s cheesing

[sudden solstice]

if saber doesnt kil I first

[pulsar steeple]

That’s going out of your way to do something to make it significantly easier than doing it in a more traditional way

[brittle pilot]

she isnt a player, so the script treats her as another attack coming at u from the outside. Im probably pretty sure that if the caster is inside ur barrier, she will hit easily.

[sudden solstice]

u*

caster from fate

https://tenor.com/view/fate-caster-medea-fate-stay-night-gif-14389212

[pulsar steeple]

Regardless npcs part of abilities will never be a fun and balanced mechanic. At least not offensive ones.

Which is why I want them to always be in an underpowered state

The only balanced one is robot and robot is barely a C tier ability

[sudden solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/fate-zero-saber-reverse-grip-artoria-fate-gif-10794474623407268301

[pulsar steeple]

Fighting and killing an npc will never get you closer to winning a fight, which is fine if they’re just a meatshield for the user kinda like robot is. But it gets obnoxious when that same thing is also posing a legitimate threat

So the only npc abilities I tolerate are robot and army

Because they’re actually integral parts to both their kits

[strange viper]

fighting and killing an npc does get you closer to winning a fight though, because that means the opponent now has an ability on cooldown

[pulsar steeple]

And I’m indifferent on puppet

[strange viper]

which matters for hoj

since you're sacrificing the dimension

for the npc

[sudden solstice]

sacrificing a win for a win

ur probably gonna kill them with either saber is just more annoying

[pulsar steeple]

Killing saber is not gonna put their ability more on cooldown

And saber has a lot of health

[strange viper]

if you die to saber

I have no idea what you're doing

like genuinely

[sudden solstice]

what

[strange viper]

how do you die to saber

[sudden solstice]

have u ever fought saber

[strange viper]

yes

[sudden solstice]

after buffs

the fuck do u use

[strange viper]

any ability with slight range?

and just

punching

[sudden solstice]

parries

[strange viper]

you say it parries every time

it does not

[pulsar steeple]

It’s not every time but the parries are still a

Way for Saber to punish you for

Actually hitting her?

It’s not a good mechanic on an npc at all

Especially when it feels random when it happens

[brittle pilot]

tbh it makes no sense that hoj summon punishes close ranged abilities that are already heavily vulnerable to hoj base attacks. Saber should punish rangers.

like dashing to them

parrying only projectiles

[pulsar steeple]

My issue is more just

Why did the objective strongest npc in the game

Need a buff

Saber was already fine

[sudden solstice]

So ur saying I need to use my abilities on an npc

[brittle pilot]

to be fair, there are only 3 npcs (without counting minions)

[pulsar steeple]

There’s more than that especially after that update

You got

[brittle pilot]

puppet, saber, robot

others are minions

[strange viper]

if you can use a low cd move to leave your opponent with their high cd move on cooldown

Yes

do that

[pulsar steeple]

I count minions

[sudden solstice]

why do I need to use an ability on an npc regardless

[pulsar steeple]

They’re still npcs

To me you got

[strange viper]

I honestly don't see any problem with it

[brittle pilot]

so puppet, saber, robot, army, ufo, defender, gingerbread

[pulsar steeple]

Robot, Puppet, Mushroom summons, Aliens, Army soldiers, Saber, Gingerbread

[pulsar steeple]

Defender?

[brittle pilot]

ah yes mushroom

[strange viper]

you're not even worried about it being unfair anymore

[sudden solstice]

I’d like to use my abilities on an actual person

[strange viper]

now it's just your pride

[pulsar steeple]

Am I missing something

[brittle pilot]

nvm brickbattler lol

[pulsar steeple]

Oh

[strange viper]

because this

[pulsar steeple]

Yeah

[strange viper]

literally means you come out with an advantage

after killing the npc

[sudden solstice]

It’s unfair because it requires me to use my abilities on an npc and I can’t just kill it with punching

[strange viper]

woww you have to put in slight effort to kill the npc

so unfair!

and after that you can easily kill the user

[sudden solstice]

ITS NOT EVEN EFFORT

[strange viper]

totally unfair

[sudden solstice]

I JUST HAVE TO SPAM

[sudden solstice]

no

[brittle pilot]

just suggest to rework saber into anti-ranged npc instead

[sudden solstice]

arrow spam

[strange viper]

then what is the fucking problem

you put in zero effort and come out on top

[brittle pilot]

I agree that punishing already countered enemy makes no sense

[sudden solstice]

I want to use my abilities on a person

[pulsar steeple]

Tbh all I’d want is saber to go back to how she was pre rework

[strange viper]

arrow can be used once

[sudden solstice]

so

[strange viper]

well too fucking bad you can't do that for like 20 seconds or whatever your cooldown is

[sudden solstice]

doesn’t mean u cant spam it

[brittle pilot]

then she will despawn without landing a hit 😭

[sudden solstice]

wow

[strange viper]

it means you can catch up

[sudden solstice]

better than whatehrt she currently is

😭

[strange viper]

because it takes time for the cd to clear

[pulsar steeple]

Good.

[sudden solstice]

saber can literally

[pulsar steeple]

NPCs in abilities

Should always be in a weaker state

[sudden solstice]

hit while shes ragdolled and hit while ur ragdolled

she can parry while shes ragdolled

[pulsar steeple]

In other words, An ability which can do the work for you

Shouldn’t be an S tier ability

HoJ you do at least need to try a bit

[sudden solstice]

Hoj js needs a speed nerf honestly

saber*

[pulsar steeple]

My when casually my older suggestion is

One of the only good use cases of an npc in an ability

[chilly topaz]

random parry proc and you die

[strange viper]

she can't flick you into the void

[chilly topaz]

also saber whilst she’s not targeting anyone counts as vertical mobility

[strange viper]

i'm not talking about flicking backwards

you can just go along the side

[chilly topaz]

you can jump on saber’s head

as the hoj user

[strange viper]

not very useful

it's barely any mobility

[chilly topaz]

You can stay in the air constantly

😭

[strange viper]

you're standing on an npc

you're not flying

[chilly topaz]

it’s slightly useful

if you spam jump you’re like

4 npc’s in the air

until someone comes near you that is

[strange viper]

the only thing you can really do from that position is use the arrow

which you can do anyway

so pretty pointless

[chilly topaz]

[potent bolt]

https://gyazo.com/aacda7041e452a116725278f9abc7840.gif

[pulsar steeple]

Thinking of speed boosts can we

Acknowledge how overpowered dice really is

It can basically become near the power level of a stacked alchemist by just rolling strength and speed at once

It’s being extremely slept on rn because there’s a level of luck to it but

It genuinely has old alchemist speed and is usually up more than even old swiftness potion alch was

[potent bolt]

Yeah but at the same time

You can lose like 50 health if you get burning

[pulsar steeple]

I think that’s a bad excuse since like

Respawning:

It’s probably

[pulsar steeple]

The best early-mid dos killer easily rn

And probably best hivemind too

[potent bolt]

syringe soul splitter

[bronze quarry]

Never gets old

Who need shadowbeam when u have soul splitter?

[pulsar steeple]

I just realized that guy wanted

Magic dart spawner projectiles buffed

Did he

Want them to consistently hit you or something?

[potent bolt]

Where

[bronze quarry]

Not that

I wanted consistancy

Because sometimes that combo doesnt hit when it should

And sometimes it does the opposite (hitting when it shouldnt)

[pulsar steeple]

.

[bronze quarry]

Also i wanted spawner projectiles to actually hit

[pulsar steeple]

Spawner projectiles on magic dart should never lmao

It should be there for the novelty

That’s something you think you want

[bronze quarry]

Because every spawner projectile combo (besides one im using) doesnt even hit

[pulsar steeple]

Then it gets added

And you’re getting punished for 35 damage by a giga disk spawned from a magic dart

[potent bolt]

What else do I change about the abilities

[pulsar steeple]

That you literally can’t avoid

[potent bolt]

Oh yeah the lava reduced cd when cancelling

What should it be

[bronze quarry]

Just remove magic dart spawning stuff

[potent bolt]

Vote now

[bronze quarry]

4 seconds reduction seems fair

[pulsar steeple]

Did you

See my suggestion on buffing lava?

[potent bolt]

Yeah but I forgot everything

[pulsar steeple]

I wanted to do a different approach to cancelling it like jester

Basically

Holding W or S

Rapidly increases / decreases its acceleration

So you get more control

And it doesn’t take as long to gain speed

Oh and

You’d be able to jump

[potent bolt]

So it doesn't actively sabotage you now?

And it's actually usable?

Good

[bronze quarry]

Am i allowed to put my funnies here?

(aka suggestion link)

[potent bolt]

The what

[bronze quarry]

^

[potent bolt]

Fine

[bronze quarry]

https://discord.com/channels/922921165373202463/1354043220123975702

[pulsar steeple]

Correct

Yeah lava E without sit cancelling is

Actively the worst ability in the game imo

[bronze quarry]

Reason i made this is that mabey people would use syrgine and projectiles in their spawners more since effects on custom are dogshit

[potent bolt]

Now here is an important question

[bronze quarry]

And it makes spawners bassicly useless unless u run a spawner that doesnt slow or burn

[pulsar steeple]

Actually technically the worst ability is

[bronze quarry]

There are worse ability

[bronze quarry]

Seat

[pulsar steeple]

Throwing a negative custom effect

[pulsar steeple]

Not worst ability in general

[potent bolt]

Due to the state defender mastery is in (archer's volley, certain paths are worse than the other, etc), should I make a defender mastery rebalance

[pulsar steeple]

Worst ability inside of an ability

[bronze quarry]

Ah k

[pulsar steeple]

Lava still has its Q which is an unreliable version of rage E

And it’s passive punch damage

But lava E actively sabotages you in fights

It’s too slippery for any consistent combos & you get punished harder for getting hit than if you weren’t using it

In exchange for being able to go quicker but rarely that speed goes to good use when you can’t control yourself whatsoever

[chilly topaz]

lmao

[strange viper]

burning doesn't exist anymore

[strange viper]

#1353419495577747549

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90kudCGd1EU

dice is so fucked rn

[strange viper]

no

it becomes several magnitudes stronger than a buffed up 100 killstreak dos

[pulsar steeple]

Yeah I’m aware of that part too

[strange viper]

it is practically unkillable

it has so much speed that you can barely control it

it can one shot people

with the gun

[potent bolt]

Ok wow

[strange viper]

watch the video

[potent bolt]

Ok wait so

They broke dice

[strange viper]

yes

if you get "level 1" strength the first time you roll it with Q

you get "level 2" strength next time

and it goes on forever

with all the effects

[pulsar steeple]

Dice needs

An effect stack limit regardless

Of only like

2

The coin should just be a

Rng based support ability not casually the part that makes it cracked

[strange viper]

just give it a longer cd and longer effect duration

boom

[potent bolt]

Rng alch mas

[strange viper]

make the effect duration actually lower than the cd

[strange viper]

except

the effects would be fairly weak

no stacking

better than rn anyway

[pulsar steeple]

The speed and strength buffs should be weaker anyways

I see the coin

As a support to the dice being

The main part of the kit

[chilly topaz]

wtf

[potent bolt]

Nerfed alch mas, again

[obsidian raptor]

remove alchemist

[potent bolt]

.

[chilly topaz]

the discord bug that makes it so if you try to delete your message before it sends it just doesn’t

also mmm without bbb role jumpscare

[potent bolt]

I didn't even try to delete it

Also BBB got moved down, still gives embed and name perms tho

[chilly topaz]

[potent bolt]

Now people seem to dislike this, for what reason

[chilly topaz]

they dont want the game to be balanced

you should ping them all one by one

search for people that disliked without sending a message here

[mortal temple]

I love alch mastery

I love drowning people in 10 siphon potions

And killing dos with speed and damage potions

They should add more goofy things to alch

Like the extra limb potion

[chilly topaz]

i’m pretty sure all extra limb pot does is extend your hurtbox

kinda like mage’s outstretched arm

[mortal temple]

Yeah
But it's funny

They should add stuff like that to alch mastery

Like a DNA coil that turns other ppl into your avatar when you throw the potion at them

[potent bolt]

But ion want to look ugly

Imagine having an inappropriate avatar and throwing that pot at players

[mortal temple]

Curse of looking like ao oni

Well ig that's an issue to

[potent bolt]

.

[obsidian raptor]

Remove alchemist

[potent bolt]

.

[obsidian raptor]

just died to custom with 48 dos bc he spammed multi shot syringe with saw so im here to cope

[chilly topaz]

g

[potent bolt]

Now what unbalanced things are there right now

Other than the obvious ones

[chilly topaz]

freeze

[mortal temple]

God punch

[potent bolt]

I feel like there's way bigger problems rn than freeze

[chilly topaz]

the only thing about gp that could reasonably changed is making it so they cant reset spam until theyre on top of you

[potent bolt]

Ok this one is just extremely annoying

[potent bolt]

Spawn animation

Alr listed in my suggestion

[mortal temple]

Just make a spawn animation lmao
Descending from the skies for 2 seconds with I frames and done

Gp is no longer a threat

[potent bolt]

Literally what I said

[mortal temple]

Ik
But I have golden egg role

[potent bolt]

And I got the big buck baller role

[mortal temple]

Reaper needs a buff
It's such a good idea but it's ass

[potent bolt]

Gingerbread...

[mortal temple]

That too

Malice I want one thing changed

[chilly topaz]

oh yeah theres this problem with gingerbread

[mortal temple]

A passive where you use the sword as your basic attack

[potent bolt]

Sacrificed an entire ability for worthless minions

[chilly topaz]

a gb user can stand on top of their tank goon and then it becomes impossible to melee them without taking 40 dmg