Israeli Ground Forces

[dull turret]

Ofc i cant compare the two in matters of how controventional they are because its literally in the point of view ofpeople looking at it

But in fact they are both controventional in the fact they both in active wars of some what

Or were recently i guess

[uncut vapor]

Controversy doesn't start and stop at "a war"

[dire sonnet]

You are insane if you think the warcrimes the VDV has committed compared to the IDF are eaven in the same universe. You are clearly biased. They will not add a faction that is commiting one of the worst genocides of recent years

[dull turret]

You sound way more biased then me since when media dictate facts now adays i wont even keep going since its gonna start going into politics and its non of my intention to

[uncut vapor]

tbh you just sound uninformed

[dull turret]

Why because we dont agree?

[uncut vapor]

No, because it's not a media issue. World organizations have been calling it what it is. Comparing Ukraine in this instance is just silly. They are the victim of an invasion.

VDV is at least closer in the direction of comparable controversy, but even that is flimsy.

[dull turret]

But im not talking black and white brother they are all controventional its not a matter of whos worst they are all compareable by the fact they are controventional

[uncut vapor]

They aren't even on the same scale.

[dull turret]

But im not talking about scale

[uncut vapor]

Yes, you are unrecognizing of it.

[dull turret]

Like man you just try too hard to make it a bigger deal

[uncut vapor]

Hence, I think you might be uninformed.

Comparing the victim of an invasion to the perpetrator of a genocide against civilians is simply ignorant.

Controversy isn't the defining factor of what gets added to Squad, for sure

but the comparison just never made any sense to make.

[dull turret]

This is just gonna go in circles man i made my point sorry if i touched a nerve

[uncut vapor]

There's no nerve touched.

Do I seem agitated to you? Just informing you of the difference between the two things.

It's a little like comparing Poland and Germany in WW2.

One, the victim of an invasion. The other the perpetrator of invasion and genocide.

[dull turret]

Half true but like i said no politics

[uncut vapor]

This is a pretty sanitized discussion, I think.

This is established fact by world orgs, not some political agenda.

If you feel so strongly to discuss the actual politics of the situation I would be open to a dialogue in private but obviously not what we are to do here.

[dull turret]

World orgs which most of are considered a literal joke

[uncut vapor]

lol.

I see you are a free thinker type

No amount of international agreement will change your mind!

Anyway, controversy doesn't factor into IDF being added.

Moving on.

[restive crow]

lol

[dull turret]

That is not true but when a majority of them are informed by baised media and tiktok i will

[uncut vapor]

Please, save my braincells.

Let's stop here.

[restive crow]

BOYS BOYS BOYS

Shut your bitch asses up and talk about something else.

[dull turret]

You trying to degrade me is actually funny

[uncut vapor]

Yeah, I shouldn't punch down like that.

You're right.

[restive crow]

HOLY FUCKING SMALL DICK BRO STFU

Guys who cares

just add the faction

New maps

[dull turret]

Thats not a punch man its just stupid

[restive crow]

and new equipment add new layers.

Controversy is the dumbest reason to not include something. People have different opinions, its a multilayered issue and should not be brought up.

[uncut vapor]

how's ironbutterfly doing these days?

I ignored your messages a long time ago but funny to see you still kicking

[restive crow]

That wasnt to you btw.

[restive crow]

Yeah im still kicking.

[brave bobcat]

Thats a terrible argument, they have Iran and russia

[brave bobcat]

Lol you are also majorly biased

[atomic copper]

Idgaf if they add it or not. My original post was saying Supermod has it

[uncut vapor]

As you can see from what Dubs said here, controversy isn't an argument against inclusion regardless.

[uncut vapor]

Funny, when you display your bias publicly on your profile.

I think everyone would do best to stfu about it before you end up diving into politics and earning a ban.

Post images of kit you want to see or something instead. It'd be a better use of this thread anyway.

[brave bobcat]

I said also, what's your issue

[uncut vapor]

Stones, glass houses, you know the rest.

[brave bobcat]

Lol

[plain mason]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-and-robin-holy-gif-21474355

Never seen so much stupidity dumped in an unrelated train of thought

https://tenor.com/view/explode-train-train-wreck-gif-15622571

[charred sluice]

israel = diddy 💀

[peak dawn]

Add hamas, make it fair

Or dont add it at all

[peak dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/diddy-diddy-stare-stare-diddy-baby-oil-puff-daddy-gif-15764673949371655817

[unborn crown]

that would just be an insurgents reskin

PR could pull it off because PR has a million factions

[left flax]

Also OWI does not do real terrorist groups

[peak dawn]

you could split it into a sub faction

[unborn crown]

that subfaction would still be an insurgents reskin

its unnecessary

[mighty garnet]

Fr

Only difference would be black RPG warheads

And Hummus has 0 armored vehicles

[peak dawn]

exactly

make it just pick ups

https://tenor.com/view/tkt-smart-gif-20642718

like how the canadian miltia is setup to be played on certain maps only, make it the same for the faction

[mighty garnet]

They have M113s

And Coyotes

[peak dawn]

but specifically make it city dense maps such as fallujah or albashrah

[mighty garnet]

I mean techies are always Shit

[peak dawn]

i think it would be a chaotic fun factions, just have pickups driving around, being able to be highly mobile

[tired scaffold]

🤔

Full video of where that screenshot was taken, from the official Squad YouTube channel by the way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBdh-1MZ3ww

My personal opinion is that factions should be named as authentically as possible. Squad is a video game with a fictional setting where no faction is inherently 'good' or 'bad', they just 'are'. There is no narrative in the game. Denying new factions under the guise of political correctness is just stupid.

Squad is one of the few (perhaps only) games where actual militaries/factions are portrayed, all the AAA games have been censored, this even extends to things like weapons and vehicles, but that's a whole other topic. Even AA games are afraid to add real countries anymore.

Refusing to add a faction like the IDF, one that would bring with it a bunch of cool and interesting assets because of real-world actions is dumb. A faction. country, or group being featured in the game does not mean that said faction, country, or groups actions or beliefs are approved of by the developers, why do people have such a difficult time understanding that?

Just like when EA bent the knee and censored the Taliban from Medal of Honor 2010.

https://gamesbeat.com/ea-caves-to-pressure-and-removes-taliban-from-medal-of-honor-game/

[left flax]

That was pre alpha policy, it is no longer relevant

[tired scaffold]

Are you an OWI dev or something? What makes you so sure this was an official policy alteration?

[left flax]

If you scroll up, you will see that Dubs said that OWI does not do real terrorist groups.

#1283970445770489897 message

[peak dawn]

but the thing is the modern isurgents are so different from the taliban, its justa very generic middle eastern faction

[latent coyote]

Then OWI would have to add an unarmed civilian faction so that they could accurately portray the gameplay of the IDF which is mostly war crimes and genocide.

[chrome mulch]

explain by "make it fair" as if there is any obligation to add a US designated terrorist organization into squad.

[peak dawn]

us based terrorist organisation is a joke

plus the devs are canadian im pretty sure

[chrome mulch]

really. what US designated terrorist organization would you say isnt a terrorist organization?

[peak dawn]

they put anyone on there they do not like

[chrome mulch]

what US designated terrorist organization would you say isnt a terrorist organization?

[peak dawn]

didnt they recently put the mexican cartel there?

[chrome mulch]

you would say that isnt a terrorist organization?

even tho 300 thousand people die in america due to fentanyl overdose every year...

you are a smart one arent you.

you know alot about the world i can tell.

13 year old thinking he knows something about the world.

[peak dawn]

Omg Jordanians or Lebanese forces could be standalone faction to fight the IDF, both have I resting equipment. Preffereably Jordan cause Lebanon mostly has weapons already used heavily in base game

[restive crow]

There is no mention by OWI on their website regarding faction naming.

[unborn crown]

i think iran is fine as the main adversary to israel

you could also do idf v turkey

[tired scaffold]

That's what I'm thinking, Dubs may be a closed play tester and know more than the average player regarding OWI decisions, but I wouldn't take his statement as an official OWI one.

[left flax]

He is not a play tester, he is a mod. Why dont you ask him where he got this information from?

[restive crow]

A mod means shit bro, you just moderate stuff he has no association to OWI in anny mannar except through discord. Just look at his perms.

[left flax]

Why dont you ask him directly then?

Really no point in arguing with me about that

[restive crow]

Yeah there is a point because you pull random shit out of your ass and act like you are right.

@reef lotus Yo, is there a policy regarding the naming of factions? Specifically by OWI.

[left flax]

(he wants to know if OWI has a policy against bringing IRL terrorist organizations into the game)

[restive crow]

Wow bro cant even get that right holy bro.

[reef lotus]

Yes, real world terrorist organizations will not be named in Squad, similarly to real world controversial paramilitary organizations. It's why the Insurgent & Militia factions are named in the most generic way possible. This has been in practice since the birth of OWI. The old Insurgent faction(with the old Taliban inspired models) from pre-alpha & Early alpha, was still called Insurgents.

This is not to say factions have specific design elements based on specific things of these organizations, but that's as far as it'll go.

The moderation team has a lot of insight with Squad, are long time testers(Including being OWI Design Testers), and have a direct line to the development team. While we are not developers ourselves, we are pretty well informed(most of the time). I myself have been here and doing things for OWI since Pre-Alpha in 2015; Moderation, testing, QA for other games and the odd Military advisory task when approached.

[restive crow]

Thx dubs

well we have out answer

Now pin that shit for future reference

@left flax There is your answer, you were correct good shit.

[restive crow]

What about the Donbass forces? They have changed Militia to be very very close to the equipment and flag of the Donbass forces.

[reef lotus]

That would fall under this
This is not to say factions have specific design elements based on specific things of these organizations, but that's as far as it'll go

The Militia flag has taken inspirations from the Russian Naval Jack / Donbass Novorossiya, but you wont ever find a direct 1:1 representation of anything controversial like that. This will be the third of fourth time, the Militia's indentity has been altered and taken new inspirations.

[restive crow]

Interesting, can you tell me anything about OWI short term goals that have not been mentioned previously?

[reef lotus]

Highly depends on what it is, a lot of things I know of regarding the future of Squad, is bound under NDA.

[restive crow]

Is there a vehicle armor rework in progress? Working ERA, Slat armor, APS. Supposedly this is in the files alongside the T90M, according to some data miners. Also can you give me a rough estimate as to when the Helicopter update with Manpads, flares, and Cas helis will drop?

[restive crow]

Can you tell me how long OWI will continue to update Squad?

[reef lotus]

Functioning ERA is on the to do/want list, no time frame when this will get focus.
Functioning SLAT is in the same boat as ERA, but currently does have some functionality in-game - As in adds fall off distance.
Functioning APS is the most likely thing to come first, as it's planned to add Shtora to the T-90A. Whether more APS systems are added after this, is TBD.
The Heli update with MANPADS, Flares and CAS is hard to say, but most likely looking at around Q2 2026.

[reef lotus]

How long is a piece of string? lol
No real answer for this, but the hope is for at least another decade, if money, time and playerbase retention allows it.

[restive crow]

Thats a lot more than I thought you would say wow.

Thx

[restive crow]

When is the next update after 10.0 planning to release, and what will that update entail?

[hollow lotus]

Tar-21 does look like shit yes
X-95 is quite a nice look though
Especially the micro tavor

Yeah but squad is not set in modern times
Its not limited to certain years they pick equipement based on fit into the game

Different tank
Different vehicle structure
Different APCs
Different light troop carriers
Different trucks
"Same vehicles as america" ????
Unique uniforms
New vehicles
New AT weapons
New MG
New rifles
New ATGM
New sidearm
"Only new addition are the rifles"
"Germany would bring vehicles camo weapons etc"
(Leopard already in the game, Wants HK instead of G36 so just another M4 style weapon and wants a glorified multicam instead of flecktarn)

Now with the ceasefire it wouldnt be as hot of a topic to add so maybe so

Not that offworld avoids hot additions

[hollow lotus]

This is all we have so far

[hollow lotus]

Functioning APS and ERA would kinda be a one sided buff though with the current vehicles in game
This only makes sense if you nerf russian armor under the ERA

[reef lotus]

There will be a minor follow up patch(10.1) coming roughly a month post V10 release, which aims to replace the Russian/Soviet optics on AFU weapons, with Western optics. That's all I can really say on that, without breaching NDA.

Other than that, there will be hotfixes in-between 10.0 and 10.1, depending what needs to fixed in that time. Other than that, everything else is basically under NDA lol

[worthy summit]

Is there a plan to update the Russian faction, add new equipment (such as the T80 and T90M), redesign the uniform, etc?

[cerulean fox]

so he was right!

[cerulean fox]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-gif-27600067

[worthy summit]

Is your life really so boring that you follow my every message?

ha ha

[tired scaffold]

Thanks for the details, though it's evidently not 100% true. Look at the screenshot and video I listed above where the Insurgents were openly named 'Taliban'.

[reef lotus]

That was during prototyping/white boarding phases, while establishing what Squad was going to be. Not long after this, it was changed to generic Insurgents as OWI was working on a fully fledged commercial product, not a modification. Monetization guidelines for sales, press coverage and not wanting to give specific organizations a platform, all played into why we do not have named terrorist or paramilitary organizations.

[chrome mulch]

shit looks like an uzi

they should add uzi as a raider lmao

yeah "uzi pro" is used by some units in the idf

shits sexy honestly

[chrome mulch]

New ATGM. i think they could add spike. but make it low range so its fair compared to the current straight shot atgms.

[hollow lotus]

Yeah by shayetet... not infantry...

[hollow lotus]

The one on the left is the micro tavor
Right one is an uzi

[chrome mulch]

shayetet 7 my beloved

[elfin helm]

As far as I can remember, the uzi and all of its variants are only used by military police, border guards, and special forces units

[chrome mulch]

still would be cool

[elfin helm]

It would, and I think the gun is iconic and cool... but it's not accurate

[chrome mulch]

it wouldnt be accurate to give israel tow. because israel uses spike. but they will most likely give israel tow.

[cerulean fox]

Since we have unique mechanic with stugna, they can make unique mechanic for spike too

And spike have manual mode

[chrome mulch]

thank you

[chrome mulch]

no thats obvious. its just spike flying above trees makes it very overpowered compared to an average tow.

maybe make it lower range than average tow. and lower damage. since its probably 100% hitrate.

also lower visibility. smaller screen lower quality. would mean on average less hits. and i think that should be enough to balance it

[tired scaffold]

I wonder how far along Midnight Interactive (led by the disgraced Chance 'ChanceBrahh' Blair) IDF mod came along. They announced it on Reddit but then started working on Burning Lands, perhaps OWI told them they would not buy it even if they made it? I heard the Aussie mod was not in a great state when OWI purchased it, so perhaps they cut ties with further MI developments?

Thread: https://old.reddit.com/r/joinsquad/comments/fc8j6d/from_the_team_that_brought_you_the_aussie_faction/

[left flax]

Both the mods they bought either were in terrible shape at release (CAF) or took years to release. They also want less tech depth / spagetthi code, etc, which means that development must follow certain standards and rules. They could very well have decided to ditch the idea of buying mods to ensure quality or because it did not really save them any resources due to the required rework of modded content. I guess we will see how they handle mods when the french are released.

[reef lotus]

The IDF faction mod didn't get out of the whiteboarding phase, I helped him get in contact with active IDF, for military advisors. Chance bit off a little more than he could chew at the beginning, a bit on the overly ambitious side. He was planning three factions. The ADF, NZDF( I was military advisor) and IDF factions, but eventually only had the budget and man power to focus on a singular faction, so ADF it was.

[tired scaffold]

Do you know how much OWI paid for the faction? I know it's likely you can't give specifics, I am just really curious how much something like that costs.

[elfin helm]

Would like to point out that Super Mod has the IDF faction

A lot of the Kits use M4A1's, X95's, and a couple of M16A1's

Looks like they haven't modded in the Negev NG-5 nor the Negev NG-7

[elfin helm]

actually... I really like how Super Mod put the Machine Gunner Kits in the Fire Support Roles and how they give special kits to Rifleman Fireteam Leaders

[mighty garnet]

Supermod just too good

[chrome mulch]

supermod is definitely better than base game

[mighty garnet]

Real

[graceful isle]

🏳️‍🌈 🏳️‍🌈 🏳️‍🌈 🏳️‍🌈

[mighty garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/sybau-syaos-british-english-ts-pmo-gif-18322740700124619850

[raven dust]

Yet)

[hollow lotus]

This suggestion is on 222 likes with 2k comments
Nothing else comes close to this it would be foolish not to consider it

The fact its controversial shouldnt be a problem if anything it stirs discussion which further advertises the game
Besides the fact its conventional faction which isnt the same thing as the other conventional ones would also be nice

[tired scaffold]

I've considered this aspect as well; any publicity is good publicity generally speaking.

In the past I didn't see OWI ever adding a Ukrainian faction considering the ongoing war, then the players made Ukrainian factions and had them face off against Russia and those mods became really popular, especially amongst Ukrainian and Russian players. This probably played a role in OWI realizing they were actively ignoring a large community. So far it seems like it paid off, the Ukrainians seem to really appreciate the fact that they're officially in the game despite some errors/omissions.

Adding the IDF would undoubtedly bring eyes to the game that would have never heard of it otherwise, and as long as Steam isn't willing to ban the game over it, I don't see how this would be a bad thing.

Now, one caveat is if (if) the game comes to consoles at some point (which I think it will), Microsoft and/or Sony could be bitches and force censorship just like they did to Void Interactive when Ready or Not released on consoles. The PC players were forced to undergo the same censorship that console players were as Void didn't want to have to deal with two versions.

[hollow lotus]

In my opinion if I hate a faction and they add it I get to shoot at them
If I like them I get to play as them
Win win

[hollow lotus]

Ready or Not censorship was such a none issue lmao
They censored pornographic material and disabled dismemberment after death
Neither of these are in Squad and ready or nots political messaging and groups were kept the same

[unborn crown]

this is why arabs love GE

cuz they get to blow israeli humvees up

plus nowadays the IDF shouldnt even be that controversial

the wars in gaza and lebanon are pretty much over

and the invasion in syria is just a very tiny incursion

if we were in late 2023 id say alright it might be too controversial to add

but now i think it should be fine

[hollow lotus]

Yeah they get to do the larp edits with the red triangle and stuff

And the overedited clip

And obscenly loud background nasheed

But offworld obviously cant add hamas or hezbollah since adding listed terrorist groups has a history of controversy with congress
Still the insurgent faction already fills that role

[tired scaffold]

The point stands, console companies are heavy-handed with censorship compared to Steam. Hell, I wouldn't put it past Sony/Microsoft to have a fit about Russia and Iran being in the game.

Obviously, this is currently a non-issue as Squad isn't on consoles, but as I said I think it will happen eventually.

[hollow lotus]

First of all they added the iranian military
Very different to the IRGC
Russia is already a feature for COD games and other military shooters
And this has nothing to do with age ratings

[quasi sleet]

tbf squad added vdv maybe 10 moth after they were part of war crimes north of Kyiv, so everything is subjective

[tired scaffold]

I think the IRGC is coming. The image I am linking is from the 9.0 patch notes.

Russia hasn't been featured in a CoD for ages, no mainstream developers or publishers have the audacity to feature real countries anymore, especially ones seen in a negative light by the West.

Squad is the only game out there that features real countries that is currently being actively developed/updated. Literally the ONLY one.

You may consider War Thunder, but I don't. At least not until they add infantry.

[minor tendon]

tbf people did vote for ukraine to be added in during the last (and only iinm) faction poll some time back, so for them not to add ukraine would be going against the players' (or those who voted) wishes whereas the suggestion to add the IDF has mostly been relegated to this thread

[unborn crown]

iran already fills the role of the direct adversarial faction to israel

[hollow lotus]

Israel hasnt engaged the iranian military much
The conflict is mainly against the IRGC

[unborn crown]

in a hypothetical ww3 scenario like in squad they absolutely would

although an IRGC faction would also be super cool to see in the game

but i dont know if owi could feasibly add them to the game

they could add some sort of fictional IRGC-fillin to be the irani subfaction

[uncut vapor]

Not really. There have been repeated ceasefire violations in both cases.

[unborn crown]

yeah but thats the status quo in middle eastern ceasefires anyway

those dont count

[uncut vapor]

Sure they count, war isn't over until it's over

None of that matters for it's inclusion in Squad.

Controversy isn't really a defining factor of who gets included or not.

[unborn crown]

https://tenor.com/view/meh-mediocre-so-so-kinda-maybe-gif-13935570

[uncut vapor]

.

Ukraine was added particularly due to the increased number of Ukranian players and the subsequent demand for representation. Controversy isn't a key factor.

Israel is by far more controversial, but controversy wouldn't be the primary reason for their lack of inclusion.

More than likely, it is the small demand for Israel that makes it unlikely to be added in the near future.

I suppose if you want to twist it you could argue that the controversy is part of the reason for that small demand, but it's not something that Offworld is withholding for fear of bad press.

[junior nexus]

this has 224 upvotes i don't think it's in small demand

[uncut vapor]

As if 224 people in this discord represents a large portion of the community?

There were 17k votes in the faction poll last year. 200 is literally nothing

[dawn mirage]

That is a small amount. Not much to warrant prioritizing this faction.

You ask me... we need more for the East Asian theatre. Japan, North Korea, South Korea, East Asian rebels, etc..

[left flax]

Compared to what vote numbers other faction proposals in this dc recieve, 200 is a lot

And idf was not part of the survey iirc, and comparing the votes for this dc thread to a survey that was announced to all users as well as ingame and via social media makes little sense anyway

[uncut vapor]

More sense than claiming that these 200 votes constitute wide demand.

Maybe you'd be right if there were a community groundswell for IDF not appearing in the poll. But there wasn't.

It is simply not that demanded.

[left flax]

Thats speculation. Also ukraine was also in no demand before 2022. The interest in idf may be different now

[reef lotus]

I know yes, and not something I can say. All I can really say is, the payment and terms fall inline with what is considered industry standard for full purchase & ownership.

[elfin helm]

I will say this
... this post gets more comments and reactions than the other posts I've made, like the South African Army 🇿🇦 and Indian Army 🇮🇳

[mighty garnet]

WHO wants to play as INDIA 💀💀🧌🧌

[quasi sleet]

well India vs China in Himalayas would be epic xd you know, like in that video https://www.reddit.com/r/BeAmazed/comments/1frrpy3/due_to_a_1996_agreement_both_india_and_china_army/

[modern crater]

Then how would you define demand?

[modern crater]

As an admin in the Squad IL discord server ‏which is the biggest and the most active one than other israeli dis servers by far (and might be considered the only one since all others arent specifically for squad but comms which is one of their main games) I do agree with the fact that compared to other national squad dis servers the number of israeli players is way lower, and we dont even have an Israeli squad server on the server browser (there have been 2 failed attempts due to the low number of players)
But how does that affect on "demand"?

Currently we have all the resources for a squad server, but not enough squad players...

[modern crater]

Tho Id want to streangthen this point, cause out of all faction suggestions for the future, it seems like this one has the most demand imo

[upper summit]

Germany/France have consistently been more popular as modded factions and in various votes over the years. IDF is basically popular because of hamas squad tiktok lol.

[modern crater]

Have all been mentioned in the last poll OWI have realesed?

[modern crater]

https://x.com/JoinSquad/status/1796216980825079827?lang=en
Israel wasnt even mentioned there, so there isnt really a way to know

Squad (@JoinSquad)

Good morning Squad community! We've got another poll today from the dev team.

📊What faction would you like to see next?

X · May 30, 2024, 4:27 PM

btw it seems like Japan has a bit more demand than France, but Ig they went with France first since the mod is pretty much done

[modern crater]

And as mods they mightve been more popular since the IDF mod sucks

[upper summit]

No because OWI doesn't want to touch that conflict with a 20ft pole (understandable)

[modern crater]

Yeah fair enough I was assuming that it was the reason

[uncut vapor]

You answered your own question

[unborn crown]

i dont think anyone demanded a PMC-ified canadian militia faction

[uncut vapor]

And?

[unborn crown]

yet there exists a canadian militia faction

[uncut vapor]

So?

[unborn crown]

so clearly demand isnt the only factor

that decides what faction gets added

🤷

[uncut vapor]

Didn’t claim it was.

[unborn crown]

your claim was that the IDF would not be added because it has small demand
anyone can scroll up just a little bit and see what your argument was

[unborn crown]

right here

[uncut vapor]

Your statement is not an argument against what I said.

[unborn crown]

how is it not?

[uncut vapor]

That is not a claim that demand is the only factor.

[unborn crown]

there are plenty of factions in the game nobody demanded

[uncut vapor]

Please, I’m not going to hold your hand through this

[unborn crown]

regardless of whether or not demand is the only factor, it clearly doesnt play that much of a role in which faction gets added

[uncut vapor]

If you want to argue for the sake of arguing waste someone else’s time

[unborn crown]

i cant think of any of the recent factions like PLANMC or TLF having any high demand

or more recently the CRF

why would low demand put an IDF faction out of the possible factions to be added to the game

[uncut vapor]

And you’re a big fan of CRF I take it

[unborn crown]

shit faction

but thats not the point

[uncut vapor]

Yeah… so why the fuck are you wasting time arguing in favor of that

Please waste someone else’s time with this bad line of argumentation

[unborn crown]

the point is that demand has nothing to do with what gets added to the game and what doesnt

lol

if that was the case we wouldve had a german faction ages ago

[modern crater]

Exactly

[unborn crown]

and the representation argument doesnt really work either

because there really arent many irani squad players

i dont think there even is an irani squad server running

[modern crater]

Also he didnt define demand correctly

Even if it doesnt matter..

[modern crater]

Yeah but as you pointed out it doesnt matter and in general demand isnt estimated by the number of players of that country...

[unborn crown]

yup

[uncut vapor]

If I have to define demand for you this argument is worth none of our times and you would be better off consulting a dictionary

None of this contradicts or even addresses what I said, they are tangential to the argument

Demand and controversies are not the only factors of a faction being added to the game or not.

But neither are in favor for IDF, either.

Again, the whole point was to say that just because this thread has a number of upvotes does not mean that represents demand and instantly justifies its inclusion in Squad.

[modern crater]

Ah just forget it man if thats what you meant yeah I agree

[uncut vapor]

That’s what you and I were originally talking about, yes

I’m not just here to say fwick u no idf!!!1

[modern crater]

Yeah ofc I get that

[uncut vapor]

Ukraine happened to be highly requested which was a factor for why it did get included

[modern crater]

Tho I do not know why do think that

[uncut vapor]

I mean, comparatively, it’s a no brainer

Ukraine has a real playerbase, a big one at that

It’s simply no contest, you said it yourself, no Israeli servers

[modern crater]

But why does the playerbase matter?

[uncut vapor]

Because the devs (should) make things that their playerbase wants. I think this is a simple goal we agree on, no?

[modern crater]

why would it affect on whether the faction being added to the game or not

[uncut vapor]

If the playerbase wanted IDF on the same scale, they would be insane to deny it

[modern crater]

I mean you dont have to be an Israeli to want the IDF in the game...

[uncut vapor]

That’s not what I’m saying

The point is there are already a LOT of active Squad players in Ukraine that wanted self representation

[modern crater]

Then why do you think it doesnt? what does show this info?

[uncut vapor]

There is a built-in demand

[modern crater]

Yeah that I get

[uncut vapor]

Collaborating info. Not as if there is one survey to reference, though I would welcome one.

[modern crater]

Yeah I think they should make a new one

[uncut vapor]

17k Ukraine votes in poll, I understand IDF was not included but there was also not significant outcry for their omission

[modern crater]

That one was over a year and a half ago

[uncut vapor]

Sure, I wouldn’t have any issue with that. I just would not expect it to drive the same numbers tbh

[modern crater]

IDF Germany Japan and who else do you think

[modern crater]

I do not know why you think that way but sure ig youre free to do so...

[uncut vapor]

Just an estimation. I don’t think it’s wild to think there are both less players who deeply care about this representation, and to think there is a significant group that is uninterested or against their inclusion

Maybe they would still be the top faction in a poll, I don’t know. I just think it’s unlikely to be the same scale as Ukraine

[uncut vapor]

IRGC, South Korea, India, Brazil, Egypt. Africa and South American representation is lacking so that could be an interesting new territory to explore

I can’t say factions are my favorite content to begin with, but I think those would all be reasonable to poll interest on

[modern crater]

Hopefully being available on more than just 1 biome cause thats my problem with AFU rn...

[uncut vapor]

Yes. I think biomes were a very bad feature.

I get the intent, but in practice we already gravitate to those kind of realistic matchups for the most part but this means we can never ever try something out of the norm. Very silly, let us decide how we want to play.

[modern crater]

I dont know what I think about them I mean it doesnt make sense for INS to fight over goose bay...

[uncut vapor]

Sure, but if that's what people want, why should Offworld stop them?

We used to have USA vs CAF layers

[modern crater]

A looooong time ago lol

[uncut vapor]

Yea. My point being, they're fun even if not purely realistic

This is a fiction after all

[modern crater]

Yeah maybe youre right

[uncut vapor]

China can fight Russia in Canada right now

like

it's not even a perfectly realistic system as it is

but people don't want INS on Goose Bay, so we still... probably won't play that. Simple as

Wouldn't be the first example of Insurgents in Canada being an issue with people. The community can self-regulate

[modern crater]

So maybe shake it up a little cause I still think INS in a snowy map is too much...

[chrome mulch]

not a realistic game...

[uncut vapor]

If they want to provide some safety constraints to prevent things from getting too weird in OWI mapvoting, then like ok sure

but why can't I AdminChangeLayer Manicouagan_RAAS_v1 CAF USA

if thats what i want to play, it's not like those factions don't work there

[chrome mulch]

usa canada still exist tho

[uncut vapor]

it does not

it was removed with the mapvote/biomes/alliance update

7.2

[modern crater]

Only in comp😭

[uncut vapor]

only in mods, really. comp just modded it back in

[chrome mulch]

i want to play comp games but i just dont know where to start. do i just do a little troll. join every comp team imaginable so i always have a comp every week

[modern crater]

No Id say start with ccfns if yoy know what these are

[chrome mulch]

i always just saw comp games as being rare. i wonder how rare they are

[modern crater]

Then try out comp

[chrome mulch]

ccfns?

i already have been in comp games

[uncut vapor]

Seek out competitive communities in your region. I only really know of TT in NA, but I've heard Skira might have some of the better players in EU.

[modern crater]

Oh

[chrome mulch]

ok

[modern crater]

I mean how would I know....

[uncut vapor]

Look for the ability to join scrims with these teams. These are just community games still not comp, but they'll be how you refine your skill and get noticed by clans

[chrome mulch]

how would i know?

[modern crater]

Ah

[chrome mulch]

i am already in a clan tho. but i guess i dont mind joining another clan. nothing wrong with 2 clan gaming

[uncut vapor]

not all forms of more competitive squad require being part of a clan

TT scrims for example, but we are not a clan.

[chrome mulch]

do they have some process i must pass to join tho

we

ok when do you play

[uncut vapor]

depends on what tier you're getting in, but usually yes

[modern crater]

Sry lol I thought you were serious

[uncut vapor]

whenever matches are scheduled 😅

its tough getting 80 specific people all together for something

[chrome mulch]

dude you are confusing the fuck out of me. NO i dont know what ccfns are. literally you look drunk "oh and ah"

[chrome mulch]

so like night time america?

saturday?

[uncut vapor]

No, they're scheduled based on the teams availabilities, and not all teams are in america

TT is NA, and our matches can be any day of the week from morning to evening

[chrome mulch]

@modern craterאתה יכול לענות על השאלה בבקשה?

[uncut vapor]

if we are fighting an EU team, we will adjust accordingly to give the best time for both

[modern crater]

Ok sry
When you said youve been alrdy in comp games I thought you meant it seriously

[modern crater]

מה אתה רציני

[chrome mulch]

i was in comp games. WHAT THE FUCK ARE CCFNS CAN YOU ANSWER ALREADY

[uncut vapor]

😬

[modern crater]

כל שנייה אני בגוגל טראנסלייט כדי לא לצאת מובך לא היית יכול לכתוב בעברית מההתחלה

[chrome mulch]

אה אתה כישלון באנגלית אני מבין

[modern crater]

לא זוכר את הקיצור של ccfn

[chrome mulch]

בסדר זה לא בגללך, מערכת החינוך פשוט זבל בללמד אנגלית

[modern crater]

אבל כל ראשון משחק של קלאנים כל קלאן מביא 9 איש

[uncut vapor]

hey yall i know you're having a lover's quarrel

but this is an english discord

[modern crater]

50 על 50

[modern crater]

Ok fine

[chrome mulch]

when every day?

fuck

what time

16?

18?

[uncut vapor]

it's not a set schedule

it depends on who we are matching against

[modern crater]

I said every sunday

[chrome mulch]

i am asking the guy in my timezone

[uncut vapor]

o

[modern crater]

Now you look drunk

[chrome mulch]

when in sunday bro

[modern crater]

Where the fuck you live

[chrome mulch]

@uncut vaportactical triggenometry or whatever?

[chrome mulch]

palestine of course

[uncut vapor]

yes.

[modern crater]

So what is this questionnnn

Ok

First

[chrome mulch]

WHEN IN THE DAY THE SCRIM BRO

goddamn this education system

[modern crater]

Night

21

[chrome mulch]

oh

good

i can play that

"night"

alright.

i need to join a scrim team

[uncut vapor]

different communities will have different scrim times

[modern crater]

Clan clashes fight nights

[chrome mulch]

@uncut vaporare you aware of any eu scrim teams?

[modern crater]

Something

CCFN

[modern crater]

Just look it up

Tho how many hours do yoy have

[chrome mulch]

but he is a professional

[chrome mulch]

2400

[uncut vapor]

I mean, #1 is EnR. Though they play with us at TT as well.
I have heard Skira is a good EU server for those teams to play on though. I'm not totally sure as I haven't played there much myself.

There's another. Maybe 1stRB?

[modern crater]

Which clan are you at

[chrome mulch]

i am in 1strb. scrim team is long gone from what i remember.

[uncut vapor]

Yea, maybe not the clan itself but any of the sister groups

[modern crater]

And why didnt I see you even once in the squad IL dis server

[uncut vapor]

Watch for clans that play there regularly kind of thing

[chrome mulch]

we dont really have "sister groups" tho.

i mean 7th is very close id say

[uncut vapor]

You don't see any other clan tags on 1stRB?

[modern crater]

Youre in Ovads dis but not squad IL are you fr

[chrome mulch]

thats the same thing lmao

[uncut vapor]

hm?

[chrome mulch]

2ndrb 3rdrb 4thrb all the same thing

[uncut vapor]

no i mean

you don't see any players that have a tag other than the RB tags?

[chrome mulch]

i left. shit was dead as fuck

[modern crater]

When

[chrome mulch]

when i left

[uncut vapor]

I assume there are other clans that play on 1stRB. Some of them may be competitive.

[modern crater]

Even when it was alive I havent seen yoy at all

[chrome mulch]

idk

[modern crater]

Yeah

[uncut vapor]

You'll have to ask around in those communities is my point. Join their discords and ask around

[chrome mulch]

i dont really care about a clan that plays in 1strb. i mostly play on =B&B= and 7th

[modern crater]

1stRB are noobs

[uncut vapor]

If we're concerned about noobs, all 3 of those are.

[modern crater]

And why do you play there dont you have like 200 ping there

[modern crater]

Yeah I know

[uncut vapor]

But some of those noobs still scrim. 🤷‍♂️

[chrome mulch]

what else am i gonig to play some dumbass saudi arabian game with no one speaking engliss bro?

[modern crater]

Play in Royal battlion

[chrome mulch]

eh long queue

[uncut vapor]

If you're already playing B&B and 7th suffering ping, but you want to get into comp, just come join us.

[chrome mulch]

eh

[modern crater]

Bruhhh

[chrome mulch]

send me the invite brother

[modern crater]

Dont you have WL for 1stRB

[uncut vapor]

I mean come play on our server.

Join the discord

[modern crater]

Join RB get WL too whats the difference

[chrome mulch]

also i dont suffer from ping i am very used to 200 ms delay. i play fine with it. i just cant really drive the best. heli i am great at

[uncut vapor]

After a few hours showing you aren't completely incompetent, ask in the discord how to join scrim team

yeah I know ping isn't so bad in this game

EU players play on TT a lot

EnR plays here a lot of the time

[modern crater]

How do you win cqbs Id like to know

[chrome mulch]

enr i ehard of

[uncut vapor]

ya they are #1 rn

[chrome mulch]

i just use full auto ambush and prefire.

and i use my grenades

[modern crater]

Wait

[chrome mulch]

prefire isnt cheating its just hearing

[modern crater]

How many hours do you have on 1strb

Most of them?

[chrome mulch]

how the fuck do i know

[chrome mulch]

nah

[uncut vapor]

mysquadstats.com

tracks per server time

[modern crater]

So you just joined servers with low queue?

[modern crater]

And also when did you leave

[chrome mulch]

incredible

[uncut vapor]

whatever server(s) you play on most frequently must not have the plugin

[chrome mulch]

i dont fucking remember dude

[modern crater]

So you lied you have 4 hours

Im kidding

[modern crater]

Ok

[chrome mulch]

must be the most played servers that dont have this feature

[uncut vapor]

Some communities do the minimum 🤷‍♂️

[modern crater]

Come to dm

[chrome mulch]

ok

@uncut vaporare you gaming right now

[uncut vapor]

no

work

[chrome mulch]

eh id guess this will be more relevant after france

[lilac viper]

Wow, you can rack up so many votes in a year.
There's just one problem: everything listed above needs to be licensed. It's very expensive, and if the Israeli Ministry of Defense doesn't want to cooperate, this faction won't be in the game.

[left flax]

For the few assets that may require that, renaming is always an option (e.g. Solohun instead of Holosun). There are many ingame assets that use this method already.

[lilac viper]

The homogeneity of authenticity is violated. All other factions are real, but Israel is not.

[left flax]

?

[lilac viper]

Every weapon name, every visual resemblance to the original is a reason to get into trouble with the copyright holder if they did not consent to the use of the products in the game.

[left flax]

Models dont have to be altered.

This is why we can have Eotechs, ACOG etc. They just dont have Eotech written on them, but something else.

And I dont think you can copyright something like Namer or Merkava since those are generic words.

[lilac viper]

Still, in my opinion, this is walking on the edge. The combination of visual features can outweigh the absence of a small, barely noticeable detail.

[restive crow]

Then you must want the PMC removed

Cuz they have stuff like Wormpool

instead of magpool

and stuff liek that

[floral cradle]

he is grok agent sent to bait squad discord. i think we gotta let him be

[restive crow]

lol

[lilac viper]

The guy had an unsuccessful match, please be understanding.

[quasi sleet]

you would be surprised, i remember when wow cataclysm came out and blizzard threaten bunch of older games to change name because "copyright", because they had cataclysm in the title

[lilac viper]

It is precisely the abuse of copyright and querulousness that can become a source of problems when adding very similar, but formally free content; game studios are in a legal gray area when doing this.

[unborn crown]

all the other factions have renamed shit too though

all the SAR weapons in the turkish faction are named SOR

pmc faction has wormpool instead of magpul

and so on

[chrome mulch]

i mean csgo had idf. so it couldnt be too impossible

[lyric pendant]

I mean didn't Hummer lose to Activision Blizzard in licensing

You don't have to ask companies that manufacture military equipment to include them in the game, if you just purely use the designation

Its only when its the likeness and the product name

[chrome mulch]

i dont think the israeli ministry of defense would even give a shit anyway

they have alot more shit to worry about than video game copyright.

[lyric pendant]

Yeah committing a genocide is busy work

[violet panther]

GMC it was & it wasn't just Activision. Squad had to remove their hummers also when that occured.

[lyric pendant]

I do believe they won in the end right?

Obviously US vs CA copyright law differ

But I would assume a similar judgement

[violet panther]

In short GMC could still sue other games using it, weather the same ruling is made is depending on the judge.

[lyric pendant]

Oh ew

Yeah I see your point

See above point, think Israel is busy doing things

[chrome mulch]

so yeah it should be added

[restive crow]

lol

[reef lotus]

Any more stupid remarks, and this thread will be locked.

[restive crow]

was that directed at me? If so im sry.

[floral cradle]

no something else was deleted

[restive crow]

OH LOL

[late sequoia]

I thought they already were....lol shows how much Vanilla I play....

[restive crow]

Its not a bad idea, the weapons are different. The faction would be quite refreshing.

[late sequoia]

Are you saying owi got a "license" from CCP?

Or did they bc of tencent?

Genuinely curious...its interesting

[violet panther]

No, server licensing

[violet panther]

Let me re answer, I miss spoke, thought it was from another channel.

CCP has nothing to do with the licenses.
The licenses for such have to be granted via the owner of the copyrighted item.
This case GMC

This hummer item also happened years ago before tencent was even around.

[late sequoia]

I guess I was wondering about Israeli vics & their names

Screw gmc, good things mods dont "charge" for their "product"

[violet panther]

Mod creators still have to abide by copyright and can still be sued for usage.

But i can't speak per other vehicles and their manufacturers.

Take Disney for instance, they issue tons of Cease and Desists orders per year for people sounding or looking like disney assets.

[late sequoia]

Sure. I get it

[late sequoia]

I just dont think its a serious issue for a mod...

Could be something that would have to be considered for owi tho for sure...

The majority of me still just doesnt care. Tencent / ccp reps could care less for "copyright infringement" the way patents go in china...they're more of a quite person asking kindly not to copy....please

If money's involved with an update, I really wouldnt care...
No way every war game is licensing weapons or manufacture names for every variation of gun...

It would have to fall under the claim of widespread use

[violet panther]

Tencent doesn't own OWI

He bought a minority stake in the company. Not a controlling share.

So your claim they don't care, is false.
The company is based in Canada. And can get hit hard for infringement, causing not only other investors to loose money, but tencent also as a investor.