Israeli Ground Forces

[dry oxide]

maybe if GE wasnt full of battlefield players I would consider suggesting that

[restive crow]

are the battlefield players in the room with us

[dry oxide]

I havent had a good GE game

[elfin helm]

I use to play Battlefield from Bad Company 2 - Battlefield 4

[restive crow]

same ngl 😭😭

[cerulean fox]

i hate GE because it use only invasion

[hollow lotus]

I yearn for the matador

I yearn for the fat fuck APC

[minor tendon]

with enough willpower the BAF too can have the matador, and the fat fuck apc is already there with the Bulldog

[hollow lotus]

Never underestimate just how fat the namer really is compared to your human height bulldog

[elfin helm]

from what I read

The Namer has the same tank chassis they use for the Merkava

[hollow lotus]

It is
Merkava 4 chasis uses the merkava 3 engine (merkava 4 engine on the engineering corps namers)
Usually armed with a 60mm mortar (With both smoke and HE) and RCWS .50 altough prototypes for a 30mm cannon also exist

Some feature the Trophy system or the upgraded trophy system (Ruach 400)

Standard engine is 1200HP (Goes 54KM/H forward 23KM/H backwards) and 1500HP for the engineering one (64KM/H both forward and backward)
Can carry up to 12 troops (crewmen and fully equipped infantrymen) and one stretcher, or two stretchers and medical equipment on a Namerbulance MEDEVAC version.

Can also fit a battering ram, mine roller or excavator on the front end (for the engineering namer)

12 Smoke launchers mounted on the sides of the rear controlled by the driver

The namer CEV (the engineering corps namers) features a stronger 1500HP engine, Sturdier tracks and a larger storage space and is far bulkier in looks.

Very different from the infantry namer.

[hollow lotus]

Ima do this cus im bored
IDF FACTION IDEA VEHICLES AND EQUIPEMENT
VEHICLES:
HELI - UH-60 (Not so black) Blackhawk, CH-53
MBT 1 - Merkava Mk.4M
MBT 2 - Merkava Mk.4B (No trophy)
IFV (NONE)
APC 1 - Namer (infantry)
APC 2 - Namer (Engineers)
Light APC - M113
(APC type determined by unit)
Armored Car - Humvees, AIL Abir.
Truck - M35
(Iffy idea) Special vic - D9 Bulldozer (Makes all construction cheaper and faster when placed on fob)

INFANTRY:
Main rifle - CAR-15 [Attachments: Vertical Grip, m203, ACOG, Mepro 21)
Alt rifle - X95 [Attachements: same as CAR-15 and yes including m203]
Pistol - Jerhico 941
LMG - Negev NG-5 [Attachments: Mepro 21 and Assault grip for specialist LMG]
HMG - Negev NG-7 [Attachments: Mepro-21]
Marksman rifle - M4 Kala [Attachments: ACOG, Bipod]
Sniper rifle - IDF Modernized M24 SWS
LAT - M72 LAW
HAT - Matador
Grenade - M26

STATIONARIES:
ATGM - Spike (unlikely) TOW-2
HMG - M2
AGL - MK19
Mortar - Cardom SP

Commander strikes:
Airstrike - F-16I JDAM strike
Artillery - 155mm standard
UAV - IAI Eitan
(Possibly) IAI Harpy strike

NOTES:
The IDF uses mainly the CAR-15 as its standard issue only some soldiers receive the M4 rifle
The TAR-21 phased out of service in 2009 and squad is set in the 2010s
IDF crewman DO NOT use the X-95 despite it being smaller due to its higher pricetag compared to the CAR-15
The long M-16s are rarely used in active combat being mostly used by recruits and non combative units
The TOW was still being used by the IDF as far as 2015
Israel doesnt field any proper IFV despite several attempts at doing so by rafael but the namer has armor to make up for it and it would be identical in ticket price.
The Eitan is a rather new platform only entering service in 2023 and wont fit squads timeframe
The Negev NG7 is designated as GPMG and not LMG like the NG-5 it also removes the feature of using magazines and is heavier in design

I know OP made his own list but I just dont think its very good with all due respect.

[hollow lotus]

And there is no reason to add boats like in OPs list since the IDF only ever does maritime raids through Shayetet 13 and the IDF itself doesnt employ marine tactics nor does it have carriers or Amphibious assault ships to make it a sensible addition to marine maps.

IDF Unit types:
Shirion (Armored unit) - Armored unit
Gonali (Standard infantry) - Higher use of the X95 and mitznefet more Namer based
Tzanchanim (Paratroopers) - Higher use of CAR-15 more helis and less mitznefet
Engineers - Special vics such as Namer CEV and D9 weapons are misc
Rav memadit (Combined warfare unit) - Has a bit of everything pretty much they always cover faces and use a lot of light vics

And yes I know they dont change uniforms based on unit but I was giving examples for different uniforms of different units while also explaining the difference in vehicles they would have

IDF began using more tactical uniforms in recent years I believe the old more traditional uniforms are a better fit for squad and make the IDF more unique as a faction

[chrome mulch]

i think its a good thing to add this. but lets wait like 3 years

[unborn crown]

it would be cool if they had merkava IIIs as their secondary tank

only because they look cool as fuck

[chrome mulch]

they are basically the same thing as mark 4 without a less symmetrical turret bud

[unborn crown]

the mk4 turrets look so ugly

its like a ufo

[unborn crown]

i think they could have some older idf equipment

[chrome mulch]

id like to see tavor

[unborn crown]

like tar21 instead of x95

like a mid 2010s idf

[chrome mulch]

the game is based on 2012 - 2014

[unborn crown]

tar21s and merkava mk3s

[unborn crown]

https://tenor.com/view/meh-mediocre-so-so-kinda-maybe-gif-13031104854113737447

the turkish faction is roughly 2019-2020

theres no specific timeframe

[chrome mulch]

mark 4 has been around since 1999

[unborn crown]

for the game

[unborn crown]

yeah but they still deployed mk3s as late as 2014

they still have them too

[chrome mulch]

maybe they could add both but whatever.

the current political situation. id say wait it out

[unborn crown]

i think its fine

the war in gaza has died down for the most part

they got a ceasefire with hezbollah in lebanon

this is the time to do it

[chrome mulch]

man look at the emojis at the top

[unborn crown]

well the suggestion is pretty old

the climate around the topic was different then

[chrome mulch]

i know. it wouldve been great if it was added before. but now. id say wait

[minor tendon]

eh the topic of israel is still pretty controversial especially now, but the IDF would be an interesting faction to have in squad regardless

[unborn crown]

the topic of russia was pretty controversial when the vdv was added but owi didnt really catch much flak for that

squad's community isnt the type to sperg out about things like this

atleast i dont think it is

[dull turret]

didnt see many people calling it out on VDV release...

[chrome mulch]

ukraine is dead in the media space

sadly

[dull turret]

what do you mean? a political conflict is a political conflict and yes there was a lot of noise around the invasion overall

if a faction can get the community cool content i dont really see any reason to not push it

[chrome mulch]

man

i see people making hamas videos in squad in the global escalation mod

its much worse with israel palestine

[left flax]

So it would not change anything, except more content for vanilla players.

[unborn crown]

VDV was added all the way back in 2023

it was definitely controversial then but owi didnt catch any flak for it

[hollow lotus]

Like I said the TAR-21 was pushed out of service in 2009 which is before the 2010s

[hollow lotus]

Not even the mk3 is still in use in gaza today

[unborn crown]

really?

[hollow lotus]

Right after bucha

[unborn crown]

i thought the tar21 was in service for alot longer

are you sure tar21s werent fielded in gaza in 2014

[hollow lotus]

Yep

[hollow lotus]

No even the X95 is rare in gaza its mostly CAR-15s with paratroopers and SF using more M4s

No TAR-21 was even seen in gaza

[unborn crown]

huh, i knew they were deployed on the border with lebabon but i didnt know they had them in gaza

[hollow lotus]

Well they very much are

[dry oxide]

Mk 3 as a secondary tank and the Mk4 as a primary tank should be what they do

[unborn crown]

yeah

[hollow lotus]

Yeah I would agree but the mk3 kinda sucks a lot compared to the mk4 and you would have to pick a variant of the mk4 and mk3 of which there are many

Main 4 contenders are:
Mk.4B Mk.4M Mk.3C Mk.3D
But there is also Mk.4A Mk.4M2 Mk.4M (Ruach 400) Mk.4LIC Mk.3LIC Mk.3B Mk.3A

And I dont agree with adding the Mk.3 as that is mainly used today by reserve units due to their lack of training on the Mk.4s

And that has been the case for a while

[dry oxide]

It can probably be a secondary MBT

[left flax]

Most factions are based at the timeframe 2010-2020, the MK3 was probably more common at this period. Anyway no need to add two basically identical tanks to a faction.

[chrome mulch]

mk 4m no chance

trophy would be kinda op

[elfin helm]

I don't know how far this game will go

we're getting Anti-air missles

and probably Javelins and other rockets launchers that can lock onto things

[gusty juniper]

People saying the IDF isn't controversial; there's arguments just about the suggestion of adding the IDF

[dry oxide]

I mean yeah

But the Russian and US militaries are both in game

Both of those countries have lets just say an equally controversial military past

[modern anvil]

gotta leave this to modders probably

[bitter mauve]

LOL u want them to add bulldozers too?

[rigid axle]

yes

[gusty juniper]

Yeah but there’s claims of a genocide regarding the IDF
Russia and USA don’t have those direct claims

[dry oxide]

The US and Russia have committed genocides

[gusty juniper]

Sorry I should have worded it differently, but IDF is actively partaking

[dry oxide]

Thats true

[dry oxide]

And I dont think its anymore controversial than some of the factions we have in game

[rigid dock]

Some units may also have Eitan APCs, with or without trophy APS. Very well armored APC with a RWS machine gun on top, but no amphibious capability

[dry oxide]

Maybe an exclusivley motorized vehicle?

[elfin helm]

Is in service since 2023

too new

Designed in 2016

but didn't see service

[rigid dock]

doesnt matter, turkish pars isnt even in service. Game's setting is a fictional "what if"

in fact, I think the turkish Pars type vehicles we have in the game have been rejected completely irl

eitan makes sense

[elfin helm]

Yeah, IDK why we have them in the game to begin with... they suck in comparison to the ACV 25mm (in game)

[rigid dock]

their armor is paper. I think you can even pen the sides with an armor piercing 7.62x51.

[hollow lotus]

So is the VDV

[hollow lotus]

Not really going to fit with the squad timeframe

This whole thing really just depends on the timeframe they choose for the IDF

Turkey type of timeframe would see the eitan be used a more forrest green crye type uniform with tactical style (with such a rare use of miztnefet that you might as well put it only on the medic role or just the SL role) helmets and agilite type vests
Would also see the newer namer types probably and likely the newer Mk4s
M4s for most roles (attachments that fit the israeli doctrine)
Negev NG-5 and NG-7 (FN mags are only used by reserve units irl)
Tavors practically none existent

A more 2014 era would see the use of M113s for several roles
Mk3 merkavas
Olive green class B uniforms with the standard issue vest and orilite helmets as well as mixed but very frequent use of the miztnefet
Older more simple fits of the namer
CAR-15 rifles with the bipoded foregrip/vertical foregrip and common israeli use sights with bipoded M4s being reserved for a a second marksman role
Negev NG-5 and also the FN mag
TAR-21s for very few roles while X-95s are quite common but not as much as the CAR-15

Older CAR-15 kits

Newer M4/CAR-15 kits (including marksman rifle example)

The marksman rifle stayed pretty much the same

Here is just a layout of roles by weapons

Alternative rifle for both timeframes would be the micro X-95 but would be much more common in a 2014 style

Alternative for marksman and grenadier roles yes

Brakedown of the 2014 style uniform (boots are red for paratroopers mainly)

[modern seal]

Make sure 80% of kits have x95. Only riflemen or SL can have M4.

[faint drum]

The red boots and agilite knee pads are such drip

[hollow lotus]

💔

[rigid dock]

we're getting a tactical rabbi kit too, right?

[hollow lotus]

yes

[iron seal]

Archive this

[exotic linden]

Idf soon

[hollow lotus]

This has to come soon smh

[elfin helm]

Soon tm

[unique jetty]

here we go

I would hate t osee elite gamming got he way of west coast tactical

thousands of hours and one head shot tea mkill is a month ban

thatts terranical under anyones idea

wheres the appeal ban link lol

squad 2 is going t obe amazing lol

wheres this thousand hoyr team game one team kill appeal link lol

bahaha

when yuor alread y8 years the same at the end lol

terms ands conditions my ass lol

yuor at the end for being ing gay

the empathize on that lol

hits hard whe nyuor the closet closetted lefty server t othe west lol

bahahaha

didn't even sa yfyuck once lol

squad 2 is going t oblow yuor brains out lol

sucks t ohave to teach americans about freedom but it is what it is

sorry for the newbs i had atleas t12 pop ups i nthat conversation lol

hows that for feed back

i will leave discord open so yu ocan follow lol

squad 2 before gta 6 lol

actually a reality lol

[hollow lotus]

wth you talkin bout

[unique jetty]

ONE TEAM KILL BANNED FOR A MONTH LOL

ACTUAL FUCKING ASBELISTS

WHAT I KNOE THO

LO;

SQUAD 2 IS GOIMNG T OFUCK YUOR WORLD LOL

JUST LIKE BATTLEW FIELD 5 LOL'

THATS HOW GAY YOU ARE

i came here to wrn you lol

i came here to warn yuo not for vredibility lol

suck a dick

[cerulean fox]

"freedom"

freedom where women cant do anything

i ask you about women not about fake god

afghanistan

where women cant even paint

religion?

not islam?

[uncut vapor]

Those rights don’t change under bombing regimes. Progress isn’t going to occur in a modern ghetto.

You feign concern for these women while more of them are killed.

Yet another reason none of you goobers should be allowed within 500ft of either of these factions

[dry oxide]

Somehow we got to see the hoi4 tno edit image in real time

[hollow lotus]

Bro what is happening

[dry oxide]

Hellish machinations of stupidity

[mighty garnet]

Put this on Reddit pls

I wanna see people Go Bits

[dry oxide]

The latest IDF suggestion post devolved into two parties of bigoted stupidity

[hollow lotus]

I swear some people act like adding a faction in squad means you are buying new fighter jets for them irl

[dry oxide]

Its dumb

And we saw an example like this here

[elfin helm]

The 1st comment on here was nasty

[next lynx]

Yee thats called “Brain damage”

From all thise brain rot vides

[restive crow]

I hope trophy on tanks is funcional when the IDF faction is added

Would be quite fun being immune to tows and rockets

But it would be difficult to balance

[mighty garnet]

also being able to carry infantry and have a .50 cal as a coax lol

[restive crow]

merkava cant carry infantry

but namer on the other hand...

or eitan

would be very fun

[grim oyster]

Forgive me if I’m wrong but a coordinated attack from multiple angles can defeat Trophy, right?

[restive crow]

If it is within 1.5s from the same 160 degree hemisphere yes

It has one launcher at each side of the turret with around 200 degrees of coverage each

It also only has three charges per side

[hollow lotus]

Nothing to do with angles in fact if you fire it at 2 angles too different you could allow it to intercept using both interceptors
Youd have to time 2 rockets from the same side to fire within less than 3 seconds

[next lynx]

In other words RPG-30 when

[gray ginkgo]

I think this would be cool if they went for a historical take like fallujah instead of trying to portray modern conflict in this region. More like the 2006 lebanon war

(.. I know 2006 is still kind of modern, but...)

[chrome mulch]

i dont think trophy should be allowed but technically it would make merkava more unique to other tanks

[mighty garnet]

And too OP

prob

.50 cal Coax 😭🙏

[brave bobcat]

That would be a beast to have .50 cal coax

[thin yacht]

Shalom

[chrome mulch]

i mean it could be weak armor but with aps. so you need 2 people to shoot at the same time. its inaccurate but it makes it somewhat unique

obviously from the same direction 2 people

[dusty dragon]

We are dragging this topic

[hollow lotus]

Good its how it gets traction from devs

[hollow lotus]

Would be weak to kinetics and very bulky in size so maybe not?

[elfin helm]

Israeli armor would be really good.

Probably one of the best in the game, if not the best.

As I stated before, even their APC's are built from the same hulls as tanks.

So it's probably really strong.

OWI could do some "trophy" system thing... but I don't think that'll make or break the game

like when people make suggestions... give them the benefit of the doubt; that they want the game to be mostly fun and balanced.

[placid fox]

Add hamas to and have them unlimited rpg rockets

[umbral anvil]

fucking jews

just fix the game on first

[hollow lotus]

It can be balanced out simply with the fact the IDF does not have any IFVs and their armor is very big making it harder to hide easier to spot and hit
Would also lack kinetic protection

[hollow lotus]

If you halt developement of factions until all bugs are resolved the game will die out long before even 70% are fixed

Factions and content is what keeps the community interested and allows games to keep a healthy playercount
If only patches get released communities fade

[unborn crown]

owi could just avoid adding the Namer for the APC slot and instead add M113s and Eitans

they could add the Namers with the autocannons as IFVs

[left flax]

Not in service

[unborn crown]

neither are the CTAS or PARS

[brave bobcat]

Pars is the only one ingame rn, ctas is only available in Jensens

[mighty garnet]

Sprut

Is also more of a prototype still

[left flax]

CTAS is no longer ingame for this reason. This is no argument for a 30mm Namer anyway, it is one against the PARS

[unborn crown]

well i imagine squad factions are based in a universe where every project for indigenous vehicles and weaponry is successful

because the PARS is one of many examples of this

for example the PMT-76 in the turkish faction also hasn't seen any infantry use in real life. turkish machinegunners almost exclusively use the PKM

the sprut too

[brave bobcat]

Ah forgot about the sprut lmao

[dry oxide]

I mean them lacking an IFV would make them unique imo, just give the Merkavas a lot of HE to make it up

[thin yacht]

Israel IFV doesn't exists 💅

@dry oxide

[dry oxide]

Well again it's only a recent development

[tawny minnow]

The Hamas obliterator 9000

[brave bobcat]

Looks like a warrior bradley mix

Lol

[tawny minnow]

it’s a Bradley Cannon so yeah

And a merkava hull (I think)

[brave bobcat]

Wild

[tawny minnow]

Also means it’s really shit

Kinda no way to balance that tank hull with a auto cannon and self guided ATGMs

Would dog everything

[brave bobcat]

Fr, basically like adding the bmpt but bmpt would be more devastating

[tawny minnow]

BMPT isn’t that OP

Just a BMP2 Cannon without the ATGMs

[brave bobcat]

And a tank hull

[limber moon]

I want a triangle above their heads every time I aim at their heads then

[brave bobcat]

Bmpt that I saw had a t72 hull 4 atgms and 2 bmp2 autocannons

[limber moon]

tbf lets be real main problem is

[tawny minnow]

Yeah, its a tank hull so it has the same weaknesses it can’t engadge heavy armor

[limber moon]

I think squad is too lazy to add new vehicles or weapons

You saw it this update

we got some guns after a year wait

and some teams with nothing special

[tawny minnow]

Tbh the T-72A made me wet a lil that’s just me tho

[limber moon]

I need you to find a rope

Respectfully.

And Peacefully.

[tawny minnow]

Yap

[limber moon]

l ragebait

[thin yacht]

So why the devs dont want to add IDF?(

What is the main reason?

[brave bobcat]

I don't think they said they wouldn't

But I haven't been following it very close

[brave bobcat]

Those 4 tows say otherwise

[tawny minnow]

Political

[thin yacht]

But they add Iran lol

[brave bobcat]

You beat me to it

Lol

[tawny minnow]

Hmm I don’t notice that I’m blind

[limber moon]

too conflictual

especially recent times

[limber moon]

Iran has not bombed 50k civilians in 2 years and injured 200k

That is just facts

Iran is a good fraction to play against in desert maps and USA

[brave bobcat]

Ah crap now we're getting political

[limber moon]

Its not political

its common sense

Its too conflictual

To add IDF

Their best addon would be airforce

bomb everything in site

[tawny minnow]

It’s tanks would have an auto find local child function. It would be accurate just like real life.

[limber moon]

Yeah its just too conflictual

[tawny minnow]

Fr

[limber moon]

All this war has been them using their airforce

[tawny minnow]

It’s like saying let’s add PMC Wagner

[limber moon]

Wagner could be done but serves no purpose

we got a russia

[zealous schooner]

Iran supports Hamas, which made October 7 and October 7 is the reason for the beginning of that conflict

[limber moon]

I know your a unit 8200 agent

I aint getting into politics

[zealous schooner]

what country are you from?

[limber moon]

But oct 7 was not as bad

as what israe is doing

to gaza

Both are terrible

But IDF has done way worse

Its too conflitucal

[brave bobcat]

That's your opinion on the political situation

[tawny minnow]

October 7 was a Israeli intelligence failure also coincidentally all of Netanyahu‘s opponents in southern Israel all died during October 7

[limber moon]

Its facts based on casualities and loss of livelihood

[brave bobcat]

So you are indeed getting into Politics

[limber moon]

No, Im just stating the obvious

[tawny minnow]

Ong

[limber moon]

Fuck I cannot argue with you

your aobut me

is "GO ISRAEL"

You are bias.

[brave bobcat]

About politics lmao

[limber moon]

Dont start a rguement

Arguement

Im simply stating IDF is too conflictual to add

[zealous schooner]

Do you want to see pictures of them cutting up a pregnant woman on a TikTok stream and stepping on the fetus?

[brave bobcat]

I'm not stating my side lol

[limber moon]

Yes I'd like to see that

Since ik that isnt real

[tawny minnow]

“Слава IDF”🤓🧐

[brave bobcat]

Just that it's getting to much against the rule of no politics

[tawny minnow]

We are ALL getting banned

[limber moon]

Simply stating, IDF are conflictual and serve no purpose in the game as of now. Since there is nothing of importance

[brave bobcat]

Lol real

[limber moon]

I see why Iran was added since its middle eastern based maps and USA

yk cool cool

But tbf iran update was fuck all

They added barely anything

[brave bobcat]

They basically just gave it a new paint job

[tawny minnow]

The karar or what ever it was would have been a good MBT for them

[zealous schooner]

yes, but what does this have to do with it?
we are talking about the reason for not adding and not about the failure of intelligence

[limber moon]

Squad is too lazy

to add new vehicles

Straight up

Wraith ignore him

Anyway

Squad is too lazy to add equipment and vehicles, thats why also it wont add idf

since it has to add many new and nice looking vehicles

1 year just to add a updraged t 72

is a fucking shocker

[tawny minnow]

I just know that T72 is gonna get slapped on the Ukraine faction aswell sadly

[brave bobcat]

Yeah OWI is just wild with adding new things

[limber moon]

Its so wild it wont add it

[zealous schooner]

@limber moon What country are you from?

[tawny minnow]

They could give a T-84 but most likely not

[limber moon]

Simply zeb they will never add new vehicles

that take time

Ive seen amazing vehicles added BY MODS

alone by 2-3 guys

like leopard 2a7 and t90ms

And the geppard

[zealous schooner]

yeh

[limber moon]

My mothers syrian, my dads german jewish

Just for your sake

I dont see why that needs to be said

[brave bobcat]

Must find out everything about you

Lol

[limber moon]

Hes probably a mossad

So yeah

[thin yacht]

We need start a voting for add Israel

[zealous schooner]

I mean, imagine that your country was attacked and civilians were slaughtered while Grad capital was being fired at with missiles, how would the country you live in react? Would it ignore it?

[thin yacht]

Grad Stalitsa?

[limber moon]

see your just trying to be smart

not knowing you look stupid

[thin yacht]

Idk guys, u wanna say that Iran is peaceful liberal country?😊

[limber moon]

I never said that

I just stated facts.

[zealous schooner]

I too

[limber moon]

I do too*

[dry oxide]

oh no

[brave bobcat]

Bud's should just take it to dms before mods comes for you

[limber moon]

I dont know why you guys have to be so hard core for israel

Who cares

[zealous schooner]

this is not constructive but a personal attack, I'm trying to talk, and so where do you see my "stupidity"?

[limber moon]

I only stated facts

Have you guys ever been to israel even

Just asking

I see alot of talking and bias

[thin yacht]

So... how more technologically progressed country, whom have very strong relationship with USA can be less humanity then Islamic Iran?

[limber moon]

Seems so

[brave bobcat]

Lol all I've been saying is to stop the political discussion

[limber moon]

Im just stating the truth its not even political

I got no opinion about it and dont care about it

you cannot say just beacause I have a good relation with USA

[zealous schooner]

I am Russian and I support justice
Unlike everyone else who shouts at Israel, I read all the news and only then can I understand what, why, how and why something was done

[limber moon]

im a good country

the USa has bombed innocent people and countries

causing the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people

[thin yacht]

I just trying to say than we have no reason to ban IDF from adding to the game

[limber moon]

its too conflictual

[brave bobcat]

I mean this kinda is an opinion

[limber moon]

Dont you get it

[thin yacht]

Since they add Iran at least

[limber moon]

Iran makes sense and the iran they added

Has no special idealistic thing

[thin yacht]

What will be happen? The community won't play the game? We have frikin insurgents in the game

[limber moon]

Iran has simply not killed directly and publicy as Israel has done in 2 years, thats why it would be really wrong to add IDF

[limber moon]

No its not that

its the games image

Thats why insurgent teams dont exist

only a INSURGENT SINGULAR TEAM

Theres no IS or HAM or HEZB

For the same reason as no IDF

[thin yacht]

But we have Iran forces, why no stay it milita

[limber moon]

If you really want IDF, play global escalation mod

[limber moon]

Iran is different though, as I just said "Iran has simply not killed directly and publicy as Israel has done in 2 years, thats why it would be really wrong to add IDF"

[thin yacht]

Let's stop add new factions to the game👍 we have modes

[limber moon]

No

fractions are fine

but the countries you asking for

as mods for them

And the most popular mod in SQUAD. HAS A IDF

and HEZB

and HAM

So play that mod

[brave bobcat]

I'm reality what's happening in the outside world should not effect adding it to the game

[limber moon]

But its a global company

thats why they cant

[brave bobcat]

Even if it is shitty

[limber moon]

Its the image

Theres many reasons

[brave bobcat]

Lol what image I just see people constantly crapping on squad and the devs

[limber moon]

But still you guys refuse to answer my question, have you even been to israel. Apart from the main cities if you go towards the west bank or gaza, lebanon you will see the lies

you will see how they actually run things

Thats why I am not living there

Its just facts.

Quarter of the people are radicals and wish the annilation of arabs and muslims

half stands idle not caring who dies

quarter says we dont want war but lives in a illegal country

And some wish the killings of all religions in their country

[brave bobcat]

HOW IS THAT NOT POLITICAL

[zealous schooner]

okay even so, according to Hamas there are about 40k dead in Gaza and according to Israel 20k terrorists were eliminated, simple math can be used to understand that the ratio is 1/2 for every terrorist to 2 civilians, this is provided that you believe both but you are not looking at the political side and at the facts, so you should believe both sides, compare these statistics with other wars, what is the ratio of dead civilians to dead soldiers, Israel has the best statistics, this is all provided that Israel always gives instructions on where to evacuate from military operations, and the tactics of bombing is the basis during the capture of densely populated areas because otherwise there will be colossal losses and then everything will be meaningless

[limber moon]

That is now political

[thin yacht]

Israel is recognized state, which is an ally of the already added USA to the game, the USA and Israel recently conducted joint military operations, and everything you are talking about was done with American weapons. To prohibit the addition of the army of any of the recognized states is discrimination

[limber moon]

NO

I AINT TALKING ABOUT GAZA

NOW

Im talkinga bout facts

Im just now talkinga bout the country overhaul

the people there

How they run things

You cannot say Im wrong since ive been there

and was there for quite some time

I have more of a opinion then you guys

Haifa was nice and all yeah. But it was just us living in a place that was not ours. Its like the US its a fine country but in the background its wrong

Anyway I wont stay in this discord, I came here to argue the update and my pc cannot run the game

[zealous schooner]

everyone has the right to their own opinion, for this there are constructive conversations to talk and come to something in common

[limber moon]

So I wish you goodbye

[limber moon]

But you havent been there or lived there, or know the people

You dont know how the IDF is teached

and run

You dont know how you are teached in school

[thin yacht]

Ok, u mayt don't like Israel, but isn't a reason for ban it

[limber moon]

I cant win with you guys so simply I wish someday you find out yourselves

[limber moon]

Anyway, cya

[zealous schooner]

I understand you so well, my video card burned out and now my old one can't handle the game(

[brave bobcat]

Rip

[thin yacht]

We have games about ww2, where is frikin nazis factions, is it ok?

He left

[brave bobcat]

That's what I thought about

[tawny minnow]

He said he would

[brave bobcat]

Wild

[thin yacht]

And? No body hearts, what's the problem of this kind disscouses? Adding Israel just will add some hype for the game

[brave bobcat]

Yeah it's not like it would harm anything

[thin yacht]

But... they adding clone-factions!

I don't have a problem with Ukraine, but it's just mix of Russian and nato weapons

Why not Germany or israel again

It will be so more interest

[brave bobcat]

Yeah just adding more factions would be nice

More maps etc

[zealous schooner]

I think they are just too lazy to draw and model new vehicles and weapons

[brave bobcat]

Blufor vs blufor added back would be great IMO

[zealous schooner]

Israel may have 100% unique transport and weapons except helicopters

[brave bobcat]

Except for things like marines vs US and VDV vs Russia

Yeah

[thin yacht]

We had Wagner pmc against Russia in real live haha

[brave bobcat]

Lol

[zealous schooner]

haha

[thin yacht]

Guys what do u think about open Google doc for Israel forces?

Like all the balance and kits there

[tawny minnow]

They also have their own domestically developed weapons also it’s 2021 Ukraine so no nato weapons

[thin yacht]

A very little count

It's like modified ussr weapons and vehicles

Not really something exotic and interesting like merkava with active protection system

[tawny minnow]

Still they exist

[mighty garnet]

Even if so, it’s still gonna be unique

[thin yacht]

Or a huge number of unic idf drones

[mighty garnet]

More unique then Iran

[tawny minnow]

Even if they were to add them, merkava, they wouldn’t model the APS

[thin yacht]

Not that unique as Germany, France or IDF

[thin yacht]

Why?( i think they can balance it

Like less amount of tanks, or hp for each tank

[mighty garnet]

Well obv.

But still a cool faction

[thin yacht]

Or huge chance for the APS to failure

They really can balance it

[mighty garnet]

It’s more unique then Iran

[thin yacht]

Better then nothing

[mighty garnet]

Iran just Straight up sucks

[thin yacht]

Better then Canadian PMC

[tawny minnow]

No you can’t at this point add thermal sights

[mighty garnet]

Infantry kits are just so Bad

[tawny minnow]

Or automatic target tracking

[thin yacht]

I talking about active protection

Not about thermal sighs

[thin yacht]

Yea, but all of this is really unbalance futures

But active protection have so much ways to balance itself

[tawny minnow]

That’s the point same with APS

[thin yacht]

Maybe

[tawny minnow]

Israeli a APS have a very low failure rate

[thin yacht]

I got ur point of view

U right in some things. But the game need some new cool mechanics

Don't just new uniforms

And clone-vehicles

[tawny minnow]

Manual gears and neutral steering for tanks that have them

[thin yacht]

XD

I so want them to model the tanks inner place

Like, yea it's will take a while, but it will be so cool

Like in arma3 vanilla

@tawny minnow have a good night

[left flax]

Even if you take the most pro Hamas numbers and completely ignore that they are fake, the ratio between civilian and terrorist deaths are average for a conflict in a densely populated urban area. When taking into consideration that this area is also locked down and people cannot flee, Hamas is using the own population as human shield, posing as aid workers and medics and turned many public buildings like schools or hospitals into military infrastructure, then the ratio is already quite impressive. And disregarding the ratio, based on the international humanitarian law, Hamas is responsible for most of the deaths anyway, not Israel.

[serene radish]

Well well well

[reef lotus]

New weapons and vehicles are coming with the next major faction, AFU

[elfin helm]

okay

let's simmer down

this isn't about politics

this is just purely about the game, end of story

[brave bobcat]

IMPOSSIBLE!

Must talk about politics

Can't not

[hollow lotus]

Never went into service
(weirdly enough since they made a lot of sense to do so)

[hollow lotus]

Would be if used
It would actually be the perfect vehicle for gaza but the IDF couldnt fit it into their units from what I heard

[hollow lotus]

Iran was added purely for the namesake they didnt change shit to actually make it iran

[hollow lotus]

Russia has been doing it for 3 years and yet the VDV was added just fine

[hollow lotus]

Fair point ill even add onto that the fact that despite israeli warnings gazans either refused or were blocked by militants from evacuating areas like gaza city.
And in lebanon where hezbollah allowed evacuations and hezbollah reported their own casualities the ratio of militant to civilian death was so overwhelmingly militant its unheard of even in conventional warfare.

I hardly think this can be compared to a nazi germany sort of issue where you cant add them to a damn video game (despite nazi germany being in a lot of video games lol)

[hollow lotus]

Yeah IDF would be added in their 2014 era kits not modern day 2023 kits as those would be too ahead of most infantry kits that are based on 2010s and also would be less unique.

IDF troops today are commonly seen with no mitznefet and using tactical uniforms and plate carriers rather that the classic IDF uniform with the standard vest for infantry
Also uses High cuts and M4s with EOtech/Mepro + Magnifier kits which make no sense for vanilla squad

I think IDF of 2014 makes more sense with Merkava 4Bs and Merkava 3s as Secondary tanks with Namers and M113s both in use and the kits being unique with mitznefet and classic olive green uniforms CAR-15s and Tavors etc

Both of these are infantry just for visualization

[brave bobcat]

He is the ultimate Gooner

[hollow lotus]

I am

[mighty garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-borgor-burger-gif-2482056962553375541

[brave bobcat]

Wild

[serene radish]

israel did 9/11

[median agate]

Can we get a 9/11 map with IDF vs Canadian resistance?

Thanks in advance

[reef lotus]

Stop with the edgelordery, thanks.

[brave bobcat]

Must be edgy

[spring turtle]

Yes it is destroyed by Tandem Rocket they will not add this nonsense🤣

[brave bobcat]

I don't think so, videos of the merkava getting hit by a tandem rocket and not getting disabled nor destroyed is very common most they get is a mobility kill

But then again most of the hits I've seen were hit frontally

[left flax]

90% of hamas propaganda clips cut away after the warhead explodes without showing the effect in target. I wounder why that is?

[mighty garnet]

Fr

[spring turtle]

You are right

[elfin helm]

Those are M113 APC's

[brave bobcat]

Not the clips I've seen

[unborn crown]

in some of them they show the tanks and apcs being towed away

they do disable them sometimes

i dont think theyve destroyed many merkavas though

only 2-3 confirmed

one in israel on oct 7th and another in gaza

im sure there was a 3rd one but i cant find it

[silk wraith]

Missiles in Turkey was the reason we had a Cuban missile crisis to begin with.. It was also the reason Turkey got into NATO location location location..

[restive crow]

APS was not on

on most of the ones that got hit.

[brave bobcat]

Exactly

[hollow lotus]

Yeah that only proves disabling not destruction and that can be done very easily relatively
The only 2 confirmed kills I saw were from massive IEDs rather than RPGs

IEDs are the most reliable way to make anything on the ground stop being there so theres not much science to it

[unborn crown]

one was from a supermassive IED but the other was from RPGs and drone dropped munitions

on oct 7th

[hollow lotus]

Yeah on oct 7th itself there were 3 tanks seen damaged but they were actually recovered

The one in that left picture is an engine fire and it didnt reach the crew compartment so the tank was salvaged

Although obviously was an expensive and long repair

[unborn crown]

probably

and in gaza its either one or two merkavas

the overwhelming majority of the destroyed vehicles are humvees and m113s

[hollow lotus]

2 that ive seen

1 is likely an IED

The second is identified to be an IED

The rest is just clips of RPGs being shot without outcomes

[hollow lotus]

M113s arent actually used as APCs lol

They are used as suicide drones
Pretty much the IDF packs them with bombs to blow up buildings

Safe to see those losses arent unforseen

[unborn crown]

zovtech

russia does that with t-54s too

[hollow lotus]

(Or for logistics but thats not frontline use)

[hollow lotus]

Probably cheaper than proper scrapping

[unborn crown]

yup

[hollow lotus]

Hopefully wont see the light of squad

[zinc garnet]

hell no

[hollow lotus]

Imagine the M113 of doom approaching your position with the speed of a snail

[zinc garnet]

israel has a very boring loadout

also

[hollow lotus]

I disagree

[zinc garnet]

u would have to add hamas

[hollow lotus]

No lmao why would you have to add hamas

[zinc garnet]

for the larp

israel vs china wouldnt be as tuff

[hollow lotus]

Larp is for mods

[zinc garnet]

no

[hollow lotus]

They added iran...

[zinc garnet]

mods are gay

[zinc garnet]

tonesleepin

not enoug

also

[hollow lotus]

Insurgents?

[zinc garnet]

the squad community is very anti semetic

[hollow lotus]

Lmao not really

[zinc garnet]

if none of you guys have noticed

[zinc garnet]

You gotta tkae the initiaive

ask what the squad thinks of jews

all of them are anti semetic

but i gotta say

the negev is kinda fun

[hollow lotus]

Theres a lot of israelis on squad including IDF soldiers and it doesnt even matter lmao most dont give enough of a shit

[zinc garnet]

israel is the same as america

no need for it

i want to see the german Bundeswehr

[hollow lotus]

Negev would be cool would also be cool to have a new bullpup that isnt chinese and ugly as hell

[zinc garnet]

it would be Fire

[zinc garnet]

israeli guns are ugly asf

[hollow lotus]

Infantry equipement if done right would be very different from the US loadouts

[zinc garnet]

im not trynna hate but like

looks like some shit out of a sky fi movie

[hollow lotus]

nah you hating for no reason Fire SBRs

[zinc garnet]

me personally

im a fudd

i like me a good winchester

I dont see anything special on that

this is just so much sexier

[hollow lotus]

This isnt a rifle for an army this is

[zinc garnet]

the winchester was used by US rangers in 1894

clearly is a army gun

and if you dont like old guns

theres always the HK416

G36

M16

[zinc garnet]

but this is just so ass

[hollow lotus]

Well for squad they would have older rifles like the Colt rifles with israeli Mepros and grips

[zinc garnet]

Also 5.56 isnt gonna kill anyone

zuddy

[hollow lotus]

The arab 5.56 is mainly used by police not the army itself

arad*

[zinc garnet]

eh, IDF is js a boring idea

only reason they are relevant is

bc they wanna take over like 1 third of the middle east

[hollow lotus]

There is also a 7.62 version

[zinc garnet]

Did you take that 2nd pic

[hollow lotus]

How lol
Most unique vehicles if the devs choose the right ones and loadouts that are unique in that theyre not super modern but also not insurgent style

[hollow lotus]

No lol

[zinc garnet]

tell me how IDF would be fun for squad

[hollow lotus]

Took this one

[hollow lotus]

Mobile tanks with good infantry protection but bad armor against tanks
Negev
A good sniper kit which is rare
Mix of really heavy and really light APCs
Unique uniform which makes target ID easier
Bipod grips and mepros
Larp
matador
I could go on and on
But honestly just depends on how Offworld would add it

[zinc garnet]

1: all factions have this almost all exept for hte insurgents
2: not a good point, Its also overrated, Theres far superior LMGs that are already in the game
3: No, Squad already has amazing sniper kits. If you cant get kills you just arent a good sniper
4: all factions ahve this btw
5: not unique at all, its just olive drab.
6: literally all factions have this bro
6: "larp" no one wants to larp as IDF bro
7: what does this even mean

[hollow lotus]

1: No they dont literally no nation in squad has a tank anywhere close to the merkavas design
(64km/h reverse, nearly 360 armor protection, Coaxial .50 etc)
2: The negev point isnt about the fact its OP its about the fact its different to the M249s and russian LMGs that every other faction uses
3: Most factions dont even have a sniper kit wtf are you on about
4: Not at all factions usually have a wheeled APC and an IFV the IDF doesnt have an IFV but instead a heavily armored APC
5: No lol literally uses homemade everything if you go for the 2014 look and has features like the mitznefet which are unique to the IDF
6: Again youre wrong as literally no faction in vanilla squad has bipod grips they just have bipods and grips not specifically a bipod grip (usually called a d**do by soldiers)
7: People do and its why GE has so many servers with IDF on constantly
8: Matador is an Israeli-German AT launcher which would be something to differ from Laws and RPGs

Very few IDF items would actually be from other factions

not even the pistols

Heavy MG maybe for FN mag

[zinc garnet]

literally almost every faction has a sniper kit

[hollow lotus]

marksman and sniper kits are not the same

[zinc garnet]

did i say that?

eh say what u want

i stand my ground

israel would be boring

+everyone in squad is anti semetic

[hollow lotus]

Only you and the people you play with I fear

Not my experience or anyone I saw

[zinc garnet]

start the initiate

ask people in ur squad

"what do ya think of jews?"

[elfin helm]

@hollow lotus don't feed the trolls

[unborn crown]

itd be cool if we got like

2012-2014 era idf

with the mitznefets and the bright olive green uniforms and shit

they used to have crazy drip back in the day

and also i just think it'd be cool to see some merkava 3s in the game

[restive crow]

stop labelling people lol

[zinc garnet]

stating facts

Live with it or don't

[unborn crown]

most important part of idf faction

spike atgm

i need it

[faint drum]

Idf would be unique, they actually make most of there equipment which already puts them above 99% of other armys

[unborn crown]

yup

the only equipment they share with other factions is like

humvees and M4s

[left flax]

Not even m4s when they get travor as primary rifle.

[cerulean fox]

well well well

[faint drum]

All gamers are antisemitic

[zinc garnet]

Shalom I'd like to apply for a loan

[thick harbor]

they switched to m4s

[left flax]

That does not matter for the ingame faction tho.

[silk wraith]

Thats fairly accurate

[silk wraith]

Perfect exampl;e

[mighty garnet]

Hamas would have way better Equipment. I agree

[zinc garnet]

Enough of this Jewish propaganda

Pls stop pinging me guys

[mighty garnet]

[mighty garnet]

??

[zinc garnet]

The Mossad agents working for Israel

Are truly behind all of this

[mighty garnet]

Yes

Damn mossad

[mighty garnet]

Also it can Carry infantry

[zinc garnet]

Also idf Is bad because I'm based and anti semetic

So is everyone in squad

[mighty garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/starwhocouldfly-rigby-cat-rigby-silly-cat-stupid-cat-gif-15385366713072989704

Sure. You Little Sigma Alpha kid

[dry oxide]

<@&101483014839611392> things are getting out of hand

[violet panther]

Thanks his been timedout for a week.

[mighty garnet]

Where he Belongs 🙏

At some Point this Suggestion is just Rage bait to a few ppl lol

[violet panther]

It's on my follow list now, so will remain monitored

[hollow lotus]

Thats a myth
The merkava can only carry 4 infantry (in strechers not seats) if you remove the ammunition from it

[mighty garnet]

Would be a cool gameplay feature tho

[elfin helm]

The 1st comment for this suggestion was something bad... but you can't let weird people like that dictate suggestions or the direction of the game... I genuinely want to see Israeli Ground Forces as a playable faction on Middle Eastern maps for this game

[frosty saddle]

tbh I think OWI wont add it cause of all the controversy surrounding it as of now but possibly in the future

[left flax]

Hardly an argument when russia is ingame.

[frosty saddle]

also it could be because the roadmap is already set

theyre currently working on france and then ukraine next so idf would be pretty far away

considering most factions would need a revamp by then

[restive crow]

Russia is the firsst country that comes to mind

You are lost bro

Turkey is the most controversial faction added but nobody cares.

It doesnt matter

add isreal

they are a cool nation with cool equipment

something new

[mighty garnet]

They are adding Ukraine

Not that Ukraine is controversial. But more or less that we are then able to play a current war

[mighty garnet]

Fr

[mighty garnet]

How?

[restive crow]

Turkey illegally invaded and currently occupies Cyprus

You can just look up tensions between Greece and turkey

They have dogfights every day the fighter jets

Turkey and Syria

Just look it up

[dry oxide]

Arming Azerbaijan is also a pretty controversial

[minor tendon]

you'd be surprised by what the us and russia have done the past few decades

[restive crow]

I know what they have done, but its mostly due to each of them provoking each other.

[dry oxide]

I see what you're getting at

But there's no Denying that Israel isn't controversial

[restive crow]

Yeah but who cares they need the players anyways and doing something controversial is good for attention

[minor tendon]

provoking each other is one hell of a way to downplay it, regardless turkey is far less controversial than israel (and of course the us and russia) for very obvious reasons but i digress, if the devs think its a good idea to add an IDF faction then more power to them

[daring glade]

Add Israel to squad

[left flax]

Why are you tagging me?

[peak dawn]

my honest reaction to this suggestion

https://tenor.com/view/jews-money-money-gif-4080273796982271508

[restive crow]

Because i am responding to you

[left flax]

Yeah and then you say the same?

[restive crow]

I didn't read the messages right after

Bro cannot read lol

[left flax]

ah ok, it looked like you tagged the wrong person

[restive crow]

no i tagged the right person

I am saying that russia isnt that controversial

and that turkey is much more

but at this point the convo is done

it doesnt matter

[unborn crown]

it would be a cool gameplay feature to let all tanks carry infantry on top

let us tank desant please owi 🙏

[chrome mulch]

russia should be

[zinc garnet]

idf wouldn't be cool

And there's a mod that includes idf already

[unborn crown]

yeah but global escalation is shit from a dog's ass

its like MEE but significantly worse

[zinc garnet]

I have played as idf on global escalation and I must say it was extremely advanced

You're just a hater

[unborn crown]

no offense GE player models have ps2 graphics

[brave bobcat]

Yeah... Ge is not a good representative for how IDF would be in squad

[zinc garnet]

Idf is not it man

Boring idea

They have olive drab

And boring guns

I wanna see Germany in squad

Flecktarn would be so cool

[brave bobcat]

Lol, the majority says otherwise

[zinc garnet]

only 200 people

out of

many thousands

[brave bobcat]

Getting 200 people to like the post in the feedback suggestions is harder than you think

Most don't even look at the suggestions channel

Or are active in this discord

[zinc garnet]

this post has 1700 messages

this point is like old as fuck

only reason why it has this many votes

[brave bobcat]

Lol it being brought up time after time only proves how much people want this in game

And it was proven that it would not be boring...

Just cope

[dry oxide]

Look dude.

I don't like the VDV, they're a bunch of war criminals and are partaking in Russias Genocidal Invasion of Ukraine. But it's undeniable that the VDV has unique gear and has added something to the game.

Same goes for the IDF, they're a bunch of monsters who are participating in a genocide. The thing with the IDF though is that they have their own unique gear and vehicles and would add something to the game.

[zinc garnet]

eh, i find IDF guns ugly

not even from a politcal point

theyre just not it

same with their camo

it just aint it

[dry oxide]

Who cares

[zinc garnet]

literally

everyone

[dry oxide]

It really seems like it's just you

[brave bobcat]

^

[dry oxide]

And heres another thing that I think needs to be brought up here, a country being in game doesnt mean the devs support said country

Crazy I know

[cinder saffron]

hate to be that guy but i think the TAR21 and X95 are really cool

[elfin helm]

I think it's pretty cool

and I think 200+ people here think it's cool too

[unborn crown]

pretty much all of their equipment would be original additions to the game

the only repetitive additions would be the blackhawk, the humvee and the M4s

but most of the kits would have X95s regardless

[zinc garnet]

its original but so what

the guns look like shit bro

[unborn crown]

would you rather have another russia reskin lol

[zinc garnet]

i wanna see germany

flecktarn

hk416

new helicopters

[unborn crown]

germany will be added

[zinc garnet]

source?

pls lord let this shit be true

[unborn crown]

only a matter of time before it is

same for france

[zinc garnet]

yk anything abt poland?

[unborn crown]

why the fuck would they add poland

[zinc garnet]

sorry for asking bro 💔

[dry oxide]

"I DONT WANT M4 RESKINS"

"Give us Germany with the HK416 instead of the G36"

[dry oxide]

Okay no one cares that you think the guns look bad'

[faint drum]

probably gonna add the Bundeswehr mod when its done

[tired scaffold]

They have a respectable domestic military industrial complex. They're one of the few European nations that has actually adopted a domestically designed and manufactured rifle for standard issue; the FB Radom Grot.

Most players are infantry, so the standard issue rifle is actually the primary asset of a faction. Hopefully the French faction is going to feature the FAMAS F1 first and foremost and the HK416F as a SL exclusive weapon or perhaps regulated to a certain sub-faction.

Thankfully @mystic aurora's Bundeswehr Mod is focusing on the G36A3 and not the boring 416, I am not sure if any version of the 416 will even be included in the mod, maybe he can answer.

This is one of the reasons an IDF faction would go great in the game, a good arsenal of indigenous, domestically designed and manufactured small arms. The fact that they have many unique vehicles in addition just makes the factions inclusion more logical.

The Polish Grot for those who were wondering

[unborn crown]

i think poland might be a fair addition to the game somewhere down the line but right now i think they need to focus on factions whose equipment is almost entirely indigenous

like france or the IDF

theres already way too many factions that use the exact same shit

[tired scaffold]

I agree. The remaining ones are France (which is confirmed), Germany, Japan, South Korea, and Israel.

[zinc garnet]

Germany is switching over to the HK

[zinc garnet]

Also why r u so mad lmao

Calm tf down

[mighty garnet]

No

[mighty garnet]

It’s Not unique

Germany will also abandon Flecktarn

[zinc garnet]

They are getting a multi tarn

And the HK is amazing wym

Also a new helicopter

New tanks

New cars

New everything bro

[mighty garnet]

You should accept that your a minority in this thread. Most of us like the guns. Just Look at the upvotes lol

[mighty garnet]

Then Play the US faction on a German server

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1317430124366270556/1317504723795836938/togif.gif

I don’t get ppl like you

[zinc garnet]

How the fuck is that gonna add anything new to the game

I don't care about the language or anything dipshit

We all want new gear

But the idf is the most boring army you could ever add

Olive drab

Ugly ass guns

Same vehicles as America

Only new addition are the rifles

Germany would bring vehicles camo weapons etc

Y'all are just unoriginal bums who can't think for themself

And when one person thinks to differ you get mad

[mighty garnet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/935989994735169546/1153812682231783464/chat_pisse.gif

OMG

no

Your actually just stupid

[dry oxide]

The g36 would actually be a unique gun to the game, we already have the hk416 in game and it has the same stats and animations as the m4

[zinc garnet]

why do yall only care abt riflemen kits

like think outside of the box

you guys are slaves to the systems

[dry oxide]

Oh my god lol you're the one crying about rifles and shit

So no shit Sherlock that convo has devolved into a rifle discussion

You're the one saying that Germany should be added cause of the HK416 among other things

When we essentially have the hk416 in game and it really isn't any different than the m4

[left flax]

HK416 wont play a role for frontline units for years from now probably, it would not even make sense to add this to them.

[dry oxide]

That too

Idk this person has been absolutely mucking this chat up with the worst takes imaginable

[median agate]

Are we serious rn?

[elfin helm]

Can you guys plz not feed the troll... thank you

[mystic aurora]

Just the G28E2 DMR (417 Derivate)

[dry oxide]

I have a polish faction thingy right here

[chrome mulch]

this is idf not poland...

now that the war is concluded i personally think its fine to add the idf in about 6 months time.

[chrome mulch]

literally a faction which has only unique vehicles weapons and you say nuh uh

apart from at-4 and law i guess. hat kit being a spike is dangerously op so who knows

[chrome mulch]

made me laugh

[chrome mulch]

it seems like you are politically motivated to not add the idf not because its a bad addition. 200 people disagree with you which is a fact.

[zinc garnet]

I feel like we should add Mongolian army

They have very different guns sir

Cool addition zaar

[dry oxide]

Bros having a meltdown

[zinc garnet]

Yeah I'm crying rn

Boutta kms too

[frosty saddle]

tbh i think idf will have to come out in at least end of next year

cause theyve already set the road map and are working on france and ukraine factions rn +tc overhaul

and dont forgot bug fixes along that time so i dont think you can expect idf pretty soon

but yeah has a bunch of cool stuff unlike the ukraine faction which is prob just gonna be mainly re used assets

[chrome mulch]

france mod already looks finished they can add that shit tomorrow honestly.

ukraine if its 2012 is basically militia but slightly more modern. ukraine 2025 i can get behind but thats not going to happen.

and i think squad should move to 2025 but they arent going to do that any time soon i dont think. i heard its like every 6 years or some shit. dont know.

[left flax]

Mods are usually not optimized or balanced for the base game, and the mod must be ported to ue5 as well.

[reef lotus]

France is a confirmed official faction coming at a later date. Ukraine is focused around 2021 - 2022, and is shaping up really nice, with some unique things. I think most will be surprised.

[chrome mulch]

2021 2022 is still kinda boring but better i guess

[reef lotus]

I can tell you now, it's not that boring, has a lot of new things coming with it. Should be hearing something more on it, soon™

[frosty saddle]

tbh if there isnt a bug for every single thing w the faction ill be happy

ue5s rly lowered my expectations cause of the bugs

[dry oxide]

Thats when Ukraine had alot more domestic equipment in service

[elfin helm]

I hope they add the French Forces when they still used the FAMAS instead of the newer M416

[chrome mulch]

how likely do you think it is israel gets added

[reef lotus]

Any faction is possible, that isn't a named real world terrorist or paramilitary organization.

[chrome mulch]

i mean that specifically doesnt answer my question but sure.

[reef lotus]

It's as likely to be added, as any other conventional nation. Ukraine and France were the most requested over the years, hence their selection. Israel is a possibility on that front, due to being a well requested faction.

[chrome mulch]

any other conventional faction is like saying israel is as likely to be added as bolivia

[left flax]

I guess what he wants to say is that there is no internal policy at OWI that excludes IDF as a faction for whatever reason.

[reef lotus]

It was more so a generalization, even though Bolivia would make an interesting faction lol
The main things that are looked for when it comes to factions(in no particular order), is biome diversity, equipment/kit variety, community popularity, and compatibility with internal design goals(if Y faction falls inline with X planned mechanic etc). Sometimes one or two things is more than enough to dictate if X faction gets it turn to be added, sometimes it's more on the list that is required at the time.

It's not something that can have a decisive answer, other than currently the IDF is as likely to be added as other major or minor factions. Because factions aren't always added for the exact same reason.

[mighty garnet]

It’s Not

[mighty garnet]

DSHK-M for infantry use??

🧌

[plain mason]

this is said, yet we have 3 chinas that almost pretty much mirror each other in loadouts.

One faction is simply the other two glued together.

I can see keeping PLA and PLAMC if we get some sort of weapon variance for infantry in the PLA

[reef lotus]

The PLA was a popular community request, and fell inline with amphibious update theme, while opening a new biome map opportunity. It also was an experimental faction, for the new sub-faction system being tested out.

[reef lotus]

🤐

[plain mason]

Oh, i have nothing against PLA, i enjoy them

i just hate how terribly done the 3 are.

If they released with just the PLA/PLAMC, i wouldn't be as disgruntled. They have vehicle variance, though i would point out the lazy overlap in weapons.
I have the most issue with PLAAGF

that and the fact the ZTD still uses the shitty t-62 stats, even though it has the same projectile MM as the MGS

I 'd much rather have the devs focus on diversifying Battlegroup Divisions rather than add new factions. The USMC Light Infantry is a great example. Bar the time period stretch, it fits the theme of diverse but recognizable gameplay per faction.

[uncut vapor]

PLANMC is just outright cursed. They weren’t operating in the same capacity as USMC Marines were, but that’s the role they’re playing in game

[errant sky]

alonside the israel forces should also be the arab resistance militia [ARM] . just like with the canadian resistance forces, would add to the lore for certain areas. cool story telling.

[left flax]

This is not really needed since we have MEI performing the same role.

[restive crow]

Just add isreal who cares.

[brave bobcat]

Were gonna have awhile if Israel is going to be added, prob like at least 1-2 years

[sudden barn]

Do not add the juice, we need EPMC/Germans instead

[plain mason]

Or hear me out, we stop adding factions and start adding features

Like better diversified battle groups for factions

[left flax]

Epmc already exists, imf is basically that now

[plain mason]

they mean asian pmc

[cerulean fox]

❌

[left flax]

We would need a proper asian theater before that. We only have one map for them

[plain mason]

✅

[frosty saddle]

or maps acc

havent got new ones in a while

[atomic copper]

Supermod has the IDF

[gritty flare]

They need to add paraglider/motors to insurgents

[brave bobcat]

Again, mods are not a very good representation of the faction if it were in game

[dull turret]

So? ADF was a mod aswell i see no one complaining about it being added

[atomic copper]

U completely misunderstood what I was saying bruh

[dull turret]

I do see it you say a faction is playable through a mod already therefore there is no need to add it to the main game

[atomic copper]

OWI will never add it because it’s controversial

[dull turret]

so adding ukraine now is not?

you are not connected brother

VDV was added aswell in a bad time did anyone gave a shit?

OWI do not care about this stuff if it adds to the game and its features its on the table

[atomic copper]

Oh then why were we and other mods told to remove the Z?

Idk why you’re so pressed over this bro. Means absolutely nothing

[dull turret]

answering to you and making sense= pressed? no i simply have other view then you

i do not care if you agree or not i just write whats been happening

[atomic copper]

How is adding Ukraine controversial?

[dull turret]

maybe since its in a middle of a hot topic?

active war might some people say

[dry oxide]

Ukrainian community respectfully asked the MEE devs to remove them

[atomic copper]

Then OWI banned it from mods

[dry oxide]

Not really

OWI asked them to remove it but they we're already in the process of removing

it

[atomic copper]

Which is dumb as shit

[dry oxide]

I'd say its fair tbh

Given that its essentially become this bizarre pro-genocide symbol in Russia despite it being an IFF

[uncut vapor]

AFU and IDF are not comparable in regards to controversy.

[dull turret]

Thats not what i was replying about i never said ADF had any controversy

[uncut vapor]

AFU, not ADF.

Ukraine and Israel are not comparable. Not australia...

[dull turret]

Ma bad on that one

And why not because each other are infamous for different things?

Its all about prespective

[uncut vapor]

Not to make this too political, but only one is being credibly accused of genocide...

[dull turret]

Like i said its all prespective nither of those groups are called terror groups therfore they are on the table

Literally one of the mods said it not too far above

[uncut vapor]

If your perspective is this detached from reality I can see why you don't understand the difference.

Yes, Dubs has said they are not restricting content purely due to controversy reasons.

I didn't say the controversy should be the deciding factor of their inclusion. But in terms of controversy, the two are not comparable.

[dull turret]

Thats your view man i do not care about it

[uncut vapor]

You brought it up.

I responded to you claiming that Ukraine was comparable in controversy. It's obviously not.

You don't have to care, I'm just pointing out that it's a bit silly to say.