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[covert pivot]

Basically yes same thing, you'll just have to find out the "root" of skill_haruka.ltx to know how to name and where to place the dltx file

[pulsar flame]

quick question guys

what files control the inventory stats?

I'm looking to remove the power bar files from a UI mod that I have installed so that I can try the one that comes with GAMMA

[naive plaza]

How do I edit starting loadouts? Do I just add another entry like my post above?

[misty mulch]

almost certainly with a new dltx file since that file would have a new root

[naive plaza]

I'm trying to make the path work, but it doesn't.
If i put my values under the [custom] bracket in the actual loadouts file itself, it works.
But if i try to put this config under my own mod using the same path and the filename:
GAMMA\mods\Smg_in_vision_slot\gamedata\configs\items\settings\mod_system_zz_startingloadouts.ltx
It doesnt work.
The file looks like this:

![custom]
wpn_kar98_retrotac = true,1,0

[misty mulch]

step one have this open in a tab and read it https://igigog.github.io/anomaly-modding-book/addons/dltx.html because you are making one of these files

[misty mulch]

you must, MUST, follow these rules when creating a dltx file:

• The location of the DLTX file must match the location of the root file it is modifying. If the root file is in gamedata/configs, you put it in gamedata/configs. If it is in gamedata/configs/items, put it there, etc.
• The name of the DLTX file must follow this convention:

mod_rootfilename_yourDLTXfilename.ltx

• Therefore, if the root file you are modifying is system.ltx, your DLTX file must be called mod_system_myDLTXmod.ltx
• If you are modifying, say, new_game_loadouts.ltx, your DLTX file must be called mod_new_game_loadouts_myDLTXfilenamehere.ltx

stg maybe i should just write this fucking guide once and for all

[quasi narwhal]

you should at least pin this message

and refer to it the 1000x people ask about dltx

[misty mulch]

i was gonna full on write a thing lol

[naive plaza]

When you say rootfile do you mean the file I am trying to edit?

[misty mulch]

kind of but it's more complicated than that

[quasi narwhal]

yeah that'd be great

[misty mulch]

let's go with "yes but it's complex" for now

[naive plaza]

So if i want to edit new_game_loadouts.ltx, i would name my file mod_new_game_loadouts_zz_mysicknameforthisfile.ltx and put it in the same folder path as new_game_loadouts.ltx but inside my custom mod?

[quasi narwhal]

can you dltx weather files though for example?
i always thought you couldn't because it ain't included in a root file, i think they're just read on the fly

[misty mulch]

i don't think so

i remember raven saying something to that extent and if there's anyone i'd trust to know, it's that guy

[misty mulch]

you don't need the zz

[misty mulch]

otherwise yes

[naive plaza]

I see? I heard (long ago now) that the z count is priority or something?

[misty mulch]

this is such an awful half truth that needs to die
DLTX files are loaded alphabetically, last loaded wins. You therefore only need to do this kind of shit if you are concerned that some other DLTX mod will directly and precisely overwrite the changes you made. I can guarantee you that whatever you're trying to do with new game loadouts in vanilla gamma, it is not going to get affected by other DLTX files

[naive plaza]

Ah i see. Makes sense about the alphabetically ordered loading.

Is the default startup_ammo taking the ammo listed in ammo_class and taking the first one?
As in if fmj is first in that list, then that's the "default ammo"?

And where can we see bullet count per "ammo container"?

It's hard when you're not used to the lingo or naming "standards"

[sudden inlet]

each ammo section has ammo_in_box or something like that

[naive plaza]

Is startup_ammo referring to boxes of ammo or individual bullets?

[random fulcrum]

it's for multiplayer

[naive plaza]

Isn't it also what you get when you spawn in a new game based on the weapon(s) you chose?

[random fulcrum]

no

or at least 99% shouldn't be

idr that script

99.9%, even

[naive plaza]

Just tested it, it's not.

[random fulcrum]

ye i figured

anomaly doesn't use any of the multiplayer ltx fields anywhere

and it's extremely rare for people to reuse them in mods

there's not a single reference to it anywhere in the source code

i just checked

[sick marsh]

is there a way i can manually change the stats of pelts for my game? cause i feel the pseudogiant hide was over nerfed into being worse then some other parts in utility

[teal compass]

mod_system_grok_pelts.ltx in Gamma folder\mods\G.A.M.M.A. Artefacts Reinvention\gamedata\configs

[sick marsh]

thank you

[sick marsh]

over tweaked or balanced enough?

[misty mulch]

I mean, presumably you made the mod for you, put in some testing time and see if it works

[woeful bear]

How do ya print log output to a cmd window? Cant see whats goin on w/ ma SHIT

[novel ruin]

printf([shits])

[woeful bear]

way ahead of ya

live view in a cmd prompt window is what Im lookin for

console in game prints fuck all lines

[novel ruin]

yea im looking for that as well

[crude gust]

You can't do this natively with cmd, but you can do it in PS console with opening stream from Anomaly log file
For example:
Get-Content log.txt -Tail 10 -Wait
will open log.txt with latest 10 lines showed from it.

So if you combine proposed above printf command with PS log stream - you will have somewhat compact real time view. If it's what you trying to achieve.

[woeful bear]

Mad lad, cheers

ah nevermind, the log only dumps from console when you close the game or crash. it does up to engine init and then no output till its done

[crude gust]

Well, in this case you can filter log by your entry if you not comfortable with CTRL+F in your editor.
For example you make prints into console with some unique tag like "[MyScript] Cool text"
Then inside log you can querry via PS this [MyScript] entry like so:
gc "C:\path\to\logfile.log" | ? { $_ -match "\[MyScript\]" }

I hope some X-Ray experts could you help more than me, tho.

[woeful bear]

Cheers anyway, but its all the same unless I can get it the console to output to log during gameplay. All works fine atm just have to close the game if I want to see the full log

[covert pivot]

it should probably be added to the anomaly modding book too, it doesnt really explain how to find roots or what they really are

[drifting moat]

You can set up code to log to a .txt

That's how I did it

I can send you the code or you can just tell SlaveGPT to do it

[regal bolt]

Is there a difference between .45acp and .45 Hydro-Shok VELOCITIES or do they both read from the gun they are being fired from?

[summer stream]

difference :

first has more ap
second has less ap

but HS has more damage multiplier

literally all

[regal bolt]

I understand, im refering to the Velocity specifically

[summer stream]

the bullet has it's own velocity too, but i dont remember which line goes to it

like one of the helpers said :

[regal bolt]

interesting, thank you

[naive plaza]

On the note of pelts, how do we revert the "1 pelt only" setting that we have now?
I need my hides

[regal bolt]

it kills me too but im all for hardcore

[misty mulch]

Can you not printf() then just open the ~ console, use pgup and pgdown to scroll

And the reason why it doesn't print much is cos tosox minimod has "log spam remover" as an option by default, it removes all log lines printed by mods. Find and reinstall it without the log spam remover option in mo2

[woeful bear]

Was doing it to begin with. Was doing my head in. needed to see more of what was happening lol. I'll keep log spam remover in mind tho for next time

[quasi narwhal]

just prefix the log messages with -- to make them green

or use the pda notifications so you can pull up your pda and see on the logs there

or make short log messages and use set_msg to show them on your screen

or write it to a log file

i can think of 2000 different ways of logging shit

[random fulcrum]

it removes printing from gbo and two other mods idr their names

but it doesn't completely suppress printf like what grok had done ages ago when he edited _g.script for it

[rough lion]

Where can i find the anomaly startup splash screen? Want to edit it for fun.

[fair inlet]

I think you have to recompile the exe

[misty mulch]

• Wrote a "how to make DLTX files" guide for dummies https://github.com/veerserif/gamma-dashboard/blob/main/dltx_guide.md
• (2025-07-10) How to make selective XML overwrites without DXML https://github.com/veerserif/gamma-dashboard/blob/main/xml_overwrites.md
• Explanation of how armor items' BR class and AP resistance is calculated for the player #╙🖇mods-making-discussion message

[misty mulch]

in my usual fashion it's overly long and wordy

but hey i explain what the fuck a root file is

[covert pivot]

maybe i missed it but you dont mention how there can be multiple root files, when some inbetween ltx file gets directly loaded into a script

[misty mulch]

i don't mention it cos i didn't know

i'll go make an "extra notes" category

don't want to interrupt my nice simple "root file is last in the chain of includes"

[covert pivot]

When a script loads ltx file directly like
ini_file("items\\settings\\npc_loadouts\\npc_loadouts.ltx")

its another root

i dont remember but there was some ltx that was both in system.ltx and some script that loaded ltx files in the middle of the chain of includes

so you had to make 2 dltx files to cover both roots (system.ltx one and script one)

[misty mulch]

extremely stupid, but thank you for telling me, will rewrite the section

[random fulcrum]

the modpocalypse has to happen

[covert pivot]

Only thing I've found before was stuff like weapon upgrade files, but i have no idea if they are used in anyway through system.ltx

They get include chained into system.ltx but also called in inventory_upgrades.script

We talked about it back here #╙🖇mods-making-discussion message

[random fulcrum]

is shit like this documented in the book

i haven't read it in a long time

i have a lot of seemingly obscure tech that i'd like to add but ||i barely know how pull requests work, let alone contributing to a project||

[covert pivot]

The book doesnt cover what roots actually are

or how to find out what they are except "use ltxdiff findroot lol"

[misty mulch]

ok, my guide is updated with a better definition of root files + the multi-root thing + an FAQ at the end

[covert pivot]

the content of dltx files is explained well in the anomaly modding book, just the "what to name the file" and "where to place it" isnt that nice. But igigog is also active again so maybe there'll be updates to it (im too lazy, i rather write the same thing 100 times here when someone asks)

[misty mulch]

well igigog specifically can incorporate this into his modding book if he wants

[rough lion]

Do you know a good way how to do that?

[misty mulch]

also, turns out ini highlighting for the code block works great for ltx files (which of course they do)

[random fulcrum]

follow the tutorial in the modded exes repo

[rough lion]

alrigth

[fair canopy]

is there a way to do a notepad++ search through mo2 on virtual folders?

[misty mulch]

yes, just launch notepad++ through MO2 (edit: it is noticeably slower to start the find-in-file search this way)

although i find doing find-in-file through the entire mods folder is usually fine if you use the filter (e.g. *.ltx for only ltx files), then you copy paste likely suspects into MO2 file search to see who actually provides the file

[fair canopy]

oh theres a filter?

[summer stream]

https://tenor.com/view/andrei-black-guy-gif-11424755498498314417

[fair canopy]

i usually just let it run through mods and stop all productivity for half an hour

[jovial dragon]

Hey guys, is there a way to make gun oils and cleaning solvents etc repair weapon parts below 60%?

[misty mulch]

ez way: disable G.A.M.M.A. Guns Have No Condition, obviously disables the whole "guns don't have an overall condition" thing

[covert pivot]

hamsters looking through a billion .ogf files to find 'wpn_pm'

[jovial dragon]

I see, so what you're saying is it basically reverts to the old weapon condition system, correct?

[misty mulch]

!mo2search // moderately harder way: hide the fileG.A.M.M.A. Guns Have No Condition/gamedata/configs/mod_system_zzzzzzzz_GAMMA_guns_no_condition_repair.ltx

[queen pine]

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[jovial dragon]

Is there any difference between the methods?

I mean, results wise.

Thanks for the help btw really appreciate it man

[summer stream]

ez way : pros you can now repair it under 60%
cons your guns have condition now

simple innit bruv

[misty mulch]

ez way reverts the entire "guns don't have overall condition, condition locked at 85% after you shoot once" thing
moderately hard way only reverts the "you use only cleaning kits to fix gun parts" thing

[jovial dragon]

Brilliant

[misty mulch]

you can even do multiple filters, e.g. *.ltx *.xml for "search only xml and ltx files"

[summer stream]

you know im curious how people find out about it

also @misty mulch

[covert pivot]

I usually search atleast script/ltx/xml

[summer stream]

any idea where the mutants part skinning comes out from?

since i need it for my mod

and im too lazy to update gamma

[fair canopy]

well fuck my life i guess

[misty mulch]

which bit of the mutant skinning are you referring to? pelt drop, skinning anim, loot table, what?

[fair canopy]

thanks

[summer stream]

The chances.

The knives.

[fair canopy]

Found what I needed in 3 minutes

[summer stream]

the percent chance of them being in good condition using specific knives

[misty mulch]

fun fact i usually start by doing a discord search inside #📢development for this kinda stuff

[summer stream]

https://tenor.com/view/andrei-black-guy-gif-11424755498498314417

[misty mulch]

and then from that message i can probably look at the commits directly before/after lol

[summer stream]

i need to see that

literally that because im

an idiot

that still runs 0.9.1

(but rather the one who enjoys the game)

[misty mulch]

https://github.com/Grokitach/Stalker_GAMMA/commit/3b37facffd9be7d07c3cfc6bc3aab48c8bee109c collapse the changes made to the xml files, you want the script file edit at the end

[misty mulch]

https://github.com/Grokitach/Stalker_GAMMA/commit/d92d165c95f6e9c3903d66329818d22d9728fcd0

[misty mulch]

the power of search

[summer stream]

https://tenor.com/view/зеленыйслоник-gif-24958117

i am not editing it innit

wtf my ctrl started to work

[covert pivot]

making ltx files too complicated

[summer stream]

its rather grok even doing it in there

[covert pivot]

you could edit it by unlocalizing the table

[misty mulch]

https://igigog.github.io/anomaly-modding-book/addons/lua-unlocalizer.html

(i presume)

[random fulcrum]

what the fuck is that indentation

[misty mulch]

the indentation going from ltx -> github -> back gets fucked, constantly

[covert pivot]

Its for The Vision™

[misty mulch]

the tables are complete gore

also a lot of "this was supposed to be opened in windows-1251 but got saved in utf-8 rip the whole file"

[random fulcrum]

oh so microsoft is behind this

[misty mulch]

including a couple of complete text xmls lol

[random fulcrum]

fuck microsoft

[jovial dragon]

Thanks a million mate that worked perfectly!!!

[covert pivot]

That indentation is still like 5 tabs for no reason

[misty mulch]

oh that. yeah idfk

i assume there's some copy paste shit going on

[covert pivot]

tho yeah for some reason github tabs are 8 spaces by default

(its also personal account settings)

with normal person 4 space tabs its atleast a bit better

[misty mulch]

deranged amount of spaces

[summer stream]

can someone drop me that script plz

im lazy to download the mods

[covert pivot]

you can just download that one file from github

[misty mulch]

the diff contains the filename, search the github repo for it

[summer stream]

https://tenor.com/view/andrei-black-guy-gif-11424755498498314417

im lazy

[misty mulch]

then you ain't getting the script

[summer stream]

then no update

heheheh

[jovial dragon]

So now I can use ramrods, oils etc but still can't repair weapon parts below 60 percent

Which is interesting because when I find Universal weapon cleaning kits it specifically says its for maintaining weapon PART condition below 20%

Yet it only lets me select weapons

[drifting moat]

Isn't it above 20%?

I never took a good look at it, but I think it says parts >20%

[jovial dragon]

Apologies, above yes.

But my point remains the same

It's not letting me repair weapon parts below 60%, am I being dumb?

[drifting moat]

Did you get the part our of the gun?

[jovial dragon]

Indeed.

[misty mulch]

you never could, threshold is 60% for all gun parts

in gamma anyway. has been for literal years

[misty mulch]

this kit is nerfed into the ground and should never spawn, at all, in gamma

[jovial dragon]

Understood, thx

I thought I could somehow make the weapon part repair items like oils and ramrods etc repair weapon parts in lower conditions.

Just trying to make it a bit more fun, I really don' t have a enough spare time to farm Expert toolkits

And raising drop condition feels like cheating, even when it's on legend stalkers.

[jovial dragon]

Could probably find this code but for the ramrods hmm?

[misty mulch]

quite frankly it is faster to just spam cleaning kit charges to magically fix parts INSIDE guns.

or repair kit charges, to magically replace parts with a 100% version.

[jovial dragon]

Yeah but what if they're below 60

[misty mulch]

repair kit charge magically turns it into 100%

[misty mulch]

!repair // read the weapon repair kit, it's been updated

[queen pine]

@misty mulch
Text guides about repairing, mantaining and cleaning your gun and your armor.
For weapons: #╭📖faq message
For armors: #╭📖faq message

A quick video about "how to repair stuff" (may be a little bit outdated): #╭📖faq message

[jovial dragon]

Yes, I know how the system works now, and I'm not a fan of it, what I mean is waiting to get a D repair Kit takes too long for example

Was just wondering if it's possible to edit the files to lower the threshold for repairing gun parts

[misty mulch]

make a dltx file (just wrote a guide for that) to edit every single part repairing item to have repair_min_condition = 0.01 or whatever you want the threshold to be

check first pin in here

[drifting moat]

You can buy that from high level mechanics if you don't want to farm it. I think you don't need expert tools that way

[misty mulch]

no you need to give them experts for them to sell Type D Repair Kits. On purpose

the entire point is that D kit guns are ALWAYS locked behind expert tools

[drifting moat]

#1100689401966755870 message

[drifting moat]

Makes sense

[visual anchor]

i wanna remove guns from spawning in gamma. how do i do that

i want the game to feel somewhat close to vanilla with the additions of extra warsaw and nato firearms where i think is appropriate

[covert pivot]

Edit the files in GAMMA NPC Loadouts mod

[drifting moat]

I think then gamma is not the right direction, is it?

[celest forge]

So have all STALKERs not have guns?

what?

[drifting moat]

Stalker primal. Make them use bows

[thin socket]

Is it possible to remove grass ?

[barren spruce]

yes

[thin socket]

plese teach me

[barren spruce]

all grass sliders to 0 in settings/visual/advanced

[thin socket]

Anything more than that ?

[barren spruce]

no

[outer sedge]

I was gonna make a little mod for my own personal use that just changes the weight of ammo (and maybe a few other things) to be a bit lighter, are there any mods i can go rip open and reverse engineer to figure out how to do that? (edit an items properties/weight in a non horrifically intrusive way) I dont need a full guide or anything, just an example to work off of

[barren spruce]

i didnt mean that u learn from it

just use it if u need more weight

else you love wasting time, then make a mod for decreasing ammo weight

[thin socket]

get into the ltx files. its basically english in there, find item_weight

something like this

[outer sedge]

i know there are a billion ways i could just get more carry weight, but id like to just tweak this one very specific thing without causing it to mess with the balance of everything else too much, and id like to learn a bit about modding the game anyways, this seemed like a nice simple starting point.

[outer sedge]

ty ❤️

[thin socket]

just dont hoard too much the system have max items in the world

[barren spruce]

ye 600 milion gl with that

[thin socket]

or if you want more ammo available, just make the box size bigger

[thin socket]

hit that 3x

[thin socket]

and its 65k

[outer sedge]

what exatly does "box size" mean? like the game will spawn ammo in sets of x in containers/on NPC's or something

[thin socket]

max number of ammo in a box (single id)

a single box of 556 contain 15 (aroudn that) of ammo, so if you hoard 1500 ammo, it takes 100 id. make box size 100 and it only use up 15id

but i think it will generate more ammo looted havent check that

because i think the number of ammo in stash/dead body is % of the box size

[outer sedge]

id assume it would, but thats not an awful thing either... time to go write a python script to change these values by a fixed ratio...

thank you for your help ❤️

[summer stream]

https://tenor.com/view/andrei-black-guy-gif-11424755498498314417

[spiral yew]

How can I put letters with an accent? like ó on the game? on game they dont show properly x.x

[misty mulch]

read first pinned msg in here to learn how to make a DLTX file, and then change the item_weight of every ammo type

[pulsar flame]

Yo got a quick question

How do I turn down the sky brightness

[novel ruin]

https://www.moddb.com/mods/stalker-anomaly/addons/no-grass-and-lods-great-for-winter-mods-and-potatoes
reverse engineer this, probably just replace the grass texture to a blank one

[ebon ginkgo]

So which mod controls the viewmodels when leaning? Is it INERTIA?

[thin socket]

Interesting, it does say "option to remove grass only". But further thought, wont it look weird with no grass lol. I think i shall try that npc cant see through grass 1st

[novel ruin]

Weapon inertia expanded

[ebon ginkgo]

Wonder how much of a process it'd be to take the viewmodel settings for upright and right-lean and swap them

[sick marsh]

is there a mod to where the Player character will comment on events aswell in pda?

[novel ruin]

How do I get the current level of the character?
Edit: I got the answer: level.name()

[tawny stream]

Where (And how) do I unpack Item Configs? Trying to edit some weapon stats.

[misty mulch]

Run db_unpacker.bat in Anomaly/tools

[misty mulch]

Reference my DLTX guide, first pin here

[broken ivy]

any help with this, its probably error with render/shader

for context i managed to start desolation with updated exe with help of a dude, it now loads into main menu but past that nothing

[misty mulch]

this is for making mods, not trying to troubleshoot playing with them

and for desolation? you absolutely won't be getting much help in this server i think

[broken ivy]

Yea fuck

Not even on their discord server

[misty mulch]

it runs completely differently to anomaly, we really can't help

[barren spruce]

these 3 do with sun brightness thus decreasing the sky brightness also

for sky only i think you must do with skyboxes and i dont have any experience with that

[sturdy plaza]

alright, i got a question regarding dltx

putting stat changes for multiple guns in a single file. the change for ak74u is working regarding the hit power. but the akm recoil change does not work. does anybody know why? what am i doing wrong?

[misty mulch]

first - you don't need the bit after the : for the akm, since that's not really relevant (as in, you don't need to tell a section to inherit from itself)

as for why the recoil isn't changing, that would be because gamma doesn't use any of those values, it relies entirely on a new system introduced by enhanced recoil

yes you can dltx that but those values work completely differently to the cam_ whatever values

documentation for it is in the comments at the top of the enhanced recoil grok_bo_enhanced_recoil.ltx, so give them a read

[sturdy plaza]

im aware, it adds changes on top of the standart values of the gun. not brand new. i checked it and did some work there and some minor changes there as well due to how it was built all together. where wpn_akm is marked as a recoil change pattern and wouldnt work if i just actually added this gun overall.

but you need to change the original values otherwise it still would be different due to the groks enchanced recoil

[misty mulch]

wdym "wouldn't work if I actually added this gun overall"

[sturdy plaza]

groks enchanced recoil has a section named "wpn_akm" as a recoil pattern. so if i would type in the gun itself it would get a crash due to the line repeating spite being two different things

but ok, thats not really the point rn. you telling me to just have it like this?

well, tested it and thank you, that actually solved the issue

i was trying that but i didnt put " : " behind it and just had a crash. well, because i know nothing about coding really.

[misty mulch]

delete the : as well, it's not needed

when you write [section]:section2, you're telling the game, "make everything in [section] copy from [section2], except for the few things i specify here", and you generally do not want it to reference itself

that's what "inheritance" means fyi

[sturdy plaza]

alright, understood. fixed that mistake

now, the big question. how do i add a option for a gun to take two types of silencers?

[brazen pier]

Do you think it is easy to modify the appearance of the reticle in scopes?
The x10 scope that I use on the sks is not very visible, if there is an image somewhere I could modify it in photoshop.

[covert pivot]

You repurpose the script that handles multiple scopes to also handle silencers and then create meshes for the new silencer + scope combos

two types of silencers on a gun isnt supported by default

[sturdy plaza]

that is a super long solution. i was mor

[sturdy plaza]

ah, there. thats what i wante to know if it even is possible at all

[covert pivot]

its possible, just needs support for it

[sturdy plaza]

because recreating every weapon is just a massive time consuming hassle

[covert pivot]

before the scopes list was added there was also only possible to have 1 scope on a gun

[fair canopy]

You're still gonna have an exponential number of weapon models

No one is gonna want to make that many weapon models for a silencer

Assuming you take a standard gamma model that has on average 14 scopes and 8 red dots, having two silencers per weapon already doubles that count

What you'd need to do to keep it down is to write a script that can hide and show bones depending on a specific silencer attached, then parent your silencer to the specific bone for it

[sturdy plaza]

i dont think i hav the skills to make the same for silencers. so i rather not. perhaps should avoid this idea all together

[fair canopy]

Just wait for anomaly 1.6 which will supposedly have an attachment system

[lilac idol]

raven has a script that does something like that

[fair canopy]

Maybe in 2028

[lilac idol]

idk if it's published tho

[fair canopy]

If it is it's gotta be somewhere obscure

Don't think I've ever seen it

Unless that's what cwwp is using for their attachment system

[sturdy plaza]

yeah, ok, this aint gona happen

big sad

[lilac idol]

all it does is hide the mesh asigned to a certain bone when equiping a suppressor

which is useful when a gun has a big ass muzzle device or something

but i imagine that something like that could be reverse engineered to work for 2 suppressors

[sturdy plaza]

yeah, i really wanted to utilize that with my idea. instead of actually the second silencer being a silencer, i wanted to make something which is just muzzle devices. to reduce recoil in exchange for actually being silenced

[random fulcrum]

make the suppressor work as a scope

[sturdy plaza]

i dont want to do that. thats just a huge hassle and even i know i could make it work in a lot more efficent way, i just dont have the skills to create a script to make the game accept multiple silencer options for a gun. so i rather avoid the idea in general for now

also, can anybody please explain what these values mean exactly?

its for ammo

[random fulcrum]

k_disp is a multiplier for dispersion (inaccuracy)
k_hit is a multiplier for damage
k_impulse is a multiplier for ragdoll force
k_ap is ap (scaled down by a lot, that screenshot is 27 ap)
tracer_color_id is just that
wm_size is the size of the decal on impact
k_air_resistance is the damage/ap scaling factor over distance and also how quick the bullet loses speed
k_bullet_speed is a multiplier for bullet speed

the values after the semicolon are ignored

the values being multiplied all come directly from the gun's definitions

[misty mulch]

the modding book has an "ammo config parameters" reference which should explain all of it

[sturdy plaza]

oh, ok, let me look into that

[random fulcrum]

that too

[sturdy plaza]

thanks for the answer tho

[sturdy plaza]

but to let me understand this bullet. k_ap of 0.027 is the armor piercing value so ingame this would count as br2, really close to being effective for br3? like, very similar to how tarkov pen values work?

and what is the other number of 0.4 behind it?

[misty mulch]

ap is a simple "if total AP value of the shot beats target's armor value, it penetrates"

the engine doesn't recognize "br", that is a made up stat for the stat card

[sturdy plaza]

so it being 27 doesnt mean shit, it might as well be 20

[misty mulch]

i THINK armor BR is an actual two-digit number representing the armor value x100, since all the hit parameters work on a 0.00 to 1.00 scale

[thin socket]

I tried to make strayer voight to load 23x75. Put both slug and shrapnel into the ammo_class, but in game it only show shrapnel availability. What did i miss ?

[random fulcrum]

it was

but it stopped being cared for when stat changes occured

which is super fucking weird because grok handwrites the stats to the description

so he just needs to edit the br number next to the ap one

but alas

[misty mulch]

honestly ignore br

it will mislead you

trust only the numbers from the configs

[random fulcrum]

which is why you end up with shit like x39 ap which has like 5something ap

but is listed as br6

newbies get super confused over that

[sturdy plaza]

so uhm....well, ok this got me confused a bit.

[random fulcrum]

the number you see in the text editor right now is the one the engine and the script layer care about

not the one you see in the item's description

[teal compass]

so br 50-60 is br5 and br 60+ is br6?

[random fulcrum]

because it is hand written

and not dynamically added

[sturdy plaza]

oh, yeah, that i understand. i genuinely want to change it up a bit , as well the description. idea is to get really influenced from tarkov when giving ammo its ap and damage values so i want to understand how they correlate between the games to gain a understanding what i would like to change

and perhaps adding a 4th type of ammo to have a option of budget ap ammo and stuff like that

therfore im asking what do those number mean, how it works ingame and how does the game understand them. because so far i understood the br rating being 0.27 means nothing and might as well be written as 0.2 because the game does not take in account the 0.7 to make it slightly effective against br3

[misty mulch]

Your mistake here is assuming "br3" on an armor description is meaningful. It isnt

[random fulcrum]

brother you did not understand shit then

[misty mulch]

Enemy armor values do not follow the actual armor item stats

[random fulcrum]

we're telling you that the br number doesn't mean absolutely anything

[sturdy plaza]

oh, alright. how do the enemy armor values work then?

[random fulcrum]

check damages.ltx

that's your answer

[sturdy plaza]

alright, will do

[misty mulch]

Whatever the bip01_spine and head damages bip01_head number is I thiiink

I have a pre chewed parsed list of those somewhere

[random fulcrum]

bip01_head

[misty mulch]

But I'm afk atm

Ah thanks for the correction

[random fulcrum]

the thing is you multiply k_ap by a number that's roughly between 6 and 7 (due to all of the hidden modifiers) and then compare it to the armor listed

in damages.ltx

if it's lower than that then you deal pea shooter damage and the armor is degraded by twice the initial amount

that's the short answer

and i'm not gonna explain gbo to you

[misty mulch]

here you go. the armor values you're interested are "body_bonearmor" and "head_bonearmor"

this is not for literally every possible profile in the game, cos that's insane, but they're the most common ones

the name is a name I made up to keep track of them. the game will only use the id

[brazen pier]

ok I found it in 410- 3DSS for GAMMA - Redotix99 & Andtheherois & party50\gamedata\textures\wpn

[analog sand]

Why don't I have puddles in the game?

[sturdy plaza]

why is everything i look into and get curious about turns out to be spaghetti of code and systems how each file works

[random fulcrum]

inconsistent and or subpar modding

it's super consistent, simple, and tidy in the engine side

[sturdy plaza]

i want to cry from trying to learn this

[random fulcrum]

wait until bro opens up grok_bo.script

[wispy ferry]

not the Grok Body Odour script...

[misty mulch]

in fairness you did also run face first into the messiest possible system: gun attachments, and now, damage calculations

[sturdy plaza]

i have went the route of just trial and error. might take more time , but its just something i actually understand. working with the values i have and modifying them a little.

alright, a whole different question and not even about what i find where and how

i heard many complaints about magazines not working

which mag mod is the best and do i need to update anything atm?

[misty mulch]

Ask #🔨modded-gamma-support for how to install mods

[sturdy plaza]

its not that, its a question of which one i pick just becasue i heard complains of them causing crashes or not working with the latest update

[misty mulch]

!mags // follow the latest mags command.

[queen pine]

@sturdy plaza How to enable magazines in GAMMA: #╭📖faq message
Do not enable 207- Mags Redux or Mags Buyable at Traders!

[misty mulch]

that IS an installation q

[sturdy plaza]

i mean, i guess, anyway, thanks for the answer

[pulsar flame]

Ye I tried those
I was wondering if there was anything else
Thx anyway tho

[barren spruce]

[tawny stream]

[sturdy plaza]

ok, i dont understand one thing about anomaly mags redux

checking the files and everything, it has the text for what mags which weapon uses for all the weapons ingame, even unused ones

yet when i give myself a unused weapon, it doesnt have the mag function

why? im digging through the files i cant find anthing what would be responsable for it

[teal compass]

it just didnt get a mag and mag base assigned to it, which weapon?

[sturdy plaza]

oh, well, currently checking the aks74u old version. ak74u_old

but it does have it assigned, or im missing something?

[teal compass]

then it should have a mag

does it has something like this
[wpn_storm]
default_mag = mag_8000_cougar
;base_type
ammo_11.43x23_fmj = ump_11.43x23

[sturdy plaza]

wait, hold on

[teal compass]

that is not assigned bro

[sturdy plaza]

i edited it myself a bit to try to make it to work, i forgot to turn it back

[teal compass]

get :wpn_ak74u after it

lol

[sturdy plaza]

it had it

[teal compass]

put it back then

that's how its assigned, basically means same base as ak74u

[sturdy plaza]

yeah, it has it and it still didnt work ,therefore i changed it around to find out what is going on. i just removed that section and added the same text right under it as the base has

hold on, let me check again and stuff

[teal compass]

it should just work do you have files that overrides it maybe?

[sturdy plaza]

ok, i got it to work

it wasnt that, but another thing i did by trying to add a extra ammo type to it and it made the mag mod just not work

it still works, i just accidentally made the new ammo type be the default ammo for it

[teal compass]

prob the ammo type is missing?

so it doesnt load

[sturdy plaza]

yup

now im trying to add the extra special super fancy ammo type i made to a magazine

editing the basetypes , adding the caliber to the list and still doesnt work

[teal compass]

it might be overriden

[sturdy plaza]

i cant find anything what would do that

adding new ammo to a basetype file of the magazine, but it doesnt work for some reason. am i missing something here?

[teal compass]

dltxs or the ltx with same name whatever might override them

idk what you have in your modfiles but just see if its the last loaded ltx

[sturdy plaza]

i just tested that in case i was stupid earlier. no it doesnt work at all. Just for testing purpouses i copied the file from the actual mod , just added the new ammo type and created a new mod loaded absolutely last with that file. still nothing

which obviously says i need to change something on top, but i have no idea what it could be at all

[sturdy plaza]

finally figured it out

[sturdy plaza]

where can i find gamma ammo icons? i found the icon things itself, but the ammo icons are completely different there

[teal compass]

grok_bo_ammo_icons.dds?

in gamma large files folder

[devout yacht]

Would anyone know what ogg file the Mosin suppressed fire uses? I searched through a few of the ltx files but they pointed to something that didn't show up through search

[teal compass]

check mosin's ltx it should define the sound file path there

[sturdy plaza]

thank you, didnt know where to look

[teal compass]

use the search function sometimes might be helpful

[sturdy plaza]

i did, couldnt find it, because...idk, im stupid or something.

[teal compass]

well sometimes the search function is goofy so understandable

[misty mulch]

also need to use MO2's file searcher, not the mod name filter

[teal compass]

yeah that too

[misty mulch]

that or search through the entire mods folder though that's less useful due to overrides

[devout yacht]

I did but that doesn't show suppressed, only in one ltx in 3DSS and Oleh's Weapons Sounds Tweaks and Fixes. Those just point to something that doesn't exist

[teal compass]

snd_draw = weapons\mosin\mosin_draw
snd_holster = weapons\mosin\mosin_holster
snd_reload = weapons\mosin\mosin_reload
snd_reload_empty = weapons\mosin\mosin_reload
snd_reload_misfire = weapons\mosin\mosin_unjam
snd_bore = weapons\mosin\mosin_inspect
snd_shoot = wpn_mosin_snd_shoot
snd_shoot_actor = wpn_mosin_snd_shoot_actor
snd_silncer_shot = wpn_mosin_wstfg_snd_silenced
snd_silncer_shot_actor = wpn_mosin_wstfg_snd_silenced_actor
snd_empty = weapons_dryfire\sniper_trigger
snd_empty_first = weapons_dryfire\mosin_hammer

I see silencer right there in Oleh's weapon sounds

[sturdy plaza]

i did, i couldnt find it. perhaps i was just searching the wrong words or something? i dont even know myself

[devout yacht]

Yeah but trying to find that actual wpn_mosin_wstfg_snd_silenced in a folder to replace is the problem

[teal compass]

oh you want to replace the ogg file

[devout yacht]

Yeah I should've started with that lmao

[misty mulch]

maybe, mo2's searches work only on exact string matches

if you have a single character out of place, it won't show

[sturdy plaza]

most likely i was just searching the wrong thing

[teal compass]

[wpn_mosin_wstfg_snd_silenced_actor]
snd_1_layer = weapons_sd\stereo\r700\sd_close_1
snd_1_layer1 = weapons_sd\stereo\r700\sd_close_2
snd_1_layer2 = weapons_sd\stereo\r700\sd_close_3
snd_1_layer3 = weapons_sd\stereo\r700\sd_close_4
snd_2_layer = weapons_shared\stereo\tail_sd\rifle\tail_sd_1, 0.5
snd_2_layer1 = weapons_shared\stereo\tail_sd\rifle\tail_sd_2, 0.5
snd_2_layer2 = weapons_shared\stereo\tail_sd\rifle\tail_sd_3, 0.5
snd_2_layer3 = weapons_shared\stereo\tail_sd\rifle\tail_sd_4, 0.5
snd_3_layer = weapons\mosin\bolt

[misty mulch]

damn, just beat me to it

!lua // fyi you can do code blocks in discord

[queen pine]

@misty mulch You can format code in Discord by doing this.
 
LINES
​​`<Your code here>​`
BLOCKS

`​`​`lua
<Your code here>
`​`​`

[teal compass]

in Gamma\mods\Oleh's Weapons Sounds Tweaks and Fixes\gamedata\configs\items\weapons\sound_layers\wpn_sniper_sd_sounds.ltx

[misty mulch]

you can replace the lua with other scripting languages for highlighting, or leave it out altogether

[teal compass]

😭 sorry I dont know that thank you

[devout yacht]

Ahhh I guess I was on the right track just didn't know what file it'd be, I'll have to mess with those when I'm back home in a few. Thanks for helping me

[sturdy plaza]

oh for god's sake

what format of dds do the icons need to be? the editor or viewer of those files in the pinned stuff i found has like 5 export versions and im exporting one by one to see which one it is

and the errors on it are in russian.....

alright, is there simply a better program to edit .dds files?

[teal compass]

I use ImageMagick Display to see .dds files

editing dds file tho not really sure, ps probably works?

[sturdy plaza]

and im already struggling with it. doesnt even open

[novel ruin]

Paint.net, a bit basic but work well and advanced on exporting dds files

[sturdy plaza]

ill give it a shot. because i already managed to get a dds plugin for photoshop. edited what i wanted. checked the location of the icon from how stalker reads it. selected it , but ingame it just always is invisible anyway

finally got something to work

[teal compass]

so I just notice that the pp2000 operator model does not have a underbarrel flashlight even though the icon has one, is that intended?

also it misses silencer model

[novel ruin]

it is intended because flashlights never work so gamma removed it

[teal compass]

but silencer tho

sounds is there but model isnt

and if its intended the icon should change too

prob never intended to be in gamma weapon pool

[devout yacht]

Wanted to say thank you again, I got around to making the changes and it worked out.

[random fulcrum]

pp2000 operator was never obtainable in gamma

since the mod was added

no idea as to how it got so maimed

[teal compass]

figured it out, the 3dss for gamma has a operator model overriding the pp2000 reanimation, removing that conflict fixes the problem

[teal compass]

understandable

[autumn python]

tell me, the trees of the dead autumn, what would be with the leaves, I can not find

[fair canopy]

That's a beautiful haiku

[sudden inlet]

Does anyone know how Lucifer works? I was trying to reverse it's visual to display how many in-game hours until the death, but absolutely unable to understand how time and time calulcations in X-Ray work

[cosmic beacon]

I have Blades of the Zone working with the knife durability script from More Melee Features. Worth making a pull request for this to include in GAMMA? Seems like something that might be included at some point anyways?

[summer stream]

or you can either
give it to the author so he can implement it later

[cosmic beacon]

which author? Seems like 2 distinct projects and the knife durability script of More Melee Features is just one of 5 different things in that mod

[summer stream]

the one who created BOTZ

so he can
implement it as a compatability script in fomod incase person has it

[cosmic beacon]

can't this be a GAMMA thing instead? I'm willing to do the work and more than familiar with git, but I'm struggling to find any sort of contributor guidelines or overall way to approach this

[summer stream]

you can contact grok about it

but BOTZ isnt included in gamma anyways

[cosmic beacon]

for a reason? Or just a development resources issue?

[summer stream]

ask grok

he decides which mod should be in there

[cosmic beacon]

all right. Just PM? Or will I get slapped, lol

[summer stream]

you can do it directly

just as that

or wait until he appears in one of the chats

[cosmic beacon]

will do, cheers

[worn fiber]

Do respawn times for NPCs from G.A.M.M.A. NPC Spawns affected by the global respawn time setting from G.A.M.M.A. ZCP 1.4 Balanced Spawns?

[tender pawn]

Progress Update

[signal patrol]

does anyone have the gamma default of this file? im trying to compare some stuff

[signal widget]

Question: If I need to add something to the assortment of traders on the "bases", which files should I refer to?

[tender pawn]

I think it's starting to come together

(No idea how to actually animate it yet, that's just me moving the pieces)

[slow bolt]

just get it off moddb

[misty mulch]

these two

i assume you are referring to the regular vendors, not mechanics or medics

[signal widget]

Yes, thank you so much

[tender pawn]

You know, it’s crazy how this project started as “I’m going to remake the starting pistol from Sulfur as a meme to learn the ins and outs of blender, because it’s cartoony and simple” and evolved into “I am reverse engineering the Mars Automatic Pistol in Blender but with a separate magazine well and the grip further back, which means I have to re-engineer the trigger mechanism, hammer, and slide catch to be further back, and probably make the slide catch separate from the trigger mechanism, because like MOST of those parts would be showing on any firing, reloading, or chamber checking animations”

Actually I’m not sure I could have a chamber checking animation on this gun because of how it moves, that would start pulling a bullet out of the magazine and wouldn’t go back in nicely

[fair canopy]

It's a fake gun. The mechanism doesn't have to work if it looks like it makes sense

[tender pawn]

Yeah, but it would bug me

[fair canopy]

[tender pawn]

I’ll make a “slide” that covers most of this, but the bolt, ejector, feed arm, and potentially the hammer would still be visible, as would a couple interior surfaces

Also I’m learning a lot by doing this

[celest forge]

Specially considering the gun comes from a super cartoony indie game

Which goes for a completely low-poly aesthetic

[fair canopy]

Don't at me if a gun is less than 40k polys and the scope isn't more than 60k

Don't get me started on the polys in an android ass

[tender pawn]

It started as that, but then I just kinda started making it my own thing

Now it's like a rearranged Mars Automatic Pistol

[celest forge]

@random fulcrum did you ever update the HK416 with the icons I made and all that shit

[random fulcrum]

no

[celest forge]

https://tenor.com/view/suicide-family-guy-peter-griffin-gif-9194972

[sudden inlet]

Do we have any technology (mod/script) to display all smart on the pdas map? I would like to use it to make some smarts more populated (i.e. medic wagon at Rostok)

[random fulcrum]

that is a uhh option in the debug menu

[sturdy plaza]

i got a big question :3

just got a error using both mods from "realistic magazines section"

Expression : <no expression>
Function : CScriptEngine::lua_pcall_failed
File : D:\a\xray-monolith\xray-monolith\src\xrServerEntities\script_engine.cpp
Line : 262
Description : fatal error
Arguments :
2 : [Lua] d:/anomaly/bin/..\gamedata\scripts\magazines.script(417) : refund_ammo

LUA error: d:/anomaly/bin/..\gamedata\scripts\magazines.script:417: bad argument #1 to 'pairs' (table expected, got nil)

Check log for details

stack trace:

can anybody explain this, got it while using custom ammo and when using the ammo wheel.

[steady apex]

the condition is changed every 100ms by degradation_rate * time_factor

time_factor is 6

[sudden inlet]

It's 100 ms of in-game time, right?

[steady apex]

no its real 100 ms

[sudden inlet]

Hm, to turn 100ms into in-game ms I just multiply it by time_factor, is this right?

[steady apex]

sounds right

[sturdy plaza]

oh, its the ammo wheel what is causing the issue

because i reloaded with my custom ammo without it and it worked

which mod is responsable for ammo wheel?

[slow bolt]

!support

[queen pine]

@slow bolt If you have a question or need help with G.A.M.M.A., please use the correct channel for your problem:

For vanilla G.A.M.M.A. modlist (this means that your modlist is unchanged and untouched): #🔨base-gamma-support

For custom G.A.M.M.A. modlists (this includes mods added by yourself and also mods that are disabled by default in G.A.M.M.A.: #🔨modded-gamma-support

If you are having issues with the installer, or with your G.A.M.M.A. installation: #1026866080347603065

Any other channel ARE NOT support channels. If your question is a support question, you may be asked to go to the proper channel.

[sudden inlet]

it's vanilla anomaly UIWheelAmmo lua class I think

[sturdy plaza]

im creating a mod and i experienced a issue of it conflicting with something that is in gamma by default. i specified how i experienced the crash by using my own custom mod. this is mods making discussion, i dont see the issue asking here about it

[sturdy plaza]

ill check that out, if i can find it, thanks

[sudden inlet]

you can start with debugging with printfof all data you want to know about in scripts. Apparently you have to start from magazines.script:417 and debug why these pairs are nil and where that variable came from

[slow bolt]

i thought you were asking for some mod, and not your own

[sturdy plaza]

all good, the crash simply happened in correlation with a existing mod

[sudden inlet]

Insane, thanks. degradation_rate was exactly in-game seconds value

[sudden inlet]

Since I didn't find such tool, had to make this small script to list current task sections and complete it, found it useful during learning scripts
https://github.com/SaloEater/Debug-Task-List-Tool

[sturdy plaza]

well, in the end you were right. i thought i caused this crash due to the things i wanted to add to the game, but no, its literally described in the mags mod post of it being a issue with that. just didnt check there at all assuming i caused the issue in the first place.

[woeful bear]

Why would the on_mouse_wheel call back need 2 scrolls to execute while zooming is behaving normally?

Nah, winna

[nocturne night]

Is there a MP 40 addon?

[teal compass]

yes, but this is mod making discussion so you are at the wrong place

[teal compass]

is there like a reason why I would encounter a load screen when spawning a specific weapon in debug test map? I was having this when I try to spawned jp's cz807

[fair inlet]

you are probably just walking into teleport to swamps

[novel ruin]

When does actor_on_net_destroy run?

[teal compass]

the problem is I didn't even move when I spawned it😭

[simple scaffold]

As you quit, load a save, or level transition. Very close to the last thing before the Lua environment shuts down.

Primary use is to clean up script based HUDs that will break the game if not cleaned up engine side before being deleted in Lua.

[novel ruin]

What if i use it to reset actor stuff like fov, input, ect?

[simple scaffold]

It is good for any cleanup you want to do at the very last instant.

Keep in mind crashes won't trigger it.

[novel ruin]

Alright thank you so much

[simple scaffold]

the fact that the ammo wheel is very dependant on there being a certain number of ammo variants and that they will have a particular naming pattern?

[sturdy plaza]

Actually no. Making a thingus of extra ammo options and stuff. Therefore need the magazines and stuff for it to actually be playable and somewhat reasonable

Overall added 3 extra types of ammo for the same caliber so in total i have 6. The ammo wheel does glitch the fuck out, but that aint the cause of it because the same crash happens with vanilla ammo as well. The craah is specific to using the ammo wheel and selecting a ammo type when you have no magazines added to loadout. Or autoremoved because they are emty.

Tested it with ammo i have not touched

And as i see plenty of people are actually complaining about the same issue

[fair canopy]

What's the issue?

[simple scaffold]

odd it shouldn't let you pick a type if there are no mags in the loadout, they should all be greyed out.

updating the code for the ammo wheel has been on my todo list for a long time.

[sturdy plaza]

Well, it allows you to pick whatever spite being grayed out and actually reloads or attempts to which leads to a crash. I should mention this again just in case that im using the magazines mod from "realistic magazines" section. Enabled the two required

Might as well mention how it works perfectly fine with custom ammo in mags and all that funny stuff when you do have a extra loaded mag added to your loadout

But people from the magazine side blame one key mod to be the cause of that which is automatically included

Personally, im very confused as sadly i dont understand much of anything from that

[simple scaffold]

this #1322655858240262304 message

and this: #1322655858240262304 message

that is a modified or old version of my script. My script as is in the curent version can't get that crash. it has nothing to do with the ammo wheel tho.

so what ever mod you have that is providing magazines.script is likely the problem

[sturdy plaza]

Yea, but the thing is, im using whatever is provides in standart gamma install. So gamma installs a outdated version of it together with the mags. Im not certain i know how exactly it all depends on each other, but... yeah. Is it possible to get just that script from you so i or other people dont have yo reinstall max redux all together?

[fair canopy]

It's one key. I specifically gave the warning in the fomod that it has issues and I've said multiple times it uses an older mags script

It needs to be updated but I don't have enough knowledge to do it myself. I tried

[fair canopy]

However grok did the install for mags is borked. Veer has been directing people to reinstall both mods to yet it running correctly

Just be it comes with gamma doesn't mean it's correct

[misty mulch]

Search for messages from me in #🔨modded-gamma-support , keyword "madness", I've been copy pasting shit for days

[simple scaffold]

IDK, once i realized it wasn't my bug i stopped caring sorry. Gamma has a history of butchering mods, either not updating them, or incorporating patches from ppl that don't know what they are doing as "part of gamma".

I am this close to pulling redux from gamma completely after my most recent look at my issues tracker.

[misty mulch]

The irony is that this round of issues comes after literal years of trying to get grok to update mags to the latest version

Only to see it immediately get saddled with a bad install procedure

[random fulcrum]

then the "mags is not part of gamma. " refractory period

[fair canopy]

[teal compass]

then why include it in mo2 then

Its even a bad install

[misty mulch]

You only have to see how many times people ask "how to get magazines" in the rest of the server

[teal compass]

and say why no work

[fair canopy]

Because if it was done correctly in the first place it wouldn't have been an issue

[misty mulch]

Iirc if the file is hosted on discord, the installer can't get it either

So the mags patch is p much stuck as an intermediary folder install, as in, grok picks options from the fomod and you're stuck with it

And I don't think he knew at the time that onekey used the ancient version of magazines.script and therefore, picked the onekey option without checking the giant warning in the fomod

And so now I have this very long copypasta to unfuck it

[covert pivot]

People reporting stuff to original mod and not to gamma is also big brain

[misty mulch]

People report shit in all kinds of wack places tbf, pretty sure we drove illish to madness when ultrawide used to crash ppl out

[teal compass]

well some people just can't pay more attention

[misty mulch]

Cos they'd be told to install the ultrawide mod, and then they would use that thread to dump literally any other crash errors they got

[teal compass]

they just do whatever they want

[celest forge]

Daily occurance

[covert pivot]

[fair canopy]

That guy is just... Something else

[simple scaffold]

the one saying i could make the maghud location adjustable from MCM isn't wrong. i do think it is funny that they used another of my own mods to point out that it was posible to do.

[quasi narwhal]

not allowing your mods to be used in modpacks is the chad move

[simple scaffold]

Gamma and EFP are the only modpacks that have permission to include MCM and mags redux. EFP because they asked nicely and did alot of dev work for both.

gamma because it is SUPPOSED to be downloading from moddb via the miraculous downloader. it's not and it breaks shit.

nearly all my other mods are CC licenced (MCM and mags redux are not) so it's hard to say anything.

i guess i could argue that donation link is commercial activity that is blocked by the version of the CC license i use.

[celest forge]

Don't ask for permission
Change the mod so that it breaks stuff
People message you telling YOU to fix it
You act nice and try to patch it even though it's not your responsability at all
Patch don't work and they're still angry at YOU for some reason

Truly the "my mod was included in gamma" modder experience

[simple scaffold]

its petty an annoying. however i do have to make sure there is only ever one version of MCM. Too many ppl use it. some crap pack from two years ago includes a bugged version of MCM and it isn't just me ggeting flooded with bug reports, it's half the modders in this comunity.

[celest forge]

Yeah it's hard to provide support for a modified version of your mod with other 700 monkeypatched scripts and DLTX files overwriting it

[drifting moat]

Honestly. Imo Monkeypatching shouldn't exist. It looks so damn messy

[celest forge]

It's not an issue when it's not HORRIBLY bloated and messy

It's necessary sometimes when you're making mods, but GAMMA's way of doing it is like those pictures of server rooms that are just a complete cable jungle

And if you disconnect one of the random cables the entire thing goes to shit

[simple scaffold]

it is a matter of scale. and ppl not following the guide or generally knowing how to do it right

[drifting moat]

One part of it that I like is that it keeps the original mod active so it keeps the "credits" to the ppl. Idk if I explained it right

[celest forge]

That is useless

It does nothing for modders

Except artificially inflate a download counter

That. again, doesn't matter at all

Unless you want to inflate your ego with "My mod has 3 million downloads!!!!!!" which isn't even an achievement since they're all automated ones from a launcher

[drifting moat]

That's not exactly what I meant

[quasi narwhal]

tbh if some modpacks properly monkey patched mods to make them work with the pack instead of changing root scripts from said mods we'd be much better off

[simple scaffold]

yes, extending other ppls mods is a good reason for monkey patching. I would prefer that ppl submit a feature request to me so that i can add an actual api call tho.

[quasi narwhal]

a huge issue with modpacks is the creators not knowing shit about code, then proceeding to change the scripts of a mod instead of overwriting their behavior with monkey patching, dxml and such

[drifting moat]

Yeah that's what I meant with keeping credit.

[simple scaffold]

mags redux is designed to be extended in several ways.

[drifting moat]

But then how can you view the code as a whole? If a modpacks scripts have been monkey patched multiple times

Then that leads to even more newbir confusion especially with ppl who have little to no coding experience

[quasi narwhal]

you will never see the code as a whole, but for example

say GAMMA had Mags Redux turned on
the with a higher priority they had a "GAMMA Mags Redux" mod on too

you'd know that

Mags Redux = Anomaly
GAMMA Mags Redux = patches to make Mags Redux work with GAMMA

[drifting moat]

Yeah that's another side of the coin for sure. I get that point totally

[quasi narwhal]

it's the same as separating code in different files

[drifting moat]

You're completely right

[quasi narwhal]

or using inheritance with overwriting methods

it's like you'd be inheriting Mags Redux to patch it right

[celest forge]

Yeah that pretty much, since people have built upon the old versions of MR for gamma instead of using the current versions, it leads to a myriad of issues

[quasi narwhal]

but then again like

[celest forge]

And as we see people blame Raven instead of whoever did those monkeypatched on old, unsupported versions lol

[quasi narwhal]

that requires a decent understanding of separation of concerns and shit from the developer

otherwise they're adding a useless monkey patch that will just increase the complexity

[drifting moat]

Yeah. Would be awesome to have a structure. I thought before actually starting to dig deeper that ppl view pull requests and actually filter the quality and such

Well some scripts are nicely built with the right OOP principles. Like the backpack script. That was nice to read

[quasi narwhal]

yeah, I'm usually more functional programming oriented, but them Lua classes do be nice to work with

[drifting moat]

I come from C# bg so I guess that was the first paradigm I did some cool shit hence why I prefer it. But I saw both paradigms done nicely

[drifting moat]

I actually have a kinda love/hate relationship with Lua. It gives you a lot of freedom, but oh boy you can cook spaghetti with it

I guess a perfect language for functional programming?

[fair canopy]

Partially my fault. The moddb version was left in the dust for the longest time so github seemed like the most reliable place to get the latest version

[misty mulch]

I asked about this and apparently it's just OneKey

[simple scaffold]

lua doesn't have classes. the luabind library fakes a class like inheritance system to allow better interfacing with C++ but even it's "classes" are just tables.

true lua OOP is done with just meta tables.

[quasi narwhal]

well I guess that's because Lua doesn't have much syntax sugar in it

[misty mulch]

And onekey author is long since inactive

[quasi narwhal]

yeah i know that

I was referring to the classes in Anomaly itself

[quasi narwhal]

I wouldn't say a perfect "functional" programming language because it lacks a bunch of cool stuff from such languages like piping operators, pattern matching and so on

[simple scaffold]

what does it do?

[quasi narwhal]

also I'll never call it perfect because it's not typed

[drifting moat]

Yeah lua in itself has like 30 keywords or something

[quasi narwhal]

but it is quite effective and robust for scripting

[simple scaffold]

lua has pattern matching. it isn't full regex as it is only single pass. its like single pass regex. regexlite

[fair canopy]

Moves Mag check, jam status, and reload to one key by using the variable keys, also adds a fake mag check to guns without mag check anim

[quasi narwhal]

nah I meant pattern matching like in Elixir or Haskell

like casing pattern matching with tables and such

let x = 1;

match x {
  1 => println!("one"),
  2 => println!("two"),
  3 => println!("three"),
   _ => println!("anything"),
}

like this in Rust for example

[simple scaffold]

and why does that require modifying the magazine script?

[simple scaffold]

oh, switch statements.

[drifting moat]

Can't this just be done in a few minutes using "dictionaries"?

[fair canopy]

As far as I can tell the fake mag check was baked into the mags script. As to why I have no idea

[quasi narwhal]

yeah, but not exactly like switch still

switch tests for a literal value, while pattern matching will test via structures

[quasi narwhal]

I mean, it's essentially a lookup

local lookup = {
  [1] = "one",
  [2] = "two",
  --- ...
}

local x = lookup[1] or "anything"

but then you're allocating in-memory all possible results

not the case with pattern matching too

ofc this example could be a normal list, I'm just showcasing the matching against keys/values

[drifting moat]

Oh I got you.

[quasi narwhal]

not that that's an issue though

it isn't 99.99999% of the time

creating lookup tables is fine, especially if you don't want to allocate some shit in runtime and leave it there to be accessed

buuut this the type of shit that Lua makes you do by hand, when in some other languages you have operators/syntax sugar for it

[drifting moat]

You can use hashes if it's ever an issue.

But yeah I guess we all just miss some stuff that our favourite languages have

[simple scaffold]

as close as i can make it.

function match(test)
  return function(table)
          local func = table[test] or table._
          if func then func() end
         end
end
          


local x = 1
match(x) {
  [1] = function() print "one" end,
  [2] = function() print "two" end,
  [3] = function() print "three" end,
  _ = function() print "def" end,
}

well that's not true. i could get rid of the function() and end using load string but that sacrifices lexical scoping.

there is extra memory over head for defining each of those functions, compared to a proper keyword like you said.

[quasi narwhal]

yep, I believe that's the optimal way of doing something like that with pure Lua

it does look nice though

idk, I guess it'd be useful for some use cases in which you're gonna fire a function on every case either way, but that's one hell of an edge case lol

[simple scaffold]

It's completely worthless for anything other than showing off with obscure Lua syntax

[simple scaffold]

the fact that foo "bar" "baz" {1,1,2,3,5} can be a perfectly valid line of lua code is very amusing to me.

[drifting moat]

What. What's this line supposed to do?

[sturdy plaza]

alright, well, i fixed the magazine issue for myself. thanks to all the people who were guiding me how to do it. im just stupid enough to not do it properly or ask the wrong people about it, because i dont know better

[sturdy plaza]

may i ask for your help regarding the ammo wheel? im really curious figuring out how to edit the ammo wheel selecable options. considering i want to use and change up the old ammo wheel with all the old ammo options in it

[simple scaffold]

what ever i want it to.

http://tpcg.io/_WKTB2P

[quasi narwhal]

wait i never realized that created an iterator

the fuck kinda syntax is that

[simple scaffold]

mags redux makes this more dificult than it needs to be by replacing the ammo wheel rather than extending it. (i was in experienced once) [and am still lazy]

[quasi narwhal]

Civet allows function calls that omit (), so doing foo "bar" "baz" is the same as foo("bar", "baz")
implicitly iterating over arguments for each function call is crazy though lol

[simple scaffold]

a function that takes only one parameter can be called without using parentheses when being passed a string literal (aka quoted string in the code, not a variable) or a table constructor (aka {something})

so that line calls foo("bar")

then because foo returns a function (it returns itself) that becomes foo("bar")("baz") and then foo("bar")("baz") ({1,1,2,3,5})

[quasi narwhal]

wait nvm, i didnt realize it was returning the function reference at the end

[simple scaffold]

not quite in lua. you can only pass a single string or table literal without (), i just cheat by making the function retun a function so i can chain them

[simple scaffold]

https://www.lua.org/pil/5.html

[quasi narwhal]

yeah, I know you can pass tables and strings omitting (), I always like to do foo [[some_literal]], I guess I just never realized chaining their calls like that would still obey the rule

[simple scaffold]

this is a more interesting use of it and closer to how i might use it in actual code

#╙🖇mods-making-discussion message

[quasi narwhal]

I guess any language that allows function calls without () and supports first class functions is doomed to that exact example

[drifting moat]

Okay this was completely new info

[quasi narwhal]

this is a good example: https://gist.github.com/cwarden/1207556

using a function passing a single table as argument to make it look like an operator followed by a block of code

[sturdy plaza]

can i please be at least pointed where i need to look to understand a bit more about the ammo wheel? 😦

[drifting moat]

Clever one too.

[simple scaffold]

it can be fun to write nonsensical code this way

because each xray script is it's own namespace with a this variable pointong to itself. you can do thing like

function call(func)
  if type(this[func]) == "function" then
    return function(param) this[func](unpack(param)) end
  else
    return function printf("call:&s not a function", func) end
  end
end


function baz(x,y,z)
  printf("x:%s, y:%s, z%s"), x,y,z)
end

-- then call all your functions like this and make ppl question if this is even lua any more
call "baz" {1,2,3}

bonus points if call is actually in another script and you just have local call = somescript.call at the top of your script. that is actualy way more complicated, not imposibe, but beyound the scope of a quip

[random fulcrum]

esoteric lua

[drifting moat]

Using your knowledge to teach ppl how to write spaghetti code. The true evil

[simple scaffold]

code should be self documenting and clear. which means that you should always use () to call functions in lua

[drifting moat]

And name functions, variables in a way that helps with understanding. Especially in the context of modding here since it requires a lot of reverse engineering

[random fulcrum]

[simple scaffold]

you would love the code i wrote for demonized to monkey patch a script so that when that script, and only that script, read db.actor.radiation it got 0, but any other time that script used db.actor it worked normally.

I can also write a patch that changes how one function in fool.script works only when called from bar.script, any other script will call it normally.

these things are not in the monkey patching guide because i a) want to protect your sanity, b) want to keep the cool code to myself, c) am too lazy to update the guide, d) all of the above

[random fulcrum]

ooh that sounds like an extremely cool gimmick

[fathom wagon]

Me thinking about catching getting k_ap stats in GAMMA/ArtiGrok and being able to modify it (for a perk) before it gets returned to the damage calcs. Sounds like it could be a hassle though.

[teal compass]

So I tried again, I am standing in the middle of the map, spawned cz807, and at the instant I draw out the cz807, it throws me a loading screen to swamps

[random fulcrum]

that's fucked you can't do it without modifying grok_bo.script

[fathom wagon]

The thought came up reading what Raven said about that monkey-script modifying the return value of db.actor.radation for only a specific script.

[random fulcrum]

ye the thing is that k_ap is a local that's setup within npc_on_before_hit

[floral sparrow]

hey how to edit skill system levels because i started a new game+ so i dont want to grind those levels again!!!!!!

[quasi narwhal]

is that the metatable hack you shared the other day

[floral sparrow]

please!!!

[quasi narwhal]

!!!!!!

[teal compass]

I tried to check log but I dont see anything special ```Spawned item [wpn_cz_bren_807] (20496) inside invetory
Time continual is:244813

• Unregister UI: UIDebugISpawner
  Time continual is:246183
• Register UI: UIInventory
  0.19285714285714
  0
  0.19285714285714
  0
  asdf: 0
  build_desc_footer for object id 20232
• Unregister UI: UIInventory
  Time continual is:248439

SAVING: level_weather | cycle: foggy - preset: w_foggy3 - is_underground: false - weather_storage size: 0

SAVING: Water deprivation | last_drink: 0

SAVING: NPC items | number of saved npcs: 0

SAVING: Sleep deprivation | last_sleep: 0

SAVING: Gameplay - Actor Friendly Fire and Surrender Stats

• Saving spawns...
• Saving objects...
• 19888 objects are successfully saved
• Game Player - autosave.scop is successfully saved to file 'd:/anomaly/bin/..\appdata\savedgames\player - autosave.scop'

• Disconnect
  clearing object 6069, zat_b39_af_fuzz_kolobok from m_data
• Destroying level```

[drifting moat]

Why would you need to do that? I mean the "mocked" db.actor.radiation? Also when did you start to mod gamma/stalker?

[quasi narwhal]

imagine if you had 2 different scripts that damaged the player based on the radiation value on every update, then you started taking doubled radiation damage because of that
though both those scripts had something nice you wanted to keep, so getting rid of both isn't an option
so you just change the value of the radiation for 1 of the scripts, so it'd always ignore it/do nothing with it, while still keeping the other features

or imagine a script called a global/shared function, and you wanted to change what that function returns only for that script

that way all the other 1000 scripts calling the same global/shared function wouldn't be impacted -- just the one you patched

[sturdy plaza]

if i use old radial menu, how can i change the old ammo icons to something else, different kind of ammo?

[teal compass]

is this even validlaser_status = falser

found it in cz807's ltx and wondering if some syntax error could be there

[quasi narwhal]

yeah that's the proper syntax for Southern US LTX Standard

booleans are truther and falser

[random fulcrum]

there's just no correlation as to why that would make you change map

but no it isn't valid

[teal compass]

which is I'm trying to figure out

[simple scaffold]

the second one. the first one is similar but more complicated due to db.actor being a game object that has functions called on it. it also isn't perfict if that script passed db.actor to an engine function it would probably crash. but since it was a core anomaly script we knew it wasn't doing that. also db.actor gets passed to very few things.

[drifting moat]

Okay. Thanks for clarification. I mean I knew it had good reason behind it. Just couldn't imagine what could be

[simple scaffold]

changing the way radiation is handled such that having a non zero value wasn't a big deal and was very common. but the fast travel script blocks fast travel if you have more than 0 radiaiton.

[simple scaffold]

the ltx readers only consider 1 and true to be true, everything else is considered false, (unless it is one of the readers that supports defaults, then nil and only nil is replaced by the default value.)

so flaser would work for false.

[simple scaffold]

fall of 2020 right around when anomaly 1.5.1 came out and made all the old anomaly mods break.

[teal compass]

ok that makes sense thx

[simple scaffold]

Arti just put his custom ammo into the old ammo sections.

otherwise you need to rewrite the UI. it honestly might be easier to adapt Aoldri or Harus radial menu code than the ammo wheel.

hmmmm. that is a good idea actualy.

[sturdy plaza]

that is actually exactly what would suffice, putting my custom ammo in old ammo sections. just because i need more than 3 options

the question is how to do it, because i cant find anything at all for that

[drowsy cloud]

Hey, I've been trying to make my own loadscreen description mod, only problem is that I'd need to add 109 individual ones. Can someone of u guys tell me where I can find the script that controls how many loadscreens it actually reads? 🙂 it shows "is_tip_loadscreennumber" if I haven't created one

[simple scaffold]

this is what arti did. I think you should be safe to do the same becuase gamma uses groks balistsics not arti's

https://github.com/ahuyn/anomaly-ballistics/blob/master/arti_ballistics/gamedata/configs/items/weapons/weapon_ammo.ltx#L66

[simple scaffold]

https://github.com/Tosox/STALKER-Anomaly-gamedata/blob/32a985509b2d6abc652d1571fe50de5a84c52dd4/gamedata/scripts/loadscreen.script

[drowsy cloud]

you're a legend thank you
I just need to change the local_tip_count to my number right?

[drifting moat]

Damn so almost 5 years. Good stuff. Knowing the domain is important when developinf, but here it's amplified. That alone must save countless hours/days of time while modding.

[simple scaffold]

yeah. and then include the edited script with your mod. it is unlikely anyone else edit that same script. or if they are they are doing the same thing you are so would be an obvious conflict.

[drowsy cloud]

perfect seems to work, was a bit confused since UI Overhaul + Tales use a different amount of lines w/o including a script 🙂

[simple scaffold]

that and a talent for doing bulk text searches. i don't have the scripts and engine api memorized but i have a good idea of what has been done and where to find it.

[simple scaffold]

as long as they are less than the script they could ahve just duplicated some.

there is a way to monkey patch it the script but not worth the effort since it wouldn't be any more compatable than a direct edit and way harder to debug.

[drowsy cloud]

okay thank you, it seems to work now 🙂

[drifting moat]

Yeah that is extremely helpful. When I was looking at how to delete something I stumbled upon alife.release thought it had to do something with memory management... then when I realized in another script clear as day that it's actually delete I tried it not knowing it's "async" (not exactly I know). So that took some time to realize.

[simple scaffold]

and because of that it can crash NPCs due to a deep bug in the script AI system so there exist safe_release_manager.script for releasing NPCs.

[sturdy plaza]

so , using this as a example to spawn my own made ammo instead of old ammo, but i just got a crash which doesnt make much sense to me atm. tho, i made it other way around than in the example you sent me.

here is a example
[ammo_5.45x39_ps]:ammo_5.45x39_ep_old

[drifting moat]

Oh I was managing static stuff not level. Player inventory to be more precise

[simple scaffold]

what arti did was take the section for the old ammo [ammo_9x18_fmj_bad] and change all the fields in it so that it would become his new ammo. change the name, the icon, the penetrarion, price, ect ect. the only thing that is the same it the section name. so artis' 9x18 +P+ internal to the game is called [ammo_9x18_fmj_bad]

[drifting moat]

Well the problem was I had a stack of stuff. I took 1 did some stuff then deleted the item and wanted to get another item of the same type from the stack, but I got back literally the same object I "deleted"

[sturdy plaza]

yeah, i got the idea, but i got a error of immunities which is a bit odd. i assume i have forgotten something

Can't find variable immunities_sect in [ammo_5.45x39_ps]

[simple scaffold]

yeah, server objects and game objects update async from eachother, 99% of the time you will want to maipulate the game object, but you spawn and delete server objects and that means a bunch of delayed code with time events.

[drifting moat]

Yeah I learned that the hard way

[simple scaffold]

well ammo_5.45x39_ps would be a new section, not a rebuild of an old section.

[sturdy plaza]

ah, alright, so i cant have the name i want to ingame. which i assume also means the game will despawn it since it has old ammo despawn thing or whatever it does with it

[simple scaffold]

old ammo depawn is for very_bad aka broken. not bad. unless gamma has an aditonal old ammo despawner. if that's the case patch it to ignore yours.

[sturdy plaza]

let me try couple of things. ill def give that a shot

[simple scaffold]

you can't have the name you want internaly. but what the player sees you can change.

it's not an ideal solution but when you consider that arti wanted to add a new 9x18 ammo type and would have had to edit every gun that uses 9x18 to actualy add a new ammo section and recode the ammo wheel. repourposing the old ammo was easier and cleaner

[sturdy plaza]

i can see why, but i encountered a weird problem. cant load the custom ammo in a gun. i wouldnt care to add the ammo to every weapon and magazine type, my only last stop was the ammo wheel to make it all "easy" to work

[simple scaffold]

guns can only use ammo in their list. nothing can change that. infact if you reduce an NPC's gun's ammo list mid play thrru every time that NPC is loaded the game crashes.

that is why you generaly only see all new ammo along with all new guns.

the other option is to modify an ammo already in the guns ammo list like arti did.

or you have to edit every single gun. and mags redux base type

[sturdy plaza]

im ware of what you talking about, i just have not added it to any of the npc's loadout to be selectable yet. for now im just testing stuff and what not

[simple scaffold]

what the ammo wheel. and mags redux, does is tell the gun use this index in your ammo list next time you reload. there is no way from lua to tell the gun to load ammo any other way. and if you did get a different ammo name into engines half baked psudo magazine system, when it goes to update it's internal ammo index and that ammo isn't in it's list it crashes.

[sturdy plaza]

i have already done that part

and old ammo was in the list to begin with

[simple scaffold]

yes. that is why it is a safer/simpler way to do things.

[sturdy plaza]

idk, it actually worked. i added the ammo to mags and guns, i could safely reload and do whatever. it just wasnt in the ammo wheel

and god damnit, im a moron. the prefix for "old" is "bad"

and there is some sort of a script which replaces all bad ammo with new

[simple scaffold]

that is gamma, i don't know where. base anomaly only does it to verybad

you find that script and patch it so that if it is one of your ammo's it ignores it.

[sturdy plaza]

i found it, but its all lua

where it finds the prefix of bad and changes it to new

so i dont think i can exclude my own made stuff

[simple scaffold]

this lineif _NO_DAMAGED_AMMO and string_find(section,"_bad") then ?

[sturdy plaza]

gimmie a sec

[random fulcrum]

damaged ammo are the _verybad ones

_bad are old

[sturdy plaza]

-- Replace damaged ammo with new
if _NO_DAMAGED_AMMO and string_find(section,"_bad") then
local new_section = string_gsub(section,"_bad","")
if ini_sys:section_exist(new_section) then
alife_release(obj)
alife_create_item(new_section, npc, {ammo = size})
--printf("~ replaced [%s] with [%s]", section, new_section)
return

[random fulcrum]

i'm an idiot

[simple scaffold]

local skiplist = {ammo_9x18_fmj_bad = true, ammo_5.45x39_ep_bad = true}

if _NO_DAMAGED_AMMO and string_find(section,"_bad") and not skiplist[section] then

this change for a direct edit.

[random fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/mutsumiwakaba-avemujica-matchingpfpavemujica-gif-4109280936974463686

[sturdy plaza]

so it finds very bad and changes that to new and then finds just bad and changes it to new

[simple scaffold]

monkey patch is is more complicated. but direct edit is literaly just making that skip list and adding a check for it right at that point in the script

[sturdy plaza]

now i had no idea about this skip list option, huh

[simple scaffold]

make sure the skip list has the right names.

[simple scaffold]

it doesn't exist, i'm showing you how to make it exist

with a messy direct edit, but this is gamma that's normal and a clean monkey patch would be anoying to implement.

[sturdy plaza]

thanks for the idea, now the question is where do i add it properly to not fuck the whole file

you can see how much of a pro i am at editing this by usind readme to look at that

but would that be the correct place to add it in there?

right, i didnt even do it correctly

[sturdy plaza]

how to say this....i broke the whole script file. sorry for disappointing you, but i dont know where exactly to add the changes

[random fulcrum]

you typo'd the =

[sturdy plaza]

i noticed it myself in the end, changed it, but that still didnt fix the issue

[random fulcrum]

did you try running the script in the console

that tells you exactly where you fucked up

i'm sure it's because the addresses in the table aren't in brackets and quotations

but i'm unsure on that claim

i.e. they should be ["ammo_5.45x39_fmj_bad"] = true

[sturdy plaza]

i know absolutely 0 about coding in general, oh god....let me try

is this how you think it should look like?

[random fulcrum]

yeah but just run the script in the console

while you're in debug

run_script (name of the script)

[sturdy plaza]

god damn, it worked, its works

holy hell

[random fulcrum]

well the more you know

now implement inventory tetris into anomaly

or don't speak ever again in this channel

[sturdy plaza]

i mean, new issue of adding a the "old" in front the ammo name ingame, but i can live with that or fix it myself, assuming its just in the ammo.xtl.

and....i know nothing about lua or coding no way i can implement that lol

but wanted to say big thanks to you faust and raven for dealing with such a moron like me

and actually helping

[random fulcrum]

nah that's dynamically inserted into the name

i don't remember where

but it's done dynamically

regardless of the item's name in the xml

[sturdy plaza]

oh for god sake

[simple scaffold]

Either works. No quotes or brackets and quotes are the same.

[simple scaffold]

Yeah it's another dumb patch. Can probably steal Arti's tho

[random fulcrum]

that's why i was unsure

[simple scaffold]

This one.

You need to remove all the double dashes

https://github.com/ahuyn/anomaly-ballistics/blob/9969358df85c100f57642d4a7d543d4082238526/gamedata/scripts/a_name_patch.script

[random fulcrum]

i do remember coming across tables like that before, if vaguely

[simple scaffold]

Since gamma nukes all old ammo can actually simplify that script a bit. So it just runs all the time. I'm on my phone so not right now.

[sturdy plaza]

i got it, removed all the double dashes and it didnt help sadly

also, noticed there is a extra jam change script with old ammp

[calm geyser]

so i just finally managed to put the okp on the ak74m duty but none of the moving parts are working animation wise. (doesn't grab mag/piston stays forward while shooting/etc.) does anyone know what the problem is?

[celest forge]

Animation lines in the hud section are messed up probably

[random fulcrum]

why is bro inside the sister location night 4 suit

[calm geyser]

what am I doing wrong?

[storm kindle]

Im trying to blacklist Arti's Ammo Maker stuff from showing up on my traders, but somehow it goes through my filters in trade_presets. Im having a hard time finding the alias he used to load them.

[celest forge]

Why is it a txt file

Should be ltx

[calm geyser]

ik i copied it into a txt so you wouldn't have to download it lol

[simple scaffold]

Yeah I realized after it needs other changes. As written it only works on Arti's ammo.

[simple scaffold]

He is loading them via a script not trade preset. He is spawning the stuff directly in the traders inventory

[storm kindle]

Omg I was afraid so. There are so many of these magical objects

😭😭😭

He is the only one who would know its name

Stalker modding much esoteric

[storm kindle]

Managed to find a LTX file but still cant filter. I at the limit of my wits here...

[storm kindle]

lmao I dont have discord on my PC, I just built the PC this week, I need to pass a lan cable and buy a router, cut me some slack

I dont want to tether the phone, because I use it for other stuff.

It gave me a good chuckle though

I give up, demonized scripts are too stronk for me. 😫

[drifting moat]

https://tenor.com/view/minion-minions-okay-thumbs-up-gif-25716426

[south cobalt]

hey guys, do anyone of you know where I can find the folder for the AK 74 PMC and the AK103?

I am attempting to editing the scope options on the AK103 so it can take more scope similar to the AK 74 PMC or any other AK 74M variants

[fair inlet]

ak103 should already have same scopes as ak74

[south cobalt]

no, not really, AK74 has way more scope options for the WP faction. However, the AK103 only has 3 options, those are PSO-1M, Kobra, and the 1P29, and those are really terrible.

[sturdy plaza]

Ak74 pmc should be located under bas. Adding more scopes is a huge pain because you will need to go in blender to position it properly as the game treats each scope version for a gun as a whole new gun

[south cobalt]

well, not necessarily the ak74 pmc, the normal ak74m is fine. But I am intended to add only 1 scope, not many of them.

but if the situation requires, then I just need to know where the files are

[sturdy plaza]

Well, usually its gametada/configs/items/weapons. , i think, i dont remember it perfectly from the top of my head

But even then, adding new scopes isnt as simple as just adding a option in the ltx

I assume the 103 is vanilla anomaly

[south cobalt]

it's fine, I would be following the video guide from Jmerc

[sturdy plaza]

Fair enough, best of luck

[south cobalt]

yea, I already figured out adding more scopes is a pain in the ass, but it would be worthwhile in the end.

[sturdy plaza]

For just 1 yeah, why the hell not. I can agree on that.

Tho, considering the 103 model, you cant add much more than what is already in there if you think of adding the magical dovotail mount so you can put any nato dot or scope on it. Otgerwise that shit will be just floating on the dust cover or look like its welded on

[south cobalt]

💀 where do I find the weapon folder?

[sturdy plaza]

Well, its usually all hidden, you got to use the unpacker in anomaly install for it to unpack and show all the gamedata. But idk, i think just taking it from there would override some stuff gamma has edited if anything about its stats. So for just yourself, use the mod orginiser and search for the file. I assume the name should be wpn_ak103

[south cobalt]

cheers

well I can't seem to find it even on MO, weird.

[sturdy plaza]

Actually, check ak reanimation mod. I think that overrides most basic ak's in the game.

[covert pivot]

weapon configuration files are like w_*.ltx

[south cobalt]

I need to add a scope, so I would need meshes, where can I find the directory folder?

[summer stream]

do not forget :

if you will do it wrong
it will destruct itself within a second when you put it on a gun

[fair inlet]

couldn't screenshot details tab because pressing any key closes it

[south cobalt]

Whut the fuck, in my game it only shows 3

[south cobalt]

How?? There is only 1 AK 103 in this game

[fair inlet]

not really, only wpn_ak103 has 3dss support

[south cobalt]

i'm currently playing on DX9, maybe that's the reason?

[fair inlet]

yes, 3dss is not available on dx9

[south cobalt]

but there shouldn't be any reason for the ak103 to refuses the remaining WP scopes

where as my other AKs still capable of attaching them

in fact, most of the bareboned AK 762 in my game can only capble of attaching up to 3 scopes only

[lilac idol]

that's probably because 3dss is the one that adds them

[summer stream]

yes

3dss adds a lot of scopes to other guns

[south cobalt]

[simple scaffold]

the windows snip tool has a delay option. you can set it to 30 seconds, switch back to the game and bring up the info window.

[plucky veldt]

Idk if best place to ask, but could someone tell me how to switch the scope on an M98B from the modded version which I believe is the 3d scope one, to just being a normal scope UI like the "Spectre Scope" is. Where it takes up the whole screen. Trying to make it work with Beef's NVGs and the thermal mod as well.

[simple scaffold]

local gc = game.translate_string
function ui_item.build_name_first(obj, sec, str) -- no obj used
    str = str or gc(ini_sys:r_string_ex(sec,"inv_name"))
    if (not str) then return "" end
    
    local _str = ""
    if is_empty(str_tbl) then
        refresh_strings()
    end    
    str = _str .. str
    
    return str
end

this is actually all you need since gamma has no old (_bad) or broken (_verybad) we can just remove the name change completely.

[simple scaffold]

why gamma would have that when old ammo was removed makes no sense. If there is a script that only does that then include a file with that name that simply has one line --feature disable

[sturdy plaza]

No, its a lot worse

I found it, its a script which calculates jam and damage of guns overall. They it does it is by constantly checking for old ammo which has its own values when calculating overall jam chance and damage. So i cant disable it all, but i went in with my super limited understanding of it and simply deleted the of old ammo being taken in consideration at all

[fair canopy]

The specter scope should be 3dss for any gamma weapon

[plucky veldt]

Is there any way to force a certain reticle onto a gun with an inegrated scope then?

[fair canopy]

Because the ak family is overwriting the bas aks which added some scopes to them. And I wasn't adding scopes for non 3dss support

[fair canopy]

Just remove 3dss at that point

A lot of guns have scopes which don't have the texture configuration to work in 2dss. Nor do they have the xml files for them

[south cobalt]

so, is there an alternative way to add scopes to them without breaking the dx9 anomaly?

[fair canopy]

Setup the scope textures for each gun that I added new scopes to

[sturdy plaza]

I thought about this and considering i probably wont go through every single caliber in the game i actually rather leave it so the script which changes it to new ammo works. I guess maybe im only now thinking it would be better, but got to work on it and see how it works out. Meanwhile i found the shit which changes the prefix adding the "old" in front of it ingame and i realised if i change it to "harambe" , the game will display it as harambe 7.62x39 and so on for old ammo overall. I intend to mask the fact its old ammo while letting the game do its work with all the ones i uave not touched. Im sorry if i wasted your time making that script.

[south cobalt]

care to elaborate?

[fair canopy]

Can't. I'm at work

[south cobalt]

very well.

[simple scaffold]

the nodes here match lines in the gun sections. i suspect gamma has extended this file, this is base anomaly version.

[south cobalt]

need to learn a lot

[sturdy plaza]

Same.....

[celest forge]

work

LOOK AT THIS FUCKING LOSER

[summer stream]

which gets money for his work

[celest forge]

Thanks that was the joke

[summer stream]

we are the one who gets no money

the chads

[fair canopy]

[teal compass]

me at school:

[storm kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/shuzo-matsuoka-motivation-dont-give-up-gif-17126538999808373472

Thanks, I'm still trying!

[sturdy plaza]

how can i disable magazines being spawned in only trader inventories from the magazines_loot script?

[misty mulch]

@sturdy plaza presumably you comment this bit out inside magazines_loot.script

since that is the "tell the game to make traders stock magazines" snippet

[sturdy plaza]

dumb question, how do i turn that into a comment instead of like of code? im sorry, i know nothing about coding

nvm, i figured how a comment looks there and just did the two --

[misty mulch]

--[[
function trader_autoinject.update(npc)
    TraderAuto(npc)
    CreateTimeEvent("restock_mags" .. npc:id(), "restock_mags" .. npc:id(), 0.01, function() 
        stock_mags(npc) 
        return true 
    end)
end
--]] 

[sturdy plaza]

yea, still thanks for the info

[misty mulch]

it's adding --[[ and --]] at the top and bottom of the block

that comments it out

turns the whole block into a comment, comments are not "read" by the computer, therefore it is a safe way to disable sections of a script without outright deleting shit

[sturdy plaza]

understood

[misty mulch]

(different programming languages have different ways to do comments, for LUA script files it's --[[ --]] or -- for single lines, for LTX configs it's adding ; to the beginning of the comment)

[sturdy plaza]

yeah, i figured out the ltx stuff. the tutorial or modding guide or whatever it was in the pinned messages explains that very well there

[misty mulch]

ah yw glad it helped

[vast plaza]

What am I doing wrong?

I would like to make a multiuse item out of ducttape. Here are my changes:

![duct_tape]
kind = i_tool
cost = 750
inv_weight = 0.1
empty_weight = 0.01
use_condition = true
script_binding = bind_item.bind
max_uses = 5
remove_after_use = true

[sturdy plaza]

how is damage calculated in gamma? just damage

gun damage x ammo damage? or there are tons of other variables between it?

[misty mulch]

damage in the stat card, or the actual damage done to the target

[misty mulch]

did you read the DLTX guide in the pin? what's your DLTX mod file name, and where is it located

[vast plaza]

Yes,
Filename: mod_system_havoc_new_multiuse_items.ltx
Path: gamedata/configs

The file works, because the costs are 750 now ingame.

[misty mulch]

to be totally honest, i also don't know if you can make a single-use item into a multiuse one purely through editing a single ltx file

[vast plaza]

But that's possible, at least with medical items. I changed the following there and it works.

![antibio_chlor]
cost = 1350
inv_weight = 0.01
boost_time = 300
use_condition = true
script_binding = bind_item.bind
max_uses = 2
empty_weight = 0.001

[worn fiber]

How about changing "remove_after_use = true" to false?

Have you tried that?

[vast plaza]

It works now... Cool. I edited the file 3 times, tested it and the following format worked.

![duct_tape]:booster_multi
$spawn = "devices\repair_kit_10"
can_trade = true
quest_item = false

kind = i_tool
cost = 750
inv_weight = 0.1
empty_weight = 0.01
use_condition = true
script_binding = bind_item.bind
max_uses = 5
remove_after_use = true

Now I still have to test the crafting to see if he actually only uses one "use" to make an item.

[drowsy cloud]

hey, is there a way to change default gamma npc names? for example hog?

[misty mulch]

ngl it's really funny that the parameter is literally remove_after_use = false

[misty mulch]

change the translation string in st_characters.xml. GMTOP is probably providing the overwrite

that is to say GAMMA Massive Text Overhaul Project

[vast plaza]

I think what this means is that the item disappears after complete use (all uses).

[drowsy cloud]

legend thank you