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[long nebula]

but shouldn't x and z also be checked then?

or maybe this is just for if you've climbed to the top of it

i don't know what ANY of this means

    //decide to clamb
    if (!m_elevator_state.Active() && b_valide_wall_contact && (m_contact_count > 1) && (m_wall_contact_normal[1] <
        M_SQRT1_2) && !b_side_contact) //&& dDOT(m_wall_contact_normal,m_ground_contact_normal)<.9f
    {
        //if( dDOT(m_wall_contact_normal,m_ground_contact_normal)<.999999f)
        //dVector3 diff={m_wall_contact_normal[0]-m_ground_contact_normal[0],m_wall_contact_normal[1]-m_ground_contact_normal[1],m_wall_contact_normal[2]-m_ground_contact_normal[2]};
        //if( dDOT(diff,diff)>0.001f)
        if (((m_wall_contact_position[0] - m_ground_contact_position[0]) * m_control_force[0] +
                (m_wall_contact_position[2] - m_ground_contact_position[2]) * m_control_force[2]) > 0.05f &&
            m_wall_contact_position[1] - m_ground_contact_position[1] > 0.01f)
            b_clamb_jump = true;
    }

least they spelled decide right this time

[undone lily]

Wait isn’t that the vaulting system

[long nebula]

isn't that a mod...?

[undone lily]

It is

[long nebula]

or is it baked into the engine exe?

[undone lily]

But it is the modded engine repo

[long nebula]

i kinda assumed that was somehow implemented in lua

[undone lily]

The engine is modded 🙂

[long nebula]

i see.

[undone lily]

Many mods require engine modifications

[long nebula]

oh

it makes

a lot of sense now

[slow bolt]

Oh boy

Grok invited everyone to make this general chat

[long nebula]

sorry :/

[undone lily]

Not really

It just needs one person

[slow bolt]

So I tried scrolling up for 2 minutes. Didn't find the start

[undone lily]

[long nebula]

:3

[undone lily]

Actor.cpp in engine code

Actor.ltx in configs but this is a dead end I think

[long nebula]

-> phsimplecharacter.cpp

[undone lily]

Otherwise it’s map edits but it’s a big no imo

[long nebula]

and another one between them

[undone lily]

Im not sure this only affects actor, but I didn’t check it

[long nebula]

void CPHSimpleCharacter::FootProcess(dContact* c, bool& do_collide, bool bo) ain't that fascinating

[long nebula]

it doesn't

but actor calls it via the movement system

actor tells the movement system what he wants his accel and jump to be

it forwards that to the simple character as an "actual" acceleration

[undone lily]

The only way is to start poking at the code

But compiling the exe takes 4 minutes or so

[long nebula]

oh lorde

[undone lily]

Then booting the game

[long nebula]

release or debug?

[undone lily]

Then testing shit

[cyan shard]

I checked that one and I wasnt very convinced it did something but Im not sure

[undone lily]

Perhaps just release is faster though, also you only need to build 1 exe

[long nebula]

?

[long nebula]

what?

i mean, does debug build or release build take 4 mins

[cyan shard]

I meant FootProcess, sorry my mind is in another place

[undone lily]

Debug

[long nebula]

[undone lily]

Also depends on your cpu though

I have an old 10700KF

[cyan shard]

crazy idea though, what if when you are running up stairs, you have enough momentum that you are actually not touching ground

so instead of foot ground logic, it would check jump collision logic

[long nebula]

i'm gonna have to start doing debug prints to figure this shit out...

[undone lily]

Tbh I’m not sure how the game checks this out

[long nebula]

yeah, i haven't even come into contact with that logic

unless it was in input handling?

[undone lily]

[long nebula]

it uh

could be

    if (!(mstate_real & mcFall) && (character_physics_support()->movement()->Environment() == CPHMovementControl::
        peInAir))
    {
        m_fFallTime -= dt;
        if (m_fFallTime <= 0.f)
        {
            m_fFallTime = s_fFallTime;
            mstate_real |= mcFall;
            mstate_real &= ~ mcJump;
        }
    }

excerpt from g_cl_CheckControls

called before g_Physics by actor.cpp

[undone lily]

Hum i think this controls the jump / fall off

[long nebula]

this is where the acceleration vector is populated based on input

[long nebula]

defo, just saying it does some processing with falling

[undone lily]

Yes because you need to check your fall time and power to determine fall damage

[long nebula]

nvm

doesn't look like it

[long nebula]

uhhhh

i think that's also handled in the movement thing?

[undone lily]

But I know that if you move too fast, the slightest geometry bump will deal damage to you

[rough arch]

I made a mod for personal use that just replaces the entire UI png for GAMMA because I don't know how else to replace one specific sprite in it, this feels like a very inefficient way of achieving this, is there any method i can use that is less likely to be broken if a new item gets added?

[long nebula]

from the big magical calculate

that takes accel

[undone lily]

Like Redline jacket + Lucifer artefact + very low weight = you can take damage while running

[long nebula]

you might surpass fMinCrashSpeed...?

i can't follow this callback, it goes into lua

[undone lily]

Yes definitely. These are defined in actor.ltx

Min crash speed and max crash speed

But again, this is inly about dealing damage to actor when speed is too fast

[long nebula]

welp, i'm glad i'm looking at code that defo runs at least :)

[undone lily]

It’s not about being slowdown because you meet a rail

Yep for sure

[long nebula]

there's a bunch of landing states too actually

[undone lily]

Xray modding goes like: find relevant code, start poking it with absurd values to see how it works \ if it changes something

[long nebula]

in the actor movement cpp

maybe i should bark up that tree too

[undone lily]

Since I suck at C++ I have hard time editing the engine 😦

[worn fiber]

Look at the time of announcement and consider anything after that to be related to the topic more or less.

[long nebula]

hm, landing time field just clears jump, fall and landing state

which might be relied on by other parts of the state machine

[undone lily]

Could be related to state actually you are right

[long nebula]

there could be a million things here :)

[undone lily]

Player meets geometry > state changes > speed is reset

[long nebula]

question for the people that are more into gamma than me

do you have any control of your velocity after jumping?

[worn fiber]

Yes.

[long nebula]

lobely

[worn fiber]

There is a separate parameter for that.

It's small in gamma.

[summer girder]

Resisting the need to post TF2 Air Strafe Paper/Guide

[undone lily]

What do you mean ? I think that pressing the opposite direction slows you down a bit yes

[long nebula]

i'm trying to figure out where that's applied

[worn fiber]

air_control_param

[long nebula]

but i feel like i've gotten way sidetracked

[worn fiber]

From actor.ltx

[undone lily]

I think so too xD . I’m not sure it’s about air control

[worn fiber]

I agree.

[undone lily]

@long nebula you can check the actor.ltx variable names

Let me find it

[worn fiber]

If you increase the value, you can actually accelerate mid-air.

Of perform an air break.

[undone lily]

https://github.com/Grokitach/Stalker_GAMMA/blob/main/G.A.M.M.A/modpack_addons/158- ABF - Jurkonov/gamedata/configs/creatures/actor.ltx

[worn fiber]

Line 36.

[long nebula]

👍

is there a guide for compiling the engine?

[undone lily]

No but I can definitely help you for that

[long nebula]

do i need VS?

[undone lily]

You need VS2022

[long nebula]

nvm, i like having that debugger if nothing else

that too

[worn fiber]

Could this be our problem with landing slowdown because the speed is reset on collision with the surface?

[undone lily]

This is from here https://github.com/themrdemonized/STALKER-Anomaly-modded-exes

[worn fiber]

Or did I got it wrong?

This is from PHMovementControl.cpp

[undone lily]

This could very well be. The set speed to 0 seems like it

[long nebula]

you mean contact_speed on line 235?

[worn fiber]

Yes.

So we get a speed reset with each collision.

[undone lily]

Ah wait no

[long nebula]

this isn't applied to movement

[undone lily]

Contact speed is the speed to which you meet the geometry

[long nebula]

least i don't see it being

and that too

[undone lily]

This manages the damage dealt to actor when you are going too fast

[long nebula]

yep

[undone lily]

But the accel reset even happens when you walk

[long nebula]

i don't even know why that's a field tbh :)

[worn fiber]

That's only if your speed is above fMinCrashSpeed.

[long nebula]

yeah

and that's the one place it's read

crashing into shit

[undone lily]

Yes but the engine sets the collision speed to 0 because you met something

Collision speed is just a value defining the power to which you meet a geometry with

This doesn’t apply to the player movement it seems

[long nebula]

yep

[undone lily]

It’s a result of the player movement speed

[slow bolt]

This feels like me and the boys trying to figure out wtf is going on after half a year of skipping class

[undone lily]

Yep

[long nebula]

yep

[undone lily]

@long nebula you need VS2022 + the MFC and ATL libraries

[worn fiber]

After that there is a function for jump path.

[undone lily]

I can guide you through the install of these if needed

[long nebula]

thanks <3

i'll tell you if i need help

[undone lily]

👍

[long nebula]

which i hope to god the player doesn't use

[undone lily]

Just ping me

[nimble thistle]

So basically if you could change the actor value above zero you would be running into a wall like old school third person games right LOL.. but it should fix the complete player slow down.
Another thought was if you could put this through Claude ai and talk to it and explain the situation it might be able to break down the code or fix it. Shrug just a thought

[long nebula]

1. you mean contact speed? ignoring that forever would just mean you never take fall damage
2. no

[nimble thistle]

Oh hmmm ya I see what you mean Bec player fall damage is not separated from movement?

[long nebula]

contact speed is the speed with which 2 objects collide

say a poltergeist chucks a box at you while you're standing still, contact speed is the velocity that that box went with as it hit you

and based on how big that is, you take damage

it has nothing to do with the remaining velocity after landing

[nimble thistle]

Hmmm 🤔 ya you're right. Damn

[long nebula]

lord, this does take forever to compile

[worn fiber]

Are you up for testing something?

Or still figuring out how actor movement works?

[long nebula]

both

[nimble thistle]

I threw this through Claude 3.5 and explain the situation and it actually gave me some positive thoughts.
The code doesn't directly handle object size, but the minimum crash speed (fMinCrashSpeed) could be key. If this value is too low, even small collisions might trigger damage or movement stops.
To address your issue:

You could increase fMinCrashSpeed to ignore smaller impacts.
Implement a separate check for ground collisions vs. object collisions.
Add a threshold for object size or mass in collision detection.
Adjust how fContactSpeed is calculated or applied to allow for more gradual deceleration on small objects.

The current implementation seems to focus on damage calculation rather than movement physics. To prevent instant stops on small objects, you might need to modify the physics system or add more nuanced collision response logic.

[long nebula]

the crash script only handles damage, far as i know

it'd make no sense to have a callback leading out to lua to handle the velocity after landing

[summer girder]

Using AI for Anomaly modding

[long nebula]

this

my trust in ai is approximately 0

[nimble thistle]

Claude is extremely helpful. If you aren't aware it's the best in code ATM

[long nebula]

cool

[cyan shard]

I feel like thats a bit too high

[long nebula]

quite likely

https://ludic.mataroa.blog/blog/i-will-fucking-piledrive-you-if-you-mention-ai-again/

[cyan shard]

I forced myself to use it on vs code generation for a couple weeks, and I just couldnt deal with it anymore

[long nebula]

back to actually fixing this

[open oasis]

i really like the passion of whoever wrote this lmao

[long nebula]

yep

he does pretty good blogs

ended up reading some other ones from him and they were humorous and informative

[slow bolt]

AI

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/926211287057301564.gif?size=48&quality=lossless&name=waiting

[long nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-solid5-cqc-melee-disarm-venom-snake-gif-25558317

[nimble thistle]

Dismissing someone over something you are bias against isn't very respectful. I understand your hesitation but like I said it's extremely helpful for coding.
I had it build out a small object ignore script. It's worth a shot perhaps.

[long nebula]

i don't like proselytizing

nobody fucking asked

[slow bolt]

Dont use it for modding stalker - or you will end up the next meme in channel lore

[nimble thistle]

We are talking about fixing groks problem correct?
To ignore smaller impacts, we can modify the code to introduce a threshold for minimum impact. Here's a proposed solution that incorporates this idea:

I took out the code but kept the breakdown if you wish to read it.

Key changes and explanations:

1. Introduced fMinImpactThreshold: This new variable sets the minimum speed at which we consider an impact significant enough to process.

2. Added a check if (fContactSpeed > fMinImpactThreshold): This ensures that we only process impacts above our new threshold.

3. Moved all calculations inside this new condition: This means smaller impacts (below the threshold) are ignored entirely.

4. For impacts below the threshold, we reset fContactSpeed to 0 and skip all damage calculations.

5. The existing fMinCrashSpeed is still used, but only for impacts that exceed our new threshold. This allows for a range of impacts that are noticeable (above fMinImpactThreshold) but don't cause damage (below fMinCrashSpeed).

This solution should:

• Prevent the character from stopping on very small objects or minor collisions.
• Maintain the existing damage calculation for significant impacts.
• Provide a smoother experience by ignoring negligible collisions.

You can adjust the fMinImpactThreshold value to fine-tune when impacts are considered significant enough to process. A lower value will make the character more sensitive to collisions, while a higher value will ignore more minor impacts.

[summer girder]

Okay go do it and test it out

[long nebula]

maybe if you read code instead of copy pasting it to your llm, you'd know that that won't help

feel free to try it though

i'm sure this is why the actor snags on rails

[nimble thistle]

I was going to send it over to you and see if you could. I'm at work right now. Otherwise I would.

[long nebula]

unless you can argue for why that would in any way help, i won't

[summer girder]

Alright, eagerly waiting for you to go home and post the results of AI modding
Specifically its effects on running up Cordon Bunker stairs

[open oasis]

sorry Dry AI can only go as far as fixing Rostok stairs

[long nebula]

nah, he's got a point, mincrashspeed is currently 12

and max is 25

i'm sure that's somewhere around the walk speed

@undone lily i think i got ATL and MFC working properly (i cloned the engine into its own dir, not sure if that's fine, but it's complaining these DLLs are missing

they are present in sdk/binaries tho, know how to resolve this?

[slow bolt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1255616206589657160.gif?size=48&quality=lossless&name=pepeSip

[undone lily]

Oh that’s weird. Which ATL and MFC did you get ?

[undone lily]

Oh you think the engine throws a meaningful contact every time you meet any geometry ?

[undone lily]

This is actually very easy to test, just increase min_crash_speed in actor.ltx

[nimble thistle]

Yes that's exactly what my theory suggests but the AI said the code is perhaps too basic and not fleshed out enough. That's when I made that code with it. as stated above. I dmed you Grok

[surreal gust]

Yup, this also includes scene objects (static)

[summer girder]

https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396

[remote venture]

This issue is similar to how some sets of stairs snag you but others do not correct?

[stone forge]

Maximum height the player can step over without it being considered “too high” maybe

[worn fiber]

I got another Idea. What if the game thinks that the actor hit the wall first before stepping up the stairs?

Could be a reason for slowing down as well.

Here is an example. If you walk forward, the actor slides to the right along the surface of the brick on the ground instead of stepping up.

[worn fiber]

I tried that with 10 times crash speed. No effect.

[frail loom]

would this not break stairs even more lol

[worn fiber]

How?

[lament wagon]

Solution you might be able to try that I used for Titanfall modding is

• cast 12 rays downwards offset in a circle around the player
• set pos to average of raycast end pos

it was a kludge but it worked

[undone lily]

Min crash speed right ?

[worn fiber]

Both.

Just to be sure.

[undone lily]

Imo it just changes the damage dealt to actor or not

[worn fiber]

My experiment above kind of debunks the chash speed thing.

Or if you try to walk up the cursed stairs in wild territory diagonally, you will slide off from them.

[lament wagon]

you need a variable to integrate the offset over time

otherwise, will result in clipthrough behavior

but this works pretty solidly

[undone lily]

The engine code responsible for player movement is available

[lavish nest]

that seems like a really good solution, but now i'm wondering why isnt it implemented in games like counter strike where its a clip brush shitshow

[undone lily]

https://github.com/themrdemonized/xray-monolith/blob/all-in-one-vs2022-wpo/src/xrGame/Actor.cpp

[undone lily]

Performance

[worn fiber]

The stairs I mentioned. If you walk straight in this direction you will fall to the left of them.

It's like the step up function is not sensitive enough to trigger untill you start pushing up agains the obstacle.

[undone lily]

Did you fix it yet ? I think you might miss some ATL and MFC stuff or not the correct version maybe

[lament wagon]

depends on raycast implementation, but generally yeah

[undone lily]

For Xray for actor it’s fine. For a multiplayer game with high server tick rate, it’s a big no I think

[lavish nest]

right that makes sense

[lament wagon]

absolutely, server raycasts are expensive

easy to do it on the client but the moment that you start doing shit on the server networking gets involved and it's slow as fuck

[lament wagon]

hmm, interesting

[slow bolt]

All you actually have to do is make stairs smoother. Grok did you look at stairs fixes available? They fixed exactly that problem

[worn fiber]

Map editing is a no no.

[slow bolt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1080988163985653820/1080988167886340128/Anomaly_2023.03.02_-_16.55.31.02.DVR.mp4?ex=668bc6ef&is=668a756f&hm=70c6e1653a1dab299be7e6d7873b0ad959e21cf6dfbe0641d4ac916859f5cb1d&

[slow bolt]

See this is why i dont like normies in modding chat

they say stuff like that and even get "upvotes"

[worn fiber]

#╙🖇mods-making-discussion message

[slow bolt]

Where did i say map edits

Do you know how for example "NPCs cant see through foliage" mod works?

[worn fiber]

Never looked into that.

[lament wagon]

lol

[nimble thistle]

So did you make the steps a slope ?

[open oasis]

i am downvoting you good sir

[slow bolt]

#1080988163985653820 message

This worked last time i tried

Which means the problem is fixable without editing the engine

(actor is literally too slow, so that you dont have enough power to walk up the stair)

[undone lily]

This doesn’t work on half the geometry

[slow bolt]

Worked for me a while ago

[undone lily]

Check cordon stairs or rail way

The rail way is a good test

[lament wagon]

where exactly is the stepup func? might have a look, but I'm not familiar with anomaly's codebase

[nimble thistle]

Grok didn't you say you added a Y access to the collision box? To bring it up higher?

[undone lily]

Everything I tried related to hitbox didn’t work

I think accel related things could be a better solution

[worn fiber]

Or the step up function.

[nimble thistle]

I found a solution for the step manager and how big then player steps are with a physics fix aswell

This could be why

[worn fiber]

Placebo effect. Just actor max movement speed adjustment + how much stamina is drained during movement.

[slow bolt]

Gamma slows down player movement. Never thought why gamma has the worst case of stair fatigue?

Slower is realistic. But game wasnt made flexible

[worn fiber]

That doesn't help unfortunately.

[nimble thistle]

These modifications to the step manager aim to:

Increase the tolerance for what's considered a "step".
Smooth out movement over very small obstacles that aren't quite steps.

[slow bolt]

Actually it does. By making the player fast enough to be able to walk over the steps. Game already tackled this before

Or powerful enough tbh

[nimble thistle]

God this code is all over the place

[worn fiber]

So you found the step up function?

[nimble thistle]

Yes

I also have found a lot more that could be tied to this. It's pretty comprehensive.

This comprehensive rewrite includes:

Improved collision detection and avoidance (UpdateCollisionAvoidance function).
Refined movement state handling in shedule_Update and UpdateCL.
Adjusted box collision setup in set_box function.
Enhanced ground check and movement in g_Physics function.
Improved step manager with CheckStepEffect and SmoothMovementOverObstacle functions.
New movement parameters (m_fGroundDelayFactor, m_fAirControlParam, m_fWalkOnSlopesCoef) for better terrain adaptation.
Modified Jump function to work with the physics support.
Overall refinement of physics interactions and movement calculations.

[slow bolt]

boi

you aint taking it slow

[undone lily]

Then increasing walk speed with grok gotta go fast should fix the issue ?

[slow bolt]

For that mod iirc something like that

its been a hot minute since i used it

[worn fiber]

I play with custom movement speed. Faster than vanill GAMMA experiece.

I still get the slowdown.

[hearty meteor]

Could the issue potentially have to do with the modeling of the terrains themselves?

[slow bolt]

Gamma doesnt have different terrain

[thorny bane]

S.T.A.L.K.E.R. has this thing in its movement which basically serves as a "climbing" mechanic, you push against geometry and if it's under knee or waist height it pushes the player upward. Having this in mind, when you come across a staircase and you attempt to walk on it, you're actually "climbing" every single step.

I guess you could fix this by adjusting the movement code, but it would take some time considering the jank floating around the Xray engine. You could also edit every single map with invisible ramp geometries in every staircase ☠️, which would inevitably work, considering how many modern games (even before stalker's release, like half-life 2) use that method to make a smoother stair experience. Or you could somehow make a system to recognise stairs (or lower geometry) across the whole game and facilitate the climbing mechanic there. I run short of solutions aside from these.

[lime comet]

I don't know about you guys, but I think this geometry adds more flavor and "realness" to the world. I don't think it should be fixed, because otherwise movement will feel "fake/videogamey", and not like Stalker. Furthermore, it should be replicate in new maps if they are ever to be added.

[slow bolt]

Yes, we should have to jump up the stairs like mario

Stairs are impassable IRL

[lime comet]

It's imperfections like this that give Stalker its soul, by polishing it where it's not needed you take it away.

[open oasis]

LMAO

[worn fiber]

I think the climbing up the small obstacles is what we have already in the game. Not the ledger grabbing mod.

[lament raptor]

if it's just basically "teleporting" you up to the next step. what about adding inertia to that teleport? (idk just throwing in the dark)

[slow bolt]

it doesnt

[lament raptor]

or adding inertia to the camera?

[slow bolt]

Throwing in the dark is not gonna help

[thorny bane]

that's something the source engine does, it teleports the player, the Xray engine actually simulates movement I believe.

[slow bolt]

Source moves you up the geometry. it doesnt teleport

[thorny bane]

yeah

[slow bolt]

as you can feel you stepping up, sorta. Plus there stairs are more like ramps anyway

[thorny bane]

there's times where they don't clip the stairs and it creates the bumpy feel when you move up the steps. But in multiplayer or later singleplayer releases they add invisible ramps to smooth the movement, yes.

[undone lily]

The geometry feels awful currently

You have to litterally jump and crouch over some stuff to avoid being slowed down. Extremely annoying on top of feeling nauseating

[thorny bane]

The easiest way to resolve this is to make a group of modders to quite literally edit the maps and add invisible ramps across all staircases, unless someone can figure out a way to modify the movement code.

[summer girder]

Play the OGs. They barely, if ever, had this problem with stairs

[slow bolt]

no

[slow bolt]

exactly

[thorny bane]

why not?

[undone lily]

It’s the long painful and dumb way of doing it

[slow bolt]

Maps edits = incompatibility with a lot of mods

[undone lily]

The best is to edit the engine actor movement

[slow bolt]

• anomaly map source code is lost

[thorny bane]

Aight. Then it's GAMMA's movement's problem.

[undone lily]

You can edit the geometry. But then other NPCs are gonna float mid air on the stairs. Awful

[undone lily]

CoP / Anomaly issue

[slow bolt]

Which is what i have been saying

[slow bolt]

CoP didnt have that problem

[undone lily]

Base anomaly does atleast

[slow bolt]

Not as big as gamma

[thorny bane]

So how can someone fix it bro

[undone lily]

Hum interesting

[slow bolt]

This is a chat for modders, so

[slow bolt]

Dont hum

[worn fiber]

What mod does the camera height adjustment for low crouch / prone position?

[slow bolt]

this a library

[summer girder]

And the occasional nosy helpers

[tardy vale]

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[slow bolt]

give me my msg back

[thorny bane]

I mean, for these purposes this is a chat for brainstorming ideas to fix this issue, I don't see why you're kinda gatekeeping this place for modders

[undone lily]

https://github.com/Grokitach/Stalker_GAMMA/blob/main/G.A.M.M.A/modpack_addons/G.A.M.M.A. Actor Damage Balancer/gamedata/configs/mod_system_actor_hitbox.ltx

[slow bolt]

Whitenames dont help

[slow bolt]

Figured it was in one of the gamma mods

[marsh raven]

Here me out, a cutscene everytime you go up or down stairs

[slow bolt]

Was thinking close combat

[undone lily]

We don’t need ideas we need code based solutions

[thorny bane]

Aight

[undone lily]

Aka look at the code and start poking it

[worn fiber]

Old resident evil vibes.

[undone lily]

No segregation please

[thorny bane]

Has anyone tried fixing the climbing speed to a more desirable value for going up geometry?

[slow bolt]

Then gib access to Admin hideout

[slow bolt]

Already discussed

https://discord.com/channels/912320241713958912/1080988163985653820

[thorny bane]

for me the demo seemed fine, what's the issue with it?

[slow bolt]

Not all geometry is fixed, according to grok

to which i said that actor's speed, acceleration/power wasnt high enough

[undone lily]

Please tell me where this variable is located thanks

[undone lily]

Well we can try to further tune it though

[slow bolt]

What did you do, grok

what have you done

[nimble thistle]

@undone lily I sent you a DM of all relevant code I worked on for the collision and player movement.

[worn fiber]

I just trying the climbing speed adjustment from actor.ltx. It only affects the ladder climbing.

[dry herald]

@undone lily you could try adding/multiplying the player velocity by some constant * the dot product of the normal vector of the slope and the global UP. additional_velocity = slope_normal.dot(Vector3.UP) * MAX_SLOPE_INCREASE. The steeper the slope, the more of MAX_SLOPE_INCREASE will be added

For player hitbox, I think the good old capsule should be enough

[undone lily]

Do you have the line where’s that defined ?

Actor.cpp I presume ?

Sorry I’m on the phone atm

[dry herald]

No lol, I have never looked at the code. So maybe that's already written somewhere, maybe you need to write it yourself?

[worn fiber]

Aw.

[dry herald]

Ohh even better! I think you could even rotate the velocity vector to be parallel to the slope

[undone lily]

That’s assuming a lot concerning Xray though

[dry herald]

Yeah idk lol. I'm just telling you what I would do in another engine to solve this problem. So how this can be done in your specific use case, that's for you to figure out

[undone lily]

Well yes, we can try boosting it.

[soft badge]

Regarding movement being disrupted when moving across bumps, I am 1000% certain that this is not a GAMMA problem, or even an Anomaly problem--this is a behavior I have observed all the way back to SOC.

It's been so longstanding that I even have some tricks I use when playing. For example, when I'm running towards a sidewalk edge or other small bump that I know will slow me, I turn so that I encounter it from a sharp angle.

The reason for this is because I am fairly certain the engine's detection of whether to slow you when encountering a bump is determined, at least in part, by the angle of collision. The more dead-on you take the bump, the more likely you'll be slowed. Take it at a sharp angle of attack, and you won't be slowed.

I don't know enough about the engine to say WHY that is. But hopefully this helps.

[slow bolt]

Your solutions are unhelpful ultimately for this engine. It already has everything needed

[nimble thistle]

m_fWalkOnSlopesCoef = READ_IF_EXISTS(pSettings, r_float, section, "walk_on_slopes_coef", 0.7f);

[dry herald]

So it's such a big mess that you can't even find where?

[undone lily]

Everything is accessible

[slow bolt]

People who came here for the most part dont even try to look at the code

This is what happens when grok announces anything - lot of people come in

[thorny bane]

I have yet to see you actually come up with a solution

[slow bolt]

Honestly the best place for this discussion is actually on anomaly server in code channel

Since demonized and other giga modders are there

[candid vector]

@thorny bane (krazart) has been muted for 1 hour for reason: you are not helping

[open oasis]

oof

[slow bolt]

Actually, i am gonna search analmeme server for that problem

I bet it was recycled like 5 times now there

[worn fiber]

Where is that?

[slow bolt]

https://github.com/Roman-n/xray-monolith__/blob/d404b95d92947e83b283d912111fe0957fb5fbb6/src/xrGame/ActorCameras.cpp#L545

[dry herald]

Yeah I won't spend hours trying to look through the code, assuming you guys are already familiar with it. I thought that it's an issue I am familiar with from other engines, so I quickly came here to help. Now it's your turn to figure out if my solution is already implemented or if it even makes sense in this context.

[slow bolt]

Apparenly here is a comment

[undone lily]

Cam stuff, reminds me of FOV issues related to doorways, good catch

[nimble thistle]

It was added in my code I built.
// New parameters for movement refinement
m_fGroundDelayFactor = READ_IF_EXISTS(pSettings, r_float, section, "ground_delay_factor", 1.0f);
m_fAirControlParam = READ_IF_EXISTS(pSettings, r_float, section, "air_control_param", 0.1f);
m_fWalkOnSlopesCoef = READ_IF_EXISTS(pSettings, r_float, section, "walk_on_slopes_coef", 0.7f);

// Step handling parameters
m_fStepHeight = READ_IF_EXISTS(pSettings, r_float, section, "step_height", 0.25f);
m_fStepClimberHeight = READ_IF_EXISTS(pSettings, r_float, section, "step_climber_height", 1.0f);

[slow bolt]

This is like talking to 3 people at the same time

[marsh raven]

dude why you such a jerk lmao

[slow bolt]

Anyway, i searched analmeme server. All i found was what i posted above and that some stairs are done properly with a small ramp

[slow bolt]

...

[marsh raven]

Im just listening for fun and youre just a grouch

[slow bolt]

This example in limansk

So as usual - we can blame anomaly for the stair problems. As this is how they should be

[undone lily]

Pain

And since maps sources are lost we are screwed

[slow bolt]

Other solution is maybe in code i posted above, or other opinions also above.
Aint gonna go into code to check though - i dont have enough storage to install VS again

[true otter]

When editing npc loadouts ltx files, what do numbers that come after weapon names mean?

Such as wpn_m249:r:0:50

[vernal epoch]

wpn_name:attachment:scope:chancetodrop

Might have flipped scope and attachment

if you leave the number out, its just got the chance based on how many other items are in the loadout with it

[true otter]

Does every attachment have a specific number?

What does "r" mean?

[undone lily]

Random

[undone lily]

Numbers correspond to different attachments yes

[true otter]

I see

[blissful tartan]

that a ramp lookin like stairs ?

[slow bolt]

Invisible walkable ramp specifically for stairs

sdk has those

Basically invisible walkable wall

[blissful tartan]

bro i said that

when i saw the announcement i wrote make tf2 treatment for stairs

[slow bolt]

map editing like that aint an option

so

[true otter]

Which attachment has what number? It'd be useful to know

If only a single weapon was added to a category in npc loadouts, would every npc spawn with that weapon?

[slow bolt]

yes

[blissful tartan]

nah just editing mesh

or prefab not in the map

[slow bolt]

Those walls are specific objects

you aint gonna do that with blender

[limpid rose]

I’ll see if I can’t load cordon into blender and use V-HCAD as a replacement for the objects, might just need to trick the engine into thinking it’s the same object, with a different mesh.

[foggy jungle]

Hey guys, I want to make some weapon repositions and I followed several tutorials but even when I save my repos in the game files they are not in the game when I relaunch it. Does anyone know why and how to fix this problem ? I ask on another channel and they told me to ask here

[slow bolt]

Then you followed the wrong guides

you are supposed to make a DLTX mod with the changes

[foggy jungle]

Unfortunately there are very few guides about weapon repositioning.. thanks for your help I will try to make a DLTX mod

[slow bolt]

That is the only way

[random fulcrum]

do you mean as in which number has which scope?

if so then that's not how it works

[true otter]

Yes

How does it work?

[random fulcrum]

0 is no attachment
1 has any possible scope
2 has a gl
3 has any possible scope and a gl
4 has a silencer
5 has any possible scope and a silencer
6 has a silencer and a gl
7 has all 3
r picks any of these at random

[true otter]

Thanks

If 1 is given, is it gonna a random possible scope?

So there is no way to choose a specific scope?

[random fulcrum]

yeah you can but you have to specify it on the gun

i.e. wpn_m4a1_siber_acog:6:0:25

that'll spawn an m4a1 ras always with an acog, a supressor and a gl, the first ammo listed for it, and be half as common as other weapons

[fair inlet]

I mean they probably talk in context of gamma. Which has like 2 guns that still use flags for scopes

[true otter]

The 2nd number, 0 in your example, specifies ammo type then? 1 would give the second ammo listed in the weapon's ltx file?

[surreal gust]

I might fix the stairs collision, although I want to edit the anomaly maps first

I'm not sure if I want to edit them by changing the all.spawn (it's possible) or just replacing geometry.

It isn't worth recompiling every SINGLE level at max build quality just to fix 1 small issue

Blender method is possible and easier, however it may cause problems

Haven't tried it myself, but I can say that there might be problems.

[ruby dust]

I'm trying to change the post heals for some items. but i can't find anything besides boost_health_restore in their scripts

should I be looking in a specific mod?

[slow bolt]

zzz_player_injuries.script

there

[ruby dust]

it's way different than the normal item scripts

could you explain where should I look? I'm not very good at coding

[slow bolt]

Because post heal is not a normal game mechanic

[ruby dust]

I understand, but I thought the post heal properties of each item was atheist written like that.

[slow bolt]

atheist

[ruby dust]

I meant at least

mb

[slow bolt]

Its in the script, values are per limb

look for healhelp

its per item, each item having values for limbs

[ruby dust]

in the script?

[slow bolt]

yes

[ruby dust]

I see

so do i change the healhelp values or the easyhealing below it?

[slow bolt]

easyhealing is a switch to remove pre-heal stuff

[ruby dust]

I see, so the healhelp

[ruby dust]

so no pre and post heal? just heal?

[slow bolt]

!bhs

[queen pine]

@ruby dust
Option 1: "I don't like BHS, I want to inject medkit and live (old anomaly system)"

1. disable Body Health System and G.A.M.M.A. Minimalist HUD
2. disable G.A.M.M.A. Medications Balance
3. Move Alternative icons to the bottom of the mod list

Option 2: "I don't mind BHS, but I don't want temporary health and all the pills sorcery"

Go here https://discord.com/channels/912320241713958912/1180575430235922532 and grab the mod. Follow the instructions provided. (In case you can't see the channel, remove the Newcomer role in #🤖bot-commands by typing !new).

[slow bolt]

option 2

[ruby dust]

so do I not need to get the easy easyheal option mod?

[slow bolt]

elaborate

You wanted to change post heal values

Easyhealing option is not that

[ruby dust]

I wanted to add post heal to pre heal items. because I didnt know better

now that I know easyhealing exist, I'll just go for that

or maybe I'm understanding wrong?

[slow bolt]

no

[ruby dust]

no?

[ruby dust]

thanks for elaborating

thanks for the help

[hardy hound]

is there any addon that modifies the doctor spawn in the great swamp?

[feral pecan]

The question is, where did the handle go?

[torpid badge]

there are a few weapons that have icons that dont reflect the actual gun, not something the Frosty would fix unless he feels the need to. should be on the original mod authors to fix the icons

[slow bolt]

This isnt a support channel

if you have a gun mod - ask in its thread

What can we do about a dude who generates problems and posts about them in every channel

@summer girder like unironically

He was told multiple times to post in support channels for support

[potent delta]

Super simple to fix it yourself. Just learn how to use Blender, and how to change where the hands on the viewmodel go. ezpz

[fair canopy]

Modder's munchausen

[feral pecan]

hmm, it seems to me that it is easier to find the initial state of the weapon, as on the UI icon, because it is 100% there, the only question is where it went

[potent delta]

The UI icon isn't generated from the actual model. Someone has to made the icon. It's likely that the icon is made from a screenshot of another AK model that does have a foregrip, and the gun itself does not use that model, because gun mods these days are frequently frankenstein projects of multiple other gun mods.

[slow bolt]

helping sama is like using a bucket on a tsunami

[potent delta]

Eh. I just woke up from a nap so I'm pretty numb to most external stimuli.

[tawny stream]

Post-nap clarity

[ripe saffron]

your game looks pretty, did you do anything extra to make it pop like that?

[slow bolt]

oh boy

you really dont want his modlist

[fair canopy]

[tacit sentinel]

what is it like 1200 mods?

[regal bolt]

Is there a way to lower the overall recoil of the guns?

[random fulcrum]

no

or i mean yeah but it's kinda hacky and ugly

[regal bolt]

Hmmm

[slow bolt]

its 4 different errors per day

[tacit sentinel]

oh god

[slow bolt]

We dont even help him anymore

he has a different problem every time

[potent delta]

I forget, is the extra camera shit just baked into GBO?

[random fulcrum]

yeah it's literally just vanilla anomaly's enhanced recoil mechanic but isolated into its own plugin and script file

word for word, even

with the exception of the ability to toggle it off duing play

[potent delta]

Unpopular toggle that makes the recoil feel worse
Base feature, un-toggleable

[random fulcrum]

it makes recoil feel worse because it's on top of the vanilla engine recoil

which is jarring since it's a 1 frame jump

that's why it's weird

and also why grok redesigned most profiles so that it's just a violent camera shake that's no longer than 8-12 frames

see also: the recoil mod

i am tooting my own horn for this

but enhanced recoil CAN be good when isolated from the vanilla engine recoil

[slow bolt]

What a long way to advertise your mod

[potent delta]

I've been watching your progress on it and it looks great. Can't wait for it to be finished so I can use it for zero benefit since my guns are always on single-fire.

[random fulcrum]

everything can be a segway

[slow bolt]

okay, linus

[potent delta]

I think that's specifically the vehicle. A linguistical one is a 'segue'. Which feels weird to type.

[fair canopy]

[summer girder]

[hexed cape]

hello guys

can some one help me to alter dmg values..... dont tell grok.....

[slow bolt]

@grok come look at this

[hexed cape]

NOOO

[wary kiln]

has somebody made a mag for m60 yet

[wary kiln]

are u aware of hit power, either in gameplay difficulty settings or the weapon files themselves

[potent delta]

Hit power does nothing (except against mutants oddly enough) because of GBOOBS.

You have to manually change the damage multiplier of ammo (bad and tedious) or the damage of specific weapons one at a time (also tedious).

[hexed cape]

i send an hour try to chang ap values

not working LOL

[wary kiln]

yeah i did this with area awhile back to make the game playable before it got updated along with a bunch of fixes for the weapons so i gave up

the hit power section in the weapons files is what im referring to tho

[potent delta]

AP values are handled by ammo as well.

[wary kiln]

isnt that the damage for each weapon?

[limpid rose]

This is exactly why I have my edits archived thrice

K_hit is the damage multiplier for ammo

Damage for each weapon is in the weapon’s ltx

[potent delta]

The hit power section in a weapon's .ltx does change its damage, the hit power option in gameplay settings in-game does not.

(Except against mutants for some reason, again)

[limpid rose]

Probably something to do with GBOOBS not overwriting anomaly ballistics for mutant hit detection?

[potent delta]

It's likely something like that, though GBOOBS does affect monsters to some degree. I dunno the exact math for it, but according to momo, mutants do in fact have an armor value.

[hexed cape]

ronin u shoul uploas your rebalance

i saw other people want to change these valuse

[potent delta]

GBOOBS just spirals more and more out of control the more you look into it. Even in a bubble it falls apart.

[limpid rose]

I could, but it’s not going to be to everyone’s taste, or function in the same way

[limpid rose]

Props to Grok for all he does, but looking at the ammo type values gave me an aneurysm

[hexed cape]

lol

[limpid rose]

But I’m less the type to complain and more of I’ll just do it myself. He’s laid a good foundation

[hexed cape]

grok is goated & he drinks coffee

[worthy fiber]

hit_power is used in damage to npc calculation too

[potent delta]

In-game hit power is not, because it is overwritten by GBOOBS.

[worthy fiber]

oh it was about in-game settings

anyway
gboobs for mutant damage does not skip engine stuff. it only manages actual shit.power then it proceeds by engine. so in-game settings are fine
for npc it completely recalculated on its own and skips engine stuff

[regal bolt]

Is there a possibility to use a custom sight picture with the RMR kits or the typical red dots instead of the massive dot that's like 4 times the size of my typical AC Barska dot?

[regal bolt]

SVDS here is the problematic one as you can see

[worn fiber]

There are two separate damage formulas in gboobs. One for damage to NPCs and one for damage to mutants.

Gboobs make that bullet hit power factor slider in options obsolete.

[worthy fiber]

it is obsolete only for to-npc damage since damage applying to npc is handled by gboob's script

[worn fiber]

And if you shoot mutants too.

[worthy fiber]

it only edits shit.power for mutants. there is no damage applying

[open oasis]

shit.power when piss.power walks in:

[worn fiber]

Gboobs now handles both. And also has player's damage multiplier based on selected difficulty.

And has full control over gun damage from player to NPCs and mutants.

[worthy fiber]

i dont think so

[worn fiber]

That's the final damage dealt to mutant formula.

What is your version about what it does then?

[worthy fiber]

before it engine does basic damage stuff
then it edits* through gboobs (for mutants)
then it applies

[worn fiber]

What do you mean by basic damage stuff?

The vanilla damage calculations?

[worthy fiber]

yea

[worn fiber]

But gboobs replaces those. The bullet hit power factor from options is applied to vanilla damage calculations. However that does nothing right now.

[regal bolt]

Either the video's bugged or my DC is

Still frame with sound only

[worthy fiber]

it doesnt replace
it doesnt even deal with weapon's hit_power and ammo's k_hit
the gboobs script takes reference to shit (as table) and edits calculated* shit.power value only
if we talk about gboobs mutant side

[surreal gust]

works for me

i had to compress it

because discord sucks

[open oasis]

same here

although mobile discord is known for being shitty like that

[limpid rose]

Same issue here on mobile lmao

[surreal gust]

hmm, I'll upload it again

[regal bolt]

Takes a while

[regal bolt]

Works now!

[surreal gust]

i can compress it further, but the quality will go rip

[regal bolt]

Also that is just awesome detail

[surreal gust]

Even og gunslinger doesn't have that

[regal bolt]

Shells actually hitting objects and being an item on the ground, not just a particle is astounding

[surreal gust]

Honestly, it's basically gunslinger but for CoC

It even has dynamic boolets in the mag

[regal bolt]

That sounds like it would cook a single core processor

[surreal gust]

It uses cryray x64 engine

With coc engine edits

[soft burrow]

@naive snow have you found a way to allow free zoom while scoped? #╟🔰☢newbies-chat message

[fair canopy]

For 3dss this works but only making the scope bigger, not actually adding more zoom

[undone lily]

What do you mean ?

You want to zoom on top of the scope zoom ?

[soft burrow]

ye

[undone lily]

It’s possible but you need to edit the free zoom script

[soft burrow]

in what way

[potent delta]

Bro wants that crunchy 14 fov.

TBH if you're using a variable zoom scope (or hell even just a single zoom) that is 8x, you don't need any more zoom. You are legit never going to engage anything at a range that would require more zoom. Draw distance/AI range simply renders it moot.

I guess unless you're just not at all confident in your ability to shoot and require the target's face to take up the entire scope view.

[soft burrow]

I did some testing and looked at the script a lot and my only conclusion is that the game just forces the weapon's scope_zoom_factor that's written on the weapon's ltx.

[undone lily]

Editing the fov on the fly doesn’t work ?

[fossil folio]

Anyone know how to turn off achievements?

(sorry idk if right place)

[soft burrow]

you mean pause the game looking down the scope and change the fov seeing?

I don't think that will work, I tried looking down the scope after changing the fov setting earlier and the scoped fov was the same

that's why I figured out the game just forces it over the fov console commands that the free zoom mod executes

[thorny bobcat]

When a mod that it will finally make anomalies react to stalker npc and not just mutants? Also, npc reacting and actively avoiding those anomalies so they dont meet their demise... Is this mod even possible to make?

[feral pecan]

very good bro

[surreal gust]

This wasn't made by me

It's a mod for CoC (not anomaly)

[feral pecan]

new engine?

[surreal gust]

Nah, CoC is an old mod from 2015

It's the reason why anomaly exists

Anomaly uses coc logic and last day gameplay mechanics

[thorny bobcat]

good to know that the mod that started the whole "modernization" of stalker, still getting some good love from modders

[surreal gust]

Misery deserves love too

[surreal gust]

I.W.P is the name of this mod

It has its own exes

It uses CryRay x64 engine (not coc engine)

[fossil folio]

that would need more processing power, and stalker only using 1 core for everything, don't think it is good idea

[feral pecan]

It seems there was a project, it is being made, developed, a new engine

xray

[surreal gust]

nah

Vanilla X-Ray had some multithreading aspects

It isn't entirely running on 1 core of your cpu

[thorny bobcat]

Probably anomaly being ported to openxray would fix that core utilization issue?

[thorny bobcat]

The project has already a fully playable beta on their discord server, openxray gunslinger. Also another project remaking Clear Sky on that engine is currently being made.

[thorny bobcat]

This? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xguy8vPdiBM

looks freaking awesome

[open oasis]

you can use this mod: https://www.moddb.com/mods/stalker-anomaly/addons/npcs-die-in-anomalies-improved

keep in mind NPCs will NOT actively avoid (edit: DYNAMIC) anomalies which makes gameplay needlessly difficult as your saving/escorting targets get taken out by random anomalies across the zone

i tried it briefly but ultimately decided NPCs are best kept invulnerable until the AI properly learns to navigate anomaly fields

[thorny bobcat]

Why? Because Fuck them thats why LOL

[slow bolt]

CoP looking ass

[undone lily]

You are right. Then I have no clue. You might even need to change the engine because I think the scope freezes the fov

[random fulcrum]

there's a console command that enables pathfinding around anomalies

[open oasis]

wHAT

wait so why is it unused

[misty mulch]

easy guess: doesn't work, kills frames/other performance issues, busyhands, combo of the above

[slow bolt]

They already path around anomalies

its in combat they ignore them

[open oasis]

damn i can't stop catching L's today

my NPCs kept getting killed by anomalies before i could rescue them in Wild Territory i don't know why they wouldn't path around them in that case

[surreal gust]

yup

[slow bolt]

They see a mutant --> they walk right --> dead

[surreal gust]

i need to find some coc locations

[slow bolt]

Also they cant path around dynamic anomalies, as those are not in the pathfinding

And you know how bullshit dynamic anomalies are

[surreal gust]

in the video it clearly showed that it uses hd assets (levels)

[open oasis]

yeah i meant the dynamic ones

so i guess i was only wrong partially

[potent delta]

It would be interesting to see someone make a script for the AI that just like, reads the aoe of anomalies and ensure their current path doesn't cross it (except maybe in combat, because 'oops, backstep into a whirligig )

[thorny bobcat]

Knowing there is so many talented modders on this community, is just a matter of time.

This is actually the only thing that is missing from Gamma in my opinion, in the sense of having a fully immersive experience.

[worn fiber]

Depends of how much FPS you want to pay for that feature.

I don't know exactly how pathfinding for NPCs works in STALKER but my assumption it's using waypoints.

[potent delta]

It's likely waypoints and simple navmesh stuff. S'a pretty old game, I doubt they use raycasting or anything like that.

[misty mulch]

iirc the npc paths are also baked into maps? and that's why companions can't path in underground levels

[worn fiber]

I suspect there is no navmesh even.

[misty mulch]

and also why people can't edit the OG game maps

you can decompile + edit them but something something the pathing info for the maps is lost now so NPCs won't respect the redone map? this is some real playground rumor level info that i am reporting, mind you

[potent delta]

On god if there's no navmesh that adds just another layer of bullshit to why editing maps is basically impossible.

[hardy hound]

just grab coc maps

[potent delta]

Just expecting a 'I added a cool house' mod and then an NPC just goes 'fuck logic' and walks through the walls to shoot you.

[worn fiber]

Prefect for Invictus players.

[slow bolt]

Sources are lost

so you can edit geometry. But nothing fancy

[worn fiber]

Sounds like the only option left is making new maps.

[potent delta]

Nah, it's probably easier to just make as new Stalker.

With blackjack, and hookers.

[worn fiber]

But that's like remaking 80% of the game.

[worn fiber]

GSC want's to know your location.

[hardy hound]

or grab coc maps

[potent delta]

https://tenor.com/view/peace-out-gif-22295199

[worn fiber]

Call of Chernobyl or Shadow of Chernobyl?

Because I think coc maps is what we have right now.

[potent delta]

CoC is Call of Chernobyl. Shadow of Chernobyl is SHoC.

And yeah afaik Anomaly is built on CoC's base maps.

Including all of the jank that comes with it. Like fucky waypoint placement/detection on the minimap (arrow points you the wrong place, etc) and artefacts spawning under the map.

[worn fiber]

So port gamma to Roblox?

[random fulcrum]

it was broken in vanilla anomaly because it was always set back to 0 the moment you enabled it

i remember demonized said something about it kinda lowers performance

ymmv type shit

i guess if you really need the immersion boost you can enable it

[misty mulch]

but as the others said, if it doesn't work on DAO anomalies it's pretty pointless anyway

[random fulcrum]

i vividly remember them seeing dynamic anomalies

but i haven't actually played in ages so it could be mandela

i.e. people stopping at the cordon tunnel to throw bolts and shit

[hardy hound]

if im not wrong maps are from last day

[random fulcrum]

or the burner below the train bridge

[potent delta]

Nah, they would avoid normal anomalies (or the anomalies would straight up ignore them at times) and eventually modders just said 'it's easier if they just don't exist as far as anomalies are concerned'.

[random fulcrum]

both of which are dynamics

[potent delta]

Mutants still trigger anomalies just fine, DAO or otherwise.

[hardy hound]

Which were maps based on coc but modified, ading maps like meadow,

[potent delta]

But they made NPCs immune to it so you don't get a task, take 4 steps, and fail because one decided to give a vortex a hug.

[hardy hound]

but there isnt source for last day maps?

[random fulcrum]

which is perfectly justifiable and fine for game design

muh immersion people ruining everything yet again

[open oasis]

i mean this exact same thing happened to me when i was testing the mod posted above which is why i couldn't recommend it

[random fulcrum]

try it with the command

[potent delta]

iirc that was a part of an old animation that used to be used when NPCs were 'artefact hunting'. The shit you see them send pda messages about now and again. I'm unsure if that's still used or not, I think now they just randomly wander over artefact spawns sometimes and pick them up.

[random fulcrum]

regular npcs pathfind around anomalies even during a gunfight

it's kinda crazy

it's bad for companions tho since they're programmed to follow you

so you need to actually micro your companions around anomalies

[random fulcrum]

i've never seen the crouch down to pick artefacts up thing in anomaly

but i did see people physically hold a detector in their hand and look around

i don't remember seeing that particular event in gamma

[potent delta]

Not crouch down, no. They just kinda hoover it up if they walk near enough to it.

Same with guns.

[random fulcrum]

yeah i know the thing i'm saying is that pretty much any other non anomaly experience has them crouching down to pick up the thing

with the same animation they use when healing wounded people

[potent delta]

Since there's pretty common traffic through the ""electro tunnel"" in Cordon (really since it's burnt fuzz it should be renamed) and there's almost always a perkifact in there after a blowout, you get people constantly talking about how they found [artefact] when you're hanging out in Cordon.

[feral pecan]

Where do these tools come from?

[potent delta]

Some of those are tools that don't naturally spawn any more, and some of them look like older icons for the current kits. Or maybe just a different set of icons than the default cr3pis ones?

[slow bolt]

all of them are used

[potent delta]

The top right ones (with the yellow and black) don't naturally spawn any more, as they used to let you repair a weapon part as low as 10% condition.

You can only find it in the debug menu.

[slow bolt]

its the part cleaning kit

[potent delta]

Or if you have any left over from a really old save.

[slow bolt]

why wouldnt it spawn?

[feral pecan]

mod_system I can't find the

[potent delta]

Because it literally breaks the balance of the mod by making you able to repair parts that are below 60% condition?

[slow bolt]

skill issue on creator's part

[potent delta]

@ Grok then

It's a leftover from base Anomaly, GAMMA's economy balance disabled its spawn.

[fast dirge]

How does the player rig work in Anomaly? Is it a collision pill with a movement ball?

[potent delta]

1 - Thread
2 - Field Armor Repair Kit
3 - File
4 - Ramrod
5 - Multitool
6 - Swiss Army Knife
7 - Grooming Kit
8 - Part Repair Kit (unused in GAMMA)
9 - Basic Toolkit
10 - Advanced Toolkit
11 - Expert Toolkit
12 - Gunsmithing Kit
13 - Drug Making Kit
14 - Whetstone
15 - "Brunox Gun Care" Oil
16 - "Dvojka" Oil
17 - "Rusak" Oil
18 - "Hoppe's No. 9" Oil
19 - Type A Weapon Cleaning Kit
20 - Type B Weapon Cleaning Kit
21 - Type C Weapon Cleaning Kit
22 - Type D Weapon Cleaning Kit
23 - Universal Repair Kit
24 - Type A Weapon Repair Kit
25 - Type B Weapon Repair Kit
26 - Type C Weapon Repair Kit
27 - Type D Weapon Repair Kit
28 - "Zviezda" Glue
29 - "Tur" Glue
30 - "M17" Glue
31 - Emergency Armor Repair Kit
32 - Basic Sewing Kit
33 - Advanced Sewing Kit
34 - Heavy Sewing Kit
35 - Helmet Repair Kit (unused in GAMMA)
36 - Light Armor Repair Kit
37 - Medium Armor Repair Kit
38 - Heavy Armor Repair Kit
39 - EXO Repair Kit

This was intended to be a reply to @feral pecan but discord ate that I guess.

[feral pecan]

From the bottom of my heart, brother

[feral pecan]

wtf....

why havent they changed...I changed it in the UI

https://tenor.com/view/angry-mad-waving-brush-little-girl-baby-gif-12952554408829946762

[potent delta]

Gotta make sure they're not being overwritten by anything else.

[limpid rose]

Load order is a helluva bitch

Trying to tone down the crack cocaine induced NPC movement speed in combat, is that solely decided by walk_forward/left/right and run_forward/left/right or is there more to it?

[potent delta]

Ah yeah, I too dislike the quake-style strafe bullshit the NPCs do. Especially if they're in a doorway.

They'll strafe out, fire at you frame one, and strafe back in before you can react.

Kind of out of left field, but is there anyone here who can give me a crash course on how to easily add a LM (laser module) to a gun?
Like, I know I'm gonna hafta go into Blender for this, most likely, but...

[limpid rose]

It's not even their movement pattern that bothers me so. It's the unnatural crystal meth powered speed they do it at. My burned-out brain literally cannot process it

[limpid rose]

Best way would be to seperate one from an existing gun in blender by making it its own mesh, then importing that to the gun you're working on and joining verts

[potent delta]

Oh jeez. Looking into the mesh files for the gun I wanna add an LM to, this is going to be tedious.

[limpid rose]

Not sure if there's on out there that has the LM still sectioned off, in which case you can import that to your own project instead of having to seperate it from an existing gun

[potent delta]

I'll either have to make the gun one of those one-off 'tactical' types where the silencer and sight are built in to save the time, or go through each and every hug.ogf file for every sight the gun can use and attach the LM to it.

[obsidian void]

There is a config file pointing the icon textures to a different sheet

[limpid rose]

Does the LM even have an impact on hud.ogfs if it's part of the base gun?

[obsidian void]

It's either DLTX or there is an "icon_override" ltx file

[limpid rose]

Or is that because the laser wouldn't lineup with any of the sights otherwise?

[potent delta]

The hud.ogf I assume is the literal model of the gun itself.

And the LMs are built into the gun's model.

Including the laser. If you go into freecam you can see the end of the laser dot floating about 25 feet in front of you.

It just scales in size dynamically based on how far away something is from you when you point at it.

[limpid rose]

I believe hug.ogf is the model from the player's POV when hold, and then there's the world model which I think is the non hud.ogf?

I refuse to touch stalker with blender because it'll be the apocalypse's second coming for my brain, so that's about all I know, sorry

[potent delta]

All good. That's why I left it as an open-ended question for anyone to chime in on. Someone here likely has enough experience with making guns for Stalker to help me out.

[limpid rose]

Best of luck stalker, i'm just gonna go and take all of the NPC's drugs away

[potent delta]

There can't be a drug problem in the zone if I take all of the drugs.

[surreal gust]

Use more gun

[potent delta]

How it feels to blow through ~90k rubles in > 25 seconds.

[limpid rose]

https://tenor.com/view/a10-warthog-a10warthog-xray-gif-27643073

[surreal gust]

The ammo prices aren't inflated as much as anomaly's

[limpid rose]

Sounds great though

[surreal gust]

If you watch carefully at the end, you can see bullets from the mag moving into the chamber

[rotund pike]

https://tenor.com/view/enclave-fallout2-gif-23731058

https://tenor.com/view/fallout-fallout2-enclave-gif-16344701

[unreal leaf]

<before after>

I got really annoyed that a lot of guns have great animations but when yyou lower your gun they always fall back to the default stiff camera movement, so tired to make it look nicer

its not perfect, for some reason the animation doesnt loop properly, and I definitely need to work more on the walking anim, but I think its better than the default.

It applies to every gun. And it also adds an actual sprint animation to guns that were missing it.

[potent delta]

I think it looks pretty nice!

[limpid rose]

This is absolutely amazing

Will do great for my cinematic projects

[unreal leaf]

yyay!

[limpid rose]

Feel free to ping me whenever this goes live, need it the second it releases lmao

[regal bolt]

@celest forge (Sending here due to size limit)

[celest forge]

Unfortunate

[regal bolt]

Yeah

[misty mulch]

iirc yes hud versions are higher-quality/more detailed versions, used when the player is holding the gun. the world models are meant to be more optimized/less detailed versions for when the gun's on the ground/held by npcs, where the player is not starting so closely at them

[wild swallow]

unless ur bas dev and have no sense of game development and make world models have 123904592457234 polygons

[spark vortex]

can someone here help me with smth related to mods really quick?

[terse shuttle]

I don't know much when it comes to gamma modding but there was a mod ages ago that smoothed stuff like step ladders and stuff so the player glides across smoothly. Maybe try and replicate that for ground meshes and stuff

[languid gust]

Is there any tutorial how to make voice mod? I mean we have a project replaces all voices with a different language but idk how to do it

[summer girder]

Would it not be just copying the way files are structured and handled in mods listed under !voice (try in #🤖bot-commands )

[forest remnant]

how easy is it to edit levels in anomaly? what are the tools i would have to use

[unreal leaf]

As far as I know. Not really possible on the version of x-ray that anomaly runs on

[forest remnant]

Wasn't there a rostok mod that just released that changed stuff?

[surreal gust]

It only replaces geometry

It doesn't add new stuff

Level editing in anomaly can be done in 2 ways (3 ways, but possibility of working is low)

1. is to make your own custom map (possible)

2. is to replace geometry on existing maps

3. replacing geometry and adding new stuff is theoretically possible with MLR level sources

I haven't tried the MLR locations for myself, yet.

To confirm that it works, I will recompile all of the level spawns into one big all.spawn file

This is when if I decide if I want to rework anomaly maps

[tranquil pagoda]

i think its tied to level geometry yeah, and how gravity works with player

[surreal gust]

And then, use that all.spawn file inside anomaly, and see if anomaly works correctly

No, all.spawn isn't tied to level geometry

It only stores spawn sections for levels, such as items, dynamic objects, etc

I've used the level editor since last september, and I know almost every single aspect of it

[tranquil pagoda]

but if gamma want to fix this, the easiest way is just change how player collide with world no ? but grok said already tried everything

[surreal gust]

level.cform stores collisions

ya gotta recompile the levels, sorry

[tranquil pagoda]

im already at acceptance level tbh, its just another bullshit thing happening in the game, so its fine for me

[surreal gust]

you can't just open the editor, update the collisions, and call it a day

that's not how it works

each time you compile a level, geometry and cform files are created

as well other things

this is if you compile scene geometry

you have to compile grass, ai map, and spawn elements separately

[feral pecan]

And whose mod is adegazr+? the problem with the grass

I just noticed it now...leaves xD

[slow bolt]

How is this dude not muted for posting his errors in every channel but support

also, it is at this point 99.99% your issue

[limpid rose]

Beats me, he’s been going at it for the better part of a year now from what I remember

[feral pecan]

Is there a mod to order them to rest - to sit by the campfire?

[potent delta]

'Stay here' is really the best you'll get, methinks.

[feral pecan]

It's a pity 😦

[potent delta]

The annoying thing of companions constantly walking in circles when you stop, pushing you into the fire is just something that I can not seem to escape, which is why I tend to just run solo.

[feral pecan]

it also happens, for me it's more like cannon fodder)

[worn fiber]

You can try using move to point command more often.

[feral pecan]

https://www.moddb.com/mods/stalker-anomaly/addons/chatty-companions

I will test it

[summer girder]

This is a mods making channel
Not a "I'll post a mod and ask people opinions about it so I can decide if I'll run it" channel
If you would've asked "How would I go about recreating a mod like this, what chapter of the modding book should I revisit?", sure
As it stands, wanna get opinions about a mod, ask in #╟🔰☢newbies-chat #╓☢stalker-chat #☢чат-сталкеров-ru-ua or maybe even #🔍automod-notifications
Bonus: #🎪bruh-fart and #🚽сральня🚽

[regal bolt]

Yes. HG Companion. Use at your own risk tho

[feral pecan]

Krasava brother, we will make shawarma

[idle oasis]

hello sigma modders
could you please make a mod that keeps gamma voices how it is, but removes the annoying:
"REAL FUNNY GUYS!" line?
thank you

[surreal gust]

no

[surreal gust]

Fucked up build.details.dds file

This is what happens when you fuck with level files and don't know what you're doing

[potent delta]

Oh, the one that you hear around UNISG/Mercs now and again? And by "Now and again" I mean every 45 seconds?

[slow bolt]

Definition of sama

[torpid badge]

Are subcontainers a thing? Like a bag in your inventory that opens another inventory?

[edgy salmon]

This is the closest I’ve seen but isn’t really what you’re asking for. Could work depending on your use case https://www.moddb.com/mods/stalker-anomaly/addons/anomaly-open-backpack

[unreal leaf]

oh thats absolutely awesome

[edgy salmon]

It’s a great concept but some interactions are completely broken iirc

[unreal leaf]

oof

[edgy salmon]

Something to do with quick release and dropping a stash. Those kinds of mechanics

[unreal leaf]

Probably needs an in engine implementation

[edgy salmon]

Would that be a modded exes type of thing or more like Anomaly 2.0?

[open oasis]

this actually happens with default Aydin's Grass Tweaks and is not something he specifically did to the modlist

i have encountered this myself under the Spring grass preset and i'm not using any texture mods

[torpid badge]

I haven't watched the video on the page yet

Basically think dayz/eft there are pistol cases that are self contained inventories that you can throw in your main inventory(backpack)

[unreal leaf]

modded exes edit the source code of the game, you can do absolutely anything you want with it. So Anomaly 2.0. or Stalker 2.O fall under the modded exe category too in theory haha

[edgy salmon]

Yeah the Tarkov alarms were going off when I read your initial question. Would love to see something like this myself. Also sort of related: there is a mag pouch mod if you use mags but these just attach to your belt and give more mag slots

[edgy salmon]

Oh that’s huge. Thanks! Good to know

[unreal leaf]

just yyou know, someone needs to sit down and work with the stalker source code, which is not very fun lol

[fair canopy]

Would you like your balls stepped on on mashed with a hammer mm

Either way it 100 bucks

[random fulcrum]

false

if anything typing shit directly into the engine is way more endearing and fun because pretty much all the limits are lifted

[unreal leaf]

yeah when you dont have to care about breaking any already existing mods or systems maybe

I dont enjoy monolithxray

[random fulcrum]

why would adding shit to the engine break mods bruh

that'd need active sabotaging pretty much

or absurdly bad code

[unreal leaf]

adding, changing

[random fulcrum]

both points still stand

[unreal leaf]

I dont know what to tell you lol

[random fulcrum]

i've crashed more from the script layer than from shit being added to the engine by myself

[unreal leaf]

its definitely possible to break mods or existing systems by editing the source

[random fulcrum]

yeah

i know

but again

either active sabotaging or absurdly bad code

[unreal leaf]

well I guess sorry not everyone is a god programmer haha

[open oasis]

obviously, that role is already taken by momo

[random fulcrum]

i just made one mod that demystifies gamma and got alpha for it when there are people that are far more deserving of the role

i wanted to get modder removed since i wasn't modding anomaly and didn't have any motivation to do so

[unreal leaf]

I'll just take my absurdly bad coder award and be quiet lol

[pulsar flame]

Hey guys, quick question
anyone know what this means?

SymInit: Symbol-SearchPath: '.;C:\Users\techn\Desktop\STALKER\Anomaly;C:\Users\techn\Desktop\STALKER\Anomaly\bin;C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\system32;', symOptions: 530, UserName: 'techn'
OS-Version: 6.2.9200 () 0x300-0x1
C:\Users\techn\Desktop\STALKER\Anomaly\bin\AnomalyDX11AVX.exe:AnomalyDX11AVX.exe (0000000140000000), size: 18071552 (result: 0), SymType: '-exported-', PDB: 'C:\Users\techn\Desktop\STALKER\Anomaly\bin\AnomalyDX11AVX.exe'

[error][ 87] : The parameter is incorrect.

at address 0x0000000140320D0B

[open oasis]

did you try making a mod and it crashed with that error? otherwise you're in the wrong channel and are probably looking for a support one

[pulsar flame]

I didn't make it, I just checked in the support channels for help but I wasn't able to get any for my issue, so I thought you guys might know. I just need help pinpointing what caused the issue so I can either fix it or get rid of it

In this case, I think this error was what crashed it

[open oasis]

this channel is strictly for discussion revolving the making of mods

[pulsar flame]

alr then

I'm just kinda desperate here

haven't been able to get any help other than just to delete the common squads, which didn't work

[open oasis]

wait for support in the appropriate channel, if you haven't modified your mod list at all it should be #🔨base-gamma-support

[pulsar flame]

sure ig

might as well try again

[slow bolt]

We need actual coded solutions or pointers in code

no

possible things? yes

in #📎to-do

Stalker already has a system to walk over stairs

so the solution would be to improve that system

Math wont do much of anything

Yep

[random fulcrum]

such a convenient thing that stalker is built on c++

[cloud sorrel]

Well I don't know shit about code, but I am wondering if you could implement terrain types with movement speed penalties / buffs to override this issue. (The issue mentioned in #📢announcements )

[steady apex]

https://www.moddb.com/mods/stalker-anomaly/addons/advanced-stamina-system-40link-in-description41/page/2#8470236

[summer girder]

"Придется терпеть" - TheMrDemonized, January 18th, 2023

[open oasis]

ASS
another one added to the collection

[wary kiln]

has anybody considered making an l2a1

[surreal gust]

There's another way to fix the stairs problem

It is possible to only compile level.cform (collisions) and not the level itself

Saving shit tons of time

This only works for the modified compiler

Doesn't matter what level sources are used

I only need the ones that match anomaly level layout

I still have to edit the level, of course.

[unreal leaf]

why do you want to edit the collissions of the map?
Isnt the whole problem that the game doesnt have a stair stepping function?

I was imagining doing it like this: checking if the position of the player on the next frame is inside a collision box, do a raycast to see how tall the collider is, if its under a certain limit, teleport the character up that amount on the next frame.

[steady apex]

its the easiest way of solving the problem

and cause partially stalker maps already have that

the solution about calculating average height around player sounds ridiculous tbh, a reactive approach would be better and more performant

[ruby dust]

how hard would it be to make the mosin silencer compatible?

[surreal gust]

Firstly, it's easier for me

Secondly, there's no need for more script logic and engine edits

Thirdly, there's a prop that's invisible that helps with collisions, especially with stairs

It would only take a couple of minutes or even seconds to compile a level.cform for each level.

[unreal leaf]

yeah but wouldnt it take hundreds of hours to adjust all the collision geometry? Theres so many edge cases

[surreal gust]

It won't

It's just 1 prop

Just scale it correctly

That's all, and repeat

[unreal leaf]

what do y you mean? Not all of these collision isues are caused by prop colisions

sometimes its the map terrain itself

not to mention the props could be used in completelyy different scenarios, in which case the adjusted collision mesh would cause problems

[slow bolt]

This is literally only needed for places we all know - stairs

everything else is not a problem and could be found later

[unreal leaf]

Theres definitely a lot more areas than just stairs that have these problems.

[slow bolt]

Not really

Its always stairs

[unreal leaf]

just try to sprint around Rostok, youre gonne get stuck on curbs and small rocks cosntantly

[surreal gust]

The process is simple

Decompile anomaly maps for accurate cform collisions

Add the invisivle clips

Compile level.cform

Profit

[unreal leaf]

Simple but time consuming

I think improving the stepping function is a much better idea

[surreal gust]

Better than adding 494984949 script logics

It isn't time consuming

[unreal leaf]

I am sorry but stepping logic isnt that complicated lol

[surreal gust]

Only those who have never used the sdk call the process time consuming.

[slow bolt]

okay

you two

race

first one with the best result wins

[surreal gust]

no

not my problem

i never said that I will do it because I have my own stuff that I'm working on

[quasi narwhal]

tbh i think it's worth trying @surreal gust's idea first and see if it works, if not it can still be fixed by code

starting by code/adding new code is always a bad idea

[unreal leaf]

I can look into it after work, you gusy already found the function.

[unreal leaf]

Really? Editing the collision of every single prop that has these issues sounds like a better idea than expanding a single funciton byy like 5 more lines of code?