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[willow bobcat]

That worked, but I still don't think the zoom is correct. It seems to still be super zoomed in.

[naive snow]

Adjust the zoom factor to your taste, could be a number of things playing like hud_fov and what not

[willow bobcat]

Hm, I changed the hud FOV and that didn't work.

Could it be one of these?

[zinc mountain]

I giving up on making the safer green, retexturing assets is too much

[willow bobcat]

@naive snow

[potent delta]

Those change where the gun is on the screen. I do believe the Z value would make the gun farther from the screen, which would act the same as FOV?
Don't quote me on that though. I haven't fiddled with that stuff yet.

https://discord.com/channels/912320241713958912/1229631729749200896
I did however just release the first proper stat balance patch for my guns. I feel like they hit the spot I was looking for.

[fair canopy]

@naive snow were you the one that said you helped others setup their blender texture paths?

[willow bobcat]

That is not the goal for this though, the goal for now is to make the Acog HUD overlay not be as zoomed in.

[potent delta]

Provided it's a 3D model, moving the gun farther from the screen will make the scope itself smaller visually, as well. If it's a 2D model, just find its .dds file (or whatever the image file is for it) and make it smaller using GIMP.

[fair canopy]

fixing a weird ak103 i found in some soup

[naive snow]

Ay I did

[willow bobcat]

not sure how to do that

[potent delta]

Go to MO2, use the search function in the window on the right, and look for the name of the gun you want to change. Go to the Textures folder, all of the textures related to it will be in there.

[willow bobcat]

Ok I found the textures.

[willow bobcat]

Which one would I edit?

[potent delta]

Would likely be the parts.dds

[willow bobcat]

so I just shrink the texture?

[potent delta]

Keep the resolution of the file the same, but yeah take the texture in the file and make it smaller.

[willow bobcat]

How do I make it smaller without changing the resolution?

[potent delta]

Select > All then use the transform tool to drag one of the corners while holding Shift to keep the same aspect ratio. Then make sure you center it as best you can so it isn't off-center in-game. I also recommend drawing lines from the corners of the bottom of the texture out to the bottom of the image itself and filling it in as well so you don't have a gap on the bottom of the screen.

[willow bobcat]

What app are you using?

[potent delta]

GIMP. It's free, just Google it.

[fair canopy]

any chance you could help me? ocasionally i'll lose textures when exporting and have to manually fix them with ogf tool

just lost 16 paths

[naive snow]

Sure... Jose

So part of it is you're using the export option of texture name from the file path

So if your file paths for these textures aren't already in your proper gamedata folders. The export will mess up the whole thing

[naive snow]

How's the ogf looking when you lose files paths?

Like the actual file paths written in the ogf

[fair canopy]

i actually dont know why this is happening. i wasnt losing paths before

[naive snow]

How are these files loaded in blender vs the others? Did you move those files in advance into your gamedata folder?

[fair canopy]

Nah I load them from the mods folder in gamma. It was working fine before but now suddenly my paths are just disappearing

its weird though because im losing some paths but others are staying

after export and import

[naive snow]

How are your paths ?

[fair canopy]

What do you mean?

[naive snow]

The xray addon paths

[naive snow]

Oh my

Alright lets rectify this

So what you wanna do, add Blender 3.6 as an executable in MO2

Like chosing your DX version, there's an edit

Copy one of the entries for the checkboxes and pick your Blender.exe

[naive snow]

Yeah perfect

Launch it and change your paths to something like this

You can ignore the last 3

[naive snow]

Looks good

[fair canopy]

still getting texture files not found on import

huh, import/export kept filepaths though

[naive snow]

Well on import since the ogf has been saved with messed up you'll be loading no textures

You want to drop your files in a proper gamedata/textures/"weaponFilePath"

Load it as a mod, if you don't already have one

[fair canopy]

well thats new

[naive snow]

[fair canopy]

OH

I fucked it up anyway because i was using this as my icon model

DOH

lmao this thing is all kinds of ruined

well, my smoothbrain aside, it seems to be saving paths correctly again so thank you!

[naive snow]

Awesome

[surreal gust]

holy shit the compiler is using 11 gb of ram

[vale knot]

Doesnt it just keep going up till its done

[steady apex]

Also known as memory leak

[vale knot]

[woven obsidian]

guys im dumb at modding but what do you do with those ?????

[sacred token]

Open the file with Windows-1251 encoding

Its cyrillic

[woven obsidian]

oh thx

[simple scaffold]

they are comments. anything after ; is a comment. but getting the right encoding will let you copy paste them into google translate to see what they are trying to tell you.

[woven obsidian]

oh thx

i thought it was something wrong with the codes or sum

[simple scaffold]

comments are ignored. as far as the game is concerned the line ends at the first ;

[woven obsidian]

thx

ummm what a maxhealth value

[simple scaffold]

for alife simulations. doesn't affect combat with the player, just with NPC on other maps

[woven obsidian]

great i dont understand what the developer said in here

im doing a giant and dumb question whats the thing that causes them to fling the body far far away

[simple scaffold]

it's fine 2/3 of the mutnats in anaomaly have nonsence values any way.

[simple scaffold]

those values should allhave HugeKick in the name

[woven obsidian]

whos that

[woven obsidian]

oh

OH

i see now

thx

hey , if i were to tweak a mutant's hitbox

wwhat tool should i use?

[simple scaffold]

blender. that's part of the model. modding book should have something on using blender

[woven obsidian]

oh shii

blender

[surreal gust]

I'm going to port this level

A custom mostly urban map

[ivory cloak]

is there a way to remove all items from traders inventories so i can do a no trader invictus run without being tempted to purchase from them

[naive snow]

Nuke trader inventory files

[ivory cloak]

ok, you know anything that may cause the game to crash in their inventory?

[random fulcrum]

could also make their buy multipliers sky high

so that it becomes virtually impossible to buy anything from them

[ivory cloak]

yah thats an easier idea

[tawny stream]

Not as easy as having self control

[mortal geyser]

ive got a question if someone could help me, i found the LTX files for the outfits cause i wanna tweak some numbers and im seeing in the text section for each armor that says [sect_cs_exolight_outfit_immunities] Is this what im meant to edit or is it the above values i want to edit?

[tawny stream]

But easier than modifying the tables

[vale knot]

ancient chinese proverb

[tawny stream]

Man who walks sideways through turnstyle always going to Bangkok.

[full vessel]

Question for item stats. You know how bandages increase bleeding resistance or something like that? Is it possible that it goes in reverse? For things like alcohol.

[tawny stream]

That's a really good idea.

[potent delta]

Yes, the outfit immunities is the section that handles the armor values. Be sure to have the game open in debug mode so you can open the item spawner and find each outfit's name (it's in green when you mouse over it) so you know which one you're editing.

[mortal geyser]

yeah i found the LTX's so how would i go about applying the changes once im done caus ei had to use the unpacker in the anomaly folder to find them

[surreal gust]

Radio test on custom level

[potent delta]

Make a folder directory that's the same as what the unpacker would use, gamedata/config/items/whatever and then put that into a zip, then install it with MO2.

[spring light]

Still pretty new here, so apologies if I'm asking this in wrong chat.. But why isn't the drop arrow available for the shaders selection in MO2

[naive snow]

Create a dltx mod so you can just override that section value via your own little mod. Pretty easy to do

[naive snow]

Simply because there's no mods under there

[spring light]

Ty

[tame vector]

Is their a mod that plays bury the light when an emission approaches

[naive snow]

Not that I'm aware. You could search on ModDB or online. The Anomaly discord could also be a good plae to check

[simple scaffold]

No. Outfits have protection. Values that decide how good they are as armor.

Immunity section for armor only effects how much damage the armor object in the world takes if you shoot it or drop it in a fire

[random fulcrum]

they're also for degradation when you take damage wearing them

but that's not the case in gamma

[potent delta]

[steel moat]

Hello guys anybody knows how to change the parameter "speed modificatiom"

[grave peak]

Hey anyone know what sfx is being used for the gamma emission siron?

[strange terrace]

how do i gain access to _g.script? its not in my anomaly folder. is there another way to access the codebase?

[sacred token]

You need to unpack the .db files. Go to the root folder. There you can find a folder "tools". Open it and execute db_unpacker.bat to unpack the scripts and config files.

[strange terrace]

gotcha, that worked. thank you

[slow bolt]

Oh boy

You better not touch anything there

[surreal gust]

Don't fuck with it.

[strange terrace]

thanks for the concern - im not editing inside of it or any vanilla script. just trying to find some functions

[royal crater]

does anyone have the link to the lootboxes mod?

[fair canopy]

Search for anomaly loot boxes

[leaden latch]

Hello people, I am making a small modification to reposition the vintorez weapon, but for some reason the changes are not applied, I did everything that is supposed to be done but it does not give me results, I have already modified other weapon repositions before, but the Vintorez rifle does not apply the changes, does anyone know what I can do?

And in case you are wondering, I follow the methods presented in this video to do my personal repositions with some weapons: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6IP8vnjdbc

[naive snow]

Probably because your DLTX or ltx changes are overriden by another reposition mod

[leaden latch]

Now that you mention it, it could be a possibility... I'll check

[past barn]

How can I make the cooked and purified mutant foods' yellow and green icons to appear somewhere else than the bottom right corner of the icons?

Like what file controls this property? I can't find anything

So here's what I want for example, before and after

[past barn]

Or does anyone know what the icons' internal names are? Because I can not find them anywhere

[summer girder]

Only took me a decade, but the icons are in this bit. At least I found the little droplet icons in that .dds, and I hope that's what you've been looking for

[past barn]

I was looking for their item names, as I couldn't find them in any LTX. But by searching for the high tier mutant foods' names I found them in configs\items\items\items_anim.ltx. That should be enough to work with

tch_meal_1_ico and tch_meal_2_ico for the yellow and green icons respectively

[atomic geode]

have you found the solution?

[narrow stirrup]

Yep but I don’t remember sorry i know there was related to atmos and i was trying to patch it for the last stealth update but the author just say it’s too dificult to patch

[strange terrace]

is there a way to initiate actions in code? like firing, aiming, sprinting?

[summer girder]

Ah, pardon

[past barn]

Don't worry

[past barn]

I'm pretty sure there is, the Scar perk artifact (I believe) can make you do random actions under certain conditions. That include throwing grenades, shooting at NPCs etc.

[soft burrow]

I need Russian help

need these translated:
"Let's not go there."
and
"We agreed on not going to these places. Remember?"

Your paid companions will say these when you try traveling to underground levels with them

[fair inlet]

Давай не будем туда идти.
Мы договорились не ходить в такие места. Помнишь?

[soft burrow]

thanks

[fathom wagon]

Looking at regular artefacts' stats, Black Spray seems like a "whatever" artefact. Thinking of giving it a slight "buff" by allowing it to regen proc psy health regen over time while having it equipped. Make it almost the defacto Psy artefact.

Now to find/craft one to test

[random fulcrum]

black spray is the beefiest dedicated psy artefact tho

[fathom wagon]

Compared to having a Emerald though, I personally think it just being a Psy artefact is lost on it. Ofc not its fault, but thought I might give it some utility.

[random fulcrum]

it's part of the bigger issue with artefacts in gamma having extremely inflated stats as to give an incentive to grind for like 6 irl fucking hours to get one to 100%

and then get it to revert to 20% when you weren't paying 101% attention to your inventory screen

but that's besides the point

thing is that stats are so extremely high that ANY artefact that's designed to tackle a very specific niche feels like using them is active self harm

like why run the single best psy artefact when you can idk use a moonlight and also get shock res

or even then, use an emerald, which covers both AND then some

both of them being easier to max out than the black spray

[fathom wagon]

Do you recommend any artefact stat balances that anyone made or posted? Just wanting to experiment to get a better feel on things, even if it means making things feel worse or unbalanced. I sincerely want to get rid of condition, but I want to try a re-balance first before getting rid of it on my load order.

[random fulcrum]

literally only variationizer

otherwise vanilla artefacts

there was this one ancient artefact rebalance mod in moddb that was fun, different and imo not broken at all

[fathom wagon]

Fair enough. Guess I should keep at my edit of it then.

[random fulcrum]

but last time i played with it was like 4 years ago

i don't even remember its name

but it wasn't the one with the hibiscus emojis on the title

[fathom wagon]

They un-DLTX'd it. Now, it essentially modifies the stats on the fly by assigning their tier, then storing that data for loading later.

Hence why I am having to comb through the scripts of it to make sure things work.

[random fulcrum]

yeah variationizer is nasty (in a cool way) coding

[fathom wagon]

Definitely. Even when it just generated new LTX files, that was pretty dope.

[random fulcrum]

yeah

[fathom wagon]

At least now, crafting and all that is still doable/doesn't require a lot of DLTX editing. Although I am going to need to monkeypatch to try and work out making sure you don't end up creating a Legendary from putting together two Commons.

If all else fails, I'll just have to manually create the "variants" and add them where needed + make the recipes I want. Not to mention disable condition.

[safe kernel]

Tell me what kind of soda you need to download so that you can put an axe in the slot from the knife

[naive snow]

There's probably a mod in #1035807043933720576 , search

[safe kernel]

ok

[daring pewter]

#╙🖇mods-making-discussion message

[safe kernel]

thanks

[daring pewter]

[safe kernel]

I did everything the same way but it doesn't work

[safe kernel]

не работает кароч

[daring pewter]

Ты точно тот топор использовал, там несколько секций топора есть

в дебаге посмотри нужный

[safe kernel]

я написал axe в файле и через дебаг выдал себе его и он все равно не встает

[safe kernel]

щас попробую мод переустановить

[safe kernel]

переустановил мод и все работает

[floral rune]

what values do i change to increase trader stock

this is from trade_stalker_butcher.ltx

[sharp canopy]

I couldn't get the WHOLE thing on screenshot...
But other than a text file for the description and icon
There is nothing else I need to specify? Like for the assault camp location

[unreal dock]

how do now install hd models bucause it change

[sharp canopy]

I can't save a file as LTX.
Is that necessary?

[simple scaffold]

https://smartwindows.app/blog/how-to-show-file-extensions-in-windows-11/#:~:text=What is the shortcut to show file,finally HF to toggle file name extensions.

Save as txt and change the extension in windows

[sharp canopy]

I have my file saved as a txt file

[slow bolt]

rename it and change .txt to .ltx

[sharp canopy]

ok!

[woven obsidian]

guys, is there a way to add a mutant mid save? i can add dynamic mutants with its mutants but i cant spawn mine without giving me this crash ( i need a new game for it)

[sharp canopy]

So- this should be a valid task.
I believe I used the correct stuff.
I am using the anomaly funtions for assault tasks...
Is there any way I can test this if it works, OTHER than going in game and checking?

[slow bolt]

!support

[queen pine]

@woven obsidian If you have a question or need help with G.A.M.M.A., please use the correct channel for your problem:

For vanilla G.A.M.M.A. modlist (this means that your modlist is unchanged and untouched): #🔨base-gamma-support

For custom G.A.M.M.A. modlists (this includes mods added by yourself and also mods that are disabled by default in G.A.M.M.A.: #🔨modded-gamma-support

If you are having issues with the installer, or with your G.A.M.M.A. installation: #1026866080347603065

Any other channel ARE NOT support channels. If your question is a support question, you may be asked to go to the proper channel.

[woven obsidian]

no im just trying to make a mod 😅

srr

[sharp canopy]

So- I made a new task for Butcher.
When I select to take the mission ingame, It takes the mission, and then immediately fails the mission

Any idea why?

[simple scaffold]

not really. maybe someone really good at tasks could see an obvious problem but i don't.

[sharp canopy]

Aight 👍
Thank you

I'll try at this for a lil bit then

[simple scaffold]

some things that cause imediate fail print to the console.

[woven obsidian]

whats the different from bip and bone in creating a mutant

[simple scaffold]

you are passing the wronf thing into setup_assault_task. you want to pass in the task ID. not a description string

[sharp canopy]

Ah okay

[sharp canopy]

So, Just "hunter_gar_trader_task_3" and not "hunter_gar_trader_task_3_finish"?

[simple scaffold]

yeah.

[sharp canopy]

Thank you for the help 👍

[woven obsidian]

is it true that original xray from the stalker games uses bip as bones of xray monolith engine

[simple scaffold]

your questions lack context.

[woven obsidian]

ok mb

i should have phrased it better

im trying to make a mod

which is from a mod

basically converting an orignal games' mod into anomaly's

got it to work (sort of since i can only spawn my mod's giants but not anomaly's giants)

plus i also needed a new save

im sorry

[simple scaffold]

those last two are going to be because you replaced an anomaly file

[woven obsidian]

im really new to coding and modding

[simple scaffold]

so the existing mutants were not properly defined.

you should add your ginants to the file in anomaly. probably via DLTX eventualy. but for prototyping just merging the files in a text editor would likely work

[woven obsidian]

oh

ok thank you

[simple scaffold]

base files if you don't want to run the unpacker and just grab files one at a time: https://github.com/Tosox/STALKER-Anomaly-gamedata/tree/v1.5.2/gamedata/configs/creatures

[woven obsidian]

Oh thx

[simple scaffold]

here is where i added the tark back into anomaly by adding it to the cat mutant file. mostly to learn what was involved.

note that anomaly used to have tarks and all of the assestes are still in the game, so i didn't need to add much in the way of art, just recreated the mutant definition in the ltx.

but that does make this a very simple example of adding a mutant.

[woven obsidian]

Tark?

[simple scaffold]

if you got yours to spawn then you probably just need to resolve the file overwriting issue with a proper merge or DLTX.

[woven obsidian]

Oh

[simple scaffold]

https://stalker.fandom.com/wiki/Tark

[woven obsidian]

Oh

I see now

[simple scaffold]

cut content from OG games, added back by mods, included in one of anomalies perdesessors but then removed from anomaly itself, but much of the assests were left in.

[woven obsidian]

I wonder how dynmic mutant addon maker added his own mutants without cooking the engine

[simple scaffold]

depends on what you mean. Leviathans mods all consumed stupid large numbers of IDs. and were generally incompatible with lots of mods.

the DLTX rebuild by demonized improved the compatablity a fair amount.

all the mutants in dynamic mutants are like that tark. A new model attached to an existing mutant class. Kind of like the anomaly lurkers and chimeras, but more drastic. my tark is, in the engine, a cat. So are the ones in dynamic mutants. the DM chickens were tushkano which is why thier wings look so odd.

Lev didn't make the models, he just scrapped them from OG game mods. some are even on MODDB but many were on russian sites.

Lev's code for making the mutants spawn is ugly, and overly complex. the most useful thing in it is the list of spawn locations.

TBH you don't need a script. you can add new mutants to the existing mutant squads like I did for my tark (it has a chance to replace a boar in a boar in a boar squad, just like sometimes a flesh will)

or make all new mutant squads and add them to the lists that get spawned at assorted smart terrains. (better than what i did, but more work)

the script does let dynamic mutants controle spawn conditions more granularly in some ways.

[simple scaffold]

https://www.moddb.com/mods/call-of-chernobyl/addons/mutated-komar-for-coc-v10 Flies came from here.
spiders: https://www.moddb.com/games/stalker-call-of-pripyat/addons/mutants-model-pack-for-cop-1-0

[sharp canopy]

Question?
For tasks... is it possible to clairify the rank of the enemies?

Like for a base assault mission

I want to make the bandits, who spawn, a higher level

Like veteran or higher

[simple scaffold]

it's not spawning them. it's finding them. and there is no way to specify a rank. just a minimum squad size.

[sharp canopy]

Ah, okay

Thank you 👍

[simple scaffold]

you can always write your own status/setup/precond/ect functions and spawn a squad you define your self, or a generic squad of a particular rank and make them the target. you could probably use the assult status function if you did the inital setup corectly.

[sharp canopy]

Question!
How can I find where the smart terrain applies to in world?

Do I need debug to do that?

[spring comet]

Is posible to add a silencer and scopes to a weapon that dosent have it originally? like i want to add the swine 23 and the March-F on in the MP412 (and a stock too) because why not?

[fair canopy]

It depends on if the gun has a silencer bone. Otherwise it becomes much more complicated to add a silencer

Most guns have a scope bone. I added a march shorty in 3dss to the Rex so the scope is possible

The stock too is easy since you're just adding a to the weapon body

[spring comet]

What happened if the weapon in question has originally no way to attacth silencers and scopes? i need to create a bono first?

[fair canopy]

For scopes it easy you can just make it part of the body. For silencers you need to add a new bone and then adjust every animation to include the new bone

[celest forge]

Yeah that's a pain in the ass ngl

[simple scaffold]

run the game in debug mode it should put them on the map.

[spring comet]

Last question, im a person who dosent care of animations if the object works, its obligatory to add/make an animation if the weapon dosent have originally a silencer/scope? or the game will crash? i perosnaly dont care if magically from non-existence appears the scope/silencer.

[fair canopy]

No, it'll crash

It'll have a bone mismatch crash

Like Juan said, it's not worth it

If you just want it to be silenced and don't care about the mesh. Set silencer status = 1

[spring comet]

Ok, thnaks

[sharp canopy]

Question-
I wanna call a dominance Task for Garbage... what piece of terrain should I call?
And how.
Here is my work so far:
I'm just having a problem of SPAWNING enemies

The mission currently instantly completes when I take it

[sharp canopy]

https://github.com/Tosox/STALKER-Anomaly-gamedata/blob/v1.5.2/gamedata/configs/misc/task/tm_marsh.ltx
Here is what I am trying to copy- scroll down to "Blood Redy Sky story line"

[blissful ermine]

Hi all, just occurred to me i might be able to help with fixing up a lot of broken english, poor quality quest and dialogue text, and misleading tooltips. Who would I talk to about helping? I know 1.0 release is supposed to have an overhaul of quests.

[fair inlet]

https://discord.com/channels/912320241713958912/1060608235876388935

[blissful ermine]

Awesome, thanks

[drifting dirge]

Hello, fellow S.T.A.L.K.E.R.S.!
Do you guys know whether there is a way to add the autolockscope property to a scope that is not mounted by default on a weapon?
The Gauss rifle can have that upgrade but I want to create an addon scope - very very difficult to obtain though - with that feature.
Any and all direction will be VERY MUCH APPRECIATED!
Be good.. be well..

[shut bronze]

karlach mod when guys, get on it

[naive snow]

Like a no going back/removal scope?

[drifting dirge]

I mean an attachable/detachable scope.

[naive snow]

Oh you mean the target acquisition stuff of the gauss sight

[drifting dirge]

Yes

[naive snow]

You could start by taking a look at the item 62 ltx, see how the feature is implemented. Copy that to the gun's scope attachment section

You'll find the necessary stuff in the item 62 upgrade tree

[drifting dirge]

It is an upgrade that refers back to a property.. so the code is different.

Look:

[up_fourtc_svd_nimble]
scheme_index = 1, 5
known = 1
effects = up_gr_fourtef_svd_nimble
section = up_sect_fourtc_svd_nimble
property = prop_autolockscope
precondition_functor = inventory_upgrades.precondition_functor_a
precondition_parameter = a & b
effect_functor = inventory_upgrades.effect_functor_a
effect_parameter = something_here

prereq_functor = inventory_upgrades.prereq_functor_a
prereq_tooltip_functor = inventory_upgrades.prereq_tooltip_functor_a
prereq_params =
name = st_up_opt_c1_name
description = st_up_opt_c1_descr
icon = ui_inGame2_upgrade_SVDm2_16

This line is my issue:
property = prop_autolockscope

If I add that line to the scope nothing happens.

[fair inlet]

Athi did the upgrade way for EOTS 62 #1204330633682493482 message

[drifting dirge]

Sweet! I'll take a look at that! Thank's much!

Hahaha! I see what he did! Clever cheat!

Simple.. Love it!

[fair canopy]

i tried a bunch of different way to get it to work but honestly this was the only way that didn't cause a crash

[drifting dirge]

Hi there! I'll try it out in a few mins. Thanks for sharing!

Works like a charm.. I can work with this.. thanks for your work, bud.. I'll buy you a beer! 🍺

[drifting dirge]

Thank you much!

[sharp canopy]

(^) anyone got any idea how dominance tasks work

[stark slate]

so uhmm, is there like a way to prevent weapon dropping at 100% condition?

[fair canopy]

Gamma already does that

[stark slate]

i see, how? is it WPO mod that does it?

[fair canopy]

No idea

[mental pagoda]

Hello! I am here to ask for help. I would like to make an item mod for anomaly with animations. Can someone help me?

Also if I manage to make it can I use it with gamma?

[drifting dirge]

Hello, fellow S.T.A.L.K.E.R.S.! Once again here with a request for some direction:
Why are SR1 and SR2 weapons so prone to jams compared to other pistols and SMGs?
Already modified their misfire settings to absolute minimums and even zero but they still jam much more.
Is there somewhere else this should be configured instead?
Thanks much for any and all input.

Be good.. be well..

[naive snow]

Sure, GAMMA is just a collection of mods on top of Anomaly

[naive snow]

Could be something to do with the 5% jam chance from Grok

[drifting dirge]

Mmm.. okay, thanks. I'll take a look at that as well.

[fair inlet]

maybe has to do with high impair for SP10 ammo

[drifting dirge]

Thanks. Minimized that too.. same.

[sharp canopy]

Does anyone know if the dominance task can be inside Garbage?:

[sharp canopy]

This gets the task to spawn- but not the squads

So my problem is spawning the squad

I can get the task to start up... but Idk how to spawn the units properly- or where to.

Lemme try something real quick

[sharp canopy]

After some “extensive” testing… i can say for certain: This shit is black magic.

I don’t understand how one thing works, and why ANY OTHER way doesn’t… i am so confused, and understand even less of how it works

[celest forge]

I hate this engine so much

why are weapon classes have all this ultra specific gimmicks and restrictions

[naive snow]

You know why, 2007.
What's going on?

[celest forge]

Like

Apparently if you have a tri state sniper rifle

you can't have an unjam anim with it's own sound

Because when you play the unjam animation, the "open" sound will also play simultaneously

[naive snow]

[fair inlet]

for real? Don't blindside's shotguns have a normal unjam anim? Or is this specific for rifles somehow

[celest forge]

No idea honestly

I'm tired of playing the guessing game with this engine

[fair inlet]

K98 in gamma have also have an unjam anim, didn't notice any issues with that

[fathom wagon]

Might have to look into the animation scripts to see if there is a way?

[fair inlet]

but mentioned anims are not scripted

unless someone's willing to implement script for tri state

[slow bolt]

tri state?

[fair inlet]

open > add cartridge > close
like K98 or tube shotguns

[slow bolt]

ah

[mental pagoda]

thanks

[old berry]

anyone knows why when exporting omfs some bones in the action have completely different positions in the export?

[fair canopy]

Your in gamr animations getting corrupted?

[old berry]

no when testing in blender some bones are out of place

it looks the same in game

[winged crater]

any help over this

this is for the KVMAS model merge project

[slow bolt]

Go to #1143233268595044493

this is not the place for support

And to save you the time: Read the guide in to mod folder

[winged crater]

oh thanks

[neon kite]

for tweaking purposes, does anyone know what repair type is the "Historic Repair kit/B kit"?

attempting to change the winchester1873 back to historic kit and I can see what Army kits are called

[random fulcrum]

shotgun

@neon kite

[neon kite]

thanks.

[surreal gust]

Waiting for the openxray sdk to release tho

it will have reworked lightmaps

👀

[naive snow]

It won't add very much if the actual models don't have proper lightmaps UV or the shaders are modified to actual apply the new stuff. You'd have to massively weight down the existing shader pipeline if you wanted to add more quality with something like a directionally encoded main light vector (won't work because of the dynamic time of day stuff either.)

[surreal gust]

I haven't gotten much info about that, but i think these can be generated when compiling a map

[naive snow]

Well lightmap UVs have to be done on a per object basis in something like Blender, the engine can't do it. Even then, I'm pretty sure that only the terrain makes uses of a lightmap, not the actual geometry and objects. Plus you don't really have a light probe system to sample any form of baked lighting for dynamic objects either.

[surreal gust]

It is said, that it's going to be a full-fledged sdk based on existing sdk 0.8

I doubt that it will work for mods like anomaly

it's pretty much for openxray

and when it does get released I will try the new lightmap baker

[random fulcrum]

bbuh buh the oxr amomale merge

[weary mantle]

Any mods that improve cooking? What if I wanna become the Gordon Ramsay of The Zone

[surreal gust]

waiting for that, too

[slow bolt]

Not exactly the chat to ask about mods. Its about making mods

[weary mantle]

I’m stupid

Guide me sensei

[random fulcrum]

the great anomaly divide

[surreal gust]

will fix all of our performance issues, hopefully

steam audio, too

If anyone wants to make 15+ km maps in openxray, you can do it.

[random fulcrum]

yeh that's the issue and why i mentioned the divide

[surreal gust]

meh i don't give a shit

i can just add that it only works for that and call it a day tbh

[random fulcrum]

you'll have anomaly split into people that want to use modern bas, people that went into 1.6, people that stay in gamma and people that went into the oxr merge

[surreal gust]

it's probably going to be a bunch of engine binaries

it'll probably get merged with modded exes idk

if it does then it most likely should work for these mods

all that I care is the new sdk and lightmap baker

and steam auido

[celest forge]

As long as I can keep making guns in the OXR idgaf

[random fulcrum]

guess the only retards that get fucked are the bas kids

[celest forge]

I mean even if that OXR merge thing doesn't happen

Who will trade most, if not all, of their mods for a gun pack

[naive snow]

Frostimus

[mellow oriole]

MULTITHREADING??? yes fucking please

[surreal gust]

already exists, but it's wip

[mellow oriole]

is there a way for me to enable for gamma? id love to be a tester

[surreal gust]

same, if I can make new levels that use the new lightmap baker idgaf

[surreal gust]

bro this is for openxray

openxray is an improved version of xray 1.6

[naive snow]

It's not for Gamma and will likely not be for Gamma for another couple of years if ever

[surreal gust]

based on call of pripyat

[mellow oriole]

disclaimer i am very unfamiliar with the foundations of anything related to stalker modding so i will continue to say misinformed and stupid things as i learn

[surreal gust]

https://github.com/OpenXRay/xray-16

[celest forge]

Anomaly uses a modded version of an engine used for a previous addon

[surreal gust]

vanilla anomaly is basically openxray

but the version is old af

[mellow oriole]

anomaly 1.5.2 uses openxray?

[surreal gust]

yes, but the version is old af

[celest forge]

No

[surreal gust]

how??

[celest forge]

It uses the Monolith engine

[surreal gust]

monolith engine is based off of openxray call of chernobyl edition

[celest forge]

Which is a fork of OXR from CoC, but it's not the SAME engine

It's a branched out version

[surreal gust]

i doubt that a lot was changed in monolith engine

iirc, coc openxray edition was already 64 bit

[mellow oriole]

the way they convert the games to run on openxray has to be so fucking interesting

[surreal gust]

If you'd like to know more about the roadmap for this year, read this

https://boosty.to/openxray/posts/2dcd4a52-f313-4577-bd27-f4be60e83ad5

[mellow oriole]

i love to know everything about it, hell, id love to pop 3 adderall and take a crack swing at making it run on clear skies

i'm in the IT sector but ive always had issues w programming bc i couldnt stay engaged so ive been looking for a project that could keep me interested and sharpen my skills

[surreal gust]

tbh, i don't do any of this coding shit at all xD

I just use the SDK and solve all of my mapping problems.

[mellow oriole]

xD fair and valid when i made minecraft mods i was the same

"nice source code bro"
ctrl+c

[surreal gust]

as well, when i'm configuring .ogf models

scene object models like trees

[mellow oriole]

is there any way you could show me or at least point me in the right direction on how to do that?

or just to get started in general

like how did you get into it?

[surreal gust]

you can go on youtube and search for stalker sdk 0.7

to find tutorials

the sdk i use is a modified variant

it's called hybridxray

you can find it in anomaly modding book

also

[mellow oriole]

why do you use hybridxray over the default sdk?

[surreal gust]

0.4 is for soc, 0.5/0.6 is for cs and 0.7/later for cop

if you're using anything below 0.7 it will not work for anomaly

[mellow oriole]

oh good lord is that why anomaly is such a large project?

[surreal gust]

because it's better.

[surreal gust]

0.7 is for cop and it's mods

the same things goes for 0.5/0.6 but for clear sky

and 0.4 for shoc

[mellow oriole]

i'm sure but would you tell me more specific info on why?

[surreal gust]

64 bit, less crashes, shit tons of qol changes.

new features

[mellow oriole]

ahhh all u had to say was 64 bit

[surreal gust]

just because it's 64 bit doesn't mean it's 10000000+ fps

[mellow oriole]

do u import anything or do u just reference preexisting assets/make ur own?

[surreal gust]

it's going to be smoother to use

[surreal gust]

i use existing assets that were included by the gsc devs

[mellow oriole]

well yeah if they get it to work multithreading will be the gamechanger

[surreal gust]

and custom ones that i downloaded

i'd recommend watching the 3 hour long tutorial from infernis

it's not in english but it explains all of the necessary things for your first map

[mellow oriole]

when you design a map mod does it come with its own asset files for custom assets or do u have to change the base asset files for the game?

[surreal gust]

if it uses custom textures then you only need to add textures

[mellow oriole]

sorry if thats worded weird

[surreal gust]

if it uses dynamic models you need to add those dynamic models

inside the gamedata folder

[mellow oriole]

but you can just add them and its no issue

[surreal gust]

yes

[mellow oriole]

cool

[surreal gust]

scene objects are compiled in the .geom and .geomx files

terrain light baking is done inside "terrain" folder of a level

[mellow oriole]

✍️

have u found that an update to anomaly/gamma has broken your mods before?

not looking for specifics, just curious

[surreal gust]

i don't use gamma

[mellow oriole]

ah

has a game update broken your mods before? im curious because i dont even know what that would look like/what would cause it to break

[surreal gust]

All of my mods are for 1.5.2 atm

if 1.6 released it would take me a day to fix all of the broken mods

or less

[mellow oriole]

what would fixing entail? just using the new sdk and recompiling?

again probably not the right terms

[surreal gust]

not really

just updating the config files

and if they changed the all.spawn file

i will just update that all.spawn file

[mellow oriole]

what is all.spawn?

[random fulcrum]

imagine if all spawn could be loosely loaded

[surreal gust]

stores information of every single dynamic object

smart terrains

bla bla bla

storylines i think

[random fulcrum]

nah storylines aren't there

[mellow oriole]

is that...a smart/stable way to handle that?

[surreal gust]

you see

if you want your levels to work properly

[full vessel]

Oi mates, on a quest to further tweak my game for some good ol' fashioned ball torture. How would I go about making machine gun enemies deal full damage to the player?

[surreal gust]

you have to merge the level spawn file (your map) with the all.spawn file from anomaly

gamma has a different one

so for gamma merge it with that instead

[mellow oriole]

ohhhhhh i understand what youre saying now i think

[surreal gust]

these are important

if you fuck up 1 step

expect crashes.

[mellow oriole]

its like a global asset file/directory and it has to know what exists to use it correctly

[surreal gust]

its just stored inside gamedata/spawns

[random fulcrum]

remove lines 770-773 from the actor damage balancer

[mellow oriole]

yeah what im trying to say is it sounds like its a reference file of some kind that the engine uses to "know" what files need to be loaded

[surreal gust]

i'm gonna continue this tomorrow

[surreal gust]

they're not really files

they're entities

like they can contain an item spawn

like a gun

which contains the coordinates

which level

which level vertex id

etc

they're basically sections

[mellow oriole]

so each map has its own all.spawn?

[surreal gust]

no

all.spawn contains spawn elements from every other map

.ltx files to be exact

they're merged or compiled together

and you get all.spawn file

inside all.spawn is this

[mellow oriole]

so it stores info on all the assets that exist in the levels youre not currently in?

[mellow oriole]

that way stashes are remembered, corpses, dropped items, etc

[surreal gust]

here's a light prop

[mellow oriole]

bc the current level is in active memory, so when u exit the level it writes it to the all.spawn and loads the one for the level u go into

[full vessel]

Shotguns, slugs, and other exotic ammo types were in that actor damage file too. All gone now.

[surreal gust]

yes

[mellow oriole]

is anything im saying making sense

okay i think ive got a basic understanding of what all.spawn is for

now why do you have to reconfig sometimes if the game updates

[surreal gust]

you can still test maps even without one

[full vessel]

Oh shit. Will Pandemic be the hero who restores the radio mod to its former glory?

[surreal gust]

when you compile a spawn for your level

[mellow oriole]

radio mod?

[surreal gust]

a [levelname].spawn file is generated

so you can load the level with that file

[full vessel]

Yeah the faction radios extended uses a modified all.spawn, but it was overwritten by stuff like storyline revamps and new levels, and OG creator was (understandably) too lazy to recompile the radio stuff.

[mellow oriole]

so if you dont want ur map to be totally empty you need a .spawn file correct?

empty probably is the wrong term

[surreal gust]

if you're adding smart terrains

you have to use all.spawn

if you want your levels to be populated with ai

[mellow oriole]

huh that actually sounds like a great first project for me

[surreal gust]

if you're testing the level like scene objects

then you can just use the level spawn file and call it a day

i have to go to sleep rn

its 2 am

[mellow oriole]

yeah yeah okay that makes sense! designated AI spawns are assets specified by the .spawn file

[full vessel]

Good night, soldier.

[mellow oriole]

@surreal gust thank u so fucking much

if u need any tech advice i'm your man

[mellow oriole]

so...tell me more

i'm gonna take it on i think

[surreal gust]

i'd recommend making test maps for CoP first

it's easier

anomaly is harder

since there are extra steps to go through.

[mellow oriole]

i see

again thank you so much

[surreal gust]

np, goodbye

[mellow oriole]

good night

[full vessel]

So, I tried fucking with it, but no dice. I just have a skill issue with the all.spawn.

Anyway, the mods in question are these (search them in your GAMMA folder or Mod List):

• 5- Anomaly Radio Extended - DesmanMetzger
• 197- New Storylines (DLTX minimodpack) - Demonized

[mellow oriole]

and essentially new storylines is fucking up anomaly radio which is why it needs to be reconfigured

could u maybe show me ur process later today when i'm off work?

[full vessel]

I haven't got a clue. I'm in the dark with all.spawn

[mellow oriole]

you probably still know more than me

i'm totally clueless here i havent touched an sdk since hammer engine for gmod maps

[full vessel]

The problem is precisely that I've got no clue with STALKER's SDK

Been doing scripts, textures, configs, sounds, anything but actual model or SDK work

[mellow oriole]

again still more than i know

if youre comfortable with it would you teach me a bit?

[mellow oriole]

what're yall's thoughts on OGSR?

[random fulcrum]

are you making a mod for ogsre

[mellow oriole]

ah i see

no i am not

i was looking at recompiling the all.spawn files for the radio mod

actually i'm hitting a wall atm getting acdc to work

F:\STALKER DEVELOPMENT\acdc pl>perl acdc.pl -d all.spawn -scan configs -sort complex -nofatal
log inited: console
Universal ACDC v.1.38
checking version of all.spawn...
This is a spawn of S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Call Of Pripyat (any patch)
opening all.spawn...
reading header...
reading alife objects...
handling error with generator_dust_static, template C

FATAL ERROR!
Function: stkutils::data_packet::error_handler
Line: 1548
Description: unhandled exception

it is seeing the configs folder, i already verified

i don't know why it doesn't work tho

[mellow oriole]

so what i'm guessing it is, is that i have to find the config of the mod file that is creating that clsid and copy that into the directory as well in order to compile and decompile

Running it on the all.spawn for new storylines gives this error:

F:\STALKER DEVELOPMENT\acdc pl>perl universal_acdc.pl -d all.spawn -scan configs/ -sort complex -nofatal
log inited: console
Universal ACDC v.1.38
checking version of all.spawn...
This is a spawn of S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Call Of Pripyat (any patch)
opening all.spawn...
reading header...
reading alife objects...

FATAL ERROR!
Function: stkutils::scan::get_class
Line: 1919
Description: cannot find clsid for class itm_repairkit_tier_2

so i'm running a crawl to find "itm_repairkit_tier_2" to see what turns up

NVM i found what i need i have to edit my acdc.pl

[mellow oriole]

honestly redact everything i previously said i have no idea what im doing lmao

i'm learning though!

[mellow oriole]

okay...here is where i am at.

no matter what i do, i cannot get past that unhandled exception with the radio mod. i don't exactly know what i'm doing, but since the mod files overwrite each other, i'm guessing i should grab the "newest" all.spawn in the modlist and then go from there. i have been layering config files from the modpack based on dependencies.

i am still stuck on "itm_repairkit_tier_2"

the good news is I see references to this in the modfiles. mod 287, GAMMA Massive Text Overhaul Project, references <string id="st_itm_repairkit_tier_2_name"> and renames it. which means that it is calling something that exists in the game assets that was layered before it

the only thing is, i can't find what that is. it's not the repair mods, i've already imported their configs to no avail.

i have a search tool crawling every file in my gamma folder looking for references to "itm_repairkit_tier_2". hopefully something turns up.

[mellow oriole]

btw, why does the Sleep Balancer mod contain a txt file defining tool items?

okay so, i went into the scan file and saw that toolkit1-3 were given the class ID S_PDA (cse_alife_item_pda), so I added that specific to the sections file, and the error went from a 1919 to a 1548.

just for shits and giggles, i reassigned it to "cse_alife_item" and either that will break shit without realizing or it worked, because now its throwing a different 1919 error for "cannot find clsid for class main_story_4_lab_x10_documents"

pretty sure that just broke shit instead of working tho.

not sure what to do outside of a guessing game at this point.

[jade oxide]

welcome to modding

[mellow oriole]

wait holy shit i think i might have gotten it

idk why i didnt think of it before

i mounted the gamma virtual folder and pulled the config from that and mounted it

i think its gonna need a while to think so im gonna let it do that

my desktop looks like a fucking warzone

i can't believe i've been doing this for 6 hours

ik its still gonna give me shit when its done but

its progress nonetheless!

[spice pilot]

Who can help me? I have problems with BHS on my modpack

[mellow oriole]

your issue is that it's not at the bottom

BHS has UI files as well so you can't put it up on the list bc it'll get written over immediately

small visual showing how many mods BHS overwrites

[spice pilot]

Thanks bro

[mellow oriole]

does anyone know if its normal for all.spawn file decompiling to take a long time?

[mellow oriole]

welp im gonna let it run while i go to bed, pray for me fellas

[surreal gust]

it usually takes a couple of seconds or a minute

[mellow oriole]

its been like this for over an hour now

i can see its doing something its just

taking its sweet time

[mellow oriole]

also u werent fucking kidding. all.spawn is a nightmare to work with on mods

i'm 9 hours deep, scouring 2013 russian forums

[surreal gust]

it literally says a problem occured

also i use a .bat file to compile/decompile

[mellow oriole]

if i CTRL C it asks if i want to terminate the batch job

so it is still running

i think

let me check something

[mellow oriole]

i do too

[surreal gust]

what version of perl do you have?

[mellow oriole]

5.34.3

i got the source code for 5.2 but i have no clue how to compile it into something usable

[surreal gust]

you need perl 5.24

[mellow oriole]

how do i get that

because the shitty activestack team makes it impossible unless you have money

i got ahold of an old installer msi but the fucking certificate was revoked and i dont have the patience to undo that one to install it

[surreal gust]

ok try this

im going to give you my perl folder

[mellow oriole]

are you using activestack for your perl or a different method?

[surreal gust]

im using an older perl version

because newer ones don't work

[mellow oriole]

i guess what im trying to ask is how you set it up in windows so it calls upon the older version

i might need a bit of handholding for this one

tbh i should probably be sleeping rn lmao

it is 430 am for me

i went waay too deep on ths shit

if u send me the perl files im sure i will figure it out

thanks for all ur help man hopefully with a bit more of ur guidance ill be able to get this to work

[surreal gust]

try this

don't be fooled

uncompressed it's 760 mb

put this inside your C: drive

[rapid prairie]

hiii, i'm installing these mods, (A.D.E.G.A, Screen space shaders, AthmosphericsGAMMA + optional upscaled sky textures, aydin's grass textures), do any one could help me, i don't know where to place them in order to have them on and having a good performance without crashes and stuff. THANKSSSSS

[slow bolt]

This is not the place for help with installing mods or describing mods. this is for making mods

you want #╟🔰☢newbies-chat or #╓☢stalker-chat

or even #🔨modded-gamma-support , though that one shouldnt be about helping you mod but helping you unfuck your modded game

[spice pilot]

How to unpack .db0 anomaly files, i just dk

[spice pilot]

Ty

[vague knoll]

Why the hell are those x and y's values ignored?

this is the last ui_body_health.xml file being read in my mo2 (from GAMMA minimalist HUD, as it should be), yet moving the X's to 150 (instead of default 0) doesn't change anything in game

is there like a default x and y position for health and stamina for anomaly? is that why the default values are 0? then where could i find that?

[delicate seal]

??

[slow bolt]

!support

[queen pine]

@delicate seal If you have a question or need help with G.A.M.M.A., please use the correct channel for your problem:

For vanilla G.A.M.M.A. modlist (this means that your modlist is unchanged and untouched): #🔨base-gamma-support

For custom G.A.M.M.A. modlists (this includes mods added by yourself and also mods that are disabled by default in G.A.M.M.A.: #🔨modded-gamma-support

If you are having issues with the installer, or with your G.A.M.M.A. installation: #1026866080347603065

Any other channel ARE NOT support channels. If your question is a support question, you may be asked to go to the proper channel.

[slow bolt]

Why are people coming here with this

[delicate seal]

my apoligies

calm down

[ivory cloak]

is there a way to make gunsmithing tools craftable? i tried this x_recipe_ammo_0 = 1, recipe_basic_0, powder_1,500, powder_2,500, powder_3,500 inside of the craft.ltx but that didnt seem to work

[surreal gust]

a

oops my 'apologies'

[ivory cloak]

i gotta be doing something wrong cause even when i changed the numbers to 50 as it states that i should only use 2 digits it still doesnt show up

[fair canopy]

Are you writing it in the highest craft ltx?

[ivory cloak]

yes

[fair canopy]

Though you should be making it a dltx

[ivory cloak]

i just used the one from mod organizer

[fair canopy]

You have the right item section?

[ivory cloak]

yah its in the repair section, all though i assumed that it wouldnt matter anywayas

[fathom wagon]

That isn't the Gunsmithing Tools. That is a fake ammo recipe note. It needs to be x_itm_ammokit instead

[mellow oriole]

i have an unrelated question. would u happen to know the clsid of "itm_repairkit_tier_2"?

see #╙🖇mods-making-discussion message

[fathom wagon]

Never heard of that item. You said you found it within one of the XML files. What was it named?

Oh it is the Advanced Tools.

[mellow oriole]

fuck im not at home rn so i dont have that exact info. the highest reference to it on the modlist is in 287, the gamma massive text overhaul. but the anomaly radio mod also references it IIRC.

i know there are mods to redefine the string and im not sure if thats creating conflict or not

i dont know the last time the all.space for 5 and 197 was updated, but if it was a long time ago i fear maybe the item string is bugged and i wont be able to decompile without an old gamma version

also disclaimer i taught myself everything i currently know abt stalker modding in the last 36 hours so expect me to say uninformed and stupid shit and please correct me if i do 🙏

[fathom wagon]

You have to realize that string names do not always point to the exact item section name. In this case, the Advanced Tools section name is itm_advancedkit. Also, as far as I can tell, that string you mentioned isn't even used. Like it might've been for used somewhere else before.

[mellow oriole]

yeah thats what i fear

could i manually edit the files to redefine the string as itm_repairkit_tier_2 and then correct it once the allspawn is decompiled?

[fathom wagon]

Never go off of what string names are to try and find an item's section name. It is asking for issues. Mostly for weapons with a scope b/c their section is different just due to having a scope equipped. Yet, the string they use is just the base weapon string.

[mellow oriole]

ahhh ok i see

how do i find the section name? where is that defined

[fathom wagon]

That is defined in LTX files. If you are looking for the section of a specific item in-game for debugging purposes, you can use this mod to have their section name disaplyed in the tooltip: https://discord.com/channels/912320241713958912/1225178998276100156

It won't point you to the file it is declared. It will solely give you the section name and that's it.

What are you trying to accomplish?

[mellow oriole]

ive been told that the all.spawn files for mod 5 and mod 197 have not been compiled in a while so they clash and mod 5 is currently not functional. i want to recompile the allspawn files to fix them

its my first time working w stalker modding so i took it on as a learning experience

[fathom wagon]

Radio stuff is out of my scope. Can't do much to help you there.

[mellow oriole]

i still need to try to use an older version of perl, the last attempt was on 5.34 and i need to mount 5.2 to make acdc.pl work apparently

[mellow oriole]

any advice you can give and what you already have has been immensely informative and i really appreciate it

i'm very much out of my depth here

[fair canopy]

@fathom wagon did you add 45 verybad to drop lists? im getting a crash for a missing section ocassionaly

[fathom wagon]

No, I didn't add anything regarding .45 verybad. If anything, those should be getting turned into normal .45 always.

Which .45 type is it?

[fair canopy]

i think its the normal fmj

[fathom wagon]

Mind showing me the crash log?

That is weird behavior. Haven't seen that on my end.

[mellow oriole]

this is gonna save me so much fkn time. i was basically looking for this function in the vanilla debug console and was sad it didnt exist. tysm

[fair canopy]

if i had it its just been on my list of things to mention

[fathom wagon]

Yeah, I have no idea why that is causing a crash. Missing section would mean it got removed completely. I haven't removed a single ammo type. Only modified or rarely added new types. Wonder if it is some weird mod causing it. Like a mod that rewrites the weapon_ammo.ltx and completely obliterates the very bad ammo

[fair canopy]

i thought very bad ammo didnt actually exsist as sections?

[mellow oriole]

@fathom wagon one more question. does the higher priority mod overrwrite the all.spawn of the lower priority mod? or are they separate files?

[fathom wagon]

Nope, they very much exist, I think they just get lumped with _bad ammo in the ammo wheel. But, GAMMA (and ArtiGrok) handles that ammo via script to automatically convert it to normal ammo to avoid bloat.

[fair canopy]

odd. i know theres a few that appear in the debug whereas most vanilla verybad doesnt

[fathom wagon]

Higher priority (aka bigger number) overwrites the lower priority (smaller number).

[fair canopy]

i was trying to move the out of my debug to make it easier for my icons

i probably fucked something up then

[fathom wagon]

Were you changing the item class to something else to avoid it showing in your debug menu?

[fair canopy]

no... i was just removing them...

...

[fathom wagon]

Do this for all the _verybad sections of ammo in the DLTX:

![ammo_ammoName_verybad]
!class

Without a class, it will not show up in the Debug menu. As for if it messes with other things, that will have to be something you find out lol

[fair canopy]

[random fulcrum]

but one more slot for gimmick ammo

imagine the possibilities

[fathom wagon]

Funny enough, that really botched EFT ammo mod on ModDB got to show 9 ammo types in the wheel.

[fair canopy]

make some uv ammo and make it so that you can only kill certain mutants with it

you can always make the icons smaller

i need to download latest artiballs anway for the new ammo variants

should just call it RathBalls

[fathom wagon]

It'll get rebranded once we are done. Ofc all credit will be given since I couldn't have gotten this far without others helping out. Main reason I still called it ArtiGrok.

[old berry]

anyone knows how to create a world model for a gun? i tried to just copy the hud one and it crashes every time i drop the weapon

[fair canopy]

Select the wpn body bone and go to the object properties. You can set a physics box around the weapon and that'll fix your world model

You have to have all vertex points tied to weapon body though or your model will be messed up

[old berry]

so it should be just a single bone right?

[fair canopy]

Yeah

[old berry]

alright thanks

[fair canopy]

No problem. If you can't find it I'll dm you when I get home

[old berry]

ye i cant really find it tbh

[naive snow]

On the bone property in blender, under the xray section, you'll have a display bone shape. There's a dropdown to pick a shape. You can use the fit button to adjust it. You usually make one for the wpn_body bone and one for the silencer as a capsule. You can optionally make one also for the mag if it really sticks out

I'll be at my rig in a bit and drop you some examples of world models

@old berry These represent the collision shapes of the model when the world model is in the world

You can also play around with the Material property to assign a material type to that particular bone, but I've never done in-depth testing of what that changes in-game

[fair canopy]

you can apply boxes to different parts?

[naive snow]

There's a whole number of shapes you can use and fit. One per-bone

I could do one for the UBGL, but there'd be no point since it's within the WPN_body box

[fair canopy]

does it make it so that NPCs actually remove mag when reloading?

[naive snow]

Not unless the proper bone is specified in whatever the reload animation is

[fair canopy]

Oh, so it won't make a difference?

[naive snow]

It just makes the weapon colision more accurate when physics are involved, probably also the weapon rack stuff

[fair canopy]

AH

[old berry]

great now it says cannot find root objects when exporting

[old berry]

the model kinda phases half way through the floor in game though, i probably messed something up

[naive snow]

Then your bone shape is probably off

[old berry]

i can edit scale right?

cuz it looks fine

[naive snow]

You can scale it, rotate it, move it, etc

[old berry]

then idk whats wrong

[naive snow]

Drop some screen shots or send over the .blend

[old berry]

dont you also you need the ogf

[naive snow]

Nah I'll just check the blend file directly

[fair canopy]

you may have the box coordinates flipped

sometimes it just happens

[naive snow]

How's it looking in-game?

[old berry]

the barrel is in the ground

like the entire half

[random fulcrum]

man i wish someone made a good mauser port

the one in sw pack blows

[old berry]

wait nah other way around the grip is in the ground

[naive snow]

Drop a screenshot or something

Ah you had a fucked up alignment in there, -180 X

Hit edit, Axis Align Bounding Box, then Fit Shape

You should end up with something like this

[celest forge]

You are witnessing it happen wdym

[old berry]

there is no axis align tab

[random fulcrum]

but it's the same model

i'm guessing the same texturest oo

[celest forge]

Not the same model

[random fulcrum]

really

[naive snow]

What do you mean? Its right there in my screenshot too

[old berry]

i think i got it

yeah that did it thanks

[naive snow]

So is that a new mauser model and texture set?

[old berry]

ye a custom animation set too

probably gonna release it today

[naive snow]

Neat. Excited to see the end product

I should fine myself a new gun to model soon, get back on that train

[random fulcrum]

oh shit it's actually a full fledged port

i'm hyped now

[celest forge]

I'll animate it

[naive snow]

Sure that'd be cool, just let me know how deep the rig you want

Or do you simply animate via bones?

[celest forge]

I load up the models into a rig

that's made for stalker

[naive snow]

Right for the hands, but do you want a gun rig too?

[celest forge]

Just the model, I can rig myself

doing that rn

[ivory cloak]

oh ok thanks

[naive snow]

@celest forge actually what are some of the weapon's that currently exist that would be in dire need of a new model?

Thinking of doing maybe a Fabarm martial 12 gauge or something like a FamaeSAF or SG 542. Get some canadian representation

or maybe something real silly looking like a wolverine xp
Look at this monstrosity

That shell ejection is insane looking
https://youtu.be/2L60LO9hcf4?t=10

[celest forge]

LEWD did the Famae

[naive snow]

I reckon the game could use some more short barrels shotguns like the carabiner and ks-23

Give that thing some nice handling

Maybe throw in a nice wood stock variant

[flat phoenix]

can i apply a normal map texture to something like this and it work in game?

[naive snow]

Almost every model in game has a normal map already

[flat phoenix]

wait sorry i mean bump map

[naive snow]

I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say

Are you asking if the in-game objects have a bump map?

[flat phoenix]

i appied a texture to an object on a gun by just doing it in blender and exporting as .obj and it appears in game but its just a diffuse

i want to give it a bump map

[fathom wagon]

I got an even goofier idea

[naive snow]

You link the bump map to the base texture with the THM file you create

[fathom wagon]

I can one-up that
https://fxtwitter.com/REDACTED_AX0/status/1766539561973199164

[naive snow]

It's a nicely done model, shame the same level of detail wasn't applied to the top rail, it really sticks out

[fathom wagon]

Yeah. But, something almost kit-bashed like that sounds like a dumb good idea for the game. Full of gun nuts and lunatics.

[naive snow]

That'd be insane to implement, replace the UBGL with a fat detonating shrapnel charge

[fathom wagon]

I wonder, has anyone every messed around with changing the "ammo" of the underbarrel GLs?

Might be an opportunity for me see

[naive snow]

That'd probably require a whole new particle system and maybe some engine side tweaks?

A UBGL that shoots out fucing rubber bullets

[celest forge]

What about a pistol

[fathom wagon]

Well I wondering if anyone tried to turn a UBGL into a Masterkey of sorts by changing the ammo it uses in the LTX

[naive snow]

Something like a colt new service or a 1878?

[celest forge]

Those are revolvers but sure

I like those too

[naive snow]

Ohhh a smith & wesson single action .44. It's russian to boot

The grip is an actual antler

[flat phoenix]

if i take an existing gun mod and apply a new texture in blender and export it as ogf, does it not need a thm file to link the new texture

i never made a thm but the texture works just fine

[naive snow]

You need a new THM for the new texture you just made. Otherwise only that base color texture will work. The bump map isn't referenced in the .ogf. You need the THM to link it

[flat phoenix]

o ok i see so its not required for just a diffuse map, but if to use a bump i do need to create a thm file for it

[naive snow]

For that new diffuse yeah

[flat phoenix]

got it

[naive snow]

Like so

This is the THM for the diffuse of the barrel, it tells the engine to use a bump map, references the wpn\WZXM4\barrel_D_bump, tells how strong the bump map is

[hard nest]

[summer girder]

[flat phoenix]

is there a way to see if the bump texture is actually being loaded in the game

like other than visually

[naive snow]

Not really. You could paint a silly value in there to make sure I guess

[flat phoenix]

o ok like what

im trying to load a bump thats just fully white btw

to be extreme

but im not sure its actually being loaded

[naive snow]

In the specular channel, just paint something that's contrasted or inverted

[naive snow]

You'll just break the lighting on your weapon that way

[flat phoenix]

o

[celest forge]

A Colt navy would go hard but fuck animating that reload

[mellow oriole]

@surreal gust i finally got time to grab ur perl folder. ty for that btw. i'm gonna try to make sense of the files

i'm not really sure what sxrcdc.pl is

based on its name im gonna guess a shader decompiler

[surreal gust]

that's for .xr files

you can also edit it and decompile gamemtl.xr

[mellow oriole]

HOLY SHIT IT WORKED

HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT

I GOT THE ALLSPAWN OPEN

YOU WERE RIGHT I NEEDED AN OLDER VERSION OF PERL

shit i just realized

i opened this using a config which includes config mods from additional mods i added to my gamma

is that going to cause issues?

[mellow oriole]

YO I FUCKING GOT THE ALLSPAWN TO DECOMPILE

okay now i just gotta figure out how the fuck to recompile this shit to accomodate those 2 mods

uhh.

[full vessel]

If you actually figure this out and release a mod to properly merge those mods, I will make out with you for 10 straight minutes, no socks

[mellow oriole]

i'll fucking take you up on that

i think i'm on the right track

if i succeed you realize i'm dedicating my weekend to making video guides right

there aren't any in english

let's fucking fix that.

[full vessel]

[mellow oriole]

actually i need to do that for more than a few things

like i need to make a core0 video guide

[hard nest]

Can you tell me what should be added to this line? Game consistently crashes referring to this line

[mellow oriole]

@surreal gust idk what it is but your sections.ini is a fucking godsend. i can't decompile without it.

i think its probably this line:

'generator_dust_static' = cse_alife_anomalous_zone

[surreal gust]

that's because it contains anomaly sections

[mellow oriole]

OH SO THATS WHAT IT FUCKGIN WAS

i could NOT find info on anomaly specific sections.ini ANYWHERE

[surreal gust]

you can easily add your own

[full vessel]

SLAV JANK MODDING

[mellow oriole]

yeah but the issue was I HAD NO IDEA WHAT TO ADD

[surreal gust]

it literally told you in the log

[mellow oriole]

my fuckass 1548 errors were not helping me

[surreal gust]

can't find "sectionname"

[mellow oriole]

yes and i add that section and it does the same thing on the next run

[surreal gust]

because there are more missing sections

[mellow oriole]

but it doesnt say the next section it says the same one

[surreal gust]

you didn't con figure it properly

[mellow oriole]

i dont really even understand how that works

as u can tell im out of my depth

oh

NOW it shows a different section error when i run it again

it wasnt doing that before on my 5.36 perl

so in theory i could rebuild the entire section file one at a time doing this

now it makes sense

again thank you so fucking much for all ur help

[surreal gust]

the sections weren't added by me

they were added by xcvb

[mellow oriole]

yeah but youre the one that helped me get what i need to do this

and for that i'm eternally grateful

@full vessel alright so...it looks like in this first file the only difference is the spawn IDS and whatever tf that value at the top of each section is.

right is mod 5, left is 197.

hmmm.

i think most of hte files are gonna look relatively normal and its gonna be like one fucking file that is causing this shit

[surreal gust]

the beginning numbers are section slots

spawn_id must be unique if you're adding new sections

200+ extra

[mellow oriole]

that would explain why a mod 200 entries later would have a significantly higher spawn_id

other than the section slot numebrs and spawn IDs it is the same

[surreal gust]

it's done to avoid errors or problems

[mellow oriole]

yeah makes sense

what am i looking for here exactly? can you point me in the right direction?

i know that i need to recompile the 197 all.spawn to allow the 5 all.spawn config to work

[surreal gust]

you can turn on debug hud in game

[mellow oriole]

but i've been looking and i don't see where the 197 is overwriting the 5

[surreal gust]

and it will give you info like on which gvid (game vertex id) you're currently in

as well as level vertex id

your position too

[mellow oriole]

and then i need to figure out which section slot is having an issue based on what my gvid, lvid, and position are?

[surreal gust]

that's if you're adding new sections

gvid and lvid must be an existing one

[mellow oriole]

i'm not sure if i need to or not, all i know is that something in 197 is fucking 5 and 5 is no longer working as a result

[surreal gust]

you can use invalid lvid or gvid if you're making new level transitions

[mellow oriole]

i see the 197 allspawn has some new sections but i don't think that is what is creating the conflict

GOTCHA BITCH

I GOTCHA BITCH

GOTCHA

GOTCHA

so, the position and direction is WILDLY different on these two. i have honestly not a single clue if these are referencing the "same" object. i'm going to assume so for this first attempt, and simply copy over the missing [logic] block data. i'll do this for every reference to an anomaly radio .ltx i can find, recompile, and test the mod.

@surreal gust one last question, do you have any idea why the position values and the visual names are so different?

oh.

thats why.

https://tenor.com/view/i'm-so-normal-meme-gif-14737821550785092300

okay so

yeah i have to add a new section

but even worse

the numbers for the sections fucking overlap between files

so its not just "adding a new section"

then i have to increase the section count on every following ltx file by one

what the shit

[mellow oriole]

and they need a unique name. fuck it, i'll just assign it a random one. there's no way this value actually fuckin matters for reference

[winged crater]

anyone knows reposition weapons mods?

[mellow oriole]

https://discord.com/channels/912320241713958912/1233027789842546801

I FUCKING FIXED IT

@full vessel

[full vessel]

HOLY FUCKING SHIT

[cinder charm]

Привет народ, подскажите как можно на оружие добавить обвесы ???
Точнее что для этого нужно, я понимаю что всего лишь добавить строчки в ини не получится.

[unreal dock]

anybody can send me link toxic air mod

[fair canopy]

Search it in moddb or in mods posting

[winged crater]

is there a mod for weapon repositioning

[tired dragon]

draggable hud editor

[fair canopy]

With the base offset mod

[unreal dock]

no there isnt

it doesnt support anymore

[low arch]

What scripting language does this game make use of? Having a hard time finding consistent info online. Kinda looking where to get started

Nvm, found the pinned posts -- apologies

[slow bolt]

What isn't there?

Toxic air is there and works just fine if you remove trader autoinject

[naive snow]

@old berry Just saw your Mauser C96 post swanky! Great work man
One thing tho I noticed, the smoothing groups and normals on your gun appear broken and it breaks the highlights

[old berry]

i hadnt really touched the textures since idk how to edit em, juan sent me them and i assumed its good from the box

[naive snow]

It's not an issue of textures (partially) it's the actual geometry normals

[old berry]

idk what that it is tbh

[naive snow]

Want me to take a crack at it? I can try fixing em up if you want