🤖🐛🦑helldivers

[light nymph]

But the new one will

[plain bough]

helldiverleakers working overtime and they got a model of the HD1 tank for us

[pale hollow]

I wonder if ArrowHead decided to overhype a rushed and moderately sized update because they were under pressure (Internal/external) to re-ignite player numbers.
Like, nothing else makes sense right? This update is a massive disappointment and could have simply been labelled as another regular update.... They did not even tie the emergence of new enemies into the narrative structure of the galactic war.

[light nymph]

They DEFFINATELY overhyped the update. It's nowhere near as good and filled with content as they said it is in their trailers

[plain bough]

Bad choice if they did do so, disappointment is gonna be the effect when its basically all this update has to offer

[light nymph]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/553850/discussions/0/4521136490641676812/
That's a great name for the upate

[pale hollow]

At this point the copium/hopium mix I am injecting into my asscheeks is that they stupidly decided to split the update in 2, one half today and the other half with the warbond

[light nymph]

we already know the content of the warbond

my hope was that the warbond was so lacking is because they gonna bring more shit with the "big" update

[pale hollow]

No shit, but there is also the napalm orbital that is not in this update

So that suggests more to come alongside the warbond

[light nymph]

so that means that their "awesome" and "amazing" massive update full of content is paywalled

[plain bough]

Incoming bug MO to go along with the napalm orbital

[pale hollow]

Stratagems are not in warbonds

[light nymph]

so far

[pale hollow]

Also, the napalm orbital had a 5 minute cooldown on the dev stream.
Might have been with negative modifier

[light nymph]

did they show off that "Golden Eagle" armor?

[pale hollow]

Beautiful piss coloured armour

[light nymph]

I heard it's just a recoloured default armor

this true?

[plain bough]

They showed pictures of it

basically yeah

[light nymph]

oh what the fuck

that's horrible

[plain bough]

sorry for shit quality pic

[light nymph]

[pale hollow]

Actually looks kinda nice with the planetside lighting

Oh btw, have you lot tried the AT mines?
-# spoiler: they fucking suck ass, obviously

[fast spindle]

helper armor

[light nymph]

so they work as all mines do

[fast spindle]

do large enemies pathfind around the drop pod

that seems like it'd make AT mines less useful ngl

[pale hollow]

Real AT mines: Light civilian car passes over without exploding.
Helldivers AT mines: A feather has set off my entire minefield, and the feather is still intact.

[light nymph]

the feather was obstructing the dusts freedom to exist and the mines reacted accordingly

[pure plume]

emphasis on feather still intact

[eager cliff]

Lmfao

[latent zodiac]

not really any real balancing on the patch, but i guess its not a patch, its an update just to add shit, so cool ig

at least the 120mm has a use over the 380

might actually start using it over the 380 now that it has such a lower cooldown

still sucks eggs that they are throwing rockts on everything, as if there weren't enough rockets already

[tranquil zealot]

in the menu where the mo are listed is it always scrolling down?

becasue it is for me

[latent zodiac]

oh cool, its upside down now

so it shows the new warbonds first

[latent zodiac]

nah, this is new

they want to hide the fact that the best warbond was the fucking first one that gave you all the good weapons and actually had a longer lasting progression to it

[eager cliff]

the first 3 id say

after that it was really barely a mediocre gun at best

[pale hollow]

I wonder if they are going to make a free warbond for Liberty Day

[latent zodiac]

what the fuck did they do to the flamethrower

[plain bough]

realism

[latent zodiac]

it feels like ass somehow

fucking "realism" in a game like this is stupid

[pale hollow]

If they flames from the flamethrower actually did some damage now that it can't go through enemies then it would be fine, but noooo that would be useful.

[buoyant urchin]

It bounces off surfaces as opposed to passing through

[tranquil zealot]

... if you have a controller connected ... it kicks you out of terminals for any input you make ... this game ... iss ... really really ... polished

[plain bough]

Bet the Warbond flamethrowers gonna be useless as shit lol

maybe the SG Cookout might be something but I ain't hopeful

[buoyant urchin]

This channel went negative as hell

[twin perch]

For logical reasons

Man it's notl ike

We had 1 Good patch

and then every single other one

[buoyant urchin]

The little bit of time i have i launch helldive bots with spear and look forward to playing

[twin perch]

has been constant fucking FUMBLES

[plain bough]

getting hit by the scout strider missles is not advisable lol

[buoyant urchin]

You’re entitled to your opinion but, they still made an incredible and very fun game. There are several other difficulties to play if the hardest isn’t fun. Hard should require teamwork. It seems like thats how they’re trying to build their game from the start.

[plain bough]

I'm also sure the scout striders have infinite ammo on their missles too

[latent zodiac]

i feel like some people (specifically @twin perch ) whine a fucking lot, like i used to
i still play the game, i bitch about it, but i still play it, but its improved a lot in its balancing, but still got problems

[viral shadow]

channels been like this for a long time

whinedivers fr

[buoyant urchin]

And it always will because of all the variety they’re trying to give us

[plain bough]

I'm sure there's plenty of stuff hidden in the files for now

[buoyant urchin]

Im just glad they’re sticking with it despite the main discord’s toxicity

[latent zodiac]

they realeased content TOO fast and TOO good at the very beginning, so now the pace is all weird and fucked up,and in comparison, the current warbonds we are getting dont feal nearly as good

they focus too much on warbonds, and not just additional strats and whatnot

[buoyant urchin]

I like the formula of light weapons for chaff, strats for heavies. Also like the idea of bringing up lesser used strats to encourage use like they did with gatling barrage and eagle strafing run

[latent zodiac]

no mech/vehicle upgrades, the emancipator mech is pretty disappointing because of its damage difference with the autocannon turret, only a few new stratagems, but all of the good, useable shit was out when the game went out, so all the follow up hasn't been as good

[buoyant urchin]

I think they’ll keep messing with weapons and strats that don’t get used. As for your last point, i think the stuff that hasnt been “as good” is now just utility, like plugging holes or messing with sight lines or staggering

Because this isnt fantasy we arent stacking blight and bleed. The only team effects we can contribute are slow down or kill haha

Oh i guess fire

Oh shit gas grenades would be so cool

[plucky steppe]

Crybabies frfr

[buoyant urchin]

I think its done kov

Im enjoying the new enemies they add, the explosive resist armor and shield pack are probably a bit of a necessity against more missiles now?

The ballistic shield had physics updates, not sure what that means. I know they expanded its protection border, and it used to take 1 cannon strike before breaking clean, so I wonder how it is for missile defense now?

[chilly badger]

Aight

Tried the At mines, because i'm a silly little mine boy.

The AT mines are everything the AP mines SHOULD be.

Indiscriminate, large AOE group deleters that shred anything but heavy armor.

As actual AT i would not recommend it.

But as a chaff deleter, great.

[tranquil zealot]

is the commando actually any good?

[plain bough]

Mostly for the bot front

still fine for bugs tho

[tranquil zealot]

can it kill chargers, biles, tanks, hulks, walkers?

[plain bough]

yeah

hulks is one shot if you hit the visor

[tranquil zealot]

compareable to eat or worse?

[plain bough]

slightly worse in terms of damage but 4 guided/unguided shots

[tranquil zealot]

hmm sounds ok to me kinda

[pale hollow]

Bringing both EAT and Commando is good fun, endless disposable AT

[buoyant urchin]

WHAT THE FUUUUUUCK

hell yes!

[narrow trout]

so is this yet another fumble?

[pale hollow]

Minor fumble, large disappointment.
You know the thing some people say "I'm not angry, just disappointed."

[narrow trout]

ah

[pale hollow]

Well, maybe a little angry (flamethrower 'fix')

[narrow trout]

i will never forgive them for that

[twin perch]

Railgun fix moment

[loud ice]

Nah I think it's a W patch

I dunno why people thought it was gonna be more.

[pale hollow]

Must be the fact that it was a named patch that they hyped up with a countdown on social media.

They never should have done that for a patch like this.

[loud ice]

I didn't know about that lmao

Okay I totally understand now.

It's overall a fine patch, but they definitely could've done more with it, I concur. I can see people's disappointment.

[eager cliff]

Yeah like.....i guess we got content but

Is it gonna increase the progression / longevity ? Not really

Difficulty 10 is fun until it isnt and you realise you can just go 7 or 8

[plain bough]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/553850/view/4339866062688017482?l=english

[eager cliff]

[plain bough]

You would've think they decreased the railcannon shot timer considering at higher diffs multiple heavies are gonna spawn at once

[loud ice]

I don't disagree with any of the changes.

I do wish there were more, but hey.

I'll take what I can get.

[buoyant urchin]

Orbital rail to me is something to pair with another more available explosive like precision or airstrike

[slim coral]

My another day of

How the fuck did they drive helldiver so hard to the ground

[latent zodiac]

they released all the good exciting shit first, and too quickly, so now everything afterwards feels like shit in comparison, and isn't coming fast enough to quench the content hogs

[pale hollow]

from the dev steam

[latent zodiac]

50K ON SCORORORORORORORO?!?!?!?

[fast spindle]

nope sorry, only nerfs

[pure plume]

i played helldivers 1 a lot but i cant remember what the 3rd enemy type was

i know bugs and bots

[twin perch]

Ofc

MLS-4X Commando:

The ability of Commando's missiles to destroy Automaton fabricator buildings from any angle was unintended behavior. However, the community clearly voiced their enjoyment of this particular bug. We do plan on fixing this but have decided to take some time to think this through and not make any rash decisions on how best to rebalance this weapon.

Fun not allowed

[fast spindle]

dude how do they manage to do it

any fun feature, bug or not, somehow gets "Fixed"

[twin perch]

AH is balancing this fucking game like live service pvp

Instead of like

[fast spindle]

flamethrowers got "fixed"

[twin perch]

Fun PvE game

[fast spindle]

under the guise of realism

fucking realism

this isn't dayz

and even if it was realistic, it'd be effective against bots too since you'd melt their optics and cpus and shit

and bugs would avoid fire since fire hurts

alot more than tiny rounds bouncing off your carapace or whatever those bugs have

[twin perch]

Yeah idk these bitches call us whinedivers

But the game is worse than at launch

[fast spindle]

i have not touched it in ages because it just seems like the shit i liked running at launch is unusable now

[pure plume]

thats just sa

d

sacrifice game on altars of bullshit authenticity

[twin perch]

Basically + Performance is still fucked btw

and I love how the realism argument gets thrown around so much when it's like

Silly Space game about killing Space aliens

[fast spindle]

i really feel like anyone who balances around realism only balances around the bad parts

its never how flamethrowers shoot far and fire sticks around much longer

or how AT mines aren't set off by a a footstep from an infantryman

or how the giant fleshy exposed bit on a bug's ass SHOULD kill it faster than shooting the armored chitin covered legs

[twin perch]

Yeah or how like, armor ablation is a thing

Devastators suviving a HEAT rocket to the fucking chest

(CHainsaws)

or the exhausts of the automatons suriving rockets

or how all the helldiver main weapons fire like large caliber rounds that can barely defeaut light armor

[fast spindle]

or how robots are just as damaged by heat as living shit

or how fabricators should be destroyed by like every rocket launcher that isnt the airburst one

[twin perch]

I love how like

the turret autocanon is just better

outright

can kill stuff without the bullet bouncing off

why

you try doing that to a charger and might as well kill yourself

the sharpnel ricochet is another stupid one

[fast spindle]

bugs instantly die when you blow their leg / head off so they clearly have a brain somewhere

i should be able to 1 shot like any bug with the railgun if I snipe that tiny lobe

[plain bough]

Well, used the flamethrower for quite a bit, still works real well against small bugs

even brood/alpha commanders, idk what people are saying that it doesn't work against them

just doesn't work against chargers

[shy schooner]

The rocket turret is goated as well

You throw it far away and then watch it rack up 40+ kills

And it can snipe gunships

[plain bough]

Only thing annoying is enemies will focus on your turret so it might not even get half its ammo off before being destroyed

[shy schooner]

That's why If I'mma start fighting, I throw it behind me to the right or left (depending on my position and what's give the turret more of a firing range)

Draw the agro, and just let the rocket turret rain hell

[twin perch]

[plain bough]

See yall tomorrow when the warbond drops

[twin perch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1059489308286926868/1270747386246987826/they-really-should-stop-using-this-metric-its-really-unfair-v0-4gdxmjwe47hd1.png?ex=66b4d33a&is=66b381ba&hm=77ed2326cde56d42b87b16c71b181fb5b8eebcba52229aabc7806e482a93d036&

THEYRE FUCKING DOING IT AGAIn

X% OF WEAPON USED

ITS TOO OP NERF IT

[plain bough]

top used weapon = next in line to be nerfed

[twin perch]

it's fucking datasheet balancing again

[plain bough]

perhaps don't nerf the top used gun because its used as intended for the enemies

fire don't mix well with organics

should've upgraded the Spray n Pray or regular Breakers instead

[twin perch]

Spray and pray is so bad

and it looks like a such fun gun

it's like

90% of guns in the game

"this would be great if it worked vs hordes a bit more"

and it's like

"1 bug breach o ut of ammo"

[plain bough]

If it had higher damage and a duck bill cone of fire

make it better for spraying down in a horizontal cone infront of you

[twin perch]

Yeah it's just

weapons need pen 4 baseline

penning medium armor for 60% dmg? that's good it mneans aiming it's more rewarded but you can shoot your way out of a bad one

pen weapons doing 100% damage (and actually having good damage) would also mean you can use more weapons

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1059489308286926868/1270748495472754718/i-lost-all-hope-to-this-game-v0-4rbm4ue136hd1.png?ex=66b4d442&is=66b382c2&hm=60a7a428976e938ef31dc70fbf621e74500270fdc8a28b9f8dbbed0bde859604&

[fast spindle]

"we like cherrypicking feedback"

[dire igloo]

I dont get it

Nerf weapons in pve game

https://tenor.com/view/animals-thinking-scratch-monkey-gif-15272665

[twin perch]

"meta" in pve games

[dire igloo]

This makes no fucking sense

[twin perch]

Like

what's going to happen if somethins too strong

"Oh every runs 1 weapon"

ok buff the others then?

"no"

[dire igloo]

Exactly

Deep rock did that

Nobody used the default scout gun

Cus it was shit

They buffed it into being viable

[twin perch]

Like the game is kinda not good in playhers already

most hyped update since june

50k

carefgul now

[eager cliff]

and warbond is tommorow

[viral shadow]

whinedivers back in full force

[twin perch]

[plucky steppe]

me when in a complaining competition and i’m against helldivers 2 players

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-wtf-what-despair-gif-25501445

[fast spindle]

the thing is

it's only meta because its the only shit useable against the hordes of armored bullshit bugs they keep adding

yeah no shit people are gonna use the most effective gear when thats the only way they can beat tier 9 missions when you spawn 40 chargers

[fast spindle]

"wow! it's everything i never wanted!"

[narrow trout]

if i knew helldivers would slowly nerf everything i liked i would've saved my money for EDF

[fast spindle]

edf 6 is still kinda mid, atleast it has a campaign

[narrow trout]

womp womp still an EDF game i can blow bugs up with unecessary firepower

[fast spindle]

:3

[narrow trout]

then again space marine 2 is right around the corner

[fast spindle]

save for that

that looks so good

i think its the only 60$ game im buying this year ngl

[plain bough]

Still waiting on that Stalker 2 gameplay

[sharp kindle]

arrowhead really want to be the new fromsoft

[tranquil zealot]

i can already see them giving a talk on ... "how to not balance a game"

[earnest stag]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dM7WU3ZRBTQ

[twin perch]

Heresy

@narrow trout EDF6 is peak

But save for SM2

[earnest stag]

im playing through it yet again on Inferno lel

Its a Pain

fun pain

[narrow trout]

how is inferno compared to 5?

[earnest stag]

Easier.

But also harder

its a wild mix

some missions are extremely hard

some are piss easy on Inferno

[twin perch]

Anal in DLc

I have DLC 1 and. 2 from ub

Reasons

And let me tell you

I dont think they are possible solo

[narrow trout]

nah i'd win

[twin perch]

Actually malignant

Im dying on hard w 17k armor

||Hornets but they have machineguns that never stop firing and have 5k hp each, in regular numbers.||

[lunar hamlet]

nah phobos will carry

[narrow trout]

no the fuck she wont we gon die homie

[lunar hamlet]

😔

[twin perch]

I was using a lvl 104 inferbo AR

[earnest stag]

im kinda pissed that those are still not on steam

[twin perch]

Yeah I dont know why

The story is uh

Not gripping me?

Main story did grip me hard tho

[earnest stag]

Yeah i loved the loops,the last mission was weird just as in 5

[twin perch]

Its ||An alternate timeline with the corporal?||

[twin perch]

Last mission as always suffers from being a 40 min slugfest bring a 3000m sniper

[earnest stag]

its also hilarious ||how it got from 70% of humanity wiped out to just 30% wiped out||

[eager cliff]

honestly

[twin perch]

Yeah

[earnest stag]

As if everyone turned super soldier

[twin perch]

Thats the best ending too

[eager cliff]

they rly have no idea how to balance this game

or rather , to not make every weapon shit

like .....flamethrower is too op , make it burn a bit more fuel or idk

[twin perch]

||its both Storm-1 being gigagod and Prof w the super science improvs||

[eager cliff]

nah man they made it shit

why

[earnest stag]

Toxic balancing

thats why

Its called like that

[twin perch]

Spreadsheet balance

They said as mucb

[eager cliff]

pretty much, or Tarkov Balancing as i know i t

[twin perch]

People say we whinge too much

These are the same cunts who enjoy being ass fucked by the devs

[eager cliff]

I mean if it's not good it's not good, they got praise for what it was due

But they will also get shit

[twin perch]

The big balance patch they got super praised

Then it lasted 3 days till heavy spawns broke

And patrol spawns

and it didnt get fixed

[narrow trout]

wait patrols are still broken?

[earnest stag]

They just do it very wrong,if one weapon is getting spammed they need to buff the others and make them more interesting to use

not nerf that one and have every weapon shit

[twin perch]

Patrols and spawns

Broke and were never fixed

[narrow trout]

dude

its been several months

how

[twin perch]

Like 3 days after the inital fix

And they havent acknowledge it

Btw BTs can just not suffer damage to head

Lmao

[twin perch]

They literally fucked off for vacations

Overhyped this

And nerfed the flame weps for the flame wb

Lol

[eager cliff]

like they literally came back to work

immediately nerfed popular weapons into the ground and here is a warbond made of weapons we just nerfed into the ground

https://tenor.com/view/giga-chad-gigachad-meme-giga-talk-talkmeme-gif-27266504

[latent zodiac]

oh my fucking god

i have never hated the idiot fuckers balancing this game more in my life

why would you nerf a weapon
THAT IS FUN
AND USEFUL
AND ALONG THE THEME FOR YOUR NEW FUCKING WARBOND

flamethrower cant kill chargers anymore

literally the only thing it countered other then basic warriors and maybe a brood commander if it wasn't charging at you

because everything else just walked through it and hit you if you were to close

fucking 15 rare samples gone because i am trying to death to kill 1 charger with a flamethrower, and its REFLECTING AND BOUNCING OFF THE FRONT, so fuck me for wanting to use a weapon that is fun

props to AH for making an amazing game, but constantly fucking, unfucking, then refucking the balance for it constantly

[shy schooner]

EAT 🤤

I'm eating good when I get back home

[latent zodiac]

i was on a D4 because i wanted to get some more rare samples, and brought flamethrower because i was under the impression that the flamethrower nerf wasn't so fucking awful, that it wasn't useable against chargers anymore

its unbelievable how even playing the game solo on one of the lowest difficulties, still finds ways to fuck me over, either bring the cooldown of railcannon down so i can use a different fucking support weapon, or stop nerfing shit thats FUN
inb4 EAT nerf that adds arming distance because "muh realism" in a game where you drop from space in a concrete dildo

[shy schooner]

[latent zodiac]

nerfing the railgun was fine because it wasn't fun, it was just convenient
flamethrower was fun, because flamethrowers are cool and fun as an idea and weapon in almost any game
and because you could kill chargers arfter a while with it, and it also took SKILL to use against chargers, unlike the railgun, which was relatively brainless

[twin perch]

Where you bitching about whinedivers Flash

[shy schooner]

If they add an arming distances, its honestly beneficial to me, cause now I've got a big ass tube to punt one of my buddies with

[latent zodiac]

kosm you double cunt, shut up

[shy schooner]

And side stepping a charger is easy, what makes me upset is the charger behemoths being spawned constantly

That's some ba

Bs*

[twin perch]

#🤖🐛🦑helldivers message

[shy schooner]

They make it so chargers die in one hit to the face with AT and then they introduce the behemoth

[twin perch]

Yeah yeah eat shit Flash

[shy schooner]

That's a "make is make sense moment"

[latent zodiac]

oh yeah, fuck me for having fun
your dumbass probably dont even play the game you whine about
still gonna play the game, only gonna have to use the same bullshit that everyone else uses, because its the only shit that works

[shy schooner]

But then one eagle air strike and he topples over like an other mf

[twin perch]

Satisfaction

[shy schooner]

Ooohhh, what's the new Arty bot like

Haven't been able to play, is it as cancerous as people make it out to be?

[plain bough]

which one

[shy schooner]

The tank

The MLRS

[plain bough]

easy and annoying at the same time

[shy schooner]

Does one explosive to the turret insta it?

[plain bough]

if it decides to close range barrage your ass better get outta the way, if its in mortar mode its fairly easy to get rid of it

[latent zodiac]

"hey AH, its sorta bs to fight bots rn, because you get passed around like a white girl in a dog pound, because of all the rockets ragdolling you"
AH "your feedback is heard and appreciated" adds more rocket enemies to bots
"huh, ok, well, more enemies is cool, but the charger and heavy spam on bugs is sorta ridiculous"
AH "completely understood" fucks over one of the few weapons that can be used against the heavy spam

[plain bough]

same as any other tank for the most part

Scout Striders are annoying tho

a bunch of em in the usual patrols + 4 missles on each at higher diffs

metal box protects them too well enough, gotta take out the legs to kill em

only thing realistic AH decided to give bots is that Scout Strider missles are not infinite, 4 shots and they're finished

[latent zodiac]

its fucking hilarious that AH fucking with the flamethrower physics will just make everything in the warbond tomorrow useless if its also applied there

[viral shadow]

whinedivers 3: revelations

[latent zodiac]

still have to play the game because at least its not fucking destiny, and finding someone to play left 4 dead with is impossible, because everyone is in gatekept little groups now

there's bitching about game balance and dev team decisions that dont make any fucking sense
and then there's whining about "muh updates" and content not being out fast enough

[viral shadow]

this channel is genuinely like what the tarkov channel would look like if 90% of users were just ivan yelling into an echo chamber

[latent zodiac]

i pity tarkov players who didn't buy the game just to play the spt mod, its in such a shit state rn, and has been for a long time

[eager cliff]

i mean if the changes were satisfying people would play not write here so...

[latent zodiac]

god i wish i had a better game to play that i wouldn't immediately get bored of afer 15 minutes

[buoyant urchin]

Stalker gamma

[latent zodiac]

ew no

im not that much of a masochist

game crashed

:)

[buoyant urchin]

I don't know man, this isn't a AAA company, they're going to follow their vision as close as they can, and consistently update/change stuff to meet it. All the bitching done here isn't seen by AH, they do make concessions to bitching as is apparent, but not on this thread.

[fast spindle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1100161585831477398/1259557588866039918/ssstik.io_1718201689270-ezgif.com-resize.gif

[fast spindle]

their vision clearly isnt this type of balancing

pilestedt himself said that they were being too heavyhanded with it

[buoyant urchin]

and they've been less and less heavyhanded since his stepping down

and they've also stated that they want primaries to counter chaff, support for mediums, and strats for heavies

[fast spindle]

strats would be good for heavies if they didn't send like 5 at you at a time

[buoyant urchin]

They reduced the number of heavies. It's also why 4 teammates have strategems, we vastly outpower anything bots or bugs send us but they designed the game for people to stick together and communicate

I just, really don't get the complaining

I love the game and I liked how this thread started out with the fun stalker peeps, I'd like to fix it but that's not up to me

[fast spindle]

https://gyazo.com/2bd166e1995cb0798ca02f1fb00fed90.gif

[latent zodiac]

very arrowhead move to just ban people on the discord who backlash and bitch about crappy balancing in an update

balancing the game around every squad being a 4 man in a discord communicating perfectly is stupid, because that's not possible for more then 80% of the playerbase
i could not give less of a shit about the incen breaker, slugger, or GL pistol nerf, because they basically did nothing, they were barely nerfs
fucking the flamethrower SO BAD to where it can't perform the one job it was SUPPOSED to perform well (dealing with swarms) is another thing entirely, the whole POINT of the flamethrower was that an enemies corpse wouldn't block the damage to the alive enemies behind it

and this is after they had a good ass, mostly (if not all) buffs update, and went on about having new balancing strategies, and not nerfing things anymore
which is looking like a complete lie, because they are using the same balancing strats as before (balancing based off of spreadsheets of what weapons is used the most) and yet again just randomly nerf shit

i love the game to death same as you man, im just not over here trying to act like nothing is wrong, when something obvously is
im not gonna to shit on every update like SOME ( @twin perch ) do, but this was a fucked up update
people came back for it, that's great, but the people who have been loyally playing the game since the last updates feel fucked over because of being lied to

but fucking the FLAMEthrower and FLAME shotgun over not even 3 days before the FLAME update comes out is crazy to me

i dont even like using the incen breaker, its boring to me, it feels meh when i use it, but its one of the few weapons that work good for swarms and hordes of bugs on higher diffs

i tried using the normal liberator a little while ago again where i would usually use the incen breaker
it felt better, because that's the type of weapon i would normally enjoy and have fun using, but any difficulty higher then 6, or sometimes 5, i just could not keep up with the amount of hunters and shit, so it took the fun out of it

im gonna stop yapping my ass off now, last thing im saying is that i hope to GOD the actual warbond shit is awesome and worth all this, and that they maybe roll the flamethrower thing back

[buoyant urchin]

Their CMs keep losing their jobs, it isn't the same people
I've said the flamethrower is great for setting the ground on fire, could try that then direct hits. In the trailer the weapons look like they work fine, if there's changes to be made they'll do it post release fairly soon. They're capable of hotfixes

[latent zodiac]

CMs (i assume you mean community managers here) don't have a real say in the balancing, they are usually told by someone who does have a say or hand in it what to say about balancing or future stuff
and most of the quotes that feel like lying are from pilestadt and the new ceo themselves, talking about how they weren't gonna nerf anymore, and that they planned to have mostly buffs now
also, the flamethrower doesn't really set the ground on fire nearly as well or the same way, it still just, BOUNCES off
because fire (and also assumably napalm) not sticking to something is "realistic"

[slim coral]

Made Warbond based on fire

Nerf fire

I wonder what did AH smoke this time

[latent zodiac]

smoking that illegal bug acid/bot oil mix pack

[slim coral]

Had they ever

Not smoked crack when balancing gameplay

[eager cliff]

people are complaining now because we waited extra time for a hyped patch just to have random nerfs

Flamethrower was ok , it was not spammed imo , i played diff 7-9 bugs and flamethrower wasnt a 100% always pick, it had it's niche

it was good , yes , but with the fire upgrade too which is a grind still

and then they release a Warbond where the same fire damage is 100% of the guns , however it's nerfed lol

Like hard to get excited when u waited this long for a change and ....it's not it

Buff the fucking primaries ffs , thats where the problem is now , not the support weapons, many primary guns are still absolute dogshit this is why everyone was using incendiary breaker on bugs, because it did stuff the other guns didnt

[latent zodiac]

preach fr fr

https://tenor.com/view/preach-it-clap-applause-clapping-gif-15452412

i used the flamethrower on bugs because it was fun, and because non of the other support weapons were really capable of doing what it did, which was really. really good swarm control
but now it cant go through bugs or bug bodies, and cant do shit to chargers, and it also feels like ass now
i would rather not use the incen breaker, because i never liked using it in the first places, i would rather use the stock liberator, or something similar, but nothing else has the swarm control the breaker has

[eager cliff]

and then you have the "secondary missions" where even on diff 10 , after you extract with the bug larva or whatever , you get a generous amount of 2 rare sampels and 4 commons

thank you so much

this will make a difference in my 250 rare sample grind to unlock a useless upgrade

[latent zodiac]

they tell us "primaries for fodder, support weapons for mediums, and orbitals/eagles for heavies"
fucking cool and all, and i would agree, if it weren't for the fact that
1.barely any primaries are good against large amounts of fodder
2. support weapons are pretty wasted on just mediums, which would be shit like the brood commander
3. support weapons are also not even good at getting rid of mediums, because at higher diffs, mediums spawn by the dozen
4. the orbitals and eagles either have such long cooldowns (which are massively exacerbated by mission effects), or you need to be pin-point fucking accurate with them (which is also made much more difficult via the planet environment, and, get this, more fucking mission effects)

just give us extra charges of railcannon before it goes on cooldown, or reduce its cooldown by a bunch, so we have a viable anti-heavy orbital, then while we use that, buff everything else, so the 500kg has some kind of fucking explosive range on it

[eager cliff]

they also put too much faith in random teams

they expect a team of 4 to coordonate their strategems and preserve them

use them when it must

in reality everyone just throws their shit , so when you get 4 bile titans, nobody has their railcanon or shit to deal with it

which ends up in 20 minutes running around circles reinforcing

[fast spindle]

flamethrower was good against bugs, but it wasn't the outright best support weapon to use for any mode

i dont get why they nerfed it

[eager cliff]

it rly wasnt

[fast spindle]

it was like flash said, only really good against swarms of small stuff because it let you hit multiple at once

it was kinda like that arc gun

before they fucking nerfed it to being unusable

[eager cliff]

like the most picked support gun is the autocanon

[fast spindle]

and it's still not very good lmfao

[latent zodiac]

i can agree that it was a bit """""op""""" against chargers, but they could have just fucked with the durable damage or somehting so it took longer to kill chargers specifically, maybe 5-6 seconds
but fucking it over against everything is crazy

[fast spindle]

autocannon shots bouncing off shit

have devs not heard of HE

[latent zodiac]

still isn't all that great tbh, its just the best "jack of all trades, master of none" type thing, where its almost always a safe option to take it

[fast spindle]

it was fine against chargers because they fucking swarmed you with them

[latent zodiac]

[fast spindle]

it would be OP if they only sent like 2-3 at a time

no you get flooded and even if you dodge em all some brood commander or hunter will come up and ragdoll you

[latent zodiac]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/493156996644864001/1271007768542707753/VID_104770823_182958_045.mp4?ex=66b5c5ba&is=66b4743a&hm=2030f3fc7cd4a16b239f168b80d415a1e9ed10269be76bf1531b5ce0fc5db148&

wrong place but whatever

meant for #🎪bruh-fart

[fast spindle]

"use a 500kg" someone will prolly say

[latent zodiac]

hunters
fucking
goddamn
hunters

[fast spindle]

the 500kg is so damn bad

its SOO bad

[latent zodiac]

it needs its damaage and range turned way up

[fast spindle]

for a 500kg bomb the radius shouldn't be that of a normal ass orbital strike

[eager cliff]

i agree, the 500kg purpose was not needing to aim it at the heavy , since the damage should be large enough to cover the area

but nah, if you missed the heavy it barely damages

[latent zodiac]

and you know what
fuck everything at this point, you wanna make shit """""Realistic""""" so bad AH, and fuck my flamethrower, because apparently flame doesn't stick to things
add shrapnel to all explosives

[fast spindle]

i should be able to kill whatever's in the center instantly and have the edges of it atleast instakill the smaller stuff

i see tiny bugs walk out of 500kg smoke

[latent zodiac]

the precision strike is basically a better 500kg anyway

[fast spindle]

its such a shit strategem

[latent zodiac]

as long as the booger eaters on the ship can fucking aim it away from a tree or mountain

[fast spindle]

and you need to aim it precisely too, because otherwise it'll hit a hilltop or land directly on a charger and not kill it

because for some reason direct hits fuck up the radius of it

whinedivers will end when devs decided to buff bad stuff instead of nerfing good stuff to make the bad shit relatively better

[latent zodiac]

this was such a weird ass update
i was pretty hyped for it before all this as well, so its dissapointing to see my favorite weapon get dumpstered just because alex probably looked at some fuckign spreadsheet of what support weapon is used the most and decided "fuck fun"

[fast spindle]

i was hyped too

[latent zodiac]

we aint whinedivers man, this is bitchdivers
we are bitching and moaning about actual problems, whinedivers whine and cry about "muh content not fast enough!!!"

[fast spindle]

"oh cool new really strong enemies, surely they'll buff weapons so we can fight them easier"

[latent zodiac]

if this shit happens a third time, where they promise not to nerf shit needlessly again, and promise to actually change their fucking balancing strategy, but end up doing this shit anyway again
its over for the game and AH, fool me once? fuck you, fool me twice? REALLY fuck you, fool me 3 times? fuck you and im leaving

hoping to god the feedback they are getting yells "ay fuck this shit" enough for them to rollback some of the balancing sometime after (or maybe even before) the warbond comes out

[viral shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-sticker-line-sticker-bye-sticker-goodbye-sticker-hand-wave-gif-258461332157874545

[latent zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/schlatt-jschlatt-gif-25279056

[viral shadow]

jonathan schattington the IVth

[twin perch]

Tbh this patch is getting bashef because well

They outright had the greatest patch

Where they did fab

Then they did this

[twin perch]

Oh god helldivers is like Destiny 2

[plain bough]

Soon its time

Armor design kinda cooking

hehehe

[fast spindle]

havent they used that top middle helmet before?

wait did they make flamethrowers worse just to roll out a warbond that is only flamethrowers

lol

lmao even

[plain bough]

Ok, tested it out

Primary flamethrower is pretty good and has about 10 seconds of continous flame in each canister, 6 spares

Sidearm flamethrower is ass with 4 seconds of flame time

[fast spindle]

do they shoot any farther than the support

or are they still stuck being melee range

[plain bough]

just about the same, decent range on it

but sidearm is smaller

SG Cookout is pretty good too

Hellpod booster not that great tbh

basically the equivalent of an incendiary grenade exploding at point of impact, got more chances of FF lol

[plain bough]

So far, for the theme of this warbond, it's good overall

[plain bough]

Ironic, first team I've seen that hacks in this game and its chinese players lmao

[loud ice]

That's just expected.

[loud ice]

They just opened an official feedback form through Dyno, now. Which is pretty based.

[loud ice]

Honestly, the Flamethrower is still fucking awesome. I don't know why people are malding so hard. I feel like it deals even more damage now, but that may be placebo.

You just need to shoot weakspots on bigger targets. Like if you get the chance to flame a Charger's ass, it's so over for him.

[twin perch]

Chickned after the negative bombing

The game is dead anyways

They basically have done everything they can to ruins the playerbase enjoyment

[loud ice]

Lmao

I will still be enjoying this game a whole lot, regardless. :3

[twin perch]

Its like

I cannot trust AH to unfuck it anymore

Its Fatshark again

[loud ice]

I dunno, the game is still a fuckin blast to play every time I launch it. If you don't like it, that's cool! I still love it, and 50k players still regularly enjoy it, so I'll continue fighting a war alongside them.

[twin perch]

Regularly is 10k

Thereis only 50k due the update

They are not going to stick w all the issues and unfun balancing

[loud ice]

Even before the update, I'd see 50k people on a weekend. Always sat around that spot.

I don't much care how many people are playing it. Shit's still one of the best TPS I've played. It'll take its time, but I think Arrowhead is making good steps.

I'm a pathological optimist tho. I got my money's worth out of this game even if it goes totally offline tomorrow. I'll continue having my fun til then.

[plain bough]

Only gripe is that bugs seem to ignore being lit on fire and charge ahead despite making noises indicating they're in pain

[eager cliff]

yeah

i noticed that too

[loud ice]

And the flames bounce weirdly.

Friend was streaming and showed us this

[twin perch]

Inb4 banned for mods

[fast spindle]

@alpine yacht

[plain bough]

Teammates grenades lol

[light nymph]

It looks adorable

[light nymph]

me thinks he cheatin'

[plain bough]

He just has a magic pocket up his ass

[light nymph]

[loud ice]

The incendiary impact is the exact same one, just with red neon.

[plain bough]

tested the Hellpod booster further, it legitimately sucks ass overall

[light nymph]

so it's on theme with the rest of the warbond?

[plain bough]

weapons actually not that bad, except for the sidearm flamer

[light nymph]

They better be after they nerfed the flamethrower

[plain bough]

but at this point they should make the flame stream a bit longer, hunters can get into pouncing range and the flames don't kill quickly to deal with that

[loud ice]

They just nerfed flames overall.

But they said they see how poorly the community received it, and are gonna look at what to do next.

[plain bough]

they nerfed the armor piercing through chargers legs but lighting up their asses for a few seconds just explode their backside

same for impalers

[twin perch]

It's not that hard tor evert it

but the don't want to

[loud ice]

I dunno if it is "that simple".

Who knows what all they changed to make the new flame system work. Will the new weapons break entirely if the fire system is changed?

If I've learned anything from the time I invested into programming, nothing is ever as simple as an undo button.

[eager cliff]

Apparently laser weapons now light enemies on fire after 2 seconds of focusing fire on them

[plain bough]

alot of changes that AH fail to mention once again lol

[eager cliff]

guy needs stims
i run to stim him
i press F instead of E
i get kicked

[plain bough]

also we can stim for the stamina now

[eager cliff]

and the game crashed

so it seems another gun combination or shit crashes the game

nice

[plain bough]

AH should rework the modules as well to reflect the progression, diff 10 and top tier module is only 5% bonus towards my strategems is ass

[eager cliff]

Dif 10 is fun

[plain bough]

https://tenor.com/view/welcome-hell-welcome-to-hell-chef-skinner-skinner-gif-26308387

[plain bough]

It will be a cold day in hell if the autocannon ever get a nerf to it

[latent zodiac]

i might straight up stop playing the game, because it both confirms that they are in fact not changing their balancing strategy from looking at spreadsheets and how often something is picked, and them lying about not putting out anymore useless, unneeded nerfs

if they were to nerf the autocannon

not even that good of a weapon, its just a nice jack-of-all-trades thats usually a safe pick bugs, bots, or otherwise

[latent zodiac]

the most stressful fucking thing in this game is to gather 10+ rare samples AND the super samples while playing with randoms
and drop them off at extract early in the game
only for the container to suddenly dissapear in the tail end of the match, only to reappear a mile away from extract 20 seconds til pelican arrives
so you gotta trust these random guys who may or may not listen to you saying "the samples are there, dont get in pelican yet" while you make a mad, amphetimine infused dash for the samples and back to extract while the poor guys waiting are getting annihilated

[valid hedge]

i had 4 impalers on the extract earlier (it was bad) but we still managed to extract with all samples and even the egg from the mega base but god i could barely even get my orbital precision strike to get the cluster of them without flying around in ragdoll mode.

was funny tho tbh

[slim coral]

I havent touched this for like

Last 4 months

Why they still keep that Alex guy who fucked up the balancing is just beyond me

[fast spindle]

yeeep

they need to scale samples better

the jump in difficulty from 9 to 10 is way higher than the jump from samples earned from 9 to 10

[pale hollow]

Imagine if we got 'Super Duper Samples' from diff 10 that we could exchange for whichever type of sample we need, instead of getting a mix of rare and super.

[fast spindle]

yeah

[fast spindle]

@light nymph is game good still

[light nymph]

[fast spindle]

are chargers still cbt

ass crit spot is somehow not a crit spot

[light nymph]

I don't play it since there's nothing interesting to do

turned it on yesterday to check the new warbond

[fast spindle]

whatcha been playing

[light nymph]

and was disappointed

Mainly some Mechwarrior Online

and I redownloaded HITMAN World of Assassination

[fast spindle]

is that a seperate game from the hitman 1 and 2 stuff?

or is it like an expansion

[light nymph]

feverishly waiting for Space Marine 2

[fast spindle]

it looks so damn good

[light nymph]

It combines all 3 recent hitman games into 1

[fast spindle]

i saw it had some uhh

roguelite stuff

[light nymph]

oh yea, it came out last year I think, and it's pretty fun

[fast spindle]

nice

well, i guess i'll just keep watching helldivers 2 for a while until it looks interesting

[light nymph]

hopefully one day

[fast spindle]

🫂

[slim coral]

Bald man killing

[plain bough]

With homing briefcase

[light nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/hitman-throw-briefcase-jetski-gif-15758520

[plain bough]

Just as funny as I remembered it

[light nymph]

pretty sure that has sound with it

it do

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuzZTl5nSDA

[earnest stag]

"were rolling out a new nerf"

[tranquil zealot]

"WE ARE IMPROVING THIS TO MAKE IT FUN"

[earnest stag]

I think they will never understand if somethings being used a lot that it means the other shit is boring to play and not that the one weapon is OP

they make everything else more fun and not always nerf the fun stuff.

[eager cliff]

some cocksucker mod or shit @ everyone in helldivers discord

gg

[shy schooner]

real

I saw that

[light nymph]

Was that what happened in the https://discord.com/channels/1102970375731691612/1204537184112083004?

[eager cliff]

Yes, they did a Falco

[light nymph]

[earnest stag]

Wait so

I can just

@ everyone ?

[light nymph]

[earnest stag]

Who the fuck does that even xD

except for spam bots

or Grok/mods

[eager cliff]

you cant do it here

but you will get warned / muted if u try

https://tenor.com/view/dance-dancing-kobold-kobolds-dnd-gif-25905804

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-joe-pesci-pesci-what-gif-10718026964868693743

[fast spindle]

the creature

[earnest stag]

How will you know that i try if i try 24/7 but never write it out

[eager cliff]

I wont, and i will not care

Waste ur time

[earnest stag]

i tried to be funny but it didnt even work

I cant even believe theres people trying.

[light nymph]

BRO

BRO

BRO

@eager cliff

1h after I made a joking comment about the guy @ everyone in helldivers discord I get this message

basically asked why was I pinged

reply told me that a junior community mod or something @ everyone for a stream or some shit

I replied "more like ex-community mod "

1h later I get this

[narrow trout]

ain't no way

[light nymph]

The cap does, in fact, exist

[narrow trout]

[fast spindle]

helldivers try not to shoot itself in the foot challenge

[light nymph]

someone go to that channel and see if the baby mods said anything

[fast spindle]

which channel

[light nymph]

#🤖🐛🦑helldivers message

that one

[fast spindle]

yeah they aint saying nothing

"sorry for ping" is basically it

[light nymph]

amazing

incredible

guy publicly fucks up, mods punish people for making fun of his public fuck up

[shy schooner]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/931917163676196889/1271672955881000980/b4189479fa2f56043d88399df43fb7e6.mp4?ex=66b8d9fb&is=66b7887b&hm=345217d7494b082ab6c3de33b5b8b0f20a03726c915900f7c5c41a4f21540e0d&

[twin perch]

You know I saw ther eddit a post like

one moment

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1eob7gr/they_hated_him_because_he_spoke_the_truth/

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1eo1xxi/saw_this_comment_from_one_of_ltbuzzlitebeer/

Oh hey

I was right

https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1eosd56/arrowhead_please_fix_patrol_spawns_or_explain_why/

Patrols were never fucking xied

[light nymph]

what post?

[twin perch]

the first one

[eager cliff]

lmao fuck off

holy shit they are retarded

actual dicksucking mods

[light nymph]

Guess the stories about them in Helldivers forums are true

[fast spindle]

helldivers moderators when people dont like bad updates

[neon pendant]

its fun to watch the drama on this game, the reason why im not getting it. ITs more fun to sit back and watch teh dumpster fiire unfold

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/721407447931289681.gif?size=240&quality=lossless

[pale hollow]

Aint no fucking way
You gotta post that to Reddit and fan the flames, for shits and giggles.

[light nymph]

I don't do reddit, feel free to post it for me

[pale hollow]

I don't have an account 🤷‍♂️

[light nymph]

Who do we know from the group that's a redditor?

[pale hollow]

I thought you were

[light nymph]

how fucking dare you insult me like that

[eager cliff]

i will do it

[plain bough]

Gone for a few days and I see more fuel was added to the fire, was this the true Freedom's Flame warbond afterall

[light nymph]

God speed.... You fucking redditor

[pale hollow]

It got taken down by the Reddit Mods, but not before someone posted this ⬇️ ironic

[light nymph]

[slim coral]

Everyone is furry here

Deny it or not

[light nymph]

I ain't a furry

I'm a scalie

[slim coral]

Wrong

[fast spindle]

[pale hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/potato-cat-surf-glitch-surreal-gif-14769633

[light nymph]

Holy shit

that's right

I forgot about the box art

"Spread Democracy with OP weapons"

AH proceeds to nerf all the weapons

[fast spindle]

curb your enthusiasm theme plays

[light nymph]

Helldiver loading screen music ft. random ass kazzo player

[fast spindle]

footage of someone using the adjudicator or the spray and pray

[light nymph]

camera pans over to the enemies and it's just a bunch of scouts 2 meters away massicaring the players
Player name poops up
AH Dev 1

"Uh khant heet shtuff boss, thees gham ish hurd"

[fast spindle]

you can kill a brood commander with it?! damn this gun is too good, we're gonna have to nerf it

you should only be able to use stratagems to kill em smh

[latent zodiac]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1162496330204188702/1271482393617764453/tumblr_99f8290333d9e60a5fcd4718174dd476_1f6efa44_540.webp?ex=66b97a01&is=66b82881&hm=e4cfd1efe3a0910e80522fbba6b598fc739036bf6aa8ab88ee4b87332765870e&

"we have made flamethrowers suck ass because of realism"
rocket devastator/tank with visibly limited amount of ammo firing 2000 rockets with no cooldown or stoppage

"we cannot give the mech or rocket turret more ammo, because we would have to change the model of the rocket launcher to visibly hold more rockets"
hulk bruisers with infinite rocket throwing gun

[eager cliff]

Expected, they still kept Baskinator as CM

They took Super Earth Government too literally

[earnest stag]

God the furries on the Helldivers Discord get worse and worse

🤢

[slim coral]

Pretty sure flamethrower irl is made to cook alive people in reinforced structure

So realistically a charger would be made fillet mignon

[pure plume]

is this gameplay or wtf am i looking at

[twin perch]

Racist

[latent zodiac]

100% correct, that is exactly what it was used for
first it was WW1/WW2 for entrenched enemies in, well trenches, but also in bunkers, to either get some flame into the front bunker opening where the enemy would be shooting a machine gun
or to cover the concrete outside part of the bunker in napalm, getting it so fucking hot on the inside, they would stop shooting and either cook, get fragged, or shot by friendlies pushing into the bunker

also works on tanks
because back then, they were not at all air tight or sealed, so liquid flame or napalm could get in pretty much anywhere
and even if it didn't get in, as it turns out, being covered in flame while inside of a stuffy, metal box both limits your vision, and cooks you alive

in the "winter war" (finland vs russia) right after ww2, molotovs were very popular against russian tanks

[twin perch]

Yeah molotovs in an engine on WW2

is basically cooking the mobility

if not lighting fire to it all

[latent zodiac]

also
on the topic of flamethrowers and how they work irl
flame sticks, like, a lot
and it can be assumed, that with the flamethrower damage ship module, the flamethrower would be using napalm
which is really fucking sticky, burns hotter, shoots farther, and is a LOT harder to put out
even burns on water

[twin perch]

wasn't there something worse than napalm

like liquid WP

[median trellis]

agent orange if i'm not mistaken

[twin perch]

that's it

[pure plume]

thats a defoliant

herbicide on steroids

[latent zodiac]

agent orange wasn't white phosphorous, and also didn't start fires

[pure plume]

no flame whatsoever

its like boom efekt

[twin perch]

Yeah just rechecking

that's chemical warfare

[latent zodiac]

its basically super aids + ultra cancer but for plants

[twin perch]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_Orange

According to a study by Dr. Nguyen Viet Nhan, children in the areas where Agent Orange was used have been affected and have multiple health problems, including cleft palate, mental disabilities, hernias, and extra fingers and toes.[59][60] In the 1970s, high levels of dioxin were found in the breast milk of South Vietnamese women, and in the blood of U.S. military personnel who had served in Vietnam.[61] The most affected zones are the mountainous area along Truong Son (Long Mountains) and the border between Vietnam and Cambodia. The affected residents are living in substandard conditions with many genetic diseases.[62][63]

Super aids for people too lol

[latent zodiac]

also gives cancer to people, and continues to fuck up generations of americans and vietnamese who had family members come into contact with it

like, baby born with an arm sticking out of its head type fuck up

really bad stuff

also
"adds thermite...white phosphorous"

[pure plume]

capsaicin?

pepper spray??

[latent zodiac]

basically yeah, but most likely an unbelievably concentrated version of it, that probably causes chemical burns on basically whatever organic shit it touches

[latent zodiac]

but my main point with this is
WHITE PHOSPHOROUS IS LITERALLY STICKY FUCKING FIRE

[pure plume]

way worse

its solid

[latent zodiac]

like, popping, IMPOSSIBLY to put out, catches fire from AIR, insane ass fire

[pure plume]

you can have a chunk combusting deep inside your muscle

[latent zodiac]

it gets a lot more dangerous in liquid form, but it is really hard to keep in liquid form

[pure plume]

at 1200

[latent zodiac]

it also makes ultra, super poisionous gas

[earnest stag]

I like Orange,it gave me lemon lime.

Its the maintanence man!

[latent zodiac]

that would case soldiers walking through it to inhale particles of WP, and have burnt, fucked up jaws because of the tiny, microscopic piecies of WP still burning

[earnest stag]

He knows i like Orange

[twin perch]

How many blunts you hitting Laffy?

[latent zodiac]

and it even says thermite
WHICH MELTS THROUGH FUCKING METAL GIVEN THE RIGHT AMOUNT AND MIX

[earnest stag]

Deus ex memes

https://youtu.be/qohaWhfGjJM?si=P5Pfs9MIJYJMyr8Q

[latent zodiac]

so
napalm for sticky, long range fire
WP for also sticky, impossible to put out, poisonous fire
and fucking THERMITE for chewing through metal, rock, or otherwise
please, arrowhead, tell me how in GODS name this fire is """"""more realistic""""" by BOUNCING OFF of everything???

and thats only mentioning the 3 that i fucking know about

[earnest stag]

Hey since Helldivers goes for "muh realism" why does the Flamethrower shoot longer than 3 seconds ?

[latent zodiac]

who knows how super earth put fucking capsaicin in it, and whatever the fuck "allyl isothiocyanate" is, or the "19 other accelerants"

[earnest stag]

Like irl a tank was filled with what? 12 seconds amount of fuel?

So that flamethrower with that tiny tank should only last 2 seconds

[latent zodiac]

because realism in a game where you have ORBITAL LASERS and SPACE DROP PODS and FUCKING PLASMA WEAPONS is retarded

[earnest stag]

No shit

And yet they do insist on it

[latent zodiac]

it feels like a stupid fucking excuse to dumpster nerf a weapon simply on statistics on how much it is used

[earnest stag]

Toxic meta

Iirc thats the term

[latent zodiac]

yup

[twin perch]

Here

[latent zodiac]

instead of buffing underused/underutilized weapons to add variety to what is VIABLE and FUN to use on mid-high diffs
they are forcing players to find another """""meta""""" because nothing else works

[plain bough]

Make flamethrowers shoot further away

I wanna spray liquid fuel on everything

[latent zodiac]

just
undo all of the nerfs and shit that have been done so far, but keep the buffs, then ONLY buff shitty, underused, dogass weapons

bring everything back up to what its best version was, and then a bit better
and then anything that has always been shit? bring that up to EQUAL level

[twin perch]

the real goonndivers

[fast spindle]

and people lmao

caused bad birth defects

[pure plume]

[fast spindle]

???

[pure plume]

#🤖🐛🦑helldivers message

[fast spindle]

i cant read

anyways my history teacher was living proof of it, dude had a gimped leg because his dad got exposed to agent orange

[pure plume]

something fucking horrifying about a generational mutagen

[light nymph]

AH balancing department

[eager cliff]

haha he doesnt have the max upgrades

[fast spindle]

is that helldivers logo on armor new

it looks kinda crusty ngl

looks like some cheap sticker

[plucky steppe]

Lmao

[pale hollow]

Somehow, you missed the biggest clue that something is off about this image

[pure plume]

ass is temporary, freedom is forever

[fast spindle]

thats vanilla

its from the new warbond

[pale hollow]

What are you smoking, that is not vanilla

[fast spindle]

the new asses for freedom warbond??

did you not unlock it?

[pale hollow]

Blud has been infected by the Iedy goonrot virus

[plain bough]

The only head injury I get is either diving into the ground face first or getting hit continously in the face by a rocket

[light nymph]

I get a head injury by reading their patch notes

[plain bough]

whiplash alongside it too

[fast spindle]

[pale hollow]

Every day I wake up, the first thing I do is mix a 50/50 blend of copium and hopium and inject it directly into my bloodstream. Then I go to the Helldivers Discord channel and check for news, as well as the Helldivers subreddit to see if the devs have shared new information. Yet again I see the devs/CEO have said something about much of the team being on vacation (Scandinavian labour market moment) and that this vacation is the cause of our woes, I take another hit of the 50/50 blend.

[rigid crown]

weee

[slim coral]

Helldiver 2 might be the first game where it is PvD instead of traditional PvP

[sharp kindle]

Devs with an ego complex

[slim coral]

Alexus guy

He is a dev w an ego complex

He must suck a lot of dick in their company to not get fired despite having a portfolio consist of balance Hello Neighbors to the ground

Funny how Helldivers went from the beloved company now to be one of the hated

[sharp kindle]

Nah

All of then are

Alexus is not in charge of all the balance
He just works in the balance section

And it's been a few months of literally the same complaint

The ceo has acknowledged it

Yet

It hasn't changed at all

After all it's not Alexus who's defending the games "vision" on Twitter

And he's not responsible of every update launching broken

[eager cliff]

CEO is only interested in numbers and shit , profits etc , doubt he bothers himself with the actual game state / community approval

Yeah idk whats happening to this game nor do i start caring at this point

[pastel peak]

damn that discord is something otherwordly, creeps galore

[plain bough]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/553850/view/4339866697735881047?l=english

[twin perch]

Bet they do nothing

[fast spindle]

"to fix charger's we've lowered their spawn rate.... and boosted that of every other charger-adjacent enemy"

[plain bough]

our rate of progression doesn't equal to the bullshittery that it requires us to complete

[twin perch]

This is like the 3rd promise

so I have no hopes

only Apathy

[plain bough]

member when they said they fixed devastator spawn rates but instead jacked up the rates of which minigunners and rocketeers spawn

[twin perch]

I like how they go

No we are not reverting this patch

[fast spindle]

tarkov tier

make a good game and then bulldoze player's expectations with mediocre updates

[plain bough]

They wanna unfuck some of the things in 60 days, X to doubt

[fast spindle]

realism is when thing is nerfed for no reason

[pure plume]

who tf nerfs a weapon that feels good to use instead of buffin other shit to match

lets have only shit tier

at least theres no meta

[fast spindle]

wym bro

theres still gonna be meta

its just gonna the meta of the worst weapons

[tawny mirage]

here is an idea

revert all shit changes, starting with the railgun, quasar, flamethrower and so on

then go from there

none of this hodgepodge "we will reflect on our actions" bullshit

deeds not words

[pale hollow]

Don't worry guys, in 59 days the game will be good again (for a month)

-# The game is already good, just could be much much better

[earnest stag]

There is,its called toxic meta

When everything is shit and nothing fun to use

[slim coral]

If you removes a meta

There will be another meta

Which would be the weapon that serves the most useful purpose after the other meta is gone

So frankly by blindfolded shooting a gun down doesnt really solve the meta issue

The best way they could do is to leave them the fuck alone

[earnest stag]

Toxic meta

Google it

[latent zodiac]

because they either haven't realized or are to ego driven to listen to the fact that power creep (which is buffing weak stuff to match stronger stuff) in a PvE game is 100% fine
as opposed to the way they are currently balancing, which is more akin to a PvP game, where power creep is bad, so instead they are nerfing weak stuff to have a baseline in which every weapons is

[pure plume]

oh right power creep, i forgot the term

[pure plume]

youre right my argument was one dimensional, its doing that in PVE thats ridicolous, right

pvp balancing isnt even close to the same conceptually

[shy schooner]

Real

I enjoy it currently, I'm just happy the slugger got it's stagger back

[slim coral]

If they think weapons are meta

Why dont they buff useless weapons like the Tenderizer

Or the Purifier

[plain bough]

Never seen anyone use the purifer anymore

[slim coral]

You mean you havent seen anyone using anything in Polar Patrol

[loud ice]

The Tenderizer is broken tf

90 damage with no recoil

And the space Deagle has been my only sidearm since I got it

Pales in comparison to the Adjudicator tho. Best fucking gun in the game.

Shit feels like I'm shooting big ass bullets and it HITS like a big ass bullet

[fast spindle]

helldivers balancing moment

[tranquil zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/space-ship-blastoff-liftoff-rocket-launch-gif-17133546

[loud ice]

Uppies.

[pale hollow]

I love how there is no unstuck/suicide feature in a game that regularly gets you stuck/glitched

[twin perch]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1esoxwg/the_game_can_be_downgraded_to_versions_seemingly/

HAHAHA

[plain bough]

This game is a walking anomaly lol

[pale hollow]

Abandoned Autodesk Engine

[slim coral]

Tbh

This game and Fallout 4 are so far the only 2 games I see where players are afraid of new updates

Or not enjoy the new updates

[narrow trout]

the thing with fallout 4 and i guess skyrim is that updates break the mods

plus those games dont need updates anymore yet bethesda keeps doin them

[fast spindle]

and when they do actual updates they just rerelease the game

so when they rollout a patch it does nothing but break the game's mods

[eager cliff]

Other KNOWN ISSUES not included in the official KNOWN ISSUES (1.001.003)
DISCUSSION
Weapon damage reduced when walking backwards

Enemy weapons sometimes shoot through terrain

Players can become stuck on the sides of the Pelican's ramp

"Nuke Nursery" mission can softlock from an uninteractable terminal

Cause of death wrong frequently

Player-Armed Hellbombs don't always explode when destroyed

Cannot dive to prone while swapping weapons

Enemies can spawn within eyesight of players

Players cannot be muted while they're selecting their loadout

Spear missiles bounces off Factory Strider's back-cannon barrel without exploding

Anti-tank mines not damaging Automaton tanks

Enemies can get stuck in stomp loops on destructible terrain while pathing

Enemies are missing footstep sounds

Map-generated HMG emplacements fire one shot when entered for the first time

HMG emplacement ammo remaining icon uses the player's primary weapon icon instead

Grid coordinate terminal minigame does not use F or 6 column/row

Barbed wire damage rounds to 0 when Vitality Booster equipped

"Remember Aim Mode" setting incorrectly resetting on death

Bro wtf is the first one , weapon damage reduced when walking backwards

WTF

Anti tank mines not damaging tanks

Nice

[twin perch]

same reason why weapon damage is increased while moving forwards

yes

that is a thing

[median trellis]

what

[pure plume]

dude classical dynamics, havent u heard of newtonian physics and subtracting vectors

MUH REALISM

[eager cliff]

Anger going forwards = more dmg

Same as pressing harder on the mouse

[light nymph]

"You see Ivan, when run forward bullet move faster, meaning it do more dmg"

[twin perch]

https://youtu.be/lxTl1mTWu8A

[plain bough]

Wacky as fuck lol

[twin perch]

Yeah

[plain bough]

Wonder if it works with grenades lol

[twin perch]

i'm p sure it works w everything

[dire igloo]

nerf it

[fast spindle]

it even applies to that fuckin laser rocket launcher

[plain bough]

Probably the positive/negative values in movement is somehow adding to weapon damage

rather outlandish bug but considering AH lol

[eager cliff]

Im sure the players that have maxed shit and capped samples will love helping

[plain bough]

This could've been a donation drive instead

[sharp kindle]

[slim coral]

Damn

Why cant they just randomly donate material to random helldivers

[eager cliff]

I mean if they at least increased the sample spawn for these planets or idk

[plain bough]

The MO is completed, and people think its hackers adding all the samples lol

[eager cliff]

I saw that , i wouldnt be surprised, the playerbase is dwindled yet we did a MO in 1.5 days?

Like i know ppl collect samples but so many ? doubt

[twin perch]

Chainah Grows Larger

https://tenor.com/view/command-and-conqure-generals-fly-me-to-the-moon-ccg-gif-20374280

[pale hollow]

Because it is not really a bug, it is a feature of their much too advanced ballistics system, you basically lose 1 damage when walking backwards and gain 1 damage when walking forwards, because the game calculates shit based on momentum, and then they round the number.

Helldivers 2 really is quite fascinating when looking closely at a lot of things, so many extremely intricate systems/details/features that add very little perceived value to the majority of the playerbase, but no doubt adds complexity to the code.
It really feels like the devs created a work of genuine passion, only to fumble on launch and continue to trip over every single pebble along a very long road.

[eager cliff]

That sounds well put tbf, they actually have a lot of small details, like the hand off the trigger unless they aim in , the revolver / shotguns reloading the exact bullets

even the bullets themselves are modeled depending on the gun , and for the brearker when they lowered the mag size they changed the mag model entirely to look shorter lol

that is some good details

[pale hollow]

All the animations are fucking excellent

Like, to the point that gun nerds start fucking gooning when they see em'

[twin perch]

Tbh Id say its more like kicking rocks lol

They could so easily give guns a hidden +1dmg and the go back bug is fixed

[pale hollow]

Yeah, or simply balance the enemies' hit points to the damage of weapons at range, instead of balancing them to match the damage of a projectile immediately after exiting the barrel.
I think the behemoth charger has the same hp on the leg as most AT launcher deal damage, which means once the velocity based damage drop off happens, you can no longer strip the leg in one shot.

They also need to model shaped carges correctly, one of the details in this game that are actually wrong, an AT launcher should not lose damage at range since it is not a WW2 tank shell, but a modern shaped charge..... Or then again, maybe Super Earth uses shells instead of charges like they did muzzle loaded cannons.

[eager cliff]

wait so they actually hacked the samples and play along with it or did they purposfully did it to test how much the playerbase collects shit etc

[earnest stag]

i guess people are fed up so they hacked em and got their pet fish executed