🤖🐛🦑helldivers

[light nymph]

the drone?

[clear lintel]

The heavy laser

[light nymph]

ah, nope, that's a support

[clear lintel]

I mean recoiless is a support weapon too and you need the backpack

[light nymph]

the backpack is ammo backpack

[bleak patrol]

You either need a backpack or a mule

[bleak patrol]

[sharp kindle]

extra large ammo pack my beloved

[light nymph]

that face doesn't look ANYTHING like a sus face

[clear lintel]

Tbf like i said today, i might run supply backpack with flamethrower

[bleak patrol]

Jump Pack

[clear lintel]

[clear lintel]

My friend who brings a jump pack, an autocannon, a grenade launcher and a hmg placement to every mission

[bleak patrol]

Wait

Autocannon

Who has the bp then?

Also I gave the jump pack to my lvl 3 friend once

[sharp kindle]

ideally your fren who acts as loader needs the backpack

[clear lintel]

He brings the stuff for himself

[bleak patrol]

My "fren who acts as a loader" is always absent when I need a reload

[sharp kindle]

[clear lintel]

Its funny, he deployed the hmg placement in a dif 8 erradication bug mission

30 seconds in

[bleak patrol]

We temporarily fixed that issue by holding each other's backpacks

[clear lintel]

Bile titan spawns next to him

Goodbye hmg placement

[light nymph]

jump pack is ass, tho

[clear lintel]

Jump pack needs a little buff

[light nymph]

yes

[clear lintel]

It needs to recharge faster

[bleak patrol]

You just don't know the secret way of "this rock is mine"

[light nymph]

nah, I just don't need AI abuse to deal with mobs

[bleak patrol]

Also I said it once, and I'll say it again

There is no bad gear

Just bad helldivers

[sharp kindle]

https://vxtwitter.com/HelldiversAlert/status/1763612239431684302

[light nymph]

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

90% true

[bleak patrol]

No, 100% true

Cope

[light nymph]

there are SOME equipment that's crappy

[bleak patrol]

Like?

[clear lintel]

So based

[sharp kindle]

revolver + sycthe here i go again

[light nymph]

balistic shield does nothing of real value

[bleak patrol]

False

[light nymph]

from all my testing

True

[bleak patrol]

I used the ballistic shield to great effect

[clear lintel]

I mean the scythe is pretty shit right now if you compare it to the first game

[bleak patrol]

It's useful

Especially if you run SMG

[sharp kindle]

i like it for being infinite ammo

[light nymph]

how? Vs chaff, I can deal with them with just an AR with no issues. Vs anything bigger they just shoot through the shield

[clear lintel]

Dw, a better version will arrive soon

[bleak patrol]

Didn't have that issue

[sharp kindle]

the shotgun ?

[bleak patrol]

Sure, a tank will blast through

So will rockets

But most regular lasers just stop and deal no damage

[clear lintel]

No

the sickle

[light nymph]

really? Once you get to the armored Automatons, they just shoot through your shield, as in the dmg they do leaves me at 10%hp

[sharp kindle]

[bleak patrol]

Didn't happen to me

[sharp kindle]

[bleak patrol]

Shame I don't have my clips with me

My laptops is being repaired right now

[light nymph]

always happens to me

[bleak patrol]

And I will probably lose all clips of shield being useful

[clear lintel]

But what I want

[light nymph]

it's why I stopped using it

[late dagger]

[bleak patrol]

But I can always make more

[clear lintel]

Is the toxic rumbler back

PLEASE

GIVE ME MY RUMBLER

[twin perch]

Grim

[light nymph]

Kosm

[twin perch]

I think you're having a 🤡 moment

Please

XD

[light nymph]

[bleak patrol]

But who is the 🤡

[twin perch]

I want the cowboy hat hat

[light nymph]

elaborate or die @twin perch

[sharp kindle]

i really hope this one ends up being a wip model

[light nymph]

like, legit, why is it a clown moment, everytime I used the shield I get deaded

[twin perch]

I don't think it is

because it looks like half a Jar-5

[twin perch]

The clown moment is using the ballistic shield as intended

the correct back is using it as back armor

unironically

[light nymph]

THAT'S NOT HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE USED

I USE IT TO PUSH A FRONT NOT RUN LIKE A COWARD

[sharp kindle]

been that way since modern warfare 2

[bleak patrol]

Now you're both having a 🤡 moment

[light nymph]

you think I play that garbage of a game series?

[bleak patrol]

Holy shit

[twin perch]

I was mostly joking about it

XD

[sharp kindle]

the old one

[bleak patrol]

Ok, nevermind

[sharp kindle]

not the new one

[twin perch]

because crab meta is a tactic

[light nymph]

ah, fair

[bleak patrol]

But in terms of back armor

It does protect your back

It's just

Smaller

Because it retracts a bit

But I did see it bounce lasers on multiple occasions

The only real issue the ballistic shield has for me is that you drop it when you ragdoll

[twin perch]

Yeah that's really annoying

But yeah unironically it does not work on larger lases (AT AT's)

it does work on heavy devas but uhhh

[bleak patrol]

It works on walkers

[twin perch]

heavy devas put so much shots it doesn't care

[bleak patrol]

I tested it

[light nymph]

I'm serious tho, everytime I tried to use it and test it I end up fucked standing up.
MG Robo shreds through it
Heavy cannon robo hits you and you ragdoll
Rocket Robo kills you

From my experiance trying to make the shield work, (AND I DID TRY TO MAKE IT WORK I LOVE SHIELDS! Blitz, Montanya MY BELOVEDS!) I just get bodies

[bleak patrol]

It works on walkers

[twin perch]

It didn't on like day 3 of the game being out

it either works

or it has such bad coverage it doesn't

[bleak patrol]

I had a fucking clip of me 1v1'ing a shield devastator with my own shield

[twin perch]

Have you used it it in first person

[bleak patrol]

Oh god no

Not the 1st person

[twin perch]

it supposedly shows you're like

only showing you arm

but it's more like

[bleak patrol]

And you don't even really aim to the middle of the screen

[twin perch]

you're showing 80% of your body

[bleak patrol]

What, no

[light nymph]

FKN HOW?! WHEN?!

[twin perch]

80% is an exageration

[light nymph]

WHY?!

CRY!

[twin perch]

but it shows way more than the arm, even wehn crouching

[sharp kindle]

btw

[twin perch]

XD

[sharp kindle]

how often are you all crashing

[bleak patrol]

Just re-aim

I saw that bug

You should see just the visor

Most of the screen would be your shield

[light nymph]

everytime I start a mission and die. It takes like 10 or so seconds to crash to the ground, but other than that not often

[bleak patrol]

On my current temporary laptop? More often than before

[light nymph]

I use the shield in 3rd person

[bleak patrol]

That's the way to go

[clear lintel]

Lets goo we won

[bleak patrol]

You literally don't know where are you aiming at in 1st person

[bleak patrol]

You aim slightly to the right of the middle of your screen iirc

[vague marsh]

i was about to say it looks different

then noticed its hd1

[bleak patrol]

I don't even know how to explain it to you

[light nymph]

what difference does it make if you aim 3rd on 1st person?

[bleak patrol]

I guess it's my 300 hours as a tank player in Div2

[bleak patrol]

You actually see

[vague marsh]

[bleak patrol]

[light nymph]

I see in both ways

[bleak patrol]

I'm really mad right my clips are gone

I had this

[vague marsh]

bruh

[bleak patrol]

Beautiful screenshot

Of the 1st person shield

[vague marsh]

[clear lintel]

The famous breaker

[bleak patrol]

It's just a small rectangle of vision

[obsidian flame]

Major Order ends in 16h19min

I wonder if Joel's gonna flip both planets 5 minutes before it finishes

[light nymph]

I know, I used it

i just don't get what the difference is between using it in 3rd and 1st person

[clear lintel]

@sharp kindle

[light nymph]

does it actually change the angle?

[bleak patrol]

It's weird

You don't really aim in the center of the screen anymore

It's slightly to your right

[clear lintel]

I want this back

[vague marsh]

we are so back

heavy build time

[bleak patrol]

Anyway

The things I saw the shield defend against includes
-Regular lasers from regular bots
-Devastators (except rockets)
-Walkers, sometimes
-On rare occassions, melee hits

[vague marsh]

is the shield perma by the way

[bleak patrol]

It can be broken

[vague marsh]

like does it have duration

ah.

[bleak patrol]

But trust me

If it breaks

You are dead anyway

[vague marsh]

[bleak patrol]

Because it was either a cannon or a rocket

[clear lintel]

Oh yeah, the rail gun used to be a primary

[vague marsh]

so its THAT durable

[bleak patrol]

Yes

I mean, technically

The shield can survive a rocket sometimes

You, on the other hand, can't

[sharp kindle]

[vague marsh]

"Hero of fed"

[bleak patrol]

To be 100% honest

I've survived multiple direct hits from a rocket

And I don't know how it works

[vague marsh]

with the shield ?

[bleak patrol]

Without

And with

[vague marsh]

lmao

[bleak patrol]

But mostly without

[vague marsh]

rockets are weird

[bleak patrol]

Direct hits, again

[vague marsh]

yesterday i got hit on the head with a rocket

[bleak patrol]

Yesterday, for example

[vague marsh]

only half of my hp was gone

[bleak patrol]

Biggest shitstorm ever

We are on extraction

No reinforcements left

And I'm the last man alive

3 super samples in my pocket

And I got hit

By 4 rockets

And still escaped

The first one took me down to like 10% health

The rest I got hit while under Stim

I went flying, my dude

[vague marsh]

rockets are weird man

[bleak patrol]

Back to the shield

People say it does reduce explosive damage

[vague marsh]

tl;dr: Daily orders broke for the day

[bleak patrol]

But it very well could be just how wonky explosive damage is

[vague marsh]

but they manage to always put it on lore

[eager cliff]

Luckily i finished mine

Had to kill 500 bugs

[clear lintel]

@sharp kindle

[sharp kindle]

machine gun

[bleak patrol]

Don't let me on a bike

[sharp kindle]

but

laser

[bleak patrol]

I will try to do a flip

[clear lintel]

Also

Best quality of life imo

Supply stratagem is always available in HD2

Back in hd1 someone had to carry it

[vague marsh]

like the supply pack ?

[bleak patrol]

I guess you had to equip it

[clear lintel]

No

Supplies

Just regular ones

Yeah, you had to equip the stratagem

[bleak patrol]

Fucking, designated mule

[clear lintel]

And the people reloading the RR were extremely useful

[plain bough]

well that was a lousy diff 5 match I've had

team insisted on bringing mortars, we lost half our reinforcements to mortar FF alone

[bleak patrol]

Mortar moment

[plain bough]

then they also insisted on charging into a bot base themselves, continously, while they got sniped by the cannon turret lol

spamming reinforce

[bleak patrol]

Skill issue moment

[plain bough]

decided to try out heavy armor and the Jar 8 Dominator

[bleak patrol]

Jar is nice

As long as you treat it as a DMR

[plain bough]

Yeah, pop those weakpoints like butter with it

but otherwise not suited for all the small fries

[bleak patrol]

I mean, it mostly one-taps lesser bots

It can one-tap medium bots too

[plain bough]

still doesn't feel explosive even tho it's classified as an explosive weapon lol

[bleak patrol]

It's very stronk for a normal weapon

You can shoot something point blank and you don't get hit

Scam

[twin perch]

Jar sucks at horizontal

But its basically fat DMR

[plain bough]

heavy ass gun

[twin perch]

Better CS

[bleak patrol]

I used the CS once and I don't feel like it's bad

[plain bough]

1 more week for new weaponry

[bleak patrol]

There's seriously only one gun I have issues with

The fucking Scythe

[plain bough]

scythe needs either a longer heat cycle or just more damage overall

[bleak patrol]

Handheld piss laser not fun enough for me

Also

I just don't like energy weapons in general

So that's also it

[plain bough]

We'll see when new weapons drop, tho would prefer a LMG type of primary

[bleak patrol]

I want a, uh

Shotgun secondary

Maybe a db, maybe just a small pump

But a shotgun

Revolver shotgun

[shy schooner]

Just saw a video about how chargers have less armor after missing a charge

Chat, is this true?

[eager cliff]

Apperently for now it kinda is, no idea if bug or intended tho

[clear lintel]

Stalwart used to be primary

[plain bough]

As people have mentioned before, shame its relegated to a support weapon

[sharp kindle]

ran a bug 9 with a meme laser loadout

[limber bluff]

Is railgun ruined??? Is arc thrower the new meta??

Rail gun now makes it IMPOSSIBLE to run an Ironman on higher diff

[eager cliff]

yeah it's no longer that versatile , it can still work but u have to charge it meaning you have to stay still

and that was the whole point of the railgun, not having to sit still that much

[bitter elk]

For a second I thought I was in Helldiver discord lol

[late dagger]

If I could not die to my teammates rover every 2 min that would be great

[bitter elk]

The thing about the rover is that they always magically love to aim on your ass, though owner is partly responsible for being behind you at times

I wouldn't blame them most of the time though

[late dagger]

It's either that or they all leave durring the mission

[eager cliff]

The rover becomes a problem the moment u get surrounded

[late dagger]

I dont

[bitter elk]

It starts 360ing eveywhere

You included

LMAO

[late dagger]

I only want to be surrounded by liberty

And democracy

[bitter elk]

The only thing I get slightly miffed about time to time is mortar users on bugs to be honest, can be great to an effect but there has been vastly so much FF off it that I just stopped bringing it

[late dagger]

Yea it happens all the time as well

[latent zodiac]

gonna try to solo a few 9s to get medals if i can
may Joel have mercy

[bitter elk]

You might as well just vibe at D5 and chill tho

[late dagger]

D5?

[bitter elk]

Ah that's what I call the difficulties

Difficulty 1-9, so I just shortened it to D1-9 usually

1 being Trivial, for obvious reasons, and 9 helldive, kek

[late dagger]

Arnt you fancy lol

[bitter elk]

On another note, I haven't used Railgun in a while so the nerf has wholly missed me

[bitter elk]

I like to abbreviate a lot of things to a fault, so, yeah, kinda

Recoilless rifle for charger is vibez

Pair with EMS to give breathing space to allow reloading, and gas for swarm clearing

That said if the map has either increased stratagem call time or cd effect, the two is dead lol

[late dagger]

Is the stalwart even useful?

[bitter elk]

It's pretty good trash clear, but does suffer slightly when it comes to turning speed

So if enemy is approaching in a wide angle you are gonna have some issues sweeping them sll

But the 200 ammo per mag box is very abundant for trash deletion

This is assuming bugs only

Automatons you are better off bringing other support weapons

[late dagger]

Such as?

[bitter elk]

Stalwart will suffer a decent TTK time against bile Spewer and nursing Spewer also, and charger with bile titan too for obvious reason

[latent zodiac]

lmao never fucking mind
IMMEDIATELY all my strats are jammed, and im getting stunlocked so bad i cannot hit V fast enough to live outside leaving my pod

i mean what else did i expect

[late dagger]

Not just me being stunned locked lol

[bitter elk]

Recoilless rifle allows you to deal with drop ship in one shot to the engine, two shot Hulk to the eye, and handle the rest of the roster pretty well

Autocannon is a good alternative, also two shots hulk to the eye, pushes devastator shields back and kills him in two shots to the body, can delete fabricators if you ricochet the shot into the vent, can also delete dropship objectives with four shots to the engine

Spear is a great anti building weaponry, but do not use it as is, currently heavily marred with issues on lock on, not so great Vs armoured units

Railgun, I do not know post nerf

And like an impact, all weapon with explosive projectiles can deal with emplacements such as anti air emplacements, or artilleries

Not specifically primaries, they don't do that.

[late dagger]

Man you got alot of knowledge about this shit lol

[bitter elk]

I play automatons more than I do bugs haha

I think I got like 90 hours on bots

20 on bugs

XD

[late dagger]

I've got like 12 hrs total lol

[bitter elk]

Oh somewhat fresh newcomer, that's fine

We all gotta start somewhere

I heard people say automatons are harder than bugs but frankly

I beg to differ, bugs rip my shit apart in solo lol

[obsidian flame]

do you still have to time the dropship before shooting it down or do enemies stop getting dropped even after you destroy it

[bitter elk]

It's very hard to shoot down a dropship before it spawns enemies for it to drop, as you are pre-aiming where their engines might be, since they will be on the move very quickly

Once they stop on the spot, they still kinda swivel but by then the enemies already appear

Once they do, even if you shoot it down they will still drop the enemies then

[plain bough]

Oh yeah, you can use the laser cannon to melt Hulks if you cook their eyeball a bit

[bitter elk]

Albeit, 95% of the time you will kill some of them from the impact blast

And if there was specials coming off it, like huge enemies

They will get stuck under it.

The dropship becomes a physical barrier in the world for a moment of time

[obsidian flame]

in my experience they glitch through the dropship falling on top of them, take zero damage and now have the advantage of the wreck blocking my shots but not theirs

[bitter elk]

Oh yeah it tends to get pretty RNG sometimes

But it usually has favoured me

[late dagger]

Bugs are terrible solo lol

[bitter elk]

The only way to truly prevent it ever spawning enemy was shooting it down on the way, which is only possible with Spear

Except, that was pre-update.

Post-update spear no longer guaranteed one shot drop ships regardless of where they hit it.

https://tenor.com/view/chipmunk-dramatic-gif-4265641

[bitter elk]

Yeah bugs are miserable solo since it's hard to disengage once you locked into combat

Chargers are an especially a huge nuisance.

[bitter elk]

Oh true, laser cannon is actually an extremely effective deterrent against Hulk now

I'm not certain how useful it is against other enemies but it's a good option against that guy specifically

[clear lintel]

Now that I think about it, the light gunner armor might be good for automatons

It's a light armor with extra padding

[raw folio]

Also just noticed this changed from 0

[clear lintel]

Did the jump pack get buffed?

I swear I'm jumping higher now

[plain bough]

I tried the jetpack but feel like its still the same

[clear lintel]

This armor right here

@twin perch

[plain bough]

think that set will come tomorrow or the one after

[latent zodiac]

ok so, from what i understand, extra padding just adds 50 AR, which means
150 armor
550 speed
and 125 stamina regen

[obsidian flame]

did you buy that with SC?

[obsidian flame]

I envy their ability to turn while charging

[clear lintel]

Yeah a while back

[sharp kindle]

Sc farming is gud

[clear lintel]

Yeah I did half an hour or so and got 135

[tawny herald]

🚶

[light nymph]

Railgun+shield

[viral shadow]

god i love official helldiver server

its having a meltdown

1 tweak and they are already crying about how the game is ruined

actual doomposting over there

[light nymph]

Indeed

[viral shadow]

best part is i think some of the devs left the server cus of the backlash

mmm, drama

[light nymph]

Bro...

[viral shadow]

its like a barely moderated twitch chat in there

its great

[sharp kindle]

Yeah it's a shitshow atm

The reddit ain't much better

Also
Anyone want a mission on their lurkers ?

[obsidian flame]

what happened to "play what you want"

[bleak patrol]

Excuse me, what

[pale hollow]

What is everyone's favourite stratagem?
Personally, I'm partial to the now buffed 380 mm barrage.

[raw folio]

For pure fun value the airburst

But man I observed the helldivers discord for a couple minutes and it really is what I thought it'd be

[viral shadow]

its so much fun watching it

[raw folio]

"Railgun didn't need the nerf, it was just the only viable support weapon" Man I ain't ever seen a post so wrong on so many levels spoken so confidently

Wait, I have.

[pale hollow]

People when they can't bring a steel maul to a middle school fight:

[viral shadow]

muh railgun + shield

[pale hollow]

Meanwhile some people use recoilless and teamwork

[raw folio]

I think people were just too used to it being able to just delete everything that they forgot you ain't supposed to be killing everything that moves in high diff in the first place

Like the amount of randoms that would attack a patrol moving away from us on diff 9 was very concerning

"My brother in christ i have 4 mags left"

[pale hollow]

It is honestly kind of depressing how insane people have become after the nerf, like they genuinely need help from a medical professional

[light nymph]

I'm fine with what they play with, I'm just teasing

[pale hollow]

Aproximately 1.5k people have made negative steam reviews specifically because of the balance patch.
Because this one patch alone apparently means that the game is now actually bad, according to them.

[raw folio]

To be entirely honest, I think they just don't wanna learn how to use something other than railgun at this point.

Like play how you want but dear god man get a grip

Losing their everloving shit because of one change

[buoyant urchin]

There were no changes to the arc gun, which has been the beet support weapon for me lately. Very excited to try the flamethrower again

[raw folio]

Flamethrower fucks now

[buoyant urchin]

IT FUCKIN FUCKS?? HELL YEA

I love the napalm and gas strike strategems, chemical ass warfare this game has become

[raw folio]

And the amount of people who don't get the laser cannons job was made painfully clear with this patch

[pale hollow]

Insane anti bug-breach meta: gas arty, stun arty, flamey boi

The flamethrower is actually op after the buff, funnily enough

[buoyant urchin]

I was having fun with it severing bots in half, and the extreme cold planets making it even more effective is very fun @raw folio

[pale hollow]

omg these people
Why yes dear player, hard should be hard

[raw folio]

I would have liked to see something done with the liberator penetrator or the counter-sniper though.

I think a peak buff would be to make counter sniper medium pen, but that's just me

[pale hollow]

Yeah, counter sniper serves no real purpose right now, more pen would be nice... Maybe less damage to compensate

[raw folio]

Well the thing with it right now is it's supposed to be a "harder hitting diligence" with less capacity and a different scope.

But I don't really see the advantage of the added damage as it is rn

[viral shadow]

I remember high difficulty on Helldivers 1

[bleak patrol]

Be me
Forget to make sure the game is set to Friends Only
A random joins
Uses up all Reinforcements and does nothing to help
Leaves
Be forced to complete the mission without dying in 4 minutes

[pale hollow]

[viral shadow]

Good old guerilla warfare

[raw folio]

Also yeah, parts of the community is a little separated from the fact that diff 9 is supposed to be difficult.

[bleak patrol]

Also Railgun now needs 2 shots to disable a walker

[pale hollow]

On unsafe?

[viral shadow]

Highest difficulty is supposed to be difficult? Incomprehensible

[bleak patrol]

On safe

[viral shadow]

Bad game uninstalled

[raw folio]

Highest current difficulty

[bleak patrol]

It used to destroy them on safe

I'm better off using the AMR

I hate the AMR

[pale hollow]

As long as unsafe is one-hit, all is well

[bleak patrol]

Unsafe requires me to use 1st person to know when no to blow up

Unless I don't know about something

[pale hollow]

Just wing it

[bleak patrol]

[viral shadow]

Can't wait until they have to figure out how to make the newer ones then

[raw folio]

Just guess

[bleak patrol]

Imma go back to AC for now

[pale hollow]

trust me don't

[bleak patrol]

Bye bye Jump Pack

[raw folio]

We still got some enemies they can def add

[viral shadow]

Might just yoink the ones added in the last update for it I suppose

[raw folio]

plus bosses

[viral shadow]

Can't wait until the last 3 are added again

[pale hollow]

I love that Bile Titans are supposed to be mid sized bugs

[raw folio]

Remember. they're considered small on their home planet

[buoyant urchin]

I think using other the shoulder aim still exposes the meter on the side of the gun

[bleak patrol]

Dear God

[pale hollow]

Hive Lord when?

[bleak patrol]

Punisher now deals 405 damage

[raw folio]

Punish buff was beefy

[narrow trout]

how is everyone enjoying the patch so far?

[raw folio]

I think its fine. The community is losing their damn minds

[pale hollow]

For all non meta-sluts: good update

[viral shadow]

Dunno, haven't played the game in a week

[bleak patrol]

Quick question

Incendiary Breaker on bots

[pale hollow]

For meta-sluts: on suicide watch

[bleak patrol]

Should I try it?

[raw folio]

I actually have no idea

I just got so used to using the diligence for bots

[bleak patrol]

Imma take the ol' reliable for now

Liberator Pen my beloved

[narrow trout]

slugger my beloved

[bleak patrol]

I need to unlock Slugger first

[raw folio]

slugger is good, but I prefer the sight on the diligence myself

[bleak patrol]

I got so used to running around in Light armor

Medium feels so slow and tiring

[narrow trout]

i need them to add more armor to the superstore

i need more drip

[bleak patrol]

Heavy Medic Armor is all I want

[raw folio]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-gif-20130371

[pale hollow]

Heavy medic armour with jump pack and flame thrower would be pog

[buoyant urchin]

The new meta

[clear lintel]

@bleak patrol

Sorry

[buoyant urchin]

All that after wreaking havoc in a mech, firing its last round into the face of a stalker, jet packing up to toast a titan from his own back

[clear lintel]

I invited you by accident

[raw folio]

I would love a mission to take out the guns shooting down super destroyers in orbit though

That'd be neat

[narrow trout]

i want my super destroyer to blow up when i quit the game

[bleak patrol]

?

[sharp kindle]

You missed the

[bleak patrol]

Oh

I didn't receive any invites

[sharp kindle]

Insanities

[raw folio]

I didn't

[sharp kindle]

[raw folio]

I saw it

[bleak patrol]

How to write "skill issue"

[raw folio]

It's literal definition of skill issue

[sharp kindle]

Mfs want to play halo

[buoyant urchin]

Meanwhile souls players eatin this game for breakfast

[raw folio]

The railgun has wiggle room on me being amused by it because you need some form of AT for some enemies. However calling the shield backpack necessary is not.

You can run it if you want

[clear lintel]

Oh okay lmao

[raw folio]

Don't get me wrong

[sharp kindle]

Discord consensus seems to be that armor is
Once again broken

[buoyant urchin]

I like that the spear reloads with ammo packs now, but hope the targetting is worked on

[clear lintel]

I just did automatons d8

That was horrible

[raw folio]

Just don't say the word "necessary" for a defensive item

[clear lintel]

Not fun

[sharp kindle]

And all the fix did was nerf light armor

[raw folio]

Man...craaaaazy

[sharp kindle]

So yeah

[buoyant urchin]

I saw a video where a guy was buffed by the heavy padded armor a lot though

[sharp kindle]

All armors were medium armor rating of 100

[clear lintel]

I mean I just did automatons on difficulty 8 with medium armor and I get destroyed

[bleak patrol]

I feel like I can no longer outrun common enemies

[raw folio]

Oh well I just need to not get hit like usual

[clear lintel]

I'm not expecting to tank but I can barely survive

[sharp kindle]

[buoyant urchin]

This man getting the genuine experience of thinning out his family line, as was intended

[sharp kindle]

Autos are still the most unfun faction to play by grace of either no reliable stratagems or long cooldown
Or both

[bleak patrol]

Nah

[clear lintel]

Well

[bleak patrol]

I still prefer bots over bugs

[clear lintel]

What we just did was hell

[bleak patrol]

You're a helldiver

[buoyant urchin]

I take combinations, autocannon is nice as it has staying power and reloads with ammo packs, gas strike weakens drops a lot and is fast

[bleak patrol]

get used to it

[clear lintel]

I used eagle smokes to defend myself though

[obsidian flame]

[clear lintel]

Quite useful, I used them while my teammates were getting obliterated

[bleak patrol]

Finally a good change

[clear lintel]

And I did the objectives alone

That said, I was the only one that extracted and no reinforcements were left

[sharp kindle]

Pre patch lights could take 5 chaff his before dying

Now

[clear lintel]

But all objectives were completed

[sharp kindle]

4 hits before dying

[bleak patrol]

Good

Fuck em' light armors

[buoyant urchin]

Does anyone find the revolver useful?

[bleak patrol]

Yes

It's great

[sharp kindle]

And warriors have a chance random crit and 1 tap u in light armor

[buoyant urchin]

I love it but cant find its use

[clear lintel]

I haven't bought the steeled veterans

[bleak patrol]

One tap clueless idiots

[buoyant urchin]

Bro buy steeled veterans

[clear lintel]

I'm waiting for the new warbond

I can't spend money rn

And I farmed sc for the new warbond

Don't want to spend

[sharp kindle]

Prob best wait for the new pack

[buoyant urchin]

Yes it does that, and pierce i think, but reload is slow and its bad for panic as opposed to the uzi i find

[sharp kindle]

We don't know of it has good shit

[clear lintel]

Ya

If it has sickle it's an instant buy

😎

[bleak patrol]

Because revolver is for cool guys who don't panic

[buoyant urchin]

LOL point taken

[bleak patrol]

Revolver is

Super good

If paired with ballistic

[clear lintel]

It's going to be better once we have more secondaries

[sharp kindle]

For 1
It hits hard
Has no recoil compared to the smg and can 2 tap warriors on headshot

Bad
Low ammo
Comical reload

Fun side

[bleak patrol]

Revolver is not a bug weapon

[sharp kindle]

It does a cowboy twirl when you unholster it

[buoyant urchin]

Oh thats right

K im sold again

[bleak patrol]

Revolver is a bot weapon

[sharp kindle]

Would agree but bug headshots are easier

[bleak patrol]

Yes, but you need more firerate on bugs

[buoyant urchin]

Another question:
If funding allows for 20 reinforcements, why not send 20 helldivers at a time? Why only 4?

[bleak patrol]

We need to microwave them

[sharp kindle]

Hunters are the only chaff bugs which can catch up with you in medium

[bleak patrol]

We can only microwave 4 at a time

[buoyant urchin]

HAHAHAHAHA

ok im sold again

[sharp kindle]

Funniest change this patch

[clear lintel]

Thats going to be worthless

Prob

If the stagger is bad

[sharp kindle]

It's the explosive lib

They renamed it

[clear lintel]

Oh

Ohhhhhhh

[bleak patrol]

Will they rename the Explosive category to Concussive as well?

[sharp kindle]

[shy schooner]

The PLAS-1 Scorcher is the only "Explosive" primary in my heart

(I've killed myself several time while shooting a hunter)

[plucky steppe]

Jar-5 is good.

[clear lintel]

Yeah I think the armors aren't good lol

[sharp kindle]

wait till we get the plasma shotgun

[sharp kindle]

kinda yes and no

[plucky steppe]

nah

[sharp kindle]

lacks ammo

they either give it +2 mags or makes the mags slightly larger

[plucky steppe]

All guns now lack ammo

[shy schooner]

Aka, the "primary weapon team obliterator mk.2"

[sharp kindle]

[clear lintel]

Holy shit everything hurts a lot now

[bleak patrol]

I did it again

Also I got 2 "Disappointing Service" in a row

[raw folio]

So I am 2/3 on my current diff 9

It hurts

[bleak patrol]

I dun like the new rating system

[raw folio]

but 120 and 380 are straight baller now

[bleak patrol]

It insults me

[raw folio]

used them to wipe out some bot command bunkers

And to wipe out a mortar

[bleak patrol]

Also look at this stupid idiot

[raw folio]

Because how do you feel being in enemy artillery motherfuckers

[bitter elk]

Lol automatons landing, 85% chance to be within artillery range as soon as you land

And get into D-Day warzone from the getgo

[raw folio]

How it started:

How its going:

[bitter elk]

Tbh I feel like all automaton enemies are fair

Except devastators , both variants

[bleak patrol]

Both?

[bitter elk]

Both variant can go fuck themselves lol

[bleak patrol]

There are like, 3 of them

And all are fairly easy

[bitter elk]

Oh we don't count the normal one

KEK

Stubby lil pistol dude

[bleak patrol]

All 3 of them go down in one railgun shot to the waist or leg

Shield ones appear to require unsafe mode now tho

because, uh

[bitter elk]

I just hate how much aim stagger the damn one with the shield gives tbh sometimes

[bleak patrol]

shield

[bitter elk]

Like darn

What theygot , autocannon minigun?

[bleak patrol]

They all also go down in one Diligence or Jar headshot

Or Senator

Liberator Penetrator also turns them into another mob

Except the shield ones

[bitter elk]

I mean yeah obviously they ain't a problem in isolation, 1v1. I'm more talking when combined with everything else that happens lol

[bleak patrol]

Nah

[bitter elk]

Nyeh

[bleak patrol]

Depending on the variant, they are either low or medium priority for me

The rocket ones can be scary, but they usually stay far away

The shield ones aren't really a problem

The normal ones are just another mob

The highest priority is always the fucking outpost cannon

Then Hulks / Tanks

Rocket Devastators

Rocket Marauders

Shield Devastators

Then everything else

Oh, yeah

Walkers

They are above Rocket Devastators

I'm kind of sad that I can't just Safe mode them anymore

[clear lintel]

You know, 25 frames while being hit by so much isn't fun

[bleak patrol]

I feel ya

My current computer barely has 45 frames in the destroyer

But I am a madman who refuses to lower their settings too much

[bitter elk]

Not my frames going down by like 50% when playing on dusty planet

Gotta simulate all that dust

[bleak patrol]

I like how my frames drop to like 20-25 after completing a mission

And they stay like that until I switch locations

It's almost as if the game keeps the location you just played at loaded until you zoom (as in, move) somewhere else

[bitter elk]

At this point I just want mechs and vehicles to be in alr

[clear lintel]

I think they need to look into armor values

[bleak patrol]

Also, I think that's too much blast

[bitter elk]

The problem with armor ATM is that it can be inconsistent tbh

[clear lintel]

It's bad, in general

[bitter elk]

Like when a scavenger can somehow headshot you or something lol

ATM I basically just run the light arnor with extra padding

So it's basically pre armor working updat

Just no passive

[bleak patrol]

I don't think it's a fair trade

I just swapped to a medium armor with the same passive

The passive is more important to me than speed anyway

[obsidian flame]

[bleak patrol]

You'd assume that the console is safe

[bitter elk]

Nyeh, I'm just used to the speed increase I have

Especially nice for when I do bugs

[bleak patrol]

I'm used to +2 stims and +2s stim duration

Actually screw the +2 stims, the duration saved my ass more than once

[bitter elk]

Stims are more important of a consideration if I'm doing automatons, yeah

And even then I have both light and med variant anyhow

[bleak patrol]

I'd still swap to a light on bugs

The one I used pre-patch

Because armor is apparently worthless on bugs anyway

So I have speed and passive and I still just die

So nothing changed

[bitter elk]

Ain't worth tanking their attacks anyway cuz if the attacks hit U wrong still deletes 50% HP per hit so lol

Even with heavy and extra padding

A shame really

Considering how heavy worked in HD1

I fully hoped it would be the same here but nah, lol

[bleak patrol]

Maybe it will

I never played HD1 so I don't know how it worked there, but maybe it will

[bitter elk]

https://youtu.be/DmPElekhWrU

A pretty short video on them

[bleak patrol]

Sweet Liberty

I want it

As a certified Tank enjoyer

[bitter elk]

yeah

it almost works like HD1 for heavy enemies

except its inconsistent as hell

since apparently our head arent armored or something from what i heard off people

so if shit somehow hit our head it just ignores the entire armor rating system

for the smaller units, not so much

small calibre rounds doesnt glance, small bugs still a damn big threat (to an extent) etc.

[clear lintel]

Yeah nah armor is really bad rn

Will probably wait for the next warbond

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/804443879016759307/1215154839018020864/Que_quilombo.gif

[bitter elk]

I do wonder what they want to do with the extra salvo upgrade now the effective time for barrage are doubled

cuz atm it empty lol

[bitter elk]

lmao what

[twin perch]

So ao

[eager cliff]

not really, still unreliable

[bitter elk]

It's actually decent now

For bugs, that is

Automatons it's still ass as ever lol

Okay yeah flamethrower is the least hassle of ways to deal with chargers now for sure to be honest

Half a clip to the leg extremities and it dies quick, which is easily done

Slight problem only being that if you wanna use it the whole game you definitely need supply pack

but otherwise for a weapon that literally has no other mode of operation but spray till they die and can reload on the go, frankly it's now my go to for anti charger weaponry

[twin perch]

I like the beam

But flame is good this patch

Just uh

Setting yourself on fire

[earnest stag]

Sure that its not the Arc Thrower?

[twin perch]

Arc takes about 10+ shots

and has to be head taps

becausa damage spreading is a thing anyhow

but yeah flamethrower seems to be the ok way rn

angle is irrelevant, damage is consistent

[bitter elk]

I dunno tbh, I half expected it's just some modded in stuff people is doing these days or somethin

[bitter elk]

Reason one why I bring supply pack tbh lol, when I run out of stim healing myself from the flames

But I also learnt that you can just back dive when bugs get too close and still spray mid dive

So it's actually not too much of an issue too often

[bitter elk]

Yeah that's why it's now my preferred method, no need to worry about much positioning or timing, reloading included since u could run around while doin it

Just be aware of surrounding, spray leg till ded

Job done

[earnest stag]

Dont set yourself on fire

Thats what annoys me most

Spontaneous combastioun

Or whatever its spelled

[bitter elk]

I rather prepare for the worst scenario than assume I'd do my best everytime to be honest, cause I can never imagine not setting myself on fire pretty often with how much flame I'm outputting, especially considering the engaging range of a flamethrower

Though it's usually the hunters that's annoying

Other enemies only become a problem if they are swarming you from a wide angle so you have to turn around to cover bigger areas

Also

For the first time I got kicked mid game while playing with flamethrower

Not sure what I did wrong, maybe the host got pissy that I left fire patches all over and just didn't like that? Lol, cause I definitely didn't spray anyone directly

[earnest stag]

il stay with the railgun.

Unsafe mode is fun

[twin perch]

I just think at this point

It's not the guns

it's the Titans and Chargers

You never hear people bitch about Hulks or Tanks

but Titans and Chargers are like

number 1 fuck off

[earnest stag]

Tanks are what ? 2 shots

Hulks are one

Chargers are annoying and TItans .....

self speaking

[twin perch]

3 turret shots on overchage, 2 AT rockets, 2 nades at the back or 1 rocket at the back

hulks is the same, 4 body shots, 1 eye shot, 1 rocket eye, or 2 body rockets/1 back

they're also nearly not as mobile

Chagers are 2 leg shots, 3 headshots (with recoiless), Titans are 2 headshots and I don't know how many body shots...

[twin perch]

I tried a bot Erad 5

It's really like

Fucked now? like, I can't take eradication missions anymore

Also the laser doesn't work out very well when dealing with hulks on Erads.. they get too close too fast (Scorchers)

Oh crash on mission start

[uneven crescent]

How is the helldiving going?

[bitter elk]

Honestly tank is never an issue unless they are at a far distance and there is no cover to close the engagement range

Once you are within nade throwing distance, it's gg ez game over

two nade to the vent and it's dead

[twin perch]

I'm having an incredibly awful time

On Draupnir 5

[bitter elk]

tbh the only true threat of Hulk is the flamethrower variant

as that's the closest we get to a charger of the bots

[twin perch]

Yeah I ran a full mission the the laser beam

[bitter elk]

though only if allowed to close in to sew chaos

at range they too are a joke

[twin perch]

and even with a group it likes "moving" around too much with the 30% crouching recoil bonus

and by moving I mean the beam keeps "jumping"

[bitter elk]

i didnt use it yet tbh so idk how effective laser canon is compared to the current railgun now

[twin perch]

About 3s on eye

constant hold

Can current railgun safe shot the eye

[earnest stag]

Nobody said their an issue

[twin perch]

If the answer is yes, it's currently still better

[earnest stag]

I usualy nade them

[bitter elk]

yeah tank is funny enough the clown of the automatons lol

unless its like the quad MG one

or whatever laser cannon mg they usin

cuz that thing spin much faster

[twin perch]

Shield nerf is also not that bad

[bitter elk]

shield is like 6s addition to recharge

but made up with far quicker full recharge of shield HP once up

[twin perch]

But I'm like

Having a really bad time this morning

Trying to make the laser work

it takes too long to even de arm devastators

[bitter elk]

speaking of titans im curious how much flamethrower it'd take to bake them lol

baiting them to stand still is pretty easy

so if you're not under pressure i presume it wont be too hard to 1v1 them with flamethrower

[bitter elk]

laser still just kinda have the issue of that delay on initial firing tbh

flamethrower technically has it too but once you first spurted it out,

any subsequent trigger press is instant

wish laser was like that

But yeah flamethrower is now my number 1 go to, just so i can easily deal with chargers

fuck them lol

also anyone noticed at times the game just refuse to let you steer your pod lol

*its like, naw, get locked on *

[uneven crescent]

personally they need to add 40k armor to the game

[twin perch]

Ok current thoughts

you either play very slow

or you spam strats

Noo

I think they need to do a balance pass on enemies next

So they stop shooting without turning/facing a direction

And for chargers to be less of a "I am here to ruin your mood"

I'm also just not making many of the alternatives or new options work very well tbh

so I might just go back to unsafe railgun and shield "meta"

Since it's just flexible enough

[clear lintel]

Flamethrower is good but I feel like the new options don't work well in high difficulties

Sure,they do work, just not as good one would expect

[plain bough]

Anyone know what the 71mb update was for HD2?

[clear lintel]

Also armor is broken and chargers are broken too.

No clue

[twin perch]

Yeah

Laser is not good w the sway on hulks

Or devas

Ust takes too long

And lets you get easily blasted at mid range

[clear lintel]

Yeah, used the laser on difficulty 8 on Automatons and I got destroyed

Had to spam eagle smokes to have a chance

I don't think I'll touch until the new warbond arrives

Last night I just didn't have fun playing it

Not because of the railgun, since I'm primarily an EAT user, but the fact that you get overwhelmed by agile chargers and you die stupidly quickly

Like,heavy armor is completely useless xD

It barely protects you, guess it's called heavy because you can barely run with it

[plain bough]

the best armor is not getting hit in the first place

[clear lintel]

That only applies in difficulties below 6

Or 5

I'd say 5

[twin perch]

Just gonna run unsafe railgun

[twin perch]

Ran 2 full bot ops

It really is

They have to balance enemy firing angles

It's just a bit egregious to see them firing 70º shots without turning

XD

[clear lintel]

Yeah

The devs want us to use stratagems but they add 50% extra cooldown to them with a modifier 👍

[twin perch]

Cooldown wise, even without the 50%

[clear lintel]

Like last night was the first time I had no fun at all

[twin perch]

3 mins per some of them is a bit toolong

yeah this morning felt miserable to me

I actually went back to work

instead of playing another op

[clear lintel]

And I love helldivers, I have been playing Arrowhead games since Gauntlet

I'll guess I'll run railgun, rail cannon, rocket pods, and orbital laser

That or might use eagle airstrike instead of laser

[twin perch]

run Cluster

Cluster Railgun, Railcannon

Shieldpack if you can fit it

[clear lintel]

Shield is worth but tbh with how it is rn I would run something else

[twin perch]

I think they have to revert eradication though

keep the kill amount

[clear lintel]

Yeah definitely

[twin perch]

but like not like this

[clear lintel]

I did eradication level 8

Of bots

And... Yeah no

[twin perch]

I did a 5 solo

[clear lintel]

The laser killed 60 bots bro

[twin perch]

and like 15s I had a hulk on me

[clear lintel]

And I saw

[twin perch]

I couldn't even hide on top of one of the hill

[clear lintel]

9 ships arriving

At the first second

[twin perch]

they kept sending suicide jetpacks

[clear lintel]

Several hulks

How the fuck do you deal with that quickly without getting rid of your stratagems

This is not the first game

[twin perch]

I think they have to reconsider stratagems in endgame

that or they've been testing with like

"dev build iwth everythiung"

which is like stupid

because i'm sure this is trivial w mechs with autocanons

because you can just deal with 6 hulks easy

(since you basically have 4 AC's)

A challenging game can be fun

a frustrating game is a mistake

Currently Helldivers 2 went from "challenging (dealing w enemy groups on high diff) to frustrating due being unable to deal with enemy groups in 9

[clear lintel]

X
Yeah I guess it's still early for the game

This is the first big balance patch too

But like I said, the problem is dealing with so many chargers at once with the options we have

Running away from them is an option, because you shouldn't fight every single enemy, but they catch up to you and not only that, they are extremely agile

Like come on man a unit like that shouldn't turn that quickly and precise

[twin perch]

I think this is like a triple issue

One: pre patch the railgun was dealing w armor really well and being flexible

so the "charger" issues was more like "just bring more railguns"

after patch, now it's very notable how anal the charger spam is and how... forza horizon 5 they behave move and feel

[clear lintel]

Gran Turismo: Charger Edition

[twin perch]

If these are supposed to be "mid/high" tier enemies they shouldn't spam 8 of them per breach

put a "per player" cap or something

that or stop fucking spawning patrols 70 meters behind walking at you

Hunter patrols are notoriously guilty of this

But yeah either downgrade charger armor somwhere

make their ass actually soft point

or idk

There's many ways to handle it without touching weapon balance

[tawny herald]

And ?

[light nymph]

#🤖🐛🦑helldivers message

[twin perch]

You know, I'm not going to care

I'm just going to with my good friend @clear lintel

[clear lintel]

[twin perch]

I'll run the sweaty build, farm a lil and try not too hard and just chill

back to suffering at work

[clear lintel]

Good luck

I have enough super credits for the next warbond, so I'll chill out until the new one arrives

[twin perch]

Same, Warbonds, SC's, Samples

Might just play Terraria or try Calamity again

You know, Masochism

[clear lintel]

Bryh

[tawny herald]

I mean, its actually balanced now imo, cant just run around like an idiot with the old shield recharge

[plain bough]

Just need more samples on my end, otherwise just need to stock up a little on medals for the 14th

[twin perch]

Hey it's better than fishing 100 days now

[clear lintel]

I gotta finish Calamity, but with the mod that adds another difficulty

Can't remember the name now

[twin perch]

Infernum

I've done that in master mode one time and I really wouldn't want to do it again

[clear lintel]

It's more balanced but not completely. As I said before, the issue are the enemies and how fragile you are atm

[twin perch]

Including every super boss mod

[clear lintel]

Master mode isn't recommended for infernum bro

[twin perch]

Heavy armor would be great if it wouldn't make you flinch

[twin perch]

You see, I'm a special kind of sufferer

[clear lintel]

Understandable

[twin perch]

It's already done so I'm not doing it again

I do think Infernum is not a good difficulty

XD

I also have beaten every Fargo, Stars above and thorium

in Master

[clear lintel]

That's nice